 We had was never anything toxic ever toxic like I didn't see anything when it came down to business like he's a businessman he held everything and then he told me that he mentioned God and he used the God for that he told me that he had killed someone and he felt like this was his opportunity for redemption yeah we on boss talk one-on-one yeah we gonna talk I'm a real boss so I don't have a representative for me then there's nobody telling me do or don't he's not I don't even to talk for me you know I'm saying I need to be his manager so he wouldn't be on her acting so crazy so you would you would never work with this guy again I'm not working with him and then this event is not his event so we're gonna still move forward okay just out of it okay so he basically how did he end up even linking into it yeah because we were this is a thing we were on the phone his um public is at the time she's no longer his public is from my understanding and me and her we're just having conversations because we grew a relationship and how many you are talking I was telling her and we just brainstorming about stuff and I was like you know a murder changed me because she lost someone to murder and I said murder change we can go across the board to victims and people to actually kill people I said so many people are affected by murder so murder changes more than just a parent and she was like you know what that's good something something so we did a conference call and we called him and we were talking about it and within the next week or two I started seeing she started having conversations she was like yeah yeah something cuz murder changed me I'm like what is that and she said uh she said we're gonna she shared that with him but he took it and created this I guess so event I guess he just had a conversation right and so it's a good idea and I was even saying I was like and you know what we can probably use um like change up the pattern you know how the MCM purses or whatever like oh yeah we can get a deal with him we could do this so everything was bad by money trust me I'm learning that and in the beginning that's not how I was represented right and so it was just something of like get it together and I seen the flyer and so I'm like okay I see what's going on and like I said it because it was so familiar to me I'm for that kind of stuff like I really am now what he has taught me is to be careful who I get connected with but when it comes down to a healing I'm for because I'm a prime example that it's possible in the beginning did you see any signs because you know you know they always say we have a spirit of discernment did you see any signs from him I did not because you got to understand the conversation he's very intelligent so the conversation we had was never anything toxic ever toxic like I didn't see anything when it came down to business like he's a businessman he owned everything and then he told me that he mentioned God and he used the God for that he told me that he had killed someone and he felt like this was his opportunity for redemption so I'm like I'm amazed and inspired by his story because you are actually you know a killer to this before we met the other guys the panel people I'm just meeting you like dang you look and you don't change your life around and you want to you know anybody that's tuned in to God that's a praise break when you could change your life around so that's what connected me with the whole situation yeah well when you look at the track record and the people that's been on this show they say that he didn't even do the it wasn't him that murdered anyway so it's like like when you hear these stories it sounds good but you know like I quoted earlier you know there's a deal where you know even Satan himself is transforming to an angel of light right so you know that you know like people can change you know wolves come in and she's so people are turning on you in a minute and I'm and that's just the way it is you know and like I said I always wish them the best with whatever you do but I just know that as you you should be happy because you're not attached exactly and even now like I don't have an ill-will feeling like I mean either I don't even care enough to know like I don't want to know his history I'm not gonna go search him and find out his old stuff but you didn't go through enough with him that you don't even know like I don't even know you a couple of few little minutes and then and so this I just want people because people have been you know I can tell the difference in folks they kind of quiet they want to reach out but they don't know how I'm feeling they think I messed up I'm like you know we're gonna hush cuz we gonna wait to see you you know I'm getting text messages calls you know just checking on you I am good yeah we on boss talk one-on-one yeah we gonna