 Here in Powys we have a set up called LRISP which is aimed at the lower tier so when they're not involved with social services there's all the areas, all the health, education, all sit round the table together and you can take a case forward to it and we find that a lot of young carers hit that particular group so they're a group with additional needs but they're not at a level where social services particularly needs to get involved so we've played quite a big part in that and I think it's really enhanced our status and also the awareness of young carers because they've been quite surprised how many young people there are who have caring responsibilities who need just that little bit of extra support really Part of the role of meeting here at the youth centre and having a youth worker involved with the club is hopefully to link them in with other youth service provisions that are going on and there's a couple of lads here that didn't go to anything before they came here and they're now attending other youth service clubs that happen here in the centre and they have more confidence to join other youth club activities which is great because we can obviously only offer so much I particularly work with two high schools and we now have carers champions in each of our schools so I have one point of contact in the school to go to which is really helpful because you don't always know who the link is in that school and they have a much greater awareness of young carers just because I'm constantly going in and meeting young people there and I think they value my input there and they sort of learn just through the fact that I'm regularly going in and sort of meeting particular young people and there's an awareness of who the young carers are in that school and it makes the school feel like they're contributing more to supporting them as well and just having a better awareness all around Well at this group that we run, I've got young people from 8 all the way up to 20 and definitely this sort of 14 and over occasionally we try to do different activities for them so we've got a different Christmas party for them occasionally we run nights specifically for them as well but they really enjoy being part of the whole group and being the mentors for the younger ones and taking on a little bit more responsibility within the group and I think they enjoy their status really of mixing with all the others so it's not always the right environment here to talk about the kind of things that they want to talk about so I quite often have to meet up with them outside of this group or signpost them to organisations that are more specifically able to help them with careers or whatever I think we're such a constant factor in their life so we've known them all the way through in a lot of cases we don't sort of work just for six weeks so there's just this inbuilt trust and so we're a good point to sort of, as I said before just to sort of signpost out really so not take it all on ourselves and think that we're the expert to everything because clearly we're not and there are many other organisations that are better equipped to help them with grants or help them with applying to university or this sort of thing we're quite a good central pen to sort of point them in the right direction or meet and show them the right people