 What is going on? It's Jay Campbell. Of course, I don't even know what I am anymore, but I'm today the host of the Decoders Truth podcast. I'm here with my good friend, my ex podcast partner from way back in the day, Matthew LaCroix. Matt, how are you, man? It's great, Jay. I love sitting down having these deep discussions with you. It's great to recap and reconnect after all this time. It is, man. It's awesome. And let me just say real quick. First off, Matthew wrote his newest book in his first book, which was it's a suppression of us, which is over in my bookcase, which I read years ago, which is also an amazing book. But this is the newest book, The Stage of Time. And I read this as Matthew knows why I was in Peru. And it really moved me and it led me to some other books and some other people and stuff like that. But I had to have Matt on the podcast to discuss his book because guys, honestly, you know, it took him three years to write it. In my opinion, it's one of the best decodings in really of all time. I mean, and that's a massive, you know, credit to Matt. And, you know, he probably is like, dude, I don't know, you know, it's not the actresses, but honestly he really put his mind and his heart into this work. What's going on in your life right now? You know, talk about like all the amazing stuff that's happening to you right now. Thanks for those kind words, Jay. I really appreciate it. Along with those topics that we're going to be covering in the book, we have some really exciting stuff too. Some new discoveries that have been made in ancient history recently. We're going to talk about actually in the United States, but I've been, I've been great. I've been extremely busy. I wanted to give a little bit of news for those, for so many people who have been asking, have been interested because in this paradigm we're in now where things are not quite the same. They, whether they used to be not everybody's reading, not everybody has time to read. So a lot of people have been asking me about an audio version and so I've been working really hard to do the audible version that'll be available at some point, but I'm not done and it's going to take some time. So I just wanted to let everyone know that that's something that I'm working on pretty hard. But other than that, I've been really enjoying doing some, some little tinkering, some updates to get that perfect because like Jay said, this is a book that is really my heart and soul, but more than that it's about protecting these ancient texts. So that the information they contain and the evidence that is being uncovered around the world can be known by people rather than just disappearing and turning into some myth. This is a next level book. Anyone in the esoteric slash research community, the awareness community, whatever we call ourselves these days, this is a must read book man. It really, really is. Okay. Well Jay, thank you so much for those kind words. That's really above and beyond. I really appreciate it. And I, anyone who's interested, check out the stage of time.com. But so today Jay and I are going to get into some of these deep topics that are covered in the book and some of these new discoveries being made and some of these mysteries that we still are considering and thinking about around the world that still are, still someone considered largely unanswered, right? Absolutely. Just blasting it out as I do on social media right now. But yeah, so let's just jump in right now, we're going to try to make this as fast as we possibly can. For those of you guys watching on YouTube, if Matt has enough time and he's not too tired and depending on how long this goes, we may answer a couple of questions. He's going to edit this for his channel, which is much bigger than the Coaters of Truth channel. So for sure, let's get into it brother. So free will in the nature of reality. And again, we may not flow exactly as Matthew's talking points are and I always, as I always do, I want these guys to leave their talking points in the message. But let's just talk a little about that, you know, set the stage. Well, that's a great way you ended that sentence, actually. That's why I call the book the stage of time because this really is a stage of physical reality that we're existing in, in this mortal body. Yeah, and I talk about that a lot, but it's just it's a very important point to really get across is that like Jay knows all of these esoteric and mystery schools and all of these secret societies, they all taught the exact same thing. They simply taught that this body that we have in front of us is just this organic vessel to house our consciousness and that the whole purpose behind it is so that we can experience a physical reality where there are actual physical issues that come up when you make decisions rather than having potentially a decision maybe not have an impact on you because you're not a mortal being that can die or have someone else become angry at you for something you did and affects them in a negative way. And so we we exist in this reality that in many ways, everything you look around you, everything is that's told you in school and everything that's projected it for the most part. I will say like over the last 10 years that that's been changing. But for the most part, we're most we're told that we're just these you know, more primitive like almost a more advanced primate who has reached this point only because of survival of the fittest and that because we're here, we're taking whatever we can and allowing materialism to consume us in this physical world because we're told that everything is about the physical world. Everything is about accumulating wealth and accumulating money and what can you accomplish in this in this great feat? You know, and you're someone that is a very interesting example from both sides because you're someone who's both has and I would I would say has has mastered their physical body to the point where you've tuned it to that like a fine tune machine. But at the same time, you haven't fallen down that long road where you became obsessed with the physical body where you didn't acknowledge that consciousness exists at all that all this is a physical body. I'm a big strong guy and oh, there's not that has nothing to do with this spiritual, you know, all this stuff. You know, that's just silly. So you're a very interesting example in my opinion where you towed both lines where you found the balance between both getting that physical tuning and then a both that conscious tuning. And I think that's the whole point of this is that I agree. Let me ask you something relative to that. You know, obviously, you know, the ancient Greeks talked a lot about, you know, mastering the spiritual aspect of consciousness, you know, that the Aristotle statement was a sound mind built the sound body. So it's like the inverse, it's back and forth. So they did understand that. But something I wanted to ask you about that is it probably stands to reason that so Toth, Thoth, whatever you pronounce, however, you know, and the ancient, you know, these Atlantean priests, leaders, kings, whatever you want to call them, Anunnaki, you know, descendants, whatever, whom and whatever they were. We are finding out now that there were massive, it's not even just, you can't discount it anymore that there were massive races of beings of, you know, 10 foot, 15 foot, 25 foot, 30 foot, whatever they were. And you assume that these beings knew about the physicality and the spirituality and how you had to have both. So, you know, in what you're saying, it probably who I am is probably just a reflection of what it was the standard in earlier times. Yeah, and I think you are right about that, is we do have a lot of evidence from a lot of places people wouldn't expect that some of these past kings and in our ancient history, even before the Romans that there were what we would think of as giants or very large humans that, as well as if we can get into some of those other influences as well. But I guess I'll bring up to the point of that, is it's pretty amazing to learn that something like the famous seafarer explorer Magellan, he probably the most famous example in history of someone who's well-known having a controversial discovery like that that then gets completely suppressed and that no one ever had. Yeah, of course. And so when Magellan, of course, if you go look at this, it's absolutely fascinating because when Magellan was sailing around Patagonia and he went through what is now called the Straits of Magellan, he's, they ended up stopping and to go get supplies and get water and things like that. And they went inland and his men found these, what they could, they called giant men inland that were over, some of them were over 10 feet tall and they actually seriously attacked them. And so Magellan and all of his crew had to rush back and then leave. So they write all this down and there are notes about the trip and they go back and they tell them. And then before long, no one ever hears about the story ever again. But I find that amazing considering that the same thing happened with Plato when he was talking in the Timmy as he created it by Atlantis. So like, for instance, one aspect of Magellan we keep where he's circumnavigating the world and that's what he's known about. But then it gets completely ignored about this discovery and what happened to Patagonia. And then with Plato, we use him as one of the greatest, consider one of the greatest philosophers in history. And yet we ignore this huge enormous section where he talks about ancient Egyptian wisdom that he got from Solon and all these ancient kings from before him. And so it's this long connected rabbit hole of here we have this information about our past and about how all these things have changed over time. And we've gotten to this point where it's such a strange reality where people don't even think any of it's real. And they would laugh at the idea that any of these things could have been possible in the past. And I think it's very funny how close-minded people are, especially when you consider the fact that whenever new discoveries are made throughout history that change the paradigm, they're always initially mocked and ridiculed by most people, right? Right, absolutely, absolutely. Like a lot of the things that we do, because in my health optimization world, it's so far out in advance of quote unquote, medicine or sick care, whatever you wanna call it, that's the status quo. It's the same thing. So whenever you're on the bleeding edge at the tip of the spear, this is just the route that we walk, right? The path that we traverse. It just is what it is. But I do believe, and you were telling me this three or four years ago when you and I first started talking, that the light was going to win. And it was always a little harder for me three or four years ago to see that when I looked around and I saw how fast technology was accelerating, the transhumanism movement, all these other things. But I am a firm firm, and I won't even say believe, right? No, or now that just as the dark is expanding their influence through technology, the light, the children of the light, people like us, people of awareness and consciousness are also accelerating probably at a rate if not more advanced and similar. So wherever it's going to go, it's going to end up well. But again, as you know through quantum physics, and you write a lot about this in the book, we manifest the destiny or the reality that we choose to. And we all, each of us have that power. And that's a great point. And we're still staying on the topic of understanding free will and the nature of reality. Those two topics really answered that question and really get into it perfectly because we have two things going on here right now. One, we've been made to believe that, again, we're just this advanced ape and that consciousness doesn't exist. It's just created by the brain and that's how we perceive ourselves. So therefore, because we don't understand how important we are and how we can actually create our own reality with our thoughts, but more of on a collective basis, not where you would say, oh, I just want to fly so I could fly. It's not really like that, but it comes down to these deep levels of understanding that we can manifest certain aspects of our reality and on a collective level, it gets more and more powerful the more souls that you have included in that. So therefore, if human beings here are actually the ones that are allowing and manifesting this reality to happen, it really shows you that that's the whole point of why so many fear tactics and so many distractions and so many different certain means of keeping our mindset in a certain way have been done because therefore, when we watch TV and we see all these ads for going to buy stuff at the store and all these violent things that then show us, all those things are then incorporating to how we manifest to create this reality and what we allow here. And so therefore, this reality that we find ourselves in, we have free will, but because of the way that everything's been designed here and everything's been perfectly pushed to the fact that we're in this state where we're always being constantly forced to be conformed and to have this same linear thought process as all those around us. And so when you and I, those like us, start to go on this other side of looking into this forbidden knowledge, we often get shunned by most of the community. And I think that that's the biggest factor which leads a lot of people away from this path is that it's very lonely at times if you don't know how to find others like you and it can be very depressing if you don't know which way to go. And so a lot of people will just give up and they'll fall back on their old ways, but we can't get past the idea that all these things in front of us we see are merely just illusions. Getting back into ancient Egyptian wisdom, we have to understand that they considered consciousness in the soul to be the entirety of that individual. Whereas, like I said, this body is just a vessel. And so they had certain terms that they called it. They called the body ka and they called the mind and the spirituality ba. And so they talked about how these two forces of energy which I think in many ways can be equated to the eagle and the serpent as well where the eagle would be this conqueror of the physical world and whereas the serpent would be this wisdom bringer and the spiritual side. And that's why those two have been at such a clash because there are some individuals that have very focused, they're very determined to have a certain outcome win over here. We've called those individuals many names throughout history but that's what this whole battle has been about. When you look, and I just want to say when you look at something like the great Roman empire and the Byzantine eagle and the significance of that eagle and how in when the Romans where they would have an army where they invaded some area that's this is the obsession and importance of these symbols. If that's that eagle that they had which was called an Agilia, Agilia. It was the eagle that they had in front when they would storm into battle sort of like a flag, if that Agilia was lost, they would literally send in hundreds if not more soldiers at any expense to get that back because these ancient cultures were obsessed with the significance of these symbols. And I believe and I've showed evidence that the influences of that same symbol of the Byzantine eagle can be seen in the corruption in something like the Freemasons and how if you look at the 33 degree Freemasons and you look at pictures of Albert Pike and others they have the Byzantine eagle on those flags. And so you get to see that there is then this secret battle throughout history with these certain sides with these two symbols and how they would control how we perceive reality here and how our future would be basically. Right. Well, let me ask you regarding that because for I mean, most people watch us right now understand what we're talking about for the lay people who may be watching this on Twitter or other places that we don't, you and I have never broadcasted before. Do you wanna kind of define the serpent versus the eagle? And again, from your decoding and I know you know it very well. I mean, obviously you, Gerald Clark and I have been studying this kind of stuff and reading all of these ancient texts for so long and stuff like that. But why don't you just real quick high level 100,000 foot summary, define the forces. And you can't really say good and bad, right? Or light and dark, because we live in a world of duality and oftentimes the light, you know, if you think of the Cavallian and you feel the, think of the Hermetic principles, you have the pendulum is always swinging. So the pendulum can go from good to bad or dark to light at times. And so it's very difficult for us as human beings with three dimensional classifications especially intellect to really see things from a higher dimensional perspective which is that outside of our walls of physics in this three dimensional realm, there is no quote unquote light and dark or good or bad or even time. It's all kind of staged in a linear fashion for our puny three dimensional brains, you know, to understand everything. So why don't you just kind of define, you know, who these sides are and how they kind of switch back and forth when necessary. Okay, this will lead really well into talking about early human origins I think too. Sure. So what this really gets down to is, we're going to discuss a lot of the evidence that is very, in my opinion, very strong and credible towards disproving the current theory we have on human origins and evolution and where we come from. And some people might think that's strange. What does that have to do with the eagle and the serpent? Well, human beings are not simply just a byproduct of an ape, we are a being that's been specifically designed for earth. Okay, and I know some people might, I'm probably gonna, I'll lose some people that that's crazy, that's insane. No, I don't think you will. But if you look at it, look down close, get beyond what we've been told and go look at some of these esoteric ancient texts, go look at what these ancients talked about and what do they talk about? Well, they said that human beings are based on these different vibrational frequencies that are composed basically of light. We are like a light being because every time we can raise our vibrational frequency to a higher level, we essentially unlock this new side of ourselves that will make us more advanced and more aware all the time. Sounds like some kind of a movie or some strange thing out of the game, but it's honestly true is that here we are we're these organic beings that have this incredible power of consciousness where if we're motivated enough and we wanna reach a state where we're healthy and we're getting out and we're disconnected from this concrete jungle world that we exist in where cities help really disconnect us from the universe and this planet that we exist all around us. When we can remove all those distractions and get back into understanding, here we are. I'm in this body with higher consciousness and I'm learning all of these lessons that come along. I'm growing as an individual all the time because I'm becoming more aware. I'm seeing all these things have been wrong. When you do that, you start to change on a fundamental level very quickly and a lot of people don't even understand what that is because they're not necessarily going through it, but what is going on in that individual is that all of a sudden they're at this point where instead of being scattered, just this scattered energy where they sort of just go about and one thing throughout the day pulls in this way, one thing pulls in this way and they're sort of floating along and they do whatever that comes along the way. Instead of that, the highly conscious new individual, this person that's made a determination and a judgment every morning, they say, what do I want to do today? What am I doing that I'm becoming, I'm not aware of? How are my actions affecting others? How are they affecting my growth? Maybe I shouldn't have eaten all that junk food now I feel terrible and I can't sit down and read this book or go out for a hike. All these things start to incorporate and before you know it, the individual starts putting all these things into place and they start advancing at a very quick level. When you see that, you immediately can tell one thing that that's a design that's been created as this path to reach a higher state. If we were in this state as just an evolutionary state in a completely a by accident way, it would take tremendous amount of time to have these really big changes happen because that's what evolution would be all about. It would take thousands of years for this individual to slowly change and then here you go. Whereas in our reality, someone, if they had the determination and the wisdom as provided and the motivation, they can completely change on an energetic level in one lifetime. In one lifetime alone, they can go from maybe being someone you would consider that would end up in a sewer drain somewhere without a job, homeless or in jail to being like some figure of destiny of light, providing knowledge to all kinds of people. It's all about free will and it's all about duality and so make a long story short, getting back into the human origins and the eagle and the serpent. We're here to make whatever decisions we want to based on how we perceive our reality. So because of that, there was two sides that basically became representative of duality and that became the eagle and the serpent and the eagle in many ways, even though the ways you can define that symbol can go very, very deep. On a high level, like I said, it can represent this masculine linear control over the material world, a very power-oriented control over conquering and destiny whereas the serpent, and these are the backward meanings that we've been told because of especially the biblical references have been given, but the serpent is always, since the very beginning of these ancient cultures has represented knowledge, wisdom and balance in the spiritual side of us. So you have one side, duality with the seesaw effect. One is this materialistic world with the illusion and control and power and the other one is this world of spirituality and connecting this higher self and shedding this old side of us to then grow and raise ourselves and so these two sides are not just this symbolic thing that we're wrestling with on an eternal level but there actually have been these ancient, well, we considered gods, these ancient Prometheus-like figures who have led to this creation of humanity and this design behind these chakras like I'm talking about. This entire thing that we find ourselves in, all these rules and laws, everything we see around us, it's a byproduct of what happened in the past and so by studying them and seeing the struggle that's been going on and I just want to mention what that is really quick is that when we think of these gods and these two sides of one created mankind which is what all the ancient tablets talk about and the other side was this jealous side who never felt that humans deserved all these divine gifts in the first place. And you can either look at it from a cuneiform side, you can look at it from an ancient Indus Valley civilization side or you can look at it from all the way getting into a Gnostic side which is like ancient Egyptian wisdom. They're all essentially the same thing and they're looking at the idea that we're constantly being governed by these forces that are pulling and pushing in different directions because they essentially are these rulers of our realm and that of course, we'll get down to a long rabbit hole later on in the show but these rulers essentially, they adopted these certain symbols to represent themselves by and represent how the roles that they would play here by and so those mentalities and all the different individuals and demigods and children that they had below them they were all part of playing those roles. They all assumed and took on those roles and use those symbols. That's why all those ancient cultures in the Americas and across the world that had this ancient serpent dragon wisdom, like we find everywhere it was essentially defeated and destroyed So let me ask you a question and that was a very, very good, elaborate explanation but I'm gonna dumb it down. I wanna dumb it down a little bit further so people can, and again, I know that we're defining things from a linear standpoint but I think for most people that's all we got, right? We're not fifth and sixth D and seventh D beings like some of these quote unquote God like higher dimensional beings and so we have to understand from a three dimensional perspective which is why I'm gonna try to break it down a little bit further but in your opinion and you have a very, very professional well researched opinion, how far back from us understanding our time as of now again, linear time do you believe that these quote unquote God's first showed up? And before you answer that, have they always been here? We just had so many epics of human civilization, right? We know we had floods. We know we had the younger dry ass event that Graham Hancock is decoded. We probably had other extinction level events in our past. In your opinion, when did these quote unquote God's and I'll just refer to them as the Anunnaki. Obviously that comes from both Babylonian, Sumerian, Akkadian and then of course the Atrahasis. I mean there's a lot of these ancient texts but when do you think they first showed up timeline wise? And I'll answer that and I'll go right into the Atrahasis. It's a perfect way to lead it. I try to base everything on evidence and I know it's really easy to find someone who's maybe doing one of these sessions where they supposedly in some cases I think they are real and sometimes I think they're not. Maybe communicating with some being somewhere that's telling them something. And I think, again I want to reiterate I think some of that's real and I think some of it's fake. But the point is I don't use that as my baseline to then make decisions on when things happened. I just go by well what do we have for evidence that tells us? And if we don't have anything then we have to just point out that we're speculating or what we're using to determine that. And so what I use is this idea of this ancient way of how Mesopotamians recorded time and that was known as a char, okay. But when we're looking back at the Sumerians and how the Sumerians recorded time they didn't call them years, they called them shars and each char represented a certain amount of years, okay. So when we look at this time period the first thing I want to point out is that I do not in any way believe the doctrine we're told in school that the Sumerians developed only 6,000 years ago and that that was where everything began 6,000 years ago. That number is very, very wrong in my opinion and it's not actually based on evidence it's based on a predetermined number. Because what happens if you were to try to go back further than 6,000 years? You run against some issues. You run against some issues with some scientists that would say well then how could humans how could humans develop here in civilized way right after cataclysms after the last Ice Age? They know they couldn't do that so that's why they waited until only about 6,000 years ago. So to give it a four to 6,000 year break so that human beings would have a more hospitable place to develop in so it would make more sense. But really what we're finding is that the evidence, ice core data evidence, geologic evidence, Mesopotamian tablets all the ancient stories across the world they're all saying the same thing and they're saying that both A, human civilizations are a lot older than we've been told and B, that those who created us and influenced us are not what we've been told as well. And so the best piece of evidence I have that I think is the Sumerian King List. Because the Sumerian King List gives us a certain amount of rain dates for how long the kings ruled for in some of these places and when you add all those numbers up and you add up the amount of time that's gone on between them you get somewhere around between 200 and 250,000 years ago. That's how far back our story goes. Because according to the Eridu Genesis and the Sumerian King List the two best examples to talk about the very, very beginning in my opinion before human origins, that's the point I wanted to make. That they clearly state that the city of Eridu was the first city ever created on earth and this lavish city was created and then it talks about how all these other cities were created around Mesopotamia before the last Ice Age. So we're talking again, well over 50,000 years ago if we can trust the numbers given which would make a lot of logical sense because when we're looking at how old human civilizations are and how old and far back the story that's echoed by all of these different things gives this 200,000 to 250,000 year number keeps coming up. Keeps coming up over and over again from a lot of different sources. And so that I feel is the best evidence that I think can explain where everything began. And I think that's when the Denysovian and the Neanderthal was manipulated. And- That's what I was just gonna ask. Hold on, I wanna stop right there because I want people to understand that when the Creator forced God, whatever you wanna call it what is creative life on this planet, he created life in who knows, indiscriminate ways, energetic beings. We, like you said, were actually physical from some sort of a tweaking of DNA alteration of the original, whatever, chromagnon, like you said, Denysovian, Neanderthal. One of those three physical beings would then take and buy again these God-like beings. Or a combination of all three. Yeah, or a combination of all three, right. And made into what we are now, which is sapiens, sapiens, which is a further evolution or some would say de-evolution of what we eventually, what we were originally designed to be, but anyway, continue. Yeah, and so we, instead of, again, that primate perspective, we have to look at what these kiniform tablets are saying. And I'm gonna read part of one right now just to point out what all this is talking about and how people, don't take this from face value, go look at what they're saying and essentially we are these beings that were created for this planet. For the specific level of gravity that's here, the specific size of the planet, we are beings that were perfectly created well and then we could talk about how we were manipulated later on. But initially, initially, we were a perfect creation. This perfect creation was biblical called Adam. Other names have been called the Damu. There's been another names too that have been used as well, but essentially, originally we were created as an absolutely perfect being and that's why this duality struggle with the serpent and eagle began the first place because we were supposed to be this worker that was created to fulfill the role that they used to have in this physical reality. That's what our purpose was except the problem was we were designed in such a perfect way that we were actually in many ways greater than them. So that old story, that fable that scales way back is that we ended up rising to become greater than our creators. And that's the whole problem that gets compounded with this is that some of these beings became greatly divided over this because they never felt that we were supposed to be this in the first place. We're supposed to be this primitive worker that has low states of consciousness that just goes about and farms and does this thing and just works here and doesn't ever ask questions whereas like I was talking about before to fill in some gaps if some people didn't understand what I was talking about, these shopper centers that exist within us that are along our spinal cord, they represent these energetic centers where we can achieve higher states of vibrational frequency doing these certain tactics. You know, achieving a state of health in the body achieving a mental state, getting growing on all these different levels. And the whole thing about why that's fascinating is that that design was done in a specific way because our creator fell in love with his creation and therefore wanted to take up the ultimate challenge which was I think you mentioned this great God which I do think is absolutely the great prime creator of everything. I think this creator we call Enki or Ia wanted to try to create us in that image of perfection as a way to show that you're like a master creator. You can almost be like God, you can create something perfect. And I think that's where all this stems from. This jealousy arose between them because we ended up being this perfect creation. So what happened? Well over time, all this turmoil erupted and we ended up being genetically downgraded. Now I wanna read a very short part of the Andrahesis just to give people a little perspective so that and this is after the creation of man. This is talking about when essentially things got a little crazy on earth and they decided that we were essentially de-spoiling the planet. So I wanna read this from the Andrahesis. This is one of my favorite cuneiform tablets from ascertaining of all time. It's one of the oldest ones. Andrahesis is alternate name during this time period in Sumer which was this presumer before the flood. His name was Ziasudra or Andrahesis as it's called. And he was the last king briefly of Sherupak before everything was destroyed. Now what, so what he, this is the tablet he was recording these, this ancient information and it states, we the great Anuna, all of us agreed together on a plan. Anu and Adad were to guard above. I, Enlil was to guard the earth above. Where you went, Enki, you were to undo the chain and set us free. You were in charge of controlling the balance but instead you gave wisdom and knowledge to the people. Your creations have become too numerous and despoiled the earth. You imposed your loads on man. You bestowed noise on mankind. You slaughtered a God together with his intelligence. Let us make far sighted Enki swear and ult to the end to create a flood on earth to wipe away all of life. So Jay, like that quote is one of my favorites because I bring it up all the time but this whole idea of us being their creation that was supposed to do the work for them and that we essentially, the purpose of us was that they took on these certain roles so that they could undo the chain so they could be free. You know, what is that chain they're talking about? I believe that it's talking about this physical reality and immortal existence. I think they conquered reality and I think they took over certain roles within our reality so that we essentially became, I guess you could call us like this farm of consciousness, this farm of like animals that think that they're animals but they're not really animals because of the way the paradise is created here. But I just wanna say one last thing is that in Genesis, of course, it specifically mentions that we were created in their image and I just wanna leave it there. It gives that reference there. So we have all of these references throughout history that really show us that we're not a product of just an ape but we're actually a product of ancient beings and some people say, oh, I could never believe in anything like that. Well, you just go look in the mirror because you're not what you think you are in some cases. Right, right, right, right. So very well said, it brings a lot of questions up and I know we're about, we're a little bit, about 45 minutes into this and I wanna be fair to you because I know you- I'm gonna speed it up. I'm gonna be better at it. Sorry about that. Well, I wanna be fair to you. We will get some questions at the end for those that are watching. We have a great number of people watching now between all channels. We're probably about a hundred people live. And by the way, thanks to all of you guys and if you are watching live right now and you have not bought Matt's book off of Amazon, I don't care that you want an audio book, buy this book and keep it and read it. And again, go back to it. And these are the type of books, honestly, where especially if you're not super, super aware and obviously they're only a small, my new group of us on this planet, you're going to have to refer back to this book anyway. There's so much in it. I mean, I've already read it like probably three times now and I was even looking at it today to ask questions to you. But again, back to what you just said regarding the Anuma, Alish, or the Outer Haces, excuse me. Same thing, different name. The reality is, or what I want you to possibly explain even better than you already have and you've done an amazing job so far is, why would these beings who conquered reality, who conquered the physical realm, who conquered moving into a higher dimensional space, again, the Anunnaki, however you want to refer to them, why would they create a race of beings or why wouldn't they maybe is even a better question. Create a race of beings that they didn't want to evolve. And again, obviously there were some of them that do want us to evolve, but explain that back and forth between the two brothers which obviously is Enlil, Enki, or Ia, as you refer to them. And again, there's many names for them, right, for many different cultures over time so people get confused, but kind of explain that battle between Enki and Ia just as you just read in the statement, it flat out says that Enki gave them wisdom which was wrong, but explain that a little bit in more depth. Okay, well that's essentially why the serpent became demonized. To just go backwards and sort of circle back again is he was this creator of us that made us in this image of them, these great Anuno, that also are referred to by the Sumerians as the Anunnaki. We were created in their image so we got all of their gifts and that's where all of these problems stemmed from because some of these beings like Enlil and others, they never felt like we deserved them in the first place because in their eyes, some of their eyes, they still remember when we were just this primitive worker here, just this primitive being, that they then gave sentient life. That's the whole point, sentient means the ability to have consciousness and have awareness of the world around you and we became sentient and that's where all these problems came in was because we were never supposed to be in some of their eyes. It's like we were this blemish that was created because it was considered to be something that would be banished. That's why some of these were referred to as fallen angels. We can get into how they talk about how human beings were then perceived as this lower being but yet human women were still considered very attractive to some of them and that's how we have some of these references to how the Nephilim could have been created in some of these biblical fallen angels in all these terms. But it comes down to that we are a great being that was created in image of these beings and that's what this whole battle over information and creating a certain paradigm of reality would be here and that's what it has been. We've been controlled by war and all of these materialistic and fear based things for so long to keep us trapped in a certain mentality because what would happen if we weren't? Our collectively our entire planet would change on such a fundamental level that we would break this entire paradigm and everything would change. I don't think that people realize how much things could be different here if things had gone a slightly different route than they did. We're only in this place because of certain powers that be that pushed us in this place and what I mean by that place is so many people and it makes me very sad. When I walk around something like when I'm driving down the street I'm walking down the street and I see someone walk by me and you can clearly tell that their life isn't great. They look terrible. They're probably just gonna go home and sit next to their TV and they're probably gonna have nothing to smile on. They wanna just die. That person is only in that mentality because their life is gone a certain direction but more importantly is because they don't have this perspective to understand how amazing they are and how important they are. And so they allow themselves to be pulled down to this empty illusion of a world just simply because they didn't achieve something in this reality. And I think that we really are at the place where we're in this really huge crossroads where we're changing over to a new zodiacal period, this new period of Aquarius and people all around the world are waking up all the time to at least that we've been lied to and that there's an alternate side to our reality that we're not being told and that's what this great division is all about, right? And quite honestly, Matthew, we wouldn't even be allowed to have this conversation right now, broadcasting all across the world, pushing this information into the public space, dropping this light, pushing this light into the universe 10 years ago. You and I wouldn't even, this wouldn't even be allowed to have, we wouldn't even be at a place consciously and energetically where this conversation wouldn't even be allowed to have, this transmission would be scrambled, something would go wrong. I mean, I remember back in the early days when you and me and Gerald and Rex were doing a podcast we were a lot of times where we would say things and the transmission would block. So I mean, you're absolutely 100% right that we are now in a space and time where we're allowed universally, energetically, vibrationally, consciously to have these conversations intelligently and not be blocked. I mean, you made that comment many times in the book that these type of conversations you couldn't even have. I mean, Matthew, probably guys like you and I had been burned at the stake, disemboweled, stretched, murdered, lit on fire, whatever. Many, many existences or previous lifetimes or previous incarnations because we are these people of light attempting to position this information to the majority or just to some. And thankfully, again, you wrote very eloquently in the book, we are now in a place of time where we can have these conversations and we are not being attacked and we are not being dismissed out of hand. Sure, we're still a minority but like you said, there are many, many people waking up to this and this conversation makes sense to many people where as you know, 10 years ago, there were very few of us walking this earth with this mission that you and I now share. And I feel like that's the greatest thing ever that you and I can have this conversation and we can extend these thoughts and we can position this material into the universe. Because again, from a quantum perspective, this is how everything works. This is how we're going to change things we talked obviously in our past podcast about what is it, the 100 monkey or the 10 monkey you know, experience 100 monkey and this is what we're doing right now. Yes it is and that's the point I wanna get across. People are waking up, maybe they don't have a job, they don't like, things aren't going great but just imagine you're here right now in this time period where everything is changing on such a rapid pace that we have no idea about what is gonna come in our lifetimes. And we think about how much has changed just in the last 20 years. 20 years ago, again, you and I wouldn't even be able to have a conversation online. It was just what, the very primitive early stages of all this communication and look at us now, technology's allowed us to connect all over the world in almost a seamless way. And that's why I think people should wake up with a little kick in their step and a little smile is that we're here during an amazing time and that we're able to, even if you're not taking part in change, you're at least taking part to observe all these things happening. Me, that's still a pretty amazing show to be able to sit back for when you say. Absolutely man, I mean it's like I said, I mean it's a privilege, I'm humbly honored to be able to share this conversation with you to talk about these things. And like I told you man, like you have evolved, I mean both of us have, but you have evolved dramatically in the last just two years with your research and your work and clearly all of this, there's no coincidences, right? All of this is happening as it does because it's literally the creator, God, however again you're phrased, the master originator of all things, this is the plan. It's all unfolding as it's supposed to. Exactly, that's a great point is, if you look at how there's clearly an intelligent design behind the universe, okay? We know that, but you can see it everywhere and mathematics alone is the evidence for an intelligent creator because mathematics is like that language code in a computer that's then used to then create something like a game or website or anything. It's just code, it's just certain code that is then created through a virtual world that then is made physical. That's the same thing that we're in. Now if that's the case and if this prime creator, God, knew that if free will was based completely on random chaos, right? Like we could make whatever decision we want to and none of it mattered. Everything would just destroy itself. It would be an imploding situation. You would never have anything get anywhere because there would never be any kind of hidden structure to it. So what is that structure? There's this hidden structure behind reality where we as conscious sentient beings, the higher we get on an awareness standpoint, the more connected we get back to this creator. It doesn't matter who you are. You can't become a higher conscious being without getting more connected to your spiritual side and this all seeing great creator that in this reality that we exist in. The reason that's amazing is that that design has been done in such a certain way where even though evil can prevail at certain times, light and like a lot of people talk about this idea of hate versus love and light versus dark, the intrinsic design behind it because of how everything would go is that light and love and that side of energy is always gonna become dominant because that's how the code was written itself. If it wasn't done that way, we would, everything would essentially succumb to chaos and destroy itself. It just shows you that there is a hidden design behind everything and I think that the way you see that is that everything is always gonna be balanced no matter what. If something is unbalanced for a very long time like we've seen over thousands of years then it means that the pendulum has to switch to the other side for equally as long and that's an amazing concept to consider when we think that the ancient cultures talked about how the civilization that was here they were here around during what was called the Golden Age and we are now returning to that Golden Age right now. So let me ask you a question about that because this was always the Jay and Matt back and forth in the past and I could make this point and I want you to answer it. Now by the way, I am fully in support of the Matthew LaCroix message now and I also know, I don't believe, I know that we are already in the initial stages of the Golden Age and how it migrates and where it goes is kinda still yet to be determined but the more people that become aware the more people that become higher conscious we resonate a frequency that will most likely lessen the impact of the dark forces as they're pushed aside but I do have to ask you and I'm gonna bring up some evidence. We do know right now, and we're going off the path a little bit we'll get back on the path in a second but we do know right now that 5G is literally right around the corner. Okay, we also know from my research, from my understanding, from all the things I do on a day in and day out basis that they are literally desecrating, as you know Matt, our environment with endocrine disrupting chemicals and all kinds of other modern chemicals, blue light from technology, I mean it could go on and on and on obviously 5G is part of that. If I was to say, if I was looking around and again this is an opinion to answer from you but if I was to say that I wasn't like you and I wasn't vibrating it where I was vibrating, I could make a very strong and cogent argument that the dark forces look to be winning because of the acceleration of technology. So I kind of want your opinion as, and again I support your opinion so I'm not of that side but I'm playing devil's advocate for this interview. I want you to tell me in your opinion what is going to stop this massive front and center full scale assault and acceleration into transhumanism? I want you to just kind of give me your answer as how that's gonna stop. I guess the first point I'll make about that is when we look at something like Facebook or a lot of these other online tools, many would argue that they were only created as a way to monitor people, right? Whereas at the same time, some of those tools have then backfired to become an incredible platform for spreading truth. So in some way, so technology is being used for many, many bad ways but at the same time it's being used for many, many good ways. And I think in the end of the day, listen there are definitely entire generations of people that it's almost like looking at some kind of a walking dead scene where people are just walking around, looking at their phones, they don't- Zombies, zombies. Zombies have a conscious level. It's this zombie world and yeah, that exists but at the same time, all those people that would never, maybe back in the day like you and I were talking about when you and I would have been burned on that stake, those people would have lived in some farm town somewhere and they never would have had access to any information. No matter what, maybe they wouldn't have been polluted by technology had been on their phone. Maybe they would have been out farming and doing something more connected but at the same time, they're not really getting all this information being handed to them from all these different sides. So to me, the downfalls of technology are greatly outweighed by all the benefits that are coming out of them right now. You and I having this discussion is an exact example of that. But like you said, there's a lot of things that are coming out right now that are very disturbing. The idea that something like 5G could have a very significant effect on our internal systems in our conscious antenna connection, scattering us and all these other things that affect us on a level. I absolutely completely agree with that. When I, early on when I was on this path, very beginning and learning all these things for the first time, I remember having, being at home in my little sanctuary here, out somewhat pretty much in nature and feeling a very high vibration, really high knowledge, I was, I felt really clear and I remember initially I would go to town, I'd go into town to get something and you would immediately get surrounded by people and stuff and wireless signals. And all of a sudden that vibrational frequency clearness I had, right down. And I was right back down to that lower vibrational state. And it took me a long time to be able to go out into public and not have my state affected by everything around me. It takes a very, very, it takes a lot of patience and a lot of practice to be able to hold your vibrational like that. But what does that mean for most people that don't even know about that? It means that they're being bombarded on a daily basis and they don't even realize that. So in the end, Jay, obviously those that are, you call them the dark forces or those that are more of the malevolent side, they are clearly trying to stop all of this and creating all this chaos right now and creating all this division and fear but people are largely rejecting it. It's such an amazing thing for me to be able to share something, some story or something that came out and then later find out that it's something that's being considered spreading around the world and those who are at the top are concerned about it or whatever. It just shows that we're at this time period where conspiracies are now and those who are looking into these alternative theories are being considered a serious threat. Well, we might be here all night. This is so amazing. And I promise I won't keep you that much longer but I have to keep you long enough to get through our talking points. But to all of that, to all of that, let's just talk about what's happening right now, okay? I mean- I can talk about some of the new discoveries that are being made too after. Go ahead. Well, yeah, we're gonna get to that Manitoba Cave in Alabama in a second but let's just talk about what you just said because you said a lot, okay? And the truth is, so much is coming out into the mainstream right now that people that are of the zombie vibration. And by the way, let's just say this, even if you're a zombie, a sleeper, nor me, whatever people refer to, people that really have no awareness today, like you said, with a blink of an eye, they can wake up tomorrow and be like, boom, what's going on, right? So we know that everyone can awaken and anyone and anyone can awaken at any time but people do awaken at their own rate and that's fine. But to what you're saying, Matt, so much comes out on a daily basis right now that for those who are not, quote unquote, of an awareness level that you and I are and many of the fine people watching this right now are, can you imagine what it must be like for them to see an article or a link like all over yesterday with Bill Clinton in a dress, right? Like on, what's his name, Epstein or whatever, it doesn't matter, but you know, on his wall. So it's like, there's so much now being revealed of like the things that you and I just don't even care about because it's like- You could call it the dark underbelly of- The dark underbelly is being exposed, correct. And it's amazing what that might actually be doing to transform, you know, in this natural evolution of the light, you know, the Aquarius rising in ways that you and I can't really even explain or describe. So I mean, there's, it's all, again, it's all happening as it should and as God wants it to. And so there's like a divine message or almost a divine unravelment too. It's crazy how it's happening, but it's interesting and I want your thoughts on it, but I want, you think that that really is the grand evolution, the grand plan is to just slowly but surely and methodically reveal things as it's necessary so that people that are asleep will become attuned to it. Yeah, it's this idea where some of these individuals, these powerful individuals, and I mean, anyone at this point who doesn't believe that they exist needs to just simply go look at the central bank and the power behind the rock. It's so obvious that it's almost silly now and it's not really hidden that much, is that the fact that there are very powerful leads that have a lot of control here and they control everything, the media, the entire narrative and education doctrine. It's funny and you bring that up, it's like how is this stuff perceived by someone who doesn't know any of this? It's like you look at this and you're like, it's paradigm shifting, it seems so impossible that it would be impossible to them because when you don't have information to look at, the strangeness of what some of these elites involved in some of these dark practices and some of the real sickness, it's a real psychological sickness that does exist in some of them. You mentioned what's going on right now with this whole Epstein thing. I just, and I don't wanna go into that at all in depth, I just wanna say it to me, the whole thing is like, you know, when you see all of those who are part of something that's evil and something that's like a conspiracy going in dark, in the end, they always end up attacking each other and then collapsing because there's no organization and it's all based on this certain kind of mindset. So right now, you're seeing these upper echelons start to fall apart, how some of the information- It's just unraveling, right? It's literally like a made, right? It's like a made for TV movie that's unraveling as it goes. It's like something right out of some kind of a movie. It's so weird, right? Look what we have here. Here we have this high profile character named Epstein who just happened to be the liaison connection to all of these elites and this underground network of both pedophile and, and I know, and this is a really dark area. I don't wanna go deep in it, but the point is underground network between all of these elites and right now the entire thing is collapsing because all these things are being exposed because they're all fighting, in fighting right now. And the point is all that stuff is really evil and dark and it's being cleansed on its own through information shared by technology today. Let me ask you a question about that and then we go back to the cave in Alabama which is fascinating. Cause we just got a really good question from those who are watching, it's from Maureen Sutton and she said, I want Matt and Jay to answer. Are these elites, these stage characters that we're all being exposed to that are quote unquote unraveling, are they even human? You answer first and then I'll give my question, my answer. They're human beings who I feel have been taken over in many ways on a conscious level. It's like they're just a shell for another type of being or entity. And I know that seems completely insane to some people. Not heater Matt, because we talk about that. But remember, remember what I said. We're just like an antenna for consciousness. Exactly. Antennas can pick up different signals and that's the point I want to make is that these elites and these kings throughout history, they all did this one thing. It's called selling your soul. It's when they have some kind of an interaction, meeting, vision, whatever you want to call it, dark ritual and they get into contact with something that's a dark entity and that whatever it is, some being, which is why they worship all that strange stuff of Bohemian Grove and all that stuff. But when they do get in contact with that, they sell their soul for power and wealth and all this fame. Absolutely. But they become like a shell of energy where they no longer have a higher vibrational state. And that's why so many of them just look like they're sort of walking skeletons with no life left in them. So that's how I feel is that the elites are like emissaries for keeping this control system and this paradigm here in place so that things don't get out of control and we all awaken and realize this farm of conformity and control and illusion that we're living in. That was so brilliantly said. So I actually, my answer is I agree 1,000 million percent but I gotta ask you further decoded because again, this is amazing. So these beings that are inhabiting these meat suits, like you said, through antenna, through chakra vibrational frequencies, whatever, are they demonic? Are they archons? Meaning they're just spiritual entities from the astral realm or are they, and again, I know I'm asking you to go out on a limb here but you're the guy to do it, are they something else? Meaning are they of this reptilian ilk or lineage which are almost like higher, lower density but higher age, more ancient with more technology and more understandings because of their age? What do you think they really are to be silent? Two things are going on there. One, especially if you look into some of the Egyptian knowledge and some of the stuff that Thoth talks about with Atlantis is that they specifically states that the people of Atlantis, the men of Atlantis, delved into black magic and rituals and where they actually connected to these other portals and these other dimensions. And he talks about how those are like gateways that are guarded by great masters and if those gateways are open, great evil can be led in. And that, those entities and beings, we have very little information about. We just know that Thoth says clearly that there is chaos and evil beyond what we could ever imagine in other realms and that like again, some of these great masters have been the whole purpose of them being here was to actually protect and control these gates here. Now on the other side, the Anunnaki or the Anuna as they call themselves, I think they are also interdimensional, higher dimensional beings. So they are able to move between different dimensions and exist beyond our time, our perception of time and space. Therefore, when you're talking about entities that are beyond the third dimension, you could be talking about a whole host of beings that exist out there. But specifically when you're mentioning archons, the word archon means ruler and when you read the Gnostic Nagamati scriptures which was found in a cave along the Nile River in 1945, it's state in there that they even call them the rulers of our reality, specifically talking about the Anuna because they took on certain roles within our reality. Now, so I think there's two things going on here. Some of these beings that are controlling some of these individuals may be a combination of some of these more malevolent Anunnaki Anuna beings but they also might be some of these others that have been opened up from portals. We don't fully know, we just know that when you open up, when you use things like some of this ancient, what they really called magic and understand this white and black magic and there's these different things to do with it, there are many, many outcomes that can be had and we've seen that throughout history with all the rise and fall of civilizations I think. Okay, so let's get back to the thing because that was awesome and I agree again with you, it's very difficult to define the hierarchy of dark and light. I always, obviously our good amazing decoding friend, David Eich has decoded reptilians. He's decoded reptilian beings who energetically can morph as he calls them shapeshift and really maybe they're not shapeshifting, maybe they just bend the spectrum of white to appear human, maybe they have great technology to appear human. We don't know, there's been a lot of books that have been written in the last 20 years, oftentimes classified as conspiratorial but now as more and more stuff comes to light, like you said, talking about Epstein and the whole conspiratorial dark dungeon of the elites and all the things they do. There's a lot of people that have said that they have seen these politicos, these important influential quote unquote rulers of this planet shapeshift into giant reptilian beings. So who knows Matt? Maybe these beings can appear in many shapes and sizes again because of the way they can bend light and because the way they can actually, as you said, from their dimensional presence jump in and out, right? I always go back to that movie. What was it called? The Denzel Washington, I think it was called Fallen, right? Where there was like a being, he kept jumping in from person to person, he'd be in a parking lot or in a crowd in the city and he could jump into one being, I forget the name of the movie but anybody who's watching, you can write it in and stuff like that but you're right, they have powers dimensionally that we don't really comprehend or understand. So anyway, awesome. Let's talk about Manitou Cave, which was discovered just this year, right? In Alabama in April and talk about what was discovered there and how it references like really probably the original builders and architectures or architects of us talk about that. So this is gonna be a little bit of a diversion that we're just talking about but it directly connects into it as well. I love when we come across a new piece of evidence that then fits like a key in a lock with something else from somewhere else across the world and you take all of these together and it weaves together the story of history and one of those is a new discovery that's been recently made and I wanted to bring it up because I wanted to bring up new things that come up because it's important for us to incorporate all of these things. So a new discovery was made in this past April of this year and what they found is that as many know, the United States and South America had and Mesoamerica had ancient cultures, ancient indigenous cultures that were influenced long ago by these serpent knowledge bringers and they built all these incredible temples and structures after that. But one of the things that is now really coming to light is the significance that the United States has played in that. Looking at places like the serpent mound out in the Midwest and all these other serpent mounds with these huge skeletons have been found and these temples and all these things that are now being uncovered, this new piece of evidence that we're finding is just expanding this picture more of these influences and what they found is in Alabama along the famous Trail of Tears, there was a cave they found called Manitowah Cave and inside that cave, they found this ancient writing that they'd never translated before. So to give a couple, some stats, this is like it's a really phenomenal story that's developing that of course, only a few people know about because it was buried by the mainstream but near Fort Payne, Alabama, people want to do some research. There's a cave called Manitowah Cave that's had tourists for long, long periods of time but there's these sections of cave that people can never get to because they're so difficult to get through and that's where these discoveries were made. So this cave is a mile long and it has a stream running through it and the very back of the cave in this very remote section that's difficult to get to, researchers found 10 feet up on this vertical wall on the ceiling, they found all this ancient Cherokee writing, okay? People want to say like, what does Cherokee, what does it have to do with anything? Well, the Cherokee link back to these other indigenous cultures of the United States like the Hopi and Pueblo connected all the way back to the ancient Anasazi, getting all the way back to the influences long ago of those indigenous cultures and who influenced them long ago. That's where all of this comes in because we find some new evidence that sheds light on that. So, and when asked how those inscriptions could have been written on 10 feet up on a sheer wall all the way back in the day when it was done, they asked one of these Cherokee elders and this is how the Cherokee elder replied, I found this to be fascinating. He said, a long time ago, people could do things that people cannot today. These people would have been extremely powerful and able to perform seemingly impossible feats such as flying. And it mentions how there was two different stories essentially published for this, okay? I'm just gonna do a little backfilling to the story. Two versions were published. One was a mainstream version and one was the secondary version of the article. The first version that was published through the Alabama News stated that there was these translations discovered but they weren't actually translated and they're still being reviewed. Whereas Cambridge University version completely contradicts what they said and said that yes, it was translated and it goes on to talk about how the Cherokee in this translation, these ancient elders, these shaman used to talk to what they called the old ones. And this is what the writing talks about. It said that these Cherokee elders, one of the elders was chosen, he was called the goose and the goose's role was to go deep into this cave a mile in and to communicate with these beings that they called the old ones who they said were around long before the Cherokee were and were non-physical spiritual beings that they said provided great wisdom to them. And so in this new translation that the Cherokee elder is reading this conversation that's having with these beings and one of the most fascinating things about it is that the writing itself is written completely backwards to not face the reader but to actually face the cave because according to these elders, they state that these entrances were portals into other dimensions, these spiritual dimensions where they could communicate with these beings. Now, what's the point of that whole story? Well, all these other cultures around the world, they refer to these ancient beings just like the Cherokee did when the Cherokee called them the old ones, we find other cultures that call them the ancient ones. And in other places, there's other names used as well, but the point is instead of thinking as human civilizations as being this progressive thing where they learn everything as they go along based on their learning valuable lessons, it's more or less all these civilizations that have come up, risen and then disappeared over time have largely been these influence civilizations that have been created. So the Cherokee talk about these old ones that were likely the ones that probably jumpstarted and created their civilization and gave them the knowledge at the very beginning. So just like what we've lost over time is that these individuals, these mystics, these elders would be the ones that would be in communication with these beings for knowledge. And over time, all of that was lost and that's why we're in this world now that's so scattered and disconnected from this old world and this old paradigm that we used to have. So who do you think they were though? And by the way, so it's 6.03 right now guys and I literally was just told that I have to pick up my daughter in 30 minutes. So we have 30 minutes to continue. So we have plenty of time to knock out the rest that's on the thing, but what do you think? So these elder beings, these ancient ones, we have the movie, Dr. Strange, the ancient one, right? So these beings, these mystical, magical, whatever they were, possessors and keepers of the sacred flame, the sacred fire, whatever you want to call it. Were they humanoid, man? Or were they energetic beings that just were here who were around when humans came to be? I think we are them. And that's the whole point I want to get across is that we are not this ape, we are them. We are created in their image. So they are essentially just a much taller, more intelligent ancient version of us and we're designed specifically for this planet. That's why we're at the height we are. We are a design based on certain laws and principles. So the old ones that they're referring to, I think if you connect it all around the world, all the cultures, they're simply talking about these ancient architect creators and designers of our civilizations that the Mesopotamians refer to as the Anunnaki and they call themselves the Anuna. Children of light actually in some other places too. And some of them don't even call us the children of light. They actually call us the children of mankind. Like we're not even fit for as mankind, we're still just children. Whereas they are literally like the beings of light. Right, right. I mean that's very, very well said and very easy to code it. For me, I just every now and then get a little bit, I'd say confused over the timelines but then when I removed my three dimensional human hat and put on my higher dimensional human hat, I realized that there's no reason to get caught up in this time because you're right, time doesn't truly exist but here in this three dimensional encoding that we're existing in right now and who's to say that as we move into this quote unquote age of light, that everything that we hold dear changes and that time even goes away and we don't have these rules that we've all been brainwashed and conditioned to follow, through technology enslavement and entrainment from televisions and from radio. And now obviously their big tool is technology and it's my opinion, Matt, that to move into the Golden Age, we will have to go back to nature. We will have to unplug from all of this. We will be living in communal farms or communities where everybody is inter-reliant upon everybody else and we won't have money and currency. It'll be like some sort of form of embutu or barter where everybody performs a service because as you said earlier, everybody has amazing, unique creative talents. It's just a matter of exploring and finding them out and of course utilizing them and as you know in the Money Magic system, most people never are able to bring those things out or to channel that energy or to literally find out what it is that makes them so great and sovereign because they're, they gotta pay their bills, man. They gotta get into the game and clock in and clock out every day. And so so many people never ever understand or find what it makes them this, like you said, this magnificent creator because all of us have that ability but so few of us tap into it. So maybe that's where we're going. Yeah, it is, very well said, Jay. It is, it's where we're returning to the source. We're returning to what we are which is this incredibly divine light being who's not meant to just simply wander around here and be controlled through fear and war and materialism and the magic money system and using up all our energy and time until we're old and then we finally have a few years before we die. What kind of life is that for an incredible, highly conscious being that is born from the stars? We are made to do a lot more than we are now and I think people in the future will realize that and I think that's why we're seeing so many people that are just unsettled. They don't know what's wrong, they just can't take this, what's going on anymore in their life. They can't do the same thing every day over and over again and I think that's why you're seeing so many things shifting and moving and changing is that there's this collective, there's this collective stirring in society where I think we're being activated on a subatomic level, a conscious level even if we don't realize it yet. It's we're being drawn towards a higher state of consciousness. Yeah, I mean, exactly. I mean, I honestly don't really know how to put it better than in the way you just talked but let's talk about the last three bullet points we have just to make sure that we cover everything. When do we have time for questions too? We're gonna have to be quick. Absolutely, and really we've covered a lot of this already. We jumped around a little bit too. Yeah, so from an ancient civilization standpoint I do want you to talk a little bit about and obviously I can add my personal first hand experience of just being in the Sacred Valley but lay lines, the harmonic structures, the way these things were built. And let me just say this because I haven't shared this with you. I did share this with Brax and I've also had another podcast I did with Dr. Dave Murphy who's an amazing shamanic healer and the enchaemen. We talked about this and you kind of already hit this but when you go into the churches in South America obviously specifically in Peru and Bolivia, they built these things, the conquistadors as you and Gerald and Billy Carson have covered very well when you guys did that series a couple years back. They built their churches over top of the spiritual buildings and temples of the Meso-American cultures, right? The Inca, the Tiawanaku. The Aztec. Yeah, the Aztec. Right, the Maya and all of them. And the one thing that blew me away Matt, when I walked into these temples, churches, whatever you want to call them and they're really a combination of both, there were always giant doors. Doors literally 20 feet tall and doors that were ornately designed with insane architectural and inscriptions and jewels and just whoever built them, it was not the indigenous because the indigenous are 55, 57, they said the Incas were way taller because they were obviously probably a product of the elder things or elder beings manipulating them. Again, thought being a giant tall, fair skinned teacher of wisdom and bringer of wisdom. So who knows, but it's crazy to look at that and then to not being an aware being consciously see some form of humanoid being, maybe a giant angelic being. And I shared that with Rex that when I closed my eyes and I focused really hard after seeing like I was in the fifth church and they all Matt had the same things, they're all 20 foot doors. Again, ornately designed and crazy. When I focused really, really hard, I truly did see what I would be hard pressed to not say. And again, obviously I'm not a disciple of the Abrahamic religions, but as you know, the Bible has baptized men and women into believing that there were giant archangels in battle gear with wings. And that's what I saw. And I want people to think I'm crazy, but that's truly what I envisioned coming through those doors. And so who's to say that there weren't giant humanoid beings? And again, we know there were giant humanoid, but if you look at the timeline, they tell you that these churches, again, they tell you in the 15th and 16th and 17th century, who knows when they were really built Matt? And if that is the case and we believe that timeline, then who was coming through those doors? That's a good point. When we look back at ancient history, look at the time periods of these pre-Diluvian kings that ruled, we have images, look at Gilgamesh. We have images of Gilgamesh where he's shown with this full grown lion sitting on his lap and it looks like a house cat. And at the same time, we have cylinder seals from Mesopotamia that show some of these great God beings with like, again, like a lion that is like the size of a house cat. What's going on here? Well, I do think that these great Anuna, I do think that they're much taller than we are. Right. And they came here from somewhere else. Then that's the only reason why they're that tall. And when we think of as the Nephilim in this whole idea of fallen angels and people, I think the idea is that there was this crossbred slash DNA manipulation that was done and whatever, however you want to look at it, some of these bloodlines in this DNA that used to exist back then, we were much taller. Right. We lived a lot longer than we do now and we were smarter. And over time, probably through the combination of some genetic tampering and some other means as well, over time, we lost a lot of that and now we're these much shorter, a little bit less intelligent, but a lot of potential things that are here. And so, yes, I absolutely agree. So we're getting back to these doors. Like who are these doors for? They're these doors that are like carved into sheer rock, right? How could something come through rock? Well, remember the story of the Cherokee in Manitow Cave? Who was that elder speaking to with writing? He was talking to the rock. He was talking to deep underground in this cliff, just like these cliffs where these doors are created into. What is going on? Well, I think that has to do with these ancient portal gateways. They used to exist long ago. They no longer exist anymore. And we're looking at it like it's just this empty rock area, but maybe once long ago, those doorways are what these gods were literally like coming through. Maybe those doorways, they could pass through and come into our realm or something. We have lost all these ancient secrets, which would again lead really well into just briefly touching on ancient civilizations and how it seemed like their entire obsession was creating these massive megalithic temples that had this certain harmonic frequency with these doorways to connect to these great beings. They would put forth the most amount of effort of anything. It wasn't them amassing great wealth as their civilization or having all this material greed. No, they spent all of their energy and time accumulating knowledge and finding balance and then creating these massive temples which I believe were created for energy but also to potentially maybe communicate with these great wisdom bringer beings. And I think that's how we've lost this connection over time is because a lot of those great shaman and elders and died out and the disasters occurred here as well as I think many of these beings may have left what we perceive as our time, this time here. Yeah, no, no, I agree with you 100%. And I've been very vocal about this since returning from Peru. My mission has changed but I felt those energetic portals slash barriers, timelines, whatever you wanna phrase them, when I was in the Sacred Valley. My soul was so uplifted, I felt the energy there and obviously many people who go there who are of a vibrational frequency necessary to feel that are completely changed. In fact, Dr. Dave Murphy who I did a podcast related with today and I've now had on one time on my show and many of you guys will find out who this man is. He is absolutely unbelievably 67 years old. He's a shaman. He's an Andy, he was trained by Juan Carlos, the famous Andy and shaman. He's amazing human being and he's a white dude from Virginia and who's now an academic. He's a naturopathic doctor, truly an eclectic Benjamin Franklin type and his story today about all that and how you have to be at a vibrational frequency when you're in that Sacred Valley of Peru and then also into Bolivia to feel what I felt and his story just a quick aside is he had no idea who I was. He's again a naturopathic doctor and he did read my original book but he didn't put two and two together that that was me, which again, the small world, no coincidences. But he was on YouTube and here goes back to what you said Matt about like even though there's a lot of dark aspects of technology. He was on YouTube and he was on his channel which is the Eclectic Shaman and it said you might like and it was Rex's broadcast of me in Peru and so he clicked on it and he said, Jay, I started listening to you and I have never in my entire life and I'm 67 years old ever heard a white American speak so highly about Peru and the energy that he felt and I was like, I gotta connect with this guy. So again, the energies right now of the earth are moving people of our spiritual awareness, our vibration or vibratory rate together and we're connecting and again, of course, as soon as I got back I reached out to you, I said, Matt, I read your book, it's incredible. We've gotta talk about this. We've gotta push this out. More people need to hear this but anyway, it really is true. The ancients knew all of this stuff and as I learned from the shaman which is a different guy, my indigenous guide from Puno when I was on Lake Titicaca he said to me, Jay, this is exact words to me and I'm paraphrasing it but he said to me and I spent two days with him, he said, Jay, you are the bridge from my culture to the modern world, please go and show your light. That's what he said to me and again, amazing guy his name is Abel Ramirez, he goes by Abel but it was just so amazing and they know those people know Matthew they know that the light is coming back. He was very clear to me to let me know about that and it's like, this guy has no connection to technology. I asked him, I was very connected to him, I asked him for his email, I wanted to stay in touch he laughed in my face, email, technology, right? But he's smart and he's totally aware and it was just so touching and so moving for me to spend time with him. He did a ceremony with us on Lake Titicaca and all of us, my wife, myself, my sales director and his wife, we were all crying, we were all in tears. We literally heard Lake Titicaca speak to us in the ceremony that he did and it was just so unbelievable that anyway I'm saying that because I really do believe and not believe, it's a knowing, it's just a matter of timing, it's all coming back Matt and you were the first guy to really tell me that four years ago, so props to you man. What's going on right now with this human collective while we're all reaching this higher state of vibrational frequency, you can't argue that that's just what's happening right now and I think that has to do with our position in the Milky Way, has to do with our position in relative to the sun changes and all these different factors that are coming into play. But what if as this vibrational frequency of human consciousness raises right now on the earth that it actually affects the entire earth itself and some of these ancient sites that have been tuned to this higher energy and consciousness, they're like ringing like a bell now. They're all starting to call back all those who are reaching this other, this higher state of consciousness because it's like that time is returning again and those ancient sites are coming alive and I believe that all those ancient sites were built long ago by these lost civilizations that were influenced by these great wisdom bringers and beings at different times that have influenced them and in good ways sometimes and in bad ways and others but right now we're returning to this great golden age and this is an incredible time to be able to teach others and witness this great paradigm shifting right now, right? Jay, let's bring some of those great questions from those people that are part of that. Absolutely, any other points you wanna cover or we go to answer questions right now? I think we jumped around and covered most of it. Yeah, let's jump into a couple of questions because I think you have to go in like 10 minutes, right? Actually, I don't. So we have more time now. So if there's anything else Monica just texted me and she said she's got it. So I guess I'll just say on the last bullet point, all of this stuff, people are saying well, what you're saying is true, fine. Like I'm okay, I've never heard this, this is new for me, all this stuff, it seems very overwhelming. Well, where is it? Well, a lot of this information because of how controlled the media has become through a lot of these means is that a lot of this information and this knowledge is very suppressed. You're not gonna hear about uniform tablets really in school, you're not gonna hear about any of these ancient civilization technology and higher consciousness, you're not gonna hear about it. And the fact that you don't hear about it tells you that there is a very tight control still on this information. The fact that they can find new discoveries in Egypt and then two weeks later, no one ever hears about them ever again, shows you that there is a very organized control over certain pieces of information and that paradigm is rapidly shifting as individuals like you and I do shows like this to present that evidence in those ancient texts so that people can sit down and see it for themselves and have that spark needed to go have, make them find a new path in life and teach others, right? Absolutely, I mean 100% absolutely. Okay, you ready to take some questions? Sure, absolutely. Where, in your opinion, are the best ancient sites in the United States to visit? Well, so if you're trying to go for the oldest, it's really hard to beat the Southwest. Yeah. I would, Chaco Canyon is amazing. I haven't been to it yet, but I've done a lot of research on it and again, the serpent mound and the whole Ohio Valley area and looking at some of these, they're basically like earth pyramids. Yeah. It's a little bit different, but you can see that same structure down in Mexico and as you go further and further south it turns more into sophisticated stone building. But the point is all that stuff came from the same legacies. Right, absolutely. That's what's amazing about it, right? Yeah. The Dragon Kings. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, I've been all those places. I've been to the serpent mound. I wanna say the serpent mound is really mind blowing because when I went there in 2016 and I went with my wife and I went with Tony Monocone from the Decoders of Truth and we were so blown away by the energy but here's the funny thing about the serpent mound is getting there is really weird because you gotta take some like side streets through like very rural southwestern Ohio and you see crazy architecture like Pentecostal churches and just weird stuff that surrounds the great serpent mound and then all of a sudden you get into the serpent mound and they have a museum at the very beginning of the site and you're not really ready for what you see but man, the serpent mound I think it would be a lot better to see the serpent mound from a helicopter versus being kind of up in the ground. Oh, it's clearly not made for perspective from the ground level. So, this is what we know about the serpent mound and I found out absolutely by the way but this is what I found out and very few people know this. It literally is built by a, what they, again, what they say is a giant meteor crater. So, there's a giant impact crater right in front of where all of this insane, you know whatever was built there in the grass and in the mounds and in the dirt of the earth and again, they think it's 40 to 50,000 years old. Who knows how far back it goes? Very important, if you do go to Mexico and you see Chitinita or you go to the main city and you see the temples over there which are also amazing and the names are skating right now make sure you do get a chance to swim the cenotes. The cenotes will literally upgrade your molecular structure. They literally are so advanced spiritually. There's so much sacred nature of the cenotes that when you swim in the cenotes you're high, literally, vibratorily high for up to 36 hours after. Like, I remember the first time I did it, Matthew. We couldn't sleep. Monik and I were literally staring at the ceiling. You know, like, what the hell happened to us? I mean, it's unbelievable. They're like portals to the underworld. It's like a gateway to this, you know, higher vibrational... And literally in the water floating in it and you're like, what is going on? The water is so pristine. Yeah, well, because they're deep, deep underground aquifer water, so it's like this purity of energy. And I've swam in there before and they're pretty amazing. I think people would be surprised how cold they are too. It's an amazing time to be alive. You know, let's end this though before that. Let's just, you give some of your strategies that people of a conscious mind and a light mind and a vibration of love, right? Because we're all attempting to get to the 500 level of the David Hawkins scale, which is love, right? That's where we're gonna move to planetary consciousness. What will you give people right now watching this on a daily basis? What should they be doing like when they wake up in the morning to when they go to bed at night to again elevate their vibration? Which is all that matters. Starting baby steps. Don't try to take things on too much at once. You'll probably end up quitting and just reverting back to your old self. Take everything in small stages. Say, today I'm going to take a walk in nature and they're appreciated or tomorrow I'm gonna go for a nice run or tomorrow I'm gonna read a book or a new chapter. Just take everything in baby steps and always remember one thing. Everything comes down to if you are being, if you are understanding the level of awareness that you have, when you say to yourself, well what did I do today? Did what I do today benefit others? Did it benefit me? Was it a potential growth factor? Was it something that I hurt someone else? When you're aware of your actions and what you're doing, when you take that stance to then become aware of everything you're doing and how it's affecting others around you and who you are and everything that in this vast universe that we exist in, when you realize it from this holistic perspective and you take yourself out from all these ways that keep us conformed and living in this fear-based system, just make sure you exist in that place where you realize that we're here to grow and learn and enjoy ourselves. So if you're not doing that then go find that. But that doesn't mean you can't play the game. You have to still play the game here because that's the whole point of this. But rise above and be who you wanna be and learn the secrets that have been forbidden for so long because we're at that little window right now where anything is possible. Don't ever be held back by the limitations that you might perceive for yourself. Matt, all I can say is namaste. That was absolutely amazing. It's truly a gift that we reunited for this. Your book is fantastic. Yeah, your book is fantastic. Everyone who's watching this again, and many people will watch this after the fact, please buy Matt's book. Play the game, as Matt said, we all aren't playing the game, but play the game peacefully, lovingly, co-creatively, and realize that we are manifesting a better tomorrow and it's happening literally second by second, now. Right now. Right now, I was just gonna say, it's so important to live in the now. Who cares what happened yesterday or what might happen tomorrow? What matters is what you do with the moment that you're in right now and that's all that matters. Again, Matt, I love you, brother.