 you would come back to us, to this R309th episode of this show, Human Humane Architecture on Think Tech, Hawaii, and you are the accumulated viewer, which you see down there. If you, Michael, thankfully, always put it up somewhere in the 17,000s, and this happens to be our eighth time that we're looking back at Lahaina, already remembering Lahaina as we call it, because you, the solo Brown from your Bishop Museum, where you work as a historian, Hades Soto. Good day, everyone. You know, you have been, again, introducing us to begin with, to the history of Lahaina, and then also you went out there to show its current situation, which is unfortunately all leveled by the fire. And then with you, Martin Anselini, hi, welcome back. Hello. You help us to get the spirits back up again because of some interesting suggestions here, how to rebuild. So we're back to that. And let's start, again, having the shows, all the images running through as we're already doing. So thanks, Michael, for that. And for you, the audience, they're numbered at the top left. So whenever you want to go back and you want to re-watch the show and slides we're referring to, you just look at the number at the very top left. So we'll, which we'll run through towards the end more, but I want to talk about what you will see on slide 42, 43, and 44. And this is getting us back to something, the Soto in our front yard, which is a rainbow drive, and particularly the new canopy that they have been building, that Jim Kisakuma, who's the founder of Rainbow Drive, has been building there. And it's actually, until now, people might say, well, do you have anything to show that's anywhere close to what you guys are suggesting? And I throw this out for discussion. Why is Rainbow Drive pretty close, guys? And the Soto, especially, because it's in your front yard, as it's also my front yard. Then by the way, you said kindly, I look much better. That's why I basically got out of my closet bathroom, which seemed to be the lighting too bad. And now I'm thanks to my school on a new computer, and I'm here in the, which is bedroom, and also kitchen, and also living room, and also studio, all at the same time, which is also going the direction, Martin, you are going, but this is still too hermeticized, and too, I guess, territorialized, that you will break free even more. But the Soto, how about explain to everyone, which you, the audience will then see on 42, a little bit what that new canopy is down there in your hood. Well, Rainbow Drive-In has been in business for a great many years since the 1960s. And obviously, when it was built, it was certainly not forward-looking with any type of modern technology, because we didn't have solar technology at the time that it was built. But it has remained, even while many other Drive-In restaurants have gone out of business, and they're no longer popular, Rainbow Drive-In has retained a great following for its very good food, and what it has built to modernize itself in the 21st century is a canopy that we see in a number of other places now, in which you use the canopy not only to shade people and park cars underneath it, but more importantly, it is covered with solar panels. So those photovoltaic panels are generating electricity, and again, this is something which is more increasingly done now over parking lots that, for example, at the University of Hawaii System, they're doing that. But basically, it, again, is a simple structure that is fulfilling two things. It's providing shade from solar radiation, which we need, but which causes heat, causes deterioration of objects, and also causes us humans to have our flesh deteriorate, unfortunately, over the long term. But not only are you providing shade, as I said, you're providing the generation of electricity as well. So the business that has this or the organization that has this type of fuss structure is actually creating its own electricity, and that's something that we want to do all over the place as much as possible. We are bathed in sunshine. We get very strong sunshine here, 20 degrees north of the equator, and we should be using that sunshine energy to give us energy for the things that we want to do. So bravo to Rainbow Drive-In for being as modern and forward as it is. And let's slide 42 again if we can bring this back. Martin, Martin, did we in the busy school that we're making you do, did we give you any time to have seen it in real yet or yet to come? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Actually, I knew it since before coming here, a taxi driver in Denver told me that I must go to Rainbow Drive. That was the best place to go in Hawaii. Wow, see, Jim, do you hear this? You will because we forward this to you and our great colleague who is actually much better than we can ever be, Kurt Sandburn, who used to be our main architectural critic on the island, and we try to do our best to fill in for him. And he once reached out to me and said, Martin, what's actually the best architecture on the island? And then we agreed on it being that because it is so to the spot, right? And in addition to the sort of what you rightly so said, yes, it has portable takes on the roof, but it has it in the most fundamental way because usually you build up a roof of structure, which you have here, too, but then you build a roof membrane. That one you actually have to destroy and poke through again to attach the sub structure for the photovoltaic panels. Well, here, and this is again bad news for us architects as in training and being trained and accredited and being licensed, because this project didn't need us. It just needed Jim with the idea and he reached out to people who do it and they all did it themselves. And they said because they're not, you know, they're free of the bozards, BS that architects sometimes have, it just said, well, let's collapse all that into one. So actually the panels, the photovoltaic panels are actually the roof membrane as well. And here comes the point, it's not absolutely tight. So sometimes when it rains, there's a little bit dripping through. But slide 49, if we can get this back, De Soto, if you would have your roof open in your main hall in Bishop Museum, 49 slide. I mean, yeah. Then, you know, Don Hibbard taught me that the missionaries were complaining that the indigenous houses actually was also not absolutely watertight. But then the thing is, why would it have to be, right? Because if you have temperate climate and you have temperature differentials and, you know, cold and warm, then you get the dew point, then you get condensation, then you get mold, all these things. We don't have here, as long as our trade winds can breeze through, they will dry out humidity and water immediately. So that's to be considered as well, right? So these people there that you see in 42, if we can get this back, I found it great because COVID, as we know, changed many things. And the good things we had before COVID, sometimes we didn't have them back yet. So he had, if you watch the show, that show quoted up there, we, he had it all. He had it for people, for plans, for electric charging cars, for everything. At the seating, Jim, unfortunately, or he's retired now, but his, you know, people never brought it back. These two people here, locals, father and daughter, just brought the table on their truck and put it up there. And I said, this is awesome. And I took a picture and she caught me and she said, it's only 10 bucks. I owe her great central fumer. But on a more sad note, she said, well, you know, this is, you know, where are you from? And I said from Germany and her dad got excited because he was stationed in Germany back then. She said, well, now he's losing it. He has, you know, dementia. And it was probably his lifestyle, she said, because he was on the street. He was homeless. And so we started talking and she basically said, well, are you guys with Howard Hughes? And I said, well, we wish so, if Howard Hughes would listen to us but as of now we're more on the other side only because Howard Hughes doesn't want to listen to us. And she also said, well, are you, are you for smart cities? So let's talk about smart cities a little bit because that's a great fear of that's lingering out there and only comes through here and now then. And in conspiracy theories. So let's address that a little bit, the smart city point. Martin, you want to take a stab on that one? Today, the internet of things allow us to manage some systems of the city in a more efficient way. And this is something that we can reinforce concrete, allow those 150 years ago. Now we have technology to build some systems of the city, which is great. We can generate a control water management in a more efficient way. We can control electricity and energy management too. We can predict events such as climatic events and so on. This is great, but very easily, and this is already happening in some countries, it can be almost a big brother effect on which we don't even know who's the big brother. Which is not good, which is not good because when cities are, we were talking about Detroit on the last session, when cities are controlled by just a few corporations, let's call them corporations. Cities die when these corporations just decide to go away or to make them die. Cities are for people. And this is not something that you can and you should not want to control. So smart cities should help make more efficient some cities, the systems of the cities, but should not pretend to have an overall control of what is happening. Now for the, yep. It could be just to add on that one. I mean, it could again be capitalism, as you said, that drives it, that runs it, that controls it, or it could be political regimes, right? I mean, it could be China. You see people on the streets here where it signs up and says China is a smart city. And that's expressing their fear. And that's the daughter's fear, who by the way, is a musician you see on the pickup truck, a huge instrument that she's playing. And so she said, you know, my dad is in the mid 60s, and I'm in my early 20s, and I'm afraid of all these things. And she is then, you know, although she was suspicious of me, and you know, it's interesting once you say, I'm an architect, you know, then there's some people think that's what you do. And if you look around in Honolulu, unfortunately that is what architects do, right? So we have to face that we got this bad reputation that we are complicit to all these things that don't help the little people, right? And we go to the next slide, because this is another touchy thing that here you see. The other thing she said, oh, are you with Oprah? So what could she have meant? DeSoto, you want to maybe give it a guess? Well, this whole thing has been very strange to me. Oprah Winfrey and Duane Johnson are both very wealthy celebrities. And after the Lahaina Fire, they both stepped forward to start fundraising for rebuilding and for the needs of the people who've been affected. And instead of this being openly praised and them getting good feelings out of this, people immediately said, wait a minute, you're not doing enough or you're trying to get money out of us when you've got so much money. And it turned into a real backlash, which I still don't quite understand. However, what we just talked about right before the show got started was, well, these two celebrities with a great deal of money, what could they do in addition to giving their own money and raising money? And one of the things that you said, Martin, was what about if they purchase property, what about if they purchase land, which can then be turned over to the individual people in Lahaina who need places to live or need to rebuild their businesses or something like that and let those people decide what they want to do and how they want to do it. And this is the bigger question about Lahaina's reconstruction, which is what we've been talking about. How does that occur and how does that happen in a way that is both sustainable as well as what people want, the way people want to live, as well as all of the other considerations about private property, public property, the other things about withdrawing from the shoreline as the ocean level rises, all of those huge considerations have to come into play and maybe we don't need celebrities directing it but maybe we need celebrities giving assistance to it and providing their power and their money to further those types of goals. Well, and in fact, in addition to, you know, I think you just came up with something that could be a good compromise because in fact, it's more specific because both Oprah and Dwayne actually own land in Maui. And in Oprah's case, it's sort of high up, you know, on a hill and there's all these conspiracy things with the color blue and her blue roof and things like that. They don't, again, we said this before, they don't seem to go anywhere, let people who should want to investigate in that do that and then, you know, do justice but we have to move on, we said. But again, I appreciate Dwayne. We always did, we see in the top right because when he was still considering running for president of the United States, we were cheerleading him at the soda a lot and then unfortunately he withdrew with understandably that he said, I want to have time for my family and my daughters. But again, we wish he, you know, would reconsider and what I think would make him a great president is that he has the ability which, you know, leaders increasingly less have is to be self-reflective and as, you know, these news here from the local news show that he says, well, you know, I didn't think about it, how it would come across when I mean, well, and I give a lot of money which he has, but then it's still like people like, okay, well, but now you want us to give money and we can't because we try to make ends meet and we can't. So maybe, you know, it has to stay with you and that could be the great here to say, well, you guys who have the money, maybe don't have to give your land thanks to Soto, but land because you have enough money you buy other land and then you give it to us and we go from there buy ourselves for ourselves and that is the proposition that you, Martin, have been coming up here and we continue to talk about rightly so but also Dwayne, we know didn't just wrestle himself out of this, you know, childhood that was, if he could have enjoyed the place more that Takashi Anbi had designed for him when there wouldn't have been that pressure of territorialization because he did not own that with his mother but he rented it and they were evicted because they couldn't pay for it so if that hadn't been we always want to go back to him and hopefully we get the chance to Soto to talk to him and explain that that actually the building wasn't the problem but the money that wasn't there was the problem, right? So he could now revisit the childhood which he does as you see him on YouTube with selfies that he makes selfie videos and he'll say, well, you don't own it with what you can which is the money and then you empower the people to do something and me as, again, previous having wrestled me out of my poverty but now, you know, mostly known as one of the most, you know, accomplished actors and that being said, you know, sometimes we need to dream, you know, and that kind of dream it seems like missing Stanley Chang's newsletter came in and it was reporting that now these little emergencies shelters that are can, you know, be folded out are shipped in from Europe. Wait a minute, I'm going back over Christmas with a bad feeling because I have a large fossil fuel footprint. So sorry, you know, yours, Martin, can be all made from here and from scratch predominantly. Why do we need to ship in something else? Again, as we do San Pellegrino or we do the heavy rail train that comes from Italy but from Hungary where these elements come we have Gabor who was demonstrating in Kailua how to make, you know, a quick housing that doesn't just need to stay temporary but could be permanent out of autoclave aeridic concrete that we know you just saw that are very excited about. So, you know, having dreams having visions about the things we're talking gets us to the next slide and you, Martin, explain us. Yeah, first let me wrap up what the Soto was saying about land and you were talking about land is that if we are able to acquire land this land could be used just for reforesting, for example. So, bringing water which will avoid fires that will even on the forest itself or like beside it and also bring a reculture so we can generate like eatable forests somehow but also can bring more sovereignty to the people of Lehigh during the reconstruction and afterward. Also, maybe, just start thinking about parking plots outside the field environment to avoid cars to enter like public parking plots if needed because probably people will at least tourists will not need cars to bring here from here with a good public transportation system. Martin was talking about Encanto the movie that I was lucky to be advisor of and what happened with Encanto which is a beautiful let's say cinematographic scenario is that everything was happening in a house at the end of the movie the house got destroyed as happens many times in my native Colombia many natural disasters Colombia is the fourth country more vulnerable country in terms of natural disasters after Philippines, India and Mexico and so we are very expert on rebuilding there are some very interesting cases and what is happening in the house is that the building was made by the community there is a beautiful world world that is called Minga and the Minga is a moment on which the whole community gets together to do something for example to cultivate or to harvest or as it happens in the movie to rebuild the house which is kind of as a very like neo-colonial house also evokes an informal settlement as long which is very common also in Colombia and then what is happening here is that every room is a scenario and there is this room of Antonio on which there is this magical tree full of life the tree works as a house and we were already talking about this on which we have the tree we have the ham and the tree will allow us to generate different levels your approach Martin is more about thinking about using this three-dimensional space to be able to live in different levels again bringing back the rainbow drive structure this second ground floor would also be understood as a let's say a space for resiliency as it happens for example in Cambodia in Vietnam that houses have let's say a summer ground floor and a winter ground when it is the rainy season people goes up and this is like life is dynamic so we can think about living in different levels depending on the moment of the day the night when it is grey you can go upstairs and have a barbecue or whatever if it is grey and cloudy you can also go upstairs in the case of an emergency for example a flood you can also go upstairs to just to protect yourself and your object yeah thanks Michael for having thrown this in so you already can the audience can see already what's going on and what I was here intentionally just so that we didn't keep your halloween this is the halloween edition as well we intentionally did not keep your costume because it might have been inappropriate for this time but if you compare last week's show to this week's show you can figure where it's going because you were the bearded guy until recently and now you're not anymore and I was spontaneously making myself into that being the pineapple and Bundit who visited you yesterday made himself into the palm tree with the leaves and this I got from Ethel yesterday so the manager of the breakers hotel where she is working managing it since 1954 and this was grown on planard troughs on the lanais and so you know this is this is not weird this is actually practiced at least there but the the mainstream does not practice that right you need Yusin who is the landscaping guy who has been doing this ever since with his father so he grew up there and they like to because the the trees again the the soto you pointed out to us and it's slide nine if we can get that back is the ulu tree this is all a high now was is gigantic rows of ulu trees and ulu trees are delicious fruit bearing that we have to talk about well you also need to take care of them and when they when they come down you know they can create a mess but that's only in our western mindset of everything needs to be clean and kind of you know sanitary but if if it's actually your food you don't see it as something that's a problem it's actually a blessing when the fruits come down because it means they're ripe and you know i've once at howard wake up there at a party you know someone sliced them thin and and roasted them i never had that delicious chips and that's just you know that's not even the basic food you can make tons of stuff out of that so that is definitely you know that to be added into the scenario that's martin you use the the term growing architecture as well or it is a term that's out there right so um we only have two minutes left but we can start having slide 11 and then if you the audience already want to prepare for next week we will talk about going all the way up to 18 from from 11 and that actually talks about from ground up slide 11 shares some of the fears again of unfortunately the soil being contaminated and being a problem and it first needs to be dealt with and uh but your proposal and this gets us to 12 which seems like almost well this slide is missing is actually not talk about what we actually see and talk about why we don't see much and this is similar to rainbow drive again same thing right one minute left yeah what what we can i mean if we go to the following slide is that these two cases on weathers similar more or less how and to hawaii a little bit more humid but tropical weathers these two fantastic projects on which architects forgot shadow and what is happening here I took those photos myself and you see this the right in the downtown of these huge cities in the rush hour there is no people why because you cannot be there or only if you are an architect taking pictures pictures so we have to again and we can take from there later but to provide open ground floors and covered spaces for for for the public all right with that hold that thought because that's where we pick up from next time again and until then please stay fantastically fundamental fundamentally fantastic see you next week bye