 of three minutes, three minutes, three minutes, folks, three minutes, three minute warning, get your juice. So you just hanging around, um, Anaheim then for the entire time you're down here, Scott? Yeah, we're, I'll be doing, um, con stuff the entire time. So I've got an interview, stuff on Friday, um, the rehearsal thing on Thursday, and then there's the big party and I got a live show and a couple of things that night and then. Yeah, then, sorry, Friday and Saturday is full. And then I leave Sunday morning. Hmm. I'm pretty much stuck on the ground there and all the time. We may make it out to the new Blizzard, um, uh, eSports thing in, in Burbank. Oh, cool. Oh, the arena. Yeah. Yeah. I want to go to that, but that's a possibility. Could be a fun thing. So you will not be on the show on all saints day. I will not be. However, my plan that week is to have another labs out. So nice. So it won't really be missing a day. It'll be. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Yeah. If anything, this works better for that, because I don't have to switch a bunch of that's part of the benefit there. And then Thursday, don't forget to order your iPhone 10 for a thousand dollars. No, thank you. I'm good. My eight is just great. My two year old phone works. Eight is great. Eight is great. I'm very happy with my eight. I'm, I'm going to get the 10, but I'm not going to rush. I, I feel no need to rush. HTC is announcing the probably the U 11 that same day. So then you can decide like, wait a minute, maybe I shouldn't get the iPhone 10 tonight. Maybe I'll get the HTC U 11. Right. Yeah. It, you know, they've won up them on the number. I have gotten to the point with my cracked screen where, because I have the seven, um, that only really half of the screen is, is legible at any point. And I'm just really used to it. And I've gotten good at like, it's really a DIY project at this point. And people now say to me like, oh my gosh, how long has your screen been so cracked? Strangers will say things like that. Like a grocery store, you know, like sitting at the cafe. So I'm like, no, I mean, at this point, it's a science experiment. How long can I go? And I do quite a bit of work on it actually. So there you, there you have it. I'm not rushing for the 10. Yeah. Sheepal. Sheepal could have got the eight. Hmm. It's not different enough. It's like, if I know that there's a better camera, that I have to get that one. Ah, it's camera. Camera's always what it's alien to. Yeah. It's just, it's just a selling point for me because it's the only camera I'm going to use ever, you know, my DSLRs, it's in a box. I think that, that 10 is the format moving forward. I just, I need it to, I needed to cook. Thrum walled. Thrum walled in the chat room. This is an uncracked iPhone screen. It says, I feel like there are people with uncracked iPhone screens, but I can't recall the last time I saw one. I'd never cracked them. I scratched the last couple, which I didn't used to do at all. I don't get anything in there. But that's, you know, you can't even tell really most of the time. I'm e-paying my seven plus for pretty good scratch, for no scratches. All right, we ready? Yeah. Here we go. Hey, everyone, do you know the fact that DTNS is ad-free as much as I do? And would you like to keep it that way? Well, it's super simple. Just shoot over to dailytechnewshow.com forward slash support and find out how. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, October 18th, 2017, from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I am Sarah Lane. And from the smelly elevation of Salt Lake City, Utah, I'm Scott Johnson. Why is it smelly? I don't know. You know what? Honestly, Tom, I forgot to write it and just finished it. So I had to have something. There you go. Roger Chang from an undisclosed location joins us as well. Sir, how are you? I am fine from my undisclosed location. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Samsung announced Bixby 2.0 will incorporate Viv Labs Tech. Viv Labs, if you recall, was founded by the creators of Siri and acquired by Samsung. Bixby 2.0 will be able to answer more complex questions and interact with more services. The SDK will start in private beta and will be invited. Regina Dugan, former director of DARPA, also formerly the leader of Google's advanced technology and products team, is soon going to be formally a Facebook too. Dugan has been head of Facebook's secret F8 hardware lab for about 18 months, but announced she will leave in early 2018 to lead a new endeavor. No longer her fate. Yep. Moving on to F9 probably is next. Tuesday, ZTE introduced the Axiom 5, a flip phone that opens to allow two, that's right, two 5.2 inch touchscreen side by side. The Axiom, or excuse me, Axon M will go on sale with Dolcomo in Japan and AT&T in the U.S. with price and availability coming by the end of the year. Yay, another one of those. That'll be your pleasure. All right, here's some more top stories. And I think this one is important if you really want to understand what's going on with Apple. So pay attention. GE and Apple are partnering on an iOS SDK for GE's PREDIX platform, PREDIX connects industrial machines, wind turbines, jet engines, elevators to data centers so that data analysis can help predict things like when they might fail you so that they don't fail you preventative maintenance, increased cost efficiency, stuff like that. Now, as a showcase, GE's applications performance management app will make more data available more quickly to managers in the field and GE will make iOS devices standard for its 330,000 employees. Apple will also be offering PREDIX to its enterprise customers when it's out convincing people to use iPads and Macs in the office. Apple has deals with Accenture, IBM, Cisco, Deloitte and SAP now. Okay. I remember when they first, I think the first one might have been IBM. We'll fuzzy on that. But when they first started doing these enterprise deals, I said, this is very interesting. Let's see how far down the road they get. They're getting very far down the road. The SDK and the APM app will be available for download on October 26th as part of GE's Mind and Machines conference. And the reason I mean, this is big news anyway, but I'm making such a big deal out of this because a lot of folks look at Apple and go, oh, well, if hipsters buy the new iPhone 10, that's that's Apple's success story. And granted, they have to have good machines to make this other part work, but this is Apple's backbone now. Tim Cook has been quietly doing this out of the public eye, making these solid enterprise deals, which are rivers of money into Apple. One thing I notice about this is it doesn't feel just like a Tim Cook initiative come to fruition. Oh, no. It feels like even in those early iPhone days, the big complaint was, especially with the proliferation of the time of Raspberry or raspberries, blueberry devices, not blueberry. What am I trying to say? Blackberry? Blackberry. What blueberry is it? She's been that long. You forgot that. Okay. Raspberry Pi fair, but blueberries. I like blueberries. What can I tell you? Gas indication. I don't know. That was funny. This idea that at the time there was a lot of criticism saying, well, these will never be in the enterprise. And that's where the growth is. And what are you going to do Apple? What are you going to do? And there was a lot of back and forth about that. I needed to support exchange servers and didn't. And now finally, we're seeing that completely turn around. And it's taken a little while. But like you said, it's been, that's interesting to see that this has been kind of quietly happening in the background. And this probably represents billions of dollars in potential revenue for Apple. Yeah. And it's a different approach than Microsoft, which is kind of business to business or Amazon with cloud services, Amazon web services, things like that. Even IBM, which is, which is having a good, good sales turnaround now. They had a good earnings report. They, they aren't doing the same approach. This is sort of straddling the fence between consumer and business and seemingly making a go of it. Some more announcements this time from HP, the company announced a 14 inch tablet with a pen and detachable keyboard called the Z Book X2. It has a quad core Kaby Lake core i7 processor and Nvidia Quadro M620 GPU. It has up to 32 gigs of RAM, two terabytes of solid state storage and up to 4k resolution with 10 bit color. The Z Book X2 also has a kickstand and SD card reader and HDMI port, two USB three ports and two USB C ports with Thunderbolt support. Pricing starts at seventeen hundred seventeen hundred fifty dollars and it goes on sale this December in the U.S. No global pricing yet, but quite a few ports. They, they really got us covered there. Yeah. Well, USB C with Thunderbolts important. And I know you mentioned on headlines this morning, Sarah, that this is very focused on creativity. Yeah, in fact, HP announced this as part of Adobe's conference that's happening in Las Vegas right now. So the focus is very much on creative professionals now have this detachable PC that can do all these things and you can buy a pen. And it's, you know, Scott, you probably have some thoughts about this, too. But it seems very focused on making a creative professional, whether it's photography or drawing or, you know, whatever, more attractive to buy a real opportunity here. As people probably heard on my recent DTNS labs report on kind of the lineup of digital tablets this year for illustrators and professionals who are doing using these devices for art. Microsoft has slipped quite a bit when it comes to lag and pen performance. And some of this stuff is still sort of being sussed out. But overall, their push to make Windows 10 a platform attractive to creatives is really, really strong. And I'm very curious how this one would perform. They've gone so far as almost partnering with with Adobe in some ways. There are Photoshop, Illustrator and Lightroom shortcut keys built right into the device itself. So that's always interesting, because if you if you embed hardware that literally mimics software functionality, it means that you must really be believing in a platform to do that. Elsewise, what if Adobe changes their interface or things get weird? So I always see that as kind of a big deal. So whether or not this thing will perform well or not, we'll have to wait and see, get some review units and see what's going on. But I think it's exciting to see more and more traditional PC and notebook manufacturers get into the creative space and they seem to be following Microsoft's lead. And I think that's good for everybody. Well, this is the fulfillment of the promise of the surface, which is have a workstation in a tablet. I mean, the keyboard cover here is a real looking keyboard. It's not a cloth fabricy thing. And the specs, as you heard are insane. Now, granted, 1750 doesn't give you these max specs. It's going to cost you a lot. But, you know, the idea of a tablet also being your workstation, I think is is pretty compelling. Yeah. And the price really, honestly, for what they're saying, isn't bad. It's cheaper than Waycom alternatives, which are kind of the standards. So if it can perform in those levels, then then great. But that's really the trick here. We need to see how it performs if that pen and that interface works well. I mean, from the photos and from what little information we have, we don't know a ton about the pen or the ink engine or any of that stuff. But once we do, we'll see if HP can be a player in that space. We know that Wacom worked with them on the pen, though, that we do know that. Oh, well, that's great news because the best surface tablet so far was the Surface 2 and it used the Waycom pen and the Waycom engine. And it was a far superior product of the three and four. So that's already got me more excited than five minutes ago. Are you excited about Lightroom, though? Well, all right. So I did a little looking into this. Here's what else we know from Adobe's event that just started. Adobe's announced a new version of Adobe Photoshop Lightroom CC, now a full cloud-based photography service. In the past, it was a desktop-based tool. If anybody out there is doing professional photography or touch-up work, you knew that this was quickly becoming part of your workflow, especially given that not a lot has happened on, you know, on Apple's front with Aputure. Along with its dedicated Mac and iOS app, the new cloud service makes editing and organizing photos easier. The Lightroom CC cloud service comes with one terabyte of storage plus Photoshop CC and access to Lightroom for mobile for the web for $19.99 a month or $14.99 for the first year for existing photography subscribers. So they're trying to catch you a little bit of a deal. It's also a standalone version of Lightroom CC plan for those who don't need Photoshop access also as one terabyte of storage and access to the mobile and web apps for $9.99 per month. And for mobile only users, there's a Lightroom mobile plan for iOS that offers 100 gigabyte of cloud storage for $4.99 a month. There I've talked today, talked to three photographers who are working full time in this field. I should probably disclose one of them is my daughter, who does full time portrait and wedding photos. She is her life blood is Lightroom CC uses it every day for every shoot all the time. And I thought I was going to contact her and she'd go, I don't want to have to worry about these on the cloud. But if I have a connection, that's going to be a bummer. I thought all of those are going to be her answers. I fully expected that. And she said, no, dad, I'm stoked about these changes because now I can whip out my phone or my tablet in the client's office and say, let's make these changes right here. What do you think about this filter? What do you think about this color change and do it all in the same original files, raw files even that are stored in the cloud. And then she can access later on her on her production machine. So I thought, well, maybe she's one out of three. I tried two other photographer friends of mine. All of them are echoing this. So apparently people are excited about this. I was worried it would mean no connection. I don't control my files. There's still a big question about if I cancel CC subscription. How do I make sure all my photos are OK? How long do I have to get them down? It would be nice if I could have them in both places, if that was an option. Like I have all that going through my head that it seems like people who use Lightroom as their bread and butter. I mean, I haven't talked to everybody, obviously these may be outliers, but they seem pretty excited about it. Yeah, I've seen both reactions. Laurie Grunin, who's covered photo for CNET for years and is super smart, was very critical of this for all the reasons you're talking about. Like I don't want it to have to be in the cloud. I miss that I can just buy Lightroom and use it and not have to subscribe. But I think that is people who've worked in it for a long time. Maybe folks who are newer to this are like, oh, yeah, tablet, cloud. Internet's always around. It's fine. Good. Yeah. And I had a huge reservations about most of the CC lineup when they went live with the CC program, the Creative Cloud program. And all it took was like a month and now I don't want to do it any other way. This is how I prefer it. There's a few issues with like they don't, you know, there's like some bugs that are with the current Mac OS software that are super annoying and shouldn't be there. So there's issues with cloud based services. There's no question. But overall, this is so much better than me installing 20 discs and paying 2,500 bucks a month or a shot every time they update it. So I think probably people will come around on this, too. They seem to be doing right by us as customers. Is this another way, though, Tom, for them to eke out a little more subscription money every month? So no doubt about that. All right. We talked earlier this week on the fact that people like to slap AI on things that aren't actually AI and it's a very buzzword thing. But there is a development today that is significant. DeepMind published research on the latest version of AlphaGo Zero because it is now entirely self-taught. If you remember, the original AlphaGo was trained on a data set of 100,000 human-played Go games. They showed these games to AlphaGo to train it. AlphaGo Zero, however, was only programmed with the rules of Go and then trained itself with reinforcement learning. So it essentially just played itself until it got better. After three days of self-play, AlphaGo Zero could defeat the version of AlphaGo that had beat 18-time champion Lee Seedol. And after that, it got even better and could beat the most recent version of AlphaGo. AlphaGo Zero's lead programmer, David Silver, said, quote, we've actually removed the constraints of human knowledge. It runs on four tensor processing units. Earlier versions needed 48, so it's even more efficient. And because it was not programmed to play Go specifically, AlphaGo Zero could be used to discover information in other fields. DeepMind is talking about maybe pointing at a drug discovery, protein folding, quantum chemistry, particle physics, material design, things like that. Reinforcement learning is a very hot emerging field in AI. And the grail is to create these things so that you don't have to give them anything. That's called supervised learning. This is unsupervised learning where you just say, here's the rules of the game, learn it. And granted, the rules of the game of Go are very constrained, and it's a lot easier to deal with than things that are more nebulous like materials design and stuff like that. So we'll see what kind of progress they make in real world situations, but this is a big advance. Yeah, it's interesting. If you've got rules of a game, it's like, okay, there's a finite set of rules, right? There's an answer for every rule and the computer can figure that out. Sounds like not very long of time and then get better. But when you're talking about something like new drugs, okay, well, that requires research that's got to be fed into the program at some point. The program isn't just going to know that research exists somewhere on a piece of paper. Right, you have to give it the medical information. Yeah, yeah. It's cool, though. One other thing I would just say about DeepMind, there's a lot of rumbling going on in the gaming space about them getting up on stage and actually showing work based on their announcement last year with Blizzard studying AI and doing stuff with the Starcraft game specifically. We don't know what that is. Probably nothing to do with this, obviously, but if you're into what DeepMind's up to, we may get a little stage presence in a week and a half and know what they've been up to there. Hey, guys, do you like sharing your physical location with everybody you know? That I know. As long as I'm in control of it, maybe, yeah. Okay, well, Scott at least probably isn't going to like this new feature on WhatsApp, which introduced a new feature called Live Locations, exactly what it sounds like for its iOS and Android apps. As the name suggests, you let people know where you are. Those are your contacts within WhatsApp, of course, but it's live. It can follow you around. We can now attach location to any chat, and that includes group chat, so you don't have to share with one person. You can share with all of your WhatsApp friends. Users can choose to share a location for 15 minutes, one hour, or eight hours, and then, of course, you can stop sharing location at any time. For anyone who thinks, oh, how's this going to work? The new feature does use end-to-end encryption like all WhatsApp conversations do. Live location will be globally available within the coming days, says the company. This is something I will never use. I might use it next week. Like at BlizzCon, we usually use one app or another that usually aren't encrypted, that says this is where everyone is right now, so we can quickly find out where people are gathering, where we're supposed to meet. This might be a great alternative, because now I can end-to-end encrypt that thing and only use it for the weekend, and then I don't have to do it again. If you control who sees it, it's not doing it for you, so... No, I just... I don't know. Live location, it's like, I was using Find My Friends for a while, and everyone just... We all just kind of were like, we don't want to do this anymore. I can see a very specific event-based sharing, because WhatsApp tends to crop up in those for me too. I'm not really chatting with friends that way, unless we're like, we're all at a bachelorette party, and where is everybody, that kind of thing? So I can see it coming in handy, but... Not really something I'm going to use. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines at DailyTechHeadlines.com, available on the Amazon Echo in the Anchor App, and on Google Home through Anchor. And that is a look at our top stories. Now, on Hacker News today, saw a really interesting Harvard Business Review article by David Berkus. He's an artificial... A artificial... He's an associate. He's a real associate professor of leadership and innovation at Oral Roberts University. His article is called Why You Can Focus in a Coffee Shop but Not in Your Open Office. Now, he cites research that shows that people's primary problem with open office plans, cube farms, right, is the noise level and the sound privacy. By the way, the top complaint for people who have closed private offices is temperature. I thought that was interesting. A study by Ravi Mehta, Juliet Jhu, and Ammar Chima in the Journal of Consumer Research found that people did the best on the remote associates test, which judges creative thinking, when they were exposed to 70 decibels of noise, which is equivalent to coffee shop chatter. They had four groups, 50, 70, and 85 decibels, and then another group with silence. The 50, 85 decibel and silent groups showed almost no statistical variants between them. They were all just as good on this test. The people at 70 decibels did significantly better. So this study says, maybe being in a coffee shop somehow stimulates your creativity. The author's right, getting into a relatively noisy environment may trigger the brain to think abstractly and thus generate creative ideas. So why do people hate office chatter, which is about 70 decibels too? Shouldn't that also work and make you more creative? Another study by Luke Leverty, Eve Adelstein, and Richard Brink, published in the Building Research Information Database, found that face-to-face interaction, conversation, and acoustic interruption may disrupt the creative process. So Berkus took those two studies together and said, I think the problem isn't a coffee shop, you're surrounded by strangers. So it's just white noise to you, 70 decibels of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whereas if you're in an office, you know the people. You know that that's Lin Fu talking to CES about something. You know that that's Molly Wood on the phone next door. You can tell last time I worked in an office. But it's more distracting to you. Interesting. There's definitely something to that. I mean, I remember when we were working at TWIT, it was not only an open office, but quite normally someone would be doing a show literally right next to me. And so I would turn on white noise. It was like I had like a white noise album and a few tracks that I really liked, you know, and just crank it up so it was louder than the voice next to me. And that actually really worked because yeah, I needed to not be getting specific information that was relevant to me. But I don't really agree that a coffee shop is great white noise, particularly because there's strangers. And if you're a person who likes to people watch or can't really ignore someone walking through a front door repeatedly, it's worse. I actually, I work in coffee shops when I need to here and there, but that would not be my choice. I'd rather work at home in total silence. I'm, it's funny, I've had to wrestle with this all day. I think I'm going to take the point of view of there's something about them being strangers and knowing that there are certain social norms to that stranger ship. Like I can't, I don't want to be loud, so I'm disturbing them. And I like it when they're not being loud, but because I don't know their voices, I don't know their names, and I don't know what they're talking about, unless I hear something real crazy, easy for me to tune them out and focus. I find I get my best work done, even when I'm alone, when I create that kind of environment, whether it's, you know, an old episode of mash in the background or, or something else like that, where I can kind of just tune it out, but it still makes me feel like I'm in a place where I'm getting something done. If it's dead quiet, I'm terrible. Like I am not productive at all. See, there's too many places, so I think this is the thing where it's, it's going to vary person by person. Right. I have no doubt that these studies are accurate, and I'd like to see more studies, you know, verify it, because I know most people are able to work in coffee shops because so many people work in coffee shops, I can't. I was reading this article in a coffee shop this morning while a guy next to me was talking about his bike race over the weekend and how he was trying to get his friend to join because he's seen him out on the, on the bike before, so he knows he has one. Come on. You got to join us. I know all of this. I wasn't eavesdropping. I couldn't help it. And this is a problem I have. When I'm at a restaurant, I'll start laughing, and my wife will say, what do you tell you? I'm like, oh, did you didn't hear their conversation? And she's like, no, I didn't hear their conversation. I just cannot tune out other conversations. I need absolute, I'm the opposite of you, Scott. I need absolute quiet when I have to work with anything that involves words. Yeah, I would say, there have been times where if there's ambient music around me, I'm cool. But as soon as you start introducing lyrics or actual human voices that I can pick up, and again, it's, well, I am kind of nosy. So sometimes I am eavesdropping, but like in a coffee shop, if I'm trying to work, I'm like really trying not to eavesdrop, I'm trying to work. And it's excruciating. So I was trying to read this article, and I can tell you all that about his conversation. Even though I was trying not to listen to it. That can definitely happen. Proximity matters. But also there's an unpredictability. So this is where I flipped to the other side. If I knew that every time I went to the coffee shop, the conditions were going to be identical, that would be one thing. Because then you could plan on it. There's those times you get there. And for some reason, guys on is a, you know, a copy of Final Cut Pro in the corner with no shirt on. And it's going to be nuts because I want to know why. You know, like there's all these things that can happen both visually and auditorially. It'll throw you off. No shirt, no service. Exactly. Someone who worked in a restaurant. Not going to happen. There's also, and I know that this is also is going to vary by person to person. But since we're talking about audio levels, I think a lot of it has to do with where's the audio coming from? Can you see sort of the din of a conversation happening across the room? Or are people walking behind you? Like the feng shui, for lack of a better term of where you are, I think is also really important. Where you're situated and where the audio is coming from. You know, my thing isn't the noise directly. But for example, when a party or a group of people come and sit beside you at a coffee shop and then like maybe half an hour they leave, what bothers me is now I now know there's been the semblance of time has passed. Like there is like, oh, time has passed. Like if I'm in a room by myself, I can ignore the clock because there's nothing to give away what time it is, right? I'm in an enclosed room with just the light. So it could be one hour, it could be three hours, but I can be focused and I'm not worried about that. As soon as you introduce people, it's a noise, but the fact that they're moving, to me indicates that something's happened and that I should subconsciously, that I should also be like, oh, it's getting late. I should start wrapping up and moving on, even though I might be on a very productive streak. Interesting. Interesting. Well, we'd love to hear more what you guys think about this. You can share it in our Facebook group, facebook.com slash group slash Daily Tech News Show, even on our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com or just email us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You guys ready for the thing of a day? Yes, I am. Good. All right, let's check in with Chris Christensen, who found some interesting tech in his hotel room in England. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. I'm recording this episode from a hotel room in London because that's where I'm traveling here for a couple weeks. And one of the things that surprised me when I entered this hotel room was there was a smartphone sitting on the desk in the room. And this is an interesting project. It's a phone called Handy. And it is a smartphone that is for use for your hotel guests while they are traveling there. Now, obviously, if I took it with me, I would expect to be billed for it, but it's an Android phone that has a custom solution on it so that it can automatically delete your data on the day that you log out in case you leave any data on it. And you can download different apps and it includes supposedly data service and free international calls. And I say supposedly because I think the idea gets an A for effort. Unfortunately, the implementation gets a C because I've had trouble actually getting applications to download like they're supposed to from the download system. So I think this is an interesting idea. I'll be interested to see if other people do it more in the future and possibly a better implementation. I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. Well, that that is very interesting. I did not get a free phone in my hotel room to use. Well, I guess it wasn't free, but there was there was no phone in my hotel room to use when I went to London recently. It does seem like a hotel kind of thing, right? It's got the mini bar aspect of kind of tricking you into spending money by using the data and making calls out and about. But it could be the modern replacement for the in room phone. Sure. Yeah, because the in room phone, especially when you go international, it's like even when there are instructions, like this is how you call out. It always seems to be harder than it needs to be. But yeah, sure. I mean, if you've got to call somebody, that's a nice perk of a hotel room. I mean, it's better than them saying you could have free Wi-Fi as a paying guest or fast Wi-Fi for 1599 a day. My London hotel room is like, you can pay for the slow Wi-Fi or pay more for the fast Wi-Fi. That's even more insulting. Yeah, it was really. What would you like to pay for? This to me is total stop gap. It's not going to be more than 10 years before everything we do is doable from our hand, from our pocket, from our device, from our embed, whatever it is we're doing in hotels, we'll no longer be able to figure out ways to skim off the top of our communication needs. Well, you know, with Airbnb hotel on the horizon, what will hotels even be in 10 years? Good point. True though. Our message of the day actually comes from our subreddit, NoxJL posted the following. DTNS frequently plugs La Rondevue Tech as an excellent French language technology podcast. And while I don't speak French, I love the idea of listening to a podcast on familiar topics in other languages. Given the broad listener base of DTNS, it seems likely to me that the listeners can recommend other non-English language technology podcasts that they enjoy. If you have a favorite non-English technology podcast, please post it in the comments and I'll keep a running list here in the main post. We'll have a link directly to his thread in the show notes. You can just go to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and find it. I'm looking for a good Spanish language technology podcast myself. So I'm curious if anybody has some recommendations out there. Yeah, I noticed that subreddit this morning when I was looking for stories for our headlines because the subreddit is a nice place to hang out, the DTNS one. And I was like, well, that's not exactly a story, but then I was like, oh, that's a really nice service. And I'd be really interested in more French podcasts myself even though reddit.tech is a good one. Absolutely. Scott, what language would you like to listen to your podcast in? Well, I have some rudimentary Korean skills. I grew up in a household, very mixed household of a lot of adopted siblings that were from Korea. My brother Matt's very fluent in Korean. And I know he listens to tech podcasts and a lot of music and all kinds of other stuff in Korean. And he probably has a suggestion. So I'll see what he's got. But I mean, I'd like to see tech podcasts and everything. I'd like to see a future where podcast apps automatically take what we're saying today and in real time translate it for those who want to hear it in other languages. That way, we were just talking about that the other day, the idea that, yeah, you could have some sort or host a show with somebody who's speaking another language entirely, but the two of you can figure it out based on some conversion. Well, thank you, Scott Johnson, for joining us. What else you got going on to tell folks about? Oh, there's always something going on tonight. I'll mention this one. 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I know, right? Really good, you guys. Well done. Good show. I enjoyed it too. Immensely. Yes. What should we call it? Well, I had a thought early on about Raspberry's blueberries and blackberries. Yes. I don't know if that is funny to anybody but me, but I got a good chuckle out of it. You know you're allowed to submit titles into the showbot as well. Oh, don't hesitate. I did not know that. You can always do that. I didn't know that either that I could do through the chat. Yeah. For anybody who doesn't know, if you're in irc.chatrealm.net, you type exclamation mark S, a space, and then your title suggests, and it goes to showbot.t. Well, I'm happy to report the top two currently are Scott likes blueberries or Scott is confused about berries. So. Exclamation S, space, and then whatever. Yeah. This is fun. I didn't know this. Oh, yeah. There's also Wake Me Up Before You Off a Go-Go. I think we had something like that. Sounds familiar. The last big alpha-go story. The Sound of Silence, What's App Dock? The Merit of a Silent Workplace. Yeah, it did. What time is it, Roger? Blueberry, blueberry iPhone. One of those berries. Tommy dropping no eaves. Coffee shops produce more. It's the caffeine. Silent productivity. Rivers of money. Eight is great. Oh, that's a pre-show. Use What's App to Find Common San Diego. Change your focussings. That's working hard, that one. Yeah. Appreciate that silver blade. Raspberry, blueberries, raspberries. Raspberry, blueberries, blackberries. Skyrocketing to the top, Sarah. Wow. All right. Well, I didn't mean to like exude show name power. So it's all right. It's a, you know, it's first of all, it's a Democratic vote in showbot.tv. Second of all, this is a, you know, this is a, this is a authoritarian government. This is a whatever it is. Yeah. We don't have to follow. A lot of democracy in fact. It's also less, it's better than the one that's on top we're now tied with. So I'm all for years over that. I like a very confusing episode. Yeah, but was it that confusing? No. No. No, it was just, it was just a funny moment. Because you were like, Raspberry Pride. No, that's not right. What am I thinking about? Blueberries. No, no. Well, then I called it Professor Artificial instead of Associated. That was, I could have said Berry White. I could have really gone far with it. Oh gosh. Who else is a, well, Barack Obama sometimes goes by Berry. It was our Joe Biden like episode. There were so many gaffes. Yeah, just Biden gaffes. Those were great. Classic. You know, I think George H.W. Bush and Joe Biden are my favorite gaffers. Oh, you didn't like General Ford? Well, actually, he was more of a tripper. You know, physical and also was exaggerated by Saturday Night Live. He actually just tripped the ones. That's what the SNL does. My favorite presidential moment of all time is Bush definitely dodging that shoe in that conference that one time. Oh yeah. Did he say like good throw? I remember that. I can't like reforces. He kind of complimented on the throw initially. Didn't he? Did he? I don't remember that part. I thought he did. And then a second shoe came and he missed that one too. It just showed a lot of athleticism. I didn't attribute to him. Well, he's a, I guess he played sports, must have. Did he? Shoe dodging before he became, By the way, during the show, during the show while I'm standing here doing the show, which I have been standing here since, I don't know, 115 or so, my watch told me to stand. I'm stand. I'm like, You got to stand taller, Tom. Taller. How much more standing can I get? That's so weird. Well, you can actually, it's not actually. So what it does is it just assumes your elevation as you're sitting elevation because you've been in that position for so long that it thinks you need to go higher to be standing. You can go up and set it. But that's, I mean, for all the people who use standing desks regularly, that's a glaring issue. I don't want to do that because like if standing elevation. So every day when I do the show, I get a blank hour for standing during the show because it thinks I'm sitting. Yeah. There's a way to do it though. Hold on. Is there? I saw this just the other day. What if you're sitting at the top of a tall skyscraper but you're standing at the base of it? Would it tell you? Let me ask you this, Tom. How many other times per day do you stand when your watch tells you to? It generally doesn't tell me to, honestly. In fact, I only ever get the notification when I'm already standing. Like I generally am standing, like getting up and down enough that I almost never get it. Maybe you should treat it like opposite day and sit. Well, so I mean, let's say you settle into the couch for a movie. It's going to be more than an hour. Yeah, like that'll happen. But you know what? I'm such a fidgeter. Like I always get up and get water or a snack or something. So you're actually, you are. But yeah, no. If I'm sitting on the couch for a movie, that does happen. Yeah, anytime I've used any of those, you know, like time to stretch or time to stand or take a walk around the block or have a glass of water, like all things that in theory I want to be reminded to do are so annoying and they always come at the absolute wrong time that I just turn them off. Yeah. Please be upstanding is what I'd like it to tell. Raspberry, blueberries, blackberries, the top with 15. I've already exported the show with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries as the time. Sarah, you've got, you should run for public office. Totally. I mean, I've got the popular vote. It pretty much works the same way. You just stand up and go, I think I'd like to be governor and then people vote you in. Yeah, you'll be governor. Okay. Okay. Gosh, you know, we could do like, think of the Patreon, take over the world, you know? Like the guys in the community can just like vote us into office. Would that be a conflict of interest? Yeah. Oh, oh, I see. But still pretty cool. A really cool conflict of interest. Yeah. I mean, that's 2017. Just to say you did it, you know, just once. Yeah, I'm just kidding. I don't, running for public office sounds like the worst. Oh my gosh, yes. No way. You really have to love public service or you really have to love the, that environment too. I do not. My sister is a public official now. Is the county clerk of Bond County, Illinois. And she, well, she's replacing a midterm resignation, but she will have to run for office. Oh. Oh, better get her running shoes on. The attack ads already. Meg Cybert's brother is in with big tech. Hey, you can't, well, you, you got to make sure you don't have any sword histories. Yeah, I don't really. Mud slinging. Well, also, I mean, brother sibling history isn't enough to bring you down anymore, is it? I don't know. Roger Clinton was pretty close, wasn't it? Well, no, he didn't. He didn't bring him down. It's hard to know what would bring anyone down at this point. Yeah. You know, it's the, the, the rules have gone up. I mean, they've always kind of been that way. It's just that. Poor Gary Hart. Gary Hart just must be looking at all of this going, F you all. Yeah, no kidding. I, yeah, Gary Hart. And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I would have voted for Gary Hart or I think, you know, this is not an evaluation of him as a candidate. I'm just saying like he got driven out for way less than Clinton and others have been accused of. Oh man, he's like a saint. Right. I mean, I mean, it's just weird. I mean, even the, even the morality police, their standards have shifted. Yeah, whatever. Well, we're verging on talking politics rather than talking around politics. So blueberries, who loves them? Oh, I like them, but only, in pies. So religion, wait. Blueberries, the favorite of the Republican party. Oh, what have we done? I bet you could. I bet you could politicize blueberries. You can politicize anything. My favorite blueberry. I mean, besides like, just like a blueberry pie or something where it's specifically a dessert. If you have plain Greek yogurt and sprinkle some blueberries in there and then warm up a little honey and pour it over the top. That is a great, like, kind of half dessert, but not really snack. That sounds delicious. I like taking just a bowl of berries and sprinkling yogurt on top. Every morning, I have some muesli with either Greek yogurt or kefir, and either blueberries or blackberries. And then I slice up a banana over them. That's so, you're a breakfast routine guy. Yeah, I have become that. Yeah. I didn't used to eat breakfast. And then we started some diet years ago that required us to do something for breakfast that was fibery, and it's evolved over the years into this. I do the muesli, Eileen does granola. I don't like to eat the same thing every morning. It's like, there's something about, I don't know, it like becomes monotonous and weird to me, but I do. Oh, breakfast gets me out of bed. That was my childhood. I used to eat nothing but corn flakes for breakfast. Years, in fact. Maybe mixed up with a raisin brand or two. I used to eat top ramen for breakfast. And I would still, I just have gotten out of the habit. I bought, I used to, when I was in high school, my brother and I would get a can of cream of chicken soup. This is so gross. This is your breakfast. We dump it in a cup, fill the rest with water, but it was never enough to truly dilute it. It'd be warm water. We'd shake it up real good and drink that on the way of the bus. Why? Because we were insane. I have no idea. I don't know where my mom was. He must have not hated the taste. No, you were feral children. You're right. You scavenge their canned food. They're like, it's chicken. My son just chickened in here somewhere. All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you again for joining us. And realize that was sticking out like that. You can see the wires. Oh no, he gets his answers fed to him. This is it for today's show. But we'll be back tomorrow. Join us then. Love each other. Yeah. See you guys.