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Yes Huge room also those rooms tend to leak because of the way that the building is made Yeah, it's because what's really hard to see a little bit Well, let's just say like with my room had a lot of floor space But it's like you can only use 45% of it because half the wall is slanting And like a 30 degree angle. It's so like you walk. It's like being in an attic, right? You walk in Yeah, we hit the side. Oh, man. You must have had like a corner room or something. No Well, if you're in the pyramid, they're all gonna be like that. There's no way out of it because it's a pyramid Now it's not like a rhombus, which is mathematically a little less They're not rhombus, but uh, it's a parallel of a rumpus The wild the wild rhombus All right, you guys ready? I was born right now. I'm ready. I make sure I have my notes up for this. I was Okay Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, January 27th 2017. I'm Tom Merritt joined today I'm pleased to say by mr. Ayaz actor of CNET senior associate editor there. What's going on Ayaz? Things are good. I'm glad to be back. It's a new year. I'm finally back on DCNS So I'm having a good day. I am glad to hear it We are going to bring you a discussion about the idea of having New phones that excite you again. Is that is that a good way to put it? Yeah, think about what's coming up and we're will you get excited or not? Yeah, we're gonna talk about LG We're gonna talk about Samsung Can can they rekindle our our once fervent interest in smartphones? Also here because it's Friday to illustrate the show mr. Len Peralta. How's it going Len? Good good excellent The that I was so excited about the topic. I was it's amazing It's gonna be really exciting to hear what you guys have to say about it So I am looking forward to it as well We got a few other things to get to before that in our top stories Starting with lawyers delivering their closing statements in the Oculus Zeni max case remember Zeni max accusing Oculus employee Well found co-founder Palmer lucky of taking intellectual property and include including John Carmack taking intellectual property when it with him when he went over to Oculus that case is now in the jury The jury is expected to deliver a decision sometime next week PayPal chief executive officer Dan Shulman said Thursday that PayPal has been in conversations with Amazon on adding PayPal as a payment option on Amazon. That seems like a long time coming, right? Now here are some more top stories Microsoft reported its revenue for the last quarter of twenty six point one billion dollars against expectations of twenty five point seven Billion dollars beat those they reported earnings of 83 cents a share and they were only expected to get 79 cents a share So always with Microsoft you want to know who made the money for them the personal computing division That's the one that has windows the surface tablets the phones and the Xbox That division fell five percent year over a year. So it wasn't contributing to the uplift But the declines came from the surface department dropping two percent the gaming department The Xbox drop in three percent and of course mostly from phones Which was down eighty one percent year over year That's that's crazy the cloud segment of Microsoft with Azure and Windows server drove most of the growth growing eighty eight percent And the productivity and business department, which is largely Microsoft office grew ten percent They also reported numbers for LinkedIn, which they acquired on in December LinkedIn contributed two hundred twenty eight million dollars in revenue with a loss They didn't make a profit at LinkedIn of a hundred million from the time LinkedIn was acquired December 8th They keep thinking about that phone revenue when you barely make anything and then you lose more like almost the same amount Eventually you get to zero. It's gonna happen one day. Well, it's eighty one percent year over year, right? So next year Will they have put out a new phone by Q4? Do you think will there be a surface phone to help lift that number back up if they do it they've lost their minds flat out I don't see them really you just you just don't think they should put out a phone at all Not if they can if they can actually get the emulation working properly such that that phone is truly a PC then yes Go for it, but otherwise It's really a lost cause unless this phone is like hollow lens and there's holograms popping in front of you and it's Rollable and it's insane. There's no way it's gonna work There's also some concern about that Xbox number a gaming down 3% it's not just Xbox sales It's also their games. It also includes their mobile games and things like that, but that in a holiday quarter Should have been up. Yeah, Sony's kind of got this locked up right now Over at Tesla they filed a lawsuit against its former autopilot director Sterling Anderson and Santa Clara Superior Court Tesla claims Anderson took confidential information when he left the company then secure erased files to conceal the theft The suit alleges that Anderson attempted to recruit a dozen a dozen Tesla employees for a self-driving car startup called Aurora The suit names Chris Ermson a former director of Google self-driving car efforts as being a part of that startup a lot of espionage going on apparently Yeah, and of course the Aurora guys who apparently have not succeeded are accusing Tesla of being afraid of competition And you know that that's what you do in these court cases. Of course you try to cast aspersions on the other side But it is unusual for Tesla to do this I mean, they've had so many people leave and go to Apple to work on Apple's car project To go to even places like uber and they don't like it Elon Musk will come out and say some catty things about Oh, yeah, the people we didn't they couldn't hack it at Tesla go to Apple, but he doesn't sue them So I I do I do tend to think there there must be something more to this than just fear of competition Or they or they'd be suing people over going to bigger competitors. Yes, but the self-driving efforts by By Tesla has been so far ahead. It seems like that information. They're probably trying to guard like crazy. Yeah Well alphabet you you think of them as Google, but remember Google's just one little part of alphabet now Alphabet reported earnings per share of nine dollars and thirty six. They had been expected to get nine dollars and sixty seven So they missed that doesn't happen to alphabet. They missed their earnings per share revenue They reported twenty six point oh six billion against expectations of twenty five point two two billion So they they hit on revenue There was just a lot of costs apparently in the Google ad sales part where the majority of the revenue comes from Clicks on Google ads rose thirty six percent in the quarter, but cost per click fell 15 percent non advertising business including things like your cloud services your Google Play Store G Sweets the the enterprise service hardware like the Pixel phone They lump all of that into one that business grew sixty two percent in revenue to three point four billion dollars Alphabets other bets division. That's pretty much everything that isn't Google that includes nest fiber Their health company verily, you know the the ex department That whole thing everything lumped together reported two hundred sixty two million dollars in revenue That's up from a hundred fifty million last year So they're starting to make more revenue out of those other bets, but they're still losing money although they're losing less money They're down to losing one point one billion dollars in a quarter versus losing one point two billion dollars in a quarter And on the analyst called Google CEO Sundar Pichai told analysts that he's comfortable about the way things are unfolding for Google in The voice assistant space over the coming years He stressed that Google has a lot of experience in national language and national natural language search Speech recognition However, he did not give any details on business methods They would use and the worry is that while Google has successfully moved into mobile and there was a lot of Concern about that if they could keep making money as more search went to mobile They now face competition from Amazon and Siri and Cortana In the space of voice search and it's not as obvious how you make money You can't put ad words and voice searches very easily And imagine though you could call that data and figure out what the person wants to ask next and maybe you can have a better Guesses ahead of time like hey, you're talking about movies. Maybe you want to talk about this other one Maybe that's a sponsored thing like I want to watch the arrival and it's someone else like hey Do you know ETS on a Netflix right now? You could get a Netflix subscription for XYZ. Yeah, but do I mean? How do you execute that in a way that doesn't annoy me that that's what I'm curious about like I don't want to say to to my Google home You know order me an uber and have it go are you sure lift is a dollar less and they're paying us right now to tell you that Well, I mean if it saves you money arguably you might do it But like I would imagine it'd be kind of like the way Amazon does special features a special editions of their What is it called special offers? Excuse me on their Kindle devices Maybe it would be that kind of opt out you pay a little extra bucks and get out of it There's a difference between special. Oh, okay. I get what you're saying But there's still a different difference between special offers that sort of show up passively on my lock screen versus a Speaker that has to say something to me has to interrupt me to give me its message Maybe that's what that speaker finally needs a screen that rumor of that Amazon thing might come true. Oh, maybe that's it As expected Apple has joined the partnership on AI as a founding member alongside Amazon Google Facebook IBM and Microsoft Members agree to establish best practices and publish research under an open license Apple we represented by Siri co-founder Tom Gruber who is now the head of advanced development for Siri at Apple So it's Gruber's fault if Siri doesn't work No, Gruber is actually one of the Siri co-founders who stayed with Apple a lot of them left and started Vive Which then was acquired by Samsung, which is likely to become Bixby. It's just a whole litany of funny names Out there, but yeah, it's it's good that they are putting one of the guys who's worked on this for a long time Very successfully on this board and the bigger deal is that Apple will now be openly contributing to AI research Which I think is going to be good for Apple That's important that these companies actually have this working together the artificial intelligence this kind of silo thing We're doing with these first these voice assistants. That's not working out so great So if we're gonna have an AI future be nice of all those major companies had a kind of single vision Now there's been a lot of concern about what would happen to the open internet guidelines from the FCC in the United States Now the Tom Wheeler has been has stepped down and been replaced by Ajit Pai Ajit Pai took his first step in addressing that By introducing a proposal to wave transparency requirements for five years for ISPs with fewer than 100,000 subscribers The requirements call for reporting on data caps fees and speeds Pai would also like to extend the waiver to ISPs with fewer than 250,000 subscribers So this is a very small piece of it so far. He's saying I want I want to make the waiver for paperwork For small companies a lot longer. So we don't have to keep looking at this over and over again I want to make it for slightly bigger companies, but again 250,000 subscribers That's that's certainly leaving out the big players that we usually hear about the Comcasts the AT&T's etc The plan is similar to a bipartisan proposal in Congress and vox.com has an article up today about South Dakota Senator John Thune He's the chair of the senate commerce committee Who is pushing for congress to step in and solidify net neutrality rules so that we don't have the FCC continuing to Want to change them as the winds blow A democrat was in charge of the FCC and put the rules one way now a republican has taken over And it seems like he wants to put the rules another way Thune who co-authored a bill with mississippi senator fred upton in 2015 that would have banned paid prioritization Told the net the state of the net conference monday For people to get the maximum benefit possible from the internet They need certainty about what the rules are and most importantly what the rules will be in the coming years The only way to achieve this for congress is to pass bipartisan legislation There's a lot of reading I got to do to pick this stuff up again because I missed this stuff Just kind of buried in all kinds of other tech news for myself Yeah, there is a there's a lot to be done But right now it's more in the in the realm of who's going to do what right? So I very much agree with senator thune that we should not continually be changing the rules About how the internet should be should be regulated We can argue all day about what those rules should be But when we set the rules down we should keep them for a while and see if they work that said I totally understand commissioner pie coming in and saying you know what I resisted these rules when I was a commissioner And wheeler was the chair now that I'm the chair. I'm going to move to readdress them So it is in the united states the the proper function of the congress To step in and say, okay, we're the ones who make the laws. Let's make a law and The resistance to thune's proposal before was that it didn't go as far as wheelers And so when advocates of net neutrality compared wheelers plan to thune's plan They said we want wheelers plan because thune's plan doesn't go far enough Now Thune who is a republican by the way his plan Goes farther than what a lot of people expect pie to want to put in place Uh, so he may be able to get some more cross the aisle support for it. Gotcha. It's a spectrum of of rules here We're talking about the spectrum Exactly and my head's at pie the wrong way. I kept saying pie. I'm like, I'm kidding. There's some in the kitchen Anyway, sorry for it is offering a device called smart link that includes an lte modem and plugs into the obd Two ports on ford and lincoln vehicles for model years 2010 to 2016 it adds a wi-fi hotspot to the car for up to eight devices And it enables remote start lock and unlock functions and can send alerts to a web and mobile app It can get it can set geo offenses speed limits and track driving habits as well Smart link is on pilots pilot trials at specific dealers right now So like dealers will be widely available in the summer in the u.s final pricing will come around the same time I like this I like the ability to take that port and and make it into something That will give me functionality that my car maker has been manufacturing There's there's all kinds of third party devices that you can use that will do some of this stuff for you also And you should look into those absolutely, uh, but the more the merrier right that the more things I have to choose from the better and I just like the idea that a car maker would be concerned with backwards compatibility, right? I mean You might expect a car maker to say no We don't want your old 2010 ford to do this because we want you to go spend money on a 2017 ford Uh, but instead they're saying, you know, we we I think we win better when we keep customers satisfied So when they do buy a car next they make sure to buy a ford again instead of switching to a chevy or a subaru or something else You know, I haven't had a car for about three years now and since that's happened Car technology has gone through the roof So I look forward to one day having a car with amazing technology and even if you can do backwards compatibility That sounds really awesome. Yeah, uh, also side note I as pointed out that in the daily tech headlines this morning I said odb to port might have which is pretty sure I did Uh, which is not the old dirty bastard ford Uh from the wu-tang clan. It is just a verbal typo. The obd is on board diagnostics. So there you go It's not old diagnostic board. Yes. Uh, the old wu-tang clan member old diagnostic board Hey, uh to get all the tech headlines usually pronounced correctly each day in less than 10 minutes subscribe to the daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com And that's a look at our top stories Building our reports from the guardian venture beats ebb and blast You know him as ev leaks on twitter has published a photo purporting to be the samsung galaxy s8 Which his sources say and and actually the guardian sources also say will be announced on march 29th in new york Well, actually, I think it's ev sources say the march 29th port And then guardians sources supposedly say there will be a 5.8 inch and 6.2 inch version with an 18 9 aspect ratio That's becoming more common now Both with a curved edge display the phones will supposedly cost more and go on sale april 21st Samsung has not confirmed any of these details though blast has a good track record and reporting these kinds of leaks and guardians said They had two independent confirmed sources for this So it sounds like it's pretty reliable and those prices aren't cheap. Uh, they're european prices But it's 799 euros for the 5.8 inch model of the galaxy s8 6.2 inch for the 899 We're also going to get a new lg g6 February 26th It's the new lg flagship phone and that one has no more removable battery. No more modularity. They want some water resistance They Tried to make a move to get us interested in phones by putting the modularity in apparently that didn't work So now they've taken that out and they're trying to make it thin Rounded edges you see samsung doing all kinds of things over here To say okay, you're you're going to want a bigger phone Especially because we had to recall all the note 7s. So let's make a really big samsung galaxy s8 I don't know. I as are either of these Cutting these are the cutting edge designs of phones here Are either of these knocking you out in any way when it comes to designs in general the phones haven't been that exciting I have a google pixel myself It's the software that really drives me to buy a phone at this point when it came to the rounded edges Infinity displays I would let's that wrap around the edge. None of that gets you going The edge display when I first saw it on the s6. I'm like that's really cool When I actually want to first sit on the note. I'm like that's a really cool idea I just don't know when I would practically use it and I see it on the subway a lot And I see people with the edge phones and again it gets my head to turn But it just you see the video just kind of kind of sloppin off on the sides And it doesn't really add a lot of function to it So while it looks really cool functionally, it doesn't add much when it comes to Samsung and they have this this giant screen the 5.8 in screens When I was hearing about this the thing that actually got me my attention not just these infinity display things But the fact that it's a 5.8 in screen It's supposed to be like I believe the whole front of the device is about 83 84 percent screen Which means the bezels are very tiny and they're removing the home button And they're putting it on the back Which might be a functional problem because it's supposed to be right by the camera So well, they're putting the fingerprint scanner on the back and I have the nexus 5x which has that and I find it awesome It did when I first started using it caused me to touch the camera Which is a little problematic But I learned pretty quickly where the fingerprint scanner was and where the camera was Now this is supposed to be on the same level as the cameras That's where the confusion is supposed to be at least when I was talking to some folks around the office But when it comes to them I have the pixel so that it's where the camera is is so far away from the the fingerprint sensor There's also a concern because it's so far up on this 5.8 in screen It might be awkward to hold Which is a kind of a weird idea if you're thinking about how am I going to access actually access this button But like back to the original question the designs themselves aren't I mean they're kind of stagnating at this point until there are foldable devices Or modular devices like LG did try and moto did a very good job with because the LG's big fault was You had a power off the phone Yeah to change anything and it was only the bottom little like what bottom third not even quite a third Yeah, the chin popped out of the device and you had to pop in the new devices and Uh because the device wasn't still on so you lost the functionality of of the of the phone Plus you had to wait for it to boot back up and LG's like yeah, we'll support this for a long time And this is kind of like you know a kind of Oops, we made a mistake the g6 won't have it but the idea that the g6 will be a slick-looking device That's that's nice. But back to that software point there. I believe that uh, it was seen that I work with seen that Roger chang was talking about this that It's going to going to have google assistant, which would make it the second phone with google assistant The pixel being the only other one right now. So the first non google phone to have google assistant Yeah, so so the idea of instead of samsung, which is using bixby and yeah, you can use google now and google Through alo, which is a whole others kind of thing but to have assistant that might set apart an LG device Finally to go. Hey look, it's got a smart integration because there's also that discussion of alexa being everywhere Hey, don't say that word Oh, sorry. Yeah People get really angry about that. Um, and and that's a problem too I actually like the google assistant because we can refer to it without setting it off on the show and More devices having these things in them is where google is going to win So they want LG to have this in there Weird that and roger chang mentioned mentions this not roger chang our producer roger chang cheng works at seen it He mentioned that lg is a big partner of amazon voice services They they have amazon voice services in their refrigerator. They have it in in other devices that they're working on But they didn't feel it was ready yet. So what do you think that means? I as if if they're able to put google assistant in a phone, why wouldn't they be able to put amazon voice service? I think it's different use cases. Okay, when you have one of these Devices these smart speakers by amazon if you have one of these usually they're they're sedentary They're they're sitting at home and refrigerators kind of good at that That those little robots are and it doesn't have to tie into necessarily necessarily other apps But when you're looking at something like a google assistant, you want it to be able to access parts of your phone I don't believe that amazon services can do that yet And that could be a real problem because if you're used to talking to your device You don't want to speak to one assistant for only certain questions And then for other questions that concerns your phones. You have to use another one I think google might be better off servicing the whole phone at one time Yeah, and that is a significant Advantage for google because the biggest problem with any of these platforms right now is not being able to do everything with them Right amazon's advantage here is that they've been doing it longer So they have more integrations of their so-called skills That they can use to turn on your lights or your garage door this and that google has a lot of those now too And has the integration in phones But only android phones if you're not using an android phone Then you're not getting that google assistant integration And then you're looking at the the other corners of the market where Siri if you just live in an apple world is now pretty much everywhere It's not exactly integrated, but it is on the apple tv. It's on your your laptop It's it's on your phone But you have to live in an apple world if you have windows then you've got cortana Which is great if you're using a windows product And as we said not a lot of people using windows phones anymore Means you're probably not using cortana on your phone because it's not integrated even though you can get apps for iOS and android But you can use it on your xbox So every little advantage every little piece of territory that these platforms can garner is a big advantage And with android so dominant in market share It kind of makes me think google has a good shot of moving ahead of amazon I mean at the beginning of this year everyone is you know crowned amazon the frontrunner in this space Uh, it would not be surprised if by the end of this year google has moved in front just because of that integration with so many phones And when google was talking a while ago I think was one of the io presentations that were explaining how they want to build a personalized google for everybody And you could literally tell the assistant remember my locker combination or remember this or that and those little things actually make a big difference Versus when you're thinking about shopping you're thinking amazon. Yeah, that's really good for shopping lists But people don't really necessarily live within amazon. Yeah, you buy things you can make wish lists And that might be it. You're not checking your email your tip your trip itinerary It's definitely not an amazon unless you're buying luggage music It's because you have an echo probably more likely than not. Yeah Yeah, I don't think google play music or amazon music or any like huge extra features for either one But I think it's spotify in both cases exactly they work together with those But if because people a lot of people live in google worlds google docs gmail Gmail for their domains all of that stuff. It's a lot easier to go mobile. Hey, what's coming up in my itinerary What's coming up in these things? I think you're right. They because android is so dominant google's I think they're just going to hold on to the assistant slowly and they're going to hand it out We saw envidia has a version of assistant that's going to be running on the shield And the version of assistant that runs on home isn't even the same as the one on the pixel So I think that's got to be sussed out too if you're going to have assistant all these things They got to work the same or people will get frustrated very easily And that may be one of the things that amazon is working on and why it's not ready for lg's phone Is they want to be able to bring all or as many as they can of the functionalities that they have on the echo to it I know that is one of the frustrations with the amazon fire tv is it has amazon voice services in it But it doesn't really work exactly the same way and you can't do everything with it that you could with an echo So for all our discussion of like awesome phone hardware cool designs big screens amoled If the software doesn't work and I can't talk to it That's actually the difference. I need it to be smarter I don't know big speed is going to be amazing Maybe it is because if it's built with uh with is it viv or vive? I always mix that one up I say vive for now till i'm told otherwise I'll go with viv because vive is a cc's thing that hasn't eaten. I'll say viv for now Yeah, you're probably right though if it's those guys who made siri and their demos showed a very smart intelligent assistant Maybe big speed which is supposed to be built. I believe with partial samsung technology and some of viv Maybe it's really good But again, we won't know until we actually see how it works day to day Well, because one of the other features that uh was reported by both the guardian and by ev at uh venture beat Was the samsung dex dex feature which would allow you to use your galaxy s8 As a computer so it's similar to microsoft continuum You could use a keyboard and a regular monitor and it would project android up on onto a desktop like screen that Actually ends up meaning that you have to get a separate dock unlike microsoft continuum So it's a little bit clunky, but I like that feature again. It's a software feature. I mean If you talk hardware I'm more excited about the fact that they're going to have new models of the gear vr and the gear 360 camera to go Along with the s8 apparently then I am with an infinity screen and this and that i'm just every new Form factor advance feels like it's less of a significant advance And the weird thing is this also has me excited for the note 8 when that comes out eventually I was I was really going to get a note 7 and I waited a little longer than all those reports came out I like to write a lot. I like to draw. I like to sketch. I like to that's the way my mind works I'm like I finally get something with a pen because that hardware actually makes sense for me But then they kind of exploded so I didn't bother with that So maybe this is a good a good thing that we'll see these kinds of features in the samsung note 8 once that comes out whenever that comes out Yeah, and I think it is pretty clear that you know the reason we're getting a later announcement of the s8 is fall out from the the note 7 recall Uh, I I wonder if the larger size was already in the works It probably was but it certainly is fortuitous that people who wanted the larger note 7 will now have the ability to get a larger s8 at the 6.2 inch level so Good recovery samsung, I guess I don't know. Hopefully anyway There you go. That's That's where we are Kind of like laptops to be honest It's mostly in the software that that makes you pick a phone more often than hardware But but maybe that's not true Maybe there's a hardware feature that gets people going you can email us feedback at daily tech news show.com Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com helps us figure out what to talk about on this show Our message of the day comes from bill burlingame Who says I have both an echo dot and a google home The echo is frequently triggered falsely by the tv even when I don't hear the trigger word like he's like I didn't hear it, but suddenly amazon's talking to me. I've had that happen before too That has never happened to the google home My guess is that the echo has a single word trigger, right? And the google home uses a short phrase and that's the difference I'm still using the default trigger for the echo So maybe computer even though it's a single word has more syllables would be better For amazon echoes except it seems like the word computer would come up more often than the name of the amazon echo assistant I have one echo. I have two dots and I have one google home in my tiny apartment Okay, and there's a television show where a character's name is the same name as As the assistant and so every time it goes off Maybe one or two of the dots picks it up. I don't know why the echo doesn't I don't quite understand this And they're further apart. So yeah echo is better hearing I think the dot has better hearing than the echo and the dots further away. No, that makes sense. Yeah, which is echo Could have more better discrimination Perhaps it knows that's a television. Maybe let's go with that But the thing is you could change you could change the way you actually call it up like she's a computer Is not a bad one. That's fairly recent. Uh, you can use the word echo Which is usually unlikely to be heard because in the commercials for the device They constantly use the a word and it sets them off So that might be a good thing to change going to the a app and change it Honestly, I I think bill absolutely has it. It's the okay For the google assistant that makes all the difference you have to say okay, and the word google and Those are that's a phrase that doesn't really come up that often. Hey, and then the word siri Comes up a little more often than I would expect, but it doesn't come up as often A a one a one word trigger is something that I think they could they could do better on and And also we you know, we've had this conversation on the show before some kind of voice training where like siri does It knows whether it's you talking Not someone else. I do like the you can actually say hey google as well Although my pixel sometimes picks up. Hey google or not. I do like now. We also say hey, alexa I know I just said it which is just fun to say now you set off several google homes and amazon echoes never mind You can find him on twitter at At is at i y a z. That's me Yeah, uh, no, I mean and honestly as much as we tried not to say these words on purpose to to set off your devices The devices should be better at this I'm just gonna say that And I wasn't trying to set you guys stuff off. I don't know. I don't know how many of my things are on right now So never mind it was actually to them and he just ordered a bunch of skis I wonder if I can actually have everybody follow me on twitter by saying that like I'll say command word follow ias Yes, subscribe to ias on twitter Uh, well ias, thank you so much for for chatting with us today. Uh, you have some great stuff going on there at cnet What what do you got to tell folks about? Oh, I do a show called top five We just did a top five on features for the new ios 10.3. It's wait. I do a show called top five I know I know for cbs interactive You're you're liking a different silo in our giant silo. So it's kind of like your show except, um The host is brown and uh, he wears glasses and a beard. So that doesn't distinguish anything Otherwise, yeah, there's pretty much just a skin tone difference between that's about it Yeah, a lot of the a lot of the same bad jokes and uh, that's that's pretty much how it goes Also, I do some I do an audio version of net picks if you want to find out what's coming going online You can also find that on court killers every now and then my schedule is good. I get it there every month Also, follow me on twitter twitter.com slash I as you can see everything else I'm doing like my other podcast killing time dot tv, which I really enjoy reviewing movies All right, uh, go follow him follow the fine tradition of top fives at cnet, uh, and and tech republic And and subscribe and follow and do all of those things. Len peralta. Are you there? I am here. I am here Uh, yes, you know, I mentioned at the top of the show I was looking forward to hearing what uh, what you guys were We're gonna be talking about with the main topic and I got unfortunately got kicked off by my computer crashed, but In the meantime, I you know this week, uh It's been a tough week for a lot of different ways and obviously we said goodbye to jangle the dog this week and This is a tribute to jango. I felt that it was only fitting to end the week with a nice old tribute to jangle the dog um, and I just want to let you know That uh, uh, you can actually purchase this right now at my online store And until next friday three dollars of the sales of the digital file and five from the sales of the physical file We'll go directly to rocket dog rescue in san francisco, california, which is where the rescue Were tom and eileen first met jangle. Yeah, I was talking to them today Uh, and uh, and they're like, yeah, that's terrific. So, uh, uh, you know Give a little bit of love to jango And um, also to rocket dog rescue where jango was first found. You're making me cry act are Well, that's what I do. Usually it's out of anger, but it looks like a postage stamp. I would like to have that as a postage step I think I can make that I'm also getting hit in the fields. I also lost a dog recently. So yeah, I could I uh, I know Uh, but yeah, jango was an awesome dog. Thank you so much. This is gorgeous If people don't know jango jango was my dog. She was our dog for 13 years It wasn't just my dog. Eileen's dog, too And and len a while back I commissioned him to do greeting cards with with jango and soyer On the cover as private detectives. I even wrote a book about them as private detectives and I love Uh, your take on jango and this picture is going to make me well up and cry if i'm not No, no, no, I love this. I love this so much Thank you. Thank you. Thank you It's the least I could do. She was I was I was so lucky to meet her while I could so You know my condolences to you and Eileen and go out there and help rocket dog Man, absolutely. I mean a hundred percent There are More dogs than there are homes right now in rescue organizations like rocket dog make sure that jango was who was on death row at nine months They saved her from animal care control. She ended up having a long wonderful life because of that So, you know what if if if you can Maybe just kick in some money to a rescue organization If you like the print which I do I would highly encourage you to buy that Or even adopt a dog yourself and give a dog a loving home. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Len parole to store dot com All right I'm just going to leave it on that so you don't have to look at me trying not to cry Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alpakeek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv Our website is daily tech news show dot com big thanks to adrian christ mccogney and shan and thanks to ryan ambrose who increased his Pledge at patreon dot com slash d t n s. We'll see you with farana cabelmont on monday This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover That is so cool That was I didn't mean to do that to you tom. I didn't even think I didn't even think about that and I apologize about that But don't apologize. I love this. I love this so so much I'm so ordering. Yeah, I thought about it this morning and I was like, well, I gotta do I have I wanted to do something I really appreciate you doing it. It's such a good. It's you so captured her Thanks, and you know, yeah, that's why I was asking you about where you found her because I read the story and then I was like I wanted, you know, I'd love to be able to help out and do something nice No, I love that. I love that you're going to give proceeds to rocket dog. That's that's so cool and helpful and positive I'm so happy. Yeah Yay, jane go Oh, do you want me to leave it up? I'll take it down No, no, you can leave it up. I'm leaving. I'm leaving it up right now But uh, I'm sure roger is gonna jump back in and start doing titles here in a second Except we can't hear him because that's what hangouts does It doesn't let us hear he's back. He's tapping a mic He's tapping. I can't hear we can't hear we see it though He's got all right. I know he had to get uh, he had to get his daughter. So Let's look what do we got in here real men cry. Thank you Uh interrupting personal assistant. That's pretty famous Uh net neutrality shifts back into gear Can you hear me now? Yes, uh, I was just to net neutrality shifts back into gear on the list of titles alphabet pi lick who's listening now the abc's of business apple open to ai advances samson take three OBD. Yeah, you need me I don't know uh Um, I like interrupting personal assistant. Yeah, I like that one I hope you're not picking up the audio on that a little bit. I just don't want it to get flagged Yeah, I can barely hear it good Look who's listening now Guess who's having the best week ever? I wish I missed that show What do you guys think for the title? I like uh interrupting personal assistants. That was pretty good Yeah, everybody agreed on that. I mean, I liked, um, there's another I like that just it didn't seem to be the crux the show though We seem to talk about the assistance a lot Yeah, I really turned into and and that wasn't even planned just a organic discussion of Voice assistance because the hardwood just doesn't I hate saying that it's a hardwood just doesn't matter as much as it used to You know, you can get thinner and thinner and faster and faster, but the software sucks. Who cares? I mean I look at laptops and I feel the same way like the hybrids and the foldables are kind of cool as demos But even with my my surface book pro I or surface pro I don't use the detachable function really ever I Once recently because we were ordering some food online and Eileen wanted to put in her food And I was like, oh, I can take it off and just give it to you Usually when I do like when I plan out things I like to draw it out And so I I still have like a like a little notepad So it's like if I just had the surface book I can just draw on the screen or have a MacBook right now And an iPad you don't draw on these things by the way Man, Audacity is super fast today. It's been important and exporting like crazy. Maybe it's just my my computer is extra fast Um Exporting the show already. What? Yeah, I keep thinking about splurging and getting like a razor laptop just because I'm doing a lot more video editing again It's like, okay Killing this MacBook Oh She doing oh you're on your slide Don't run into the ball You can see her maybe people don't know is that roger's talking to len Slide in the back. Yeah. Hey, don't wiggle so much That's also for me. Sorry It's just a habit One of these days you'll string words together Come on That's a good producer right there He's dancing at the top of her little plastic slide in the living room Is that dangerous? Uh, she's in a crouched position. So no She's standing at me. No get She just uh Oh, she's trying to see what's on the screen It's just it's uncle thomas. Oh, it's trying to look at your screen, huh? Oh exit or m wants to know how the basement recovery is going Uh, they just put the seal sealant down on the tiles this morning Uh, so I should be able to get back in there this evening However, I might still do the show from up here Monday Because there's some more work that has to be done on the heating and air conditioning system And that's in that room the access to it is in that room. So those all have to be moving around in there On Monday, so I I may call an audible on it Monday and see if Like I'll set it all up But if they're still working close to 130, I'll just do the show from up here If they're done in time, then I'll do the show from down there. Is that you baka dancing? We're yeah, that's uh, that's the star ward. They don't do it anymore I kind of missed the boat on that one. It's uh the hyperspace hoopla They basically do a dance stage show With the star wars theme and they do like popular music to it. It's actually really okay being streamed live dancing And she she's at the I give consent Is is 16 year old ellie going to be okay? Well, she's a baby. So at this point, it's adorable It is I'm not denying that if she's 40, you know indigent in dancing, you know Like like a busker to make ends meet then I would have issues It sounds like the worst episode of the twilight zone waiting to happen Oh, uh, texcheb texcheb wanted to know what caused the flood Uh, there was a crack in the foundation and the house is on the side of a hill So water built up because we got so much rain and then it started to come in the house When I had a house in upstate new york, we were at the base of the hill And of course we had a basement studio Which then flooded and of course all the extension cords were on the on the ground And my and the actual breaker box was past the cords. It's like Okay, I'm gonna turn this off with my rubber shoes and hopefully not die. Yeah, that's tricky But good job. Good job. Not dying right after that I I took care of a lot of landscaping I put all the cords up and the rafters this never happened again And then I sold the house here's the thing though like If I do if I you know if I if you go up then then the roof could start leaking Yeah, but I mean, so it's not like there's a hundred percent safe place. You know I've exposed Uh, you actually have like a proper ceiling, right? No, I just have the floorboards for the upstairs So you can see where the you can see where the at least the water pipes are you can keep it away from there? Yeah, for sure. That's true. That's what I was doing with mine because it exposed everything So I was trying to keep it because it's the floor. It's not going to leak from here It's going to leak in the parts that are it's going to leak like through the walls For the parts that are the outdoor deck and stuff like that Fun times Oh, and then uh last night the the nest stopped receiving power And they looked at it today and turns out that uh, it's probably a bad baseboard from the nest But it happened exactly the same time that they pulled the air conditioner out Because they had to they're because of the landscaping they're not landscaping because they're Regrating the backyard. They had to pull the air conditioner off Uh to adapt that and I'm like, oh, well, maybe the air conditioner being pulled off caused it and they're like no We're getting 25 volts to your rh wire. It's nest. It just isn't seeing it Um, and so we had to put a dumber thermostat on for now and nest is sending me a new baseboard But of course it happened at the same time, right? It seems like an odd timing for us Because the the guy will who's working out. He's like, I know it's I know I didn't do anything He's like, I know I he's like you that should be working But I'm like I felt bad because I was I was like, hmm. That seems like a coincidence Get like a honeywell or something Is it eco bee is that Echo bee. Yeah, he said sensey is the one he's had good luck with which I'm not I don't have a lot of familiarity with that You know the uh, kentucky folks that seen actually the ones do all the smart home testing. They liked echo bee A lot they've replaced the nest actually for them. Well, well, this was under warranty So they're sending me a new back plate, but if I had to actually replace it, I'd consider that Yes, I look forward to you know, I might one day buy a place again. I haven't had a place I haven't bought a place in a long time. So Well, we're renting this place, but Let me just put the thermostat. Well, you have a thermostat actual I mean this apartment building doesn't give us doesn't have it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like we did get a space heater based on a recommendation out of sweet home Dot net which is like the wire cutter, but for home. It's same people Really good really good space heater. Yeah uh, it's a delongy And it's a an oil Radiator radiator type It takes a while to get going as those types do But it kept our bedroom Toasty last night I gotta think about that when I got my oil heater. I gotta go across the street because the um The hot water and heat broke for the second straight day And I'm like, I can't let my kid or dog be in this space So I I'm like, I don't care. What is it $60? I'll buy it like what is it? I don't know about its efficiency I don't know what's costing me per minute to run. I'm like, no, I can't have a cold in here so How cold does it get like is it new york? Oh new york. Yes, but i'm thinking um for tom. How how cold it was in the 40s last night All right, that's okay. Yeah, that's chill. It's cold, but it wasn't like, you know, we're danger cold The pipes weren't gonna freeze or anything like that, right? Yes, right. Anybody who's thinking No, no, I was gonna say when we first moved in here like the first night we stayed in here in january 2013 It got into the 30s First night it was crazy Yeah, we've had a pretty it's it's pretty pretty tame winter so far. I'm waiting for the Waiting for the other shoe to drop though because it's we've had nice 50 degree days 60 degree days up here and uh, it's like spring You had that have you had that ias in new york We've had a couple of those randomly pop in like you'll have a 55 degree day and the next day was like 30 Yeah, it's like a lot of rain a lot of a lot more rain today's the first day We've had snow in a long time. Oh, it despises when it's raining and cold It's like, okay, it's when it's snow. It's a little bit more bearable because you kind of go. All right, whatever It just hit you but when you're cold and wet and it's windy you're like Thought this was a good idea I was I was I was waiting for our basement to flood honestly because we had so much rain ridiculous Do you have a sump pump? no I had started to write lend parol to store.com earlier and then I had to start working on the upload I got as far as lend par and I now I just went back to the tab to finish And I got all these results for lend par rolling in santa fe springs, california. I reckon that's me I don't even know what lend par rolling does Well, now it's something we all have to learn about yeah lend par rolling Did ever tell you that story about uh, when I worked at the um, uh at the ad agency And I you know, I would pick up the phone. I'd say this is lend and uh, and this is this I answered it one day and someone said is this Lenny the leather man and i'm like Yeah And it was apparently my number was one number off this car detailing guy Who did leather interiors? So if you dialed one number you got lend the Uh copywriter you dialed it the other like one number off you got Lenny the leather man It's so funny that it's a little weird I think they bend a metal for you Oh, they're rolling there you go. Yeah Oh, okay, like so if you need a metal bender in that part of california I think they sell you the whatever, you know already rolls or yeah Do you have any rolled steel? Audio listeners roger has his daughter in his hands Hi ellie See you tomorrow Just waving happening Curtis bees reporting that that's it was negative 47 degrees Fahrenheit where he was Oh my god. Yeah, he's in Canada. Yeah, but I mean I when I thought he was just putting like a dash for like, you know a space or something That's a negative 47 degrees Fahrenheit with the wind chill Yeah, that the worst I've ever gotten was negative negative 17 and that was in vermont and that's as low as I want to go Actually, I didn't want to either Curtis be and Eddie regassa are two of our top troubleshooters when I when I screw up and put a file in the wrong place They are great about letting me know like hey the headline showed up in the dts feed or the patron The patron feed didn't get the right file Which could sound like it would bug but it's amazingly helpful because I get in there and fix it faster because they let me know So props to that go outside. They will die clearly. Yeah, that's when Curtis bees case for sure Yeah, you you can't leave at the house six months of the year in Canada Saskatoon. Oh gosh. Yeah, saskatoon All right, I ordered my print. I can't wait. It's the best thing ever lenn Oh, you're welcome. I love it so much. It's the least I could do man. Love you guys I love that you have we didn't even really remark on this in the show, but I love that you have her in the jango fet Yes, I know I wanted to do something that I thought it worked with the rocket thing too. It was like, oh, that's perfect. Yeah, it does. You're right Oh my gosh, yeah, it was that was funny that you had that other image behind you and when I started I'm like, oh He has he has he has it behind him or and I was thinking I'm you know, I didn't want to tell you that I was drawing a new one So no, I well when you ask me about rocket dog, I'm like, okay lens cooking something up I could have just been nice and said, oh, I didn't want to spoil I didn't want to spoil it though Yeah, I didn't look I didn't look until you're done when you're gonna create a whole fake thing. This is a whole Yeah, I'm just a curious guy. I just wanted to know and that's why I drew this red rocket I just got inspiration from it the day that lend turns into a jerk I'm always a jerk. No You could have been a bender or a roller that is could it could have Just letting the skill Is it the leatherman? What did they say you let me the leatherman Did you when you got that call? Did you think about changing your career? You're like, oh, I was I could be I was like, why am I not looking at this guy make more money than I do then yeah, I'll take his calls It's like sure I keep you by the way If you're if you're calling for some kind of uh insurance company and you have my phone number right now I do not have james's voting number I wish It's always these guys from the metro north train and they're like, do you have the like can you tell me about my pension? And i'm like, no I can't I thought it was a prank the first time but when I got the eighth call they're like, yeah, we're looking for james I'm like, I don't know james doesn't work here. He goes like so can can you can you help me? I'm like, no, I don't work there either. I work somewhere else and they're like, well, where do you work? I'm like, this this has nothing to do with none of your business. Yeah That does not work with pensions. Well, I mean that way, but you know what I mean I'll work with pensions as long as I get a cut All right, I'll I'll give you my my phone number and I'll take yours. No, that's not gonna work either Actually, I have I I have the email problem. I get everyone's else's email Right. No, that's what we call Roger C. Yeah. Yeah, I have gotten What do they get I got a I got something for someone bbva continental for Roger Segundo Cruz paredes This is for a something or another in I don't know which country I can't figure it out Something probably central South America I got Pollard friendly Ford because I bought a car from them apparently Sovereign Bohemian. Oh wait, that's our show rich How do you know that your identity hasn't been stolen and you bought cars and stuff or I have I I keep a credit check on or I have Equifax and I keep a check on all my car. You're on top of that That's good. Yes. I have I need to be I do very important things for very important people Oh, then I will never need that No, it's because when I worked at scene after a year after I worked seen at someone stole payroll and seen that offered basically one year worth of credit check because They didn't know who took it and They thought it might have been used for nefarious purposes. And so I kept it. I never really stopped using it So before we go, I just wanted the video people to see so you're the dog Hanging out stepping up to become chief dog Sorry, do you have anything to say Yes, nothing We will build the wall Oh, no We will build a wall and make the squirrels pay for it If you don't mind being paid in nuts All right, uh, thanks everybody for watching or listening go to emperalto store.com and buy that print. We'll see you next Monday