 Next question is from foveol the castle. What are the pros and cons of the suicide grip for bench pressing? Oh, I think the name alone will tell you that the Is there any real pro even though I benched this way a lot? Yeah, yeah, there is so it's just a thumbless grip, right? So you're holding the bar like this rather than your thumb around the bar and A lot of you'll see a lot of power lifters and strength athletes and some bodybuilders Press this way and then you'll see other people say you should have your thumb around the bar So what are the pros right what the pros are when you are the the hand placement when you're thumbless? And it actually Shortens the lever just a little bit right so when I grab with my thumb around I'm probably adding You know a quarter inch or or less but a little bit of lever length right to my to my forearm And what does that mean a little bit more stability is involved in the press when I shorten the lever I'm probably able to lift more weight as a result. What are the cons? Well, you don't have your thumb around the bar And uh never happened to me. I've pressed like this before I now I press every time with my thumb around But I've seen people Drop the bar. There's those scary videos where people yeah, where they actually drop the bar and really hurt themselves So there's a high danger factor. I said in comparison I guess with that but there are ways to put your thumb around And also kind of place it similar on your on your palm That's how I grip when I grip my thumbs around But I still place it kind of low on the on the palm when I do my presses and it feels uh, you know I just look at it like most things like it like even pull-ups or Pulling where there's people I do without their thumb and honestly like in terms of having a really solid grip and and trying to Make sure that that's something that I'm always trying to strengthen I'm trying to strengthen this nice tight fist. So that also affects my wrists And and and reiterates a good position there for the force distribution. And so I just think it creates bad patterns I think it's it's one of those novelty things that like somebody makes an excuse for shitty form and that's just where I'm at I mean, I think another another con is that it's you know weak wrist, right? I mean if you if you're resting right there on the bone and you're not having to actually stabilize and activate with your wrist You know could have weak wrist for that weak and even weak forearms the forearms are what are helping stabilize the wrist so That would be another con and I guess pro for me when I would use it is it just felt more comfortable to me And it's probably because it was a little bit easier. I never put that much thought into it So I kind of bounce back and forth You'll see me do most of the time I grip around the bar I guess maybe sometimes when I I think naturally I probably default when I go to like a max lift or I'm lifting towards That I probably break the wrist and I go down in that position probably because it's not it's easier for me Well, let me ask you guys this. Did you ever allow clients to press without the thumb? No, exactly exactly It's just it's just not good technique. It's not you would never teach it that way No, you wouldn't and you know by the way for people listening or like what what difference does it make with your wrist? I mean, look, it's there's a reason why power lifters wear wrist braces Yeah, when they bench press I remember this as a kid I remember when bench press was like the lift of all lifts, right? I would do wrist wraps around the bar tighten it up so that it was really tight around my wrist And I could lift more because it felt more stable around my wrist So so yeah, you you might be able to lift more or feel like you can lift more I don't know how much of a difference it makes because the lever is shorter. Is it worth it? No, I don't it's not going to contribute to more chest gains or shoulder or tricep gains And then there is that that's the increased risk I don't think it's a huge increase risk, especially if you're doing it properly Of you dropping the bar on your chest that sucks. I've seen some terrible videos online I mean if you're if you're already doing it, it's whatever if you're not doing it There's no reason for you to do it. Yeah, right. So if you're if you're there's no huge benefits, though That's what I'm saying. There's no real reason for you If you're already benching with a a complete grip There's no reason for you to go to a false or a suicide grip, right? So I would never teach like you said, that's a great way to ask it Would I teach a client? I would never tell a client. Hey, let go of the bar and let her just rest there And now we're going to do this exercise now I would tell them to grab on the bar and then we would teach them Yeah, like you don't see people do a thumbless grip with the chest press with dumbbells, right? It's the same thing