 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 83 should be episode 85 So before we get into anything I Do need to apologize and I'm not gonna apologize to our YouTube viewers because All of you folks out there this content's all free for you So you just get it when you get it and be happy with it But I do need to apologize deeply to our patrons, especially all the ones that are of the five dollars and up variety Because you guys the one dollars help as well, but the ones that pay five dollars I'm specifically opinion for podcast perks giving the podcast early Getting things like getting access to us live streaming while we record the podcast and then obviously a chance to be on the podcast and All of this it goes to also support one of the stretch goals the very first stretch goal We ever hit and that was the fact that we would do a podcast every week We've been I would say for the most part pretty good about it never. Yeah But there has been a hitch here and there where we've had to miss a week. I Was sick Eric was out of town. It just didn't come together. I guess it lined up. They didn't show up This time around it's a little interesting I already knew a couple weeks back that one wasn't gonna happen for various reasons that It's not really up to me to get into it. It just didn't happen Last week I can take some blame and not some blame and I don't it's all I canceled it technically I'll take most to blame. I fell asleep. Yeah, and I noted that in the on the discord to our patrons too Oh Eric fell asleep, you know, I don't know if we're gonna do the podcast this week And it wasn't like we couldn't we could have attempted to squeeze it in the following day But the timing for me it wasn't gonna work out because those don't know the reason we do our recordings on podcast so late on a Thursday night It's one Thursday night just happens to be one of the nights. We're both free and two It also happens to be after my kids are in bed It's really hard for me to do it during the day. My fiancee often works till 10 p.m. At night Central standard time. So it's it's a little rough trying to find a time period to fit it in So like when he's like, oh, I can come right after work and do it That sounds great until the fact that I sold my kids and put another bed It's just I our kids aren't part of this podcast. So yeah, that's just the way it is So, yeah, I just want to really really apologize. I need to make it up to you guys in some way I don't know what it is. I don't know what that means. We'll throw a bonus episode in next month You know it maybe hit five podcasts next month instead of four I don't know. We'll figure it out. Maybe there'll be a special holiday special for Halloween next week I who knows I Don't know because I haven't made any plans for it yet. What I can tell you though is one thing I do want to hit on at least Soon I don't want to promise an episode. I want to start getting extra guests And I've talked about this before I failed to deliver on on this promise a few times just because I just get too busy But one thing I'm going to start doing is at the end of recording a podcast Pretty much before I go to bed or anything else unless it happens to be a podcast I was running super super late until like 1 a.m. Which has happened. We've done that before I'm basically going to be trying to line up guests immediately So I'm gonna I'm gonna send out contacts to people. I think would be good for the next episode Like that same night that we're recording this one for the next one that way It's the onus is on the people I contacted to contact me back about interest if it doesn't happen Then it'll just be us to but uh, yeah, I would like to get more on it actually gets more complicated the more people we have on We have the right mixer and all the right equipment to make it work But it's still like one of those it gets finicky every time. I don't know why Some of it's because we obviously don't know what equipment they're using Some of it's just the fact that we're all speaking over the internet that creates its own latency and its own issues Sometimes feedback loops that are just crazy to deal with but you know, sometimes the issue is just entirely on my end Which is what it usually is Since the last time we had a guest on I have a new mixer now Yeah, because find out the mixer is broken and it's been broken But we didn't know how broken it was because it was just us. We had a guest on in a while Yeah, suddenly we have a patron on and it's like oh, this is really really bad and it's not his end It's ours. Yeah. Yeah That sucks So that's good. That's not that's no longer an issue as far as I'm aware Technically I've not yet plugged headphones into this new board So could plug him in and find out that board's broken again, so it's possible But we won't know till we have a guest again. Oh boy. I thought about testing it now, but I was like, yeah, I don't need it now Yeah, so Whatever you guys are here for the Nintendo Prime podcast first one in a while. You got some killer topics for you guys Including a surprise topic at the end that just popped up as I was Finalizing everything for this episode for the first thing we have to talk about Is the game that we were probably close to being most hyped for I'm coming already three There's a few of them for me three Yeah, yeah, like besides this game that we're about to talk about what other games were you hyped for coming already three that we you Actually enhance on with nangela nangela. That's like the only other one. Yeah to me Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah for sure for sure was nangela Pokemon for the little bit that we got to play was the problem is I didn't get to play long enough to really determine Well, yeah, and the guy won't like shut up. Yeah trying to tell like no just let me play Yeah, well, I know I have like five minutes To be out of the menus Yeah, that was when he finally let me play the first thing I did was try to go to the menus I mean, maybe that's why they don't just let you play. Yeah, um, obviously anyways Starling battle for Atlas. I Own it. I own the digital copy. I know You're part of the problem on my physical games are gonna go away one day I'm sorry the physical copy bare minimum 75 dollars for the starter edition You get less ships less weapons less characters It's literally the worst deal out of anything I've ever seen it's probably my biggest criticism of the game is how they're how they're offering the game to to people it pricing wise and it's As bad as I think it is in the United States. It's worse elsewhere in the UK It's like 92 pounds or something. Holy that's both for the digital or the physical starter edition So they're the same price which fixes one issue I have with the $60 digital versus the $75 physical but it fixes it in the wrong direction it increases the price and Over there a brand new game coming out is usually about half that price Hmm, so it's charging you double the price of a normal triple-a new release in the UK For this game for the digital version like Physically you can try to argue. There's a physical item in there I don't think that means the game is worth twice as much. That's like charging 120 over here. It's crazy But this pricing strategy being done by Ubisoft just across the board I think the UK and Australia probably the worst cases. I'll show you it's always really bad So it's it's hard for me to ever look at the Australian situation to be like, oh That's Australia. That's terrible. That's terrible in the companies, but in the UK. I can't really say that that is a Government issue. That's an Ubisoft issue wanting to charge you more and I it's obviously not something I think is a good deal for consumers now, it's interesting because I've always If you guys don't know I'm like the master of the controversial opinions What I don't know how I have any subscriber base when I say things like I'm about to say Oh, I think triple-a video games shouldn't be $60 anymore There's two ways to go about it. Does your triple-a video game run on day one micro transactions DLC and just day one DLC and Loot boxes then it should be at least half the price. If not a free game like a fortnight. Fine. Have your micro transactions It's free to play. Yeah If you're not gonna have any of that content, right, you're not gonna have the micro transactions You're not gonna have The day one DLC although Starling kind of has that and you're not gonna have any of that kind of stuff Then the game should be more than $60 the logic I Hate using this logic, but it's the truth. It's inflation. Mm-hmm when I was a kid I paid $1.25 for gas today. I pay three. Yeah, right Like that $1.25 a gallon to $3 a gallon everything else in my life has become more expensive except video games Like when people talk about video games is such an expensive medium. I'm like 60 bucks today It's like a tank of gas. Yeah when I was a kid that's 60 bucks would have been like five things a gas so It's an interesting point that we're at today We're like the one entertainment medium that went from games being made by 10 people for it to be a triple-a game to now having hundreds of employees and millions and millions of hundreds of millions of dollars invested in development are Still costing the same and people wonder why micro transactions and loot boxes became a thing now I know Jim Sterling's point. He brought up when he made a video on this recently when he said No, some of these games are making plenty of money without the micro transactions. Yeah, that's this is true Games that call a duty names like Assassin's Creed. They don't need this stuff. They're doing it because agreed but there are some games that do need this stuff to survive and I That this is what what happens instead of a game price is increasing they said screw it we can make more money by micro transaction and Loopboxing you then we can if we just increase the price of the game plus the company that increases the increases the price of the game What's everyone going to be saying? How dare you? Mm-hmm. How do you think your game is worth $80 and all the others are 60? You know how hard it is to increase the price of that stuff This happened actually with blu-rays and DVDs for a lot of them or DVDs were 20 blu-rays of 30 well now the base blu-ray is 20 the one with the extra scenes on cut is 30 and People hated it. They hated it. They hated it But they just stuck with it as everything was going streaming and now that price is just normal Like you want a day one uncut extra scene, you know, blu-ray or do you want a 4k blu-ray at that? It's gonna be 30 bucks. You just know what's gonna be 30 if you want a day one And people just accepted it because they refuse to change their prices strategies because Everything was going to streaming like why would we worry what the few people that buy these are saying? Like let's just keep it at these prices. They're gonna have to accept it happen with gas happen with everything milk Is not twice as much as it was when I was younger like everything like it sucks But you know what if it just stays there and you want to keep enjoying the medium Yeah, the difference with DVDs blu-rays all the stuff is it happened across the board Whereas like one company does it doesn't mean the rest of the company's gonna do this Especially when they're making all that loop box and microtransaction. Oh, yeah So why does this all matter? Not only because Starlink has this varying price points country to contributing digital and physical But because Starlink's number one issue is exactly those price points I Bought the $60 version because it was the best deal There's technically in a digital deluxe version as well because I mean it's Ubisoft so of course is the digital deluxe version and the digital deluxe version gives me like One extra ship three extra pilots and four extra weapons and guess what that's still not everything I would have to spend an additional Why I think it was $70 so 150 bucks to own all of the content that's in the game now Wait what now Yeah, now to be clear You don't need this content. Okay, it is optional content for a reason It is not needed you can get through the entire game with one pilot one ship one set of weapons You can play the entire game that way, but the game's not built that way. It's built for you to have multiple pilots Well, you can get by one pilot, but multiple ships multiple parts interchangeable weapons The enemies are designed differently for different weapons The puzzles are designed differently for different weapons. So like there is Yes, there's puzzle elements in the game. There is a lot of Interesting stuff in this regard. So why did I go with the $60 version? Well, one the $60 version was the best bang for the buck You didn't get enough extra in the $80 version for me to justify it and I just told you I'm someone that thinks games should be more expensive but this is a case where I don't know about this game because I I've talked openly on live streams in the past breath of the wild What's up? What's the breath of the wild worth to me in hindsight now? I'm like I paid 60, you know, what we paid 100 because we have the masters. Yeah, but let's just say base game What what in hindsight what value does that game have to my life in? hindsight I probably 100 200 bucks. I might have paid for that one single experience of how much I've spent I mean, it's just like for you like Super Mario 64 like what what? I mean I'd have paid 104 dollars every day. Yeah, the game pricing wasn't standardized them But like that game and how much that game means to you like what would have you paid in hindsight? Yeah for that experience probably significantly more and this is where like the pricing of games and even the pricing of what Ubisoft is doing with Starlink There's a lot of personal subjective value to there So like to you if you want all the physical stuff, right? You're buying all the physical parts and ships It's $240 USD to buy everything But you're getting all the physical toys with it good Lord. So yeah. Yeah, that's a little bit better Like I mean it's a little bit more understandable. It makes me scoff, but then I'm like, but just like a mebo You're getting physical. It's understandable more understandable. I should say but that's always been the issue with toys to life Yeah, the issue with toys life has always been the massive monetary investment to have everything. Yes So that's why most toys the life games. No one actually has everything And you just buy the characters you want or the things you want and you live with it And and Starlink's that way So I don't want to chastise the pricing of the physical version too much in so much that it's just following with all toys The life games have done. However, I will say one thing the fact there's no like the toys the life stuffs optional, right? This isn't like Disney Infinity where you had to have the character right right the toys the life stuff in this game Optional it's an optional toys to life game. That's why there's a $60 digital version. Mm-hmm. Why is there not a $60 physical version? Standalone physical version that gives you the same in-game content as it is the digital one Why why doesn't it exist? Heck? Why does the starter kit for $75 not include all the same digital stuff? Is it because you think people won't buy the physical stuff fine then include the physical stuff in with the starter kit That's included and they're not going to because each ship is like 25 bucks a month like they're not going to but it's It's baffling to me the price disparity Mm-hmm, and a lot of people like having physical copies of games now There's a there's a second criticism of the physical copy is that only half the games on the cart So you have to download six gigs This is a topic. I'm not we're not covering this week And I'm not 100% blaming Ubisoft We talked about game cart sizes in the past and cart pricing and stuff like that new information has been coming out It's apparently even worse than than the worst case scenarios. We thought oh fantastic There's literally third parties that are refusing to release games on switch because of how much the cards cost So if you guys don't think those cards are a big deal Nintendo's got to do something They've really got to do something but I'm gonna make a separate video on this and maybe there'll be a future podcast topic as more information comes out but So I'm trying to forgive them since I have this additional information, but I'm the consumer and it still sucks Yeah, like you couldn't use a 16 gig cart and put it all on there. Of course they could have but they didn't yeah Expensive they don't know how much my copies are gonna sell But you know the counter argument I have for them is yeah, but you're charging 75 to get it Yeah, but then you're also getting a physical toy. So then I'm like, well fine and charge 80 charge 90 Yeah, charge what you're charging the UK people 92 fine It sucks, but you're getting the whole game on the physical price to get the full game on the physical cart And you also get the physical items. I think enough people still would have bought that version of the game Yeah, just if I had existing I think it's still what a but Whatever so that's all that I mean one of your thoughts on this in general like all this price This is what sucks Because I'm gonna tell you something right now Starlings everything I thought it would be and then some and This is why we're spending so much time talking about because this is what's gonna prevent people from Yeah, well, I know my friend Chris. He was like, I'm not getting started like Because of the toys. I'm like you do realize they're all optional, right? Everything is optional. He goes. Oh So they can't remember exactly what else and was he ended up buying me 80 digital locks. Oh, you went to the locks. Yeah, and I could argue with someone does that the game right for based on what I played I would you 240 Dollars for the physical I mean the game is worth more than a hundred bucks to me already, but Yeah, it I Understand the concepts behind it If it wasn't toys to life, this won't be a thing, right? You would just have the standard version that comes with the standard content and a digital deluxe version that probably has everything else mm-hmm And I think the reason the digital deluxe version does not have everything is Because they think it would be unfair to the toys to life people that have to spend so much money Yeah to get all that stuff. Yeah, and that's it and by the way if you own the physical version you can still buy these items digitally It's not you can't get them digitally instead. Yeah, and they are cheaper digitally, but not by a whole lot I think they're like the prices I cut in half like if you want if you want to pilot ship and weapon combo I think it's like 12 something instead of 25 so and that I mean That's the thing like if the toys to life thing just didn't exist Mm-hmm. I don't think these prices would be this insane No, they'd probably still do it because they're ruby soft. Yeah, but it would be much more It would be we'd be talking about a whole different story, but it would be more reasonable Rising at least like this is like not only bad pricing. It's just It's a turnoff for a lot of people and especially anyone who wants a physical copy knowing they had to spend 75 and Knowing they get like a nerfed game because they bought the physical copy Not just because they have to download half of it But also because you don't get as much content as you do if you would have just bought it digitally for 60 Great. It is especially heck digital deluxe for 80 spend five dollars more You get way the hell more content than you get for 75. Mm-hmm, and I'm always conflicted Yeah, because behind all this bullcrap is A fantastic game. Oh, I know right this game guys. I I talked about how I hit we both talked about how It gave us that feeling like Breath of the Wild in 2016 83. Mm-hmm like you play it and you just know it's a special Mm-hmm. Oh, definitely just Unlike anything you've experienced before people will be comparing it to the Star Fox and no man's. I'm sorry Star Fox and no man's sky Can't hold a candle to this game. Yeah, this game is They need to go crashing into planets called good There are some things about it, you know, it's not perfect There's a there's a lot of repetitive stuff in it and I understand repetitive things exist in every game But I mean, yeah, not enough, you know, I don't get there's not enough enemy variants I'd argue a lot of the side quests are exactly the same I mean, yeah, I get that a lot of quests like an MMORPG is an example or a lot of fetch quests But they try to vary up the fetch quest Yeah, go to the spot mind this mineral go to the spot mind this mineral go to the spot Hack this device, which means you just have to kill some enemies and they have a hack this device It does need more variance, but this is why like my impression video on it. I said, oh, it's It's a great game. Don't worry. It has a perfect foundation for an amazing IP Yeah, my number one concern is because of this pricing strategy Not enough people get out there. We're never gonna get another one. Yeah. Well, don't worry This is all that stuff that you're asking for we'll come out in the next DLC pack They haven't announced DLC for anyone surprise me I think it has to sell enough. I think the reason it's got so enough copies before they worry about DLC Yeah, it's a new IP. So usually Ubisoft with their new IPs through their credit They're a bit safer with the DLC practices. The problem is they from the very beginning so strongest a conflicting game because I Want to get mad at the pricing strategy with toys of life, but the game was toys of life from day one It started out. Yeah, the developer said it was always a toys of life game It was something tacked on later. Yeah, so it was built around this concept of toys of life So it's hard for me to get mad about it because we wouldn't have the game we have today Possibly without that that that a whole idea of toys of life but At the same point in time and the funny thing is they were actually targeting this game to kids It was supposed to be targeted between the age group of 8 and 12 huh and You could tell a little bit in the story elements that they're not as deep as they probably could be for some adults Specifically because just like with Star Fox like kids are gonna play it And so they wanted you know, at least the target audience is kids I don't know how many kids are actually playing it. I don't know too many kids that were asking for Starlink. Yeah, right, but It's it's just one of those games where It's an end yeah, it feels like a Nintendo made open-world space game And you know Nintendo makes it makes you know their games for everyone my breath of the wild sure it should can be played my kids Why not? Yeah, definitely. I mean, how does this stuff bug you or does it not? Yeah, I Don't know it I get both sides of it. I understand that yes, of course the the actual toys part of it It's gonna cost more because you physically physical right? I mean, hopefully I mean they seem to fairly durable I don't think it's like it's a they made it with plastic that kids can play with. Yeah, so it yeah stuff might snap off eventually But yeah for the most part of it as long as they're sitting there going Like you're not getting like high quality Not even like amiibo style because the amiibos aren't meant to be moved, right? They're stationary. Yeah, most of them Yeah, guardian amiibo side. Yeah, yeah so Then like I would argue yeah amiibos are really durable, but you don't have to move them for things You have to move and always put your hands on the right. I think they're durable enough for that, right, right? But and so I mean I understand the whole price differential in that part of it It I just don't know if there's a really good way to actually go about this It the pricing I Because you don't want to make people who go toys to life to feel That they're getting jipped right because there's nobody's gonna buy them by the toys really You don't want to make it strictly toys to life because then you're restricting your sales because people will just ignore it because it's Toys to life. Yeah, so like it's a really bad spot to be it. This is why toys to life games have gone away Right away, right? It's too expensive for people to really get into and There's been some good like Disney Infinity was not a bad toys to life. Yeah, unfortunately. It's just so damn expensive to get Oh, yeah, even when they started giving the game away for free figures weren't free. Yeah, and there was hundreds of them. Yeah, definitely it I Just don't know the fix for this. I I mean, I could tell you the fix for it Don't make it a toys to life game. No, yeah, you can't do anything about that now But I hope it sells well enough that they make a sequel that sure maybe it's backwards compatible with the toys But otherwise isn't adding new toys to the mix. It's its own standalone game Yeah, a sequel, but you know It's not built around toys to life because my frustration here is that Starling is so good So many people are gonna miss out on it. Yeah No, I get I mean more people are gonna play it because Star Fox is in it than they were before because people really want Star Fox game and a Lot of Nintendo based reviews are coming. I'll be in like, oh my gosh This is like the perfect Star Fox game and I'm like, it's not am I impression No, like it's not a Star Fox game Star Fox is in the game You can play a Star Fox and fly in the R&B entire game And that might make you feel like it's a Star Fox game And if you want to pretend in your imagination, it's a Star Fox game Hey, but remember this is Starling. It plays nothing like Star Fox games There are aspects of it that feel the Star Fox. Yeah when you get you come upon bandits out in outer space and You're in dogfights like that reminds you of the open areas and super in the 64 version where you get to the end and you try to take all this tower and then there's like the enemies flying around That reminds me of Star Fox a little bit, but then it doesn't because the area doesn't just end There's not like an end moment makes you flip around you can just keep going and ignore that are even there Hey, but I'm gonna do that in Star Fox. Yeah, you're not even Star Fox zero when he had some of the open space battles So it's not a it's not a Star Fox game You could I can understand what people think because Fox is in it on the that's another thing too I never considered this because I was never even looking at this for Xbox and PlayStation They pay the same prices but get less content because Star Fox content sound in their game So that's like there yeah, they're even getting like double screwed because yeah, they've been advertising this game with Star Fox the whole time All the press copies they sent out to reviewers were the Star Fox version Yeah, switch, but yet here you are in Xbox a PlayStation with this brand new game But you probably know nothing about because it feels like they've just been targeting Nintendo fans ever since the Star Fox Collaboration yeah, kind of and it's like I mean could on Nintendo The only thing I could think of that might be the saving grace here is if the switch version is just Significantly more popular than anything else that this could end up becoming the pseudo Nintendo IP movie forward Yeah, where Ubisoft and Nintendo's partner up Nintendo pony's up to make a sequel and they say no more toys the life stuff Yeah, or no knowing knowing knowing that partnership guys. It's gonna. It's gonna be more toys to life It's gonna implement amiibos and oh, of course pilots and of course You're gonna end up with this Ship three times the size Miibo now they can all be pilots in the game So how does Mario fit that all because he's been an outer space before you know here cuz Mario galaxy Don't worry the guardians that can fly the ship to get the garden Can you just can you just be his own ship just floating through outer space like Aliens in breath of the wild at one point. So I guess maybe a guardian Why not try to make all the look there's aliens in majority mask. Yeah There's there's a connection there's always a connection. I'm waiting for Splatoon's connection. Yeah, it's gonna happen Yeah, it's gonna happen. There'll be some action. Yeah. Oh, there you go. They're in Smash Bros Everybody's in Smash Bros. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah I don't want this to happen I'd be thinking this sounds like the greatest game. Oh, yeah. No, no not quite I mean, could you imagine that as a toys to life though? Could you imagine that the ships would be like this big? I mean Have to give Ubisoft a lot of credit Because they did it with Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom battle They made a fantastic original game with Mario characters in it This game wasn't even originally built around Star Fox, but somehow they got Star Fox tacked into the game That doesn't feel like it's tacked in yeah It feels natural the story and how it gets in there and it just seems believable because you're out in the universe Where there's all these aliens and races like how they did it makes me feel like you could almost take this Universe and have them running the people from Star Wars. Well, yeah, just yeah, it's so cool How they did it and how they made it feel natural, but Well, of course you do realize how much I see him. You do realize how they get Lincoln here, right? What's it Starlink? Oh So link has to go to the stars Geez breath of the wild to yeah, yep Starlink is Starlink to Oh Hey, we did compare the rest of the loud we did we did they are just Finally get to find out what planet turbine is on. Yeah, I don't even know what planet Hyrule is on. Is it even on a planet? I don't know It's It's just a fascinating thing to me It's not a it's just Hyrule it's its own planet and it's got the different Hyrule's all over the planet Planet all the various versions of it So many death mountains all It doesn't need a son. Yeah, right? It's got enough. It's got its own son Oh Lord guys, we're diving too far down this rabbit hole. I Just yeah Don't think you have Starlink yet. No, I am planning on it has your friend. I need to get a bigger I need to get it started playing it. I don't know yet. Um, he was just picking up a bigger Memory card. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so and then I'll probably need to do that too. Yeah I know I'm I think I'm at 256 and I think I need a 400. Yeah, and you know what? I think you just went the 128. I should I should have hit you a guy. I should have hit you up Couple weeks back. I actually did a video on it and sold a whole ton of them There was a there was a 24-hour sale on Amazon for SanDisk memory cards and like you can get the 400 one for a hundred now Which is oh geez ever been. Yeah, you can get like it was like the 256 you can get like 25 bucks. Oh, Jesus Yeah, and I never even crossed my mind to be like, hey Eric if you're looking for yeah, switch card Yeah, your friends. Yeah now on Amazon. Yeah. Yeah, I made a video about it and watch my content. Yeah Yeah, I had affiliate links in there and everything. Holy we actually sold a ton of them Did you put on the website? That's what sucks. They never hit our 60,000 plus Facebook group that might have actually bought so yeah, but Anyways, like if that flash that happens again, we do a black Friday so coming up So now it's kind of like it's probably the only I don't even know black Friday sales are gonna get out So we'll have to wait and see Because I need a new one now. I can't afford it. And that's the thing the one I needs the hundred dollar one I didn't have the hundred dollars that Of course mom Well, maybe could I borrow back and pay you back five dollars a month? Promise you'll eventually get paid off in a few years More than a year That would be a very long-term loan. Yeah, we're five dollars per month Anyways, I think It it's so hard like I'll tell you my impressions video It's so hard for me to even talk about the game in the moment right now Not just because you haven't played it yet. So I don't have a fellow person to talk to about it besides your e3 experience, right? but Guys start like it's so good It I played a whole what 16 minutes of it. Yeah, they're 16 minutes of it. Yeah, that was Amazing it is I Sung the praises a lot to path traveler earlier this year being one of the best games I played this year I think Starlink by the time I'm done with it Might be even better than autopathetic and I know it's not a fair comparison. There are different types of games Yeah, just like the breath of the wild comparison. It's not fair But all that's the only time I remember having that feeling when I first started a video game was the rest of the while I felt that way with Super Mario 64 I felt that way with golden eye like that feeling when you initially pick up a game and Instantly, you know, this is different than anything you've played before and Wow, there might be other games like it and similar that one game that that time that you picked up that controller You're just like man. This is magical. It's that Disney feeling No, really it's a Disney feeling when you go to Disney World for the first time in your life If you've ever watched Disney movies and you walk into the magical genome and you're like It's real It's not yeah, it's all commercial but but like it doesn't matter. It's still just a lot. There's no it Oh, look, there's no it. Yeah. Oh, look, there's no way And that's the way it is with the games Like everything in the Magic Kingdom, it's all fake. Yeah, so is everything in the games Hey, it still feels magical, right? And Starlink is just a special game that Unfortunately is mired in this stuff that I think I hope I'm wrong But I think it's going to harm the sales I think we don't get another one. I Want to be wrong and I know plenty of people who have picked up the game But I know plenty of people who aren't picking up the game because of the how they're selling it And I'm not gonna tell you that Well, the game's so good. You should just pick it up. Anyways, so if you're principled and How they are charging this like I've told people in the past that if a game is micro transactions and loot boxes But what I get for my $60 is still worth it to me. I'm still gonna buy the game. Yeah Give you a maddened as an example, right? How many times I bought that but Madden ultimate teams been in there would riddle with micro transactions Yeah, I don't use it. I don't use it. I don't really like ultimate team Yeah, it doesn't matter to me everything else I got for the 60 was worth it And so I understand there's people who have principles and they just won't buy it on principle But I view it as and this is what I say even for Starlink This is my only argument for you to buy it if you're if you didn't experience like I like if you experienced it Or D3 you probably wouldn't care what it would cost. You would have picked it up But for those that haven't even played it I'll just say this my only argument to ever buy a game that you're iffy on pricing for is You only live once Yolo More money will always come into your life as long as you're working or something, right? The paycheck you're getting out is likely not the last paycheck You're ever gonna get and if it is it's probably because you died and that sucks And I hope you didn't die and hope everything is going well with your family but you only live once and I hate the Yolo lifestyle. I really do but the last thing I Tell my friends you want to do is have everyone around you tell you all awesome something is but you because of your principles Refuse to experience it when those principles are just all it costs a little bit of money Imagine if because of the cost of that brewery playoff game. I told you we're not going. Yeah, I'm sorry It was expensive and worth every damn penny of it. Yeah that experience like yeah I would like to get a cheaper everyone would like to get a cheaper. Yeah Yeah, please what would I pay for a world series ticket? That was the NLDS come on Yeah, right by the time you guys hear this podcast will know if the brewers I heard in the world series or not now looking good at the time of recording but I Don't know That's just home. Yeah, what are the five sir form this year, too? Yeah, well the thing is I think I'm Like 99% sure they're gonna be in the playoffs So I'm like if I'm gonna go and I'm only gonna go once because it's three hours away to be playoff game Yeah, Michael multiple. Yeah, if they're if they make it to the NBA finals. I mean, I'm there Oh, yeah, I don't know how they're gonna get past Boston But if they do, you know who knows we took him to seven last year I mean it was no Gordon Hayward. No Kyrie Irvin, but yeah, so take him to seven. Yeah, and they got better We should do better to do should should be I don't know game one. We won. We're undefeated. Yeah at the time of recording. Yeah, I Don't even know who we played. See I've been so Having been paying attention to the box schedule. I literally I literally just looked at it today There's a box fan site that I go to brew hoop. I'm in refusing to go. Here's the thing This is the first October for me at this point That like the Packers the Brewers and the Bucks are all relevant at the same time No, I could 2011 the Bucks weren't relevant. So when we bruise from the playoffs, I was like, okay Well, as long as the brewers aren't playing during a packer game, which they usually aren't an issue Yeah, but like the Bucks are always playing at the time of the baseball games. Yeah, we're just usually not here, right? So like yeah, it's conflicting for me. I can't I'm in sports overload I literally cannot absorb this much sports knowledge at once. Yeah They should have been but they do that Even if they win their their side of end of winning the big 10 doesn't matter. They are too lost No, I know I know though. They'll get a nice peach bowl or something and yeah Oh man, look at all the games they wanted to roll now Yeah Badgers I'm tired of your crap. Yeah, I think if there's one team, I'm gonna bandwagon right now It's gonna be a Wisconsin Badgers football team. Yeah prove to me why I should be watching you. I'm done I'm done. Yeah, I've had it. I'm so tired of getting my hopes up and then just getting crushed Yeah, see at least with the Badgers NCAA teams. I usually don't pay they play so many games I don't really pay attention until I know they're good I'm not saying I bandwagon it, but there's just it's really hard to catch their game sometimes and you talk about school Yeah, and and they usually make the NCAA tournament. So I know there's gonna be a bunch of games there So I I'll get on that and and it happens that the Badgers actually went to the finals semi recently Um It's a bad memory because they didn't win but that's just I think we're used to that hole is done A few things but like knowing us when this podcast airs brewers will hit game seven And lost and I'm gonna be crushed. Yeah, buddy. Anyways, I think we can probably try to swing it back on topics here Are you sure? I don't know. What is our next topic? I don't know I don't know. It's right in front of you. It is. I literally put it in the wrong You have more stuff on your paper than I do. It is You're more informed right now Uh topic wait wait wait you're more this topic you even researched You're more informed than I am Kind of sort of let's go. Let's go. What do you get you? No, uh 2019 switch game lineup Awesome. So we are just gonna take a brief look. We're not we're not gonna Um spend a lot of time on this topic But I want to talk about games that are coming up here in 2019 Uh, just because we are in October. We're getting towards the end of the year It's not really I don't think there's maybe any more new announcements. We kind of know what's happening this year So I think it's it's it's good before the holiday hype hits before the pokemon You know, let's go lands and all the stuff that we look Nice You can keep that in martin For our audio listeners my piazza just watch around the corner and drilled me with a giraffe That's fantastic. Yeah, you'll have to watch the video version to see how that one went. Yeah, buddy I'm gonna be careful. We're war stuff. Yeah, right Dang giraffe sit sit stay. Nope hug it. There you go Sure, why not good boy? Why not? Um, so the 2019 switch lineup. We're taking a look. I can't believe you just did that I can Yeah, right so the 2019 switch lineup is One of those things that um, I think it's just nice to look ahead So people know if you're picking up a switches holiday, what do we know about next year? And it turns out I mean what it's like 30 games on this list Honey, this one will get green screened out, you know One, two, three There's gonna be more common She must be trying to clean the playroom and chucking stuff out Oh, okay Eric's literally counting on 21. Hey, I can just like kiss this. Let's can drink. All right. So Eric, why don't you uh Why don't we just go game by game and just mention something that excites us about each one? Okay, well, yeah, fire fire them three houses Anything excites you about that one? You got any interest level? Where's your height level for fire along the real? I mean the firearm on my nose. I mean, it's I know it's a good series I don't really play it might not be for you. So no, I don't play it. Okay So his height level in the trash because it's not it's not in the trash But she doesn't like fire. Oh, yeah, uh-huh because that's exactly what I said You said you've never played ergo. You don't like you've had how many years to play a firearm game I never said I didn't like it. Yeah. Have you ever played one? No. Have you ever felt the desire to play? No, then you don't like it I couldn't like it. I just haven't played it You don't like it. Sure. We'll go with that. I guess um I'm actually looking forward to firing on three houses haven't really deeped over into a fire on games It's fire them awakening and it's kind of sort of the return to a home console. So Excited Because switches a hybrid What are you talking about? I was gonna say what are you talking about? It's a home counter. All right next one Bleedies mansion three That was your height level on this one. Uh, I don't know if there's a roof on that It just it just got blown through it. Uh, yeah Did you pick up dark moon? Yeah, I have dark moon. Okay. I was just checking because I was like, oh, Do you just one of those people? I just love the og but I never played the second one. No, I actually haven't played the og No It's on 3ds now it just came out I'm not buying a 3ds game Is that is that i'm principal? No, it should be on switch But it's not I know you're not buying it on principal. The fact is not on switch. Yes Oh, man, you don't deprive yourself. No, I know It is so much better than dark moon if you really love dark moon in your life over three I did through the rough you gotta play the og Oh, it's so good. Yes, folks. That is me I'll I'll say this to the cows come home. Luigi's mansion the og is significantly better than dark moon if you love dark moon And they're not gonna think dark moon is anything and there goes about 30 subs Oh, I actually I think it might be a popular opinion. Yeah, maybe I don't know Well, but you know, there's those handful people out there. Yeah, we just matched it three. I mean Didn't think we were getting there anytime soon Yeah, I thought there was a chance because we got dark moon that we would get a third one Now it's gonna be a back on a home console I'm I'm pumped The little bit of gameplay we saw I didn't really show much, you know, but uh, right looks exciting Yeah, looks great. It looks like Luigi's mansion and I can't wait To go to some haunted mansions and hunt some ghosts again All right, I guess I'll hit up the next one here Next up we have on the list is the 2019 pokemon game, which supposedly is a new generation of pokemon A little bit of info we know is that it will be compatible with pokemon bank And you'll be able to transfer all your old pokemon that you know through ultra sun ultra moon over We're not sure about pokemon. Let's go Pikachu. Let's go evy We don't know if that's gonna have the bank involved at all So that's kind of up in the air for that, but uh, yeah new generation of pokemon Um Excited not excited. I mean, I don't know I mean, we're both going in on Let's go next month because we promised our view right going on that and right Because because I want to have a serious conversation with you and then probably bring in someone who's but who's a big fan of pokemon and just Kind of get our impressions on the game and see if you can get us back into it um a starter It's basically right people look at it as a starter game I think a starter game is the best chance you and I have of getting back into pokemon Probably it also helps that it's Really fun. Yeah And looks phenomenal and and kind of a I know i'm a gen oneer Oh, he openly admits it but I mean, I don't mind too So what i'm saying is but yeah, I don't know if we could check your hype levels for the new pokemon next year until after Let's go. Let's go evy and see if it I want to see a little more concepts on it You don't want to play more pokemon. Yeah, I want to see a little more concepts on this as well Yeah, I want more Um, because that's when I know maybe you will consider the new gen now again We don't know anything about it yet. So there's a lot of unknowns besides the fact that it's compatible pokemon bank, but Um, we really don't know anything so there it might build like maybe don't have pokemon out in the overworld or something We don't we don't know what it's gonna be. Yeah, so all right, um My hype levels for are just kind of I'm about right here. Um, I've been more interested in pokemon of late Uh, but again, and I know let's go picture. Let's go evy is not a good, you know Level to check for our new generation game. That's gonna feel different But I do feel like it's going let's go picture. Let's use is going to check my fandom It's going to be like are you really a fan of pokemon or not? It's going to check yourself Then it's going to wreck yourself because it basically it's going to be are you just nostalgic for pokemon? Or do you actually that's probably are you actually a fan? That's probably me I'm nostalgic because if you can play this Then that means it's still in there. Yeah a lot to change with a lot of new pokemon But it doesn't even you can't get into it right? We just maybe we need to be better eased into it Maybe and obviously a new generation ain't gonna ease us and probably not it's gonna throw it all at us when we're like What is going on? I just want my Pikachu Dang straight. Actually, no. I want my charger. Um, all right. Well, what's the next one? Yoshi's crafted world thoughts I looks like it could be a decent game I don't know if I'll that I don't know if I'll pick it up But it looks like it looks like it could be fun I feel like it's the curvy star allies of next year except it might be better Yeah, and the reason I say might be like curvy star allies is really good. Yeah, but Out of all the curve, I think we've had a lot of curvy games the last decade I don't know that it's one of the strongest ones. It's just okay What are you talking about? It's got the friend circle Oh Friend circle, uh, and the friend line and yeah, yeah, well, yeah star. Oh Yoshi's crafted world that I'm interested in Not just because of all the different perspectives that gives you in the beautiful art style It's it's a Yoshi game. We're used to beautiful art styles. That's why unique ones Uh, it's because this was supposed to be a game this year But it was delayed and we don't know why it was delayed They were still working on the label effect in 2017 So we're gonna what they were still working on the label for it You know that they're gonna try to work that in there somehow It looks like a game looks like a game that is perfectly fit for lab. Oh I don't know. They'll try to figure some way to Figure out a way to shoehorn that in you know it maybe it's got the cardboard man If that's why I got delayed I'm gonna cry. I love Yoshi games I don't know if i'm picking it up But if I do it's because of I have a high expectation for it to be better because of the delay Whenever a game is delayed as much as this one has been because it's been like a full year delay I expect more of it breath of the wild got multiple delays expected more felt like it delivered um A game done, you know, it's not I'm not gonna bring up the oh, I guess I'll bring it up But I'm not gonna say I agree with it the the famous Miyamoto code that uh, you know, uh A Bad rushed game is bad forever, but a good delayed game is good forever And his basic his basic concept was that you'd rather a game be delayed and be good than be rushed and be bad And that's always true, but it could still be rushed and be good, too So I don't I don't know like I know that it can also be delayed and be terrible It can also not be rushed and just land on time and be fine. Yeah, there's that I mean wow how many more how many more things are there? Wasn't delayed. Yeah Great. Yeah, so um It's between two wasn't delayed great There's plenty of examples of where like it's not true And then there's also been delayed games that still were terrible. So from nintendo. So like I don't know. Yeah I'm hoping that this isn't one of those. I'm hoping that it's awesome I have to remember it. It's always been kind of a family friendly Platformer has some difficulty to it prior to yoshi games But for the most part, it's always been like that that easier counterpart to mario So don't get mad when you find oh, it's super easy. It's always been super easy. Yeah Okay, like mario platforming really not that hard either Now mario maker platforming That's all I don't even know if that's called platforming You're treating mario like a pinball keeping them spinning like crazy Anyways, um Next up is uh damon x machina Um, we've seen a lot of this game. Is it machina or machina? Sure Something like that. We're gonna yell that in the comments. It's probably We've seen a ton of this game. They added a tgs. Oh, not tgs. The gamescom They've shown a ton of gameplay for we saw it initially 83 when it was announced Unfortunately, it wasn't 83. So we didn't get to play it um met game Mission-based Lots of crazy stuff. Lots of crazy combat. It's using kind of a A cell shaded sort of art style But it seems to have like a red palette thing. Yeah So a lot like you can see that in the box art for like it's red and yellow Like it's it's got that kind of color scheme to it, which is fine Uh, that that doesn't really bother me. It's different. It's just different It's just the art direction they went for um I mean, what are your thoughts on that? It's a brand new ip which which is nice to see like nintendo another new ip right, right, right, right, but uh I don't know. I'm I'm not a mech. It's yeah, right, right pretty much I think it's my the same thing with me. I didn't place, you know Really chronicles x specifically because it had mechs and some people played it because it had mechs and I'm like I just I'm not in the mechs and then is The one mech game I like and it's probably the most boring mech game I've ever made and that's a gnome on pc from like the 80s Way to go. It I think I just like the graphics at the time Graphics are yeah admittedly. Yeah, I like I like pretty things That's so pretty see look at this. Look at it. Oh too old school on the art on the Yeah, yeah, it's not hd enough for me It's not 4k Slamming in your face hd enough for you know it's only in one frame. Oh, oh boy It's not even per second. It's like one frame forever. Yeah All right, um next up you got uh this one is I don't know if you spin it real fast. Maybe it looks like they're running So i'm gonna batch some of these together because No, no, those who don't know I don't know there's a bunch of final fantasy games coming next Okay, you're gonna actually get seven nine ten next one in there with it 12. Okay, um Maybe 11. No, I don't know if 11's in there, but we're getting a whole bunch We're getting basically all the final fantasies from um seven up besides eight Uh, so and these are like the originals and all except for 10 two and 10. I think we're the remasters Uh, so whatever we're getting all those they've been on other platforms. Whatever we're getting them all now great I think that's great. A lot of people pumped especially for final fantasy seven I know why they consider one of the greatest games of all time. I get it be excited Yeah, the final fantasy game I care the most about though is the one that is Probably the least typed and but it's the one that was probably the least liked and a little bit least typed And it's getting remastered. So it's actually a version of the game that hasn't existed before technically What are we talking about Eric? What what's this game from our heck? I don't even know what I call my child It's my adulthood. We play this as adults. Yeah In our early 20s. Yeah. Yeah, we did your house my house christmas house Yes, that would be final fancy crystal chronicles remastered high-levels Again, I think I'm going right up there with luigi's mansion and there is no real funness I had that that thing went by by a long time ago I love final fantasy crystal chronicles the og not not the one that came out on we Um, because it wasn't final fantasy crystal chronicles. I'm sorry. I know it had the name, but it just wasn't It was a completely different game. It was like a standard final Final fantasy crystal chronicles There are so many fine memories But the thing is all my fine like you can play the game by yourself You really can yeah, uh and grind up your levels although again, I'm gonna friends It's so amazing. I want to beat the crap out of that. I can't remember what the heck they're called Um, the little flying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I forget his name. Hey, give me the pot. I'm tired. Hey, do you take the pot? No, no, no, give me it later Like I'm like you're supposed to be the pot bitch. Yeah stop complaining I care my character carries the pot doesn't say damn thing Yeah But then but then I can't attack people when I carry the pot because it's bigger than me It's just fantastic because you give this it's like, let me take it. You give it to it. It's like three minutes later I'm tired. You take it The what's the point of you all through those mechanics for single player play in the remaster maybe Hopefully that was what that was good played about single player play was that you have a side character that will carry the pot For you at times that you do your combat But like the enemies will start running or you're trying to catch up to them And all of a sudden it doesn't want to carry the pot anymore and it's like I don't mind the pot mechanic. It's really especially when you're friends brilliant Oh and the story about the story your mind is fantastic. The story is awesome Um, I'm really excited for for the remaster It might be the one game that brings me you and chris back together again to play because it was the one game I do I hope for one thing with this a guide That is actually correct I hope for one thing with this and that is that we don't need to use our 3ds is to also play it. Oh god Yes Is that they don't require Actually, if I would be cables They'd probably go back to the game boy Bring back the game boy Because see don't say that because the switch does support the gamecube adapter because of smash bros No, I said game boy not gamecube. No, but listen. Yeah, okay Because it supports the gamecube adapter. What are the cords that you would have to use on the gamecube? Oh, yeah, see that they've all physical cables Now if it supports that as a nice optional thing Yes, like if you're just like oh for for the people who remember If you happen to plug in the gamecube adapter, you could play with I would actually be okay with that That would just be I don't even have a gba anymore, but that would be fun. Yeah, that would be fun That that's just like a callback up to throwback. It's like hey by the way If you remember we are offering the og playstyle if you want, but yeah We're not really gonna like be like, yeah on the box go buy these extra stuff And now we made it so you only have to have a switch or multiple switches and that's it. You're good Um Again, we haven't seen that in action yet besides a little trailer and the trailer is great But the trailer doesn't show how it works with the switches, right how it works without multiple screens right, um, so again, I don't think it'll be an issue because I think how it's just gonna work multiple screens is Unfortunately, unlike in the past when you could everyone could play on one system. I think it's going to require multiple systems Um, that's how they're going to get around it For us it won't matter because I'm pretty damn sure all three of us are buying that game So I don't really think it's gonna be an issue in my in my in my only friend group. I have that plays video games Yeah, uh, but but it's still um Never did it's four players. I don't think I ever played with a fourth. I have I know you have I don't think I ever have I think it was always just me and chris Or just me and you on the side Anyways, uh, so that's that's gonna be a lot of fun. Um, obviously excited about that. Yeah, the rest of Final Fantasy games Good. Yeah, awesome. I I mean if you're into Final Fantasy great Now you'll be able to play like the whole collection on your switch besides one through six because one through six Isn't on virtual console or anything Or on the Nintendo Switch online service that only has NES games Um, yeah, although they added super dodgeball Oh, they did friendly haven't played it yet. Oh on there. I've been waiting. That's good. I kept almost at the first Of my plans against you. Okay We might have to do that after this. I know I was kind of thinking that um, all right What's next on the list after the fun fantasy games? Animal Crossing 2019 That's saying it doesn't get you know what I think I know how to get Darren back on a podcast Yep, it's got to be an animal crossing podcast guarantee. He will come. Oh, yeah And he'll probably be she says and everyone else will oh, yeah Just because they're all hyped for two. I'm sure I don't need Darren But I'm sure I get a message she says big dude. We're doing animal crossing. Yeah, but Darren will be And it'll be like what and I'm like and you want to host it because you're a bigger fan Yeah, and Darren will probably be peeved if we didn't ask him on for a Animal crossing. I don't think he'll even notice. I'm pretty sure he doesn't watch any of the content Oh, Darren for those who don't remember he used to be the third member of this podcast and he I'll be there forever now. I promise having the job my own place good internet and Crickets insert crickets for one episode I think that's a good internet one episode insert crickets I know he's got a girlfriend and he's moving on and like it's like I mean good for him But he still plays games because I see him tweeting about it and I'm just like Why aren't you one of my fuckers? Yeah Anyways, it's okay. That's all right, Darren. You know, I love you. Um It's a little creepy. I've met him in real life. So I will take that back. I don't love you. I hate you. Um Animal crossing pretty hyped only because I haven't deeped over an animal crossing this game cube I have played new leaf. I've played other animal crossing games city folk, etc Game cube to me has always been the best Probably because of nostalgia. I'm assuming. Yeah, that's a different possibility. I'm going to give this one a shot I like pocket camp enough like I played pocket camp. I'm like, you know what I still really like animal crossing Maybe the only frustrating thing about pocket camp is it's just not a full animal crossing game But I like it. I'm having fun. This is good. Yeah, I could see myself live streaming this I could see myself playing this with other people I could see myself in on a car trip around a plane going to la playing some animal crossing. I I could actually I get it. I'm like, I actually like this is the thing with pokemon. I'm hoping it happens with pokemon But I feel let's go. Let's hope he shows creepy. It's like, oh, I still really like this. This is actually really fun That's what I'm hoping. I happened to the animal crossing. So Um, I'm going to give it a shot It's a big ip from nintendo really popular A casual ip that some people play really hardcore I mean, I think that describes almost every nintendo game ever made if we're being completely honest. Yeah, there's that. Um, yeah What's next and I'm not sure if I'm going to pick it up and be but it'd be interesting to see the changes that they make I'm well, I mean, and it's the first one in HD on a sit on a home console. You can argue on your phone, but like a full Right, right, right. No, no for sure. That'll be fun, too Uh, next one, you know, I gotta get on a pocket. Oh, yeah, but the bit block Yeah, who always said I'm calling you out. Josh Thomas You flaked on the one podcast you said you were gonna be on you did not show up And we've never talked about it yet. You still pop on my live streams time to time to chit chat around and I'm waiting Is it gonna take an animal crossing podcast to get you out of the road work? I think so there you go. He You guys probably didn't hear it my fiatta yelling in the background. It's because nobody likes you Yes, yes, um She's really good at ripping on me. Maybe I should have her on a podcast sometimes. Maybe It'll just be a podcast full of how can I insult Nate today? That sounds like a fantastic podcast Oh, great. Have both of you on there at the same time. I don't think I'm gonna survive. No, I'm gonna walk It'll be it'll be rip Nate. It'll be the rip me. You don't really keep ripping even when you're not here I'm like, that's okay. Yeah. Yeah, um, all right next game is saint's throw the third Yeah, oh like a 360 to this is three port. Sure. Some people are really into it. Why not? Take it. Yeah Uh, don't really have any other thoughts on it because I haven't played it. Exactly Uh, next up is travestrikes again. No more heroes Uh, looks good. It's doesn't it's not like a traditional no more heroes game So i'm not sure how into what I am but I like the concept. I like the visiting of different worlds from different indie games I think it it's an interesting game that I'll at least It's one on this list. I will consider Purchasing at the price is right. I don't think it's going to be a 60 dollar game Could be wrong on that. Maybe it will be But if the price is right, I might consider picking it up and it depends on the exact release date and the timing that fits In with all the other games Um, this next one is Interesting. Yeah That would be game freaks new ip town or working. That's the working title Yeah If I remember everything takes place in one time in that town. Yeah, okay It's an rpg. No surprise game freak. Mm-hmm brand new ip It looks interesting. That's what I was going to say if I remember right from the the trailer that we saw It looked it looks like a 3ds game Decent. Yeah, no, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, kind of I mean that all they've really made is like 3ds kind of game so I can't be surprised about that but just because of that The art style and the chibi art doesn't mean it's bad, right the the gameplay looked pretty good. Yeah That's what impressed me the most with the little tease we got. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I would agree with that I It's one of those things that hopefully we find out a little bit more about it. Yeah, I need to see more But it's definitely a game that's piqued my interest. Yes, and here's the thing. I'm a big component of supporting new ip's Earlier double starling. Yes, uh, stuff like that If it's an ip that I enjoy enough of it I want to buy it because I want to like I try to I want to buy show support Um, even if it's not perfect even if there's issues with it I want to keep supporting the idea of like there's my principle supporting the idea of these new ip's existing And it just so happens everyone I bought this generation as long as they're not trash Yeah, and here's the thing everyone I bought so far this generation. I absolutely love so it's been working out I'm bad in a thousand right now this gem. There you go. We'll see if it continues if I pick up town next year new ip There you go. There you go. Um, next up we have a Wii U port Um But it is the port to be fair. That's fun to pause that No, but we're talking about new super mario bros. You deluxe Um, and they added totem in this playable. Yeah with a super crown that turns her into peach at It's peach, but since peach is like not it's peach at because peach is taken. Yeah, so yeah Why bows at and all of the ets you've now seen on the and the crown at wait The super crown is on the super crown. Anyways, that's not part of the game. It's just interesting Uh, uh, that's pretty much the only reason that people talk about it is because of bows Yeah, right. Hasn't it tend to actually the game has it tend to actually said anything about bows it No, no, okay I didn't know if they had They had they released a comic in japan are a draw an art drawing of a concept they had at one point for a super mario odyssey that showed um What what appeared to be a bowser like character? Uh, using the crown to take over peach and meet making her become like a You know wearing a dark dress dark like basically like bowser. That looks like yeah, uh, but I don't know if they did that Like where they released it. They never mentioned vows at very clear to me. It's like you're releasing this piece of art because They're just trying to be like Yeah, we thought of this first concept for vows. We thought about this first Technically, it was gonna be part of odyssey. Yeah, uh, we never went. Uh, somebody want to check the date on that, uh On that picture What's that from the movie you want to check the data? Oh, I'm gonna check the data on that lord Oh Yes, yes it is. Oh, no, there goes there goes my ability to run ads on my videos. Thanks youtube. Yep That's okay. Dean cook is to run ads and he's the one that's his joke. I know Um, anyways, uh So, yeah, new super mario osu! Deluxe it is a new super mario osu! I think the only game I've ever been with my fiance, so that's great We never played the luigi u stuff. So maybe the only way I'll pick it up is basically if she wants me to pick it up Cool fun great. She'll probably want me to pick it up because she likes those. Yeah. Yeah um Next up a trials rising it's comes from ubisoft. It's a continuation of the trial series I like the trials games are fun. Looks good. I mean, I've never played trials games They're they're decently fun. You can crash like hell and it's fun. There's lots of uh Ragdoll physics But crank to a million. Yep, and it's fantastically hilarious when you when you ragdoll So it's next game. Oh boy Uh, we can do a whole podcast on this game. Yes. Yes, we could We haven't we haven't we already done that? We've talked about it. We've talked about it Remember we had the ninjala bath. Yes. I know the ninjala. Yes. You just gave it away. I can't help it I know I know So I just called it the ninjala baths. Yeah, um, ninjala ninjala possibly I can almost probably say Our most hyped game on this list for an extra. I I don't I mean, Luigi mentioned three Yeah, but like of a game. I I don't want to see what gave up like that's unfair. Yeah, I'm gonna chance to play any of these. Yeah, um Man, I'll say this. This is my most hyped new IP on this list. That's for sure. The only other one is town so So it's not a big competition Yeah, yeah, not even close ninjala um What is there to say about this game we haven't said I don't know go back and watch your battle it's I'll say this it's going to be off-putting for a lot of people I think Initially, yeah, don't expect like some people expect to be the next platoon. I even compared to that But it's not the next person in gameplay Right, it's different and it feels stiff at first. I'm warning you right now The gameplay feels stiff like you're trying to move in direction But it feels like the character only moves in like eight specific directions instead of being free moving And I hated it at first The more you play it The more it makes the morning start to understand it and the more you're like not just getting used to it You're just like wait that this is why the movement is this way because of how This how the gum works how the bats work how the what is it the What do they call it when you KO someone? Oh the apple or something. Yeah, yeah Yeah, the way all that works and and even like the dodge move that you like banish for like a half second Then appear a few feet away Sick And like this is just like what's in the demo. This should be different Okay, yeah There's gonna be You know, you know different abilities and stuff. So like it's going to be even better But like it frustrated me at first and then you got not just used to it. You started to understand it and you're just like, okay Yeah, the movement actually isn't bad I almost don't want it to be free moving now I feel like I would be inaccurate if it was free moving because this is melee melee You can shoot your gun, but it's made it's melee combat. Yeah, it's a melee melee like it's not splatoon It's between not melee combat. Yeah, like even when people kill me with a roller It's just because they happened to run over me or and if they didn't then it's because they threw paint at me Which again, not a melee attack. Yeah, so It uh, I yeah It's it's it's special I can tell you right now it I'm gonna own it and there's gonna be live streams Oh, yeah, and Eric's gonna be I don't know. There's team where modes and there's individual modes. Yeah So I'm sure Eric and I are good teams and then you and I are free or or if it is free for all modes We'll still quote-a-quote be on a team So I'm just warning you guys if you play against us online And one and two happens to be Nate and Eric. There's no way. No, it's just one of the best players Yeah, yeah, totally because we're setting up pills for the other person. I mean kind of like oh wait never Yeah, except I didn't know you were doing it. Yeah, well I knew the one kill that I got on you like, okay That must have been Eric because they just let me smack them. There's no way Yeah, there's no way like I should not have caught him yet. I didn't have him stuck down. No Uh, I first I'm a fan that player that must be the first time. Oh, no, no, I'm glad silver that was Eric What Eric was doing like, oh, look, Nate's about to wind up as bad. Let me gum this guy down for him quick. Yeah, right Don't know if I would actually I came close to to be fair. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know Yeah, I can close like twice you did you did thinking for that took second a couple times And only lost because of the bonus points at the end. Yeah Those bonus points were so much Which that reminds me of Mario Party actually. Yeah, so Again, then Jala If you don't know what it is look it up. You'll probably instantly know am I watching gameplay if it's for you or not I don't think it's gonna be everyone. I didn't even know I don't know if you play Yeah, it because watching the video Watching the video watching the gameplay on the screen was just kind of like Yeah, well we played it because we played every other switch game at that point Yeah, so the last one we hadn't touched Yeah, they had a massive booth for that you could not miss and they were giving out awesome pins And they were giving out like bats and stuff. So we're awesome pins. Yeah, and swag So we're like, you know what why not we'll play it once we played it once we're like So that was Good. Yeah, get every pin. Yeah, right Yep, that that was our thing. We literally walked out and walked right back into line Yeah, because we were like we played it once we're like I mean we had we were sitting there talking to the guy who was running the line How many times just because you're like, oh, you're back. Yep. Yeah, and first they yell at us about Going all the way out cutting under the rope or whatever and I was like, look, there's nobody Yeah, no, not cutting right exactly. Yeah, and then eventually Yeah, right because like I get why you're trying I get what you're trying to do, but I'm not gonna sprint Around yeah, I'm just gonna go under like why yeah, I might get anything. Yeah Anyways, it wouldn't have been different if it was really packed then I wouldn't have been doing all right, right, right Um, yeah, it was I think we hit it at the right time And then Jala was well, yeah, because anyone who wanted to play at that point had already played Yeah, pretty much Including the one guy who apparently felt like he only played in jala for the three days. Yeah, right. Yeah, right Because he was undefeated. He's the champion. He's undefeated. He's been playing at all Anyways, yeah, um great game. I can't wait for to call. It's not gonna be for everyone It's not I don't know you're right. I'm not watching the gameplay of it and I was like I mean it looks I'm gonna mind this though is it's another splatoon game, but it's a knockoff and then then like I played it I'm like, oh man, this is really fun. Mm-hmm. This is addicting. This is this is dangerous. Yeah Yeah, right my next 300 plus hour multiplayer game Like I jumped up to like 70 hours in fortnight once it came to switch in a hurry I might get to 100 hours in less time And then I did then it took me to get which is not physically possible, but yeah, you know, right Right. Yeah stays. Yes. Yeah, I guess because of how much Oh I can't I can't Yeah, I here's a scary thing until we started making this little stack for god about the game I know right because I haven't seen it in so long. I know right And it was just gonna magical drop one day without me realizing it and I was going to be all over twitter I forgot ninjava releases. Yeah, right. Oh my god. Yeah The second you said that are like Oh my god, how did we forget because it's just we don't see ads for it. No, I mean, no, so Oh Gracious, okay dragon quest 11 dragon quest 11 is the next one. Yeah. Yeah, I Haven't played drag west so Yeah, I mean it looks really really good compared to other dragon quest games But uh gotta play it don't know if i'm gonna pick it up, but I mean it's there. Um, chocobo mystery dungeon These chocobo games have been around forever. I like chocobos. I like chocobos But I've never been a big proponent of the mystery dungeon stuff. So yeah, why not? Um, and this technically is not announced yet But we know what's happening just dance 2020. Well, yeah, because remember it releases in 2019 Yeah, that's why we we didn't go with just dance 19 because basically releases me picking up the game is contingent on me Like in the music in the game That's pretty much the way it is every year or if you dance to it on stage at e3 Well, I still didn't pick up just dance. Oh, there you go So, I mean yeah again contingent on me like in the music I do I should look at the music in in in the in the 2019 one and see if I So we'll see we'll see I like the feels and I like to just dance. I think they're just good fun. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you do an edit It's just about I like dancing. So it's it's just fun. And it's a nice work. I just like to dance Look at this guy. I just like to dance I just like to dance anyways All right, so that that that we're gone. Yeah, it's topic. Well the topic two is done Again, it was just going through the list and saying a couple things. Yeah our third Not spending a whole lot of time on that. We spent a whole lot of time on this game. I know So Master trainers are being added to pokemon. Let's go. You have you heard about this? Uh, I kind of sort of watched the video that you were watching So I kind of picked up a little bit on it, but not a whole lot So this is content that's post game. Okay. Uh, these trainers are extremely difficult There's a there's a one trainer for every pokemon Holy cow 151 trainers. Okay. So you're talking even like like Uh, you know charmander has his own trainer. So does char's are sort of charming. Okay. Yep. Yeah every pokemon has its own So at the very least 151 Well, yeah, because we don't have we don't know if they had the extras Oh, yeah, like the alone. I don't know. Yeah. Um, so at least 151 pokemon masters Um, the fights you can't use items You can only fight them with one pokemon and in the in the little commercial they showed for it It was always like the same pokemon So, I don't know if it's a ploy to get you to level up all 151 of your pokemon to max level I'm not sure and I'm not sure like do you have to fight a charmander with the charmander Or can you fight it with it that much isn't clear because all it said was no items and you can only fight it with one pokemon So I don't know if that means you could try to counter that pokemon like if i'm fighting char's are That just that just seems kind of What that almost kind of like seems like cheating the system though. What granted. I mean If you use the counter to beat the master of that pokemon Yeah, I that's why I think based on what they showed they showed it always fighting with the same pokemon So I think you need to prove you're a master of that specific pokemon So that's how I think it works, but you know again, they haven't released a ton of details on it Um, when you do defeat one of the masters you gain a new title and the goal is obviously to gain all the titles Uh and the title is basically whatever the pokemon name is and then your master and your name So say my name in the game is nate. So I would be like the char's are master nate Yeah Or pikachu master nate. Oh, yeah, etc. So Um, that's really cool. What's also interesting is apparently these these master pokemon We'll have new surprising moves Which tells you the master trainers can teach these pokemon moves. You can't teach your pokemon Don't worry. We'll teach char's are at surf That's broken But the the thing is I think the reason they're doing that is because they want this to be challenging Yeah, they don't want to just be two max level char's are throwing the same And whoever super hits or criticals first wins. Yeah pretty much Or whoever had the first attack wins like that. That's how I usually would play out So they're trying to be like no, look these these are gonna have brand new moves You're not gonna know so it's gonna you're you won't be able to anticipate what they're going to do It's basically the idea. These are the best of the best trainers of these particular pokemon And you're trying to prove that you are now the best trainer of that pokemon. They're gonna bring back surfing pikachu Probably they're gonna bring back surfing pikachu probably. Oh my god So, I called it here. I called it first So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see how that plays out um Some people haven't reacted. Well, what's your reaction before I tell what other people's reactions? What's your reaction? Um, it seems like an interesting concept. I like they've never done the concept like yeah. Yeah. No, no for sure for sure. Um it's it adds Probably a whole hell of a lot more time to the game. I can tell you that much The negative side of this I heard people say is all great. They're trying to make us grind Because you're probably at the max level 151 pokemon. Yeah, probably um But like I don't know how it's a negative like why are you playing pokemon? To catch them all But okay, then don't do this. Yeah, it's not like you have to do it. It's not like it's yes It's at the end of the end game content This is close game content And it's just like if you want to master that particular pokemon Of course you need to max level the pokemon to master it. You know that everyone knows that so who Get that weak sauce out of you had to get 151 You could just get the titles for the pokemon you want to master. Yeah But I know I'm gonna get the charizard master title because I want it. Yeah I don't really care if I have all 151 at least in the moment. Maybe at the time I'll care And yeah, it's grindy. Oh if I started I think I'm gonna I don't think it's as good of post content as we've seen before in other games where they added new pokemon And the violence and stuff, but I think as a concept. I don't really hate it. No, I it's optional You don't have like just because contents added to a game after you beat the main quest Doesn't mean you have to do that content Play pokemon for the reasons you want to play it at that point in time Do you do that that hurts my brain on the 100%ing? Because you 100% if your completionist. Yeah, they made you have to grind but like here's the thing Here's the thing 100% of the game, but I didn't 100% Did you really 100% the game you didn't max level all your pokemon anyways? That's my thing if you're a completionist you probably max level Yeah, that depends on your it depends on your Depends on your your definition of completionist variant Because the variance is in different That to me, I don't even know is it possible Pokemon if you have to literally have everything you can possibly have in the game Isn't even I don't even think it's possible. Well, it is probably if math. I mean it sure is possible. It is but Man that'd be nuts Especially if we find out the muse that you get with the pokeball plus yeah that we find out all of them have different stats And I need to buy multiple multiple of those controllers and then hope you get the different one Yeah, I don't know if I know No Just right now. No So if they max level like max leveling I think to me personally I would always consider that part of 100 percenting kept catching them all great achievement But if you didn't max level and see what all the moves are at those max levels You didn't make the pokemon as strong as they could be I don't know if you really 100% in you guys that's always been my take the pokemon I might say and I've ever 100% that's why I have it 100% I've caught them all And then I just kind of stopped because that's I was good enough for me So my thing of pokemon with any game play it for the reasons you want to play it You don't like grinding then don't participate in this bonus content. I was too pokemon short Kabuto on kabutops And then I'm pretty sure somehow my Freakin game gear game boy and a whole bunch of my other no a whole bunch of others got uh donated No, I'm pretty sure I was just sitting in the back of the van after a trip and We threw everything in the back for donation and just said everything in the back goes and I'm pretty sure that just got Yeah Because I haven't been able to find it Yeah Oh, no Yeah This is where you go around it to game shops and you keep asking. Oh, that was a while ago Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, still could be out of the game shop somewhere You just got to be like, hey, what what war version was it? Oh, I had red and blue but I had a blue version. But what was your main version blue? So like I go around and just ask people. Hey pokemon blue. Do you got a game boy? Can I pop it and see if my save files on that one? Yeah, just keep Hoping that your save files still exists somewhere out in the use game market And you'll you'll sometimes you'll see like, oh, here's a oh, what was it? I was at uh a game store like a few years back where they had uh pokemon yellow Still sealed in a box. They were selling it for like 150 Um, and then they also had pokemon yellow for like 500 dollars Not sealed no box. No no manual. No nothing, but it was on 100 file I'm like, what's the point? Well, the point is You're basically paying for breaking rights. You're paying to say look I caught them all Uh-huh. That I mean and no one would know. Yeah No one would know unless you brag that you spent money on them. Yeah You did because like as imagine how hard it would be today where everyone's not playing those og games anymore I mean, maybe it's not that hard because of pokemon bank, but like if you're doing it with an og game You know, there's no pokemon bank. So anyways So the master trainers I think is a very interesting concept. Yeah, it's just not one that um I don't know. I don't know how I'm gonna feel about it until I get there Let's get through the game and then see how I feel. I like it as an idea. Yes, it's grindy Doesn't mean you could be could be grindy. It's it's probably grindy. We don't know with all these It could be master trainer and they're pokemon at the same level as yours. I don't I don't we don't know how it works. Yeah um as a little side topic to this uh Someone asked masada or masuda. I always pronounce his name wrong. I pronounce all the japanese names wrong Let's just be honest and let's just sugar on me a motor that I've heard 17 billion times Or satura awada, even then I probably butchered that some other first name um He was asked about Whether or not they would consider making an open world pokemon game in the same vein as like breath of the wild and while His response basically made it sound like Everything would be on the table They've never taken any idea off the table if they could find a way to make it work So the response told me two things one an open world pokemon game is possible To the game we're getting next year is not an open world pokemon game because because I mean you could argue that maybe he just doesn't want to say anything about that one So he doesn't want to right But if he made it sound like it's just one of those ideas that's been discussed And if they can make it possible one day they will but that one day could be next year But I I kind of took it as they're not really seriously considering an open world pokemon game at this time Yeah Do you want an open world pokemon game? But I mean just like starly breath a lot go anywhere you want. Yeah, I know. Yeah Once you get out of the tutorial just Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So what's your um Go anywhere do anything right away. I mean why not You want to go have your level one Pikachu face off against a level 100 Zubat? You go for it. Yeah, buddy um, yeah, it's just it's And hey, I don't know how it worked. Oh, yeah It's about how well you could throw a pokeball Yeah, the type of pokeballs you have not about the level of your phone. Yeah, um, yeah So I don't know it it's being interesting concept. It's add the climbing mechanics Your pokemon learn climb and now you hop on the back of your pokemon and it climbs That would be sick. That would be kind of the flying and the swimming Add the climbing then Or like when it can go like cut. Yeah, I want to see that damn pokemon's arm Go through that tree. Yeah, cipher. Yeah, or you know, or you could just Did you see the one video where you can Whip the tree down Did you see that one video where they were basically like ragging uncut? Because basically it's like this thing is a small little bush. Just side step it like okay There's a full size tree. This is a baby tree. You could just walk around and walk over it. Yeah Yeah, there was a video out there that I saw and I was like, oh my god. This is fantastic It's not really blocking the path. Yeah You're a kid you can't crawl under. Yeah, right, but uh, no, it'd be I think it would definitely be fun It might make it actually a little bit more enticing Maybe I think the idea of it is Mind blowing. Yeah, it's fundamentally different than pokemon's ever been Uh, breath of the wild technically wasn't fundamentally different because it used to be an open world game From the very first one that came out. So I think it's an interesting idea I just don't know How do you do do we trust game freak? There's that question game freak Hell of a developer in studio But they've been stuck in just a certain way of making these pokemon games Do we trust them to do a revolution here? I mean, this is my greatest fear for next year Can I trust them to be revolutionary? Yeah, I don't know like yeah They did it kind of sorda with pokemon let's go But that was because the base concept was about pokemon go. So like they were forcing in pokemon go stuff into traditional pokemon So of course it kind of sorda is different. But now when you're saying, okay, we're not taking ideas from anything else We got to do it ourselves. Yeah Can they make an open world pokemon game because no one doesn't exist. Yeah, so like I can't look back at the first pokemon game They ever come out and be like look at how that game did it cool. Let's do that. But do it in 3d. Yeah I mean people still want a full 3d pokemon game. I mean, that's that's a thing too No, no, no 5d or 3d but the top-down perspective like actual first person style Um or third person over the shoulder style. Yeah But I think it's a I think it's a concept. I want to see one day I don't know if game freaks the ones that do it Probably not that's the tough part. So in other words, we're probably never gonna get it Ask Ubisoft then again. Well, no If it's just a nintendo ip ubisoft didn't do anything fit like with with mariovis rabbit's kingdom medal Nothing fishy there. Yeah, uh, so if it's a nintendo controlled ip I think we're fine. It's like startling was all messed up, but it was technically not a star fight scene It's hacked in. Yeah, so an actual full crossover or then making a full nintendo game I trust ubisoft with that. Ubisoft's got good developers. They make good games. Yeah So nintendo and pokemon company Get Ubisoft to do it. There you go. May let them make their assassin screen pokemon edition Just don't save it on one pc and have it almost crack All right, um This is the the the last topic before we we sign out here Uh, won't spend a whole lot on it because I'm gonna do an individual video, but Uh, you guys remember back when we talked about philip musin the biggest thing on the internet Um, it was a really big deal at the time It's actually our highest viewed video one of our videos on that is that one of our highest viewed videos Uh, philip musin for those just a quick recap. He was a youtuber He I mean he had other careers before he's graduated college and stuff But um, he was a youtuber that garnered a following was on spawnways podcast on the spawncast Makes really really well put together edited videos got hired by ign to be the new nintendo person after hoseo tarot was hired by nintendo themselves Uh, he came in and um Was heading up the podcast was doing reviews and writing articles. Well a lot anyways He got busted for plagiarism and busted really bad like his review Um, he sold a review from boomstick gaming that was basically word for word Um as word for word at as practically reading off the script. It was really bad Um, there were specific like entire paragraphs just read for like no doubt that this isn't inspired by this is plagiarism And then it turns out after he got busted for that and yes, hi gn did fire him That almost like every review product review game review or whatever he did on his youtube channel just called philip Was plagiarized taken from somewhere And other places had actually talked about this before But they were outlets that were so small and no one really paid attention to ign you can't ignore all right So it turned out that he basically faked his way To the position of nintendo because he couldn't come up with his own original. He didn't have the time or whatever whatever excuses He he ended up doing an apology video that he never called an apology video to make it clear Right. He just wanted to explain this out of the situation where he basically said he did nothing wrong Um, he apologized to people he hurt but in the apology. He's like everybody does what everybody does Which just made everyone get mad and we ended up taking the video down because all the backlash over that And then he just kind of vanished and we haven't heard about him really since Um, he's back until now. Yes. He's back Um, again I found out about the video because there was a thread on reset era that said philips back With an apology and explanation. He didn't apologize again Uh, well, let me take that back. He put up a new video. The video is a product review for a bluetooth Um dongle for switch what you know one that he calls the best bluetooth dongle Uh, and I admittedly the product itself looks pretty good, but this isn't about the products It's about philip. Um, he starts off the video and he doesn't he says, you know, he's done a lot of reflecting Um, which I hope he has And then uh, he says I apologize to anyone I've hurt And then that's it. Then he gets into the video So But here's my thing I I told you guys back then he's coming back to youtube, right? Like of course, he's gonna come out to you youtube is a more forgiving platform He has tons of fans in the comments defending him people on reset era defending him saying he deserves a second chance Well, am I ever saying he done he didn't deserve to have another shot at being a youtuber again He is one of the best video assuming that he edits his home videos. Yeah, that's the thing too. We do FYI it's funny very few of us youtubers ever talk about editing Who's editing her videos? Is it us or is it someone else? Someone else will be like, yeah, I do everything I don't edit this podcast martin does Um, I openly admit that thanks martin. Yes, uh, so it's always been an interesting concept to me You know, does he edit his own videos or does he not? I don't know but assuming he does Um, very good video editor Um, even if he's not editing, he's just directing it how he wants it to look Very very good. Very professional. I mean, this is why you got hired by a gm It is one of some of the most professional editing You will see on a channel with only 60,000 subscribers pretty much anywhere. It's very impressive in this video Very impressive with editing even the cringe worthy times that he's clearly not playing a game And he's sitting there with a bluetooth headset on on his couch holding a pro controller And he's just like button matching. I mean, no button matching any games on switch side He has smashers and oh, yeah And like if you look if you look closely like the lights not on on his headset So it's like I get it. It's b-roll footage. Yeah, you know, but it's still come on. It's kind of like for someone who's been busted for being fake Don't have a moment like that where it looks like you're fake anyways At least like show the tv and show you playing the game Yeah, but even if it's blurred so we can't see what game at least show like at least something's happening on your tv Yeah, yeah for sure. Anyways, that's what I would have did if I was his director of that video But so the video is fine Assuming he didn't plagiarize it people are already looking to see if it's plagiarized It's like the dislike ratio is insane because people didn't forget Maybe he thought three months would be enough for people to forget people didn't forget Um And he wants to get back at it and I'm sure the more and more videos that he makes as long as none of them Can be proven anyways to be plagiarized in any form He'll eventually rebuild the base and be fine. He's too good of a video editor You could have a content presenter anyways to not come back somehow the world's very forgiving When it appears you've learned from your mistakes. Yes. Well, here's the thing The other thing is too is that a lot of times You tend to have to admit to your mistakes as well. Yeah, that's the that's the other problem is That's my only issue right now. He hasn't really admitted to it. He hasn't owned up to his mistakes and This is a weird case where normally I just think yeah He'll move past it. He'll go beyond it and he still might But if he never owns up to it All the people that I've been hating on him and saying these nasty mean things which some have gone way too far They're not going to stop because it doesn't Especially if you get busted one more time like Nobody right now beyond your most loyal of fans that were already forgiving you anyways Um or think you did no wrong in the first place You In a situation like this, it's so obvious what the right call is Make a video make a standalone video even don't make it part of your normal content right and just say look I lied My colleagues don't do this I assume they did this but I never actually talked to them about it Um, I did plagiarize. Yes. I did look at music gaming and yes I did work using like I'm not going to go into details on how I did it But I did it like just if you could come on and admit to it and be like Here's the thing when you make mistakes in life um, I'm not saying you can't Grow and get better without admitting you made the mistakes right But you can't expect anyone else to forget about it or forgive you or give you that shot On the whole obviously there's stanchilla offense at will but on the whole if you don't admit to it And I feel like the very first step he needs to take for his youtube channel to ever recover Is owning up to what he did And deep not not just saying i'm sorry to whoever I affected name specific people you took shit from Yeah, well definitely name nintendo life name boomsick gaming come on and be like I Did read their stuff. I did end up paraphrasing them. I did this I did that like blah blah You know you might to hold steadfast you actually played the game and all this stuff and that's fine But I don't need to see you prove you played the game. I need to see you own up to what led to even if it was caught on court subconsciously Yes, and that happens it does happen any game reviewer will tell you you cannot read other people's reviews before writing your Own it will influence after the fact. Yes fine read everyone's yeah You want to discuss it with other people who are currently reviewing the game Without reading the review you just want to talk to them because you have a question about an aspect of the game fine Especially if in your review you kind of cite them and quote them right exactly Yeah, I and then have a chance to play this part oj who happened to also be playing this game And he kind of agrees on this thing that I wasn't sure about so like there you go Or I didn't get a chance to play this part, but this person said Yeah, there's about that part of the game. So like I mean I'm not including this aspect in my review score, but If you're curious a buddy of mine who's played it. Here's his channel. Check out his stuff like blah blah blah Yeah, exactly, but like there's ways to do it. Yeah, where's your stuff? Um, and if you did happen to read someone else's review Um, and ended up subconsciously using parts of it whether you realize it or not Cite the review in your sources be like, hey, yeah for this is what I looked at This is what I did this and if you ended up plagiarizing again, then a lot of a lot I think people also tend to be a lot more forgiving if you did that if you actually cited it I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys a great example here. Okay And eric doesn't know yet because I don't think he he really cares enough to care A lot of people hate jake paul, right? No, absolutely hate him. Yeah, right. Yeah, I think he's a think he's a A dipshit. Yeah, I don't I don't know what like yeah, yeah, he's an asshole. He's mean. He's just yeah bad influence on kids. Well, yeah Shane Dawson, not sure if you know who Shane Dawson is He did a eight part series on the mind of jake paul interviewing jpaul interviewing the follow-ups he's had with people trying to get to know the real him and Very interesting because it started off focusing on sociopaths. Like is he a sociopath? It's actually interesting his brother might be a sociopath, but Can't say that definitively. He doesn't really the brother refused to be interviewed. So yeah, um, can't really get into that but I've watched all of it. It's like nine hours. He's like an eight-parts Not like on youtube and hour-long each video like the fun alley was an hour and 45 minutes. Yeah. Who's doing that on youtube? Yeah, I mean Very interesting that he can even get away with content like that, but um At the end of it all I just I just finished the finale today It doesn't make me like his content like jake paul's content um, but what it made me realize Is that one there's a human behind the camera, right? Um that For all the crap and all the hate you want to spew at him Nobody's thinking about the impact this has on him and how sometimes a response that he does like in a video or something Is him just saying after the world means a kid. He's only 21. Yeah He's a kid and most of this rise to fame. He's a teenager. Yeah So like imagining that kind of rise to fame disney channel all the stuff like when you're that young You know and and it's crazy to think like You know even he even he admitted like they brought up things about how you know He had like that song and the music video about like, you know screw the teachers and all the stuff Like you can teach me anything useful Blah blah blah blah and like Shane's like but they did like you use math every day. Don't you you know how to speak Don't you you know how to write like all of them my question Like these are basic things. These are basic things that you do learn in school The things you didn't learn the things you wanted school to teach you like shame is like These are things parents are supposed to teach you Your moral compass what's right and wrong like respecting your neighbors like if Lighting this massive fire in your pool. You didn't even think to consider anyone else You know just consider if it could start a fire and like light a neighbor's house on fire or the disturbance You're not thinking about the stuff because your parents didn't instill that in you So like, you know, I don't want to throw your parents on the bus But it's kind of like you got all of this it's like does go back to your upbringing Um And you actually got to see like this side of jake paul that is that uh As a person that kind of get it and I understand it all the crap he's been through Um, it is some of it. He's playing a character At all it did the whole it's all a character. Okay, like when the camera turns off. He's not like that. Okay So and he does that because he thinks that's what people want um No, like like even to like like he was asked specifically about the merch sales Like like, okay. You have this one video is 13 minutes long seven minutes of it was him advertising merch to kids and he's like Why don't you like don't you see how you're manipulating? Like you're manipulating children to buy your merch if they don't buy your merch, they're not cool or whatever You have an entire song dedicated a christmas song dedicated to buying merch. Yeah, literally says buy that merch like 50 000 times Um, and well you saw it and he said I don't really view that as as manipulating kids Um, you know and even even at one point, uh You know, he mentioned like shame shame brings up spongebob Like it's like watching a children's show and all of a sudden spongebob every 30 seconds Is like hey buy my shirt and it's an actual shirt you can buy and he goes It's like well, they have commercials like it's not the same thing. No and like your videos of ads That's the commercial. Yeah Insert more ads into your videos if you want to make more money Yeah, it's like and change like this isn't me saying you can't have merch. This is me saying Something happened in your upbringing because if you go back to the very beginning when he was making videos as a kid for his youtube channel zoosh like he He was even selling merch back then so like it's just been normalized and nobody along the way told him To your audience kids you can't do that You can't like kids are very impressionable. Yeah, they see commercials and they want things but those commercials Aren't thrown in their face. It's not the selling of merch to kids. It's the It's the it's the saying if you don't buy my stuff. You're not cool. Yeah, basically that's the part That's the problem. Yeah, basically and and even if you don't say that directly you give that impression Yes, yes, you know like you're not a jake pauler if you don't mind like what do you mean? You saw i'm not a fan of you if i don't have a shirt that has your name on it, right? That doesn't make any sense You know you guys you guys aren't nintendo prime fans unless you buy that nintendo prime merch like no come on but In watching his response that he's very honest and like i thought he was I didn't think he was going to defend it. I thought he would just own up to it And he's just like no he didn't he literally thought there was nothing wrong with it He never viewed it from any other person's perspective He just like we've just always done so and no one's ever told me not to yeah No one ever right made me think about anything else right and Then shamed out of things like you know, yeah, I probably should change like maybe I do need to rethink that maybe I do need to get my dad out of the house So he stops influencing everything. Yeah, maybe this maybe that and like It made me realize and this is why I talk about philip because Jake was jake paul throughout that series Not only was he humanized because of course. He's a human. Oh, right Unless he was literally a sociopath. We would have found that out too. He's not they had a professional psychiatrist on it not a sociopath, but It was one of those situations where you start to understand why he makes the decisions he does why he's done what he does And it makes you When you get behind the curtains like that you start to see how a lot of this Is a fault of his upbringing more so than a fault of him and at this young age of 21. He's only just now Figuring out that this stuff is wrong figuring out his life Right And even talked about how he might be changing his content moving forward and and Shane even mentioned Yeah, I watched some of your more recent videos like It's already More conscious it seems of not doing the craziest of the crazy stunts anymore Um, like kids want to mimic when they're at home and right dangerous Right, even when you give warnings like they see you do this. I think it's cool. It's like jackass people Reason jackass got went off air because generally people were doing it. Yeah That didn't matter if the warnings were there people were doing it and influenced the warnings are there just to save their ass Yeah, it's the same. It's not it's not it's not there to prevent people from doing something I've been shopping carts and go down hills It's hilarious, but I'm not gonna do it. Right. They want to do it for my entertainment. That's the that's for them Right, they're paid. So whatever right have you seen action playing it? Yes. Oh, yeah um So This is where it comes all about the right right, right? Yeah, I don't think Phil needs like an eight-part series with machine Dawson Well, why not he needs to have Publicly it would be cool. But what it needs what needs to have publicly come out is Him Showing that he's not a robot that he is human right that he Understands what he did was wrong. Right now. It just feels like or at least it felt like he brushed it like at the beginning of the video It felt like, you know, he there was a specific line I don't have it written down when he transitions into talking about the product where it felt like the way he transitioned I don't mean this. I'm sweet. I'm trying to sweep it onto the road. Let's yeah, let's get back to what I know I I I did this just because I feel like I in a way need to yeah, that's what it felt It felt like not that not that I want to but I need to yeah, so And so, I mean do I dare ask the question is Philip associate of that? I mean, right, I don't I'm not gonna make accusations Right. No, no, no. I don't know him. But it's until he takes that step and Ken I mean, here's the thing It's something you could fake Yeah, he could just say he realized he can firmly believe he did nothing wrong with just say he did And even that I think we'd be able I hope we can tell if he's genuine or not. It's hard to tell Yeah But at least he would have something publicly out there where he acknowledges it Yeah, even if internally Lives in denial. I almost in a way they'll feel like with him You can almost tell you're gonna be able to tell just by just by the tone of his voice The the feel of how he says it I don't know if he's because you could fake empathy I I just don't know there are some people that just don't understand that concept and And are not good at doing that What I'm saying here is I I don't think that Philip should never be able to make content again I think he's too good at editing at least not to edit for somebody else Let let alone make his own content make his own cut necessarily make his own content But he needs to address this stuff if he ever Wants to get people to stop these massive dislikes and stop hating if you fill up the hate's never going to go away People are like if you are watching this at all because I'll probably Mention you in the title and maybe that'll make you check out the video Maybe I'll maybe I'll tweet it at you. I don't the internet's undefeated. Um, you can't You're never going to win over everyone but You can make yourself look like a lot better person true or not if you could just fess up and you know what go beyond fessing up Don't just say I'm guilty. I'm sorry. I took people's content Mention specific people mention specific content mention give links to the content like Instead of having everyone else dig off the stuff that you did own up to it I'm going to tell a story told us one other time I Got caught shoplifting. I came out when I was a kid I'm not even a kid. I mean I was like 17. He's still a kid, but old enough to know better. Um, and Uh, I was depressed Kind of sort of depressed the teenager depression. I don't know if I was fooled on the depression or whatever My my my girlfriend left me and this time it was for good. It wasn't one of our zillion other breakups This was a talk. Yeah. Um, I think that that relationship was was rocky the whole time. Anyways, uh So I was shoplifting for fun Didn't use any of the items put them all in the back of my car didn't care Uh, eventually I caught with a ds of all things Sticking that in Nintendo. I already owned a ds Multiple of them didn't need another one. I was just doing it to see I can get away with it And that's and that's why I got busted. They got me on camera Uh, which is fine You know, I I needed to get caught eventually or this could have progressed to something much worse And I could have been in jail. So I'm glad I got caught when I did especially since I was under 18 So yeah, there's also that as well. Anyways, I you you can look it up in court records You won't find anything because it's been expunged off my record. So, um I I mean thanks court system. You actually did something nice for me The question if I was a different color would you have done that but, um It's whatever I guess enjoy the joy of my privilege of being in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. There you go But I uh That's all like that's all fine and well But the thing is is when they caught me And I was caught red-handed because of course I didn't talk about I didn't talk about there. I didn't talk about it with anybody Um, when I was caught red-handed and they took me because before I went to Like literally they handcuffed me and put me in the back of the police car They had me go back to the back room. I came out and talked to, uh, the supervisor or whatever with the police officer in there as well Um, and they were asking me, you know, do you know, uh, you know, have you ever taken anything else? blah blah blah and I realized like they said they caught they caught me on camera one other time and it was for like a soda and So they were suspicious, but they didn't really know that's why they didn't just outright arrest me They waited they kind of set me up. They put me back in electronics, which I hadn't been for a while to see if I would try something and I did so They only had me for those two things and I knew it and I could have said no, that was it But I decided in that moment. I'm already caught All the craps in the back of my car Screw it You know what give me a piece of paper and I wrote down a list of like 70 things I had taken Um, and I'm like, it's all in the back of my car. Don't believe me. Here you go officer Sure enough. It was all there and they got it all back except for like the sodas and Oh, I said, yeah, some of the sodas and some beef jerky or whatever that I had taken for breaks Um, that you know just couldn't do anything about and yeah, I got fined and had to pay out of the back of whatever Yeah, yeah, did all the what I needed to do to make that all right Um, and I was I was banned from going to Kmart for like two years As part of the whole thing, uh, which made sense like they didn't want a lifetime ban me because that is that you're a kid You know, it's not like all the stuff is admitted There's no legit excuse for this You said you were doing it for the thrill of it because you were upset with other parts of your life But like it's not really an excuse and it's not all not all the stuff is just magically gone to pawn jobs I admitted to everything game old like it all back. So like it wasn't like You pawned it all off. Nothing was even open. They put it right back on the floor It wasn't even open. It was just sitting in the back of my car. Yeah, so um that happened and What helped me not it made me feel better about myself that I just fasted up and and said I could have got away with so much of it and infesting up the total amount of the items added up to a felony Um, and I didn't know that at the time Maybe I would have rethought fast enough on all the items. I don't want to get a felony But you know what it actually worked my benefit because they didn't they didn't give me the felony Uh, because I was honest and because the items were returned So Because of all that then they're like man like most people get busted down and they're not like this like We thought it was out of character too, but yeah, this is clearly way out of character because you're embarrassed You're embarrassed that you did this at all. Yeah, like yeah It's just for it was the excitement to get away with that. I don't care about crap so My thing is I fast up to it fast up to my parents fast up to everyone I fasted to you guys one other time on this story and I use this as an example for you Philip because It makes it's not just about People forgiving you. Mm-hmm. It's about you free and able to forgive yourself for what you did For whatever the reasons might be and you don't even need to get this personal into the reason Like I told you guys I was doing it for the thrill of it because of a bad breakup Um, you don't even need to get that deep but at least owning that you did it in the first place Owning up that yeah now just own up that you hurt people Because that's a blanket statement. How did you hurt people? What did you do? We still haven't heard your side of how you felt you hurt people. Who did you hurt? We haven't heard It's good for you. Not just for good PR person, but it's good For you in self-reflecting on your life and what led to it And I think it would actually make a really cool story if you I don't I'm like I say Shane Dawson. He's really huge. I don't even know if he considered you at your size but like Even someone like me or whoever like someone sits down with you that is a third party and doesn't interview with you Because you got a lot of energy requests. I know you have Respond to one of those interview requests and do the interview. Mm-hmm answer the tough questions Don't avoid them Be honest because we're gonna know if you're not if you start making excuses or start saying this is how it's done You're gonna get called on it. Like if Jason Schreyer interviews you he reviews games He will call you on your craft. Like if you're just like everybody does it But he'll be fair. He'll let you get your say Yep, and he has his own podcast. I think it would be great. Philip if you went on something like that Accepted one of these requests and gave your side of the story and we're honest and admitted to things Even if it doesn't appear on your channel just so it's out there for public knowledge That will not only make you feel better. Just like for jake paul. I mentioned all this stuff getting it out there. Like he was so afraid What was so great and I hope That philip has half the heart that jake paul had in the series because the reason he never came out and talked honestly About a lot of this drama and all this crazy stuff. He was so afraid of hurting the people that hurt him He didn't want to hurt anyone And when you hear that coming from jake paul, yeah, like we didn't want to hurt anyone Yeah It actually kind of makes sense. Why didn't you clear like why haven't you talked about your dad? Why why have you not like publicly said anything about you like your brother sleeping with your ex-girlfriend? Like all this because you didn't want to hurt the people involved In particular his brother You don't want to hurt his dad don't want to hurt his friends They want to hurt, you know the martinis twins who use jake paul like the martinis twins like apparently From multiple sources now that directly involved in the martinis twins left team 10 You know accusing jake of racism accusing him of bullying and use all these examples from all these various vlogs When it turned all there was all stage and they knew it. Yeah So it was all fake and they signed off on it and knew all about it But nobody ever said anything publicly because they were so afraid Of making the martinis twins look bad. Yeah Um, he didn't want to hurt them even though everything they were doing hurt him. Yeah Um, and it's just like wow That's it's crazy And if philip can have a coming a coming to realization moment like this publicly in some form That to me would redeem him and allow him to at least hold of dignity And plausibility that he understands what happened and if he doesn't understand it Being able to talk directly with someone who does that's why I said I think jason schreyer would be a great one for him way more qualified than me for this um To talk with him and even like like when jake paul didn't think he was doing anything wrong with the merch after talking to Shane he now understands. He knows he's just never had anyone telling that no one's ever sat down and told him why Like you don't view it as manipulation because it's just the way you've always done it But you don't understand how this works then like what you don't you didn't view it as any different than a commercial And no one's saying you can't sell merch. It's how you're doing it. Right. You can mention it Like I've mentioned that individually. Hey, you want to get this thing? I want like that's fine Yeah, yeah, how you present it matters Yeah, having a song all about that matters having to song the trash as teachers When you yourself have actually benefited from some of the things you've learned And some of the things you're blaming teachers for are never the teacher's responsibility anyways But you know, I shouldn't be but you don't understand these things. You don't understand your teacher You don't want to give you the moral compass, right? Your teachers aren't want to teach you about life They might help and they can help but that's technically not their job That's just them as humans reaching out and doing something right um, so I think that for philip man You know, I just want to end it with this and I'll probably bring this up In a my dedicated video. I'm going to be doing that you guys probably already saw at this point over the weekend um Philip man, you need to reach out and clear the air if you're going to continue to make content right in this moment I think you you're the way you're approaching this now is uh, the internet will forgive the internet will forget Eventually if I just keep making content the like ratio is going to get better and better and better And it's a bet that you want to make right now that might be true And you're not going to know for a year the thing is is I really don't think the internet forgets The internet does not forget. Yeah And even doing all this isn't going to make uh, you necessarily It doesn't like like what like what jake paul that doesn't like said and this doesn't change what happened Right, but it provided context and made you understand what like also hopefully needs to change Like the normal one question is why did you think it was okay? Yeah, maybe your reasoning Would be perfectly understandable to a normal person But we don't know the reasoning because you won't talk about it. You want to pretend it didn't happen It didn't exist. I or everybody does it. You know, you made it sound like philip. You made it sound like You joining ign was the mistake versus What you like like in the video he mentions i'm back on youtube where I belong the whole time Oh, what's happened on youtube? Yeah, so it felt like you were saying the mistake I made was going to ign where I got busted Versus being like the mistake I made was plagiarism in the first place You're not only up to it. You're blue. You're kind of passing blame off And this is why I think he needs to accept one of these interviews. He needs to just do it Because I mean here we are on this podcast. I'm a standalone video People are going to accuse me. I'm doing it for the clicks of the views. Whatever say what you want I I feel strongly about this stuff. Yeah, no, um because this is He's a he's a let's just he's a nintendo youtuber Yeah, he's a he's a bigger nintendo youtuber than he gets more views than I do This isn't me saying I deserve more views than him. What i'm saying is What he does as an impact on the industry I'm in And because of the attention of what he does Also the fact that he's Then basically through everybody under the bus by saying this is how everything's done. Yeah Like I didn't review. Here's the thing. I didn't review starling battle for alice, right? I did an impression video I mentioned that I probably wasn't going to review what I didn't mention is why I wasn't going to review it I read other people's reviews already Ergo, I don't think I can write I can do a review I just think integrity wise I cannot make a review because I've watched a few reviews and read a couple. Yeah I I can't I can't review. I know Subconsciously, I like I'm aware that it's going to affect my review Their thoughts are going to enter my head at certain times their words are going to enter my head So that's why I said, you know, I'll just do an impression video. I'm not going to do an actual review Yeah, uh, and I approached my impression video I think in a way that wasn't talked about in other videos I don't know maybe there was some influence still But at least I'm not trying to pass it off as this is my review. This is like, no, I play the game. Here's my gameplay Here's what I think about it be done with it It's Philip Philip Here's the thing Philip you're doing everything that makes me Not want to like you And I don't know you as a person So I don't know if this is just who you are. So I shouldn't like you Maybe you are narcissistic. Maybe you're a sociopath. Maybe you're a zillion things By the way, even if you are a sociopath doesn't mean that you're a psychopath. Those are two different things Have relations not the same thing. You can be a sociopath and still be a good person Um, and it's not your fault most of the time if you're a sociopath, it's literally not your fault It's just tragic event or you're born that way can't help it but it's We just don't know. Yeah, and I want to know I I want to know for Like I I shouldn't care this much about you personally but I felt personally impacted by what he did Because he made people like me look like shills. No, exactly. People need look like we don't try. That's what I said in the effort You know how many comments I get in some of my not all of them It's it and then other trolls and just a few people But I get comments every single week every single day about how crappy of a youtuber I am How much of a shill I am or how much of an e-bagger I am because I happen to have a patreon and sell merchandise And now have a peel box. I'll have a peel box. Apparently that makes me an e-bagger because I have a way for people to send in fan mail That no one has to send ever. Yes like There's people that say these nasty things about me on the daily about how fat I am and and like I've learned how to like cope and deal with that and have it not really bother me But all of these things pale in comparison to Like these things won't really even be inside about me until philip happened To be honest. I had a few people call me fat but like calling me a shill and e-bagger like this stuff wasn't happening To philip there and I don't know if he just created more people Unleash the trolls tension like unleashed them or if It's just a residual effect because I covered the philip situation I got attention from some of that stuff and now some people that are watching my stuff like wow Blah blah blah. We don't like the only reason why you're popular is because you you did this video Which by the way, there's a whole bunch of channels on youtube that exist just for drama So like it is kind of a thing youtube likes youtube likes drama people who watch youtube like drama drama sells And not just sells on youtube it sells on tv. Yeah, I mean if you think about you know If you like sports, what are some of the top sports stories every day? It's always drama. Yeah, for sure um like oh the houston rockets like Sucky like a really bad team now because of their defense. Let's create drama out of nothing like yeah That's that's drama is entertainment for a lot of people um, but this is drama that It has an impact in the space. I am like like people asking me, you know, why am I not on the small wave podcast one John and I have never even had one conversation So we don't know each other. So there hasn't been a even like I've even tried messaging him He's just never responded to get on to get on the podcast But philip's been on that podcast Um, and it starts making you one like why am I wondering is rgt 85 legit his dream guy's guy legit is oj legit like it's formally legit like it I think they are But the fact that someone was on it that wasn't makes you question Right, and that's me as a fan and I am a content creator and the thing is just a question Even though I wholeheartedly believe note that philip is a one-off case. Is he I don't know I'm not yeah, I'm not gonna sit there and watch a video and then scour the internet to find out if that video has been plagiarized Like I'm not going to do that. That that's not my job. That's the job of the creator Or like the people monitoring the creator like I as a fan. I'm not gonna do it. So like Right. No, I know I get you. I don't know. I mean, do you have any thoughts on this before we close out? um I mean if if you've if he's truly reformed I mean best to look to him. Don't you know Try not to do it again. He does it one more time. I think that's it Yeah, I mean, I think he might even get reported the youtube and his channel if you get shut down Yeah, for sure for sure But I mean if you if you don't do it again, and you've hopefully learned from your mistakes. I mean, yes Good luck second chances You know I'm not Trying to hold this against you personally, but you know, I don't know this Yeah, exactly. I'm not mad at you man. I mean, I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed. I'm not mad I just think you need to air this out Or the internet will not only never forget. They'll never forget and they may eat you alive They're going to the internet is the thing could be a terrible place. It could be a wonderful place, too Yes But for you to ever get back to some semblance of wonderful and to get back to some normalcy You got to talk about it. It's tough. Mm-hmm I don't know why it's tough for you just that it is apparently because you won't talk about it and you won't accept any interviews um If for some reason you think attack like he called out Kotaku like they were trying to get him Maybe that's why you won't talk to Jason Schreyer. Fine. Philip. I'll tell you what I'll send you an email. I'll send you a message Come on and send a prime podcast sometime Let's air it out If you're not willing to talk to anyone else, I'm a small time youtuber Don't get a lot of attention. Maybe that's the best way to do it for you. Maybe instead of getting the attention of everyone Keep it in a small community and see what happens Because uh, I think this is something that you do need to get out I don't know who I'm the best person for it, but I'll ask tough questions because You need to talk about this with somebody in public somehow You don't need to get personal if you don't want to but you need to at least explain Um, the thought process behind the process and why you don't think it's bad If you truly think that or if you recognize it's bad, what about it? You think it's bad Do you think it's plagiarism? How do you define it? Um, and I promise to the thing is and the thing is is do you actually feel this is the way the industry is That's that's the other question. What makes you feel that way, right? As a person like me who's done this and bent done game reviews and seen how it works out all that's What makes you feel like your experience at igm the biggest review all in the world What makes you feel like everyone in there does it that way too? Because they're all denying it. Maybe they're all lying, but What makes you like what do you see me? I mean and and the thing is can we trust what you say the thing is is Maybe behind the scenes there is more plagiarism at igm and you never know But don't and they just haven't got I'm not saying this right. I'm not saying it's there. I'm not saying to go look for it, but It's Yeah, but it'll maybe it is maybe it was the culture there. You never know But but at the same point it's hard to blame the culture when it So many of them Right, but yeah, right before before beforehand. Yes. No, very true Like it's hard for me to be like oh igm's culture did that to him when he was doing it on his youtube channel So then yes, and yeah, I mean I'm like I said, I'm not saying it is I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's I jen. I don't it's it's just it's a one of many many possibilities so Yeah, I'm I don't think it's Again, I haven't worked at igm, but it's kind of like he was doing but then again But then again before he got there So you'd figure you'd figure a lot more of these people would actually be no like now that it's been called attention to call it research and it's like Yeah, people research the game and they talk to people and get extra information But they don't read people's reviews of a game. That's always been a no no Yes, it's always a note You can't read someone else's review into your own and if you did and you still really want to get a review out for some reason You have to say that in your review By the way, this review might be influenced by this this like here's a list of of even here's the thing Philip Here's one thing that no one seems to really have called you out on as much You always talk about how you do research You know what happens when you have to do research you should know this you're a college grad You had to source your research Yeah When I do news I source all my news If I found hey, there's been times where I found a piece of information up from oj What did I do? I linked to the video where I found it out about why that's my source of information That was the original place. I saw it even if it's not the original source He's looking to somewhere else and I gotta say this Philip I can't just get mad at you about this. I'm gonna call out my fellow youtubers Dreamcast guy OJ RGT 85 Spawn wave all of you guys Terrible about sourcing the information Terrible You know how many news waves I've watched or PE news or RGT news or whatever and I love you guys But you'll bring up all this news and since there's no sources in the description No links to where this news is from People just think it's happening because you said it's happening You're you're making it so your people that might want to verify something you said have to google search and find out for themselves Yes, I can obviously verify your like you guys aren't lying As far as the stuff I've seen I don't think you're lying, but I will just say like You got a source In a certain way it's it's And they might have noticed because they probably didn't go to journalism school or anything Right, right aren't taking any journalism classes But in a certain way it's almost presenting yourself as the original source Yes, if you don't actually source your things it's it's just saying that you are the one that talked to them specifically And got this news first and even if in the video You might say something like yeah this first popped up at nintendo life link to it then Yes, if you don't link to it nintendo life gets no benefit of what you just said I mean Maybe somebody will go to it, but but yeah, right the chances of them typing in nintendolife.com And then looking for that specific thing And nintendo life is a popular youtube channel So how do we know you didn't hear from the nintendo life youtube channel instead right versus the website like right? This is why you have to sort like this is the one thing You know if any of you guys come at me about it Um and give me excuses like philip defranco. I'm sure all of you guys can respect him Has links to all of his sources in the description for every story he gives You gotta source your information because you know what also is nice when you source your information If some of your information is wrong You can say One you can own up that one you should have betted it and got multiple sources better But two you can also say well, this is the information that was presented at this website Now I know not to trust this information or this source as much Yeah, you you take a lot of the responsibility for the accuracy of the report off it yourself Yes, because you can point to this interview with this place on this site if that ends up being wrong It's not my fault go to the place that it was from they miss they miss reported it They put up a bad translation. Not my fault Right, um, you can't expect me to be in that room to do a translation. So it's on igm. I don't speak that language So again, um Even just for your own integrity and protection of your own reputation Yeah, as I've seen like oj man, you know, I love and respect you But I've seen some people come at you but he was wrong about this and wrong about that And like the videos they point to the number one issue in those videos is that the information you're talking about Um comes from places that you aren't the source And I know that because I know where the places were and you didn't link it So it comes across as you are saying that as if you have sources behind the scenes that told you this And sometimes you do that oj and sometimes you do have sources, but when you are sourcing other websites kind of actually sourcing right and again That that's a whole separate issue to fill up and if if you actually do have sources you can say my sources that would be Your your citation. Yes. My sources say if you are the actual person that actually says that The first person to get the news out. I think I'm gonna make a video about this. There you go And by the way guys I'm not trashing these youtubers. No, they're all they're awesome. I love them all Someone like dreamcast guy. I know Jay. I've talked to on a regular basis um The the great people but like and I don't think they're faking anything or like nothing nothing against any of these guys I just think youtube can be done better and um I think if I just make a general video and I just use some examples from their stuff rather than call them out specifically Um, just be like, yeah, so I was watching like, you know, spawn wave news I'm like instead of like an expose video. Am I exposing when I'm well, I guess I'm exposing I'm not exposing for a negative what I'm saying is it might be a calling like hey, Nintendo youtubers We need to be better about this We need to be better about providing backups to what we're saying because even if we say where it comes from in the video Uh, you're not providing an easy access point for people to verify what you're saying For sure making them have to dig and search for it if people want to verify you and because people don't want to do that It's an automatic assumption That what you're saying is correct and they just trust you and I'm not saying they shouldn't trust you But it's one of those that if you if they can't verify you could be making something up and no one would even know Yep So It's good. It's good for sure. I know We trust me one of the things I hate is when I like I there was I have 50 tabs open on my yes Yes, he does you know what a lot of those tabs are sources That I haven't hyperlinked and I've had and I've had multiple times. I've been here. Where the hell's that damn tab? Ah They're different news stories that I'm sourcing in prime news or something that I that I have to add in the description It's it's just like that. No for sure for sure and I I think you're you're so talented You're the the talent level you have I wish the potentials. Yeah. Oh my god. I wish I had that talent Especially the video editing like oh my god, it's so good but Yeah That's really all I have to say on this. Uh before we sign out and yes extra long episode You guys deserved it. It's been three weeks. You guys deserve this long episode Uh before we sign out, uh, we do have to shout out some of our patrons Uh, so you want to go with the ten dollar backers? 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Um, anyways Uh, thank you guys and thank you to all of our patrons for your continued support I'm making this podcast possible almost weekly Usually weekly And making a lot of other things possible at uh at the at the studio at nintendo prime Making some of our other content possible beyond that Um, like our new uh weekly editorial that I do which is Fun, I like I like doing those ones pre scripted pre-written runs me back in the old zeldin former days. It's kind of nice Uh, all right. That's gonna do it. Well, I am your host I don't even think we said our names today. Nathan do an awful chance And who's this who's this guy here that hey has his own nintendo shirt? By the way, I gotta call this out today. I he said he's had it for a while I never knew he had it any time you've seen him wear like the purple nintendo shirt Or like one of these jackets like or nintendo like it's all in my stuff I'm pretty sure I've worn this before for a podcast Maybe when we weren't on video. 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Uh, yeah, you can follow me on twitter at ninty prime Yeah, how about you at emo 8790 awesome Is there anything, uh, you want to shout out before we get out of here? Yeah, I'm good. No no shout outs. No shout outs Well, I'm gonna shout out something that I previously talked about. Um, if you're someone who hates jake paul understand go watch chain dawson series um, it's I'm not saying it's gonna make you like jake paul. I'm not sure I even like jake paul, but uh Helps us and is doing it adds context. Yes context. I think always matters. Yes Um, and he's done others here by the way, this isn't his only person he's examined. So, um, go go watch Justin's content in general good good good content maker one of the only content makers on youtube that can consistently make 45 plus minute long videos And you watch all the way to the end There you go. So he's like one of the only people on youtube doing stuff like that. Um, Someone's gonna mention someone like man. I do metosis in his two hour Okay. Yeah, okay. He's not the only one All right, you caught me and in this podcast. It's just probably now reaching three hours. Oh, it is three hours All right, fantastic. Actually, it's not because I realized that but still yes. All right. We'll catch you guys in the next one