 This evening we have Jim Merrifield who has some letters after his name and that's what he's going to talk about tonight, so I'm going to let him explain those. But he is the Director of Information Governance, that's a hint for FileTrail Incorporated and he is the founder of the Information Governance Conference. So there's an even better hint to one of the letters. And Jim is going to speak to us about career paths for the next generation of records manager. And I'm going to turn this right over to Jim so we can get started. Okay, thanks so much Pat and thanks for the opportunity and thank you everyone for joining us. So Pat gave a quick introduction. I'm not going to spend too much time on this slide because I know I have an hour of your time. But yeah, I'm the Director of Information Governance at FileTrail. What that means is I assist global organizations on how to build Information Governance strategies and keep them up to speed with the latest technologies to manage information better. Co-founder of Information Governance Conference, it was actually inaugural year this year in Hartford in September. Pat was there, gave a wonderful presentation. We'll be continuing to do this conference each and every year in Hartford, in Connecticut. We had over 200 this year. I'm also involved with ARMA being their immediate past president. I co-author the ARMA IGP Prep and also an AEM education partner and we'll get into some of those certificate courses as we go along. So here's the million dollar question. Which certification should I choose? There's so many of them out there and I like this quote from Jeff Witte from ARMA International. Certifications can definitely establish credibility but the challenge is choosing the most relevant ones from among the most available can be quite a challenge. And I think the next slide illustrates that. It's really what I call the, and ARMA has actually used this term, the alphabet soup. And that's really what's out there right now. It's making it so difficult to distinguish one from the other, a certificate from a certification. And yes, there is a difference. But before we talk about some of those acronyms that you see on the slide, let's focus on what a certificate and certification are and how they are different. So really what's the difference between these two? Really this is a quick comparison chart with the certificate. Really for newcomers or experienced professionals, usually there's education programs behind it such as AIM International or ARMA and usually you can listen on your resume with no letters and it demonstrates knowledge of a course content at the end of a set period of time. Now certifications on the other hand are much more involved. Most require a pre-approval process. There is minimum requirements that must be met in order to be approved to sit for the certification examination, usually some education to go along with it. Usually complete an application, provide required documentation, then you ultimately pay a fee. That's not to say that certificates don't cost money, but usually certifications cost much more. And usually the submission gets reviewed by a standards committee who then informs you that you're eligible or ineligible to sit for the certification exam. So the thought behind certifications is that they're much more difficult to achieve and usually require additional financial investments and substantial preparation time. And there's also ongoing requirements for CEUs as well. So here's the certifications we're going to talk about today. I thought these were most relevant to the MARA program, the ICRM from the Institute of Certified Records Managers, the PMI Project Management Institute, CIP from AIM International and the CIPP from IAPP and last but not least the newest one is the IGP from AIM International, the Information Governance Professional. So this is not the end all of certifications, but again it's the ones that I felt was most beneficial for this audience. So the first one we're going to discuss is the Certified Information Professional from AIM International. So it's based and developed in accordance with the ISO Standard 17-024 which ensures conformity to accepted procedures for individual certification. So it is an ISO Standard certification which gives a level of standard for these types of certifications. What it does is demonstrate your ability to bridge IT and business. And to me that's important especially for Records Managers today because usually Records Managers are weak in the technology fields, they're weak in those skills. So this Certified Information Professional will help you keep your information management skills current and competitive and also keep up with the times and which is why you saw the CIP after my name, I felt it was important. So what's actually involved in the exam? So we're going to actually discuss this certification and how to test your knowledge in the following six domains. So first access and use. What that's going to talk about is things like enterprise search, business intelligence, master data management, text analytics. The capture and manage domain is going to talk about things like information capture, business process management, knowledge management, email management, and content management. Collaborate and deliver is going to talk about things like social media, the information workplace, how people are talking about, talking and collaborating in so many different mediums such as instant messaging, telecommuting support, web conferencing, you know, things like we're doing today with this broadcast, this is about web conference. Then there's secure and preserve which is the fourth domain which is going to talk about things like security, records management, data privacy, digital rights management, archiving, and e-discovery. And then architecture and systems is going to talk about information architectural, technical architecture, cloud computing, mobile applications, and website and portal. So it's going to get a little IT geeky so to speak, but it's a good test of your knowledge and it's really a high level overview of these domains. And then finally plan and implement. It's going to talk about topics like strategic planning, building a business case for solution design, implementation planning, requirements, definition, solution design, and change management which are skills that you're going to need no matter, you know, what you're going to do in your career. For me, the CIP has helped me as a solution provider to be able to talk effectively with CIOs at client sites. So now we've discussed, you know, what a CIP certification is, what the domains are. So the eligibility requirements. So there's no mandatory requirements at all, which means all of you on this call or on this presentation are eligible. So AIM recommends the candidates have a minimum of three years experience, increasing your responsibility in one of those topical areas listed there, library science, information technology, and then one more experience as well. And I would think that if you're enrolled in the MARA program, you definitely meet those requirements and then Pat can correct me if I'm wrong. And it's not necessary to be a member of AIM. So again, anybody can take this exam. So about the test, we talked about the domains, the eligibility. It costs $265 USD. If anybody, I will add to that. If anybody's interested in taking this exam, being a CIP, I can give you a discount code. I think it's about 20% from AIM. So let me know. You'll have, you know, two hours to take the exams, a hundred multiple choice. There's no essays. You have to score a 70 and you'll receive your score report in about a month. So it's pretty straightforward. Now there is maintenance to go along with the certification. You have to recertify every three years. One of the two methods, you can either just not do any CEUs throughout the three years, which why would you want to do that? But or you can take the test and submit 45 continuing education credits over three or a period. And the reason why you would do that is if you submit the 45 CEUs, your exam is free. If you do not submit 45 CEUs over that three-year period, you will have to pay for the exam every three years. And the reason why I think this is great that AIM requires you to retest every three years is because technology changes so much and the test will change. And the credit, you know, the study materials will change. I see that there's a question from Rebecca, how do we study for the test? The AIM site actually has a e-book that is very helpful. I think it's free to AIM members. But I can also contact you offline and send you a couple of links that will help you to study for the exam. If Pat will share your contacts with me, I'd be glad to help you. So we've talked about the CIP. Now we're going to talk about CIA, it's a Certified Document Imaging Architects. Now, CompTIA has been around for a long time. What it is, for those of you who are not familiar with it, it's an internationally recognized, credential acknowledging, competency and professionalism in the document imaging and records management industry. So with records management used to be focused on primarily paper, it's moving towards imaging and scanning electronic data. So this certification can definitely help you possess the critical knowledge of all the major areas of technology used to plan, design and specify an enterprise content management system, which all of you, I'm sure, work in each and every day. So here's the domains. There's five domains that are going to test your knowledge. And first is ECM. And what the ECM domain is going to explain the proper uses of an index, what an index is, what search is, what retrieval is. It's going to explain the functions used in a workflow pattern. It's going to explain how to use collaborative capabilities. It's going to compare and contrast document presentation and output features. And it's going to explain the purpose of content life cycles. So a really, again, a high level overview of an ECM. Capture is going to talk about selecting the appropriate input sources and methods, for example, mobile, fax, barcode, RFID. It's also going to talk about implementing document scanning technologies and processes. It's going to differentiate recognition methodologies and technologies. It's going to explain the purpose of metadata and file properties. Storage and networking is going to focus on things like various storage medium types and associated properties. It's going to compare and contrast various storage strategies, such as online, offline, onsite, offsite, things like that. It's going to explain the basics of network connectivity and hardware solutions. So you're not going to have to be an IT geek, so to speak. But you're going to have to understand high level network connectivity and hardware solutions. Security and compliance is going to explain the basics of records management. I don't think anybody on this call is going to have a problem with that. It's going to explain the different access security methods, various elements of network security, how to implement appropriate document information security, which is a hot topic today. We know information security, and we'll talk about that a little later in the CIPP certification. And then finally, analysis, design, implementation. It's going to talk about things like the basics of project management, how to execute appropriate requirement gathering techniques, how to analyze and collect data and validate client requirements, how to structure a solution design according to specified requirements, and apply implementation and testing procedures. And again, a lot of this information is on the websites at the end of the slides, at the last slide. So what's the eligibility requirements? Again, there are no eligibility requirements for this exam at all. Same as the CIP, but it's recommended that you have at least two years of relevant work experience. And about the test, it recommends that you have about two years of on-the-job experience in scanning or dealing with networks. The exam is about 100 questions. You're allowed 90 minutes. Passing score is $700 or $70, and the cost is $293, roughly $300 bucks. Now maintenance, there's no maintenance required for this CDIA plus imaging certification. And then again, I'm moving quickly through these certification slides because of time, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask me offline. So the next certification we're going to talk about is the CIPP. It is, it was founded by the IAPP or the International Association of Privacy Professionals. And the IAPP is the largest and most comprehensive global information privacy community and resource. It was founded in 2000, and the IAPP is a non-for-profit that helps define support and improve privacy, the privacy profession globally, and they're definitely busy in today's times. So when you earn a CIPP credential, we're going to focus on the U.S. credential. There is also five options with Canada, Europe, and the U.S. government. And I think there's an IT one that I didn't add on the slide. So let's talk about a couple of those of these domains. So there's five domains. An introduction to U.S. privacy environment. It's going to talk about the structure of U.S. law. Again, you don't have to be a lawyer to take this exam. It's going to talk about enforcement of U.S. privacy and security laws and theories behind those laws. It's going to talk about information management from the U.S. perspective. Second domain limits, the private sector collection and use of data. It's going to talk about things like cross-sector, FDIC, privacy protection, health care regulations, such as HIPAA, high-tech and GINA, financial regulations, such as Dodd-Frank and the FCRA and CFPB, education regulations, such as FERPA and the telecommunications and marketing regulations as well. The third domain, government and court access to the private sector information is going to discuss law enforcement and privacy, things like access to secured financial data. National security and privacy, talking about the USA, focusing on the Patriot Act. Civil litigation and privacy, talking about things like electronic discovery, which is definitely a hot topic today with spoiliation and it's not going to go away. The fourth domain about workplace privacy, you know, that's a big deal with PII. It's going to talk about an overview of workplace privacy concept and issues privacy before, during and after employment, so how that information is used throughout the life cycle of somebody's employment at a company. And finally, state privacy laws, fell over state marketing laws, financial data, data security laws, data breaches and the such. We know that there's been many data breaches today with companies like Target and Home Depot. I don't know if your credit cards were compromised, but it's definitely a hot topic and a certification to be considered. So eligibility requirements. The IAPP requires you to be a member prior to testing. And if you're going to go for the CIPP-US examination, you must take the certification foundation exam required for all first-time certification attendance. So what that certification foundation exam is, what it does is access the understanding of fundamental concepts of privacy and data protection. And it covers common privacy principles and approaches to global data protection models, information security controls, and online privacy protections. And these practices are relevant to all privacy professions regardless of legal jurisdiction, geographic location, or practice specialization. So they want you to have a foundation before embarking on these jurisdictional certification, whether in the U.S., Europe, or Canada, or the like. So the certification foundation exam is 90 questions. The cost, 275 bucks, scoring is scaled. CIPP-US is 60 multiple choice and it costs relatively the same and each question is worth one point. So, and again, the test is scaled. So there's no passing. I guess they must scale it against during that period of time with testing. Again, you can find more information on the link at the bottom of the slide. So maintenance, once you've earned your credential, it's good for, you must keep your IAP membership for one year. And you must, you know, or actually, correct me, you must be in good standing each year in order to remain a CIPP-US professional. And you must fulfill at least 10 hours of CPE or CEUs per year. So again, it's forcing you to keep up to date on the latest regulations, laws and regulations in the space of information security, which is definitely important. Next certification we're going to talk about is the Project Management Professional Certification. If you're a project manager in an organization, you definitely want this certification. I know from experience dealing with people who have gone for this, professionals who have gone for this certification and who are project managers or even consultants have definitely seen an increase in salary because of this, of attaining this, this certification. So let's talk briefly about the domains what you're going to learn throughout this journey of being a PMP from Project Management Institute. So initiating the project, you're going to be able to perform project assessments based upon available information and meetings with key stakeholders. I mean, really, who of us today is not a project manager? No matter what our title is, who of us had not dealt with a project or two or many or hundreds? You're going to find, you know, the scope of the project, perform key stakeholder analysis using brainstorming, interviewing and other data gathering techniques. You'll be able to develop a project charter and then be able to obtain approval for a project charter. So it's really going to give you the training you need to be a wonderful project management professional. And then, again, planning the project, it's going to teach you stuff, things like scheduling, budgeting, roles and responsibilities for stakeholders, how to present a project plan to key stakeholders for approval, so how to communicate effective with them, and also how to conduct a kickoff meeting. Executing the project, talk about things like managing project resources, tasks, approving changes to a product, mentoring and training team members, which is invaluable during any project or what have you. Monitoring and controlling the project, you'll be able to measure product performance using appropriate tools and techniques, manage change in scope, schedule costs by updating project plans and approving these changes. You'll be able to identify any new risks and response strategies and also communicate project status to stakeholders for feedback to make sure the project's lines of business needs. And that is so important in that last part because projects really can lose legs, so to speak, if it deters from that initial role. So number four, monitoring and controlling the project is definitely a key attribute to this certification. And then finally, closing the project, it'll teach you things like how to close final acceptance and share deliverables we're actually met, so the project was successful. You'll identify lessons learned and also measure customer satisfaction by asking for feedback. So very basic techniques and information for being a project management professional. So eligibility, the PMI requires a, there's actually two options, a secondary degree with at least five years, project management experience for 7,500 hours leading to 35 hours of project management education or four-year degree, three years experience and 4,500 hours leading to 35 hours of project management education. So in order to be eligible for this certification, you actually have to be dealing with projects today, which I think most, no matter what our, again, no matter what our titles are in our organizations, I would definitely bet that we qualify for this kind of certification. About the tests, it's 200 questions, multiple choice, again, there's no essays. You get four hours to complete it. You can take this test online, so you don't have to go to a pro-metric location, so you can take this in the privacy of your home. And there's, again, there's two fees, I don't know why the online cost is more expensive than the pro-metric cost, but those are the rules. Maintenance, a PMP credit holder will need to earn 60 PDUs per three years, so that's not too bad for maintenance, again, pretty self-explanatory. So the next certification, CRM, Certified Records Manager. If you're in the MARA program, you're either a CRM already, or you're going to pursue this certification. So I don't think I have to go into what this certification is as it demonstrates your ability to apply and convey your knowledge to other management clients and other constituents. And I don't know if there's anybody on the line right now that is a CRM. You know, feel free to type in the chat box or interject during the, as I'm going through these slides, because I am not a CRM. I see that Lisa is, that's great. So she could probably attest to a PADDIS as well. I should probably let them talk about these domains other than me, but I'll move through these quickly. There's management principles and records management, records and information management program. The first, what I've heard is that this first domain is very difficult, just because it is forcing you to be a real manager, to actually develop skills that, you know, cross-pass with human resources, financial considerations, creating internal policies and procedures, and also thinking globally about your RIM program. The records information and creation and use talk about things like creating records and information, risk assessment, information security, electronic communications, and the like, talk about RIM related business activities, correspondence management, forms management, mail management facilities, and repographics. Record systems and storage and retrieval is going to talk about things like physical and electronic file systems, file conversions, record storage facilities and operations. And, you know, stopping right here, as you can see, these, you know, we've probably, now that this is the, I think it's the fourth certification we're talking about, a lot of these certifications overlap in content. And then talking about records appraisal, retention, protection, disposition, talking about appraisal, archiving, business continuity, and disaster recovery planning, and then, you know, getting into the technology, talking about imaging technologies. We talked about that in the CDIA and the CIP, system architecture, life cycle, upgrading and decommissioning systems and the like. And then finally, what separates this certification from the other ones that we've mentioned is that there's actually a case study, which is a written exam based on fictional case studies to test the application or your knowledge of domain one through five. And so, it really forces you to put your knowledge into practice and to think like a records manager or a subject matter expert. And definitely, the case study is definitely the most difficult, as you can see in the comments. Now eligibility requirements, I think these requirements actually changed recently as well. You need a minimum. You don't need a minimum of, if you have a bachelor, I think you can have one year. And if you have a high school or a GED, they want you to have three years. And applicants must have at least one year of professional records and information management experience, and there's an application fee of $100. It costs $100 for each domain, so a total of $650 for the whole exam. Passing a score from the multiple choice is a 70, and you must pass parts one through five before being eligible to take part six. And you must take it at a person-view testing center. There is maintenance required as well. The maintenance cycle is five years. It requires you to have 100 contact hours approved by educational activity throughout the year, like we've talked about during that five-year period, which is definitely not difficult. Attending something like this could probably get UCRM credit attending a conference. I'm sure your, perhaps, your MARA graduate degree could probably give you CEUs as well. And finally, the last certification we're going to talk about before we get into the certificates is the Information Governance Professional Certification. It's really, this is the one that I actually went for just because, you know, the CIP and the IGPU was just more in line with my career goals, but it's nothing against the other ones. But the way I think the market is turning is people really need strategic thinkers being able to drive out costs and mitigate risk and then get value out of the information in organizations. And that's what this certification teaches you. Daniel Pat got this certification as well. She was actually one of the inaugural in that group, and Lisa as well. So, bravo to that. And these domains, again, there are six of them. Managing risk, information risk and compliance. So, it's understanding and mitigating information-related risk through activities such as researching and monitoring legal, regulatory, and industry-specific compliant requirements, creating and monitoring internal policies and procedures. The Information Governance Professional collaborates with key stakeholders to determine risk levels and designs, developing an IG strategic plan so it demonstrates an in-depth understanding of organizations' business goals, corporate culture, financial resources, and commitments. Yeah, I saw in the chat, there's definitely study materials. I can send some to you as well. There's also a PREP, an IGP PREP course as well through ARMA. I also have some reference materials as well. The fourth domain deals with determining, actually, the third, let me back up. The third domain, developing an IG framework, establishing parameters of organizations' information governance efforts, designing program communications and training and developing audit and enforcement mechanisms to ensure the IG program to be measured, controlled, and improved. And then, again, establishing the Information Governance Program, establishing IG business integration and oversight throughout the organization, and then aligning technology and IG framework. So partnering with IT leadership to understand the organization's technology landscape. So really forcing you to deal with other stakeholders other than records management and really widening out, so to speak, to assess threats in technology related to records management and information governance. So the eligibility requirements, you actually need a four-year degree or some kind of degree, a four-year degree or a secondary degree. If you have a four-year degree, they require a minimum of three years of management or leadership experience in one of those following fields. And the experience must be in direct oversight of staff. Or you can, you know, a secondary degree with six years experience. So the eligibility requirements are a little more strict than the other certifications mentioned. The test is 140 multiple-choice questions in about three hours. So you take the exam and the cost is 600 bucks. So it's a little higher than some of the other certifications we've talked about. And again, you can get more resources at that, the link on the slide. I'm sure they'll be available offline. Talking about maintenance, there's a three-year period. You're required 60 contact hours, which is comparable to the ICRM 100 hour. But what's unique about this certification is that it requires 10 hours in legal and 10 hours in IT. So again, it's forcing you to widen out into different spaces, into different industries. So that's it for certifications. Now what we're going to do is talk about some of the certificate courses. I know we only have about 20 minutes, so I will go through these very quickly. And certificate courses, they have a business project management certificate course where you'll learn how to map design and automate operational process using a combination of strategies, change management, and technologies. And before I go further, what these certificate courses will help you to do, we're going to talk about AIM, ARMA, and then Optismo. These certification courses, if you're not, if you don't like to read a ton of books, if you're like me, and you really like interactive and online self-paced training, these courses can help you improve on where you're weak in any number of the certifications that we've talked about. So the second one is enterprise content management. We talked about that already, so I won't go into great detail with that. IG, we talked about as well. Managing records and SharePoint, I've taken that certificate course. It definitely helped me with a SharePoint project, Taxonomy and Metadata. I also took that one as well, helping you define a classification structure and SharePoint or another ECM solution, and then electronic records management. I took that one as well, where you'll learn best practices and technologies for capturing and managing electronic records. So again, that was very quick. If you have any questions, please let me know. ARMA also has their own certificate courses. I'm going to focus on one of the new ones is, actually one of the new ones is essential of information governance, so that one might help you, will definitely help you develop your skills as an IGP. So ARMA actually recommends that information governance certificate course to help you study for the IGP and the essentials of RIM certificate course and the essentials of generally accept the record keeping principles is recommended if you are going for your CRM. Now the other unique certificate course on this, which I like as well, is a professional leadership certificate, which is offered free to all ARMA leaders, ARMA board members throughout the world for free, but you can also purchase it at a cost. And some of the things that leadership certificate talks about is how to communicate more effectively, effective coaching for leaders, strategies for motivating your team, keys to successful negotiation and conflict, resolution and how to improve your time management skills. So really developing yourself as a public speaker and an influencer in your organization, because really the fact of the matter is, no matter how many certifications you have, if you can't communicate to your C-level or, you know, effectively to your end users, no certification is going to teach you how to do that. So that certificate course can definitely help you in those leadership areas of weakness. And then I kind of added this just because I'm actually, I'm Tismo's the holding company for the Information Governance Conference. So we actually developed our own courses. You can see on there we talked about the CIP certification. If you're looking for a prep course, we actually offer that to help you take that exam and pass it. And again, with the, if you take the prep course, you get a discount off the exam. We also have a communication and public speaking course, which focuses on developing a skill set of a traditional records manager or professional and, you know, helping you to be able to communicate clearly and speak with conviction, it kind of goes hand in hand with, hand in hand with the leadership course. And also there's two SharePoint courses, one focus on Information Management Fundamentals, which is a very basic course. You can actually go on the website and take that online. I think the entire course can take you about two hours and I think it's like 100 bucks. And the IG records management and SharePoint course goes in a little more detail, talking about, you know, 2010, 2013, Office 365, and third-party add-ons like FileTrail and how it can help your organization utilize SharePoint to its full capabilities. And you do not need to be a SharePoint expert to attend any of these courses. Although, experts are welcome too. And there's also an Information Governance course, which, hold on, let me back up. I see there's a question, what is SharePoint? That might be a topic for another day. I'm definitely hoping that this, it's a joke, but it's okay. It's definitely in a nutshell. SharePoint is a very scary product. So, you know what, if you don't know what SharePoint is, don't worry about it because if your organization is not using it, that's okay, you're probably better off. The Information Governance course, it's geared to help records management professionals take the leap into the world of Information Governance. So, and this course can also be used as a prep course for the IGP exam as well. So, after I consider this a lot of information to consider in an hour, I kind of went through it very quickly because I wanted to get through it all. But you're probably overwhelmed right now and you're still asking the question, well, which one do I choose? You know, and you probably haven't decided yet, you know, which certificate is good for you, is best for you, which certification is best, which career path should you take? But that's okay. If you ever need any guidance, you know, you can definitely reach out to me. Or Pat obviously, she's your instructor and mentor. But it really depends on your career goals. You know, if you want to be a records manager, you definitely should go for that CRM or if you're already a records manager, why not go for that CRM or IGP? If you're more technology savvy, you know, go for the CIPP. Security is definitely very, very hot today. So, again, I mean, thank you for attending. I wanted to leave at least 10 minutes for questions. Again, we only scratched the surface with these six certifications that we discussed today. My contact information, my email phone and my Twitter handle where I'm pretty active. Feel free to connect with me to bounce questions off me. I'm always available and I'm definitely, you know, a certification certificate course geek. I just like playing around with different certifications and, you know, I'm definitely interested in advancing my career and learning things from people like you. And, you know, I want to turn it over to Pat to see if there's any questions. Oh, thanks so much. There was a lot of information there to cover. Does anybody have questions on any particular certification or do any of you have certifications already? I see a couple saying something. Where do we find? Each one is different. You have to find out what certification you're going for or certificate. And at the site where they explain what it's all about, they also usually have links to study. If you are interested in the CRM, the ICRM Institute of Certified Records Managers has a site and they have a free handbook that you can use. And it's the same for certified archivists. We haven't talked about that, but we will in a future presentation. But I know that they have a handbook as well. And then the ARMA website is a really good place for the IGP. AIM provides materials for their certification. And so those are the places you're going to have to decide what you want and then look. Oh, a SharePoint for room course and could pay 100 more to take the ARMA certificate exam. Oh, that's a good way to do it. You can take all five parts of that six-part exam at once. I did that and got them all out of the way. And then you have to have all five passed before you could take that case study or unless it's been changed. So it actually took two sittings to complete the CRM exam. The others that I have, it was one sitting. Yep, local chapters do study material sometimes. We used to purchase them along the mount. Also have study groups that might be able to conduct that online. I know some people also charge to run study groups. I don't think you need that. I think you just need to maybe get with an ARMA chapter that's running something like that. Any questions for Jim? I know we never mind when we're done early. Jim, I want to thank you for offering to answer questions for them offline. So grab his email if you don't have it. Also, somebody asked if you would share your slides. If we do that, I usually do that as a PDF, but I'm not sure if you want that so you could think about it. And then that was Rebecca. And I think that's it as far as I have notes in the chat area. Yeah, no problem. Feel free to do what you want with the slides. Okay, I'll turn them into a PDF. I'll turn them into a PDF and then I'll link them on the site next to his name where you have the link to get in today. We'll post them there. It'll be easier for you to get them that way, and it'll be a PDF version. Okay. Well, I like that. It was worth it. Good. All right. Well, thank you very much, Jim. I'm going to turn off the recording. We really appreciate you being here with us today, taking time from your busy schedules.