 Hello, welcome to the next episode of the TFR community if you are keeping an eye on the Linux word you might be aware of the $200,000 donation that was made by the pineapple fund to the KD community Now that's a decent amount of money So do you wonder that? How is the KD community planning to use that money and and the bigger question is who managed all these funds that come to the KD community There is an organization behind the KD community is called KDEV and Today we are going to talk to two amazing people from the KD community. I have known them forever But interestingly I have never met them in person and I have met a lot of KDE people but not these two so today we are going to talk to Lydia who is the president of the KDE board and formal vice president Sebastian, so Let's meet Lydia and Sebastian So here we are we are talking to the KDE community. We have Lydia with us and we have Sebastian with us before we kind of Deep dive into this interview Lydia, can you please tell us a bit about what is KDEV and what is EV stands for? I have lived in Germany, so I do know but just for our you know viewers So KDEV is the organization that supports the KDE community for example in legal matters in financial matters organization of events and similar things and Do you really stands for Eingertagnerfein? Which is generally roughly for registered non-profit And and when you said that you know to to support the KDE community, what kind of support are we talking about? Mm-hmm So for example, we are paying for the servers that the code is being developed on and hosted on We are Helping to organize academy or annual event Development sprints other contributors sprints Those are among the things that the EV does Okay, and and before we talk about this, you know mysterious and magical $200,000 donation What kind of funding and sponsorship is already there? What kind of model do you have to a sponsor and fund the whole project and operation that you're running there? Because KDEV is one of the I think one of the oldest and also one of the most mature and one of the biggest, you know open source projects out there mm-hmm, right so KDEV gets its funding from a number of different sources The one that's closest to my heart is individual people contributing Five-year-old ten-year-old a hundred-year-old because they like our software and they want to Advance our course and and make that software available to more people and another way that KDEV is financed is through the membership fees of our patrons. So those are companies that that value our code and the work we do and and want to support that financially and A third thing is sponsorship of Academy our annual event so There it's mostly companies who who want to support the event and and the meeting of our contributors and and allow them to work together right Is there any kind of participation or funding from any? public bodies like Governments or local administrations or something like that or it's all everything is totally privately funded We were part of You research projects in the past, but right now we're not Okay That's another angle to that story because There is hardly any direct financial contributions by government governments or Non-profits, but they do Contribute in kind so for example, we have the lemoks project, which is the Linux operating system group In the city of Munich, which has switched to open source fully They've been contributing for I think these five years actively stream by providing feedback but also by By fixing things by actively participating and They've also Directly or indirectly been contributing a code by fix by paying contractors to To do so another really good example for that Is the German government where there's a group under the ministry All this they say digital security group and they've been funding Work on a mail on the email client security infrastructure on strong cryptography So there there is actual participation by governmental organizations, but it's not in hard cash Okay, and I Don't want to kind of discuss but with the Linux Linux project We heard that because the mayor changed and he's pro-microsoft person and they are planning to go back to So how does that affect the project and they're involved in with the KD community I'm so far. It's Well, this is a political process and it's going rather slowly. So The news has reached us but the consequences haven't so there's still active contribution To upstream plasma we still receive bug fixes So while on the one hand, we are actually very sad for For all the politics involved which well seem to be fishy We are still Working with them actively to actually achieve their goals. So the new the rollout of the new client is waiting they've been switching to plasma 5 of the past years and This is what's actually going on behind the scenes when you ignore politics for a while. So there's a very fruitful healthy relationship Okay, yeah To what to what Seba said like the politics behind this is a shame, right? But the nice thing about this is this is not the end of all work, right? Can you spread out over so many people so many organizations? That one organization pulling out isn't the end of kitty and we will continue to put right great Right, yeah, yeah, that's that's a nice thing not to put all the X in the same basket or whatever you say Well, and of course another really interesting angle is that The work that has been done as part of as part of the demox project isn't lost. It's actually Benefiting the the general public because it doesn't end up in some Proprietary code base that's never going to be used again It is available for for all users and in fact That's one of 5.12 which has just been released contains a whole number of improvements that have been directly Sponsored by the demox project Screen support for for a photo view Right. Yeah, the way I see that, you know, you there are two ways to contribute to any open source project Either cash or code so either you are contributing to code or you're gonna do cash and that's what mostly happens that it's company or I think that's a way to limit a view because There's a whole lot More work that we're doing. Yes. Yes. I I agree. I totally agree. Yeah, there is a lot of other work. Yeah, totally It's not a school but in the larger the skill is in some kind. Yeah. Yes. Yes now Then I mean When we look and you talked about the latest version of plasma There was a time when there was used to be confusion around the naming and the versioning But everything has settled down now people still talk about. Hey, I'm a Katie user. No, you're a plasma user Katie's a big community But when we look at the new version of plasma of plasma Okay, this is Sam. I'll jump too much on too many for because I'm a fiction writer Jump around a lot of things because I cover a lot of enterprise is space And when I go to all these conferences with this open stack or Docker, I see, you know, we are the word is moving And sadly what I see on a stage Unless it is a red hat Summit or a Susie con whether it's Docker con or open stack summit or no matter cube con all I see is Mac Where says or even on the no, there was no Mac West on Linux foundation So that whole garbage was nonsense No, he was not no He may be using it privately everybody uses, you know, Mac OS privately even I am recording right now on Mac OS But what I mean to say is that all the developers they use Mac OS is that I have talked to a lot of people So so my question to you is that when you look at the the desktop What what is your target audience and when you look at all these events that they are using Mac So how do you What do you feel about it? And how do you plan to actually understand their problems and then try to solve them so that When I see them using Mac OS, I actually don't see their failure I see failure of the desktop that is not capable to handle their workload So so my question to you is that how do you plan to change the landscape so that more and more such open source? People are use, you know, Katie or Linux desktop on their systems and not Mac OS is um, so that's that's actually to To really important though fairly general things that we're that we're concentrating on One is on somewhat the conservative angle that we're trying to make the software more solid Um So we are we're polishing a lot and I think in that regard We've been actually doing really well and our public perception shows that as well. So we've been really getting Good reviews. There's lots of positive vibes around around plasma and our our users and future users really seem to appreciate the the strategy of Polishing the current code base making it faster making it slicker fixing bugs and then starting this process over and fixing more that in fact I think this really speaks to one of the core values in Katie which we actually haven't been doing so well in maybe in the past years, but now we have Overhauled our platform for a few years with the introduction of Katie frameworks and to the plasma 5 architecture we are having a Series of years So to come where we can keep polishing without larger architectural changes because we have actually invested a lot of time and effort in future-proofing the underlying code base so my positive takeaway from that is that with the hardship we we faced especially when we introduced the first version of plasma We now have a long streak of What really matters to to use us and what's what gets us positive feedback we fix in fixing fixing improving and and polishing and By the feedback we're getting now, especially about the 5.12 release, which is really about stability and performance this is exactly what what users expect from us and This is also a message that they can really appreciate while it's much harder to communicate to them that There is underlying work to be done because before we can actually reach this this stage where we can build upon a modern stack for for a few years That is the the retrospective the conservative angle on that, but we're also looking looking forward and There's one aspect which is really close to to my heart and to my belief system actually. Let's see privacy angle I Think that What this world really needs is? tools to to protect Yourself You right the tools that give you the possibility of leading a private life because complete Openness and exposure of private data has become the default and while the situation isn't that bad right now I think things like Identity theft Are going to become a really huge problem We already saw in the past three in the past year that large governmental organizations Have have their computers kidnapped and they were hospitals which had been pretty much remotely shut down and this is this is the the cyber war which most people actually Do not fully understand right now, but which is going to be a really big problem And that's the anticipating angle. We're building the tools right now and rallying the community behind ourselves to To build strong software that can help you thank you against these things. I Totally agree with you on the on the privacy and security a lot of things are going on But the the bigger challenge and the big question is that No matter how good the tool is if nobody's using it. What is the point? You know, so so as as much as you know, your focus is on I mean, for example, if everybody's using Facebook, it doesn't really matter You know whether you're running on Katie or norms, you know, or you're logged into a Gmail account So it defies the whole purpose so But desktop Linux has always been you know kind of Not that much of success Linux is successful everywhere else So so how do you plan to put? Katie desktop in more people's hand because people want the they use computer to get the work done That is their primary goal, you know, everything else comes secondary so So so so when you look at all these users, how do you really plan to make it easier for them? To to get their work done so that they can once they use the platform and the the the mind share of that platform increases Then you can actually help people with their privacy things because otherwise everybody will be running Windows and macOS Maybe 1% people are using the desktop Linux desktop, but that defies the whole purpose right so where we where we see this going is that that the class of desktop computers and and full-scale laptops is actually decreasing and They use cases are becoming more limited But So where where are people moving they're moving to smartphones, but they're also moving to more purpose-driven embedded hardware and this is actually where one of the focus areas especially of plasma, but also the underlying libraries Is lying so we've been doing a lot of work on Creating the plasma mobile platform Not much of that is visible right now, but to make our software run really well on on smaller and embedded devices There's not just a different UI needed Software needs to be a lot leaner. So we've been Spending a lot of time on optimizing Plasma on optimizing startup time on optimizing memory usage, especially in the in the last month To make it easier to run plasma on these on these smaller systems and that is very much Work that will benefit us in the future, but the good news is it also improves the software today, so for example a small group of us of about 10 people had a meeting in December where we sit down in a really nice castle someone in somewhere in snowy Germany and Spend a week on optimizing the hell out of out of plasma made it made it start up a lot faster and Optimized memory usage. This is the kind of Kind of boring work to be general public But it's actually really important For people that have high expectations of their software And that may want to run it on smaller and and embedded devices that said I agree with you. We're not really Good enough at getting the word out right now We are professionalizing our marketing department a lot more, but in the end it's just so much we can do How much effort do we went do we want to spend on? marketing and how much effort do we want to spend on actually improving the software and then In my opinion, and that's I think the right thing to do improving the software should always win because Once you have a really good product It will spread itself Right. Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's a tricky situation that you have too much money towards marketing but not but at the same time if Sometime what happens is if if marketing world works and like look at Elon Musk from you know from SpaceX and you know Tesla He is great at marketing. He I mean, I don't know what he thinks or what he really believes in but I think moving to Mars I mean when there is a drought in California, you cannot fix that and you think about moving everywhere to Mars But I think what he's trying to do is he's just getting everybody excited about his SpaceX company That's what he's doing Alan Musk for the SpaceX who sends the rockets in the space Yeah, so he's talking about moving everybody to Mars But I think he's just getting us excited about science one more. He doesn't plan to go to Mars same thing he's doing with the With his boring company, which is digging actually they are starting in the DC also So from DC to New York will be just 29 minutes. You know it takes hours and then he sold that frame flame thrower You know and he made like 10 million dollars in like two days The whole idea is to getting people excited when people get so when you do put money in marketing It should not it's not like money, but when you get people excited about something Then you also get mind-share when you get mind-share then you get users when you get users You get developers when you get developers then they work on the ecosystem and when you get the ecosystem That's what you want in the end So I think it's yeah, it's you do need to know smart people like him or Steve Jobs who can get people Excited about technology without actually making any compromises with the technology in general So I do think you know marketing, but you have to be smart enough to do that. Otherwise you might end up making a lot of mistakes that Unfortunately canonical made in past with their phone as project very be created too much hype, but they fail to deliver it Anyway, why we're why we're spending our European Friday afternoon talking to you to you And second thing while talking about castles Yeah, because I live in Germany Garmisch and it's like every time we open a car. There'll be a castle next door Let's get back to the money part. So now you guys just got an you know, huge pile of money I don't know where it came from. So can you talk about that? What's going on there? Um, yeah, I can talk a bit about this. Um, so the pineapple fun is a Guy who made a lot of Bitcoins in the early days of bitcoins and now is giving you the way to no profit that he cares about and Katie is one of the organizations that applied and were selected for for for a donation and we we got 200,000 dollars From from him and that is the biggest donation Katie Evey has ever gotten And that is pretty cool We're very excited about that and hope to put it to produce for the community So should I should I set up an organization as a nonprofit and I may get some check and bits for him So, how are you? Okay? I don't know whether you can you can talk about it or not But I do think Katie shares stuff. So what is your annual, you know other was traditionally how much you know funding that you get every year? Um, I would have to look up the exact numbers. I don't have them here, but this this is About doubling our current Money Okay, and from what Sebastian told me earlier that most of this money goes toward actual development work and not too much Towards marketing and all those stuff. So when you say development work From Katie's perspective the way I look at it. It's mostly, you know volunteers are there So where do you use this money? How how does I mean for the I mean you talked about events are there But do you also have like full-time developers or graphic designers or, you know, you know, so can you talk about that that? Right. What is the yeah Katie's current money and does not go towards development We have one person paid part-time to assist the board and the community with organizational Matters and two people contracted to support our marketing team Beyond that, there's no people who are paid by Katie. We need to work on Katie topics now with this money We are having the discussions now How to use this money in the most impactful way for for Katie And among the things that are being discussed is hiring to people to do specific things Or contracting people to do specific things For example doing documentation cleanups or doing Usability tests or helping us with marketing research and things like that When you say documentation, I am not because I have actually not looked much into documentation because I don't need any kind of documentation It's kind of Is it just in one language or multiple languages as well? And we do have some of the user documentation translated in many languages. Yes Did you ever documentation? I believe this mostly in English Yeah, because that's kind of universal language. So In addition to that as we were like talking to Sebastian earlier and that there are some core areas Which do need to be addressed, you know to make, you know, the next desktop more appealing And since now you do have a big chunk of money. So Why do you think documentation is that important instead of let's say Getting a developer who can, you know, really do a lot of dedicated work on either mobile platform Or maybe a graphics guy who can, you know, improve the whole stack Because I don't really know how many people actually, I mean, I never read any manual to be honest I buy a camera. They send a big thick manual, but I never read it. So how do you really prioritize that? Okay? This is more important than this and that What we're trying to do is invest in multipliers If you've got $200,000 And you invest it into c++ software development, you won't get very far What we are trying to do is make it easy And appealing for volunteer developers to To chip in and then $200,000 can actually get you very far. So that's true We look at these these areas that are that are weak that Can get a big boost from from a one-time or perhaps longer term, but Rather low-key amount of money And we try to Use these as multipliers to get the word out to people and Documentation happens to be one of these areas that is underrepresented underrepresented and that really eats the developer time. It also Needs a different skill set So if you ask a software developer to write user documentation, you get incomprehensible documentation Also, I know you you are wasting the time of someone with a different skill set To do something which that person really doesn't like so much You're making on the one hand You're going for a Best and optimal result and on the other hand, you're boring A volunteer developer leading to a quicker burnout So we want the people that are developing to be able to concentrate on development As much as possible So the money will typically go into organizing meetings for these people on Running a smooth organization on running infrastructure that can make these people productive because Um, the funny thing is that um, there Are actually enough people Around that really like to do software development. It just needs to be appealing. It doesn't it must not be something that you could do Where you're lacking documentation where you where you're Working with really slow under maintained infrastructure where you're Running into political issues all the time so we're trying to smoothen out the organization To make development as much fun as possible and that allows us to get the really talented people in our community to be to be really productive Right. Yeah. Yeah, please go ahead So exactly as Seba said, right if we enable What if we pay one person to to write code for example, um Then that only gets us so far But if we pay someone to make it easier for a hundred developers to join us and and Write code, right that that gets us much much further. Um, so we're looking exactly into those things that have much more long-term and um, organizational impact Yeah, and then it has always been a community driven project. So you really not want, you know Katie employees, you know developing software. It will also be I think it may also discourage a lot of people That somebody's getting paid to do the same code that I'm writing in my free time. Yeah Okay, uh documentation is there we have covered our monies So now you have tested this much money Um What other efforts are there? Uh, because Katie is still I think mostly Europe centric How do you plan to kind of Grow beyond Europe so that people, you know from north america or australia or other, you know rich countries Can also kind of participate and give more money which can help it So That just other question is how do you plan to grow beyond Your traditional, you know strong castle is which is in europe and So there is like actually already a pretty strong community in india for example. That is regularly organizing conferences that are Yeah And really successful and try to get a lot of new people in. Um, there is a brazilian community for example that is Doing conferences look at meetups and and so on. Um, so There is that already and we one of the things we're trying to do is make that much more visible right and and um Encourage more people to to do that and to train them I mean north america has has always been a big market for a computer, you know So how do you really plan? I mean look at red hat. They are so big because you know, they are king of the north If I can use the analogy from game of throne Uh, so how do you really? Uh, I mean do you have any plans for moving? It kind of increasing The u.s market has been Very much a problematic thing for us all the time. Um I I agree with lydia. I wouldn't say that um, kd is certainly europe Has a strong community in europe, but uh, just looking at it. There's europe and there's uh, there's the u.s is Missing a very large part of the world So, uh, yeah, we got a community in india and uh, um in latin america Um, especially latin america tends to you know, we also see that In spain this tends to be its own ecosystem Because there's actually a critical mass Of spanish or brazilian portuguese speaking people so It doesn't need to be very outward looking. Um, it can be very uh very much, uh self contained brazil is huge both in terms of um Of actual geographical size, but also in terms of Software and having been uh to uh to brazil for a few times Free software is huge there. Uh, that said you're completely right and um, we Really haven't been able to get a foot in the door In the u.s. And a lot of that has to do with a critical mass um, I Have a number of projects that I know about that We're trying to actually get a critical mass going In the u.s. Or uh, or in north america. None of that has really Has really been successful So far, um I I honestly don't really know at this point how How we can Approach that uh that market. Um, because then It's also very hard for us For us to grasp. Um, it seems very close by culturally, but then um, Especially in terms of community involvement The differences are are huge and something that works really well In europe, uh, for example presence, uh at events. Um, it's completely different In the u.s. And I guess that that we are really at the strong cultural divide which doesn't help us a lot So, um, yeah, we need some really cool people in the u.s. That really understand these community dynamics and that Can help us get going Yeah, I mean, then I look at all the commercial open source. Uh, They they are, you know, all they are mostly us-based They are growing a lot in asia But the thing with us is that uh, even if brazilian market is big It's not an influential market for the rest of the world, you know But us kind of becomes an influential market I mean ellen musk is a south african, but he moved to us and now everybody around the world talks about a space Axe, you know, because it's uh, india does isro european have their own but nobody talks about that So somehow you just also becomes an influential, you know, kind of, you know, big influence over everybody else So so being active in us. Yes, it can help a lot in the growth of the project as well But it's a hard net to crack. But the thing is us is a is a place. I mean not in the current political situation Because yesterday just the the they removed that us is a land of immigrants from there, you know The part I think the homeland security or whatever it is. They removed it from their official statements. So things are changing here It's funny because suzay con is moving to vancouver linux con is moving to vancouver And then open his tax summit is moving to vancouver. So nobody wants to come to us anymore Because of this current as so there is a lot of political, but yeah But I think north america because of the english language. It can be helpful honestly You know, I can actually appreciate the the irony in that because I was talking about the The privacy and security angle earlier on and probably the countries that would Need software that can solve these problems most Is the us exactly and that also has this Radiating effect on the rest of the world because the weak standards about privacy and data security from the us easily bleed over into other countries through trade agreements, but also through Just, you know cultural influence that is um that the that us culture has seen as As an example of how it could be done or In the worst case what you can actually get away with right Uh, I would just like When we do talk about us influence. I was at open his tax. I mean australia the last year And of course, it's the austin, you know, it started from austin texas And uh, I met the director of it of china railways. They are using, you know, open stack They are a big big user of, you know, open source and open stack. I meant 10 cent Which is, you know, three major chinese vendors that they are the one who powered vchat, you know platform And they use open stack and open source So everybody is moving because as I said once again, you know, for some reason americans somehow know How to how to the language plays a big role They know how to market package and when I go to all this conferences I get amazed that, you know, at one and we have desktop linux, but nobody talks about And at the end everything else everybody using is open source. I mean, they don't even talk about Close source technology at all They they won't consider anything which is not open source period China is building their own public cloud to compete with amazon based on, you know, open source Private cloud, so it's amazing That's actually a huge success story because when I when I started getting into open source, it was It was basically open source against proprietary, uh, code and, um And outsource of free software is very much the underdog and If anything we've clearly won Won this battle But instead of celebrating that, um, there is no way around The development the open development model and actually reading your your source code We need to look at the next challenge and that in my opinion is data security and privacy Well, we can make a real impact on people and um when we When the free software movement started out Nobody was aware of the challenges that it would solve and right now everybody has moved to it So it's it has open source become the industry industry standard And yes, um in order to to win the next battle and in that case it doesn't matter if it's going to be or other These are free software that solves these things We need to make make an impact there is to solve real problems because in the end I'm not doing this to advance plus more the kd community. I write because I have a strong belief and Um that there are real problems to solve Right while you do talk about, you know the next stage When we look at from the from the perspective of platforms, uh We are moving towards the word which is moving towards VR virtual reality I have a PlayStation and everything which is VR. I watch VR a lot We are moving towards an iot driven word which we are more and more devices are becoming smarter uh, so so When we look at the future where you know everything will the tesla The cards will be you know the computers on wheel, you know, basically So so when we look at the future, this is the future we are going to live in So how prepared are you as a kid? You know kd community one to either be running in the devices Number two to become a platform for developers Which they can use to create either services or software or content for these platforms. So these are two so So from your point of view, where do you stand in that future? Yeah, um, so um, there's a few uh, there's a few interesting projects, uh projects going on which One of which we um, actually I've talked about a lot already, which is plasma mobile and the general effort on making The kd frameworks and plasma technology more friendly to embedded systems But and we haven't actually talked about that a lot. We also started the discussions to partner with a um company that is building smart speakers Which is one of the huge Quickest exactly that. Yeah Quickest growing markets, uh right now. So um, I can't actually talk a lot about that but um Probably within the next week. Um, there will be Within the next week's news will be out that kd is going to partner um with a company that that builds smart speakers on based on open source technology and um There are some efforts In this field going on. But yeah, we're um, we're looking at these new markets that are That are popping up developing. We're looking at how it how we can contribute um to the Goals of the companies that we believe get it all right that build on free software that respect privacy and data security Trying to make an make an impact there Yeah, I mean like I think even mobile phone is just a placeholder before you know, like I'm wearing the airpods So I actually don't need my phone at all. It just sits in a corner I just veered across the home and I veered a watch and I don't need my phone And one these and then you we have these, you know, smart speakers I have never actually bothered to to open the web to ask for something, you know, I just talk to it and I get my answers and But when you talk about uh, uh these platforms Machine learning and artificial intelligence is going to play a big role in this space uh I think what you're talking about is building the platform, but you know, uh, like google has open source tensor flow Which is their machine learning deep learning platform. They've also released cube flow, which is to manage your What you're talking maybe we can talk next week Because the platform itself is not good enough unless until you have some machine learning capabilities or data to actually, you know Feedback into the the smart speakers So that could be another area where we can talk about, you know, that is software stack is not as important as that having data So if you don't have data That's actually different aspects for us. Um, uh, we We're happy to work with people who are directly contributing to what's our long-term goals of Basically creating a better world for uh, right providing more freedom to people. That's also, um for the midterm benefits like if we can collaborate with companies that Um aren't building everything using our technologies, but that just need a library to solve a certain problem for example to download a calendar and To pass the data out of it. Um, then these companies, um Could be interested in one of the the Literally hundreds of libraries. We're we're providing and contributing Um back to that and that that also has huge benefit, uh for us both in terms of contribution but also in terms of In marketing terms because that actually gets the word out. Um, if this company is using it, then this must be kind of Um useful. So others will do so as well. So we're actually growing our ecosystem With that and we're creating network effects. So, um There's really a lot of different. Um Sometimes more subtle ways where we can benefit from the uh from collaborating with others Right, right, right Oh, yeah, because that is a word. Uh, that's why I I run a platform called tf. Fire, which is the fourth industrial revolution Which is all powered by software driven stuff and uh, so this is an area where I'm Keeping my eyes on, you know, the emerging technology that are coming up So that will be an interesting and we can certainly we should talk about it when you have something more concrete about it And kd has always been kind of, you know, uh from the early days also A lot of in the desktop space, you know, you guys were doing a lot of things Which were like later on implemented by apple in macOS and microsoft in windows and everything else So you guys have always been ahead of the curve because you know, it's a big diverse community from people from all around the globe You know, they are bringing, you know, their ideas to the community. So no one can match that either way, you know That's your strength, you know And it's open source. So anybody can just come in and join in and throw the idea and start writing the code Yeah, interesting thing is that we are um and some areas were very much ahead of the curve, but um Also, our core business is being just, um Behind the curve the commoditization uh of technology. So, um, we see that that um Some innovations are At first only available to a very small group of people that um that uh pay threat or Whether software has huge restrictions on either geographic spread or the demographic that it that it reaches and um, then people come along and implement a free software solution that is At first solving the same problem. Um, and then regard it to be more flexible and a better solution. So In that light we are Making we are behind the curve in terms of technology but um We're making, uh, this technology available to a much much larger group of people That's true. Yeah. Yeah Before anything else that you think we should discuss about in terms of this Big funding or I think we have we have covered a lot of broad topics And we should always leave a lot of things for the next one so that we can continue to have more conversations. Yeah Um, first, I'm sure we we won't run out of topics anytime soon. Yes. Um, right. Yeah Then with respect to the uh, to the funding topics where, um, We're very much looking into how we how we can use it In the best possible way right now. Um, You're not Just throwing money Out of the window. We're really looking at where where can make the uh, the biggest impact and um So this isn't the thing that uh, just plays for For a week Yeah, and if you do plan to throw the money out of window, just tell me where you are throwing it I'll be there behind the window standing I think the general consensus is that Lidia gets, uh gets her own. Um, Katie the Ferrari and Uh, we'll be done with it Yeah, I think she has a private jet or something like that in Berlin. Yeah I've got children now Much bigger donation for that, but I think if we're running through it reachable now Okay, so Lidia any more closing words before we wrap up this interview Thanks so much. Um, we should definitely Continue this at some point. Um, hopefully soon when we, um, Decided on the first things to invest in and, um, Let's see what it brings for Katie Okay, awesome. Thank you so much for your time and I look forward to meeting you all in I have met a lot of committee members in person, but not you too So I am looking forward to coming to academy and you know, covering it and doing a lot of videos there and talking all the stories Yeah, thanks for your time and uh, see you Very cool. Bye Thanks for watching. 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