 We now move to the second half of our summit today as we still await a lot of our delegates to keep joining us after lunch Delegates we've spoken a lot about I beg your pardon. We've spoken a lot about transformation today But do we actually see this in practice in our classrooms and lecture halls on a daily level? Debating the motion on how is media transforming the future of education? I would like to welcome on stage the chair for the panel Dr. Wakar Ahmad Fahad deputy editor BW business world can we have a round of applause for him, please? I would request the audience to please maintain silence Joining him on the stage to discuss the motion Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Professor Kanchan K Malik professor and head Department of Communication University of Hyderabad Professor CP Singh ggsipu head school of mass communication Professor Sanjay Ranadeh associate professor and head of department Mumbai University Professor Amrish Saxena dean DME media school and director DME studios and production formally academic head ZIMA and ZICA Z-learn Z media SL group Professor Colonel R.K. Dargan advisor amity school of communication amity university And professor Sushil Bahel faculty and head Sushil Bahel consultancy Mumbai Can we have a big round of applause for all our panelists, please? Thank you very much, Kartikeya Okay, so my name is Wakar Ahmad Fahad and most of the people sitting in the audience They have taught me while I was doing graduation in journalism So I am really overwhelmed to be here most of the people sitting here They have taught me they may be taking the pride in this also that they have taught me at any point of time I am a reversed academic so people usually Work in the industry for 20 years, 15 years, then they join academics I started my career as an academic only I started teaching at universities But later on I moved to industry so then I started teaching And not only I was reversed in this but I took a reverse gear in one more thing That I started working with a digital company then I moved to broadcasting and then print So it's a double jeopardy for me So when I when this particular seminar is being thought of I immediately told Radhika who was coordinating this that I want to be This particular panel and in this particular seminar because this is something what I relate to I am taking care of BW education editorially That is the business world's magazine which comes once in two months But media and media summit is something very relevant From the morning we have been listening to various issues pertaining to this industry Many challenges by which the industry is grappling with And just it will be over a lot of overlaps will be discussed along with new interpretations So that will not be repetitive at all But some new dimensions will be added by The most esteemed panel which is sitting with me So due to the paucity of time I think we are running Kartikey two and a half hours late already So we have to just cover up so we'll I'll request my Delegate speakers to be very concise while speaking giving their point of views Without wasting any further time I would like Professor Kanchan Malik to start this Without any merit. I would like Professor Kanchan Malik to take over and say that how is media transforming the future of education Since the time is less. I'll skip the preliminaries. So I'll go straight into the topic And when I was conveyed the topic of the panel, how is media transforming future of education? The first thing that occurred to me was that we will be discussing the future of media education Given the technological innovations that have revolutionized media and redefined the paradigms of media scape in the digital age Now then I took a closer look on the title of the session and the overall schedule and I realized that the session All the sessions before us Would already have taken care of that quite effectively And who better as you have seen in the previous sessions to articulate about how media education must Keep up adapt adopt and gear up for the demands from the media industry Then the media owners and practitioners themselves Some of them running institutes and then also hiring people And also a whole panel of senior media educators who have reflected in depth both on the practices of media And those of media education Now with that out of the way I realized that the task of our panel was probably to take the discussion to the next level By dwelling on the role of media with its changing avatars features and becoming smarter and faster by the day How could that possibly that kind of media possibly play a role in transforming the way education happens? And that of course includes media education too Now being an educator myself the obvious response to this would would be that technology is already sweeping through the classrooms We have all experienced it None of our students sit there without a mobile phone and shaking up the role of educators Media technologies are transforming the future of education and that's essentially through let us say two things A I'm I'm sure there are other panelists who can You know shed some light on it even better than me one is Amplification of learning experience by use of multimedia technologies and plenty of educational games and activities Be is scalability, which means one teacher to a million students through the massive open online course and the like now With technology reaching levels of sophistication that it has become capable even of cognitive tasks Predictions are that computers are going to replace teachers. I have my doubts about that But whether media will transform the future of education to exclude educators or not Is a question I'll leave again to those experts in educational technology I on the other hand would like to go beyond and read the topic from the from my standpoint and specialization in participatory communication and alternative media Which looks as education as a social process Education is not just about pouring knowledge into the heads of the students or transferring of skill sets that they become industry ready That is Becoming industry ready is no doubt important But as the famous quote goes education is not the learning of facts, but the training of mind to think therefore To my mind the role of media could or Could or ought to be in transforming the future of education in redefining the current pedagogical practices and making them more engaging contextual holistic participatory and democratic This will take take us away from those binaries that we Generally talk about thinkers think and doers do Why can't we have capable practitioners who are also critical thinkers? I'm sure you all have heard of the book pedagogy of the oppressed by paula freire Who criticized the prevailing practices of education to reduce students to the status of passive objects to be acted upon by teachers In this outdated form of education It is the responsibility of teacher to deposit in the minds of the students the bits and now the bytes of information that constitute knowledge Freire named this Banking education the objective of banking education is to condition people into accepting existing frameworks templates You know and and the historical agency and the frameworks of power In the banking model knowledge is considered to be a gift that is bestowed upon the students by the teacher That's why this whole culture of touching feet and all that Freire is very critical of teachers who see themselves as the singular processors of knowledge While students are deemed to be empty receptacles into which teachers must deposit their knowledge In contrast good teaching consists of creating the conditions for genuine dialogue And so instead of the banking method Freire proposes A reciprocal relationship between the teacher and the student in a democratic environment that allows everyone to learn From learn from each other and appropriate media technologies could be used to do that While the relationship Yeah, okay One minute, okay. I'll skip a little so that's when we talk about transforming the future of education It is essential to envision media technologies as creating a pedagogical space that is not only student-centric What student produced it also means that our curriculums Provide students with balance in inputs both in theory and practice something that we follow in our department To develop professional practitioners who are able to appropriate their skills to diver to diverse socio cultural context And adapt them also to market forces and to state policy, but with a critical and analytical aptitude So I'll end And in In the end Conclusion I would like to answer the question. How is media transforming the future of education with help of a couple of more questions And the first one in that is in this increasingly convergent and challenging world How do we bring about changes in our curriculum to make our students globally aware Locally conscious and ethically grounded practitioners who will also contribute to society I have two others, but I'll only go to the last one now. Thank you very much. Uh, one one last question How must teachers reinvent themselves in roles of collaborators enablers and facilitators for providing a more holistic learning environment In an increasingly networked world in the hope to mentor students into being intellectually ambitious Socially engaged willing to question and to reinvent themselves through their research and practice. Thank you. Thank you very much So she spoke about the binaries between the doers and the philosophers of the theory But let me quickly come to professor sanjay ranade And let me ask him that in this age when the digital journalism is come entirely taking it over But I very rarely see a few of the institutions changing And updating their syllabus syllabi or the curriculum accordingly. So what is your point of view on this? How we can cope up So that we shall not be relevant so To my mind there are four areas which which Media or technology is going to impact in terms of education One of the areas is language Where mass media technology is going to help and it is helping A lot of young people who are first time graduates or first time coming into literacy for that matter And they encounter this literacy in a very traumatic way. It is not a very comfortable way Because what is the language which is being used to teach the language which I speak at my home And the language with which I encounter my own reality and describe it are three completely different languages Okay, we have been doing these studies in rajasthan in villages in rajasthan. That's where I'm talking about So we are going to have these people coming to technology and using that technology on their terms rather than the terms defined by the state And I think that's a good thing The second part is design The whole The whole design of education. I think is going to change. It is going to become more circular Right now our classrooms are politically They are in you know imbalanced where the teacher is fantastically powerful and their student is hopelessly disempowered But we will have circular situations. I think which will be ideal ideally suited for us because we all come from a fantastically pluralistic world And to accommodate that plurality the euro american model of Students in front of me sitting down and me standing up Is uh, you know hopelessly wrong for our country and I think that will change because of mass media The third area where we'll have impact will be ethics Again because we are an evolving society a pluralistic society multilingual society just to give an idea of how multilingual we are In the late 1800s when the british did their first linguistic survey. They identified 19,500 languages in india After that the indian census was done in 1961. We identified 1650 languages In 1971 we brought it down to 122 and now the people's linguistic survey which was done in 2014 identified 850 languages in india If we are talking and don't many tongues We are experiencing that much reality around us and that is going to impact the ethical situation and the last is andragaji Andragaji is added learning Because of the changes in the economic systems We are for the first time we are confronted with two realities which we have never experienced one is a very formal economy Which we are bound to get into whether we like it or not and the second part is that we are going to have a very dominant state Emerging in india The first time that we are being governed, you know, they say they're not governing on but actually they're governing us more And this is going to be normal as far as india is concerned So andragaji, which means that many of us here who are 40 or 50 years old will have to reeducate ourselves And this cannot be done in those classrooms, which we did when we were 15 years old So we will ideally and have to go to mass media To educate ourselves and get those certificates and degrees because otherwise we will not become relevant So if somebody of our age my age, I'm 50 So around my age those who are there if you decide to go into a digital classroom, you will fail So it would be better to go into a you know Environment which is more friendly, which would probably be online and our reeducation will happen online So all the 40 45 years old 50 years old will reeducate themselves that andragaji It will not happen in the traditional classroom. It will happen online. Thank you. Thank you very much So since professor anade spoke about He very quickly summarized everything and he spoke about since power of a teacher and discipline It reminds me the that colonel largan is sitting here who Like who comes from the background of army And now he has joined a media school and he has been heading for a very long time So what is his views on this? How how much discipline is required to make students Better in terms of being fired. Yeah. Yeah, you can take it sir Good afternoon panel. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen Today's a very proud day for me after listening to various speakers And I've suddenly started feeling very fossilized Somebody said I'm too old at 55. Somebody said I'm too old at 60 I think I've crossed 10 sevens and one four That makes me a little more comfortable and the second thing which really impressed me I'll ask for her being a senior citizen will give me two minutes extra Is that there are two or three people who mentioned that They have no formal qualification in media So up till now all the seminars and everything that I was attending has to feel very low I don't have a formal qualification though may have Any other qualification but today even Anurad said I don't have and the zee business head said That I got into media within five minutes or something anyway uh I have been asked to speak on Transforming media in the digital age But since far mentioned something about my background, let me tell you that I am from a very elite Cavalry regiment and I was having a very very good time till this menace of at that time in 1971 1992 Made me to start thinking as to why it is happening because of fake news phenomena was present at that time also The only difference is that today Exposure is far too much through social media through instagram through facebook Whereas at that time I'll with permission of the chair quote two incidents That we were in war in 1971 And once the ceasefire was announced the entire area From gadhara road khokhropa rahim yarkhan chachro right out to pakistan was mined by both the indian and the pakistan armies and There was a track created for 120 kilometers for us to remain there for two years We're using only that little three-feet track to move up and down but the animals there the camels the goats the other gadhas They didn't know that this area is mined they used to go there and blow up and get killed there We were not allowed to go and remove the caracass because there was a danger of us going into And being blown up and we used to leave it there and the entire area used to Rake of very bad smell Now suddenly a huge big delegation of the media people came to cover the stories Which was headed by and that time the media was Not as powerful as today. They were dependent mostly on the press releases and everything they Could not stand there for one minute And they left the place After about half an hour covering their feet there used to be open flat train We used to go on a single track. They couldn't sit there Ultimately After four or five days. We saw certain very interesting stories Written by them how they imagined how they wrote. We don't know as yet Suddenly when the government decided to give back the capture area I'm talking now relating to media education There was a huge big protest by the that time a political party in which later on became the prime minister also Kevin sat down and in dharma And we were asked to vacate them because the territory had to be given back to them And the next day we read in the papers and on the radio that army manhandles Senior political members though. They were not manhandled. They were taken away with great respect This is the kind of fake news. I am sure you all must have been following that famous matthew Amal Walia's program of bbc beyond fake news that existed at that time also Finally what brought me to the world of media after leaving the glittering career career Is that in 92 one very bad story was published and a lot of things were going on About media writing so many things about Unforces because the access to the media was not there. We were all behind an iron curtain The government decided to open up And we allowed access to the media that time But a very bad story appeared about all our role that we are doing what we are doing what we are doing in cash mail That prompted me enough is enough Leave this career and maybe go and start media education Get into that not becoming a hardcore journalist and I came and joined a very prominent institution Indian Institute of mass communication where we started courses for Media education now that time we were banking purely on The traditional teaching methods And today I am told they are also They have gone into because army has allowed so many things access to mobile phones access to Leaving aside the security consideration but How the digital transformation transformation has impacted every industry Media and J education is no exception today's focus Of educational trends in the media in most of the institution is on imparting of digital education Somehow the other earlier also three years ago. I think four years ago. There was a seminar here in which I had put up a point That we must Have some independent member from the media industry into the ugc We also must have media subjects journalism and all segregated from the topic of rather the domain of uh Arts humanities and other things because they don't understand how media functions It's not happened for the last three years And that is why through the medium of this media summit Which probably is one of the finest thing that i'm seeing that a paper should be put up to the government of the ugc To try and have these things implemented the next thing in the education field that I see I've come down to the uh digital part later Is that we must what you call? Insist on the ugc to let us follow the current trends and the media must support for that Which they are unfortunately not doing Educators are coming to realize the benefits of technology. I have not even started my paper when the bell is rung the two minutes extra that I asked you Finally, I would rather like to conclude In fact, uh, we were given this Topic only about a day ago two days ago and I was in a holiday and last night In my hotel room in goa I went through the business center that I want to type something and take out a print out So they charge me through the nose and that is why I asked for two minutes extra uh, finally That we have to know other than many other things which I was thinking of Introduce teaching and gaming to introduce what we call new set of classrooms With digital technology in place like, you know boards and smart things We've got to what you call think of artificial intelligence Artificial intelligence is that today's teaching and everything has become so easy That the parents can really keep track of their child's education Right online So we have to have some kind of a technology available in our own classrooms also and finally I wish This seminar this summit puts up certain points Which probably by the next like anurad said next day. We'll have a much bigger one comes into practice and we see a change Thank you so much ladies and gentlemen Thank you. Colonel Darden Uh, now I would like to call professor amri saksena and His views about whatever colonel Sagan spoke about the phenomenon of fake news because fake news is As he mentioned is something not very new This idea is there since 30 years ago 40 years ago. It was We had this but still we don't find Mention of fake news 10 years back now Universities and institutions are integrating and imparting education relating to the contemporary challenges which they feel How do you feel the future of media education can be evolved? Do you have any solutions or suggestions so that we can work on more talking about Fake news the term may be new to us for the reason because president It started using this term and then Everywhere in the world we started using this term that there's something like fake news Whether fake news exists or not Uh, the term may be new but then earlier we Used to have the term like paid news Or if we go back right from the beginning When this whole problem started we are in not the right kind of news is being presented or It's not being presented the way it should present or wherever there are Factual problems. There is not reliability of the data or the facts which Has to be there in the news right from the beginning. So we Used to have the term for this yellow journalism. So right from yellow journalism to fake news. I did not find much difference As far as the basic concept is concerned Except that every time we are coming out with a new term and we are using that term now any any departure From the the the the real practice of journalism or the way the news should be written the basic objective of writing any news and presenting it to the readers listeners and viewers is to keep them informed but then Inform keeping them informed with a perspective every news is written with a perspective It's not merely providing the information But if that perspective goes into we are in Either by mistake Or by deliberately We are trying to put into such facts in the news which we know are not correct Or we know that This is going to damage somebody This is going to benefit somebody and if i'm i as a journalist are doing it knowing fully well That what i am doing is not ethically correct So that is where the problem starts whether we call it paid news or fake news or yellow journalism Whatever name we can give it to you now The problem is that Like if we look at whatever is happening in kashbir there might be a lot of perspective Whatever is being covered if i can give you a slight departure from journalism not the complete departure There was a documentary which was made about three four years back On kashmir so i forget the name of the filmmaker, but he was not given the sensor certificate On the ground that The documentary was biased and it was showing only one side of the story The filmmaker went to the tribunal There he found the rejection He went to the supreme he went to the high court High court also rejected his Petition on the ground And what i can tell you about the documentary the documentary was Where in the filmmaker had taken the interviews of the people whose Whose children had gone busy Right now obviously if this is a documentary there is a perspective with which the filmmaker would have made the documentary Now there was no possibility of keeping a balance of that there can't be no other side of the story So there might be a journalist like whatever is happening in kashmir if we refer to that There might be a journalist who is covering all good things about the army the kind of encounters they are doing And the way they are killing the terrorists or eliminating the terrorists there could be another perspective wherein there could be Human right violation on the people in kashmir now What is the real story in this and what is fake in this there could be a lot of such problems Where in the army is involved in fake encounters? It has been established on a number of times by the army itself So if that is carried whether it's fake or not if we are not writing about whatever wrongs are committed by the army Then there is a good news and the positive news if we are raising a voice against that Or we are writing about that that that might be considered a fake news If we are not towing the line of the government then that might be a fake news or if we are Writing something against the government for the sake of writing against the government That also the might also be interpreted as a fake news. So it's a very difficult area. It's a very confusing area What I feel in journalism Everything should be in a perspective Everything which is being reported which is being covered has to be contextual Because out of the blue if you are or there should be no hidden agenda while you are doing journalism If you have a hidden agenda in journalism, then there is a problem You have to practice the profession with a completely open mind with the larger interest of the society larger interest of the country Though there again, there is a question mark. What is in the larger interest of the country? And as media educators, obviously we have a difficult task handling these Kind of things what I feel as media educators what we are desired to do or what we are expected to do Give them a holistic picture to the students Give them a rational and objective picture of the thing Rest should be left to the students because when we are teaching journalism particularly, I'm not talking about other areas of media Then obviously our job is to Show them whatever is there Then rest is should be rest should be left to them to take their call How they how they deliberate how they discuss and analyze certain things How they choose their own course of action and how they decide what kind of journalism They want to practice whether pro establishment or anti establishment or or whatever whether pro people or pro army or whatever So a lot of versions of journalism are there. So I think we should not confine All such things simply to the fake news Whatever wrongs or malpractices or wrongdoings are happening or the not the accurate reporting is happening All that should be covered as a problem which we are confronting in journalism And so we are confronting the same kind of issues in journalism education. Thank you. Thank you. Dr. Saxena. Thank you Since he spoke about perspectives in media. So I am sure there are Plenty of media houses whose amount of reporting anyone can make out whether it is a pro establishment or is it an anti establishment? So various where we need to understand that there is a larger propaganda behind any kind of certain news Taking from the lead that Dr. Saxena has given that it is all about perspective Let me come to professor sushil behel and ask him that how would you train a journalism student? So No, professor cp Singh requested me that he'll he wants to speak in the last because he is preparing for something that's why So what according to you is the role of an educator when it's about the perspectives when he doesn't have any opinion When whatever he was made to learn in the school and somebody in the last session was Saying that you have to unlearn everything. So unlearning is not only learning whatever you have Learned and acquired from the textbook knowledge, but it is also from the ideologies which somebody supports So a journalist having a leftist ideology joining a pro-government group may not be able to work So professor sushil behel, how would you try to establish a balance? I'm not really a journalist I'm a salesman. So when it comes to a salesman He tries to be an all-rounder But somehow I have been tuned to a b-school Approach I have been teaching writing On the b-school kind of media and education My firm belief is just three or four points number one media are tools for communication And they teach our students the young people I'm getting old and I am old. So I have to preach to the young To be influencers Today you have the millenniums you have various concepts put up by media related to education I pick on the word influencer Now when you talk of influencer Education has a role like the new symbol Anurag Bhattra in the morning talked about it passed by supreme court which Calls teachers as nation builders Okay, now that's too wide a subject for a person like me to talk about but I do like to say That when we talk of media Media education and mba education We need to keep in mind that we are Making influencers And how do you make influencers? Make them industry ready Make them employable And develop some personal qualities in them Which I have written a small little piece The brand you Now unless all these three things Are put into the education and media Backset or doesn't back it is going to make all the difference And that's where education will become A force in nation building That's what I would have to put across to you In my own humble way Thank you. Thank you very much sir So moving quickly to professor cp Singh I would also request him sir because we are running short of time to summarize it with the So that I don't have to take two more minutes to summarizing what everybody has said Over to you sir. Thank you respected veterans on the dais And more than veterans in the audience including students My introduction was slightly wrong and that should not be counted as part of my running time. I am just a professor not the hod media Education is part of the education as a whole And the topic says though media how media Is transforming education. So I limit myself the text of the topic And this limitation has inspired me To read out to you later. I wrote Uh nearly six months ago This is two professors Later from a professor to fellow aked missions Dear aked mission Namaskar I have a request Will you as an individual professional care to ask yourself Just a few simple questions The questions are For the professors educators Is my understanding of the problem based on the data led narratives Or the narrative led data Are you guided by the narratives? Then you gather data or you are guided by The narratives that are Guided by data Not the narrative leading to data Data leading to narratives Second question Do I critique a solution in view of what is desirable Under ideal situations Or what is feasible under real life situations? That means Do you only critique A situation Or you also provide a solution to the problem at hand under the prevailing circumstances three Third question for the teachers Do I have Ideology inspired ready made solutions to the problems at hand Do I have ideology inspired ready made solutions to the problem at hand or Have a basket of perspectives Capable of providing customized Required and the needed solutions to the problems at hand And the final question Do I have Concepts a stretch from the west Or I have the concepts that are indigenously developed Or customized to our own Indian conditions or any condition that you are operating in I as an individual have there to ask myself these questions And my answers for myself as a teacher are I would say Not very encouraging Answers are from my side We rarely bother to Let data is speak for themselves As we are too cowardly To work on data lead narratives The narrative led data gathering makes us Intellectually lazy And we conveniently embrace what is desirable under ideal Circumstances which actually never happens Rather than under What is feasible in the prevailing circumstances Consequently We end up In venting mark my words that is what is happening today in the university system All over the country Particularly in the social sciences and humanities which includes media Consequently we end up inventing a conflict where there is none We invent a conflict where there is none And we bypass the conflict where there is one intellectually The fourth answer that I have from my side as an individual in the KDM Intellectually incapacitated by our embrace of the ideology driven ready made solutions We further regress into Depending on anything that is foreign And overtly start priding in self-heat Which results in sheer absence of indigenous Concepts I skip to some of the original concepts that you can apply In your life in education as an educator or elsewhere Buddha jivi versus buddhi vilasi Buddha jivi versus buddhi vilasi buddhi virodi buddhi pishach buddhi vanchak buddhi vanchit buddhi veer and buddhi yoddha Ask the questions Have you been churning out over the last 70 years buddhi vanchit or buddhi yoddha and buddhi virangana? Answers are yours not mine Galips comes very handy in situations you you you feel uncomfortable. So he is helping me too Umr bhar ghalib yeh bhol karta raha Dhul chehre pedhi Aina saaf karta Educators are Not trying to fix the problem At the root They are trying to discuss the tip of the iceberg And when you discuss the tip of the iceberg you meet the fate of titanic Thank you very much. Thank you very much So with this I would like to call Karthik here so that we can formally conclude the session and start the next one I believe Thank you gentlemen. I request you to stay on stage I'd like to call upon mr. Sagar Kaushik co-founder please and strides foundation to kindly join me on stage To felicitate all our panelists mr. Kaushik Could I request the delegates to please give a round round of applause for the delegates over here, please? Thank you So Thank you delegates. Thank you. Mr. Kaushik. Thanks a lot Ladies and gentlemen before we move on to our next discussion I would request everybody to please maintain silence while the panel is in motion