 After you finally completed the Cuba swim I was curious just as a spectator of how you adjusted to life after the goal that you had worked years and years to achieve and was it as easy as I did it? That was that's over and with on to the next project or did it take some time to be like well now what? What comes next? It's a complex question with a complex answer and that is I think every world-class athlete every who retires and unlike other professions you retire when you're young as a general rule you know that's sports although I had this resurgence in my 60s you know so I wasn't so young when I retired the second time but there is a drama and a black and white sort of lifestyle to sports you know you know it Diego from tennis is that you know you don't say I'm going to be the best investment banker in the world who's going to decide that whereas if you want to say I'm going to I'm going to win Wimbledon then there we have a very concrete goal in front of us and we know just what to do to get there whether you can or not so I think there's a depression not only in being the best and being lauded Michael Phelps has gone through a lot of depression well he's had he's admitted in his chemistry he has depression but also to be can imagine to be that the king of the world and now all of a sudden you're just in the airport with thousands of other people nobody really knows who you are maybe with him you know they do they do but as a general rule so I admit that for five years which is a very long time after someone who's just on a solo event usually when we see the Phelps of the world I mean he's winning you know multiple medals over multiple olympics this is just epic whereas I did hold a number of world records but to the world at large I was a sort of a big deal at the end of the Cuba swim in my 60s and for five years after I was on a rocket I was going doing three speeches a day flying by helicopter here and there going international just you know jet setting telling my story writing the memoir people were doing a documentary film I did an off-broadway show which I've always wanted to do my own acted all out and uh all that stuff so I was just at a rocket ship at the end of five years what you're talking about next started to start to settle in I'm not chasing that dream anymore I'm not even kind of dealing with the aftermath anymore I'm on to what what's next what what is life and probably never will I have something that concrete that dramatic to chase again but I realized that what was at the bottom of it was the pursuit was the pursuit of my potential so Diego will tell you the how laughable this could be but honestly I started playing tennis at the age of 68 I'm never going to be anywhere in the category for instance of Diego's wife Natalia I won't be she's a superstar on the court and she's nowhere near going to Wimbledon so there's a there's a big gap between the ceiling of what's great but I have a sport now I have a pursuit of a sport I have a little training center in my garage that's all tennis oriented I'm a little slow off the mark like a lot of swimmers so I have to make up for that somehow I play seven days a week you know I just try to try to learn from all the greats at our club even and watching on television but I I'm so thrilled to be back in the pursuit of my potential at a sport which is very different than pursuing your potential as a business person it really is it has it as I said it has a more black and white defined you can you can write down in your notebook what is it this month I got improved at that follow through on the forehand I've got to get that going so I think there is a there is a depression and a difficulty when an athlete steps away from their sport are they going to feel that talented at anything again are they going to feel that passion at anything again maybe not because sport lends itself you know to to bring out your talents and and and seeking your passion you know but I like to think that everything I do has a bit of a vision and has a largesse to it you know that that inspires me