 Bleed pastors? Senior pastors? I would say for, I would say if there was ever need female pastor, it would be the exception. Not the rule. Not the rule. So it's like, God didn't really design it this way, but God can still use it. Absolutely. Okay. How can anyone say that God doesn't want to use women to speak about him, to speak about him in the church? So, you know, there's no gender when it comes to doing God's work. We can, we have to all be humble and we have to all be servants of the most high. It's not about who we are. It's only about who we are in Christ. These titles mean nothing when it comes to. I'm sorry. I'm sitting and looking at something before I came on and it just kind of got me thinking. But when you look at how we use the Bible, there's probably, there's not many topics where you're going to see people who are going to maybe ice ajeet, read in, or in some cases even intentionally twist passages more than this subject. Now, there needs to be some clear distinctions brought out on some of the topics, on some of the titles that we use. And so we'll do that. But I want to make sure that I also get, give an opportunity for anyone who might disagree if you have an argument that goes contrary to what I'm saying, that goes contrary to what has been accepted as Orthodox Christian teaching as well as practice. If you believe that there is a place, that it's okay for a woman to occupy the role, the position of a pastor, a leader, or a teacher, not that she can't speak or anything like that. We'll deal with that in a second. And we'll deal with really what the biblical role is for her in the church. But if you disagree, fine. I want to see your disagreement. Now, what I want to do is also play some other people and there's some disagreements that are there. And I want to play them and let's see if what they say makes sense. A woman teacher, so are you saying you don't like the fact that I'm a woman and teaching because women have been teaching since the times of Jesus? Well, why would I not say the, I don't like the fact that you're a woman. I would, why would I not like the fact that you're a woman? I don't have anything against women. And do I have anything against what you're teaching? I don't have anything against you teaching. Now, who you're teaching, how you're teaching, that does matter. And so I don't know what, I don't have a problem with you. I have a problem with someone taking the scriptures and not applying them properly. And so if you see yourself as a woman who is qualified to teach in the church and teach men, well then I'd be interested in seeing your biblical defense as well. Now, I'm going to, I am a woman teacher of the Bible absolutely. So is my grandmother and so are you all, hold on, are you all the, okay. And so are all the women in my church the domination for hundreds of years and we're not going to stop. You don't have to stop. I can't make you stop, but I'm not the one that's going to reward you or punish you. So, but yeah, you haven't even heard my point. So that being the case. And listen, what I may end up doing, what I may end up doing is allowing you, since you are a teacher, to come on, to come on and make your case. So if you, if you want to, matter of fact, let me know. If you want to come on and make your case, let me know. I'll go ahead. Now, I haven't done that lately, but I'll go ahead and give you the opportunity to come on and make your case. So that's if you want to. And I may offer that to other people as well. But what I want to do is I want to also look at, maybe Rick, huh? What I want to do is look at some of the other arguments. I'm not sure what your arguments, what your defense might be, but it might not, it might be what theirs is. It might, it might be something different. And so let's hear some of these other arguments and then let's, let's apply them to the scripture, shall we? So let's start off with Ms. Catherine Crick. Okay, women, you guys need to keep silent in the churches. Ask your husbands at home. Apostle Paul was not saying that for all women, he was just speaking that for these women at that time, because of what they were doing. So because of what was going on, Apostle Paul used wisdom for this moment in time and spoke a prophetic direction. We also see Apostle Paul using women in his ministry. He sends Phoebe to deliver the Epistle Romans. She would have been delivering it. She would have been sharing her words about the word of God. Now we're going to look at how they take some of these people and do different, I think, some gymnastics, how Phoebe becomes more than what she is, how Junia, we don't even know if Junia is a man or a woman, how Priscilla becomes more than what she is, how Nympha becomes more than what she is. We're going to, we're going to look at that in just a little bit, but if you notice what she's saying, that Paul is making this statement because of how women were at that time kind of out of order and so forth. Well, yeah, because we don't have that problem today. Today we have no problem with women being out of order and disrupting the church, do we? Now we also have the same problem with men, but certainly not no problem at all with women. Truth junkie says, yes, women can teach. Okay. I believe women can teach, but again, who? And in what capacity, what setting? And so that's the issue. So again, if you guys believe that women can teach or have authority over men or teach men in the church setting, well then I'm going to offer you the opportunity to make your point either in the chats or possibly let you come on. Jesus chooses to appear after he resurrected to a woman. One account says Mary Magdalene, another account says Mary Magdalene, and another woman. Now, this was not accident. It wasn't like Jesus didn't know who he was going to appear to first. God chose to reveal himself resurrected for the very first time to women. And okay, okay. God chose to reveal himself to women. What does that mean though? What does that mean? Does that mean anything to, what are we to make of that? Because what they'll say is, and you'll hear her say, and you'll hear other people say it as well, that they then become the first preachers or they evangelize. Matter of fact, listen to what she says. And we see him say, Mary, go share with others, share with the other disciples that I'm alive, that you've seen me. Him saying that, he was saying, share the gospel. Spread the gospel. That's what the gospel is, that Jesus is alive. How can anyone say that God doesn't want to use women to speak about him? So they're going to tell, I'm sorry, they're going to tell the disciples, the apostles, that Jesus is alive. And so they are going to spread the gospel. To who? They're not going to spread the gospel to Peter and to James and Bartholomew and to John. No, they know it. These were the, because again, as she said, it was not Jesus, the Lord chose who to appear to. He also chose who to make his disciples. He also chose who to make his apostles. So if we're going to make this leap that because he chose, or because he appeared to these women, okay, well then you got to also add even more validation to the fact that he chose, literally chose, men, if that's what we're going to do. If that is what we are going to do. I mean, let's just, let's be consistent here, Catherine. And richly, it's rich that she as well as others want us to kind of keep things in context. We'll come back to that in a second though. To speak about him in the church. Apostle Paul says, let your woman keeps silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak, but they are to be submissive as the law also says. Why did he preach that? When you look at scripture, you need to look at the time period and you need to look at the context, what was going on at that church of Corinth. The women in the church were being loud and distracting during church. That's just what they were doing at that time because they were being that way. This obviously was making it so God's word was not being able to go forth because there was so much distraction. It was messing with the work of God. Okay, because there was so much distraction. I like that she used it. I like that she used it. Let me pull a couple of these up. In the church, men are the head, but women can certainly teach. Teach who? The question is, can they teach men? Can they teach men? Should women not be any leadership position within the church? Not over men. That's my contention. That's my biblical contention. I'm going to lean on the scriptures on that. I don't see any basis for it being otherwise. But again, we're going to look at other people's examples. I want to see, and I'm scouring around. I need to have something. I'll tell you what. Let me know. Get my attention. Make sure I know I see that that if you believe that women can indeed be, have a leadership position in the church. By the way, before I get to go too far, before I go too far, let me also thank you guys who have given Superchats already. Lovely. Sheila Kimbrough. Romans 8 too. I'm going to do that. Ethan and Gerard Hicks. Thank you so much. So what's going to happen is, and we're going to see examples of how people take certain passages and when I say clear, ice-eating, it is. I think the desire to want to be relevant, not to appear chauvinistic and so forth. But listen, there's a clear difference between men. Sarah asks, is a woman a youth pastor? Okay. Well, I mean, this is how I had it. When I was a youth pastor and I was over the youth and young adult, we did, I did have women in certain roles. It wasn't an official position. But in terms of working with the young ladies, because listen, as teenagers, there's just certain things with these teenage girls, some of the young adult women and so forth, that it's not needed or necessary for me to be there. As a matter of fact, it's preferred some to kind of cover yourself. And so if you want to call a woman the girl's pastor, I don't have a problem with that. I really don't. And we're going to talk about this term pastor in just a little bit. I don't really have a problem with that. But in terms, but, but here's the problem though. When you put the title on the end, it might become a bit confusing to others who come in and see, hey, this is pastor Mary or pastor, and then wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, pastor who, what Mary? So that's why I wouldn't, and we didn't, we didn't call them pastor anything or minister anything or deacon or deaconess or anything, just for the sake of any kind of confusion. So far, so we'll get there. Anyway, Sean, thank you for the super chat as well as Tommy. Thank you guys as well. Now I want to play something that was disheartening. And let me just say this. And I don't want, I don't, I don't want to be mean. I don't want to be rude. But when I hear this comment on the other side, I'll give you my fairly rude response. And I think is, I think, I think he's earned it. Places where I feel like, you know what? I'm not clear on if women should be elders. I'm not clear on if women should lead churches, right? I think it's a case by case scenario. I got saved at God's Way of Holding this Fellowship on January 14th of 1996. Maxine Hardy Ross was the lead pastor of that church. Now, a couple of things. One, let me deal with the last part you said about him getting saved at a church where someone was a pastor. Can that happen? Well, people get, people actually come to Christ, believe it or not, at a Jehovah's Witness kingdom home at a Mormon church, because again, it's them placing their faith in Christ and then the Holy Spirit ends up moving them. That's what ends up happening. We're not saying that the Lord won't use whomever, but to make the statement that God wants it this way and God is okay with it being that way. God is not okay with that happening. And this is why, to be honest with you, the other thing that he said, this is why whenever I listen to Tim Ross, it's like the more that I hear him speak, the less impressed I am with him, the less I want to hear him not speak. Say something that we can agree with you. There are things he'll say that I can agree with, but then five minutes later it's like, why are you talking? Because what did he just say? I'm not, let me play it again. Let me play the first part of what he just said. Places where I feel like, you know what? I'm not clear on if women should be elders. I'm not clear on. You're a pastor. You're a pastor. You should be clear. You should be clear on what women should and should not be. Pastor. We're going to talk about that word in a second because folks are going to say, well, the word pastor, that's just not in the Bible. Oh, really? We'll see. Or, or actually what they're going to say is it's only found one time. So we're going to deal with that. We're going to deal with that. And so we might, it's Friday. We might be here full of the while. And so get yourselves ready. Now you're going to also hear people, when they deal with the passages that Paul is speaking of, one dealing with all of his passages, and then the Bible in this entirety, you see some juggling and some moving around. You're going to see that. And then you're going to see people even try to, one guy, I don't know if he's really leaning on the Greek, but if he is, he messed up. Monkey moves that I got time. I'm glad. Listen, monkey moves, if you're the only one that has time, then we're good. Well, it might just be me and you. So, by the way, and I haven't been paying attention. Is there anyone who believes that women can be pastors or leaders? Let me know. And guys, by the way, if someone is in the chats and they believe that don't, don't jump on them yet yet. Let's, let's hear them make their case. Let's make them feel welcome. But I want to, I want to, I want to know. Because if I'm wrong, then fine. It's not who's right, but what's right? That's it. It's not who's right, but what's right? Again, is there a place for women? Sure. Does God love women just as much as He loves men? Absolutely. Absolutely. And so we cannot, we're not trying to diminish women. And oh, by the way, everybody in every male is not qualified to be a pastor. There are some qualifications, which you would think, once the Bible has these qualifications, that that put it into it, but I guess not. But I guess not. Now, someone asked a really good question. Where is she? She asked a really good question. Angela said, can a woman, I want to hear what you guys think, can a woman teach at a Bible college? Can a woman be a professor? Before I go further, what do you guys think? We're not talking about teaching the kids in Sunday school. But what about at a seminary or at a Bible college? Can she be a professor? Can a woman teach at a seminary or teach? Is there any capacity where a woman might be able to teach anything to a man? Just for he says, yes, she can. It's not the church. Yes to both of those questions. Yes. Okay. But now these are Christians, supposed to be Christians. These are Christians. Is it okay? 1689 says it's not a church in a church authority setting. Absolutely. If you just say as it is in the church leadership. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And whoa, how about this one? How about this one? A little off topic, but kind of on the same topic. Can an unbeliever teach at a Bible school? I'm going to answer both of these questions. But can an unbeliever teach at a Bible school? Huh? What do y'all think about that? Can an unbeliever be at a Bible school teaching or a seminary teaching? What do y'all think? What about an unbeliever? And by the way, we're not equating a woman to an unbeliever. That's not what we do because somebody's going to say, what are you all saying? Can an unbeliever teach at a seminary or a Bible college? Let me say this, it's possible for both of those to happen and it'd be perfectly acceptable because it depends on what they're teaching. Let's say if the seminary has a class on technology or law or something and then you bring in some expert who's not a Christian but is an expert in that particular field, are you with me? Because all seminaries and all Bible colleges don't teach or train for people to become pastors. The overwhelming majority of people in seminary aren't being trained to be pastors. There are a lot of women that go to seminary that aren't... I mean, so there are a lot of women that go to seminary and they're not being trained to come out as pastors. By the way, one of the leading Hebrew scholars here in America is a lady over at Dallas Theological Seminary. It's a woman. And she's just excellent when it comes to Hebrew. She's fluent in it and so forth. And so there could possibly be, we had a man come into our church and to teach, we had put in all the lighting, all the cameras and the screens and so forth and the sound. And we had a man come in and teach for about two, three, four weeks on how to deal with all of the sound stuff, the lighting and so forth. And he was not a Christian. Now we tried evangelize to the guy, but still, was that wrong? No, it wasn't wrong. The guy was an expert and we needed to make sure that we had this stuff running right. So, but I don't... Now keep put a pin in that because that is going to kind of dovetail into something that is brought up in 1 Timothy 2. So, but that was a good question. Matter of fact, two very, very, very, very, very good questions. By the way, Sheila, thank you so much for your chat. I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. All right. So now let's jump back into it. This is... Do I want to go to him next? No, I want to save him. I want to save him. Thank you, man. You're the super sticker. I want to save him. I'm going to bring up Vlad. I'm going to bring up my dear old friend, Vlad Sapchuk. Hi, Vlad. But before him, I want to go to a lady named... I think her name is Dr. Melissa Scott, I think is her name. I've seen her a couple of times, just kind of on the homepage. I've never really listened to her, but then I listened to her earlier. And she's going to say something and like, have you ever heard something and thought to yourself? You kind of just made you stop, you paused, like what in the world? So she's going to say something and it might give you the same reaction that it gave me. Failure to grasp what was intended in the passage in context before you make an application to yourself usually will result in error. By the way, everyone that brings up this issue of kind of woman preach who believes that a woman can be a pastor or preacher or teacher in the church setting, they're always the one that's telling us to make sure that we look at things in context. While at the same time, they just simply don't. They never do, as a matter of fact, they never do. And so it's bothersome when you see that. How do we know the scriptures about women are not... I'm sorry. How do we know the scriptures about women not preaching are for today? Well, if they're not for today, then none of the other pastors are for today. And I know what you're saying because people are going to say, but in the context, in that role, in that... Well, you need to understand something, Adam. We have these writings that are canonical, but everything that Paul has ever written is not in the Bible. Everything that John has ever written or that Peter has ever written. Y'all do realize these men were writing outside of the Bible. They may have written a letter to their loved one. They may have written a letter to someone else. When Paul was talking about his letter to the church, do you know how many times that he wrote to the church at Corinth? At least three, possibly four or five times. Well, we only have to... As a matter of fact, when we deal with 1 Corinthians, that's at least the second time that he's written to the church. And so we're not getting a full grasp of everything that he said, but only what is beneficial for the entire body. So what is in the Bible is for all of us to glean from. Now, there are primary applications we can take from it, and then there are secondary applications. Now, remember Paul's writings... There are a lot of Paul's writings that are for teaching for doctrine. Are you with me? And so the letters to the church at Corinth certainly are that, and especially his letters to Titus and Timothy, both letters to Timothy and Titus. So that's the reason for those. Those letters absolutely are applicable, because if we take away 1 Corinthians, if we take away 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, if we take away Titus, and some other passages, and we say that it was only relevant for that time, then what about the other things that we learn in those books? Because remember, in those writings, the majority of what they're talking about has nothing to do with women. It's, oh, by the way, in regards to women as well. And so what about what Paul says about marriage and about children and about unity in the church? Well, so guess what? That means that unity in the church is no longer applicable. If we're going to take away all of 1 Corinthians 14, I mean, 14, then take away 1 Corinthians 1 and chapter 2 and chapter 7. What about 1 Timothy, where he says all scripture is God-breathed and inspired? What... let's take away that. So we can't just pick and choose what's relevant for that culture. Now, there are some things that are contextually applicable. For example, when he talks about a woman with braided hair, there were women who also had braided hair in other cultures, but the way they braided their hair, they braided their hair in such an elaborate way, with gold and so forth. And so we gleaned from the culture, because hey, wait a second. Is it unbiblical to braid your hair? Because we see other women in the Bible who had their hair braided. Well, so now that's when we kind of look at the context of the culture. But Paul is not saying just you women here in this church. So that's a good question though. So it's not applicable just to that time. It's eternally applicable, because there are some eternal truths that are brought up in there. But I want to finish listening to what she's saying. Another great one of these, by the way, is Paul writing to Timothy and explaining to Timothy that he does not, in this particular case, speaking to Timothy, he says, I suffer not a woman to teach. In context, it's, and I've explained this before, Timothy is being bullied around by very rich widows. And you can read up on this and make sure the context is right. Why? Because. Now she says that Timothy is, this is her, she's set in a stage. She says that Timothy is being bullied by very rich widows. If I look at the Bible at the, at all my books over there, and I wish I could, I could just go through and I did. I did. I went around looking, where in the world does she get this from? So Timothy was bullied. We needed an anti-bullying campaign then. Where? Where? Yeah. I've never heard, guess what? Requited, guess what? No one has, no one has. This is, this is her coming with this. Now she's, she's, when you get up and you say that you're a doctor so and so, well then, well, the doc, the doc says yes. Okay. We can't find that. We can't, we can't prove that guys. We can't prove that at all. We can, we cannot prove that at all. But that's her trying to set the stage. And so let's listen to how she sets the table. Because Paul does not say that to other churches. He's saying it to Timothy. Hey, Timothy, find a pair and wear them and wear them. When does Paul say to Timothy, hey, get you a pair? Now I'm just using her, her, her, her, her verbs, her vernacular. Come on, Timothy, get tough. Get you a pair. Okay. Okay. You're making it up, but okay, let's see where you're going with what you just made up. I'm making my, am I making myself clear? Failure to understand that. Brings out people saying, well, Paul said women shouldn't teach at all. They should stay silent in the church. That becomes error. And I'm telling you this because people who bring that mindset, tell you what they do. They basically say, I'm going over here to show you the opposite end of the spectrum. They basically say by virtue of declaring that God is not sovereign, he cannot do what he wants. He has no prerogative because Paul said. So what she, her point is this. Now what she's doing is she is basing or she is pitting Paul against God. And that happens guys. Matter of fact, that's becoming more and more common thing. Well, Paul said this, but God didn't. Paul said it, but God didn't. Well, if that's the tactic you want to take, then you can say that with, with just about every other writer. Peter said it, but God didn't. Peter said it, but God didn't. Jude said it, James said it, but God didn't. Now they can't, they can't make that fit. And so you have to demean Paul. Are you saying that they can teach in the, in the confines of the church in a, in a physical capacity? This is Pastor Mary. This is Elder Joyce. I'm not sure. So guys, when you say so, let me know what you mean. Be as complete so I can, so I can know and not, not really guess. But are you saying that yes, women can? One, let me know if you think they can be a pastor. Matter of fact, let's do this, let's do this now. There are enough people in the chats right now about almost 400. I suspect it'll be more. Matter of fact, let me, let me do something that I rarely do. Can I, can I just do it one time? Let me do something that I rarely do. I do it every now and then, but do me a favor guys. Can you guys hit the like button? Hit the like button for me. I don't really usually ask you guys hit the like button one because you all know where it is. Who am I to tell you to, or ask you to hit the like button? You got to like it after or towards it. I mean, maybe what's happening isn't likable, but can you hit the like button that way? I want to get some more folks in here because I want to ask this question. I want to see, I want to, I want to know, from a larger perspective. Okay. He says yes, they can be pastors. Why can't they be pastors? Good question. Glad jazz. But before I answer the question, my question to you guys is this. Can a woman be a pastor, any sort of pastor, not necessarily the senior pastor, assistant pastor? Can a woman be, have a position of a deacon? Can a woman be an elder? Can a woman have a formal leadership position in the church? Yes or no? You guys let me know. Yes or no? I want to kind of get an idea. I ought to put a poll up. I ought to put a poll up. To say a woman can't be a pastor, isn't that sexist? Well, not if God says so, since he created the sexist, then no. But there's a lot of things that women can't do, that men can't do as well. To say a woman, a woman can't be a dad is that sexist. To say a man can't be a mother is that sexist. God is the one. Do a poll. Can I, you know what? Can I do a poll? Don't go on it. Look at that. Look at that. Look at, I didn't know I could do one in the middle. Can a woman have a leadership position in the church? There we go. Ask the community. There's the poll, guys. I don't know if this is going to mess up anything or not. There's a poll. So answer the poll, guys. Answer the poll. So far, I'm getting a bunch of nos. Do I have a, I even have a plight? No, sir. I see a yep. So you all can go ahead and do the poll, but I also want to see who's saying yes as well, because I want to ask. I want to ask. I want to ask you guys questions, especially those of you who are of the yep persuasion, or the yes persuasion, or who say yes. So remember, I said, we got time, or I got time. I don't have a lot of time, but I got a little extra time. So let me just run through here and just as many as I can make a note to those who say yes. And I want to ask you guys questions, because again, there's no, that's nothing. In stone, it says that all of us that say no are right, and you folks that say yes are wrong, simply because of the numbers, because maybe in a different setting, we would say the majority would be, the majority would be yes. Okay, yeah, okay. Some of you guys are putting caveats on your answers, that's, which is fine, which is fine. Let me get a few more. Okay, women can be elders. Can I vote 10 times? If you got 10 accounts, you can click out, click in. Yes, she can lead women. Which, yes, she can lead women. I'm talking about over a man or a male in general. No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying, Renee. No, you absolutely can teach women and children. That's not, we're talking about in a position where they're, where they're leading men. So let's say they're up, we're all sitting down, men, women, old folk, young folk, godly folk who are bald head, and then people would hair them too. And we're sitting down, there's a woman up preaching, she's teaching. And let's say she's doing a series on the book of John. Is that biblical? Is that, is that biblical? There, there, there's the issue right there. Is that biblical? Okay, and folks are going to, okay, I see half face says, judges and Debra and so forth. Okay, y'all do realize, I won't, I won't go to, but if you go to Hebrews and you look up in the Faith Hall of Fame, you know, Debra's missing, but you know who's not missing. Do you know who's, who's counted in there? And who's not, Debra's not there, but Baracchus, you know Baracchus, right? He's the one that Debra goes to and says, listen, the Lord wants this and this and this, and he's like, no, but you go with me. Isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting? God doesn't account her faith, but accounts his faith. Why isn't she in there? No, I didn't write the Bible. So I'm not held guilty or accountable to it. I am held to, to speak it. And remember guys, God is not trying to be, God is not trying, not Barack Obama guys. God is not trying to be real deep with us. Why? Because he knows we're not that deep. We're not that smart. So when folks say, hey, you got to do this and do that and do this and do that. Okay, fine. And when they do that, when they try to twist it and try to go extra deep, fine. I got to, I'm going to go a little deeper. Now the last person, Ms. Melissa, is impugning the integrity of Paul. She's pitting, so far the poll is 27% yes, 75% no. Okay, cool. She's trying to impugn Paul. Paul said this, not God. You all have heard that before, right? Well, Vlad does something different. Vlad Savchuk does something different, which tells me, good question, good question. Before we go to Vlad, is it Javion or maybe it's Hispanic or Javion? Which one is this? I'm going to say it's probably Javion because your last name is Tangwell. So I'm going to assume that you're not Hispanic. But Javion asked, can a woman, being a woman, can they teach on YouTube? Sure. If a woman is teaching the Bible and men happen to go, that's not on her, that's on them. But that goes into Javion, Javion, Javion. Okay, listen, he wants to correct me. Let me correct, listen, let me correct me on this channel. Mr. You need to have a name, a good old fashioned American name, like Fred or Bob or Earl or Russell. I'm kid, I'm kid. I'm just messing with you, I'm just messing with you. That's a cool name though, Javion. Anyway, anyway, Vlad does something different though. Listen what Vlad says. I believe that women should be silent in the church. This idea is practical advice, but it's historically conditioned, not universal and timeless. And for those of you who are going to fight me right now and say, start commenting or, oh my gosh, this is wrong. You know, Pastor Vlad, you went off the rails. Let me throw you a challenge. The same Apostle Paul who said that. Also passively accepted slavery. Two things. First of all, what is he wearing? Listen, if you're going to wear you a rather well fitting turtleneck sweater, you're going to have to work out. You're going to have to do some curls or something. But that's the thing. But you already said it's the same Apostle Paul who passively accepted slavery. Where are you going with that Vlad? If you read the epistles, you will see Paul did not oppose slavery. He encouraged people, if you can get out of slavery, do it, but he passively accepted it. So does that mean that we should also do the same thing? Should we have the same view on slavery today as they had a thousand years ago? Of course not. And I believe same thing with the woman's place in ministry. So that was good for that time, but not now. What Paul said disregarded because it was for that time. I mean, it's the same Paul. This is the same Paul who was okay with slavery. Why should we live? Why should we put that much into? As I told you, you're going to hear some goofy things today. I told you, you're going to hear some. You're going to hear some stuff. What are you people saying? Yeah. So and by the way, by the way, I'm pretty sure Paul on this was pretty cool with Paul with Paul's view on slavery. Paul got Paul at least got one slave free. Paul at least have one runaway slave. So anyway, can I can I go ahead and grab some scriptures? Matter of fact, wait a second, wait a second. Before I grab some scriptures, before I grab some scriptures, I do want to hear one other person. And then I'll go to the scriptures and we'll do what this is. Well, a lot of you guys question. I'm going to also that we've asked asked before. I want to go ahead and jump into them. But are women apostles Corey? No, no, they all said that there are some. As a matter of fact, I think this next lady some random lady. I'm not sure who she is. You'll be able to see her name in the video. I'm not sure who she is. But I thought her responses were pretty interesting. Well, my husband and I are both lead pastors and Christian International, the organization that we're involved with. They ordained a husband and a wife. Now, I do believe that I am under my husband's authority in our church, even though I'm a lead pastor. But because I don't really feel that I can understand being able to lead and guide a man in our church. But my husband deals with the men and I mostly deal with the women. But the Bible, when you said about there being no female pastor in the in the Bible, well, there is. They don't call anybody in the Bible pastor men. Now, she just said, I don't know. I'm not figuring her out. She says there's nobody they call the pastor in the Bible, but there is one female pastor in the Bible. Did you all know that there was a female pastor in the Bible? Okay, so let's see what she goes with this. An orphan female, but Priscilla was actually sent from Paul to be a church starter. Now, she not only was a pastor, but she was an apostle because she went and she not only started churches, but she also preached and taught other pastors. So you see what they do. She was a she was a pastor. She was an apostle. She was a church starter and she taught other pastors. So you take something and you just blow it up. You make it, you know, it's kind of like it's kind of like somebody who who is I'm not demeaning it at all, but let's say somebody who's a janitor and then you kind of spruce up the title. Right. This is a trash technician. Right. He spruces up the title and add more to what they're really doing. So I fed the entire neighborhood, my entire block, but there's only one family on my entire block. You make what's happened even more than what it really is. So what I want to do is let's go ahead and where does she get that from? I'll show you. But let's go to first Corinthians 14. Let's go to first Corinthians 14 and your quality assurance. But you know, it's funny though. Any of you guys watch football or basketball? Any of you guys watch football and basketball? There are coaches that started off as quality control or this is the coach who's over quality control. What is that? What is a quality control official or quality control person for football team? What that guy is, he's the guy that's around the coach who makes sure the coach's water is his cup is full that he gets driven back and forth to the practice side. He's like the gopher or the secretary for he's like the personal assistant to the coach. When I first heard of quality control, what is that? That's a new position. It's just somebody that's assistant to the actual football. I mean to the coach or to the one assistant coach. That's all it is. That's all it is. So yeah, glorified gopher, which is fine because you've seen other head coaches end up getting their start that way. But we make the position out to be more than what it is. But I want to go ahead and start looking at some of these passages. First Corinthians, why is this on there? Oh, I know why I was looking at something else. Wait a second. Why is it on John too? I have no idea. But first Corinthians, let me go ahead and put it back on the right. What was that she was looking at? Oh, oh, I know it is. She was looking at first Corinthians 34, I believe. Yeah. Okay. So Paul is speaking. Matter of fact, before we get to 34, let's go to verse, let's start in 26. What then is the outcome? Now Paul is talking about spiritual gifts and so forth and he's been dealing with the most part tongues. And so verse 26 says, what is the outcome? What should we do then, brethren? When you assemble, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching. Every time you come together, somebody has something to say, has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, a language, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn in one must interpret. But if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church and let him speak to himself and God. Let two or three prophets speak and let the others pass judgment. Again, this prophet is just someone that's bringing a revelation. Two or let two, what are we both at? Let two or three prophets speak and let the others pass judgment. Think about what we'll say. But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one. This is how we know this is not what the Lord is going to do in five days or five years. That's not a foretelling prophecy. It's a given revelation. You can all do that. You can all prophesy one by one so that all may learn and all may be exhorted. And the spirit of a prophet or substitute prophet, for God is not, look what it is, God is not a God of confusion but of peace as in the churches of the saints. The women, and it's clear women, Gnaeches, are to keep silent in the churches. And by the way, the word for churches is the gatherings. The gatherings, the assembly. I'm going to have to cover what this whole word for church comes from, this word ecclesia. And yes, it is derived of two words ec, which out of or from and then clay, claytas or claysia, which is for the called out ones. But when the word is put together, it's not, it doesn't mean the called out ones. That's not what this word means. Even though the two words by themselves come together, you can see that. But it really, what the word actually means is a congregation, an assembly. That's what it means. And so in this assembly, when you come together women, he said, be silent. Now he's not saying you can utter a word, not a peep out of you. No, he's not saying you should be seen and not heard. That's not what he's, that's not his point. His point is what we see here, this confusion and you are not to be teaching. We'll get to this in just a second. But our subject to themselves, just as the law also says, if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husband. Now I want to focus on this. You see this word here? This word, Andras, it is followed by, I mean it's preceded by this word, idios, which is now, it's in the genitive cases, by the way, but I'm sorry, the accusive, but it's still possessive because it's the word, it's your own, your own husband or the word, by the way, for husband and man is the same. Same thing for the word wife and woman, same word. So when the Bible, and it's really, it's the same in Hebrew as well. When the Bible be an Old Testament or New Testament talks about husband or wife, man or woman, it's really the word male or female, man and woman. But how we know it's husband or wife is when there's something that makes it kind of possessive, either in the genitive, the husband of yours, or the woman of yours, or the man of yours, or his own idios woman. Well then that means it's necessarily a woman, I mean a wife, are you with me? Which is why you'll see the translation to be wife or husband. But the word is actually man or female, I mean man or woman. And so how we know it's a husband or a wife is that way, are you with me? And so, and I'll tell you why I'm saying that in just a second, someone's gonna bring that up and it's gonna butcher the text. So let's go back to it. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husband or their own man at home. For it is improper for a Gunnike to speak in the church. Now, is this improper for a wife to speak in the church or a woman? Well, there's no definite article to there, so it is speaking of someone in general. And so you would have to take this as a woman, it's improper for a woman to speak in church. Was it from you that the word of God first went forth or has it come to you only? So now, what others have said, and we saw Catherine Crick say that at that time, this was just for that culture. Are you with me? Now remember, she also brought up about, remember when this was? Well, I put it on the screen as a matter of fact, in case you all have forgotten, let me put it on the screen, our little timeline. On our little timeline, do you all see when first Corinthians was written, 1st and 2nd Corinthians were written in 54 and 55 AD. But then if you go over to the right and you'll look and you'll see that Timothy, 1st Timothy was written in 65 AD, Titus, 65 AD, and then 2nd Timothy between 67 and 68 AD, right? Which is important. The reason why that's important is because she makes the case that it was written at this time. But wait a second, 10 years later, to someone different, not in Corinth, to a church planter. Paul makes this statement in 1st Timothy. He also says something about women and men in leadership to Titus as well, 10 years later in a different setting. So this is not only to be taken in this setting because someone asked a question earlier, how do we know which ones should be taken for, let's say, that time? Well, he not only makes that point in 55 AD in the letter to the church of Corinth, he makes it 10 years later, in two more letters, two more letters to Timothy and to Titus. And what are Timothy and Titus doing? Timothy and Titus are planting churches. They're going around and naming and placing elders in different places, all right? Someone asked a good question. Let me go and see. I haven't been watching. Someone said, good question, Marina. Let me go and find. I just saw someone say it was a good question. Okay. If we're not under the law anymore, it was a curse Jesus freed us from. Why is this the one law we should still follow? Well, every element of the law was not vanquished. So if let's say the law said, don't do this, this or this. Well, we're not obligated to follow it unless Jesus or the apostles say, don't do this, this and this. For example, you should not murder it. That's under the law. But Jesus also brings that out, all right with me. Adultery under the law. But Jesus, the apostles bring that out. So we get those things reiterated, then we still go with it. Are you with me? So giving an offering under the law. Now, no. Okay. So let's go to this passage in 1 Peter 2. Matter of fact, before I go to 1 Peter 2, I want to play some, some, these are some random tick tockers. These are some random tick. I don't know who these people are. Don't know who they are. I think two of them happen to be pastors, which is scary. But I want to hear what they say, and then let's just deal with this. I know that God calls women to be preachers, and actually in the Bible, the very first gospel preacher ever was a woman. This topic is controversial. Did y'all know that? The very first preacher in the Bible was a woman. You didn't know that, but she's going to help us out with that. Because in the Bible, Paul writes to a specific church telling them that their women should remain silent. Now, her point is, if you notice what she said, catch these things. He writes to a specific church. That's them saying that was only for them. Again, do you all think that only what was happening, let's say in Corinth was only happening in Corinth, or what was happening, whether it be in Ephesus or anywhere else, that it was only happening. No, this is happening all the everywhere. This was happening everywhere. And so that's them trying to say, that was only good for them. Well, then apply that same standard, that same logic to everything else. Because you don't hear these very same folks who believe in casting demons out, saying that that was only good for Jerusalem. That was only good at that point in time. You don't hear them saying that. So they want to pick and choose how they apply it, which shows their hermeneutics. They're not being consistent. Consistent, because yeah, consistent. That's it, right? They're not being consistent. And if you can't be consistent, then all you're doing is just giving your opinion. It does this for a specific purpose, because the women in that church were being extremely disruptive during the services. So if you look at those verses in context, you can see that Paul wasn't actually saying that all women shouldn't preach. But again, if you look at things in context, they're always telling us to look at things in context and they never do. We're going to get more into it in a second. Only the specific women in this specific context should be silent. However. Why didn't Paul, who's under the guys who's under the power of the Holy Spirit, say just you guys here? Why give us all the letter? Why does it become canonical? And they won't be able to answer that question. In John 4, Jesus makes an entirely different statement by revealing himself as the Messiah for the first time to a woman. She then goes and preaches the gospel to her whole town and because of her boldness, many come to Christ. Now, let me say this. This is goofy. This is goofy. So, and it's true, I've said before, Jesus makes known who he is to the woman at the well. This is how we know that a woman can share the gospel. Matter of fact, all women should share the gospel. You're not violating, and we'll go to 1 Timothy 2 and 2, but you're not violating anything by sharing the gospel with an unbeliever. One, that person's not even part of the church. Number one. But number two, it's okay to do it that way. It really is. We'll look at this in a second. But she's saying that he's the first one that he revealed himself to, and she's the first one to kind of give a gospel. No, she, no. Haven't you heard of these 11 disciples? Or how about John? Who was the first person to have it revealed to him who Christ was? John was. John was not this woman at the well. I understand what people want to do. Let me close this. What people want to do. But you're making up stuff as you go, lady. You're making up stuff as you go. Now, let's listen to this next guy. He makes some points. They're all false points, but he makes some points. Women can be pastors. There's not a single verse of the Bible which says a woman cannot be a pastor. As a matter of fact, when we search the Bible in the New Testament epistles for the word pastor, we only find it once. And if- Now, have you ever heard that the word for pastor is only found once? Well, that's not true. That's not true. As a matter of fact, the word pastor is really an English word, but the word that's there is all over the New Testament. I get it though. These guys don't study, but they'll come to you as though they have. Did you know the word pastors only use once? Okay. All right, Mr. Ephesians chapter four. Now, surrounding this verse, do we see any list of authority for a pastor? No. Do we see any list of qualifications such as you can only be a male or a female? No. We don't even see any duties listed of a pastor. But I do not- Now, let's go to where he's at. And I want to go ahead and just knock down this argument. So, he says in words of Ephesians, there it is. There's the cat. There is the cat. Cats can't be pastors either. They barely- They barely- I take it back. They do make good pets sometimes. They're just annoying. Anyway, let's go to Ephesians 411. And he gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists. And here it is. And some as pastors, teachers. By the way, this is one. This is speaking the same thing, pastors and teachers. This word that he says is only found- He says it's only found one time in the Bible. What if I told you this word is not found just once? It's found many times in the Bible. I think you all know that my office is in the cat's bathroom. So that's what the cat's doing. I'm pretty sure he'll make his appearance. Let me move my cups out of the way because he seems to want to lick on my cups when I'm not paying attention. So how many- Oh, how many times? That's a good question. I haven't- I have not counted. And you'll find out why I have not counted because this word is in the Bible a lot. A lot. As a matter of fact, what it's implying is known. And so he says it doesn't even give the description of what a pastor is. When you find out what this word is, there's no need for you to give a description because implicit in the word is its description. Are you with me? This is why certain people just should not be pastors. That's why Paul tells Timothy to pick people who are trustworthy and that they also have to be able to teach. So let's go ahead and, by the way, I don't have my- Do I have it on here? Do I have my Greek warning? I know I've got a runner somewhere. I know I've got a runner somewhere. I need to go ahead and put my Greek warning up. I don't have it so- But we're going to look at some Greek. Okay. And he gave some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers. This word pastor over here to the right is the word poymenas. This word, the English word is pastor, but the word, the Greek word is shepherd. Do you see why I wouldn't count it? Oh yeah, Jay. Women can preach the gospel. They can preach the gospel. But again, it's how it's done. Okay. We'll come to that in a second. Because again, we saw in John 4 that she does go and tell people about Jesus. Now we cannot go like the other ladies said, Catherine said when Mary and other ladies are told to go and get Peter and him, that that's them preaching the gospel. No, really, if anything, they're delivering a message. So, but this word shepherd. Let me ask you guys a question. How often is this word shepherd? In the Bible. Oh, by the way, implicit in the word shepherd. Do we know what a shepherd does? Do we know what a shepherd does? Is that used in the Bible? Oh, look, look, look at our Christians. Smart Christians. Michael says pastor's shepherd is 173 times in the Bible. That is why you're on this channel. Smart Christians. Man, hey, dog on it. You know what? Cheers to you. I drink to you. I drink to you. Hey, man, I wouldn't even look it up, even though I could go over here and tap on this thing and do it. But I don't care because there's other passages where we're going to see this. How about where is this at? Where is this at? Tell me I have this. If I don't have this path, this path on him, I'm going to punch somebody. I know I. Okay, how about this passage? Look at this passage. Let's put them on the state on the screen. This is Peter speaking. He says, and not for sort of speaking about these people who are doing things for the wrong reasons. He says, not yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be an example to the flock. And this word is point me new point me new. Oh, which is shepherding. This is what a pastor ought to do. Shepherding leading them implicit in the word is the description. Are you with me? It's like saying, I want to be a football player. Well, give me your job description. I play football. I want to be a, I want to be a firefighter. Well, what does that mean? I'm fighting fires. I want to be a fisherman. I don't have to give you the description of a fisherman because I just did. Fisherman. I'm fishing. That's what I do. Where does Peter hear this as well? Another place Peter hears this. When everyone, when, when, when Peter, he didn't do what he was supposed to. He didn't do what he said it was going to do. He said, I don't care what happens. These other little chumps, these other little little disciples you got, they can run away. Not me. I'm going to stay here. I'm going to, I, Jesus looked at him like, no, no, no, no. You're going to die me three times. And then when, and Jesus says that, but when you return, well, when, when Peter returns, do y'all remember what, what Jesus said to Peter? I know you guys do. We think we hear it all the time because Peter denied Jesus three times. And so what does Jesus say to him three times? I remember, you all remember what happened? Do you all remember? You smart. You're smart. I know you know what happens. Jesus makes a statement. He says, yep, feed my sheep, feed my sheep. Simon Peter. Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these? He said, yes, Lord, you know I do. I love you. He said, tend to my lambs. Now it's not the same word. That word is here though. That word is here. He said him a second time. Simon, son of John, do you love me? He said, yes, you know, I love you. He said, here it is. Shepherd. There's that word again the second time, not the second time, but that same word for poema, poema, which is there. This is poema, which is, and by the way, this is an imperative. Shepherd my sheep. Well, Lord, what does that mean to shepherd? Pastor my sheep is what he just said. We take that word shepherd and turn to the word pastor. Are you with me? And so when we see other pastors that talk about what these leaders have to do with the flock, we know that this word shepherd is implied. So when he makes this statement, sounds smart, sounds good, but it's not real. It's not right. It's not biblical. This is someone who doesn't study, who will disguise their lack of study and their twisting of scripture to say, to show you that they that they know something when when it actually don't. But the random lady who said, pastor's only in there one time and this guy's only there one time and we don't have it. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Let's go back. Now I want to hear this, this next person. This guy, he seems to be somewhat deep. He he's going in. He this guy is going in and he's going to take us to 1st Timothy 2, as well as 3, as well as Titus. He says verse 15 undoes the whole doctrine. Know it doesn't, know it doesn't. And let me say again, know it doesn't. But let's continue. No, no and no. What he's trying to do is, well, you know what? I want to interrupt what he's saying, but I like it when when the person isn't familiar with the language and then tries to bring out the language to make their point. He's just a woman. He says married or unmarried. It's just, which means what? If you're going to, what you do is you, you, you throw stuff out. It's confused folks, the money at the water. Well now I'm confused. And so whatever you say, it matters. Whatever you say, I believe because I'm confused. Woman, this word, and it's not June. It's guidance where we get the word gynecologist, gyne, or, and it's, or can I, can I K or can I cause various different endings to it, but still. And he says it's a woman. I mean, it's a woman who's married or unmarried. That's just woman. Just woman. You don't have to say a woman who's married and it also means a woman who's not married. There's only two categories. Anyway. Third, whether married or unmarried. So context determines whether we're talking about a woman or a wife. Well, let's go. Now that's why I said earlier why it's important when you see this, how you know it's a wife. When he's talking about a wife, when we look in the scriptures about a wife, it tells us because there's something that's possessive of that word. Either it's got the genitive the with it in many cases, or many cases may have the idios, which means it's mine. So his own wife or yourself. There are words that go along with that to let you know that it means a man's wife or a woman's husband. And we're going to see if that is found in this text. It's not. Consider some things. When you hear the word submission elsewhere, in Ephesians and in Peter's epistle, he's talking to wives, not women. Would Paul and Peter say to wives, submit yourselves to your husbands? Where else do we see women submitting to men in the general sense of the word? All throughout scripture, buddy. All throughout scripture. The problem with that is we never see that he's going to say, even though he's not using this one, when we're going to 1 Corinthians, women be silent. What he says in 1 Corinthians 14, he didn't say that. He didn't say that about men. And he's not talking. So I'll let him make his point, because he seems to have some decent points, but they fall apart in a second. And just by virtue of there being a man and her virtue of being a woman, the first time we see women submission to men is between Adam and Eve, and God says, he shall rule over you. And who is Adam? Her husband. So let's read this as wife. A wife must quietly receive. Now, what he's going to do is he's going to take this text, and instead of saying it, woman or man, he's going to turn into wife and husband. If you're confused, I'll bring this up again in just a second. Instruction with entire submissiveness. Now, that's sounding more in line with everything else we hear about a wife with her husband. A wife must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness, but I do not allow a wife to teach her exercise authority over her husband, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam, the husband, who was formed first, and then Eve, the wife. And it was not Adam, the husband, who was deceived, but the wife being deceived fell into transgression. But wives will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. Here's why verse 15 proves that we're talking about a wife and not a woman. The Bible teaches wives to bear children, not women. The Bible does not teach, hey, go become a single mom because you'll be preserved or sanctified or saved through the bearing of children. The Bible doesn't teach women to just go out and get pregnant willy-nilly. It teaches wives to bear children. It does not teach women to bear children. Not all women are called to be wives and to bear children. You cannot make a general statement over all women that all women must bear children. It's simply not true. Jesus said that some are unics for the sake of the kingdom. That's men and women. Some are unics. The Bible is never referring to a eunuch as a female. It's not. As a matter of fact, when he describes it, he talks about the different ways that you can become a eunuch. And there's one way that you know it's not talking about a woman. Abstinence, celibate, and do not bear children for the sake of the kingdom. Their full-time ministry. So this can't be women in general because only wives bear children. Wives are to be in submission to their husbands according to the scriptures. When you translate it as women, it doesn't make sense. When you translate it as wife, it aligns with the other scriptures. Adam and Eve are husband and wife. I presented all those women in the Old and New Testament that were in positions of authority. They would be sinning against what Paul says here, especially Priscilla teaching Apollo. They were not sinning. They are not rebuked in the Bible. Priscilla was still in submission to her husband Aquila, even though she was a preacher of the gospel to men like Apollos. And it is possible to preach and still be in submission to your husband. So let's go to the passage. Let's go to the matter of fact. Let's start off in verse 8. 1 Timothy 2.8 Therefore, I want men in every place to pray. Now, him following his logic, we've got to say take men, men. I'm sorry, not men. Not men. But yeah, yes, we do, yes, we do. According to his logic, we've got to take this word men and make it into husband. And then when we see women, it's just wives. What's the first question that has to come up? If he's only referring to husbands and referring to wives, there's something that's happening here then. That's a big out for everybody else. Who gets a pass on these passages then? If we're only talking about men and who are husbands and women who are wives, who gets a pass? Who doesn't have to follow this? How about single men and single women? What about the widows and widowers? Let me just say this and just as humbly as I possibly can say, that's a really stupid take that he just took. It really is. It's not even grammatically correct. Remember, we talked about it before. When you look at someone's husband or someone's wife, it's going to be in regards, it's going to talk about his own woman or her own husband. Are you with me? Her own man, the man of hers, then we'll say, okay, if you're talking about her man, you must mean her husband or his wife or his woman. You mean his wife. And so we don't see this possessive here. We just see the, and this is in the in the accusive, the men. Andras. So I want men, not husbands everywhere in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands without wrath and dissension. Likewise, I want in the word for women, Ganaikas. And this is, by the way, again, this is not a possessive. So it can't be. I want wives to adorn themselves. This is women, period. And he's not going to shift from women to wives. Men to husbands. It's a coherent, complete thought here. To adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or causing things. Or are we to believe that this only refers to married women? No, this refers to women, period. But rather by means of good works, as it's proper for women, making a claim to godliness, a woman must, is it a wife or just a woman? A woman must receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow, and he says, now this is where he goes to the wife, but I do not allow a wife to teach or exercise authority over a man. Well, first of all, Paul doesn't have to make that point. Because no, in none of the societies, really, were the women giving the orders over her husband. Even those societies where women had more freedom, the man was still the head of the household, even in the Gentiles parts of the world. Are you with me? So, but I do not exercise men and women to teach over or have authority over a man, over a husband? Well, again, if this was her husband, it would be possessive. There would be something that would let us know that this is possessive, meaning the husband of hers. Are you with me? Or her own husband? We don't, we don't have that. We don't have that here. This is clear. This is why no translator puts it that way. I haven't seen a translation, be it King James or NASB or ESV, that would put it the way he just put it. But that's him digging and trying to find, him trying to find a way out. What do you got? What are you guys talking about? Women moderators. By the way, on this channel, isn't it half and half? Don't we have half men and half women moderators? I think that's what it is. Don't go on and get it. You all have an art, have a discussion going on, and you didn't took me off. Now I got to sit and think, who are the moderators? By the way, by the way, let me just say it again. There are no better, there are no better moderators on the planet than here. Let me see. Let's see, in the, in the ladies section we have, we have Dinah, we have Carol, we have Tyra, we have Latanya. On the man section side, we've got Scott, and we've got Chess Champ, we've got Monkey News, we've got Sean. I'm missing somebody. That's eight. Who else? Am I missing somebody else? Am I missing somebody? I think I'm missing somebody. I might be missing somebody. That's eight. I don't know why I'm doing my finger like this to do eight. Oh, Daryl. Oh, look, that's like Daryl. That's five. Five before. We got nine. Oh, no, no, no. We got Lisa. So that's five. That's 10. Wow. That's 10. You know why we have 10 moderators? Because we need 10 moderators. You guys get out of hand some time. We need 10 moderators. Anyway, so I didn't realize it's five and five. That was not intentional. It just is. It just happened to be that way. So anyway, so let's go back to this. But I did not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain silent. Now he even tells us why. This is how we know this is not applicable just to that point in time. Because he says before it was Adam who was first created and then Eve. So it was the reason why is because it was man who was created first, then woman. Oh, by the way, what did God say? Her desire will always be after you. She's going to just go after you. She's going to want what you want, so to speak. So anyway, oh, I'm sorry. I bought it in someone's immaturity. I apologize. I just happened to catch it. For it was Adam who was created and then Eve, and he asked something extra. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived. Now his take is it was the wife, a wife. But again, now was Eve Adam's wife? Sure. But the point was not husband, wife. It was man and female, man and woman, but women. Now his point is if it's man and woman, verse 15 doesn't make sense. It must be husband and wife. No, it doesn't. Let's look at it. Let's look at it the way he says it. Husband and wife. But the wives, by the way, it didn't say wives anyway. It didn't even say women just says, but it speaks about they will be preserved, but we know that it's referring to these women. But the women will be preserved, or these wives, let's use how he says that the wives will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. So that means single women won't. Single women will not be nor will widows. This is a goofy statement that the man makes. By the way, it's not even talking about that just by simply by being a woman. It's referring, I think, we think that's probably referring to Christ coming through the birth. I mean through his birth. It's not. No one really understands this particular passage. There's a lot of different theories. None of them have to deal with what this guy brought up. This passage is also clear that a woman cannot, let's go back, let's go back up where he says verse 12, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. Now this is two things. I do not allow a woman to teach over a man, to teach a man, or to exercise authority over a man. The Greek part is clear. The Dasgain, which is a infinitive, so I don't want a woman to be teaching a man. I don't allow that. Nor, and we know there's a distinction, so you can't teach a man, and you can't have authority over a man. Nor Athuntane, which is also an infinitive, so you can't be in that process of having or the act or the living as though you have authority over a man. Neither one of those. Neither one of those are acceptable. There's a difference between men and women, obviously. Now, I didn't make up the difference. God does. God does. Men are just different. Let me give you an example. Today, there was a fly in here. There was a fly. I don't know if it was a male fly or a female fly. It doesn't matter. The fly landed on my coffee cup. This is my prison-issued coffee cup. It's my buddy, my best friend. Been with me for a long time. He stayed with me when so-called friends did. This is my buddy. And the fly landed right here on this part of the cup, right here. You know what I did? Took the fly of the water, bam! Knocked it off and went back to drinking my coffee. A woman wouldn't do that. A woman wouldn't do that. A woman would... Is that disgusting? A woman wouldn't do that. A woman wouldn't do that. Because I'm a man. And that's why I did that. That's why she can't be a leader. She couldn't handle it. It gets too tougher. Sometimes, listen, listen, listen, and all that. Sometimes, you gotta do gross stuff. Yikertree, you say, yep, but sometimes... Well, protein. Protein. She said bad examples. I know it's a good example. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I did hit the... I did try to hit it. I missed the fly. And I probably should have wiped it off because I missed the fly. But still, I don't have time to be wiping stuff off. It's my coffee cup. So added flavor. Who knows what that thing would have left on there. So anyway, flies, lives matter. Amen, CG. But they make these points. They make these points. Bad example was better than Mike Todd's. Hey, man, thank you, 1689. They make these points that are just goofy. They make the point that a woman was the first preacher, those ladies at the tune that went to go tell the... No, Jesus, tell them, hey, he didn't say, y'all go spread the gospel. He says, no, go get these men who I'm going to have go spread the gospel. They're going to say that... Have you heard the term? Have you heard this lady named Nympha in Colossian? She was a pastor. A church planner had her own church. Let's read the passage and see if that's what it says. Paul in... Let's start in verse 13. For I testify for him that he has a deep concern for you and for those who are in Laodicea and Hierapolis. Luke, the beloved physician, sends you his greetings and also Demas. Greet the brethren who are in Laodicea and also Nympha and the church that is in her house. Now, there's some that might say in instead of her house, their house, but it's probably her house. So they're meeting in her house. Does that mean she's a pastor? Does that mean that she's a church planner? No, no at all. This is the problem that we have. When you take a passage and make it say something more than it, it just says they were meeting in her house. That's all it says. It does not mean that she was a pastor, a preacher, anything. They were just meeting in her house. That's the best that you can say. That's the best that you can say. But Corey, what about this person, Junior? Well, let's go to Romans 16-7. Greet Andronicus and Junius, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners who are outstanding among the apostles. So some are going to say Junior was a female apostle. A couple of things. We know this was not a female apostle because he uses this Greek word right here and who are outstanding Episemoi and Toys Apostolus. This is who are outstanding in this word. And among the apostles. He or she was not an apostle. And I say he or she because we don't know if Junior was a male or female. We have no idea. We have no idea simply because they say, well, Junior, which we don't know anything about because the name is feminine. Oh, that must be a woman's name. No, no, not at all. You do realize when we say Abba, that's a feminine word. That's a feminine noun. Abba is feminine, but Abba means father. So we know that's not just because a word is a feminine or masculine word. Doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything. Okay. It's almost like saying how there are men and women. A woman might have a man's name or you think it's a man's name and vice versa. Okay. Have you all, has anyone ever met a woman named Johnny? That's a man's name. Well, no. Or Fred, short for Frederica. So Shannon. Yeah. So by the way, Cory is a man's name. Good for anyone says that. Cory is a man's name. No, boy. I knew some Tony said a boy named Sue. I knew someone was going to say that before. There's a, yeah, there's a, there's a lady named Michael. There's a lady and a famous actress from Indiana. By the way, named Michael Michelle. Her name is Michael Michelle. So, but just so you know, Cory is a, is a, Dinah, we're going to have to replace Dinah. Well, listen, I don't know who named her wrong, but somebody named her wrong. You know, maybe they were just wishing. They could have been hoped. And I don't have a problem with that. Someone wouldn't want to name their daughter Cory. Just hoping, just hoping. Fiancé's name is Cory, but it's spelled wrong. He said, well, okay, we don't, why would you, why would you butcher the name? Oh, but it's a girl. Okay. That's different. That's different. That's different. That's different. Okay. That's, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Anyway, back on topic. Junior was certainly not an apostle. Certainly not an apostle. And we don't know if it was a man. Secondly, what about Priscilla? What about Priscilla? So let's go to Acts, let's start the first part of Acts 18. After these things, he left Athens and went to Corinth and he founded you name Aquila, a native of Pontius, having recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla. Now, remember I said, we know the word should be translated wife instead of woman. Look, look, look to the screen. To the right hand side is this word. Good night. That word means woman. How do we know it's his woman or wife? This word right here out too. It's the genitive of the, so the woman of his. How would you in English say the woman of his wife? That's how. So Priscilla is his wife because Claudius had commanded all of the Jews to leave Rome. Now let's drop down, I think it's verse 20 something where they're speaking to Apollos. Where is it? Okay. Now a Jew named verse 24 named Apollos and Alexander by birth an eloquent man came to Ephesus and he was mighty in the scriptures. This man had been instructed all the way of the Lord and being fervent in spirit. He was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus. Being acquainted only with the baptism of John. Very important guys. Very important. What was he acquainted with? Only the baptism of John. Where have we seen that? Oh, I know at the foundation of the church. There were four people groups that needed to receive the Holy Spirit and that folks knew they received the Holy Spirit. The first group, obviously the Jews. The second group, the Samaritans. The Jews needed to know that the Samaritans also received the Holy Spirit. So they spoke in tongues. The third group, the Gentiles. Acts 10. They marveled at the fact that even these Gentiles received the Holy Spirit and were speaking in tongues. And then what's the fourth group? These disciples of John. All they had heard of was John's gospel. That's it. Not the apostle John but John the Baptist. That's all they knew of. These folks were only acquainted with John's baptism. Are you with me? And so here we've got Apollos, faithful man, knows the scriptures but all he knows is the scriptures up until John's baptism. And he's hearing about Jesus and so forth but he didn't know very much. He didn't know very much at all. I'll get to Phoebe in a second. He didn't know very much at all. Let's go back to it. And so he was only acquainted with the baptism of John and he began speaking out boldly in the synagogue. In the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila, and by the way, no one knows how it got to be that five of the seven times they're mentioned that Priscilla's name goes first. Don't know. It may have something to do with the fact that the person is writing this. Is Luke. And if you go and look at the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, which of the Gospel writers mentions the women more favorably? Luke does. And so maybe that's an issue with him. I don't know. Who knows? We really, no one really knows. But that's not the point though. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they, not her, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. And when he wanted to go across to Achaia, the brethren encouraged him and wrote to the disciples and welcome him. Now, the point is this. You can't do like the lady said that Priscilla was a pastor. She was teaching pastors. She was a apostle. No, she wasn't. First of all, she was with her husband and we don't know who led. We don't know who said anything. We have no idea. We just know a husband and wife team is out here correcting this particular person. What were they supposed to do? Just that, which means you can do the same thing. Now, Phoebe, Phoebe was to be received as a deaconess, as a servant, not in an official capacity of a deacon. No, that's not the case. As a matter of fact, let me do something real quick. Let's go to where is it? I want to go to a couple of places because the Bible tells us what a deacon is or what an elder is or what a presbyter can be. It cannot be. It cannot be. It cannot be what they're saying. Here's the problem with all these folks who want to make women pastors. It's not mean, but it's God. Paul makes his point in 1 Timothy as well as in Titus, 10 years after the fact of what he said in 1 Corinthians 14. So let's go to 1 Timothy 3. This is a trustworthy statement. Any man, and now this word right here is tease. So whoever, a certain person. So this is not speaking of a particular gender, but a certain person. A certain person. I'm going to ask that question in a second. A reeling, rocking, and rolling. That's a cool name. That's a cool name. But it says if any person, if a certain person, a tease, which is, tease is the word for a certain person, someone, anyone, uh, aspires to the office of overseer, episcopace, an overseer. Now, what does an overseer do? What does it sound like? Just hearing the word. What does an overseer do? Overseas. That's what they do. They oversee. So an overseer. It is a fine work that he does. And again, doesn't say that he desires, but it says epithume, which is desire. And it's just saying that this person desires. That doesn't give a gender. But now we're about to. An overseer then must be above approach. The husband of one wife. Now, this is how we know it's a male. Because here it is. Miazgonakis Andra, which is a one wife man, or one woman man, which means, how would you say this in English? The husband of one wife. Okay. When we translate from Hebrew to English or Greek to English, we got to take it from a rough sounding Greek to the, I mean from a rough sounding English to the right way, a smooth sounding English. Well, this husband, this man fits only one person, one gender, that's us as men as males. It can only be a male. Are you with me? Temperate, prudent and so forth. So it gives the qualifications. And then he says keeping his own household and his children with all dignity. And then it says if a man, but now this man is a certain person, doesn't take care of his own household, how will he take care of the church? Okay. Well, even in that, we know it's still a man because even in that, in that setting, that's what the men do. Now it says deacons, deacons, deacons. You want to bring up Phoebe. Deacons. This word right here refers to men semnas. You may, you may, I don't think you can. I don't think you can, but get away with putting it as women, but that's fine because there's other parts to go to this. Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued or addicted to wine, or fine of sort of gain, but holding to the mystery, these men, uh-oh, move this up a little bit so you guys can see. Oh, go on it. These men or these must first be tested and then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach. Women must likewise be dignified. So now if we have Ganiakos, women must likewise be dignified. What is this comparing to when it says likewise? Likewise to what? To these men who are deacon. Must likewise be dignified, not malicious guys, but temperate, faithful, and all things. Deacons, going back to the deacons, must be the husbands, and here it is, Andres, of only one wife. And the word for husband is Mias Ganiakos Andres. Again, one woman man. So a woman does not fit that qualification. Now he iterates it again when he speaks to Titus. Titus says, for this reason, I left you in Crete that you would set in order what remains. And appoint elders, presbyterians, in every city as I directed you, namely if any man, there's a word, Titus again, is above reproach. Here it is, Mias Ganiakos Andres, which is husband of one woman. Man of one woman, or how we say this, one wife to this husband. So it's got to be a male. It's got to be a male. For the overseer, and it goes back to how we labeled it in 1 Timothy. Okay. So if you give the qualifications, you did cannot come back around and turn around and say, well, I know you gave the qualifications, but still, but still, I think. Now the problem is, are there some that have mistreated women? Yes, there have been. Yes, there have been. But that does not invalidate what God's word is said. The role for the woman in the body. They can serve, and you can call them servants, or you can call the generic understanding of deacon. You can say that, but they're not in an official capacity. Are you with me? They're not officially deacons in that position. So you can't use it in that way. Phoebe was, and all she was doing was really delivering a letter. Phoebe was simply delivering a letter. She wasn't preaching. She wasn't doing it. She was just delivering. Now, we don't know what other things she did to serve. But she, like the other women that were with Jesus, they just served, which was a good thing. And you also have men that served. Are you with, can a, somebody make a good question. Can a divorced man be an elder, especially since having more than one wife at the time was not in the culture? At that time, you could have had more than one wife. At that time, legally. Here is the question. Does the Bible say that if a man has been divorced, could he be a pastor? Could he be, could he be a shepherd? It just says, it just says one woman man. That's what it says. Does God know, and this is where we, where we can get out something from. Does God know, does God have the foresight to think that some man might get divorced and want to still be a pastor? Yes. Now, does he cover that? Does he cover that? I think he does. Let's go back to it. And this is, and by the way, guys, this is going to vary from church to church. This is going to, this is going to vary. Okay. And by the way, by the way, and Vance brings up a point as well. What about, what about a man who's not married? What about a man who is not married? Can he be one? Because it says a one, a one husband, I mean a one woman man. Well, that means that he has to have a woman. No, no, no. First of all, we look at Jesus, the first example. But secondly, Paul. Third, we don't know if any of the other apostles had spouses. John was a young one. And we don't know, we don't know if he was married. The only, there's only one apostle that we know of. I think, no, I'll take it back. Well, yeah, there's, no, there's one apostle who we know for sure had a spouse, only one. That's Peter. The rest of them might have, but we just, we're just not told that, so we don't know. But if we look at, at this passage, is there a way to either negate, to either accept or to deny a man who has been divorced or been engaged in any other sort of sin? Is there a way to say that he can be qualified or disqualified to be a pastor? Is there a way? Yes, yes, there is. And we don't have to use this issue of divorce. Here's why. If a certain person, if a certain man, any man aspires to the office of an overseer, it is a fine work that he desires. It is a fine work that he desires, a good work, Kalu. An overseer must then, here it is, must be above reproach. That person cannot be a person that's in sin or even known to be. He's got to be respectable. Cosmium, which means he has, we got to respect this person. Then you got to drop down a little bit further and look at this part. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church. So in other words, a couple of things that's going to govern whether this person is qualified, other than the fact that he's a male, other than the fact that he can teach, other than the fact that he's hospitable, other than the fact that he's not a drunker or what have you into substances, other than the fact that he's not out for the money. The way that he's seen by the community in the church and outside the church matters. Are you with me? You have to have a good standing before the people in the church as well as outside of the church. Well, wait a minute, why outside the church? Well, who are you trying to bring in the church? The folks that are outside the church. If they don't like you, if they think you're some scum, then they're going to come and listen to you. Are you with me? So it's important that you be a person who has integrity or that others esteem a certain character level on you. Guess what? There's only so much you can do about that. You know, does it mean there has to be 100%? No, because folks didn't think the same way about Jesus. Which of them are Jesus? A lot of folks don't like Jesus. So it's not 100%. So let's say this person did some things. Let's just run down a list of things that a man could do that what people say. No, no, no, no, no, no. Disqualified, disqualified, disqualified, disqualified. But if you're disqualified once, are you always disqualified? Here's the thing. So let's say a divorce. Let's say had an affair. Let's say killed someone. Let's say stole. Let's say slide. All these different sins. A drug dealer or in drugs. Using drugs, substance abuse, what have you? All these different things. Well, there are consequences that come with sins that just are. Because of these consequences, here's the issue. You don't get to determine how people look at you. And you certainly don't get to determine when they look at you favorably. Are you with me? Now, this applies not just to just pastors, other folks, other leadership positions in church, or just people in general, just you in general. Okay? So, one, these things happen. There needs to be some time. Okay? In the news right now is, what's the guy's name? Carl Lentz. Can Carl Lentz ever be a pastor again? Well, it's Hillsong. He's a heretic. He's his nephew. Let's just say Carl Lentz had a good doctor. Does the Bible say that he couldn't? Now, I've got my own sins as well. Does the Bible say that I couldn't? The scripture talks about how the person is at that point. Now, by the way, these qualifications are ongoing. It's ongoing and at the time. Are you with me? Now, someone will say, well, no, Carl Lentz, maybe he shouldn't, but does the Bible say that he is unqualified? If he's unqualified, you've got to find the passage that says he's unqualified. If a person has done something and is repentant of it, that's the first days the person could potentially be qualified again. But again, that other issue is, it was something that he's not a Christian. The other issue is this. How do the people look at this person? How, yeah, no one would be qualified then. Absolutely right. And that's the thing. Sometimes folks say, well, I don't like it. Well, then no one's qualified then. Jesus, Jesus, what about Paul? Paul killing folk. Sometimes we forget that the time between Paul doing what he's doing and the time that he's inserted is a long time. Can I give you an example? Even with me. And folks still bring up, you know, hey, what I did. Do you know what I did, what I did? It's been almost 20 years. It's been almost 20 years. Could I ever be brought back? Well, the issue is going to be how do people view me or view this person? If they don't, if when you see me or hear me, it's not the, if it's the sinful quarry, well, then I can't be your pastor. If what you see is this repented person or the person who is living for the Lord and following after the Lord, and you can, as Paul says, follow me as I follow Christ or imitate me as I imitate Christ, well, then you can do that. And the people that would follow, let's say a Carl Lentz would have to make a determination. Now for me, it hadn't been very long. It hadn't been very long. And so the question would be, because if a person has fallen, the Bible, now here's what the Bible does say, if a person has been overcoming the sin, then you who are spiritual restore such a one, but consider how you do it. Consider yourself as well. So, excuse me. Is there a possibility for restoration? Could be. Not always. Not always. That doesn't mean that because you want to get back, I mean, that means you can. And so could there be, sure there absolutely could be restoration, but there may not be. You don't get to come back and say, I think I should be. No, it's really no longer up to you anymore, how you live your life is, but how people see you, if how people see you, wait a second. If, if how people see you, all right, let me do this. If how people see you is a problem, they can't see the good in you. Okay. All right. Somebody got them. I thought I was going to ban somebody. If they see, if people keep seeing me in a negative light, and that's the prevailing thought about me, and I don't want it to be the prevailing thought about me. All right. That's okay, Corey. There are consequences for what you do. You choose what you do, as well as the consequences that go along with it. But now if it's changed, and God will fix that. If this is what God wants you to do, because I can't make anybody view me positively. That has to be, you look at what I'm saying, look at my wall, and then let God do that. But if a person's not, nope, nope, he's through. Nope. All right. Amen. Now, does that mean if some, if some one somebody or two some bodies, or 10 some bodies or 20 or 30 people, say that I don't like, nope, nope, never, does that mean no? Because there might be 5,000 that say, yeah, same thing with Carl Lentz. Now, ultimately it's going to be between him and God, who's going to determine whether he should be doing it. But now I would say, I've got a couple of things that I would say, if a person has done something, that person won obviously needs to have been set down and dealt with the character issue, the character flaws. Because again, we're talking about the scripture, does the scripture cover this? The scripture covers this. The scripture covers this. Dealing with the character flaws deals with chapter 3. This person is above reproach. This character flaw is being that these things deal with the character flaws, the underlying issue that caused whatever the sin was. The person I would say need to have some time out and not looking, when can I get back in ministry? Well, if you're worried about how soon you can get back in ministry, that means you really aren't repenting, that means you're really not caring about what the issue was and dealing with that. You're more concerned about getting back to that position. That tells me a lot about you, so no, you can't. No, no, no. Third, it's got to be some time. It's got to be some time, and it's got to be someone else validating you, verifying, hey, this guy belongs. This guy is useful. And then lastly, the people have to look at you, inside the church and outside the church. So could a person who's been divorced as a question is a long answer to this question. Could a person who's been divorced actually become a pastor again? Sure, sure. A person with any sin can become a pastor again, but it's going to vary from person to person, from group to group, from place to place. It varies. I've heard it several times, folks say, hey, Cory, you're not qualified. Well, what about the people in prison that I was pastoring? There was no, there's no, there's no chapel, no one around. What then? And the way we did it was, as biblical as we possibly could do it, in terms of, hey, we're going to grant this person authority to speak into your life and so on and so forth, and be accountable and so forth. The same way it was previously. So, but it varies. Now, a year, two, three years later, whatever, after Carl Lentz, could I? No, I couldn't. 20 years, who knows? There have been men who have fallen and along the way came back and, but again, you got to look at that person's character, their walk, and certainly their doctor. Amen. But now getting back to this though, there is no passage, no passage that says that these women qualify simply because God has used women. Well, of course, that's 50% of the population. Of course, God uses women. Of course, God shows up to women. Of course, God loves it. Of course, God wants them to, as the word says, to prophesy. What about phillip's daughters with prophets? Prophecy. Well, yeah, everybody, we all will give some sort of prophecy if we're reading the scripture, some sort of indicative revelation of the Lord. Oh, the Bible talks about men and women doing so. The Bible speaks of both doing so, and it's not giving a foretelling, just giving a revelation. Well, if I open my Bible, I'm giving, I'm literally giving a revelation. The Lord's, so that happens, and it can be men and women. But in terms of saying that a woman can be, what you're now doing is saying that God didn't have any foresight to think that 2023 in America was going to show up, and because let me just say this, and let's just stop saying that there are not, there are not any qualified men. There are more than enough qualified men to fill this role. They may not be qualified for what you're looking for, though, and they're in lies of the problem. You want someone to tickle your ears and tell you certain things. No, we can't have that. We don't get that. And so again, all we've got to do, if we've got the requirements, let's go with the requirements. You cannot add to the requirements, nor can you take away from the requirements. Yeah, Charles Stanley was embraced by his congregation after his divorce, and I'm reading, we don't know the whole story, we don't know the whole story, but apparently it was more on her than him, but it can't be totally on her because he's still responsible for his household. I can't remember, did he take some time off? I can't remember, did Charles Stanley take some time off? Because my counsel has been, hey, take some time off. Take some time off, get some things right, okay, because there was some failure on both sides. Definitely not, he definitely is not the man, nor was he ever the man. Yes, he did take some time off, okay. He never remarried too, and so when we look at that, look at the qualifications. There's a reason why he gave us the qualifications. And if you don't want to go with the qualifications, then why are you reading the Bible? If the Bibles spelled out qualifications for or against are not enough, why then read the Bible? But Katrina, when you say you cannot add or take away from the requirements based on gender or personal desires, remember though, God was the one that made the requirements based on gender. He did that. He did that, because you know we never saw, yeah, we saw some prophets and we saw some judges. There's always going to be women who prophesy men as well. But prophets don't necessarily mean that you are leading the church or leading the body. It's just like a judge that is not leading the church. But you know what we never saw? There's two positions, really three, I guess. Three positions in the Bible. That we see that are never occupied by women. Yeah, the apostles, obviously that's one. We don't see any female pastors in the Bible. You know what else we don't see even in Jewish culture? We don't see any female priests. And these were the people that are entrusted to go before the people and mediate between them and to God. And to have the interest of the people and to tend to them like they're supposed to. We don't see that. Okay, hold on. Dinah said, answer a question. Dinah, you're cheating. Let's see, where's Dinah's question? No, absolutely not. Should us women delete our channel? Can you answer that for the men in the... No, no. Listen, I've said it before. Let's say Dinah is up on her channel, got a camera on, and she pushed record. And she's just speaking about whatever. So let's say she's teaching. And her intent is because let's say she's got some ladies that she's talking to or she's giving encouragement. She can do that. Absolutely. But then here, dog owner, here comes Sean. And here come Frank. And here come Bob. And here come Earl. They show up. Oh, they show up. So now Dinah has to stop. No, that's not how it works. Let's say a woman is sharing the gospel with another woman. And some fellas show up. Does she have to stop? Let's say, let's say there's a guy who is distraught and a woman is around. No, there's a men around, but none of them are saved. This guy is just down. I'm talking about he's looking, acting, speaking suicidal. And she shares the gospel. Is she wrong? Let me go get somebody. Let me go find a man who knows the gospel. No, give them the gospel. Give them the gospel. That's when we go a little too far. Yeah, you can. Now there's one guy said, no, she can't even preach the gospel. Well, then you're an idiot. Anyone that says a woman can't preach the gospel to somebody. You're not even paying attention to the Bible. So she has to let the man perish. The man's not even part of the church. She's not exercising authority or teaching over this man. She's doing what the woman at the well did in John 4. She didn't have authority over those men. Matter of fact, they said, well, we heard what she said. And because of what she said, we came to you. Now we know for ourselves. So that's fine. If you've got a channel, a Facebook page, Twitter thing or whatever, what do they call it? Is it a Twitter page? I haven't gotten on Twitter yet, by the way. But a Twitter page, a Twitter hand, I don't know what you call a thing. Listen, let the redeemed of the Lord say so. Male redeemed folks say so. Female redeemed say so. All of the redeemed be they male or female. And if a man gets edification from it, hey man, she's not trying to use her as long as you're not trying to use her authority, as long as your goal and God knows your heart. If you're trying to, I want to teach these men a thing or two. And by the way, I know that's not what Dinah's doing. That's not what Latanya's doing. Lisa teaches women. That's not what she's doing. So, hey man and fine, keep doing it. Matter of fact, make 12 more videos a day. And if a man comes over there and checks it out, then hey man, then hey man. So, that's it. The woman wants to tell about how Jesus changed my life. Let me ask this for the guys only, and then we'll get it out of here. This is for the guys only. And by the way, thank God for women, because most time men get tired of being godly. Be honest, man, the game is on. Listen, I'll fast up until tip off. My fast is over after that. I'm going to pray up until kickoff. The dog's on his pastor's still preaching. Doesn't he know what time kickoff is? Come on, man, hurry up. And the woman, these women over here shouting and crying and praising God. Woman, would you shut up? We're trying to go home. Quit praying. Quit thanking the Lord, right? Thank God that even when men don't do right, that God still has women. But that didn't mean that the women take the responsibility and take the place of men. No one is saying that. Thank you, Jonathan, for the real question. Can trans men preach? They need to do something other than preach. They need to hear some preacher called a trans man. Oh, a woman. That would be a woman saying she's a man. No, no, funny. Can a trans woman preach? No, they're both insane. Funny, but thank God for the fact that women pray. They tend to beat us at praying. They tend to beat us at praying. So I was saying something. I was saying something and then you all threw me off. Don't know what it was. So I guess it wasn't that important. I guess it wasn't that important. But let people know. It really is. You're right, Dinah. You're right, Dinah. But let people know that you love the Lord. Oh, I know what it was. Carol's giving a testimony right there. I was still on the screen. You tell somebody about what the Lord has done for you. How many men have gotten something wonderful from hearing the testimony of a woman? She ain't trying to teach nobody just what the Lord has done for me. And that's what you're supposed to do. I've heard that before. I've heard that before. It's not necessarily true, but I've heard it before, Shining Rivers. Anyway, guys, thank you so much. But I want to address this. Actually, I want to address it in a much shorter time in only one clip. Let's just make this a live stream and cover this issue. It's going to keep coming up. And so you guys need to be after ready to defend the word. Be after ready to defend the word. No, women cannot occupy positions in authority, official offices or what have you, if you want to put that way, in the body. But they are certainly useful. As a matter of fact, let's just be honest. It isn't the pastor. It isn't the assistant pastor. It isn't the elders or the deacons that keep this thing running. It really isn't. It's the other parts of the body. Because what does Paul say? We tend to esteem certain parts of the body. The ones that we think are honorable as the most honorable and not look favorable. The ones we think are dishonorable. There is no such thing as a lower part or dishonorable part of the body. How do I know? Stub your pinky toe one time. And then the rest of your body is in pain. Tickle your little parts of your unarmed and the whole body is laughing. And so all is required. And so let's keep that in mind. And let's make sure that we love each other the same way. Be it male or female. In the meantime guys, I look forward to seeing you guys tomorrow for the Bible study class. And if not, on next week. God bless y'all.