 So that's what I mean when I say more broadly. Does the truth matter? Are we compelled to constantly be looking for that evidence-based truth beyond our personal truth? Because contrasting that with, oh, this is my experience thing saying, well, here's what the data tells us. You get a sense of what I'm saying. And I think that's the important thing to focus on is it's not really about the truth. It's about how do we move people to think in a way that enables them to move towards the truth. And I think there's a distinction there in are we focused on the end game or we focused on the journey of how do we get them there. And it's really funny because the first time I listened to Skeptico it was a Joe Atwell episode. And I was like, I can't listen to this. I mean, I'm not Christian, but I was like, what is this guy talking about? And it was, you know, and I turned it off. And it took me a while to come back to it. And when I did, I started at episode one, and I got to go on the Skeptico journey so that when I listened to an episode now, like, you know, I'd haven't listened to the most recent one with Christopher Knowles. But when I listened to that, I'm not going to be like this guy. What is he talking about? Because I've been on the journey. There's been a transformation for me to see and go through the process of all of those moments of like, how can this be? How can this be? Pull back? How can this be pulled back so that I could get to where I am now? And I'm probably still well on my way in that journey. And that's what happens when I tell people about Skeptico all the time. But I always tell them with this huge caveat, you cannot start the latest episodes. You got to go back to the beginning because you won't, if you listen to that episode, the recent ones, you're not going to be able to handle it. You're just not there. You need to go on that journey so that you can open yourself up to that possibility, what it means to be skeptical, what it means to change your perspective, what it means to feel the discomfort and survive it and go through the discomfort of having those nights where you can't sleep because you're going, what is reality? What does it mean to be a member of this country? What does that even mean anymore? And these questions that come up through that process, each step gets you a little bit closer to the possibility of being in that state of being okay in the middle. Being okay in the journey without a destination, without knowing what the answer is and moving towards it. And I think, to me at least, the more important thing is not the truth, even though I think you and I personally both enjoy the truth. That to me is a fun journey, but in terms of the larger question, it's not about the truth. It's about how do we move people towards that? How do we help them feel comfortable identifying or thinking in a way that enables them to find it?