 All right. Well, hello, everyone. I'm Betsy co and I'm joining me tonight is as co post is Steve Greenwood. And I'm zooming in from Chicago, I've, I've been a member of wiki tree for about four years now. And like, like many people, I, I came and joined I thought it sounded wonderful. And then I got overwhelmed and I fled. And then I met some really wonderful people wiki trees who you know just gave me a little pieces of information here and there. And, you know, I got the confidence to, to re enter and really start building my tree on wiki tree and it's been a wonderful experience. I'm now a member I've gone through the training trails for Canada and Scotland and partially through England. I'm a member of those projects and also a member of the mentors project and the events committee. And yeah, I spend a lot of daily time on wiki tree and it's my happy place. Steve, do you want to introduce yourself. Oh, hi, I'm Steven. I've been a member since 2020. So yeah, my grandmother, who sadly recently passed away, she did get me back into the hobby again. She sent me a really large pedigree chart and it started just went from there and I was searching online. And then I found that one of my cousins in Germany was adding a whole bunch of my ancestors were people I was like researching. So once I connected with him, the ball just kind of rolled from there. And then I found that was just involved in a lot of different projects. And now I'm also in the events committee with Betsy as well. So, you know, we're responsible for putting things together like wiki games and upcoming wiki tree day. And, you know, we want to make this a community for people. We don't want it to just be, you know, you working on your tree by yourself. The idea is collaboration, you know, because we're all working on the same shared world tree here. And eventually at some point we're all going to connect, right? So that's kind of the idea behind it. And we just want to keep supporting that, you know, community atmosphere and that aspect. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, we don't. Very often for these sessions we have some people who step up in advance and say, yes, you know, I'll be the guinea pig and I'll let you look at my profiles. No one stepped up this week. So Elaine did ask some questions about privacy so we can start. So it's just going to be an open really open true Q&A. And Elaine, do you have the profile IDs that. Sure. So when you say the profile IDs, I give you the name dash and the number is that what. Exactly. And tell you what, why don't I screen share. And get myself to the wiki tree homepage. Move you guys down. Okay. All right, so what is, what is the first and the last name is Switzer SW it ZER. Yep. SW it ZER. And the number is 1843. Michael, I'm going to mute you. There we go. All right, tell me if that does that look right Elaine. Yes. So Arthur David Switzer is my grandfather. And I entered, not only my grandfather but also do you see like, you know it's listed his birth date and then it goes down to father of. My children are listed, but I don't know how I did it. Some of them are ended up with private profiles and they're not necessarily meant to be private. Do you see a few of them are. I do. And do you see on screen I'm looking right at your grandfather's profile. Yes. Yes. Okay. So the key, the key to privacy is up here in the upper right hand corner. So this green unlocked profile icon shows that it's an open profile. And there's no, you know, anyone can come in and make changes and you know, hopefully they collaborate with you at the profile manager, I see. Right. Okay. But now if we click on this. It's going to take us to a page that explains all the different sorts of privacy levels. So, I mean, we can go as restricted as completely unlisted, which would, and each of these has a description. So, you know, private private for. For most living members, these pop private with public family tree, or private with public biography and family tree are what you want, so that so that other people can know who you are and, and, you know, reach out to collaborate. Yes. So now that I know that how do I so for the first one that's listed, which is, I guess, my uncle, Donald Robert, do I click to his profile then and just go into that lock icon and change it. Well, since no, okay, so let me show you. Okay, where you change it is this privacy tab. Okay. You would click on that. And then you would be able to now I, the profile manager has to, or someone on the trusted list has to, but you would, you would select what you want. And then I think there's a save button there, but I can't do that because I'm okay. No, no, that's fine. I just wanted to know how I did it. So, I mean, my grandfather's as you can see is is open it's unlocked right. It's public, but I would need to go into my uncle's then Donald Robert Switzer. Right. Well, it actually looks like because I can see Donald's he is. Well, let's see what is very deceased and so he has a green lock. He's privacy level public. And you are the profile manager. Right, right. We can see him but the person we can't see is this these these children would be listed in birth order. Yes. Does Donald have an older brother. No. Sorry, yes, my father. Okay, so it looks like this. As you can see on my screen, it's listed as private son 1930s to unknown. That's your father. You see, I can't even see him. Yeah, and if he's still living, it should remain like that if he's not a member. Oh, I see because he's not a member. Yeah, yeah, if you invite him as a member, then he can have a somewhat visible profile. He can still control the privacy of that profile. So, you know, if he wants to lock it down to a red, he can do it. But if he wants to be a little more accessible, you know, he can have a orange or yellow like we do. But as a person who's living who doesn't have a profile automatically has to be unlisted for privacy purposes. I see that's the part I didn't understand. Okay, so I guess the system because well I entered the information because he's living. Yeah, that's why it automatically then defaulted to this. Right. So it automatically assumes that if you don't give it a def date that the person is still living, and so it lists them, but it still allows you to connect to the tree, because the great thing about wiki tree is that it has that privacy level for those living people. And then it can cut through to the deceased individuals. So you can do your research. Right. So that's, that's just why you don't see him. And yeah, there's some comments here from Steven regarding that as well in the chat. Oh, yeah, let's see what. You can go to his profile and edit and scroll down to the email, add his email and save. Yeah. Right. And that's how you would invite a person to join wiki tree, and then they would be the profile manager of that profile. So the challenge is my father is 91, his ability to manage this is right. Not there. So, you know, I will be with him in a week's time so I can just verbally go through all of the information with him and if he can sense then I can set it up for him then is that right. Yeah, yep. So it looks like I wonder Steve, would you know, so if it says night 1930s to unknown, I wonder if Elaine really clicked living. Well, I mean, if it's not provided. It just assumes that the person's living. Okay. So the definite has to be entered to create a deceased profile. But there's an option radio button that says still living, I believe. Well, yeah, but you don't necessarily have to click it. Like, if you click it, it's a confidence marker, right? Right. So I mean, that definitely will activate it. But let's look at her profile. Let's just go to Elaine really quick and click on her ancestors. I want to see, you know, we can see what the public would look at when they see her family tree. So go ahead and click on ancestors. And we, yeah, we can see that the private, the father's private, the mother is deceased. So she's accessible. But yeah, this is what people would see from the outside looking in. You can see your father because you created his profile and your profile. But this is what people should be seeing on the outside looking in. Okay, I guess that's what, yeah, that's what confused me. Okay, so that's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. If I can show you one thing, just from the perspective of here's, here's my profile. And therefore, and you see I have this, I have private private with public biography and family tree. But of course, I can see everything because it's my, but if I want to see what will somebody else see. I will have this little hyperlink. And then I will see, you know, it's no longer going to give my exact birthday. Okay, I got it. Yeah. Anything that you type in the biography is still visible. So you gotta be careful with biographies, you can type information in your biography, but if it's birth and death information, you know, that could override the whole point of the privacy on the rest of the page. So you have to be careful what you put in the biography. Right. And sometimes people will list things like list things in the bio that will totally defeat the purpose of the privacy setting. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, now if someone. So my aunt Lynn Switzer. She passed away in March. And so I added her death date onto the profile but I still notice in what you what you had for my grandfather that hers was still private is it not. Well, she is I haven't memorized the colors yet. I really should. She's private with a public tree. It could be because of how recent she passed away. Okay. There may be some buffer built from the system. But if you're able to, I mean, since you are a profile manager, if you're able to select a different version that shows more information, you know, that that's a little more accessible. You would want to you would select the green options. So the green option would be public. But again, it would not be open because those are for profiles that are old, you know, at least 100 years old and then anybody can get those. So you still want to have some privacy for editing. Okay, well that again very helpful. Thank you. Okay. And again, it's your discretion. You don't have to unlock that you can still keep it to this level of privacy if you choose to because of how recent it happened. So that is completely up to you what you decide to do with that. Thank you very much. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, I think the only other thing let's see if I can get these numbers right. If a person was a person died more than 100 years ago, was born more than 150 years ago. They're quite thanks to them. Their profile is required to be unlocked with just a automatic thing. Okay. And again, that's that's for collaboration purposes because people are not accessible for editing, then the tree doesn't grow. Exactly. Yeah. Great. Any other questions. No, I just, that was the one that just really befuddled me. Otherwise, I've been able to, to manage. And I am curious when I create a family tree. So if we go to my, my grandfather, Arthur, David Switzer again. Yeah, let me, there we go. Okay. If I wish to create a family tree for him to go back as far as possible because we, I believe it's his like great great great grandfather from 1648 or something or other, but the trees that I seem to be able to build don't go back that far. Okay, well let's see what we've got so far. Just clicked on ancestor from Ireland. That's right. That's the ancestor from the, from Germany and migrated to Ireland and then came to Canada. So if you go up to the far right to Adam Switzer, like there's several. He sounded more of a German or Swiss name because Switzer is Swiss and German. I wonder if they actually came from Switzerland. Actually, we have information that goes back to the 1400s that most likely that came from Switzerland, but then moved to Asenheim in Germany and then migrated to Ireland and then to Canada as well. So they've gone through four countries and they're technically five countries is the United States. It's actually pretty impressive, I think. Let's let me just take a look at them. Okay. Have you been in touch with the profile manager just seems like collaboration. Well, actually, she and Deborah Dirks have done tremendous amounts of work. And so if you see on the right hand side, you'll see. Oh, Deborah Dirks is the fourth cousin I was telling you about that. Yeah. So that's how we connected. So if you look at this family tree now, you'll see it goes back further. And so my, my question is like, how do I create up one full some family tree that goes from Arthur David, all the way up the door hand. Yes. Okay. This lovely pictorial way, not in the list way. Right, right. And I mean, right now, we are limited by the size of the screen. But there is an app that's the dynamic family tree is what we want to look at. So let me, I felt like I should go back to Elaine's great. Arthur. Arthur. Okay. Not here. Go to tree apps. Oh, that's Donald. No. Yeah, there you go. Okay. So you want to, this is a very handy bar. So tree. Yes. Okay. I imagine you want to print this off or something, right? Well, so here there's a pull down menu. So you want Steven the dynamic tree. Yeah. Okay. It uses JavaScript to be able to exponentially expand. So it's dynamic. And this also shows children as well. This can get out of hand really quick. So all right. And I see that I can make it smaller. To. Add more to make it fit. Yeah. Yeah, I see what you mean, Steven. It's getting. The computer might slow down too. Yeah, this is the one where I had clicked on the profile. Exactly. And now we can no longer see all of it. But yeah, I would say that. Zoom out a little bit. There. Yeah. Remember when I had that slide that I showed a Christopher with like everything extending out. Oh yeah. Way back to the Charlemagne. Yeah. I can, I can see how you're building it, but also with my grandfather, Arthur, his children. So do you see on the left there? Yeah. It just says Lynn and Donald. Those are only the ones that are deceased. There are five. Like there were nine children. But those are the ones you're not seeing are the ones whose privacy levels. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And so until I get those opened, I can't really create it, but I, okay. That's wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You can keep clicking on the Swissers and see how far back they go. Let's see. All right. I've got all of those. Oops. Nope. I missed. Here. Here. I don't expand all but now. I don't think you want to do that. Do you want to kill a key tree? This is how you cool. Lane, I'm curious. Are you pre-1700 certified? Yeah. Yeah. So wiki tree has a system in place. Since things get, you know, the branches get a little thinner pre-1700. There's just like a page that talks about how finding reliable sources. There's a, there's a quiz you take. And once you've passed the quiz, then you're considered pre-1700 certified. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one who entered with me is the one who created these profiles that go way, way back. Well, I mean, look at this. I am just not running out of plus signs. And it's starting to run into our research because I'm part of Germany projects. So of course, as soon as it hits Germany and I'm pre-1700 certified myself. So I could go ahead and work on anything up to 1500. I have to have additional certification for medieval stuff, which is pre-1500. But most of our records basically go to about 16 or 1500 anyway. So for my purposes, it's not really that important. But yeah, I would like probably look at your German profiles and want to work on those. Okay. See, it's not even Germany at that point. It's the Holy Roman Empire. Well, we're in still. Oh, there's pedigree collapse. Look at that. You got some autonomy right there because you got some repeating names in Jacob Dolmich. Really? Yeah. Look at that. Johannes is the same. Adam is the same. And then the children, the daughters are different. Dorothy and Elizabeth were the two different sisters. And then they married different men. And then their children eventually married each other. You see that? Yeah, I do. I do. So yeah, you're going to find pedigree collapse pretty easily when you go really far back into the records. And then the name starts to repeat. It's further up the tree that I guess is my direct lineage. So I'm afraid that I'm not as familiar with this that you're looking at right now, but. Can you go to the left Betsy? Go to the. Sorry. Bring everything to the. That's it. Push it to the right. So we can. Okay. So the core nails that that's what's breaking out into these German. Benner's and Dolmages, which became Dolmets. But I think you have to go up. But yeah, then if you follow head north, I guess maybe that's the best way to do this. Go earlier. I think she wants to see the sweatshirts. Oh, okay. There you go. So you still. Yeah. Keep. So your hand. Schweitzer. So the name was. Schweitzer. Switch. There they are again. There's, there's three Jacobs on here now. Wow. They must have been in a really small area because they're all overlapping. You see that? You can, you can still do you see you have your hand Schweitzer. You're still a plus sign there. That's my kind of more direct lineage. Oh, okay. There. Right. Right. If you were a man that would be like your Y DNA line. So. But your Y, Y DNA wasn't passed to you as a lady. So you wouldn't be able to use that DNA. But if somebody that, you know, if your father could do it, actually your father. If he's still alive. Could do a DNA test with Y DNA and then it can follow that Schweitzer line all the way out. Yeah. Well, he's nine to one. He's still here. Yeah. I got my grandmother in a DNA test before she passed away. So I'm glad she did that. You know, you can, you can send him a DNA test. He can just do the test and mail it off. And then you can be the profile. Well, you can be like the DNA manager for that purpose. Then. Why do you think, why DNA is a swab, right? It's not. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're all some kind of nasal swab or, you know, cheek swab or something. I think it was a cheek swab. It's just, it's hard for 80 and 90 year old people to, to provide as much saliva. I suffoled. I don't think about that. Cheap swab is the way to go. Right. Right. I mean, but in any case, there should be enough DNA, you know, when you swab enough to be able to put that into a container and ship it off. I would recommend that, you know, if you really want to follow this, the Schweitzer line, you know, like that, that's something that could be added to your interest. You know, with your family. Awesome. But yeah, it looks like Johann Schweitzer is the last one. And then it cuts out, but the Kessel rings keep going. Interesting. And then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then. Yeah. And so. How is there a way now that we've expanded it with all of the. Expanding all of the plus signs and so on to be able to print this. Yes, I think I've never done it, but I've heard of people. Is there a way to save it as a file? And then you would, you would. That is a great question. We can click on help. Yeah. There's a button right there. No. How to find, no, this is all about tree apps. How to use tree apps. Dynamic tree navigating. It doesn't really talk about printing. No. I mean, there are printable versions of things, but they're going to be a lot more restrictive. You know, I think. You have to take a screenshot of your screen basically. Yeah. Also, if you had like a really big screen, you could fit a lot more into there. I actually wish that we were able to take the top part of the screen and drag it up so that we could see more of the active screen. Maybe I'll recommend that and see if somebody can do something about that and you know, they're always open to feedback. They're always open to new ideas. And other concerns. Yeah. It's interesting that we can, you know, click it to create a PDF or something like that. I, you know, I'm not ruling that out. I just, I don't know how to do it. Yeah. Everything is created by users. We haven't thought of everything. There's always room for opportunity. They also have this thing called a hacktoberfest coming up very soon. This will be an opportunity where they work on stuff just like this and it could be a brainstorming activity for them. So, you know, maybe it's something we can submit and say, like, hey, we saw that there were some things that could be improved on with the dynamic tree or are you willing to, you know, check it out. So those guys. At least I mean the other, the other tree that I was able to, to create just like the, the one before you expanded it, Betsy. Yeah. That was a little bit more colorful. Yeah. The other. I couldn't even print it's to actually kind of match it up, you know, like a puzzle. Yeah. What happens when we do basic. Oh, that. Okay. That's the one I mean. So if I tried to print that and then I go to Adam and just print his to try and put them together. It doesn't quite work, but that's really the lovely pieces of information that I would. I would like to put together in a, in one document. Yeah. I usually just draw mine out. I get a poster board. Yes. It's so much nicer anyway. But yeah, I mean, not every piece of technology is going to provide you what you want to see. I mean, the pedigree chart does give us out to second grade grandparents. So you can stack those on top of one another potentially. But, but yeah, like I said, not every piece of technology is going to, you know, work for what you need. You may have to like find a new avenue. Sometimes you have to invent that avenue, which is what those guys are good about doing that. They make new stuff that didn't exist before. Well, we can't, we can't be the only ones to wish to have ever wished for printable trees. Right. If there's enough interest on someone may come up with a solution. I want to correct the spelling on that. But I don't know what this profile is. My, my OCD is a, it's clicking. It's twitching a little bit right now. Let me help you stay there. It's hidden. No, I can still see it. Oh no. Sorry. It's an open profile. I can work on this. Well, I'm sure Deborah would not mind you correcting the spelling. I don't want to upset people, but yeah, sometimes I have to go through. I have a tendency to want to just clean profiles up because they, they can look pretty messy sometimes. I'm going to try to fix some of the formatting for place names and locations, things too sometimes. Let me, since you have a really strong interest research research wise in the Swissers. If you, you can do this here or on the homepage, just search for Swiss or click on the name too. You can do that. Now you're going to get this page, which is going to give you all the Swissers on wiki tree, including Deborah. Both, you know, who married into the family or who were born into the family. And I love this fact that you can, you have all these ways to sort it. Oh, you can see like what, what have people been doing on the Swissers. I see. Okay. Yeah, recent changes. And I like alpha order and date order. Put in date order. It'll show you the oldest one on all of wiki tree, which is probably going to be. Oh, here we go. England, actually. And then bear in Switzerland. And there's Austin. If anybody is participating in the source of time at the end of the month. And you're looking for on source profiles. Then you click on sourced. And then you can be working on your surname of interest. Well, contributing towards the, you know, the activity. There's some small, but isn't there too? Yeah. How did, oh yes, I did notice that that the, the initial hits are the surname that you're interested in. And it goes straight to that. They veer off into closely related or. Well, this is alphabetical. It's taking you straight to that index. So then anything after that is still alphabetical. So switcher, you know, after that is Swazinski, Swos, Swaboda. I have a friend who's got, who's married into Swaboda. So that's a name I recognize now. I see. Yeah. What else is. If you look at all 1.2 million of them. Yeah, you're going to start at a. More orphaned. So these are, these are Switzer profiles where there's no profile manager. Yeah. You might wish to adopt them. Oh, some really cool names in there. Avarilla, Geneta, Switzer, Iris, Avarilla, Switzer. Wow. Just known as that. Oh, and that was a jet. That was a jet com. So a lot of times when jet coms are created, there's not really profile managers associated with them. And there's usually a lot of cleaning up that has to be done on those profiles as well. But if you run, if you run across a profile like this where it says no profile manager, just click on adopt this profile. And what's this other thing? View the family line. What does that mean? Oh, okay. So these are all the orphans that are attached to. So adoptable profiles are highlighted in yellow. Yeah. Oh, okay. So I can help clean up a list pretty quickly. If you're just looking for everybody in that family vicinity. Oh, Pennsylvania, cool. Lots of. Lots of rabbit holes to fall into. Yes, exactly. Well, you've really. You've already shown me a lot of things that I wasn't aware of. Just lack of experience. Well, that's what we're here for. Yes. Click on Nathaniel. Yeah. So. Was this one of your ancestors or, I mean, because it's a, it's a Switzer who lives in this village in Germany, but they don't have any additional father attached to it. But we know that they go beyond this point. Well, certainly shows, you know, to have been around in the same area. And this is not a name that has surfaced for me before. Interesting, but they still, they went to County Limerick where the rest of them went. So I'm thinking this is a, maybe a brother of your direct ancestor, maybe, or at least someone close to that line. So that's something you can look into, right? Yeah, that's right. Hmm. Well, I'm just fascinated by the whole, you know, moving from Germany to Ireland thing too. It's interesting. He lived in 98. Good for him. Well, that, you know, that's an estimation too. So we have to. Well, that down. Okay. The cat is being very needy right now. Hey, maybe we can show some of the jet com cleanup. Since we're on this profile. Uh, was this created from a jet com? It looks very. To me. Okay. What does that mean? Sorry. What does this mean? Jet coming. Well, jet coming doesn't exist as a word. I just made that up. But again, from the jet com, you know, that usually like ancestry trees, everybody will have their stuff on that site. And they'll import it through a jet com to wiki tree. And it'll create a profile, but it will dump all of this data that doesn't really make too much sense into it. So it's not really so excitable. Again, a lot of these extra characters, like these at symbols and these other notes are in there. So we have the thing called the jet com cleanup. It's automatic jet con cleanup button that we can click. And it sort of takes those sources and reformats the page a little bit. So it's a little bit more legible, like a biography. And then, you know, we go from there and then we start adding like actual sources. It's just that a lot of times it tries to site the ancestry tree, which is not a source. So we can't even use the ancestry tree itself. Right. So what I just did while Stephen was explaining all of that was that I turned on my wiki tree browser extension. So you'll notice that it does change the appearance of the profile a little bit. I mean, this is a free extension that you add to your browser and it really, to say that it enhances your wiki tree experiences is an understatement. I mean, just an explosion of possibilities in terms and you can customize it. So one of the things that I did was, you know, I put, I put the family off to the side as opposed to where you're probably used to seeing it, you know, but the reason that I enabled that and you can see I've got the there. Okay. That's the browser extension. Now if I click on that. Okay. Profile. Steve, where's the AGC? I thought it was built in. I, you can just go to edit and the buttons shows up. Oh, okay. You don't really have to have the browser extension for that. Okay. So you have two of them. Why would there be two of them? Because you must have, you overloaded it by putting on the browser extension, which probably adds the button, but the buttons already there. Okay. You got two buttons. They do the same thing. Yeah. Watch this. Are we ready? Oh, I need a drum roll. Wait a minute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. AGC did not change the profile due to the error. Yeah. Found line marriage within a note section. This is not consistent with the normal format. So. No. It, it suspects that there's already the fact. So this. Is wiki coding for putting something in bold. Which is something that a jet com wouldn't do. You know, if it's not right. Really? If it's, if it's finding that as a conflict. So do we just. Sure. Right. Well, unbold it. It'll say marriage. And then we'll try to hit the button again. And see what happens. So X out of that first. The X out of the orange. Box. Should I, should I save that? I think I should save that. Yeah. Okay. Fixing formatting. Full save. Okay. Now. We will go try this again. And I'm going to do drum roll. Okay. What happened this time? In the notes section. No. Yeah. Marriage marriage. Why? What is it? Not consistent with the normal format for early jet com import. Maybe we just need to rewrite the entire article from scratch. Yeah. I mean, now, since this is, I feel fine doing this because this is an orphan profile. Let's see. I mean, we are, we are, well, we're not quite into tech seven pre 1700. Yeah, we're still safe here. So. The source S 23 doesn't really apply to anything. Right. It's referring to a database. It's referring to some records somewhere. Maybe it's ancestry. It's trying to reference. Yeah. This is, this is nothing. We don't, we don't need this. Right. Right. So we can still keep his name in there. Well, sure. What, what I'll say. Oh. It shows up in a record for John Switzer. So we might want to indicate that John Switzer was in a record that had Nathaniel Switzer's name in it because it was his father, you know, like a, like a birth record or a marriage record or something. Right. Right. We may have to go to family search. Look, look, look. Okay. Switzer was his son, it seems. Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, that's something you would put in, in reference. There's the URL for the family search. So let's just copy and paste that into a new. Yeah. Well, just the URL itself, I was going to say. Yeah. Cause at least this way then we can get a page on family search that has all the documents associated with that. And then if we want to add stuff from family search to this profile, then, then we can beautify it that way. Mm hmm. Cause they gave us the entire person's page. Oh, of course we're not logged in. I forgot to check. Every two weeks, that's the, make sure they're selected. Right there. I've been in it for two weeks. All right. Okay. No sources. Oh, delightful. One short. Maybe one. One short. One short. No title. Okay. So Nathaniel needs a little bit of help. And let's look. Well, he's got parents. He's got parents. He goes to the Switzers. So this, this is a thing that we saw between the different Switzer kids turning into Switzers. It's got to be the same family. So. We are. We are looking at. Nathaniel Christopher Switzer senior. And then over here. Nathaniel Christopher. He's a Switzer senior. Okay. And his children. Sorry, everybody. Okay. So we think that he might have appeared in the record for John. So let's go to John. Oh, look, John. Ireland. That's a lot of information. Yeah. John has 11 sources. You would think though that if it's connected to his father, it would show up, right? Because if a source has a father name in there and it's indexed. Then it would also show up on the father's profile, right? At least the family search. What is this? I don't know what these sources are. Oh, these are ancestry sources. Okay, Randy. So maybe nothing has been uploaded or identified on family search yet. Historic graves. Hmm. Hmm. John Switzer. So at least we have a headstone. Yeah. I mean, that's cool. And then depending what we have here for information on cemeteries on wiki tree. Yeah. That could be the source for that. One of the five original Palantine families that came to Palantine Street in the Commons is tenants of the Barker Ponson via state of Cochule Abbey in the 1770s. He's also an ancestor of the Switzer family that owned the, that owned the famous Switzer store on Grafton Street in Dublin, now known as Brown Thomas. That's cool. Wow. So, I mean, there were a number that left the Asenheim area and ended up in, in Ireland as part of that whole Palantine. Exodus, right? In the, in the 1700s. And so that, I mean, I have an attestation for again, my lineage, a copy of it that indicates that they, the intention was to go to Pennsylvania. But unfortunately, when the ships left Germany, they went to England and then the queen there was inundated, right? With the, the Palantines, because there was something like 17,000 of them. It was one of the first refugee camps ever noted in history. And so some of them ended up a small portion going to Pennsylvania. Some went to Ireland. And were unhappy and went back to Germany or tried to find their own way to America. But then my family did go directly from Ireland to Canada. And so this is, like, this is a common theme of the Switzers leaving that area and just migrating to, to various areas. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing is fascinating, you know, seeing the Palangrine, the Pound Time migration, and it isn't just as clear cut as going to America, you know, there was these other countries that they would end up in and then they would cycle back and forth until they found the right boat. Yeah. I mean, it's wild. And then thinking about how long it takes just to go from one place to another on a boat, you know, and given the conditions on those boats, this wasn't a nice little cruise. This was an arduous journey in each case. Yeah. No question. Yeah. I mean, they really went through a lot just to get that even this location. So my feeling is that we don't have enough information. Probably not at the moment. Yeah. We can, we can leave it and I'll, I noted the name and that it's, it's an adoptable profile. So I'll see if I can find any more information about. Yeah. What you just want to notice, you know, I'm going to get out without having done anything. Where's my return? So we're coming up. Almost to the hour. I wanted to make sure that we didn't neglect Michael. Sue and Sally. Do. Thank you. Yeah. Of course. Thanks for sharing everything. I know. You gave us really good material to talk about and show, show things. Thank you. Michael, Sue, Sally, do any of you have questions that you want us to tackle? I just came to listen in. Okay. All right. No problem, Sue. And. Steven, I'm not meaning to ignore you. Oh, no problem. I know. Yeah. And Michael and Sally, I don't know if you're. Are you there? Can we answer any questions for you? When they're muted, if they don't realize that. Yeah. If you're going to walk away from your computer too. I am really fascinated by this. What's your line now? You know, that's the thing. I always get addicted to like a new line of research, even though they're not related to me. It is. This is the wiki tree way, right? This is the way. Yeah. Um, Also, I want to go to this village and I want to take a picture of their sign. Because. Amazing. At this village exists. And my. My mother land. Actually, my people are also on my mom's side for Rhineland palitinate. So it might not even be that far from where my people are set up. Well, there you go. Well, my son was a history major and worked for a year at the Manhattan University. Oh, my. In Germany. And so it just unfortunate that I wasn't able to, to share. I didn't learn about the, the famous, you know, information and signs that are still there for him to go and visit at the time. But some. Yeah. Well, we'll have to make a journey. Yeah. No, I mean, that's, that's my people too. Yeah, I mean, that's. Same area. Yeah. Cool. Is everybody comfortable on how to add photos to their profile? Would you like a demonstration? Sure. Okay. So, because I'm, you know, I was cleaning up my desktop yesterday and I have a photo sitting on my desktop that I need to add. So this is one of my uncles. And so as you can see, I already have some, some images. So here's your, the image tag. Tab. I'm curious. How do you pronounce his name? Okay. Yeah. Or Robert. Yeah. So I've already got pictures of him, but I have a fourth one that I want to add. So the way to do that, you go to the image. Page and say, click here to upload. Choose the file. And it's, let's see. On my desk. I don't know. Can, when I'm a screen sharing, can you all see my, my little. Negative. It's probably protecting your private information. That's good. Okay. So I'm going to, just going to select my, my file. Okay. There we go. It went gray, but there was nothing that overlapped it. Okay. I'm always curious about that. You have to, you have to at least say 30 words to the effect of, you know, how you got it. And I'm going to say that. Is that a requirement? 30 words. 30, I'm sorry. 30 characters. 30 characters. 30 letters. I think one time I tried to write. I took this photo and it wasn't enough. So I'm scanned from family photo collection. You do what we're very careful on wiki tree to honor. You know, copyright and ownership. Yeah. So, yeah. Like if I were to have found this photo on family, I would have, I would have, you know, I would have, you know, if I were to have found this photo on family search, I would, or ancestry, I would contact that person and say. Find. Find a grave to make people copy pictures from there and post them. And it's like, no, you can't assume the source. And I also, I also take photos of tombstones. So I know that I don't have to borrow the phone, the photo from somebody else. I can show that I'm the profile. I'm the copyright holder of that image. So when I upload it, then there is no issue. Yeah. So that's in the bad bar elements. What? I saw some of your auto fill from other. Oh, okay. I see. There we go. Actually, you know what I should use. Okay. I'm using the same location type A, and so it all starts auto fill as I'm writing type A. I never know what to do here because. Was it known as Taiwan? I think this would be correct. 49. Yeah. Well, I mean, before it was Taiwan, it was for most. Actually, what happens if I type for most? Argentina. Yeah. I don't know if there's any other places with the name for most. Yeah. Maybe you have to put in type A for most. Okay. So there's no options. It's probably because we just don't have much built up. For Taiwan on wiki tree. I mean, I know that other projects like Germany project, make sure to have all the different variants. You know, in the database. So like if we put in something older than 1806, it should show up as Holy Roman Empire and not as. You know, the German confederation. That's an example. So I'm thinking that it's just not as developed yet. And you don't have to go with those dropdowns. Like you can type in anything you want, honestly. Yeah. Okay. I'm doing math. My father's age, therefore his age. And so I'm going to say this was. About 1953. That's interesting too. Because usually when we select a date, then the locations are based off the date. So you would think that they would do that on the photos and, you know, where the date comes first and then the location. So I don't know. All of this, you know, if I were to get more. Confirm information. It can be edited later. You can go back. It is a photo. Yeah. And so I'm going to upload it. The old photo has photography studio name on it. Can we still count it as scan for family collection? I don't know. Do you not know? Question. Yeah. Well, but that's a good, great question. That's something that we may have to redirect it. There's a genealogist that focuses on just copyright stuff. So. Oh, you're talking about Judy Russell. Maybe Judy Russell. Yeah. Her website would probably talk about that. That's, that's a really good question. Yeah. I mean, I'm sort of wondering. If people are living, they could still claim a copyright to it. If they've been dead for at least 80 years, then there's a little bit more leeway with that. Yeah. I mean photography studios, it's very difficult to tell them, you know, and who's going to go after you for uploading something like that from 80 years ago. But what about, what about if your great grandparents, they paid the photographer, they hired the photographer for a session. They get paid for it. Right. Then the transaction's been performed. I mean, I would have to assume that there's like, making those decisions. Well, we can. It becomes very complex, isn't it? My mother was a professional photographer, but she was also a colorist. So as an example, she would take this particular black and white photo and. And ask for a cloth sample of his suit, if possible, his tie, whatever, and, and use oil paints to create a colored image. And, and so again, she has another layer of copyright. Because of artistry. She created a new thing now. So she made art on top of it. It resets copyright, or it's a derivative of an existing work. Yeah. That is so complicated. I don't like to get into those conversations. I know. I know. But that's just an example of, you know, while she worked for a particular studio, the studio's stamp would be on the back of the, you know, but not necessarily her name as the artist. As I mean, at that time, they were called color technologists or color technicians. That's what it was. Yeah. It's like those, those Thomas Kincaids or something, right? Where that guy's name is on everything, but there was like a bunch of other artists that actually did the work and they never got to try it on there. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I didn't mean to derail, but it does come very complex. This is great. This is very open ended. And I mean, I love talking about just anything. Yeah. And yeah, Stephen had a good comment too. That he found the photographer linked with the studio. But who was no longer living. So, but that, that must have taken a bit of detective work, I'm sure. Yeah, we are detectives effectively. I occasionally put on a bad suit and fly in the night. There's my photo. And if you wish to make that the primary photo, which I don't, you could do that down here. You could check it and set as primary. If you wanted to make it his, the background image, you could do that all. And that might be a little obnoxious to have a repeating images of background, but. Yeah. Well, I sort of wonder with, with a photo like this, you wouldn't see him. You know, it would be cropped off too. Yeah. We, because you get the edges. So you'd see it looks like the Taipei 101 on his left hand side actually. Good. Good. Yes. Oh, is that what that is? Well, yeah. The Taipei, Taipei 101 looks like that. Yeah. It's the skyscraper. I mean, I'm impressed that you know that. I know skyscrapers. I'm a kind of a infrastructure nerd. Yeah. Lego, of course. Yes. That's, that's one of the things. Yes. But, but yeah, I mean, if you have an image like that, if it's a elongated image, yeah, it's going to cut off. Yeah. Yeah. So generally the background images are more of like patterns. Like somebody wants to put up a tartan because it's a Scottish person. Yeah. Then the tartan profile or the tartan image will repeat. And so you'll see that as the background against the edges. Right. Pretty much the only thing I would use background for. I can show you. Where I've done that. Oh, it's a green wood. It's a green wood. We can't figure where's, where's her background. That's weird. Cause I had, I had given her that background. From one of those photos. Yeah. She was very passionate about the men's tartan. Well, I don't see a tartan to establish with that profile. Just shows the four. See, that's one version of that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Maybe you still need to actually upload that one to her profile directly. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I did. Well, anyway. We all think we did things in late night. You know, editing, right? My wiki tree. I'm back to it like six months later. Like, wait, this looks different. Well, did you do it too? Nice. So, and if I, if you wish to, to put the photo within the bio as, you know, if it's pertinent to what you're saying and instead of having it on the side, you want to see it right within the text. You just copy this. And you paste it within the bio. So, yeah, lots of, lots of flexibility. Yeah. And there's ways to thumbnail that you can see below that, that there's like additional captions, you know, or sizes can be changed or alignment can be changed. So if you want to make it left aligned instead of right aligned or centered, you know, you can do it that way. Yeah. Here it is. Any other questions? Yeah, I'm not for myself. Thank you. You've been incredibly helpful. So if I was to wish to connect with either of you. Yes. Let's let me, let me just get out of screen share. And I am. This is my profile. This is my profile. I'm 31. So you can just send me a message through my profile. Yeah. Yeah. Mine is a little bit longer. I am green with three, six, six, seven. Yes. And if, yeah, are you on discord? Oh, I'm sorry. What's that? Discord is like a chat. A chat platform that wiki tree uses very heavily. No, I haven't used it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, this will work just as well. It's not required, but we do like communication for major events and. Our thongs. Thank you, Steven. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much to everybody for coming tonight. It was. I thought we'd, I said to Steven, we're going to have to tap dance alone tonight because we don't have a lot of time. We're going to have to tap dance. We're going to have to tap dance. We're going to have to tap dance here's, but it. Well, thank you again. Good night, everyone. Good night. Bye bye. See you soon.