 Andrew, welcome to simulation. Thank you so much. I have to admit I was a little bit nervous when you asked me to do it, which of course means for me that I must. So I'm very happy to be here. I love that vibe right off the bat. It's like, if I'm feeling a little bit of discomfort. Let's investigate. Must go there. Must investigate discomfort. Yeah, it's true. It's really true. But you're so relaxed and easy. And you know what I watch every episode that you recorded with somebody from NLS so far. And yeah, I mean it was just, it's just so off the cuff and easy going and I don't know. I just really loved the whole vibe. Just maybe realize, oh yeah, just yourself. Do you think. And there's room for all of it. That's what you do. You make a lot of room for a lot of things to happen. And you don't put a lid on very much. And I love that. So did you go to put it. Yeah, yeah, I'm really grateful. I'm really grateful that you've put so much love into what we've put love into which is producing the content. You guys can find the no limit society conversations playlist on the channel, and we'll also be adding Andrea's to it as well which is awesome. You caught it. It's not, it's not always so fast that people can catch what happens in other people's essence. But you caught it really fast, which is just total flow and total love and total space for the exact firework, the exact aroma that emerges from the dialectic to just shine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's one of my talents. That's one of my unique talents and natural things that I come with like what do they call it your puzzle piece you know that that's part of it. I'm able to recognize and translate just like that. Oh that's so good recognize and translate I love that. Yeah, for others. I do it for others exactly exactly. It helps me also to fulfill the other part of it which is like keeping things on track. Yes, things relevant, not allowing stuff to go off the rails and I think things very relevant for people all the time. You know, I mean a glorified accountability partner I guess. Yeah. Now I also know deeper why Mesh and Sherouk, we're also mentioning like like co-creating with Andrea's really important like look at this, recognize and translate. And that's another feature that I'm really familiar with so it's beautiful that you're beginning to unpack this because, in a sense, once you sort of get into these, as Bentino talks about this like these bubble realities that click. And what's happening is when you undergo this process of clicking in for this conversation this interaction that's happening. The more that you can register recognize the other person and translate to them, both what their unique essence is they feel like you care about them they feel like you're genuinely interested in asking them questions and listening to them speak about what unique they are, what part of their spiritual awakening process they're in. And within like a couple of minutes, you can just build this really strong rapport with somebody, because you know how to do it after going through hundreds of thousands of these examples. And it is happening. I do care. I think that's why I can access it too is because I do care. Like, you said it makes you feel like I care, I do. You know, so that's part of. I think that's part of what makes it precise. That's part of what gives it precision. Yes, and focus, because it's fueled by. That's that that love. Love, that's what it's fueled by. And you know it used to be quite a detriment in my life, because that was always my thing is I could recognize everything I recognize everything. You know, not just the stuff people want me to recognize. And so it used to be a detriment, and I have long since learned how to use it for not only my benefit but the benefit of the other at the same time. And that's just, I suppose practice maturity, discipline, purification. Yes. A really good, simple example for people is when you kind of click into these bubble realities. Can you keep at the top of your awareness at top of your attention can you keep, whether you're coming from a place of wanting to extract something from the other person to one of your needs or lack beliefs or wanting to be seen or trying to extract peace and happiness from them in some way, or when you lock in. Are you coming from a place at the top of your awareness top of your attention to serve truly like you said coming from a place of love pure love after purifying purifying purifying. It was, we were in conversation together when you mentioned, you said, locked in. Right. And so you get this one intelligence to one infinite creator you get that locked in. And once you get that really situated. It's much easier when you get into these conversations to be coming from a place of not needing anything, and just serving hold the holding space mechanism as well as serving exactly the needs of what the other person is going through to unblock to access freedom that they already are. Yeah. And, and, and you can. I mean the whole idea is to get it locked in almost unconsciously. Right. So that every time I open my mouth, because I open my mouth a lot. Every time I'm going to open my mouth, then I need to not have to think twice about where I'm coming from. So that's been a heavy and consistent practice and unpacking and inquiry for me over and over again, especially after interaction for a long, long time in my life to be able to be in this place where I don't really think twice about it. It's, it's quite rare that, you know, I'm not giving to the situation. The other thing too I would find myself in the past doing is, you know how you said fulfilling a need for me, which I mean I guess it is a similar thing, but fulfilling a need for someone else to like that. And you would think well no no I'm fulfilling a need for them, you know. And so it ends up being the same thing because of course there's only one of us. Anyway, so yes. And then once you realize that. Okay. It's done. It's an all or nothing thing. I mean this whole journey is all or nothing. There can't be parts over here over here all. You know, there's only one and but over here I know better than God. Yeah compartmentalizing so we chop ourselves up into these little tiny pieces and we decide like, well this, I need to make sure I take care of this like God can't take care I can't leave that to God. Are you freaking kidding me. Here I have to you know and this, but over here okay I can. And what we start to realize is that that's like that's not under that's divided. You know, and really, we want to come from that undivided wholeness which means everything is the same thing. And also, everything has to be imbued like I love what Richard said in the Costa Rica retreat about the infinite concern and the finite concerns, and how we need to bring the infinite concern down to imbue the finite concerns, so that we can remember that now they're not finite anymore because they're fueled by the truth and the love and the light and the awareness. And that turns them into sacred so everything sacred or nothing sacred. Gosh, that's so good. There's no dividing of this area will be the separate self trying to extract peace and happiness out of reality, but this area over here okay I'll let this area maybe like with kids. And sometimes a little bit more like, oh I had this profound as a parent, I birthed a child into the world, and now because of that I've opened up my heart chakra a little bit I'm less selfish. So now I'm willing to like give more to serve this child. And so now you've brought some sort of infinite concern to only one member of your family, you know type thing. Like, but anybody outside of the family, no no no no they're still solar plexus the ego is still strong there, but the heart only opened up for your offspring. It's so fascinating. How like that kind of it works for relationship to and you know having that one significant other, then that becomes the most important relationship in your life and everything else and every other relationship is less important you know. And you actually bring it in. In that truth. There's no difference between any relationship you have with anyone anywhere ever. They're all the same. They're all the same. They may have slightly different forms, I suppose, taste, maybe even taste is cool. And even, even then that gets transcended but it's cool to stay at the taste stage it's, it's cute. To switch between the lenses of perception for that, as you would like relate to somebody different than I relate to this person or that like I mean that's just not. I'm not an integrity. I'm not in it where's my integrity. You know how I show up depends on who I decide I'm going to be not who anybody else is the reason. And that's when we say the locked in then you're always perpetually showing up from the place of intelligence infinity at play with itself, and therefore serving the creation awakening truly shepherding it in a non attached way. I need to do this for me to feel better because I'm the agent that is serving the creation awakening to be seen as that there's all these little tricky nuances, you mentioned this and I thought this, I thought this was really interesting. It's that you don't need to think twice about when you where you're coming from. I feel like this is a very advanced level of spiritual awakening and I feel like it could be useful for us to unpack this on the show. So, I would say that the, the moment when you realize that you've been coming from a place of separation perpetually is like the first profound like wow, like I get that I've been coming from that place perpetually and then you sort of begin to sort of see over and over and over again like okay so there's the streams of where I can come from God from intelligence infinity versus come from my separate contracted person condition identity. And then you over time you, you know you pick more and more towards this until it locks in. And as it locks in, then these conditioning still occasionally kind of bubble up but you're in a much more place. And so you can see them coming you can see them coming at that point, but you know the first realization that you're talking about the first one where you realize you're in a thief and you have been your entire fucking life. That all you ever do is pretend in order to get people to like you or accept you or believe you in order to make your space when you realize that like when you actually realize that in your life. It's devastating. It's devastating. It's so devastating. devastating. Okay. And I mean, and it's and it's okay. I feel like it's okay if it's devastating. Allow it to annihilate you. Because, as Gangaji would say, allow your feelings to annihilate you and you will find that which cannot be annihilated. Beautiful. So, then you have to recover, like, then it takes some time to recover from that for many. There's a grief that comes along with that, you know, forgiveness. You know, I really think that that's one of the first stages of the know yourself accept yourself become the creator. I think that's one of the first stages of knowing yourself is when you realize, oh my God. I'm a fraud. And I've been a fraud my whole life. Yeah, so then then we go from there. And if people stick to it, if people can recover can indeed recover from that. Well, then there's only one directionality to go now and it's more awareness in order to like vigilantly practice. And then every interaction is on the chopping block. It's like, why did I say that? How come this, why this, why that until you get really used to seeing your lack in action, your fraudulence in action. And then it becomes identifiable very quickly. You know, and then you even get to a point or I did anyway, where I noticed it mid interaction. And even admit it or declare it mid interaction with whomever I'm speaking with, and then turn it around at the same time. And that's a trip. Like transparently in front of people. Shit, look what I just did. And you sort of share with them. This is what's happening for me right now. And I need to just take a moment to like, tell the truth about this. And then I want to flip the script and come from a better place. And that's so high level I love that. Fuck yeah. It's so just courageous. And brave. I love that. Yeah, that's a very high level of awakening again is just when you have total freedom with speaking the truth as it's going to hurt you to admit. It hurts you it's like a confession. It is. It's like a confession and every relationship becomes a confessional. Yeah, yeah, you know, wow, that's so profound. It helps. It helps me along in such a faster way than if I would have kept that process locked inside of me, you know, and beating my head against the wall plus I've since learned as well from many people that I did that process with for myself, who graciously helped base for me in those moments. How much they learned from that for themselves. And I feel like in that moment, I could automatically turn into service to others, just by sharing my process. Yeah, that's so cool. You know, and that's how come. I think this whole idea of transparency when we're in a group like right or wrong doesn't matter. Are you being real, even if it sucks, just be real. Yeah, just be real. Yeah, it doesn't matter. That's so perfect. Yeah, exactly. Perfect. I love how simple the just be real is, it's just so directly concise and punctual, and it kind of gives either if you're asking yourself just be real about it or if you're asking somebody else in the scenario just be real about it. This is the exact short concise burst permission slip to enable the. Okay, was that the truth, or was that an untruth, and then was that coming from the contracted person identity or is it coming from God, and you get to literally have the moment the it's such a quick permission slip to just do that check moment until you get it where you don't need to have to just be real. Yeah. Well and I, and, you know, within, I have a partner of 10 years, and, you know, we do our best to have as conscious of a relationship as we can, and, and just be real, you know how that translates sometimes for us is. I'm scared. And so I'm not going to do that thing or I'm not going to go in that place or I'm unable to go like so it's just as simple as being real enough to own the fact that you're scared shitless and you're not ready to go there, whatever there wherever there is. You know, instead of posturing and pushing and forcing and becoming that opposite thing. You know, in your ego that is just shows everybody any way that you're scared, but instead of compensating using compensated behavior and showing everyone you're scared anyway because who the hell can't see through that shit. Instead, it's like, just be real. I'm scared. Not so easy. But even from partner to partner, like in a relationship to be able to say that, then it's easy for me to say, Okay, cool. You got this. Like I trust that you're going to figure it out because you know that you're scared. So you know what to do. And cool. I can, I can go do me. Yeah. So it's a big thing. And, and what about a group setting. Same thing like how many people in a group setting, you know, all of a sudden, the topic turns into something and it rubs up against you. And instead of just saying, Whoa, that's freaking me out like that's touching everything inside of me that's making me angry or that's making me scared. No, what do we do. I'm scared. It's like, well, I think this or I think that you know we try to legitimize the fear by pushing it into some sort of like makeshift idea, instead of just admitting the truth. You know, sometimes you can go so much farther when you do when you don't have to go through all that. So that's oftentimes where I come in to keep things on track is in moments like that, where I'm just like, Okay, clearly, you know, you're scared. So where do we have to go with this. Do you need help right now. Can you talk to somebody in a minute. Can we continue with what we're doing here, or, you know, maybe it's not easy to hear, but Yeah, this is some ultimate space holding stuff. This is really ultimate space holding. I love it. We should, we should start a show ultimate space holders. Which is, I guess, in a sense what what NLS is kind of in a little bit ultimate purification. Yeah. Yeah, which is, it's beautiful. It is and it's like how do you how do you actually create anything or get anything done. I mean quote unquote, or stay on topic. When you can't be honest. Right, because then you have to veer off into all these directions and all those directions have nothing to do with anything except whoever's speaking their lack. That's it, or otherwise, we'd be on point with what we're trying and it's not bad. It's not a bad thing at all. It's inevitable. I mean that's part that's what it's really about. That's what everything's really about. You know, it's not about our job or our relationship or that's not the thing. That's just the thing to get us to pay attention to the thing. But it in and of itself is not the thing. We're not doing it for the relationship or for the job or for the money. Those are just the catalyst that help us to pay attention to the actual thing, but everything that everything from the moment you open your eyes, you are bombarded with catalyst. Yes, yes. So, if that's the case, then it's just like way better to just surrender every time, because then you have a chance. If you don't, you got no chance. You're just going to be running and bumping and running forever. Yeah, I love the visualization of seeing catalysts everywhere in a massive webbed play that the creation is, and that begins seeing like the complexity of like in Buddhism is called this dependent origination. There's all of these insane causal webs of thousands of things that happen for you to just get your blueberries. So there's all of the, and all these of us or you know, even your little, like you described a moment ago, you, you're speaking, but speaking from where is this speaking from a place of lack so that the other person can say, Oh, yeah, yeah, validate you, or where is it coming from like a place of like just a child like fireworking expressive. Is it coming because you already know it's all love. Is it coming from the place of potentially exploring holding space for unblocking for for others to enable more freedom of the life to wake up to itself. And that's a core, I would say distinction is both seeing the catalysts everywhere, because then you gain that hyper subtle perception to see that, and then it feedbacks on itself. And then the other one is that we kind of been talking about this but it's just boils down to in our, the title of the episode that we've been using is getting it. What, what is that is that as simple as we've been talking about is getting you being intelligent infinity, everything being intelligent infinity, and not when you don't get it. It's when you come from this place of lack from separate contracted identity. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And, and getting it can be like a really tiny little shift. Yes, a realization in the moment small. Somebody can get it a small little tiny realization that helps them to understand something about who they are. Or a big huge one, but either way it doesn't matter because when I work with people, and they have this just this tiny shift that enables them to get something about who they are even a glimpse. It freaks and blows up their life. It changes them in so many ways. You know, because here's the thing when you don't get it. You don't know that you're not getting it. That's the heart that's what's so difficult you want to know I'm going to tell you the story about this calling. When I was five years old. And I was having a, it was my birthday. And I blew out the candles on my cake. It was just my family. My mother, my father, me, and my two sisters. My brother wasn't even born yet. And I finished blowing out my candles and my father said, What do you want to be when you grow up. Yeah, and I said, Oh, I was so excited, because I knew exactly what to say. And I said, Oh, Daddy, I don't want to be anything. I just want to help turn the world right side up. That's what I said to him. And he backhanded me across the face. Hard and said, Don't ever say that again. And in that moment. Do you know what occurred to me at five years old with two things. Oh my God, he doesn't get it. In that moment I was like, I get it. He doesn't get it. The second thing that occurred to me in that moment was this isn't going to be as easy as I thought it would be. And that. So, so I've known that since then. And I was forcefully not allowed to pursue it. You see, for most of my upbringing. Especially like when we were talking earlier about culture and growing up in an Italian family and, you know, so that always factored in big for me because I had to obey. Which means I could never ever make my own decisions or do what it was that I felt was important to do. So it took, it took a long time. And now I obviously look back. And I realized, of course, that was all needed. I chose that pressure to take all of that and transform it. Yes, even just to show that it can be that it has really no. It never went away. Who I was never went away. Like, you know how Ben says, once you realize it, you can't unrealize it. So I knew it from five, it never went away. I was just fighting my time, fighting my time. I mean, of course, by the time I left my family, I was riddled with baggage. Lots of it. But simultaneously, that realization was there as well. So that's what fueled me. I was like, I got a lot of work to do now. I got to begin the work of disabusing myself of all of these defense mechanisms that at one time had purpose. And now no longer serve me at all. If I want to do what I said I'm going to do. So, what a profound story. Yeah, that's the getting it that I'm talking about. Wow. And I encounter people all the time who have that same mentality as my father. And I, and I get it. I get it. You know, it doesn't bother me anymore. It used to bother me a lot. It doesn't bother me anymore. Now I realize that all they want to do is get it. How can I serve that? Yeah, so how can I serve that? And of course I know exactly how I grew up with the king of that my father. Wow. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. That was that was a huge story from such a young age. You know, you don't have such, yeah, pivotal, highly remembered stories at young ages like that. And it was really interesting also how you said that you don't want to be anything but that you want to flip the world right side up. That was always in my head. That was always a narrative in my head for sure that as a child, I always perceived the world was upside down, but that you could turn it right side up. You could like upside down and backwards kind of. Yeah, that's been a common one of the sort of spiritual wisdom as well. Turn everything like outside in another way. Yeah, but I really like that in a sense it's like there's an attractor and it's Maya it's the illusion and it's, it's all the way out here at the farthest pole and then there's this other poll which is the absolute and it's like, yes, callback and you have these two poles at play and like this is the whole journey and the whole experience of intelligent infinity playing with itself happens. And even that's a fucking story because it's all just non dual. And yeah, but it's but it's funny to sort of like architect out a map that seemingly makes sense. And that's totally what you're sharing it's like you, you know, even from such a young age that there's like, why is it like, is this not supposed to be a play a play land, because, because it's both very much so, you know, heaven on earth, but it's also disaster on earth simultaneously, and we all know that that's caused by one thing, this contracted identity and that that's the thing that you then went after, but you couldn't go after because you were held back by this style of familial vibe, which is so common in cultures is like, I'm going to have a kid, and then I'm going to control the shit out of that kid. And then it's like, brah, like, give a little bit of infinity some of its will brah, like, you're just, you're just choking the will brah, like, yeah. And, and, and then a pressure cook pressure cook you, because then you, you know, you sprung out because who knows you could have went for like, whatever the couple of, like five year increments in the process of just sort of using of what you were set out to do and just kind of, you know, maybe went up a couple steps in the process, but because you were pressure cook so much like a frickin wind up toy. Then like as soon as you broke out of that, like it all unwound and you rocked it up like so many of these, like and now you're doing everything you're doing today at this much more sort of larger macro level view of what is possible. That's what it felt like. I mean, yeah, I mean the next greatest faith for me happened, maybe 10 years after I had, you know, I stayed where my, my father lived where my family live for quite some time well into my 30s and the end of my 30s. And at one point, I, I finally decided to leave I said this is it I'm leaving I had a child. I was a single mother. And I took that child and said we're going to move these we're going to go move to where my sister is. And I'm going to finally live my life on my own terms. So that's where that comes from. He said to me, when I told him, he said to me something that he would say to me that he's been saying to me my whole life. Every time I wanted to do something that he didn't agree with. He would say, if you do that, you are no longer my daughter, you're no longer a part of this family will no longer be welcome in this house, and I will never speak to you again. That's me ongoing Lee, at least once a week. And I'm not joking. So at that time, when I told him that I called his bluff I said well, if that's what's going to happen then that's what's going to happen. See you later and I left. And he didn't talk to me for seven years. And I, and I wasn't considered part of that family for seven years. I don't know what's crazy is in the funniest, most unconscious way that he didn't realize. He sent me free. He set me free in such a wonderful amazing way. And I was able to full speed ahead, go ahead and do my thing without ever again, having to look over my shoulder. And I'm grateful to him for this day to this day I'm grateful to him for that, even though he doesn't know about that. So, from that point, it was about 10 years later that I had another really profound understanding and realization. I was able to do all of my conditioning and especially my cultural baggage and all of that. And it was that. None of that ever happened. None of it ever happened to me. None of it. I am completely unscathed by all of it. That realization enabled me to clean up all the last little snail trails of baggage that I was hanging on to. That's what did it that was the momentum with that realization that like, this is none of this history you can you are totally unaffected by all of it it never happened and then it was just like, gone, you know, all of it was gone. I don't identify the way that I move in the world against my family of origin anymore. It's done. It's finished. It did its job. Doesn't mean I don't slip at all. Doesn't mean that. Of course I do. But that's mine. Not my family. That's mine. I'll be the judge of that. I'll be the fixer or changer or transformer of that. Nothing and no one can get in the way of what I decide to do with that. And it's free, very free. And pops. He really created that pressure cooker. Those are, those are really big ultimatum points, like, oh, yeah, those are huge ones and then, like, just that, like the courage that's needed to get past those to find these massive gifts and those pressures on the other side. And I really love how you go through you explain going through the process of deconditioning the separate self identity, and then realizing that it never happened to you. And that's like the second sort of profound realization that then enables the, the energy of the entity to sort of relax and surrender at an even more unprecedented level. And to sort of lock in as we've been saying the getting it of the one intelligence like this whole universal odyssey that we designed that was so beautiful that I went on as intelligent infinity also never happened. Yeah. And that's when you get this nothingness, this infinitude, and this beautiful Andrea that you get all at the same time. You can navigate through these lenses, as you will, because here you are telling a story about your little, you know, five year old cake and blowing up candles. Like, you can't flip the world right side up, you know, like that story one could easily sort of just be like, nothing happened. And one could easily be like I'm just empty full. But instead, it's like, it's like the beauty is beauty of being like, I can put on the Andrea lens and tell you this beautiful story that will also help share for other people in their journeys, what could be very useful and valid, as well, and helpful. See just see a lot of young people in that same place, especially now like I know I know like it wouldn't have, it wasn't going to go any other way for me because the strength of conviction, I was so much in my strength of conviction at five. There was just no other thing that was it, and nothing could change my mind. It wasn't even like it was my mind. I didn't feel that way. So that was never going to go away. And I feel like maybe that wasn't so, and maybe that wasn't as common at that time, when I was young, you know, for many children to feel that way at five or have that conviction at five years old, but more and more that's the case. I see it because we all are born at a different jumping off place generation after generation after generation. So I can see so many kids now that age or even just a little tiny bit older. And they too know they too have that conviction, but they're not allowed to. And it's like, it always struck me even at five years old is a weird thing like if I'm not allowed to have this conviction. And how do I have it. Yeah, it was such a weird thing when I was young. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you're telling me I'm not allowed that doesn't. It's not having any effect. Yeah, it's not effectively changing anything about the conviction. Yeah, it's so interesting how the week we were talking about earlier we were talking about like catalysts, like just swimming in this ocean of catalysts, but it can also be viewed simultaneously as this programming between entities of intelligent infinity. And they're just so interesting you got this like older software running. It's like, it's like, it's totally unblocked from, you know, solar plexus the heart let's say, and that you have like this kid that's like, in many ways we can say that kids have super unblocked chakras. And kids are just like, they're swimming in infinite possibility. And like a kid is wanting to. We've actually had. We had Maya were Midas on the show, and Maya is nine years old. Yeah, and she spent a good chunk of the show explaining to us how annoying it was when she was trying to color a animal, a way that it's not normally colored in the world. And the, and the teachers just like you can't do that it's stupid. And so this is the infinite possibility trying to express itself, and then this sort of like older unblocked. Yeah, older blocked entity that's running software that does not enable the other less blocked entity to pursuits infinite possibility. Yeah, that's right yeah. It's pretty common, pretty common. It's cute that it's cute when it's really brought to the child level as well because it's also really relatable because adults have also went through similar processes. It doesn't even sometimes it doesn't matter if it was at five or if it was that people feel like it happened when they were a teenager or when it happened when they're an adult in the workplace, just like, like, I'm, I'm swimming in this beautiful infinite possibility. And like it's kind of funny because as a kid, when you're kind of told that your infinite possibility is dumb, and it doesn't work. When you're when you're an adult, because we've sort of went through this process as well. You're, we're submitting really great ideas for the projects that we're working on and all this type of stuff. And we learn how to also like not be attached to it, which is kind of interesting. Like we'll give it up so easily. Yeah, it's so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no for sure. It's crazy. Oh my gosh, it's so crazy. But all part and parcel. Gosh, that's so cool. Your, your journey actually rings so true to your current entity state of being totally so true to it, like the story matches so well to what you represent energetically now. Like, and you describe it so perfectly as this like pressure cooker that then caused this super explosive freedom of firework. Oh, big time. And I've never felt like I've always felt that way now, like since that happened. It's like, I'm endlessly free and endlessly transformative and liberated and like there's no excuse. There's no blockage. There's no, like, just go. That's it. Like I don't have the moment I don't have time I don't have the inclination to complain or to be bothered or to. Yeah, I mean, and any emotion is very short lived because I do think it's important to feel your emotions. That's it. And so when you start using them for other things, then you start becoming a victim and living from that place. But if you just feel them they're most likely changed within I don't know, 90 seconds, if that. And then keep going, keep going. Not a robot by any means, but at the same time. I'm not going to be following shiny objects around either. No way. I am my shiny object. Fuck, I love that one. It's a good one. Yeah, my shiny object. I am. That's who I follow that infinity inside. Yeah. We all know the difference. Bullshit if you tell me you don't know the difference between coming from one place or another. You know what it feels like to be infinitely free. And everyone knows, but not everybody wants to do the work or make the decisions that you need to in order to have that constantly consistently. It's available to everybody all the time and everybody. I think everybody innately knows what that feels like. I don't think it's learned at all. I think it's inherent in a more innate than like the conditional totally totally it has to be. It has to be. Yeah, the whole odyssey is perfectly designed to have that feedback mechanism that you're talking about where people know the difference. Now, if we're running the scripts that make us completely automatic, it's really difficult to get the entry into becoming aware of what is being discussed now. But you know, you know, because, like you said, as a kid, especially there was more of what was true in terms of especially that like freedom and just joy and peace and play and all that type of stuff. And then all of a sudden there's this cage in this box and all this like, and then it's like what is this. And then you know there's a difference between those and you know that they're, you know, the process of melting this is, you know, Ramana Maharshi it's either zero steps to freedom or endless steps to freedom. And, you know, sometimes you, it's a choice to say that it's going to be zero steps to freedom and then to find yourself a really fucking good guru a really good truth channel that then helps just the unblocking within yourself, because it's doing all of the unblocking of melting that cages cage and then going right back to that state of pure freedom but there's got to be this as close as possible to the inevitable. It's true, it's inevitable, but as close as possible as you can get use that. Use those symbols, those maps, those interpretations to fucking abide as the perfect freedom that it already all is. Yeah, it's in us to do. Yes, for sure. Yes. It's why we're here so and we all know the difference and it's all going in that direction and only the time it takes for you to get on board. Yes. That's it. Perfect. It's a cosmological mechanism. So you may as well decide to be reality awakening to itself earlier rather than pursuing the shiny objects outside of yourself. Yeah, you might as well participate. Excellent. You know, excellent. So, may I be sensing that you feel like you do need to go to another meeting, or do you have. Oh God, no, no, no, no, I just had to shift. Yeah, I don't have a tripod or anything. And I kind of hold my phone because I don't have a computer. So, yeah. But I don't have anything else scheduled. This is it baby. Okay, cool, cool. We'll probably ride for, yeah. No worries. Yeah, cool. Okay. Take our time. I'm not in a rush. Cool, because we've been unpacking some beautiful things. And you could get a little. Either yeah, pop socket or a little like gorilla. Just to put the phone up against something or whatnot just to make it easy. I know actually I have one, but I didn't bring it with me. Okay, yeah. I do have a tripod like it could have been set up right here by the bed and I couldn't. Yeah, yeah, cool, cool. I'll learn, I'll learn. Even a computer. I'm going to have to break down and buy one. I think like I've written almost my entire book on my phone. Imagine. Yeah, that's just it feels more convenient for me in a lot of ways. I don't know how else to. Yeah, people don't think I'm crazy. What? What are you, and I don't type either. Yeah, voice to text it. Yeah. Yeah, I could do that too. But anyway, for other reasons, it wasn't about the book that I would get the computer, but it's more for other reasons like all these zoom calls now and all, but you know, maybe it would come in handy. So we'll see. I love the idea of just being able to like walk right out to that beach and Bali that you're at with your phone. And write the book. Yeah. Because it's that much easier than lugging a laptop. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, I don't know. I like having it because I can do it anywhere. I don't have to be prepared. I just have to have my phone with me and. Yeah. There it is. So that's a good thing. Yeah. And coming to Bali living in Bali, moving to Bali. Then that was the beginning of another whole body of work. You know, I'm not part of this culture. I'm not part of this culture. I'm part of really extricating myself from the world as I knew it. You know. And coming to live here, which. Gave me an in between space to live in, because I'm not part of this world or this culture. And I'm too far away from the one I left. And so I have this really privileged place in between. Where there's a lot of freedom. And I just really like, I do that. The more energetic. Of this island. Without having to pay for it. You know, Like sell a part of your soul for it. So that's a really wonderful position to be in. And the energies here at like with every island. Are very concise. You know. the more those energies kind of fuel you, help you, uplift you, purify you, you know, and the more you are living in your ego and your untruth, coming from that place, the more you're a liar, a cheater, and a stealer, the more it aids you in your demise. It just makes things worse. So that's a really crazy, and for me, it's very, very, I love it. That's my favorite thing about being here is I feel very upheld by those energies completely. And in Bali, the veil between the light and the dark is very thin. It's all about the dark spirits and the demons and the, you know, but also about the light, but very black and white. So it's a very cool existence in that way, especially when you're not invested in the religious aspect of it, which of course I'm not. And the whole religious thing is another, another story that they're all living, which is great. And there's some beauty in it. And I'm sure it also adds to, because there's a lot of offerings and a lot of ceremonies, and I'm sure all of that energy adds to, you know, a greater energy that exists here, but at the same time, it's not really about the religion. So I'm happy that I'm not experiencing it from within that religion, but I get to experience it from my vantage point. So I really, I love being here. And I wouldn't want to be anywhere else right now. And that's how I'd say I travel around for sure. And I'm about to do a bunch of traveling right now. So Indonesia, I'm going to travel Indonesia, which is a good thing, since I haven't done that yet. And I've been on this island for how long? So yeah, so we're going to, we're going to travel around and spend no more than three months in each place for at least a year. Oh, okay. So it's cool because this relocation vibration, especially to a place like Bali, where you can leverage the unleashing of the fullest creative capacities with not draining too big of a hole in the wallet is excellent because the entire vibe of ocean and nature energy is just further fueling what is unleashing creatively. Because a lot of the time you won't see specific nuanced aspects to life that when you're locked in a bedroom, it just as an example. But anyway, there's that component. And then there's the component of, like you mentioned, the difference between when you see things completely non duly versus when you still see things dualistically. And like kind of seeing that vantage point is so interesting because you can go one level up to see it. But the ones here can't yet see it. And then, because I was also there. And I love being a little up, it's so much better. And so you're, you feel like the next year you're going to go, you're going to go every three months to a new place near that area. So Indonesia might be less, but no more than three months. Like if there's a place we want to, you know, rent a place and stay for a bit, we have three months. That's it. I'm going to go with my partner. With your partner. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we may, you know, like, I think we're going to start in Java and we want it. There's a whole, but like Java's huge. But there's 17,000 islands that make up Bali. Yeah, that's so crazy. So there's a lot of places to go see. You know, so we'll start there, see where that brings us. And then we're going to travel across to go to Sumbha and Sumbawa. And who knows, there's just so many, I mean, we won't do it all in a year. And I don't even know where that year will end us up. Maybe we'll just keep going. The thing that's happening for both of us right now, simultaneously, funnily enough is that we're not interested in location anymore. I'm not interested in being in one place anymore. I've had enough of it. I don't want to keep a house. And I don't want to, it doesn't give me anything that I want. It used to, it doesn't anymore. So I need to be free to move around. I want to go wherever I want to go whenever I want to go there. I would like, there's so many places to stay here that you can stay in. I don't care. It's fine. But I no longer want to be in one place. Like have a home. I'm done with having a home right now. You know, that may change again. But for right now, it doesn't make any sense to me to have a home. I mean, I feel like my home is just with me wherever I am. So it doesn't matter. Right? Yeah, home is the, I am my shiny object. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So now I just want to, yeah, travel around, continue doing what I'm doing, continue writing, continue, you know, this group right now has been my life. I've started, started with NLM in January. And it was exactly what I was looking for. Andrea, are you, Andrea, are you in no limits mentorship? Yeah. And have you been in it since January? Since January. Okay. Okay. Cool. So just for those that are listening that don't know no limits mentorship is where people like Andrea about 22 or so people are in it. Something like that. Get one on one, get to ask one on one questions to Bentino as a group as a group, they get to ask questions to Bentino and then Bentino responds with these questions. And then they do Zoom calls. And what are the other NLM perks? Well, I mean, just being in a closed chat group like that is have many advantages as well, as well in terms of just each other and how we're reflecting to each other and separating each other, what we're co-creating and creating together, getting to know one another, getting to know how we all work and also purification on times 10. Yes. Yes. Like, I mean, it can also be none of that. It depends, you know, on how much you're going to immerse yourself in there, how transparent you're going to allow yourself to be, how much you're going to share, you know, obviously, the more that you participate, the more you're going to get out of it. So putting yourself on the line is a big part of it. But yeah, I mean, really purifying our desires in that group is a big, big part of it. Interesting that the sort of top down purification comes from Bentino and the team that have already been undergoing this process for so long. And then there's also this sort of bottom up purification that's happening in terms of you guys together. Yeah, which is super interesting. And I also have a similar somewhat experience with NLS where it's both happening top down and bottom up and then all the great friendships and stuff that are, yeah, becoming. And I love the way it's merging now. Like, this is the ultimate for me is the way that it's merging in that way, you know? So I love it because it's all, yeah, people are people. They all inspire me all the time in so many ways. It's in the same. Yeah, that's another core insight. By the way, it looks like you're something's blocking a part of the camera. Oh, that's my thigh. Oh, I thought that was like your leg or something. Yeah, yeah, because I'm holding it in between my knees. Yeah, yeah. While I'm sitting on the bed. In between the knees. Yeah, that's my tripod. Yeah, it's my tripod right now. Yeah, I saw both your hands appear in the shot and I was like, okay, there's something happening that I'm not. Nothing too crazy. Yeah. So yeah, I'm really enjoying it a lot. It's just furthering, you know, what I've been already working on and what I've been already headed. And also in terms of the team aspect too, that's been very exciting because that's in fact why I applied because I knew I just had a feeling that like, I mean, what? It's just going to go on ad nausea month after month. No, it's heading somewhere. It's heading somewhere. The people in this group, something's going to, we're going to do something. We're going to be part of something and we're going to, and that's all I want. It's like, it's the turning the world right side up again thing. That's my thing. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, I will not rest until I five year old. So yeah, yeah, it's cool that you had, you knew that, that there was that evolutionary blossoming that was going to unfold and that there was that, that there was that purification aspect to it plus the service at a larger level that's unfolding. And you know how I knew, you know how I knew truly is because I'm going to be part of it. That's how I knew. If I'm going to be part of it, well then I know where it's headed. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. For sure. For sure. I know exactly where it's headed. If I'm going to be part of it. And I feel that way in many situations, you know, in unknown situations that are ahead of me. What if you don't like it? What if it's this? What if it's that? What if it's the other? For me, it's always I'll be there. So it'll be great. I'll be there. So what do what do I have to be afraid of? You know, that's always been my thing. Well, I'll be there. So yeah, no worries. And I feel the same way about this, obviously. As long as I'm there, I can't lose. So yeah, and that's another one of my puzzle pieces is I'm like freakishly optimistic all the time, all the time. It's like, I don't know, maybe it's a blueprint thing or I don't know, but I'm unable to be negative. Really? I love that. Well, it also speaks to a lot of eradicating the roots of suffering. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. No doubt for sure. Oh, my God, yeah. Suffering. No, thank you. Yeah. For sure. Like either one's okay, really. But it's a choice. That's the only thing. Sometimes I choose it, but there's a reason. But mostly, it doesn't have to accompany me. Mostly not. Yeah, I can so sense this just explosiveness, post super contracted cage energetic freedom, radical optimism. I'm going to be there. Like I'm going to flip the world right side up. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. With everybody else who wants to do the same, right? Yeah. It's by no means a one woman job. Yeah. You know. Radical unattachment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then, like Bentino says, when you're so detached, it's important then to be careful not to be attached to that. Yeah. Attached to radical attachment. Of course. Because it's easy. It's easy for me to be detached. And so it's also easy to use that as a way out. Yeah. Yeah. So be being careful on that front. The balance. Yeah. But it's like, but you have to go all the way to the pole. If you don't go all the way to the pole, you'll still have some stinky little attachments. Yeah. But also so that, you know, you can as well, because going all the way to the pole could be purposeful if as long as it's coming from the right place, it can be purposeful, right? So even in learning how to become detached, I realized that it's like, okay, well, why am I choosing this over that? And I know, okay, well, no, you're detached from the outcome. It's not about that. But then I realized, oh, it's because I'm detached that I need to do that thing. Because for the first time, it's not coming from some kind of greed or need or whatever. So you got to do it now. Now's the time to do that thing. Because now it's going to have an actual impact. Because you don't really care. So it's about those finding those things out where the whole purpose of attachment is freedom or detachment is freedom. So that you can walk into anything as long as you're coming from the right place and surf. Whatever that service requires, you can do it because you're detached, but you're not serving without. So that's kind of cool too, because it's like almost like, oh, okay, I got it. Oh, I can, yeah, give myself permission to do that thing there, which normally I would think is nasty. But it's like, yeah, but you're not doing it to be nasty. You know, so everything like it doesn't matter what it is, it only matters why. Doesn't matter what, what one man's treasure is another man's trash. So what doesn't matter, and there's only so much under the sun. But the why, why you're doing it, why you set it, why you chose it, why you're coming from there, that's all the nuts. That's what I think creates the power or the fuel or the flavor of the thing is the why. Yeah, and sometimes with clients that I work with, that's an exercise. Every time you make a choice, ask yourself why, every single time, every time, and they're like, yeah, well, I'm going to be doing that all day. I'm like, yeah, that's the point all day, every day, every time you're cognizant of a choice, ask yourself why. It's a great exercise. Get really sensitive at where you're coming from. Yes, and also get really sensitive at how often you choose. Yeah, become aware, you know, that you're choosing in every second. And you're either King Kong, you know, or walking through, but you know, I'm going to put my foot here and I'm going to put my, well, I got to walk. And it's like, yeah, okay, there goes a whole building of people, there goes a whole, you know, being sensitive, being aware. Oh, wow. Yeah, I think it's easier. I think it gets more automatic, like we said, it gets longer. It totally gets more automatic, but there's a, it's so funny. Sometimes there will be this, like beautiful, just flowing of the free perfection. And then there will also be this, like the free perfection noticing that like, well, like I'm pretty sure there's still some shit here. And like, that's also like the process of knowing that there's still some fraudulent stuff and that the flow will naturally show that fraudulent stuff. Yeah, and it's just so funny because like, like, this is like, this is like the last thing, like the last thing is to sort of like just disappear into the ordinary, like stop seeking to be seen, like just disappear into life itself, like undergoing this process of no self, just disappear into life itself, like be cool with being nobody, everybody and somebody, but without any attachment to being seen by the rest of life, just be life itself, rather than being a separate person, trying to extract peace and happiness and all this other stuff from life. Like, I just love that like Adya Shanti style, die into the ordinary, just die into the ordinary. And that just makes me feel so much more at ease and relaxed and surrendered and at peace. When I can sort of look at that intellectually, and then begin embodying it more experientially and just feeling the slow realization of it really become more and more anchored in. Be known only to yourself. You're known only to yourself? Well, to be known only to yourself. It's me who needs to know, only me, only me. Yeah, you're the somebody, chunk of life that wants the seeking impulses to become transparent to your nature. That's right, to know, to know myself. Sorry, I had to plug in my phone there. Yeah. People want to be different. Go ahead. Yeah. To become known. Yes, yes. What's the first rule is to know your mind, know your mind. And when we are practicing knowing our mind, it also happens to be that our mind is ourself at that time. It is. We identify our minds with ourselves and our bodies with ourselves. Right. So to really be known by yourself, actually known. Yeah. Yes. But detached from anyone else really knowing you or seeing you. There you go. Yes. Because it all does anyway, it blends together anyway, but you have to go all the way to the pole first. And then anyway, as you shepherd, people will naturally, as you in Matthew 633, you first seek the kingdom of God within. And then all these fruits come to you. But you go there first, you focus on the roots first, roots, roots inside, inside consciousness, infinity, emptiness, transcend it all. And then you get to a point where you shepherd so cleanly in service to the one intelligence that were anyway fruits come, but you're so detached from the fruits that you don't let them trigger you into any of your identifications. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. It's like making money. You don't need to make money. You know, you need to focus on yourself and your growth and being true and knowing where you're coming from. And guess what? If you do that long enough, money is just an inevitable result. It just comes. You don't have to try for it. You know, it's almost a wasted effort to making money. Because there's no reason for it. There's no truth behind it. What is it good for? Make self and money will come. And no matter what falls my life, immediately I go to vibration immediately. Immediately. Because that's all that matters. That's all that's required. That's the only thing that requires my attention. Another Richard Condon saying what is the only thing that requires your attention, your vibration. Nothing else. Yeah. It's great. And then the unfolding is from there. Yeah. Yeah. And I live that. I live that for sure. I mean, I've lived that a long time just to hear him speak that I was just like, yes. Nothing else matters. There's been a lot of excitement in NLS around coming from that place of vibrational wholeness and unity. And Bentinia has been pretty adamant about getting us to focus on that vibrational state and then having that unfold all of the exterior circumstances. The more that you're whole and unified and seeing the homogenous existence, seeing intelligent infinity, the more that you come from that place, the more that you're vibrationally it, that it's locked in, that you're getting it, that you've got it, that the more that unfolds from this unit of life itself. And so from there, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the energy you create within is what the outcome will be. Yeah. As well. So it has to be the same. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's all a mirror in and out. Such a mirror. Yeah. Collapsed into one. Yeah. And that's, I say that happening in all of the groups. Definitely. That coming together from that undivided wholeness. It's happening. And less efforting and pushing and forcing and making. Yeah. Wow. That's like the ideal is not having to look over your shoulder, not having to, like you mentioned, do the double checking where you're coming from, not having to feel fear to say something into the field of the team. Yeah. But I think you have to accompany that with also sort of a childlike glee for maybe being called out and maybe having a reflection of some impurity. It has to be. That has to be just as exciting. Definitely. Totally. And just as interesting. I mean, we have to somewhat loop for that to a certain extent. If we truly want to become purified, then we have to look forward to any and all ways that that could potentially happen. Yeah. Look for the key of that. Yes. That's it. Look forward to that. You know, because then also when you're looking forward to that, then you also have less of a chance of censoring yourself or not being transparent because it's okay. Be transparent, be honest, be real. Believe me, you'll get all the feedback you need. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, those were such things. Yeah, just be real. I love the look forward to the purification dissolving. That shit's funny. Like look forward to it. Get pumped about it. Yeah, that's great. I love the get pumped energy about it. There's like such a taboo around dissolving that and it's better to come at it from excitement of like, all right. All right, baptized by fire. Yeah, yeah, let's let's see what it's the same with fear. It's the same with fear, like to use fear as a marker. That's how we use it. Yeah. Unless there's a bear in front of me. Unless there's a imminent death in front of me. Fear means do that. To me, yes. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. What am I most afraid of right now? That's the next thing on my agenda. Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting. It has to be because then otherwise I'm avoiding and otherwise then I'm coming from fear. I mean, it's a place that I can clearly eliminate coming from. Yeah, yeah, clearly. So why wouldn't I just take myself up on it? Yeah, this kind of boils down to also the yes theory seek discomfort. I love that. But then again, but to the yeah. Yeah, because when it's comfortable, when it becomes comfortable, seek discomfort until it becomes comfortable. There you go. Yeah. That's it. And then don't necessarily seek it anymore, but instead revel in the freedom you have to be in it or not. It's the same. There you go. Yeah, exhaust the seeking and then you can discern between when you're abiding and the freedom versus when you're contracting your energy. Yeah. And also just knowing that you can go anywhere to serve, that you're not combined in confined quarters. Well, I can serve like this or I can serve like that. No, you can serve in any way that is called for because you're not attached to anything. Oh, it's kind of funny, like even after transcending the paradigm of spirituality itself, that there's still a purification. Like even if you're big, yeah, even if you exhaust the secret, though, which is like, that's like, okay, fine, like it's time to drop the secret because you like you get spirituality, you got it, like transcend the script that you've been chasing the last couple of years, like you get it. But then the thing that remains is purification. Yeah. That's what's funny. That's the thing that remains. It kind of goes on forever. Yeah. Like it just goes on and goes on and goes on and goes on. You'll never come to the last, you'll never come to the last expression of infinity, just like you'll never come to the last conditioning of the mind-body-spirit complex. That shit's funny. Well, and literally thank God for that. Yeah. It gives us a fucking odyssey. Yeah. It's a pretty cool place to rap, do you feel so? The witch, sorry. To rap, to close up the show. Oh, yes. Sorry. My terminology. You want to rap girl? Let's rap. Rap the show. Rap the show. No, I'm not. No, that's fine. It's good. I think we got some good chit chat out there. It was very good. I feel so honored to be, have been a part of it. And I'm so happy to have met you as well. Me too. Like really. And now we're going to be working together. Yeah, it's cool to see what unfolds. Yeah, in what's unfolding. And I really recommend people to check out the links in the bio to not only the No Limits Society Conversations playlist that we were mentioning, but also the No Limits Society. The link is in the bio below. Go and check it out. It's such a cool place for you guys to be. All the things that Andrea was sharing with us about getting it, locking it in, just being real, all these types of things are like the front and center. Oh, see, I missed out on because we're on Zoom and we're not on the other thing. All those fancy little quotes that you would put up on the screen there. Hey, she's got like, she knows what we, yeah, correct. I would have been putting all of them up on StreamYard if we were on that platform for sure. I just love it. I love it when you do that because it sort of just slowly, quickly immortalizes that person in that moment. It grabs a snap shot of their brilliance and their genius and their love and their infinite self and it's just beautiful and wonderful. Yes, it further encapsulates the aroma or the firework and then it further amplifies for the viewers like, oh, there's that key bit. And then like, yeah, it sits in greater. It's great. Yeah, I mean, it acts as so when you look, it serves as well in such a great way. Yes. No, it's really lovely. It's really lovely. I'm so happy that you catch that. That part's definitely one of my favorite parts. It's like a live distillation of. That's my favorite part. I'm not kidding. It's my favorite part. I love it when you do that because. Cool. You're so sweet. It's just like a tickle, you know, it's just like, oh, he's going to write that down. He's going to display that, you know? Yeah, seriously. You're so sweet. Oh, you're so sweet. You're so sweet. So I like that as well. But anyway, this is back to that recognizing and translating. She's so. She's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. We'll have more. We'll have more episodes together where I'll get the opportunity to do the live distillation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Oh, that's perfect. Yeah. Oh, I love that. That's great. Okay. Well, that's excellent. Maybe maybe I'll be able to interview you for my audience at one point. Ah, yeah, we could also do we've welcomed that on the show as well, where the conversation is a little bit more flicked also from you, which, and regardless, it'll still be a good dialectic. That's, that's the, yeah. And yeah, yeah, it's a play. So it'd be good. We could definitely do that on the program as well, or we could also do that if you would like for the channel or whatnot that you're building on when you're in or whatever we end up unfolding, which we don't even know. That's right. Yeah, all that stuff or even just on a call. I just have a bazillion questions for you. So, you know, we'll get perfect. Perfect. All right. Thanks, everybody for tuning in. We love you so much. Super grateful. We would love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. Let us know your thoughts about getting it locking it in. All this good stuff. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Just be real. All those good ones. And like the video for brought you value helps the algorithm. Subscribe if you haven't to the channel. Share the video with people that you know this would profoundly benefit. And check out the links in the bio below to Andrea's writing. She's got a lot of great writing on her medium. Check out her Instagram as well that links in the bio below. And she's got a lot of great posts there to check out and check out the no limit society. Again, the conversations playlist and also the no limit society link as well to the actual platform. All right. That is all right. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Andrea. You're welcome. Thank you. Pleasure. So grateful.