 I'm expecting to start it up, and the whole PC will explode Not yet. I was hoping to get it possible that I could streak you rig, but I think I'm gonna do it in time Which isn't a bad thing, you know I'm sure this PC is like can I see ragged a rock and I'm like, mm-hmm. No That would be me Boom boom Everything is working except the fact we're not public yet No public Public humiliation It's been me I caught up on the VODs for Fringy and Just the worries crashed through to tears temple. He's about to learn you can flip it, you know, he's at that point It's almost done as he was ending his stream. He's like, you know, I'm just having a really good time. I like this Good. Yeah, that is good. I would have accepted any other way So make a riddle for you I have seen it before it's great So, hello there Today We are we are me and metal It's where the only where the only chads in the e-fapo sphere that recently played through got a wall one Who three and four four? I guess we're calling it. Yeah, even though ascension is it's ascension technically considered four or is it not I Guess it would be Yeah, it was an ascension nobody wants to call it for No But um, yeah, you guys may have noticed we've been streaming those and we thought since God of War Ragnarok literally releases in three hours and 40 minutes Some people have already said like why aren't you why aren't you streaming it? It's out and I was like, I fucking have it I'm I am a British Escent person who doesn't get to have review copies of shit. All right How weird the email got a wait like everybody else and you know what that gives us more time to talk about some other stuff like Yeah, God of God of God of one one of war God of one Oh boy Yeah, we thought we just have a little retrospective a little chat about these games As you can see in the background. This will be the footage. It will be my playthroughs of these games To act as a visual so you guys know what the fuck we're talking about Yeah start with good ol God of War one a Video game that came out at a particular year and it was created by a company Well, that's covered. I'm very detailed today So Yes, yeah, the idea here will be we talk about I don't know Maybe maybe a little bit of what we thought of it once upon a time and then what we thought on a recent play through I always thought God of War one was the clunky beginner To the series. However, it was good enough Certainly to launch it because I remember loving the fuck out of this game when I first played it. Oh Absolutely Did you what was I forget? So I know I've asked this before but like you with God of War you Got stied with it. You just played them as they came out. I assume. I think I think I played them when I came out I definitely played them pretty early. I played them on the PlayStation 2 for sure At some point I got the the collector thingy on the ps2 it was like a Like a little box that had both of the games in it for ps2 That I got at some point I think I mentioned that a couple of weeks ago that I don't know where that is it might still be somewhere in my dad's garage I don't know But yeah, I played them pretty early on not too long after they released I would I would guess because I was a big old ps2 boy Back in the day, and I yeah played the fuck out of it alone it Yeah, because I think I mentioned on my God of War one stream, but I I Didn't care about it all and then a friend was like you've got like no ps2 games and an old pre-owned ps2 And you know this the only thing with me was um, I was on Gamecube for so long Well into the ps2s lifetime Sorry ps3s lifetime, and I remember a friend being like if you're gonna sit on that generation Can you at least play some ps2 games as well? And I was like, okay, okay play God of War, and I was like what is even God of War and Now I was like my god. This is amazing Yeah, it's um, it's a very specific kind of experience. It is a crazy game Where everything is exaggerated and bizarre and nuts, but also lots of references to Greek stuff Which when you live in the Western world you get references to that every once in a while So you start recognizing things like the Hydra's like I know that man Zeus Ares and and gods of stuff. You're like I know that and then you like Kratos You know like I don't know that was that yeah, it was a guy man who kills everybody you know oh and Yeah, you get the the way this the game structured It's like the the tutorial almost for the game is all the stuff on the ships in there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's that's yeah And then you move to where you get your your first magic ability as well, and then you get to check that shit out Yeah, it gives you a little overview of what's going on And yeah everything especially on replay. It's like everything is very it's all there. It's just all so young and First versions and stuff. Yeah, there's this clunk. There's restorations and To be fair a lot of people will like well how much of that is the emulator? I was playing on it and it was pretty good like in terms of it's almost one-to-one with the game except the I had like a block of visuals held out because But I've identified that since what I mean by that is I did the same thing metal did I now have all God of War games In physical copies. Yeah, I made I made us both buy one that was basically a waste of money We don't talk about that that's fine I'm gonna talk about because it's a very funny story That's like prime example of being excited. Yeah, I was just like looking for stuff Like I want to get the PSP games as physical copies because I probably won't even play them anytime soon But I like this franchise so much. It's my favorite Fair game franchise. I was like, I want to own them all and in the physical form So I can play them whenever I want And I was looking and I was like, oh, what kind of collections is out there? Let's see Oh God of War saga and I randomly found that because I was watching a video about God of War I don't even know what it was about anymore But it's like They mentioned the God of War saga. It's like this is all five games. I was like what that shit exists I need to find that which is amazing because I was like, oh, yes They need to make a God of War one disc every game do it. Yeah, and then I found one on Amazon Obviously not new but doesn't matter. It's like fuck. Yeah, I've got to get that then order it and then I stream more God of War It's like hey, I got this thing and that that's for the first time when someone mentions like all those PSP games Those are codes though. I was like, oh Well, didn't say anything about not being available those codes. So Maybe I'm lucky. Well, yeah, you can always maybe get it on PSP Which you know, we all play PSP these days. Yeah, they have actually have chains of Olympus on PSP Still I have that copy with the UMD and everything. Oh UMD's I had so many good times So yeah, for me, there was not even a leaflet in there with codes So I was like, okay, I could have sure if I would have known I would have expected that fair enough But yeah, but I was so excited. I found that I really talked about Told me usually was like hey, you need to you probably want that and it's like, yeah And then we both ordered it and we both didn't get any keys I have I think three versions of God of War 3 now. I was like, well, I have to why not Well, I have two the two remastered versions of God of War 1 and 2 now Because I have them digitally on my ps3, but now I also have them physically Which apparently I don't have anymore because I don't know where that went But yeah, that was fun And then I ordered another collector's edition that is only has the PSP versions on them and that came through and works perfectly But just like the collector's edition volume 2 or something Yeah, and I also got Ascension in a steel book And I don't think that game was very popular because that was the cheapest of one of the bunch was like 20 bucks No, I Remember Ascension being a game that like it squeaked out I barely knew it existed and then I remember reading about it and people were annoyed with it Different reasons and I remember being like, I'll check it out at some point never did Yeah, same. I checked it out on my last all the way play through of all the games Which was like legit all of them. I played the PSP ones on on PS now, which was a horrible experience Don't ever use PS now or PS remote or whatever the fuck you call it. It's so bad It's so laggy even with good internet was painful I think some of us have gone wrong with the marketing or something because I remember that the hype was unreal for God of War 3 and yet Ascension like I said, I barely even heard about it, but then God of War 2018 the hype was unreal for that as well So it's like what happened? Well, what was the middle bit there? What would you what do you guys do? Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you remember I rage quit Ascension because I do the trial of Archimedes Which I deem to be a very unfun challenge Deem it unfun Super long takes forever to kill things and when you die you go all the way back to the beginning And even with the thing where cheesed some other segments where you just kind of stung up the enemies. It still didn't work And I was so annoyed. I was like, I'm not I don't want to play this again ever But I got Ascension now my ego wants to finish it so some day in the coming months I will probably Revisit the boy and I wouldn't mind doing redemption when God of War 2027 or whatever the fuck comes out I wouldn't mind going through the the the actual full sorry I saw some people being like you said you go through all of them. I was like God all one two three That's what I said. I would do every single God of War. I didn't even have them Though I guess I could have emulated the PSP one. So that makes some Yeah, but yeah, at least I can do that next time It would be weird to play Ascension it would be weird to play a God of War game is brand new But then again, we're doing that tomorrow. So that's on that. I should probably answer I'm gonna say this so many fucking times tonight probably so people are like, so why aren't you streaming it now? When are you gonna stream it? It's like so I'm going to get access to it in three and a half hours Two and a half hours. Sorry. Yeah, and I get access as soon as the delivery man arrives Give me a physical copy of the game the plan for the both of us more than likely is to Like I would probably start streaming it in 18 plus hours from now That's when you will see me playing Ragnarok I actually wanted to stream one more for 2018 because I There's one more thing I wanted to do in it that I think could have taken about an hour or so But I've ran out of time everybody. So we're gonna be moving on to raggers. It'll be lots of fun I expect yeah a Chungus stream. I don't know if that means five hours plus, but it very well might be I'm gonna I'm gonna be Heading for some lunch with a friendo because it's birthday Somewhere in the afternoon and then I guess I'll be back at like 6 p.m That's when I'm gonna start and I'm just gonna start as long as I can because Unfortunately, I have to work the next day So I can't just do a big chunky stream because this is one of those Streams that could easily be like be like a 12-hour stream if I would have a day off the next day Because I see myself Wasting a lot of time. I'm so awkward to because I got Friday Got a Friday night tights talking about Black Panther and then Saturday. I got a eFap Well, you made me now watch it too. So I'm wasting precious Ragnarok time to watch Black Panther Yeah, I got it. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to feel Wednesday and this day Friday. I don't go be able to do much at all. So And then Saturday, nope, I won't be able to do any of that So it'd be Sunday will be the next time I stream Ragnarok then that's annoying I like going I like going absolute ham on my video games. Yeah, I'm this is like beef It's been really weird the last two days because my my last three days before that was basically I'm gonna get up and Play go to war Like the last couple of weeks if I'm not doing a fortune anything. It's just I'm gonna play and they go to war now And like yesterday today, it's like I'm not playing any game. I tried to play something. I was like, I don't feel like playing anything else I just want Ragnarok now I don't want to play anything else One of those like it's about time, right? Yeah, I do use of prepare preparation But I did a fucking nine hour go to war 2018 stream two days ago to get back on track because I had to Because of the coof I was like shit. I need to Fuck it go And then I did a nine hour stream. It's like I'm good I was looking at my past broadcast and I was like I was like three hour four hour three hour two and a half Three hours for the go to war 2018 and then suddenly a fucking like eight and a half It was like what the hell why even happened that day? It was what I was It's the first time I did Niefelheim and I remember a Because it was like new challenging arcadey and there was like goals I remember like when I'd finally finished my main intentions with Niefelheim I was like, well, that was good. That was kind of fun. I guess I'll move on to the Valkyries And it's like dude, I was there for like three hours. Holy shit. Yeah, I didn't realize Yeah, I did those things last on my my last playthrough that all the most most billheim and Niefelheim stuff It's fun stuff. It's it's cool. And I will say uh, I I just like it's just A truth and I think this applies to both of us big old big old god of war fan. Just damn. Yeah, I'm passionate about it Which is funny because I haven't played the game in the series I think we're fleaming. I mean, there's nothing I can do about it. So we can just carry on There will be an uploaded vision of this that won't have that problem The fucking dude is there. He just he sees that he's there. He's just like fucking tosses him off the edge Yeah, the boatman Feels like something the 2018 creators would not do And there's there's a no no it feels like that's that's That's part of the difference creators is kind of just an asshole in the uh, the first three games But he's like gradually coming around I think he's a he's lost a lot of faith in how we say just Existence he's kind of like this this whole thing has been shit after what happened to his um You know, part of how he manages to kill his uh His family is the fact that he's just dominating. He's having loads of fun being incredibly powerful Yeah, everything is really important to remember as well because it gets played into quite a bit for uh Atreus's characterization Oh way back Oh way back. Well, don't worry guys all the stuff that me and mel just said is saved and it'll be on the re-upload Yeah, don't worry long f for sure. That was a long f. Sorry about that Um Athena pc you can spy So, uh, yeah, you that that that's the plot line you move through Athens until it's kind of the geography of this fucking world is insane You move through Athens to the desert where pandora's box. Oh, yeah. Yeah It's like, oh, that's that's that it's like, okay It's also like it's missing like a hub world in the middle Yeah, like uh, I'm not sure what their plans were exactly how this world is going to come together But they were just like fuck it you go into the desert next And uh, that's how I remember god of war one is the it's pandora's temple That's how I remember the the campaign because that's where you spend like 60 of it Yeah, pandora's temple takes a while. It's uh, it's a big big boy Uh But yeah, it's it's really weird because you go to the right and it's like there's the desert. It's like, okay And I think in the cutscene they even make it out to be like really big Like you were spending a while getting to where you are Where for you it's just like you walk through this big door and then you're there It's uh, yeah, it's all this is all quite tight together together This is what I was looking for when you fight some ogres in this area There's just civilians running around and you can kill them for health But it's like, yeah, this is kind of I wouldn't even refer to this as ludonarrative dissonance Normally I would But in this game, I can kind of believe kratos wouldn't give a fuck Oh, yeah, he doesn't give a shit. I don't think he gives a shit at that point Yeah, you'd be like get out of my way like I have important work to do. Fuck you guys, you know And um, yeah one of my favorite parts of all of my playthrough is the you have This would be considered ludonarrative dissonance. You have Athena telling you Please rescue my city from these like these horrible monsters. It's all of this horror that areas is doing You're like, okay, and you start just fucking pillaging while you're running through you steal people's money You you wreck their houses and stuff and just doing that fucking whatever I need to unlock stuff And it's like I can picture Athena watch you be like, okay That's something okay. I guess you you need to do that. He's gonna stop saving them any time now It'd be great. Um, yeah, and you're just like, yeah, you know fucking whatever and then you start this part and uh Obviously the rage mechanic has uh been well introduced at this point and um Well, I think it's after I've killed the the ogres and I'm just sort of fucking around and I'm grabbing the civilians for health And once the while and uh, one of them I kill fully charges The rage beater and so I I kill this civilian. They're screaming. I throw their body that Athena goes the let the rage of Spartan What the fuck Athena like Granting me this awesome power because I execute your civilians Well, we don't like them we don't like them The thing if you populate your world with those of innocent people that are easy to kill give you health like I mean A little too tempting Because yeah, I remember this part the health is so good and the civilians are just everywhere They're just like these ogres were never gonna kill me. It was never gonna happen No, you can get it. It feels like they spawn Unlimited for a while Those civilians, I'm not sure I have nothing to prove that but it feels like they don't get less until you Beat all the all the ogres Yeah, um, oh, yeah, it's probably worth mentioning me and mel. I'm assuming you're the same anyway But I went with hard on every god of war one two three and four. Yes. Yes. Yes Hard being the third of four difficulties. Let's see if we could put it that way I think it's I only started with those like halfway through october So it's like I might have gone with the hardest one if I would have had more time But I played the first three silent hills before that for spooky month And then I saw you play god of war and I was like fuck now. I want to play them too Even though I said I'm not gonna go through all of them again. I did I did Oh, you know what? I think I might actually have the moment here See my rage is almost full. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah Oh, where's the civilian? Give me one Oh, man, look at this dude. Sorry, buddy. Use your feet of health Even though Let the rage of the gods guide your blade That's great I was already noticing it though when I was just playing this section the grabbing When when the cyclops is or whatever those were when they're like dazed and confused you can sort of Hit circle and then you'll you'll throw your little knife at them and you can ram their head into the ground So I think and you see me try it like three times the animation does play But it doesn't connect and there's a lot of that in god of war one grabs just don't connect They've gone better that have it got a little bit better, but I still died because of that even in three Yeah, we tried to grab the one that's glowing with the circle and then you start grabbing At the guy, but nothing happens. It's like cool one fail to fail. Okay. Now I lost half my health Okay, now just kill me because I don't accept that health loss Oh, yeah, sometimes you Gotta do that. I do that out of principle sometimes like you've hurt me to the point where I refuse to play I am not comfortable But yeah, so you Because I you know, I'm trying to sort of cycle through this in some level of speed But feel free to highlight any one as we go But yes, you eventually get to the good old Pandora's temple and you the whole thing there is to just solve a series of crazy puzzles to Get access to the box. Yeah, this is all on kronos's back by the way the titan kronos Yeah, which uh, it was an interesting choice for what they were going to make this game about that's what they went with Yeah, for the location. That's the main like I said the main place you you spend your time in Kronos is a is a weird one a weird character in this in the trilogy. Yeah Uh Because in this one you just you just kind of on his back if he's not even really a character if I recall correctly Then in the second one, he's like, oh, hey, we bodies now. I hear have my powers. It's like, okay, cool. Thanks Yes, and then the third one. He suddenly hates you. It's like, do I call you bastard? It's like, but I thought we Okay, and he hates you specifically because you took Pandora's box. That's what he says He got he got punished for that. Also what you did to Gaia Yeah But I mean well, I mean Gaia Yeah, it's it's it's odd and uh, it makes you wonder if it was just a um I don't know recording. He left you in in in god war two. It wasn't actually him up to date, you know But yeah, uh this Gosh look at the floor Who needs it? Um Um Yeah, I think the there's there's definitely a funny to this game in that uh when you get the Pandora's box after everything you just get hit by like a pillar from Little miles away rose it across across the map and I was like, wow Why did you wait so long to do that? You could have just killed me this whole time it's one of those uh You get a realization every once in a while the god of war games We just like wow anything can happen at any time it doesn't Yeah, this this game is oh shit. I forgot about this guy. He was my favorite Minotaur he sucks dick, dude Yeah, he's probably my most hated boss at least in god war one What I learned in this playthrough that I did don't fight him down there. Just no, yeah Same thing for me. Uh, it's so it's not even comparable. It's so much easier It's uh, so this is the conclusion. It's so weird. There's more mechanics at play at the bottom end Yeah Why did they design this this way? I do not know but this he's a pushover when you put pull him to the top Yeah, you can kind of just hug the right. I think Until he does tries to do the grab move then you go left Then you go just back to the right and then you can just basically dodge anything Because I was like under the impression with how games tend to work The you might get like a good hit or two at first, but he's eventually gonna like, you know Fuck you over by keeping you up there You you want to bring in grabs you it deals like no damage even on heart. Yeah, no, I'm just gonna go back up. Thank you I don't care When I think I entertained the idea of like, okay I'll see what happens if we just keep him up there and then it was just like this is Fucking a pushover now with the hell Yeah, which annoyed me because I wanted to try and beat him on the on the lower end But that was just beyond fucking frustrating I'd lose my mind with it Um, just brought back all the memories from the last time I fought him because I I struggled with him as well And then I was like, oh, he's easy up here. I'm just going to do it up here I did I did it multiple times down there before I'm good I figured this one out. I'm good Yeah, I was here for a while This one's why this became a lot longer as a playthrough. I think Mm-hmm So, yeah, then um I think We may as well just move over to the end game uh Being the god that It's funny because it's god of all one. It's like, I don't want to shit on it too much. Okay, because I really like it But holy shit, maybe they should have designed the fucking end differently or just cut it out Imagine I don't think I haven't been that angry at a game in a while. Yeah. Yeah I don't even think I was that angry last time I played it. I don't know why did it differently But I think it took me longer this time This shit's annoying enough in the underworld as part of just oh, yeah and what The person designing this shit why like all of it. I don't know why I don't know Why did you do this? There was someone I'd um accidentally did at one point some people in chat will remember But um, there was like a direction I go forward Or left forward was like the the secret left was the proper way I went a little bit forwards Uh, and then I was like, oh, I don't know if that's a secret or not I went the other way I had propped the checkpoint on both of them So now that meant I had to do all of both sections without failing in order to So I was just like so that's awful Someone in chat just said it's old, you know, there's a lot of old games out there They're really fucking good. Just saying. Yeah Also, this game can't get away with that because loads of it is good Oh, yeah Combat is great. Yeah, it's real fun. Uh, the puzzles are pretty adequate It's hell. What did you expect dude? Hell in 2018 is awesome Oh, I don't I think I think you could have made hell amazing But yeah, it's funny because I'm targeting this this part which is annoying enough, right? But I have to get to the the part Okay, that everyone talks about around you somewhere Because oh, here she is. Oh the pillows. Oh, fuck me I said to the stream at the time of playing this that I was like I don't know what it is because I'm not going to be stuck on this for as long as other parts And I know that I can do it But this is infuriating me quicker than anything ever like it's just it gets to my soul so quickly this fucking part In terms of how much of the noise the hell out of me well It takes it takes a while to get up these things Then as soon as you get hit by something you fall all the way back down of that pillar Yeah, the hitbox is on that blade on those blades are fucking trash I remember when I did it I didn't know how I'd managed to get through like I've already passed you several there that I didn't think I would Yeah And then you have to reset then it takes away a pretty significant chunk of of hell as well So if you get hit often enough you just want to kill yourself anyway. Yeah to reset your health And it's just it's just a thing of annoying Where we're just like I don't want to do this This Yeah, it's like one of those remembered parts. I've got a war one again. Everybody talks about how much they fucking hate that bit Um, and yeah the person who designed it, uh, I'm sure they're happy with what they did. Okay They didn't make several enemies. Wasn't that David Jeff Jeffy. Yeah, that's what a lot of people say Yeah, a guy who complained about metro dread being poorly designed. What a joke As it it really does feel like it's like you made that please stop Yeah But there's so many people through so much pain Yeah, the one on screen the the update stuff takes a bit in this one, but they changed it in the second one Fortunately, oh god. Yeah a few putting your blood points into upgrades It takes fucking forever in this game if If you're ever in an awkward position of like upgrading it to fight a boss Immediately and it's not like it's after a checkpoint. Someone in chat was saying that happened to them on one of the higher upgrade ones like god That's awful um So anyway, yeah, you get through the underworld then you go back up to um To Athens for a little while and then you start playing the end game, which is quite something, isn't it? God That's what I was referring earlier that I haven't been so angry at a game For a while Yeah, you and I uh approached this differently Let's put it that way because your your first phase. I think you were trying to save your rage I think I used it like immediately on my playthrough Yeah, and it helped me get through this part really quick Tried to save my magic at least on my second day of trying this because at some point I was just so angry and was Later I was like I need to stop or I'm gonna get a heart attack Yeah, well something that I think gave us both the edge we needed to complete it was knowing that uh You get infinite mana during rage That uh, that really helps because the Hades minions thing is like an excellent move or just cost so much mana Yeah, I think I ended up using uh cronus Stuff, okay, dude. I just realized I'm fucking dominating him without rage actually. Yeah, I remember watching you Doing this part of the fight you in the one where you finished it I think you absolutely demolished his first phase. He didn't even hit you once Kind of crazy Well, yeah, this is the phase. It's like relatively chill. It's the it's the this one that is damages insane though The damage he deals is fucking nuts. That's why I said relatively because yeah, he That part it is a normal fighting phase where you use your weapons and you're against one enemy and you can concentrate on that And then we get to this This part and famous good Gods, I I don't know what the fuck happened here I don't know how that went through anything I had a friend that I was talking to about how he'd recently gone through or at least within the year I think gone through the God of War game. He said, um, I was just like, oh, I'm at the fucking uh The savior family part and he was like, oh, yeah, I love that bit and I was like, what? He's like, oh because of difficulty The he was so he was talking about what it means story wise and how much you could draw out of it And how mean like cool it is that he's sort of fighting all of these angry craters is that you know And I was like, what what difficulty you play the game on he was like, oh, uh, I think I think the normal and I was like, right Yeah I think on normal. I didn't complain about this part, but when you played on heart Fucking imagine god of god of war mode or tight whatever is called to this. Geez. That's what I was thinking the whole time like I don't know They deal a pretty significant amount of damage as well And they easily stun lock you uh You basically have to get in a certain rhythm And kill as many as you can just Do like I don't know aim The ground pound attack at the at the at your wife. Basically. Yeah, yeah For the best but then even then sometimes at certain angles some some of them just straight up ignore your ground pound attacks That's what I've noticed. Mm-hmm And I couldn't make any rhyme or reason of it Some of them had like a weird angle where for some reason the attack didn't reach But sometimes you hit like five of them and only three went up and the other one were like I'm here now. Fuck you. It was uh There was there was an element of luck. I think The victory on this one you had some hideously bad luck. You you you lost like the final dude like three different times Yeah, the fucker on the stone back there that shoot stuff I warned you about it Yeah Fucking hate the guy in the back. Why did they do that? That was so unnecessary Just throwing a random crater to the background that tosses lightning or whatever. It's like why Because you need I think you need to kill a certain amount of them because I had one going back and forth And there was one guy with a big sword keeps keeps spawning I was like, okay, I guess I have to jump over there because that no magic And then I got that guy but in the meantime the guy with the sword killed the wife and family is like god damn it Yeah, I think the way I finally finished that part was just Killing as many as I can with a ground attack onto the family And then when I saw them getting overwhelmed, I just spammed the cronuses rage Went into berserk mode spammed it more more more more more more more and then it Eventually, oh dude, look at me getting chained out by these fuckers. Well, that's the most infuriating fucking thing Tag tag tag tag and you're spamming everything. You're like, I can't move Yeah, uh, this this part is well known by every player of god of war one on hard difficulties it is a Is a thing you need to use everything you you know and have learned and maybe even more than that to Fucking Your family can be at full hp and they can knock them down In seconds if you're away for too long, which yeah, it's oh it's annoying Oh, yeah, I because I I think after I finished this I was looking for speed runs for god of war one because I never seen one Which is interesting because I watched quite a bit of speed running back in a day. Uh-huh It was a pretty good video actually With someone just absolutely demolished the game who wasn't even like an active runner He was just playing offline And then at some point joined the community and was like, oh, I can't do this like way faster by the way I was just Challenging myself and he was like I was a bit of a dick about it But then he he put out videos part by part where he showed what he found and he just halved the time of completion it was actually nuts And I was because I was curious how do speed runners to this one like they must have something and it's like, oh, yeah, there's a There's an infinite mana glitch all the way at the beginning that you can do so. Oh, yeah, that helps The way is when you get crowed as this right you could just kind of clip through The top of it it was like some kind of high jump and then the game just thinks you're in In that unlimited magic mode to test out your magic Oh, I see that makes sense. Yeah So he just gets just gets constantly refilled all the time Oh, dude, when you're at this part where a few of them are spawning so you can just start using the grab Have I done it? Have I finally done it? Yeah, you have that fucker in the back. Yeah, you still fuck it around because yeah, you have to you have to kill him I guess you could you just grab grab grab until you have enough magic to just throw lightning at him Yeah, I think that's what i'm trying to do is get Zeus's bolt smart. That's smart. Oh there you go Are we like jesus fucking christ finally? Oh, no, he died at some point. Okay, and then you get the final fight Oh, yeah Here take this weapon you've never used before And also you don't have a proper health bar you have to do like a duel where you have to He has like a tug of war Have the bar all the way And in like two hits he can get like half of it away from you on heart. It's Oh There's like a couple of times where it was almost done And then just hits you a couple of times like well, that's a complete reset time to start over. Whoo-hoo. Yeah, look at that I just I was getting close to winning there, but Not anymore And reset. No, that's oh it's I was gonna say look at the timeline. It's like, yeah, this is not my victory Also a strange choice for the god of water have like spider legs come out of the back of him Or whatever that is. Yeah, I don't know what that's about. He was like, ah That's those spider legs the range with the attacks he has. Yeah well So many times I think the hitbox is actually longer than the spider legs sometimes But yeah, uh, that's a big old tug of war. It's really annoying Yeah, that's that's the god of war one. It was uh, it was really fun and neat and cool But man Has it it's not it's not aging so great to be fair some of this stuff wasn't good at the time I remember this being pissed at the time anyway Like uh, everyone complained about the underworld This is the game came out Yeah, but there's there's clunk to movement to combat to the camera to The graphics obviously They're still I remember there's still been like visually impressive for the time, but it's uh, yeah, yeah, um for sure But like a very respectful beginning to uh to a series. Yeah, and basically the game ends with uh You misunderstanding semantics. It's like, yeah, we forgive you your sins We never said we're gonna make you forget about them And then you try it's like, oh man, I have nothing else to lose. I'm just gonna kill myself And then Athena's like, uh, no, you're gonna go to war now get wrecked. It's like, yeah, which Funnily enough is like, you know what? Because he seems to be like kind of happy about that that uh, they imply that he's the god of war up until present day Uh of our world sort of thing and it's like, oh, okay, and there's like all these scenes with uh With world war one two or whatever Yeah, it's like spec ops type people Right, right So it's um, yeah It's like, uh, that's it. That's one and done franchise Be be be full and Then it made loads of money And they were like, wait a minute It's god of war thing. Maybe we should make another one um That was funny. I was trying to jump right into god of war two from the end of my god of war one stream And the other day was like fucking crapping out But never managed to pull it off But then I thought everything fixed thanks to and I think I mentioned it when I started up the advice of people on stream Oh, appreciate it. Uh, and the emulator was running better than better than ever. I think Yeah, this one we open story wise with kratos is drunk with power and he's basically doing the shit that aries was doing now um, yeah Which has prompted the gods to want to try and stop him or at the very least athena she opens with uh sort of She she like a lightning strikes him and reduces him from godzilla type Kaiju man into normal man And then she puts that power into this statue that comes alive and starts trying to kill you and you're like, oh, okay And then she said they can't attack each other I guess that's that I would call that attack It feels like uh feels like god of war two is like fuck that We're doing other stuff now. Oh, yeah, do we mention casually by the way the fucking kratos just escaped The underworld that's just something you could do like you could be killed. Yeah, he was so angry. He was like no I'm gonna go back It's so strange because it's so like accepted by people who play it included myself by the way that you get killed You get your like torso is torn out by that thing that aries does to you And it's like, oh, I'm in the underworld now and then it's like, yeah You got to you know complete a few puzzler platformers kill some enemies and then you'll be back in the living world It makes sense, right? Yeah. Yeah makes sense. Like wait a minute. Yeah I I think Chains of Olympus happens before this one If I'm not mistaken I thought all the psp one which is the one where you meet your brother dimos and uh Yeah, I think the The gods took dimos from you for uh towards Olympus and not you Uh And then you find them again because you thought he was dead, but he's not really dead But then he dies at the end. Oh, it's cause of sparta. Sorry. Yeah, we would talk about those, but I am played himself It's been two years and I don't call them that much. But yeah, this is the one where you meet your brother and I think you Oh, sorry. No, I have played chains of Olympus. I didn't play ghost of sparta. I kind of mix those two, uh In their story lines because in one of them you actually meet your daughter again Yeah, you you kill persephone and in one of them, right? Uh, yeah, yeah, that's that's what uh, hades references in god war three then as well And you decide not to stay with your daughter and in order to Actually save the gods. I think because someone is doing some shenanigans and then you Do that and help Olympus. I think uh, yeah Yeah, people saying persephone is chains of Olympus. I definitely played that one. Yeah But yeah, I wanted to read out with them, but I didn't have time unfortunately But yeah, that's that's about it. That's the it's gotta be more interesting when we get to three because we do the whole The whole thing with uh Pandora Which it kind of sees like a daughter which we kind of did already in In that psp one then we are already it's like, okay, I need to uh Not chill with my daughter because I need to help here or something And someone just mentioned that one confirms Zeus is the grave digger. Isn't that ascension that does that? Um, and it's because of it's literally like the fighting mode or something You can choose the grave digger and he has like an animation where he turns into Zeus I do not remember. I remember someone might know someone said that somewhere in some youtube short or whatever That's how I Found out about it, but I remember the theories about the grave digger being Zeus for that Okay um Yeah, it's just the idea that Zeus is the one that facilitated Ares downfall with Kratos Along with Athena more than likely and then they both decided fuck Kratos in god of war 2 Yeah And then yeah the story again is getting weird Because Kratos does get stabbed he ends up in the underworld again, but then Gaia is like Ah It's actually is even funnier than that because you make your way towards the city uh Athena is trying to kill you and all of a sudden Zeus is like hey here take the blade of Olympus. It's really good You only need to put your all your power in it Kratos like, okay. All right. Why are you helping me though? Uh, uh, here's the blade And then he gets smushed by the statue after he beats it by accident Yeah, that's weakens him because he lost all his power and then Zeus comes out I was like thank you for your power and then he stabs you It's a really weird beginning for the story. So this was uh, this was interesting. Um, a lot of people were like pointing out that Sparta because part of gets destroyed by Zeus, right? Yeah so Is that still canon or did we with the time shenanigans did that get undone? This this is the thing the the whole time shenanigans doesn't make any fucking sense It's all full of time paradoxes Because even if because when you when you get to the fates You you only kill one of them the other one just get Trapped in another mirror Basically, they can just go back to the temple of the fates and still stop you again Well, yeah spoiler alert that's gonna be the big criticism of this game. Yeah, um, but for now Yeah, we'll just say the Zeus kills him. Gaia is like nah, that's not happening. Then you write a pegasus to um The you need to get to the fates specifically so you can just alter fate Which um, I know if the fates are like a story that's been told but like this is something you need to execute very carefully And yeah, we will stumble across why very soon Because the one thing that's going really well for this series right now Isn't the plot it's Kratos is a character this this this guy who's so fucking angry He won't die and he's gonna kill everybody and he gets to meet all these things that we recognize from greek mythology And go to these cool worlds and do this fun combat. It's like, okay, that's all good You still got all that running pretty well functioning and um, yeah you you The the the fates the temple of the fates is the center It's that that's the whole game is basically going through this giant series of puzzles and combat to get to the fates basically Yeah It's the same is god will one again, but everything is refined. Everything is smoother looks a bit nicer the combat is a bit smoother It's uh, I think it's listen to the It feels like just listen to the feedback of the first game and improved upon basically everything Um, like I don't know that there's anything I think is better in god will one than two I couldn't tell you anything I think it's just straight up all improved and it's no wonder to me that god wall 2 has a huge level of respect from fans Because it's just like this is just this is how games often are supposed to go Like you like that first thing we'll give you more of it and we'll change up a whole bunch of stuff And uh continue the story quote unquote But we're mainly just trying to get you to have the same fun you had but uh also change it up according to what you want Um improved other than story That's a Actually a good point. The story probably is better in god will one Oh, yeah, I thought there was a given to be honest. That's why I didn't mention it. I was just well The thing is that I was only playing about gameplay here. Yeah, they're both not exactly great Oh, no, no, no, they aren't Yeah, um Obviously looking for highlights as well as we go through but I mainly want to get to that that park So I don't talk about it because it's super important for story But um, first of all, I think it's hilarious that when you come across the fates that one of them Is uh is in the kill me room. It is so funny Uh, I've I've been looking to see if there's any context for why that could make any sense at all That uh, one of them just lives in a room that's solely designed to kill her Like what what is the point of all of it? Give me the last one the one you kill the big chungus one Yeah Why is there like blades uh pendulum blades just around? It's such a weird room I'm gonna find it. Oh wait, I think I skipped over it Is it or is it before this? Oh, it's definitely after the the kraken fight wasn't very good I remember being disappointed about that Oh, yeah, I kind of just have to stun him then do the things and then you're done. It's like, yeah Yeah Is Oh, is it after is she the last of the fates you fight I guess that makes sense Yeah, the chungus one is still as the very last one of the fates you fight. Yeah, yeah Here she is. Yeah, this this whole room is kind of funny to me because it is just everything you're completing I don't understand this at all like, uh, it's all mechanically. It's all perfectly normal. It's all gamey game Yeah, but why is this here this way? It's really weird Yeah, she's this giant fat long thing and uh All these devices and contraptions they're like solely Uh used by you to just facilitate her death very very odd Um, but all right. Yeah, we'll roll it back a bit and go to the um the other two fates you fight The the fight ends with you locking them behind Um One of the mirrors the last mirror that's uh the middle one Yeah, then you smash them the implication being they can't get back to this time They are trapped now in in wherever they were and it's like okay, but wherever they are has A them there and a functioning series of mirrors, I assume Yeah, so they can probably still come back if they wanted to presumably but this is the thing Uh, because you're fucking with time so much. I have no idea what any of this really means for anything anyone anywhere yeah, um, and it's really Hard for me to believe that these guys would be beaten by you because They can look at control and fate yeah Presumably excited. I'm gonna I'm gonna fight fight you instead of Using all the abilities I have to not do that Yeah, um So I almost want to skip to it because like those are those problems We could dig into more of them, but let's just highlight to the the main one For those who don't know Kratos is like, aha now I have the the thing I very much want I can go back in time and Try and stop the the particular events from happening. It's like wait. Why don't I just go back in time and grab the titans From the big old titan wall And then drag them presumably to present time Yeah, yeah, it is somehow does that and then We can we can all attack mount olympus Um, it's like, all right. Let's do it. That'll be the thing to do because uh, the sorry, that's the second thing He does like where does he travel the first time? Oh, so it's to when Zeus is killing him. Yeah Yeah, so technically there's two Kratos here one that has been stabbed. So I guess it's went to hell I'm not sure about that Because we we have the prime prime. Let's call the prime timeline And then he goes back in time to attack Zeus here and you have your big old boss fight And as you just highlighted there was a second Kratos there. What happened to him. I don't know I must have grabbed to go to hell and when he comes back Zeus is already dead. He's like, oh cool Yeah, or maybe just fucking died You can do it other Kratos Kratos wasn't as committed as the one of our timeline timeline He says, oh, I guess I'm dead now Yeah, here comes Athena being a fucking idiot the I remember seeing the Zeus crawling around in the background. You're like, oh, damn it. Like, ah Yeah, here it comes Kratos is gonna go for that extra stab. He stabs Zeus in the chest so many times Yeah That's fine because when we finish this part the game, it just goes back up to Olympus and then he's fine Yeah, no worries Um Yeah, and Kratos feels really bad about stabbing Athena even though she's been kind of a cunt to you a little bit. Yeah Um But I I don't know. I appreciate this because this uh, this helps inform a certain event much later in these games. So Yeah, then Kratos is like real mad and so he decides I'm gonna go back in time grab the Titans and set up God of War 3 by attacking Mount Olympus It's like, okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool But You have access to all of time Maybe You start to think about How all this happened It's like, why do you want to kill the gods because they betrayed you? Why did they betray you? It's like, well, you became a god of war and got too zealous and it's like, why did that happen? I was like, well, I ended up killing Ares and becoming god of war. I was like, why'd that happen? You know, well, I hate Ares and uh And they wanted me to do it. It's like, why'd you hate Ares? It's like, oh, well, he tricked me into um, into Into killing my family Oh, man, might want to go back there The one event he would absolutely want to change and can change and Um, yeah, once you realize that, uh, I think this is what absolutely annihilates god of war 2 story Yep, absolutely. There's nothing any developer or writer can say because it's fucked And did did you say that the comment on this was that he was too angry? Yeah, apparently the the devs or writers said he was too angry to remember his family. It's like unacceptable Fuck off Although it's kind of it's probably worth mentioning Like Zeus is alive this whole time while you do your little adventure and he just doesn't care to stop you You have the power of the fates and he's not doing anything about it. Yeah, he's not doing shit The it's the same we've got a war three to be honest Well, I guess the god of war three is busy fighting the titans. I guess you have a little bit of leeway there It's even worse that the writers would have said that because that means they literally have no fucking clue Like how to how to justify this one. It's like I pray it was kind of for god exactly a little bit. Yeah I'm too mad to remember my motivation. Yeah meanwhile in 2018 It feels like that's never ever ever not on his mind like that. Yeah a whole event even with the new family Um, but yeah, uh despite all all the things we just said though I love god war 2 mechanically. It's fucking rock solid at this point. Almost everything is is working Super super duper well And um, you know, it's and you get some cool big old spectacle pieces plenty of Characters to meet it once again and fun fights and You know good style upgrades difficult challenges and stuff the final fight being less a lot less cringe actually than uh god of war one and then super hype for Percent of god of war three. It was like, oh my god. Yeah so um Which I mean, I guess we'll move on to because this thing meanwhile, I'm not going to be here all night. Okay, folks Yeah, nice casual chat. Gosh And so begins god of war three Uh, which I've said before and I'll say again I was hyped as hell for this game got it on release and played it all night And that was one of my favorite gaming experiences all time when I first played this game It's such a hype game It delivers on so many levels. Do the fucking intro credits. Did you did you play this on your stream? Uh, I assume I did. This is when you boot up the game. It's not when you hit start I think I I put in I put in the PS3 version of the saga edition and it forces you to watch it the first time so I I at least watched it offline when I checked out the Ice the sorry. We only mentioned it yet. It's a given the fucking music all the games is glorious Replaying these now and just listening a bit more to the music. I think it's one of my favorite soundtracks in video gaming It's fucking awesome. Absolutely And yeah, this this intro credits just summarizes the events of god all one and two And despite the fact we just went over how goofy they are when they're presented like this At the end with an army of titans after an army of gods. You just like you can't you can't not be hype that works And uh, yeah gorgeous artwork as well and like I said the The track behind all this and Yeah, this was this felt like the almost the height of god of war's popularity for for gaming but to be honest with you it's probably been uh Reached its renaissance again now with the hell. Yeah with ragnarok as well Gonna be really curious. I'm i'm i'm even more excited for ragnarok than I was for elden ring Yeah, I I think that I would agree with you on that one. Uh I was I was excited for all the rig. I was pretty excited for elden ring I I mean I played the fuck out of that game like I think one of my first dreams was like 12 hours long Like I played the fuck oh, yeah, that was a long boy Yeah, I haven't touched it since by the way Well the thing is um, I was invested in elden ring mechanically Yeah, I'm invested in god of war mechanically and for story. Oh, yeah, both to very high degrees So it's like yeah, this is a dissatisfaction Yeah, the only thing I've heard so far is from the initial reviews is that it's it's it's liked but that doesn't mean anything necessarily I'm just avoiding everything. Someone's already mentioned. I think it's in a super chat. We'll we'll try and get to but um The youtube's already filled with fucking spoilers and they're recommending it to people who have anything to do I somehow completely avoided. I just feel bad because people who were watching our streams Been telling me it's like oh, yeah YouTube is just recommending to me all these spoilers that are in thumbnails and I was like god damn it On about five or six separate occasions I'll be reading titles of just random videos and it'll say like Thor in a trend. I'll be like nope. No I I have been really lucky. I haven't seen anything on twitter or nothing on youtube Yeah Yeah, uh story for this game is super straightforward Uh, you were attacking Olympus with with the titans against the gods and as the game progresses You all the titans and all the gods die Everyone's fucking died. This is the everyone dies game And it is hilarious and it's funny because it's like the shortest god of war I want to say I don't know if that's actually true. I'm guessing it feels like the shortest it goes by so quickly Yep, and uh, it's I don't know man. It's just like It's perfect I fucking love this game. Um, like you start you're in the back of Gaia and it's like And you just start start ripping shit apart. Yeah, uh, this is the peak of the formula. They nailed it. They've done it Yeah, uh, it's kind of funny. You see Gaia fighting against Poseidon a bit and This playthrough is like man, no wonder the titans fucking lost. You guys have no fucking chance No, the gods are super powered Poseidon is handling to be like a little clown boy Gaia like you you're getting wrecked Yeah, Poseidon, uh, just fucking He shoots right through the heart of one of the titans to open Yeah, he just kills one on the way to Gaia. He's like Fuck you get wrecked. He's like, no There was a there was a post on the mollusub reddit asking why moll got rid of his Part three of the god of war three stream This one's like, what do you mean? It's like Well, because you know it was four parts for god of war one three for god of war two So how many it wasn't just two for god of war three was it? It's like, yeah, there was Yes, I think I had two or three for for the run Sir, it's it's really strange. I blasted through this game and um to be honest with you in retrospect I probably should have tried. I don't know if it would have become the spike of difficulty could have been too much but I had two parts as well I'd be curious to try it on this would be the out of all the games This is the one I wouldn't mind trying on the hardest difficulty because I think you you you steamroll pretty hard towards the end You get so many orbs. It's crazy There's a couple of parts in this campaign that are pretty difficult though, and I wonder how they play on the hardest difficulty Pretty sure I did it on the ps3 back in the day. Um, I don't know if I could do it these days without Flowing some kind of aneurysm or something that does happen when you start, you know struggling through it, but yeah Just what can you say about this game? um Graphically gorgeous Mechanically, they've listened and listened and they've put everything in place to be the way that people would likely want it And story. I mean they've they've they made craters kill all of the greek gods and they gave them very specific and gruesome deaths Oh, yeah That's well, it's great It's great. Some of the some of the gods just get One hit kill though, which is a little bit disappointing Like uh, isn't he not yeah helios is it right? He just gets helios is one of the disappointing ones. I would say yeah, because um Like Poseidon being almost the tutorial Kill is is uh acceptable. I think as well as the spectacle of it is fucking phenomenal yeah, um Hades is my favorite boss fight the original trilogy Fucking awesome It's my favorite fight too like visually the way you go You get his weapon then he comes out of the water like as a skeleton basically it's like oh Yeah, it's so thematically. It's perfect. You kill him with his own weapons um And uh, yeah, I love the way it starts the clancy brown fucking nailing it as a voice and then this arena And uh, yeah, cinematically spectacle. It's it's all just top notch and it's quite cool in terms of mechanics A lot of it is very well telegraphed and varied. Yeah in terms of what you're dealing with Very very strong boss fight. Oh, of course the music as well is fucking top notch. Oh Don't skip clown boy. I mean we you know Poseidon you clown him like a little clown boy Yeah right You just fucking put your thumbs and as my your thumbs and his eyes and you get the pov over it's like trees Yeah, this is a cool intro for Hades Your soul is mine And yeah, by the way, Hades is a good example of I think a lot of people in chat will probably say this now Like uh, people don't like his design. I think it's fucking awesome I love it great I love the the furnace type mask face he's got going and then yeah just this Lashy spiky like All of it is fucking gross and uh, you start Legitimately just cutting parts off of his body. Yeah, and they kind of live and then you have to beat them up uh Yeah, it's Great. I love it I remember some people feeling like he's too beastly and flashy and stuff. They don't I don't like it And it makes me think about um Oh, you know, we'll be seeing how that ends up soon enough, which is as early as tomorrow, but I trust them to have their own versions of this stuff Um, yeah, we'll see I mean, I I I have faith in arachnarok. I really do they did such a good job with 2018. I and people keep saying Corey bellrock has his name right barlog Barlog I say bellrock is fun. Yeah Like he liked the last of us too. It's like, yeah, maybe but this is like Plenty of people we trust like last of us too, and that's okay. Yeah. Yeah And hey, whatever the proof will be in the pudding, right? If it's bad as bad as good as good We'll see. I'll be I'll be furious if it's bad I will be very sad. Yeah, that's that's uh, I'll be oh Don't don't take I said it on my on my last uh god award for the 18th year It's like, please don't take this franchise away from me. Just let me have this one Yeah, what I really really like I want this one to go on forever. I want egypt And I want it to be amazing You you go through it and you're like they do exist like egyptians and the and the mayans They both exist with proof with tears temple in that one So we can go there. We'll I'm pretty sure there's Japanese Chinese and Celtic too. So there's just Yeah, and they already Confirmed that tear was able to go through all these realms with that that omni stone or whatever it was called Well, I I mean It's funny you say that I'm pretty sure the developers are confirmed We're seconds from that being confirmed in universe that I'm pretty sure unfortunately The reality is they see it as like a planet and the you know, the greek stuff is like around the greece area and then The north stuff is like gadanavian countries or something as if that's apparently that's how it works. I was just like, oh, that's Don't make it work like that. Please. That's so dumb like yeah There should have been so much more crossover by now if that's how it works But apparently that's gonna be how they're gonna do it Yeah, I really want to see the gods that we didn't see die Or seen at all like Artemis for example Like I think she she already is in there as like a voice line You I think you get a weapon or a magic from her, right? Maybe Hmm Mixing anything up Uh, we started. What was your question like? Oh, I was just going for that. I want to see the gods that we didn't see die Who might have just been chilling out while everything was happening. Oh, yeah, there's plenty of them to to utilize for that Yeah, yeah, they could just come around. It's like you've I've been searching for you Like what the fuck happened like just Artemis comes back from a holiday and like greases and in ruin Yeah, the way I want is some form of dimension realm will whatever travel like it can't be as simple as like actually Because they're like he got on a boat and sailed over that got to a different mythology. He's like, no You gotta be part of that Sorry, um Yes, gotta be more we can say about god war three because it's fucking great. Uh I mean already mentioned that cronos just hates you now Uh for doing things to gaya even though gaya is apparently still alive So I don't know how he missed that because he must have fallen down right there where the hand was She must have right her hand must have fallen all the way down into Arterus Yeah, yeah, apparently so It feels odd, but fine Uh, I like that you I like that you that you fuck a faceless wife and then kill him. That's pretty badass. That was funny. Yeah Uh And the the kronos fight is absolutely insane kronos is a moron, but Spectacle wise, holy, spectacle is amazing. But kronos is like, I'm gonna hit you here. Uh, damn it. I missed and then You don't move at all. He's like, where did you go? You coward? I don't know. I'm at same place. What are you talking about? Any faults for the fucking he's had twice? Yeah, he keeps fucking that up Uh, it's really funny, but it's a really cool spectacle. I like it a lot Well, yeah, the way that you just Said you know how fast you cut open his stomach Maybe think the craters was like fucking sonic running inside on his on his stomach And then you then then you find his kidney stone right there that you need for a faceless Yeah, but I forgot the name of the stone You didn't know that that was the thing you needed, right? That wasn't that's where it was I mean Yeah, well, you didn't know where it was. You were just kind of fighting kronos and all of a sudden I was like, oh, shit There it is. Oh nice Yeah, this is the power you look how fucking fast he goes when he does that Yeah, it goes like Like yeah, here's my stone. You're like, oh, okay cool Yeah Poor kronos He's had a rough existence and you put him out of it Mm-hmm You have you have what you came for leave me Leave me Oh boy, did I skip over hercules? I couldn't have done Well, you just fell down with some Cestus so you must have I really love the hercules fight. It's my favorite after Hades Yeah, no, I think this is a good one I like the last bit of it where you where you have the gauntlets and you basically just beat each other up the whole time Like you both covered in blood like crazy Look at the hair is just getting drunk watching it as well. It's so funny. She's like, yeah, let's go Watch my son's fuck each other up Yeah, you're like both covered in blood and like grabbing each other and then you eat him into the spikes and just Oh, it's great. I love it. It's a really dirty fight like really dirty and gritty between two Great a warriors as I love it. I love it I love that aspect of the magical ship by the way that uh, you can do a full combo leaving you wide open to whatever it is Like an aoe attack or a big combo It's just start up one of your magic moves and you're immune to damage like, oh, thank fuck Yeah, and you do damage at the same time. It's a huge big old benefit Yeah, you do eventually fuck him up and you unlock the weapons in the game that are just That's so good. It's so good They stunned people and shit Oh, yeah, and then you bash Hercules face and like crazy And just bash him bash him like you put a dent in his skull. It's crazy Yeah, I'm probably just gonna let it play but uh this game Graphically was a jump from god of war 2 And uh, absolutely. That's why when they put in the the blood and titties now it's getting like, oh my god, this is like Getting their lads getting real close Yeah I imagine Ragnarok will look gorgeous, but it's probably not going to be like a shocking upgrade from 2018 One of my streams got age restricted midstream. That was fun because boobies No, wait, they're on I would boobies or I played the sex minigame too much. I don't know Because I did it three times the first time for the beam and for the orbs Look at the way you fucking the hags onto the edge there. It was like what? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that works Yeah, that's where that's where I found out that when your stream gets age restricted people can't send super chats anymore And I was very confused by that That doesn't make sense So the age restriction has nothing to do with super chats at least for what I understand It's just the add restriction Or people are like, hey the super chests don't work. I was like, wait, what why? And then I checked like yeah, they don't work and then I got curious and I Restarted the stream and then it worked again. I was like, oh, okay Yeah, I think he least definitely died from it Yeah, he's already dead there and then you punch him through the floor Yep, and you kill fastest you kill harrah Hermes is dead Then you do the whole pandora's box labyrinth thing And this is just strange like the whole Construction of the box the destruction of the judges in order to pull on the chain. Yeah, which All of that is in favor of just getting pandora to the flame, right? It looks like it you built the whole thing and then you just get it up destroy it completely Almost killing pandora in the meantime all to just get her up there Obviously the most hilarious realization is that Icarus was supposed to do all of this Oh, that's right. That's so funny Icarus was that weedy fucking loser with like the the wigs like what was he gonna do? Never gonna happen Uh Yeah, it's bizarre because I gotta be honest It feels a little bit unsatisfying when you do everything you do in this game The whole thing is just ram the fucking box through the floor. Everything's falling apart There's like right now I can go in the flame. You're like, oh, okay Well, there's someone Chad mentioned we skipped Hermes Yeah, he just runs away from you and then you beat him up and chop off his legs quite rough Chop off his legs Take his his shoes Uh Yeah I just want to make sure I I'm gonna play it as well because it's funny as fuck This is after your first fight with Zeus Oh, it's before this though and you're going for a yell again. I am indeed Missing this oh here it is It's that face Oh Yeah, because Zeus is like don't fail your family like you always do or whatever the fuck he's the He's a bum Zeus is a mean man Yeah And uh, yeah, I'm hoping in the Ragnarok playthrough that we get to have uh more references to Mamiir or tears knowledge of Zeus. That would be neat Yeah, I mean they all they all know know what he's been up to so Interesting to hear what what they What the Norse thought of that Yeah, um And by the way that this this is this is the end of the angry Kratos arc if you notice there like As much as the as much as Pandora is kind of cringy. Um, I agree. All right. It's fine. You got me. Yeah I totally I concede Kratos was trying to Save her here despite this being his goal because he's gonna kill He's gonna like beat Olympus with all of this plan. He was like, no, I don't want you to die He does actually this is this is him opting for now. Fuck you. I'm gonna beat up Zeus. Fuck Pandora um And I think you have to even though like said it's a little bit cringe. You have to kind of take this uh For a serious part of his development. This is the Like he did the same thing again. He lost someone he cared about because he was so fucking angry and he wanted vengeance and shit um Because I was distracted by this this this just this face like I just think it's funny But what's supposed to be happening here is he's so fucking pissed. He just lets it go and starts beating up Zeus Um, and of course kills Zeus And he gets the the the ending you often get in stories that tell this of you know revenge isn't isn't actually as satisfying as you think um That fight is pretty tough by the way this fight was tough in Gaia and Gaia's belly heart region Yes, they can fuck you up I felt like I got stuck on this for a while I did. Oh, yeah um Though I think it's I saw someone pointing out and it's kind of neat that As much as it's a little bit goofy but stabbing Zeus through into the Gaia's heart being that your Vengeance bringing you to a point of killing Zeus is fucking stabbing like the earth in its heart Yeah This is like yeah critters fucks up everything um Where are we? Ah, yeah, so this is the part we've probably talked about it's a story telling anyway. The uh, yeah They really wanted to push to you and got a more three the the reason everything is great is because of hope Hope is what we need guys. Hope will get us through and you're just like, okay I think if they had said that word once or twice may have been something but holy fuck. They said it like a million times and uh Kratos hope Get repeat in that fucking cutscene of here say Hope is what we need Kratos. Hope is like the sun as someone just pointed out. Yeah Yeah, and and then a theater is like wait, how did you do this? Did you have some kind of amazing weapon? Did you have what is this? What is and he's like hope what did you get your hope from and then it plays the cutscene again? You're just like hey, uh, stop it And yeah, um, they make us releases hope to the world or something Well, I was gonna say they recontextualize The three games in that in when pandora's box was completed and zoos are evil into it Athena put good stuff into it too Now presumably that was that hope Or was that just Athena's powers or something? Well, I don't know. She seems confused. It's like hey, I know you have the weapon. I put it in there. Yeah And then it's like the whole hope thing So I don't know what she's confused about and you used something to beat aries And she thought originally that you'd used like the dark power or whatever Then she was like no the dark power actually went to the gods And that's what made them assholes in god of war two and three Where they weren't in one Which is like an attempt to try and make the games make a little bit more sense But you still have a bunch of things that don't make sense To run with that especially because god of war two already had its own rationale for why the gods hated you and god of war two But I guess this is trying to explain why zoos is such a twat the And then she's like, you know So give it back And then and then she realizes like you've had it the whole time or at least since god of war one And then she's like, okay, we'll give it back and then he stabs himself Which releases hope quote unquote into the entire world You think like that? Yeah, I think that's what they want to go for and then a theta like laughable is like hey They don't know what to do with that Give it back I thought that was funny like they don't want to do with hope. They're useless But the the awkward thing about it all is that it seems to be that athena decided at some point She's chill with all the gods dying if it means she can take over Yeah, which is interesting And you wonder whatever happened to her why can't it happen to the other gods, you know becoming spirit mode or whatever Well, I guess the zoos kind of went into spirit mode there, but not really kill him saying, okay So, yeah, um, very much this game just feels like it's like vengeance is bad. Hope is good like, okay Fine and think that's what we're going for but all right and then yeah, uh, kratos Rolls off the edge of the cliff and we're like, oh, where did he go on the gun? Yeah, he stabs himself with the blade of olympus You know, it's like you dick Because yeah, this is the world now Yeah, it's not looking great So that's a bit no no Could use some work Yeah, that's what zoos says right before you kill him too. He's like I have much work to do after I kill you Which is funny because it's like every fight we have I win unless you trick me so Kind of suck zoos, that's gonna be honest um But yeah, uh got all three Story It's kind of bad again One two add three the stories are just not not great, but they facilitate the experience Of playing as a man who runs around killing everything and as the games progress to get smoother Mechanically, they just they just keep getting upgrades. They keep figuring out what players find annoying and they keep trying to reduce On those experiences while increasing the ones people really like and the difficult challenges and stuff Uh while cycling you through interesting lands and I mean, hey, this this was the big one because it's like We just killed all of them at this point like all the famous gods from the greek pantheon Not all of them, but a lot of them As james's points are apparently canonically when when he stabs himself the blade pours all the god powers into kratos apparently that is A thing that that's canon when you say all the god powers. What are we referring to? The the the powers I guess the powers you put in the blade and two they go back in Now, okay, you know, apparently the blade stops glowing after you stab yourself I mean it makes some sense in the Yeah, you have a tons of power in 2018. So you must have it from I mean you are god, right? You are pretty much full because you dammy god in god of war one Then you're full god in god of war two What are you once you have your god powers stripped from you in god of war two? Are you still god? Or are you not god? I'm not entirely But yes god of war three Mechanically, I'm like happy to settle on like nine to ten out of ten. I just I wouldn't change much of anything about it Yeah, story make the make the grabs better and then you then you get full points Yeah, the grabs are like the only thing that I was having issues with And I don't know why they're not more generous with them to the point of if you hit circle within Like a meter In game meter of anyone with the circle above their head that should just count Yeah, yeah, I don't see why you wouldn't players have enough trouble to deal with some other stuff, you know Uh, I hear dmc is considered the better uh hack and slash if if Action game if they're in that genre, but I just uh for what this game is I've always I enjoy god of war better I do love dmc It has much more depth and depth in the combat for sure Much more weapons much more variety Uh, I would agree with that Um, yeah, and it's it's a lot so harder to master uh Because that's like one of those games where people just go for like those triple s ranks all the time and stuff And uh, yeah, I'm looking at my uh, my plays playlists. Oh, yes. That's where I took the Sort of break to play scorn Oh, yeah, that was a fucking waste of our time That could have been a god of war stream dab you Yeah, well god scorn. Yeah god of war three happened and and that was it I even remember thinking I was like, what a great series. That was fun. Cool. That was that was fun now And then yeah, like we mentioned the ascension stuff happened. I was like, and then I remember the it was one of those You know playstation so many things and then the god of war trailer and it was like, what the fuck is this? Oh god It was like nor since like what wait how what what is happening? What is going? What is this the then? Yeah, the game came out. What's kind of funny is um I played this when it came out in 2018 did a full playthrough and then I did again recently And it was funny. Some people in chat were familiar with some of the stuff I did on that playthrough and they were comparing uh In terms of like I had like a very different run For both of them in terms of what armors and what weapons and what runes I chose Well for one we didn't use the laser on our left I didn't even remember if I picked it up. Um That's the I had it. I just never used it one thing. I'm really going to try Uh in rag naraki is actually experimenting instead of I have a serious problem with some games I play where as soon as I really like a thing. I'm like, no, I'm just using this Yeah, I know what you mean God of war isn't as interested in being complex and engaging for an extremely long time on gameplay alone It is more interested in spectacle than pure combat depth Um, I wouldn't disagree with that god of war is not trying to run for a very Certainly by the time you hit the 2018 era the of god of war, it's um It's what it really wants to tell a story and it has mechanics in it Used to be that it was a story just facilitated Characters and worlds to have combat take place in but now it feels like the focus is more so on the story as opposed to the mechanics, which Maybe something of a conversation for us to go through in terms of This was a bit of a switch up. They changed out of war It was uh, quite radical in terms of a format change. You don't get this that often in franchises But it happens here and there Yeah, um I'm not even sure where to begin. I mean this this game It hits you pretty hard pretty quick in terms of like wait, what the fuck everything's very uh, quiet deliberate and um I don't know Almost melancholic in a lot of ways and as a person who's just come off god of war three You'd be a little bit forgiven to be like what the hell's going on Um, what do you say how much time has passed is a thousand years Well, apparently canonically is a thousand years, but we There was some debates in my chat And I talked about it as well like I I I don't know how much sense that makes a thousand years Maybe like something it came to like a hundred fifty or something like a thousand years is a long time I don't know what the fuck kratos was doing this whole time It does make you think like what was he feeling that time? Yeah Anonically it was 30 seconds. I mean I don't know. Um, we'll see if they say anything else Yeah, it's just uh Thousand years is nothing to a god stop this nonsense when people say that about like elves Or gods or whatever. He's like, what do you mean? It's nothing all the most meaningful things that have happened in kratos's life took place in days and hours Yeah, the idea is like oh, I didn't fucking whatever it's thousand years. It's like no It's a long time lots of things will happen in a thousand years Um, and that's okay. It's just super curious to to to know if anything super significant did I don't know Yeah I forgot that's that's the armory you start with in this game Because I played you game plus I had like cindy's big boy armor on like it was fully decked out Which was kind of funny when you get to the blade scene because in the scene I already had them on my back Go get them Well, and since we're talking about this one now, you can just may as well ask the question What is your favorite god of war game metal this one? Yes, this one's well for me as well. I adore this game As do I and I can't really empathize that much with the people who hate this game I just don't I really I really can't I can't I do prefer the combat of the older ones I just find them more fun Uh, that's the only thing that I can that I always say. Yeah But I fucking love this game And I'll say it again. It's I played it again. There's no other game that makes me happy when I play it It's my it is legit my favorite game It is it makes me very happy when I play it as well. Uh Yeah, I've lost to uh celebrate and congratulate about it. Um in lots of his aspects, but You know, there's there's I know people want us to cover like he's like Could you watch the the mathematosis video or like an efap or the there's a video that's like The god of war 2018 is terrible. Um I remember one of the main arguments being like the whole game is stupid because it only happens because kratos just doesn't tell His kid that he's a god And it's like, yeah But like yeah, there's a reason for that. It's in the game You learn that when you play it It's a very very big point of the game Which makes the trails even sick because it doesn't know his true roots Yeah, which is a strange mechanic, but I mean whatever it's a fantasy world. They make it clear Um You know and and this is the thing I uh More than happy to talk through with playing people about all the different flaws this game has but like oh my god The especially getting a refresh on it the writing man. I don't know what happened between three and four It's like all of a sudden like, you know, we're gonna do an actual story this time But yeah, because uh, it was funny because bringing his plays in a lot of the writing and stuff And I was like, dude, you haven't even met memia yet Like he's uh, love me mere Just listen to memia talk forever about anything. Yeah And um, then the interactions between the three of them like this is going to be one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to ragnarok just listening to the fucking characters talk You must be doing something right if I'm not even talking about like You know how much I want to see particular story beats or mechanics I'm like, I'm just really excited that a character will be talking in the middle of like walking around Is um It's been gone over right but the the dynamic of the stoic silent type the wide-eyed adventurous happy wholesome type And the cynical jokey snarky witty type like this those three put together And then you have different events to to spin on different different things and rock and cindy acting as Uh Sort of pacing helping Bounces while while they're the ones that are facilitating upgrades and armors and weapons and stuff is just like they yeah It feels like much more of a marriage for the uh mechanical and story progression in in 2018 as well as just yeah dramatic improvement for writing quality, which Uh, I never would have thought we'd gotten to the point where um You know all those events we just went through and god will one two and three I like recontextualized in this game as uh nostalgic and incredibly heartfelt and meaningful at the point of Creating some of my favorite moments in games But um somehow they managed to pull it off Yeah, it's it's a wild to think about It's definitely not a thing you would have expected after playing the other ones And then you have this this one one shot camera basically throughout the game uh is Yeah, just The characters talk like people to each other. It's all very well written for the most part Uh Christopher judge as craters is fucking awesome. His voice is so good Yeah, he's uh his performance is exceptional Did I just catch you know, do you say you hate this game? Holy shit. I didn't know that I'll beat you up Theo I was gonna beat you up. You gotta run get you yeah It is uh, it is interesting. This is like I said this game inspires a lot of hate from a lot of people I just never quite cracked as to exactly how or why I didn't see Theo say that Oh, I don't know. I might have misread it. So I asked him I didn't use the oh, no, he said I don't like this game at all. Oh, no, Theo Why did you do this to us? I just very much dislike it. Damn. We should talk about that sometime the I don't know It might well, do you how do you feel about the other godwall game? So maybe there's a Relative understanding here that's going on. Yeah, we hate them all Someone just says Theo needs a wedgie Leave Theo alone. I'll beat Theo run. They're wedging you Um, I can fast forward to The mechanical changes now the big thing is gonna be the uh There's less combo depth and more restriction in camera Yeah, and were they restricted enough to destroy it? Or not and um, I don't know the mechanics are totally fine for me I think they pretty much they come close to nailing the capacity at which they operate out there Not as complex or able to be varied as the originals as far as I'm concerned, but they they're not that And I feel like I don't know. There's a more of an obsession with the comparison as opposed to trying to Appreciate this game for what it did or what it is. Yeah, I I get where people are coming from uh If you really like the spectacle fighting and the more hack and slash kind of dealio Uh, you're definitely not going to be served here for the most part. There's like some some some sections where you You kind of smash through a lot of smaller enemies um Because I I think the DMC Now I say DMC, uh, they've got a war one two three. It's probably the ones I prefer for fun for sure But I don't think this combat is bad like at all. It's perfectly functional Uh, it has some variety. You can fuck around with the things Uh, you have to hold stand system that you that I actually needed a bit to properly learn Because actually that that's like one of the things I don't like in the stand system I think it takes a bit too long to change these stances It feels unnatural sometimes like you completely stop for a second And wait for creators to go back with the axe and then you can do it again, right? um Yeah, I like it. It's not my favorite combat Ever but I think it it does well Well by the time I unlocked everything, I was just I was thoroughly enjoying using it so You know like arguments of it being boring or shallow. I just don't do much for me But actually because this is the thing I I thought it was like Buried enough without even cracking the stance changes, but I'm going to try and make use of them as well and Resumably if they show up, right or wrong I really needed them and you again plus because enemies they hit hard and they could tank quite a few chunks and the The stance moves that they Della significant significant Amount more damage Than normal attacks The runic attacks not included, of course, they they absolutely Wrecked shit. I like 300 runic at the end of my playthrough Mula be sounding like a tlj defender But this is good though Yeah I'd be uh, I'd be surprised if someone was going to try and argue this game is actually badly designed or something Good luck because um, I actually think it does function Uh Really consistently for what it's trying to pull off. I don't see how what kind of framing you'd have for the argument I know that there's ones that say like the camera is just too narrow and so it's going to cost you your ability to Be able to see attacks coming from behind you into plan and stuff But the the reality is the so many people managed to get through this game without that being a problem So what is happening because it doesn't seem to describe reality does it? Like well, yeah, the fact is like only a handful of sections where would would have liked the camera to be a bit farther off but that was when I was like positioned against a wall or something Uh Or that's something with the camera where I couldn't move it properly But for the most part you could you can see those indicators, you know when something's attacking from side just starts blinking red so you can just Yeah, and they're surprisingly accurate in the callouts from atreus and mimia like if you listen to them they Gives you the behind to the left to the right Like yeah, that's actually I quite quite like that. It's pretty fun because mimia is looking Behind you at all times when when you're just walking around So it's like look out behind you and you're just like oh shit. Okay Yeah, and then the indicators are something that I made use of So like there's the thing it every once in a while I'll get hit and I'll just be like oh what Like I I was never gonna know that that was happening sort of thing, but uh Yeah, um That's a fallacy most people didn't mind who's your criticism even legit. That's not what I said Said um the camera is as such that you'll be attacked without being able to account for it And then I said but then if that reality doesn't actually map on to people's experiences Then you must be inaccurate in some way about the assessment Uh because this is the thing I was trying to point out about ukulele back in the day when people were saying like camera Just doesn't fucking work. It's cool. It's just like okay, so majority like 95 percent of the time people aren't even noticing the camera Uh being non-functional And then that's that's a ratio that actually matches a lot of games of its kind So just like what the hell's going on like this does this make sense? And it's the same thing for this game Um, I think it's happening because getting compared directly with something like gottable 3 which well enough when I was playing 1 2 and 3 1 I think more so than the 2 and 3 had this problem of some of the the camera choices they had This is the thing when you have cameras controlled by you um It means that uh, you're gonna be putting in directions that mean you don't get to see certain things you need to see But then it's like okay, so then we have it get controlled by the game Like yeah, but what if the game puts it in a place that Like you don't want it to be looking at the time like these are like the frozen cons of each Uh approach in gottable 1 there was a couple of times it's hard to remember exactly when but One of them was like a series of platforms I went forward on And the camera was fine when I went back on it the camera didn't flip around It was the same position so I had to jump toward the camera on the platforms Which is one of the most awkward and like impossibly difficult things to see in an account for and it's just like well That's just a fucking camera issue, isn't it? um Sometimes it would be like an arena shot But the enemies would get squeezed out just to the sides and they actually go past the the view of the camera And so then I have to like wait for them to come back onto the camera before I can even see them Um, but then by the time you hit gottable 3, I think they'd eye ended out almost perfectly And I imagine that's something that they're trying to do with this game as well because the Gottable 3 gets the benefit of two games before it testing out all the same formulas sort of thing getting feedback each time By uh, I find it I'll be curious to see what kind of differences and improvements there are for ragnarok considering I think ragnarok would have been built on top of this game Yeah, I would I would think so. Um, I've never been that compelled by the mechanical arguments uh But I would have preferred more This is the thing this is this is where I I guess I agree, but I I don't categorize it as harshly I would have preferred more complexity in the um options for attacks and The enemy more enemy variety. There's like the but the thing is I would always want that more in everything pretty much There's never a time where you're like, I wish there were there were less enemy types um, yeah, no That would be weird Yeah, yeah, I noticed too it was like you just you kind of start to keep attacking with the same moves a lot And it was definitely more in in the first ones. You had a bunch more combinations you could do Uh, I think the stands Always goes to the same attack no matter where you change the stands So if you do r1 r1 r1 Wait r1. You're the same one as if you would just do r1 wait r1 Because I'm pretty sure in the other ones you had like different kind of moves you did So it would have been Would have been nice to have a bit more Variety I noticed that greatly this playthrough because I used the stances for the first time properly and I was like, oh I it doesn't even matter when I change the stance. It's just does the same one Unless you do r1 or r2 your ignorance of the larger action game genre doesn't make the arguments invalid mohler Good thing. That's not my argument and I've not mentioned anything about other action games A lot a lot of bitterness in chat, right guys you gotta you gotta calm down You're gonna have to listen to me and mel be very kind to this game because we like it quite a bit I'm so sorry Very much so the funny thing is like dmc was mentioned only positively like Yeah, I love dmc. What are you mad about? You'll be fine. Don't worry. We could be nice to this game and we can be nice to dmc. Watch me do it Do it right now. I even played dmc and I think it's good. How about that? I actually probably play through I want to play through all of them Uh in the next year do a little streaming marathon thingy where I play for them again. It's been a while I want to do like a run through of them at some point. I'll probably ask the year which ones I'm supposed to avoid two Oh, does everyone hate two Two is even I remembered from back in the day. It's like that was a very weird game and didn't feel like dmc too Like devil bit cry That was a that was a special one But I probably played when I go for all of them because you know the completionists inside of me But yes, this is uh mold is love the goal of chat again because of a few dudes No, I just I just lump all of chat all the time with everything So don't worry about it. There's some some people in chat saying some normal things as well Don't worry if it doesn't apply to you. It's not you I love you chat. I'm pat you on the head good job Go for it. I like you if you follow me chat on twitter Yeah, that's the main platform Yeah, I do all my streams from twitter now Um So this is a what they call a a wolf and cub story. I think that's that's the archetype or the genre where you have adult character who is often The the teacher advisor slash they're missing a part of them. That's kind of They're missing the funner parts of life and then the younger character who's white I doesn't know what's going on with the world but simultaneously provides that that balance or something And they learn, you know last of us is what everyone was comparing this game to when it came out Which I think is pretty funny because the last of us mechanics are so much fucking worse like It's not even close And that's another thing people call this game like a walking simulator. It's just like god. We've like discussion on games is cringe Get get bad. Do you walk in this game? Yes, uh walking simulator Well, because like you'll be holding the log and you're walking at the beginning And I remember people in chat were like, oh my god, like the mechanics. Am I right? It's like god calm down Jesus christ It's not gonna kill you. I've had this discussion with Fringy as well Like um When they have parts of the game where you can only hold forward on the analog stick and you're at like reduced speed I'm fine with the idea of cutting that out entirely and just making it automatic and you're just watching Yeah, just making it a cutscene making me push forward on the analog stick seems pointless But at the same time, I'm not gonna fucking write an essay about it. I don't care. Whatever Doesn't last that long and it's usually filled with dialogue Yeah Like if you're asking me to hold forward on the right like I I can I can do it I'll put I'll put up with it gonna Find a way somehow Yeah, anyway, that's the comparison that I'll forget me But this is one of my favorite ones of those because uh the development between kratos and atreus throughout the game is so very steadily like built Um, yeah piece by piece and you you can even miss portions of it by not going further than the uh the main story Yeah, that's it the I think it's I want to say when you close all the the tears Um Atreus is like, yeah, we did it like this is great And then kratos like gives him some of the biggest praise in like the whole game He's like did incredibly well. You've you've learned so much and still it's just like oh my god He doesn't usually say stuff like that Yeah, um, and yeah, and if you compare to the beginning of the game where you like barely talks to him want to These two developed quite well over the over the course of the whole game and um It's uh, as people put it's a father son story. It's a family story And know each other and uh, you got your big old past coming up in different bits and bobs and it's just uh It's really well performed well written and so it's very satisfying to see alongside Yeah When they have like the little moments There's like there's so many small things uh in in scenes as well Like in the beginning way Doesn't even want to really put put his hand on his shoulder or whatever and then at the end he just fully embraces him Calls him his son and not boy uh Yeah, uh, it's a bunch of things if you would go like the road with the With the comb comb This there's a lot of small things there you can find And Kratos is always like the the the the implementation of um This the fight with boulder like when boulder threatens to go and Get a trius. That's why because Kratos is like stuck in a wall That's when you you first they introduce Spartan rage into the actual game It's like what a what a really great decision To make a mechanic that's super useful and we want to have back triggered by a story event And it just tells you the as much as he's because the first impression you might get is Kratos doesn't care at all about Atreus, but it's like it comes very quick that he cares more about him than anything Yeah The Kratos is uh, how he expresses emotion is is very specific and this is gone over when you're in alfheim Uh, atreus is kind of running out of patience with Kratos because he doesn't He doesn't talk about the the mum that much. He's not expressing himself very much and he's just like, yeah I don't that's not how I do it Yeah Some top-notch Exchanges don't mistake my silence for a lack of grief boy. Yeah That's such a great scene because it puts him in this place and explains him. It's like, yeah, it's just not how I do it like Different people good stuff. It's really good stuff I mean, I just wanted because we're not going to talk about everything. So we'll probably just jump around and I mean the thing I want to talk about that makes sense And a lot of people want to talk about is the uh, the the the way that they crafted the the moment with good old blades Oh The thing is and this thing uh, we'll we'll highlight them as we go through in a sack But there are there are story criticisms, of course. I don't even know if you can You ever gonna get away with managing to make a game like this without There being something to say about at least power levels because there's always um Bloopy things going on but the the the main idea with the story is you you join up with kratos and he's got a son now and uh and a wife slash gf and uh, she just died and I guess the thrust of the drama there is like oh, he's gonna have to be the Single dad now and he doesn't seem to be very ready for that. Neither does the kid feel that comfortable with kratos It's like that's what we're joining him up as and They got a job of pouring the ashes out on the highest peak In uh all the realms and you assume it's like this top of this mountain, but it turns out to be yotenheim Yeah, which is very difficult to get to and you know, no lie. That's the whole game The game's story ends when you get to the top of peak of yorenheim just a lot of stuff happens in it's not along the way And yeah, one of the main pauses of drama is that fey is a Giant kratos is a god Thus atreus is a mortal god giant And uh, he's been lied to his whole life about what he actually is and it's caused conflict within him in a weird fantasy way that makes him very ill and um kratos is only made More aware of this during this story But uh this story is about how he's pushed to his limit on whether or not it's worth keeping that secret versus uh the health of of his son And eventually he cracks and tells him pretty much everything and it's it comes at a point as well after a lot in this game of kratos trying to teach atreus why you Do anything you necessarily do Um, which goes against a lot of what kratos did in the original games But uh, one of the the peak moments is and it's a decent chunk into the game is atreus is so ill he's dying And so kratos has got to get something from hell, which is a very cold place Uh, his frost axe will not cut it So he needs fiery weapons And uh, yeah, you know the blades of chaos haven't popped up for the whole game at this point uh so it was like a I just think it a really strong justification for why they would delay it turning up and um what it can mean for the story that They are the things that he considers to be like cursed fucking weapons that aries gave him that Killed the people he loved sort of thing and he's only ever used them for Anger chaos and destruction And now he's got to use them to save his new family is beautifully done storytelling wise and to have this moment Where he's uh, and yeah all the weather goes to shit whenever atreus is like super angry or ill is interesting Not sure what we're going to be concluding on that as it goes on as well Um, and yeah atreus gets The the worst damage done when he first activates his uh, his own spawn rage. Just as james kind of overloads He just kind of goes like pop That's when uh, uh, is modi I always mix up the two guys's name Because he goes like oh, I think I broke him yeah Mola how on earth, haven't you asked why does he have why does he still have the blades? Why wouldn't he have the blades? They're incredibly useful weapons Uh, the question we asked last time when when I got to the scene is why Why he would have the blades of chaos and that are not the blades of exile Yeah, no, that's a fair question We've got the I think the first well the first one's the blades of chaos. Then he got the blades chaos athena blades of athena the blades of olympus at one point at the end of god award one right Well, uh, the beginning of god award two one of them was called the blades of olympus. I think at some point Yeah, but yeah either way it's um Yeah, like the exile bonds that someone just said in chat That's those are the ones he froze away at the end of three And he kind of like drops all the weapons as well when he gets uh put up I'm Recall what conclusion we came to but it was kind of like it's probably more of the Maybe more recognizable for people when I say like the blades of chaos uh Instead of the blades of exile Or Maybe For some reason he got them back and those are the ones that he killed his Wife with and it's more It's narratively more fitting maybe even though it's kind of a question mark how he actually got them So to clarify they were called The name they've got in this game is from the first game is it? Yeah, yeah In that case I'm supposed to conclude I guess that When he swapped them out for the blades of athena or whatever he Old ones he just put in his pocket or whatever and yeah, and I think the the blades of athena They got Let me think I think they got turned into the blades of athena. So maybe They turned back or something. I don't know Yeah, that one's a little bit early in the novel the blades just magic back to him and really contrived ways Oh god, that's not even why even bother if you could yeah one other Yeah Yeah, no, I I think that's a fair thing to be curious about because Well, you had a thousand years, right? So you probably found a way to get them back. I don't know Yeah, but that's what what we were thinking. It was like, oh, yeah, that's actually a good point Like why is it the chaos ones? Chaos and athena completely separate weapons Excalice athena upgraded right right your idea Uh, so yeah, that's that's what I was thinking Uh, doesn't devalue the effect of the scene obviously, but it's just weird Because you would expect to be the blades of exile, you know, that's the last one you had Yeah, um getting them back and the way they Saw this all out. It just uh as was described. I think on All three of me and and free streams like man the respect they give in holy shit Uh-huh and some of the free brought up in his stream I didn't even remember necessarily, but I'm starting to feel like I do is He was saying he didn't understand how people at the time was saying that this game because he hadn't played it Further than a certain points. We didn't didn't have much to say on it But you remember there was a sentiment of how this game feels pretentious and embarrassed of its history and tries to avoid it He remembered reading that about what people were saying about this game. Now pretentious take is Pretentious is one thing. Um, I don't know like I don't know what to do with pretentious a lot of the time because it's such a I have beholder sort of situation in terms of What points like would one not describe god or three is pretentious in terms of what it said about hope Like I would have thought so Um, but at the same time like I'd be curious what would be considered Pretentious in this and whether or not I would necessarily agree I wouldn't know how much it uh fucks with the game or not But anyway being embarrassed about its history is like nah, I think this game loves its history They use it very well. It's like hinted throughout the game. I've been that's something I've been Saying since I first played this game And people who haven't played the original games before this have basically confirmed this to me. It's like They felt the scene was incredibly powerful Even though they had no idea about the backstory because they kind of hinted it that something was going on in this past and the way they portray Him getting the blades Showing Athena and it's like, oh that's going on. So that's probably character from the past and then him finishing up with Uh after Athena, I don't know in his brain. I guess says like Yeah, he will always be a monster and then he just walks for it's like, yeah, but I'm not your monster anymore It's like damn good shit No, they don't think they got to handle that better the yeah So strong because just the idea that Kratos doesn't believe he'll ever be able to move on from what he did Yeah, but he can at least put it to particular uses And that's exactly what's happening in this scene. The blades of chaos represent Everything horrible about his history, but he can use them to save Atreus I just realized because I was playing new game plus my blades look completely different as well They were like all shiny and stuff. Yeah, once you upgrade them they become I forgot how how beat up they were Originally, that's that's good stuff. And I think it gets like someone pointed out to me It gets Norse Engravings when you start upgrading it Which makes sense I love this shot as well Yeah And people were asking is like is Athena There or is it just in his head because to be fair she did exist as this form at one point at least in the end of God will three and it's like well I suppose that's up to the creators of the game, especially with Ragnarok. They can decide now, but I think you know This is him dealing with stuff Yeah, I think it works either way. Yeah. Yeah, well, you could be both At the same time even I don't I don't even know like there's a lot going on It's kind of like joker when people are talking about how much of that happened This is didn't happen in the movie. It's like at this point anything that really confirms It's going to be whatever the sequel ends up saying Yeah, yeah, for sure Um, there was a discussion I was curious what your thoughts were of uh, I remember people some people in my chat were like the big missed opportunity here was playing Uh, something from the original trilogy music and you fight these guys just so so when you get the blade to kill us What do you think? I I think the music is perfect. I really didn't like the music here The reason I think the it was an excellent choice to use the new theme is because of the fact that these are The old games being brought forward into the the new era so it deserves to play its own track sort of thing Like uh Yeah This is this is something that happens in a lot of what I consider the best of like media going forward is when they prove Themselves as in like this game had its own story. There was a almost separated from the originals In a sense. It's like we're not we're not going like look we have han solo Please like our new characters because he's there This was like we did everything we could with all the stuff we have and now we're going to bring in the blades of chaos And we're going to reference a lot more from those other games Yeah Hopefully you you know trust us to do it sort of thing. And so yeah, I think it makes much more sense to play The track the main theme of of of this game while you're doing this And um For any set as well and one of his recent playthroughs and I I pretty much agree It's kind of surprising how well they managed to implement the blades of chaos into this format of mechanics, you know That's true. Yeah, I don't think I know I even thought about that, but I think it works really well Did you upgrade it? Did you did you do like a heavy runic play in any of yours? Like uh, oh, yeah, I've used a lot of runic It's uh, I used both on the blades and the and the axe As soon as it started happening and I was like, holy shit What a great benefit is when you do like the third heavy attack I think on the blades when you have I think 200 runic plus it'll start like leaving a puddle of flames behind it that really fucks up enemies It's great. That's also one that leaves explosions small ones. It was like Yeah, yeah Which is another cool aspect of the combat that I imagine a lot of people didn't even Count or or or catch That depending on what build you have you'll get benefits in all of your weaponry Yeah, different pommels give you Some Abilities on your attacks like if like a moderate activation chance to get like a perk or something Oh, yeah, sorry the way I just said that sounded retarded Depending on your build it'll change like but it's like no what I mean. Sorry is that So you're like I want lots of runic to improve the damage of my runic attacks like simultaneously It'll give you bonuses on particular moves in the middle of combos depending on what thing you're upgrading It's just like, oh, that's cool. And it's it's all written. It's all there If you want to know what they are But they're the kind of things you can miss Mm-hmm. Um, and yeah, uh, I found this Yeah, so this is one thing I want to mention earlier about the You could add a bit more dynamism. I guess to the the thing. I'm surprised there was no Uh, move to switch in the middle of a combo between weapons You'd think that would be something they would want to put in like light light and then a particular button and a heavy And then you switch to the axe and do a heavy slam and then switch back to the blaze and do light light light or something That sounds like something they totally would have put in and I don't know if that's going to be in ragnarok But it just seems like a really natural thing to put into the game Yeah, that's something I actually Expect them to to do and just make the the changing of weapons smoother in general uh What else should we talk about for a new weapon new weapon would be cool like a completely new one I would I would very much do that in a for a third. They could Yeah Surprisingly chunky game Yeah, that game goes on for a while. I think my first play for was like 50 hours long or something Yeah, it's uh, it's really dependent on what kind of exploring you do because um you see Mr Mr. Fringy will likely have a smaller completion time than myself and metal But he's not I think you and I play games way more similarly than fringy does Fringy's got his own approach. Okay. Yeah, it's funny because when I was started my Play through this I was like, I'm just gonna go through it quickly and then just got distracted again. Just went everywhere I just yeah, I find exploring satisfying I like because you get so much good dialogue from the characters as well And you go around and you hear me your stories and everything That's what I meant to mention actually to the stream because they this is something that happened offline and I was kind of good but uh When you're fucking around enough after the story eventually, I'm assuming you call this as well But mamiya says there's something I need to tell you and Uh, Curtis is like, huh? And he's like when you guys went off to do the ashes um Freya visited me and Curtis is like what what what happened and he's like well, she asked me Uh for like advice or directions or whatever on how to get back her warrior spirit Basically, oh no, I didn't know that it's accounting for a bit of a plot hole. Of course being that freya can't Attack another god or something right? She that's why she lives in the happy place in the woods because she can't she can't Like attack anything. I think mimiya says this at one point in the campaign Oh, shit. Yeah, because I that's something I started talking was like she's gonna fight us probably But how is that gonna be she's probably gonna have to find a way to get back her Well, so ability to fight we also find out that she was the original valkyrie queen I think Yeah, I know that yeah odin took her wings and he made it so that she can't Attack anything that's living Um, and that's why I think if you relook at the final fight in the campaign She's just she's getting in the way with the the big. Yeah, that's what I said as well. Yeah Um, it's not really attacking you She's kind of rich strains you but she's not attacking you to kill And that's not her that's not that's not her intent anyway up until you kill bell. Yeah. Yeah And so I think the idea is yeah, she's trying to find What she needs to be able to travel through the realms and to be able to attack people again and judging from the trailers in ragnarok She was successful. Yeah Um But yeah, that's a really interesting piece of dialogue and it comes well after the story is done There's a couple I don't think I ever got that. I don't think I ever got that piece of dialogue Funnily enough. Oh, there was so many I didn't get on my first playthrough. I got on this one the amount of voice lines mimir Has is fucking nuts. I've probably still haven't heard all of them evidently Well, it's only enough on my first playthrough I'm pretty sure I got the one where craters does the the tortoise in the hair story and it's funny as hell his delivery of it It's so like basic and straightforward in terms of what point he wants to make Um, but I didn't get it all this this run through or if I did I must have missed it because like I I was even surprised when I thought about it. I was like, how did I miss that one? That sounds Yeah, I got that one in mine. I remember that one It's pretty funny because this is the when when he starts telling stories to a traos and traos like your shit Yeah, which makes the ending payoff great where he talks about oh, wow He actually talked about a good story. I missed it And mimir missed it but another favorite one is when mimir starts a story and it's because like this story starts in a in a In a sea of blood and craters says ah finally a story worth hearing I think I heard that that was good Yeah, it's great There's also the uh, when would be mia finishes a story Uh, I don't know what one it was or an expression something And mimir says like, you know lots to contemplate over and I think it you know, it's like, mm-hmm. Yeah It's silent for a little bit and he goes Anyway, uh, that he goes to say that crows goes contemplate longer This is good shit like uh The is is uh, they have like lots of little backs and forths where it's just a little bit more Fun is being had between them even though because mimir seems to at first Be like he kind of placates whatever's happening because he's just happy to be out of the tree Yeah But eventually he does like overstep here and there where he can to just actually have interactions with uh With kratos and atreus It's nice that he was the one that was pointing out straight away when atreus goes on his little, uh evil boy arc But like I fucking hate that part Um, well, you know, we should probably talk about that then right? That's one of the criticisms Uh, the he goes too nuts too quickly Yeah, I think there's loads of variables attached that I think make it a lot more reasonable than any normal assessment of any normal character because he's not He's not normal All right, the the thing is What they were going for with that scene is when he when he figures out I was like, oh, you're a god by the way it's like, oh shit What they're going for is that he's probably want to Do all the things he just kind of got taught by Uh by kratos Where where where they where it just says like oh just Care about yourself care about you not the other ones. Fuck them But the way they do it with atreus is just such a 180 on his behavior Like I don't think I agree Uh I see I see a lot of the criticism for that and I just like when I was going through it Especially this time around there's there's a few references to atreus's nature Before that happens Um, the boy is pretty weak in his whole life This is uh, you got to remember not only revealing the truth does stuff to him in terms of what he's thinking about It does stuff to him physically Like telling him this will start to remove his sickness and start to make him actually stronger And then you've got the his he's very well read He knows what all the gods have done and can do one of the first questions he has is what powers do I have? When you build that troll for the first time in like the prologue in the game He fucking goes nuts And he's like Stabbing it over and over again. He's like you think I'm afraid of you to fuck you up like, uh he's got What uh a portion of him is kratos from the first three games And I'm pretty sure that's what they're arguing is that part of him is getting coaxed out and that's what kratos is trying to stop Yeah, that's that's the part I'm fine with I'm not fine with how he starts talking to like cindy and stuff all of a sudden because he likes them And then there's this one line where shit talks as mum and I don't I don't agree with that one at all. I don't think he would ever do that Um, I mean you could you could always chalk it up to he regrets that pretty instantly Especially when it's pointed out harshly by kratos and he is a kid um And he's drunk on power And again having physical changes as well like that's Arguably something he would have said that was not even something he would necessarily agree with but he's just um Testing his limits sort of thing. I don't know that It's it's hard to say it's out of character. I would say at that point because it's um, there's so many variables He's not a normal person Yeah, but I'm not I'm fine with that that they go that way. I just think it goes a bit too quickly It's like a flip that has been switched As soon as he figures that out. I understand what you're saying, but it is a flip that was switched Yeah, no because because what I would have probably done is like they they He learns that and then they he gets to kill like a stronger enemy that he's never done alone before With some circumstance then he can get like have things of grandeur or something Um, I the part that gives me pause for thought on this is the fact that Uh, it's the the physical stuff Mm-hmm. So this isn't something that we usually deal with when we're talking about like character writing that Someone is made ill because they're not told he's like he's like weak partially because of the fact that creators won't tell him he's strong um Yeah, so this is what I mean about the The flip was sweet the the switch was flipped. Sorry. Yeah I think I said it wrong because I think because you and everyone else who points that out is is close to On the money, but like that is what's happening in universe Mm-hmm. Um I think but but I wouldn't disagree the fact that I would prefer a smoother Rising and falling but the thing That restricted them clearly when they were making this was that they need to get that done relatively quickly so that the normal repeating dialogue for traitors can go back to normal Um, because if you remember they they change it for a moment instead of being like, you know Uh, oh, I gotta you know, like I'm not ready or shoot that one or one two You know, like all that they've got plenty of normal dialogue for that But when he's like angry at you and doing his little like I'm an awesome god person He says whatever when you ask him to shoot something he goes like whatever It starts shooting on his own as well um And Like like I think I pointed out in my playthrough They didn't record much for that section because he says he keeps saying that over and over like every time I'm like shoot this like whatever whatever whatever whatever Stop dude that is cringy stop um So, yeah, it seems like they wanted to get past that portion relatively quick, but um, yeah Him being mean to sin tree. I think I mean, I don't know. I didn't find it too that far out of it We we at that point have heard them complain about each other For a while and he's he thinks himself. He's convinced now that he's better than other people um, yeah This is the I think I would maybe go as far as saying that um the bubbly kind atreus you see for most of the game Isn't everything about him and his nature and it's kind of the same for kratos and you get to see Who atreus is ultimately in a couple of moments throughout the game? um Even to the point where atreus doesn't like seeing it when he sees it again in helheim if you remember He's like that's not me. I can't be me. It's like, yeah I think I'd be curious if ragnarok is going to give us a bit more context on what is going on with him. Um As a person because that you know, they didn't throw loki out for for no reason Like uh, we all associate loki as trickster god who's an asshole to a lot of people And it's like why would they make him loki if not to try and point out like Atreus has got a got a possible set of futures ahead of him and kratos is sort of Parentage will likely decide where he ends up Absolutely, yeah So, you know, it's uh, but I can totally understand why that would be one of the main criticism The other one of course is the mistletoe, uh, I think yeah that one I think we already talked a bit about that one. Yeah, it's on board that it's pretty weak the way they did it if uh, if ignoring the um The freya thing for a second. It's just like the the fact of it alone like There's this material. There's one material in the world that uh, boulder can be harmed by and you're like, okay and it's also just happens to be the material that uh Her syndry wants to provide a atreus arrows for and it's it's complete out of the blue. He's just like by the way Here's some mistletoe arrows. It's like uh-huh okay and then uh During actually no to think about it. Did you say it's like it doesn't even give you like a benefit in the game I don't think they deal more damage or anything. You just get like new green arrows. It's like okay. Okay. Thanks. I guess and then So he does that and then uh as as james just pointed out. Yeah syndry doesn't mention an improved version of those or to restock them ever again. He never even brings them up Like mistletoe arrows in general That's strange and then of course of all the times in the game you have mistletoe arrows for What like a like a like a in universe like a half hour an hour something like that And it happens to be the time where a bow strap Or a quiver strap. Sorry gets damaged. And so Kratos uses one of the arrows to fix it. It's like damn if that had happened at any other time Yeah, there's no mistletoe on that But then yeah to bring Freya back in She notices the arrows straight away. She recognizes it presumably from the color uh at first Is how else would she know and then Passes them into the fire and says never fucking uses demon shit. No boo and then um You have uh She doesn't see it in the in the quiver strap in the many times that she is very close to It's very bright green as well. So Yeah, it's hard to miss And but the other it's not just that it's also that if you are kratos and atreus and you trust freya Which they very much do at that point in the story and she tells you this stuff is bad juju throw it in the fire Boo. Yeah, it's like oh, I have some here. I don't want to get cursed here Kratos is the kind of person at that point and I would say even atreus they'd be like, oh, shit The the quiver strap has got some in it. We're gonna have to replace that with something else You're gonna totally do that but neither of them do it Um and neither of them seem to care to ask why Yeah, just kind of accepted. It's like, okay, I guess and of course they don't feel the need to ask Sindri about it. Why'd you give us cursed arrows, bro? you know like And then of course, uh, Sindri as was mentioned he he comments on the strap But that's about it Yeah, and uh him coming on the strap almost makes it worse because that would absolutely prompt them to be like Oh, yeah about that mistletoe stuff by the way And now I If anybody who doesn't have the context the whole reason we're bringing all this up is because it facilitates One of the biggest payoffs in the whole game, which is that boulder Is able to be hurt because of Mistletoe and I I believe in the original doors because I was I was watching some videos go over it the idea is that um When she cast this spell whatever the one thing she was getting vows from everything that they would never or can never harm boulder And that she didn't do it with mistletoe because she wouldn't have expected mistletoe to Ever be something this day. It's some weird like Okay, you know how it goes the dibs are just like why would this have happened this way? But um I I just think that there's a huge opportunity here to have it become a part of the plot line The memir has got a spell on him that prevents him from talking about what boulder you eventually figure out We find a way to release the spell He tells us it's mistletoe mistletoe is difficult to find for whatever reason And uh, you can send us to some part of whatever realm to find it and uh Yeah, I don't I don't know what we lose if that was the plot line Yeah, you know on top of some of the stuff because you can fit it in pretty easily on top of everything else we're doing Absolutely I came to the same conclusion on my last part through you could have easily just did it a different way that doesn't make it so dumb Uh pretty much the same things you said just That's good. Let's go to sydry give give us more and then sydry is like, yeah Well, that's we're the only ones you have to get them from limba sime and mistletoe mountain And scratch a giant ball sack and get them off or something Wait, someone said fey said an emotion. She knew mistletoe was needed Did fey have anything to do with all the mistletoe stuff? I thought that was just a coincidence. I didn't realize that she would you saying she would have asked sydry to give you mistletoe arrows or E I mean, that's not the impression I got well, I don't I He knew sydry personally. Well, yeah, I know that but I don't I don't think I think you're stretching it a little bit to have assumed that Have you got any references outside of she's his friend? Because I'm willing to believe it. I just I'm looking for a reference something on the mural All the way at the end so that there was just Part of the plan that they get that Well, stuff like that. I don't even you suggesting she knew that it would end up in his quiver strap and he'd be punched Because I don't know You knew the entire plot Well, see at that point then nothing we're dealing with like a rival or whatever where Everything makes sense because she knew everything was going to happen the exact way that it did or whatever just I don't buy stuff like that I don't buy stuff like that for the sake of I want to be able to praise the writing I don't want to be able to get into slosh where it's just like, oh, yes, everything happened because fey knew it would happen this way Like fuck that Is an unfortunate part of the writing that's all I have to say about that one. I wish it was I wish it were better But I love the way they handled the nostalgia I really enjoy the performances for everybody including boulder. By the way, he was a pretty strong bad guy How yes, I like the development with all the characters I like the how the relationships change be it with kratos and freya kratos and atreus memir and everybody and I really do hope that ragnarok is going to expand on pretty much all of it mechanically and story-wise Okay, we're allowed to be wrong. I'm way for a reference Give me one Um Didn't freya set up the whole journeys and she like prophetic. Oh, yeah No, I'm I'm fine with her giving guidance and stuff But the idea that she knew everything was going to happen down to every detail I think that fucks the story completely. You don't want that to be the truth like like down to literally Me doing this with the axe, you know Which by the way, I get style points for this. Did you do anything like this now? Anything that's cool? uh Probably I mean you fucked it up there. So that wasn't that cool. No, wait, wait, wait Oh, look at that. That should have worked Uh, oh wait, why am I looking at the stream? I have to watch together Yeah, but I try I try things like this because it's just It just invites you to do some trick shots Mamiya said boldest death happened a hundred years early. You're wrong chatter. Yeah, there you go That was that was a cool thing. I did all right 10 10 style points. Um, but yeah, I don't think Everything is um in stone in this universe either like I think things can move around There's a lot of people prophesying all kinds of things, but um, also Someone's just pointing out, you know every every ledge with yellow on it Apparently that's that's fey that did that and it's like No Yeah, that's kind of what they are implying because uh at the end you go like look this is mom's she's been here. It's like, uh but like He's telling me she went all over helheim And put a painted. Yeah, it's kind of weird. I don't believe this really weird It was all fey. Yeah, she did she went all over the fucking universe Painted yellow for all the places kratos could climb you kidding me I think you would have figured that out by himself Oh, I don't like that at all. I think that's cringe Yeah, I was more than happy for it to just be a coincidental part of all the architecture some of it's yellow And oh look that happens to be the stuff you can climb kratos. How great is that? I'm fine with the um the handprints and stuff But the idea that she went to all these realm She was like kratos might I need to open this chest for a thousand hacksilver at helheim My best put a fucking pathway Yeah, no help for your can man unless unless it's like 110% solid can and I would rather I would rather assume something else. I just I just find that Yeah face response before every yellow in the game every bit of yellow On the chests or everything the armor you get all of it um Yeah, let me see if I can find the end That's part of the reason I I adore this game What what what point the story is making overall I'm looking forward that's going to be Fringy's next stream He's likely going to hit the end of the game We'll see what he thinks but um, yeah, one of my favorite parts of anything that happens in this game is when he grabs boulder Yeah, right at the end it says Cycle has to end we must be better Yeah, the cycle ends here Fucking which is the same thing Zeus told him in the other god of wars At what point did he say that sorry I think at the end he tells kratos at some point the cycle ends now or something along those lines I'd have to back it out because I can't I can't remember but Uh, yeah, I just I feel the weight of the entire history of kratos behind that line like um Yeah, absolutely this man is so fucking tired of everything going to shit all the time Yeah, all right. There's even a comparison video on youtube the cycle ends here when zoos says it Oh, that's awesome. Yeah So I didn't just make that up good I said that was with much confidence on my last stream and now you made me Oh, I just I just literally had forgotten This is the thing there's so much to remember And there's a lot of care being given so there's a lot of stuff to yeah put together, but uh Oh, it's got a war two when he kills kratos. Okay good Yeah, I love the um Like like he even tries to almost tell boulder like believe me dude. I've done it. It doesn't work. Yeah It just doesn't fucking work Um, yeah, it's good stuff the tag team move with kratos and atreus. It's just epic Yeah, I love this final fight cool This this feels that that's the other thing about this fight. I can't understate like it It really feels like the culmination of the whole game mechanically and uh Really wise like having to be the boulder is only weak to one of your weapons at a time sort of thing It's like, ah, it's neat. You didn't have to do that But you did and it makes it feel like the leviathan axe and the blades of chaos are working together sort of thing He was really annoying with that on new game plus. He changed so much many times But yeah, it's uh, the fight is good. It's a good fight He was definitely It was definitely a challenge spike His fight because you can't melt him with a laser or any runic attack really Uh, he's he's a he's a tanky boy. Yeah But suitably, uh spectacular as well because of the the animated giant Yeah A rough time Um, oh, yeah, I'm bringing in your mungander to bite the giant like Yeah pretty cool young gander is just kind of fucked off after uh After this last scene. He's not in the lakes of nine anymore. I don't know where it went No, I'm curious what ragnarok is going to say about what's up with him. Yeah Because I think lengthwise it's looking to be similar to this game, right ragnarok Fucking hope so it was interesting to me. Um, if they've got nine realms accessible, I would have thought it'd be longer Mm-hmm, but I'm on board with as long as they want to make it Hell, yeah Because uh, yeah, there's a lot of illusions in this game to just a different like because tear is said to be dead in this game Um, but obviously from the trees Definitely alive I've got got bones to pick with you probably probably he probably knows more about kratos than most people Uh, I didn't even know that What now From that trailer I watched very little from the trailer. Oh, well, that's that's why I'm strictly only referencing things I thought you said you'd seen the trailer Well, I thought I did maybe I didn't uh, it doesn't matter. It's it's fine Well, it's one of the most interesting sort of buy-ins for the game I think the fact that tear is is around because he's um, I current we've talked about this but tear is the god of war for North or at least as close to it as you can get Yeah, and of course everyone everyone really liked him Uh, yeah, he's like the inverse of kratos, which by the way, I feel like they did a good job of that with boulder as well someone who um He's like the opposite of kratos and the kratos is like a ball of feelings basically like everything is impulse and he's been working Against that he's been trying to control that meanwhile boulder is a character who gets no feelings and It feels like he's living hell and wants everything like would do anything to feel something Um, yeah It's a cool dynamic to have and then tear of course being Almost an opposite of kratos in that he used all of his power and influence to try and Facilitate peace and it still failed And not only in norse like he he was like in all the realms He wasn't the mate but with the mayans or the egyptians. He was chilling out with them apparently So he he went around with the little stone you you go grab from the from the tower. No you No, you use this stone in the tower. Sorry Yeah, there's there's lots of dialogue potential Oh, yeah What else is there in god of war 2018? fun fun things I think they managed to contextualize the world pretty well Yeah, I think so um, I like it with tears temple and the lake of nine being sort of the the main Upworld and then just the the realms and I remember There's something that gets settled off But I just think it's really true the fact that we didn't go to asgard We didn't see odin and we didn't really see thor we see a glimpse of him Yeah, just all the way at the end To have done that In a game we are like kratos is going to the norse mythology. You're not going to see odin thor or Asgard it's like what the hell? Whoa, that's some restraint right there Yeah, this shows a lot of confidence on their part too Absolutely Just gets you excited to finally see these places I think it's a it's a pretty good strat too because we got so much information about thorn odin well before we met them And so it'll be enough for them to play with you get a lot of a lot of stories from emir What things he did it's going to be interesting to see maybe we get to hear like their viewpoint Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if odin said like how much do you think What you've been told is true sort of thing. Yeah because uh I get a feeling that there might not be all truths like a lot of exaggeration stuff And there's like reasons where it's because like the whole thing with odin was that he wants to be in control of his fate And that's why he wants to beat ragnarok I think in the original mythology or something and seems like they're going for a same-ish approach here Where he starts trying to have everything in on in his control So he doesn't die in ragnarok or something Uh, at least that's what's been told to me in chat. I don't know shit about norse pathology But that's the idea that I got from from a story Yeah, there's a lot of people who have at least even a vague familiarity with norse that are trying their best to sort of Guess at what the plan is going to be Well, what kind of endings we can expect Here's a question. Do you believe this will be the last god of war game ragnarok? No, I don't think so. This franchise is too big. I don't think they can I would be shocked. I would be shocked The idea that we've got god of war one two three Ascension chains of olympus ghost of spada 2018 ragnarok the idea that it's like we're gonna stop a ragger I was like why the hell would they do that that isn't at all Line-up, I think the only reason I could see to do it is if the story was to almost demand it like in terms of how it was written, but Yeah, I don't know why they would write it that way. I don't see why they wouldn't Uh, there's the one theory of like well, maybe kratos dies and atreus takes over and he goes to egypt and stuff And it's like I don't know I don't know what god of war is without kratos. Um, yeah You you probably want to call a different something I don't know a god of war story or something It will be weird. It will be very weird uh Because atreus is not the god of war. That's just it's just not him. He has a very different persona Child of war son of war boy of war. Yeah, this is like, uh Don't exactly know and that's where I'm uh, I'm quite happy to not know same for metal. I imagine Slowly maybe going through this without And at all where exactly it's gonna go Fun on the bun But yes, uh, obviously by the end of 2018 freya kind of hates you once you die Odin and thor uh, well thul's gonna want to kill you because what he did to his son slash An annoyance that you've been Odin will be very curious about. He probably wants to kill you as well But also they've been invested in getting at atreus. That's what this game is about actually wouldn't it like Alder was sent to retrieve him Yeah, we'll probably find out more about that too And then uh, yeah, one of the things I want to do is visit as god give me Yeah, um Those that's that's the That's the franchise up to now at least how we feel about it. Um, yeah fun been good Love overall great little experience. I'm very happy we've got a war is a from choice an ip Absolutely. I'm super happy to play whatever they got next Yeah, don't fuck me Don't fuck me. Okay Um So I'm gonna read whatever messages we got and then we'll probably wrap up because the game is out in seven minutes Oh good. I can't wait to not play it yet because I don't have it Oh, yeah, well, I think I'm gonna be going to sleep soon. So Be tomorrow afternoon. I'll start it up Yeah, maybe I'll probably test it out by then and make sure it's always it's gonna be Probably need to be careful tomorrow on twitter. Maybe I don't know I just want to say god of boys Oh, true. Yeah, I love how youtube has been putting ragnarok spoilers at the top My recommended all week because I watched your god of war streams and ragnarok trailers That's totally not infuriating at all. It's not even just that it'll just be the viral videos now This is the cool new thing right now. There'll be people who are getting ragnarok spoiled. You don't even know what god of war is Oh, yeah, but yeah, it does suck. That's youtube for you. Um I hope you remember me. I expect my baby boy in november and said that he might come early Well, we have a team halloween now. He was born Uh, the 27th of october at 3 16 am jack came into this world healthy and a cute bundle. That's excellent news Hey, congrats man. That sounds great. October babies are great. I did mention this He'll be uh, he'll be fine 100 percent gonna have a great life And um, yeah, very happy for you. Congratulations Whoever streams ragnarok first gets my fleams. I'm afraid you're gonna be seeing me metal and fringy streaming ragnarok though What's funny is fringy is gonna be streaming. I think the day ragnarok releases. He's gonna be streaming the end of 2018 Yeah, that was great. Everyone's like play ragnarok. It's no fool Yeah, I'll be I'll be on that asap Oh, man, it's it's probably gonna come come early tomorrow and it's gonna be lying here and I can't start playing I'm gonna have to look at it. It's like I want you to look at Uh, will you ever have a chat with under the mayo? He has a very contentious video on 2018 would be fun I'm not against the idea. I don't Haven't seen the video. That might be one of the ones I was referencing earlier. I'm not Hmm Not all gods are the same atreus. Norse gods are pretty gay greek gods turbo gay abrahamic gods more stone the gay away kind of Vibes the flash gets quote Good stuff Um the athena pc you aspire a gay so yeah God you have no idea how applicable that is to me these days right now Yeah, uh the death of the pc means the death of us all then prepare your death long man. Love you guys Hmm also a great quote Uh can't get past 2018 snooze fast gameplay, but I'm sure the cutscenes of ragnarok will be fun to watch on youtube love How they adapted the Norse lore though I this is like if people who find it snow worthy. I uh, I just know who you can do about it I can't relate. I don't know what to say fair enough. Yeah Whoever designed the spike room puzzle deserves a kick in the balls Uh, that's yeah god wall one. I still love god wall one, but the platform can be very frustrating. Hope ragnarok rocks Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah fully agreed Uh, have you seen matthew matthew's god wall 18 video? I did when it came out. I haven't seen it in a long time So I can't really say much about it, but Uh, I got nothing Always enjoy his opinion. He's uh very well delivered Game and like him a lot Kratos holds power of time itself and he chooses revenge instead of saving spotter or his family. Is that even in character? He's not an idiot This is the thing. I I don't think there's any way of writing your way around that. Um You you might be able to go like Kratos goes I'm gonna go back save my family and then the fates are like that's too far in the past You can't do that lol Like oh really? Okay But I mean they kind of wiped that out when he went and saved the titans from the war so Yeah, he could have he could have done it easily But he fell god. Maybe we'll go back in time and kill the gods when they're babies or whatever Oh, no make things easy for you. I don't know baby zoos I got so angry at the airy's fight. I ripped my pants I couldn't see that happening jam and Uh et anoying cyclone of chaos being interrupted Is that something that can happen and I'm trying to think because like what usually happens is it keeps going But you can take loads of damage and then die um What game can it be interrupted in? And if you mean interrupted in the form of death, I don't really mind that but I agree with you I find it annoying if it can be interrupted in general I remember thinking that cyclone of chaos didn't I don't think it did enough damage in uh 2018 Yeah, I didn't try it once and was like that's pretty bad. I was using it almost out of nostalgia I was uh, but like I eventually I was just like I can't keep using this. It's just not good enough. Yeah I used to grapple A bunch that dealt the fuck to the damage Uh max upgrade Thor hammer rasep to jesus hammer Okay, get off Zeus is fighting the titans now we can defeat him, but not in this time. Why the fuck not kratos That's actually a good point if kratos just fucking attacked zoos in tartar as he probably killed him Yeah And all the titans die anyway The titans have nothing to do with why kratos won in god war three. They had nothing to do in fact They only got in the way It was just it was just shite This is a very strange narrative Ooh find love in your city Oh my Kratos makes everyone his little clown boy. Yep, that is true I Never noticed this before but hades is drawing in souls into himself from the river sticks in his last phase I don't think I picked up. Well, that's cool. Why was that? Uh in his last phase souls are going into hades from the river sticks Oh into hades. Okay God that fight is so good Yeah Oh, yeah, so if anybody was wondering mechanically god war three is top dog I think out of the collection, but story. I don't even know why Anyone would need to say this but story it's god of war 2018. It's not even close It'd be interesting to see if ragnarok or 2018 are better the story Yeah, we're interesting A lot of people expecting ragnarok to be shitting that department. I'm very I'm just curious now to see what's gonna happen because It's a afraid of sequelitis. I think which is fair Yeah, yeah, I have that in the back of my brain as well, but I'm just I'm just gonna let it happen Mm-hmm Thor might not be the most controversial god in five Oh All right, what do you say controversial? Do you just mean like mean? Or I don't know from oh in terms of how they look trade it could be that. Yeah I prefer the ost and god of war three over god of war 2018 more memorable I adore them both I think I prefer 2018 actually I'm I'm I really like bear mcrary. He does some cool music and he did rings of power, but It feels like everyone's gotta mention that now like yes, he did rings of power. I'm sorry about that The friend of mine still likes the soundtrack because he's a big bear mcrary fan I'm too normally, but I found it found it to be fine In some parts the rings of power. I don't think I don't think it compares to what he's done before Righto's a new hope I don't think that's a thinner it might be chaos Oh blades of Athena versus plays of chaos. I'm guessing is what they're saying If you guys recall in the 90s, there was a Sam Remy produced syndicate series called Hercules the legendary journeys Kevin Sorbo played Hercules That's who voiced Hercules in god of war three Really? It's awesome. I didn't realize Kevin Sorbo did the voice of him in that game It's neat Uh, when you two doing the other god of war series hint hint Oh use of war Guess is what they're saying That's hilarious that they would ask. Oh Yeah, funny. You asked that today. Um literally today I was in my local town I was in a a tech shop That had old stuff in it and I was just curiously looking and I saw an xbox 360 I don't I don't have one of them anymore And I was like, there are some games I want to play on xbox 360. I'm pretty sure on on anything else I should probably grab it because it's cheap and and whatever I I wouldn't mind having one of all the consoles I used to have sort of thing. Maybe there's a collected thing And I looked at their game section and I scanned through all of them And I didn't really want any of them that either I could get on something else I just didn't want them in general except I saw god of war. Sorry gears of war one two and three I was like, hmm Maybe if I get all that set up me and mel could play them and co-op when he comes over Um, because I know that that's a way to because I'm not even sure how you do it on pc at this point Uh, so it's just really funny that you'd ask that question now of all times when that was floated today as a possibility. Yeah Yeah, and because and I said to you that just a couple of weeks back I talked about the games because someone asked me about them. It was like I would like to play them at some point Hey, it'll be fair on the burn Good stuff. There's like two of them on game pass. I think uh, I think it's gears five and another one some remaster. I think I don't know It's very fun watching fringy experience god of war 2018 Yeah, it is He's a very different run through compared to myself or even mel. It's fun watching people play games Yeah So my next stringy so ma do it coward He keeps saying like well around a time this year because you know it's the end of halloween I was like don't have to wait until fucking halloween to play it You can play whatever you want You're basted by the way As real someone mentioned that to be I think on my last stream or something uh The two times I've seen all of somo was one my own playthrough where I was sick and then I watched your playthrough because I was sick I don't know what that's going to do to you association likewise, but yeah Uh Paul bear McCreary from god of war 2018 ost to rings of power od st Well, then he went back over to ragnarok o ast, right? I'm assuming is he doing the music for that or is he not? Uh, I've for just assuming he is he is I assume he is Atreus truly surprised now. He's gonna have an annoying kid running around. I thought I would hate him No, he's one of the best companions ever As companions go I I really like having atreus there compared to a lot of people here Um Impatiently waiting for ragnarok launch so even happier to see this chatting was great watching the playthroughs cheers to you both Hope everyone enjoys the next chapter of the series. Yeah same. I I hope this is a bad That you enjoyed the playthroughs Metal in brackets coward refused to fight the valkyrie queen. Wow Time this time. Sorry didn't have time I didn't I had to coof and then I had to do a nine hour stream to get back on jameham shame ham I'm sorry. I did it before it's in the archives Go watch it There's a lot of salt at the valkyrie queen Moly you savage beast keep up the great work and invite me to efap sometime. She is mate Thank you and uh Who knows anything could happen There people are shaming you good Boy telling kratos his story is good in the end Oh, yeah. Yeah saying he told a good story Yeah And me me I missed it. That's like the best part Also, the blades were wrapped in his old cloth Yeah Yep, his uh his toga But of course we're good with that Here's one remaster. Gears four and gears five. I'll have online co-op on game pass. Okay Uh, once he finds put he's a god. He miss into his critters lessons as I'm a god. I'm better than everyone That's why you're so cold, right dad He um, he does talk a little bit about how he's misunderstood kratos a little bit like he's a god You can do whatever you want sort of thing There are consequences to killing a god Oh, I love that part so much mm-hmm Maybe freya should have simply acted interested in the arrows and pretended to want them and then offered to Trader arrows for them would have been subtle This this is a lot of things we could have done to fix it Uh, yeah, absolutely Could you believe uh, could y'all believe that the music composer for this game is the same who made the rings of power pyroclasm The rings of pyroclasm Um, yeah, I I don't I don't know It's it's strange because uh, I just really didn't feel affected by rings of powers tracks basically at all Yeah, so, um Yeah, I don't know it's just weird because like the The soundtrack in ragnarok was sorry in 2018 was very effective She painted in uh, helheim after she got there after dying So like she dies and goes there. It's like gotta do this shit quick Oh, nothing better to do back where he's are gone. So just chilling here. Anyway, I'll make some yellow lines Have a shot on moley your playthrough of all the games made me do the same as someone who never played the original I almost broke my control. Oh dear Sorry, I would have facilitated that but hopefully he had fun Yeah He repeats a lot of the lines that critter said nearly games. Is that a thing? Sorry There's a trace in that moment of the story say a couple of things that critters has said in other games because Uh, I don't know maybe He does There are consequences killing a god now. Excuse me while I kill boulder and cause ragnarok He doesn't want to kill boulder Doesn't want to mm-hmm That's him just walk away and he'll be fine Kratos dies and respawns. I have died before God that's so fucking stupid Rise the skywalker man. What a movie Hey mollo, where can I find links to your god of war 2018 streams? I didn't get any youtube notifications for any of them after three for some reason go to my youtube homepage Scroll all the way down to the bottom and you'll see the full playlist is there for all the gaming stuff Be able to crack on with any of them. No, no, I'm talking about the green ghost Wait a second Fox so about athena. I don't think that's athena. It might be chaos Is chaos a reference to like a particular person in greek mythology or even norse or I'm assuming maybe because Like I said, they might Develop that in ragnarok. It'd be that we find out what's going on there more so than what we were given Can't wait for god of war ragnarok in the meantime I've been reading a song of ice and fire halfway through clash of kings They bought the folio society versions pricey, but amazing. Well, hope you're enjoying them Cute one way to spend some time One to ten. Where does the entire story rank like across the entire series? Oh, that's like That's interesting. It's gonna knock it down quite a bit with the original trilogy Yeah, like It's annoying everybody by saying this like one two and three bad like the story is silly. Yeah and goofy very silly Um And then there are problems In in 2018 that go well beyond the stuff that we were talking about like just the the power level stuff is kind of annoying Yeah, you'll never know just how powerful any character really is be it in a cutscene or in game It's just never clear and you can die at any point depending on what the plot really wants Yeah And you have him having trouble opening some doors or something or getting overwhelmed by I mean cradle specifically getting overwhelmed by some random human guy Which is just like, I don't know. It's just kind of flick him away Well, do you remember uh, was it modi who um Like electrocutes kratos and keeps him stunned for like a good two minutes at one point It's uh, yeah, he gets out of it with rage. I think but it does kind of feel when he does that you're like, oh, that's something that can happen Oh Yeah, um, they get to play around a little bit with like contextually Like you try and headcanon some stuff. But yeah, I just think that there's a lot of plot like that that gets in the way but Overall if you were to ask me what does it average out for one two three four? I probably like I don't know man four But I even think I'm being generous at that point, but if we cut out the originals and just go with 2018 It's probably like It's because like the character work is excellent with some hiccups The plot has a decent chunk of issues, but also plenty of praise the will building is pretty solid And thematically it's it's rock solid I would say so Probably like a seven Yeah, I would go with a seven. Um But then like on personal fleams like I just I love the whole franchise To to a very high degree like like quite a bit I mean, I think I said at the beginning but to go to war is just straight up my favorite franchise Like every time I replay it. I just fucking love it every time real fun. It's real fun And uh, yeah, depending on how Ragnarok goes we might have an eFap episode for it. I don't know Oh, we want to do something for a forge as well. I don't know, but I don't know how to do that yet I don't know We used to have a super chat. Love you guys mubes. Are you playing Ragnarok tonight? friendly PSA dm Go w is easier and rag and can hug Different down from it, but not up to it. I'm not even sure that that is dm go Give me god of war is the the hardest difficulty in 2018 and apparently and if I understood it correctly you can change it down But not up I'm I'm gonna go for the one below that Yeah, I think I'll go for hard immediately It's how I'd like to approach all games. I'm happy to go above normal because me and mel are kind of kind of pro gamers Kind of I'm a gamer. I'm a gamer. We're not like some green plague doctory type person who is like Play on the pansy mode where we get to flutter around Look at the flowers and refuse to kill the crows. Look at the crows. I'm not gonna touch them. They're not evil. It's like We uh, yeah, we're we're doing that We want to want to be jumping into that hard mode. Okay, but you know, I'll be considering doing uh Give me god of war depending on how it goes at another time, you know boop boop boop boop But yeah, I'm not playing it tonight. No, I'll be playing it in theoretically like 16 hours or something like that At the end of god of war 2018 craters would have killed a god either way fey through inaction Or boulder via his snapped neck they I think they mean freya freya through inaction The craters trolley problems neck Well, yeah, because craters The cycle ends here and he's deciding that freya is More worth being alive than boulder. That's pretty much what his decision is there. Yeah He's you know, he's probably right, but the problem is that makes her a little bit mad about stuff as you do Um, anyway that that about that about does it mean me and now I'm gonna get out of here I need to go to sleep so that I have enough energy tomorrow Me too actually stream for you guys and play a video game. It's gonna be fun on the bun You're gonna be ahead of me because you're probably out streaming tomorrow. I can imagine Well, to be fair, I'm probably gonna go ham on streaming wednesday and thursday because they're the only days I got free this week Oh, okay, and then I got to wait until sunday until I can stream again. That's gonna be so sad I would have had all week, but then you were like, yeah, you want to do e-fab I gotta do friday night tights and e-fab Well, that sounds like a you problem the depressed one, okay