 Q version of that script, didn't it? Yeah, yeah, I made a Mac version that's that's CPU only. Well, it's doing that. I wonder if you can throw something like that at like like AWS or something and just start using their stuff. They certainly have more resources than I do. A few more. I wonder if I can get that. But that would be even funnier if you brought that on Amazon with a flow down. It's pretty cool though. So yeah, huge thank you to Andre for throwing that together. And he's got some other things in mind for it. So, you know, hopefully we'll give him some time. I know he said he's like, like the rest of us, you know, he's in the middle of a job and there's a million things going on and everything. But if he has the time, he'll he'll, I don't want to give anything away, but hey, this is my version of a safe harbor statement, I guess, right? But that he does have some things planned that sound really, really cool. So huge thanks to him for taking for taking that on and and and giving it out to the community for free because that's really just a beautiful thing. Let's get started here. Oh, man, that's twice. I gotta say, I'm trying. I'm trying. No, I wish that would at least there be a reason why that's happening. Now, I'm trying a different laptop as my second machine here and it's it's it's intermittent. Let's let's say that, right? Jiggle the cable. Miss. That's what I just did. That's what I just did. Back in. That's what I did. I did that as well. I tried all the normal IT remedies for it. Are you from the past? Let's kick this off, right? So first of all, we want to thank our friends at Synthesis for sponsoring Logic Live. They've been my personal reseller for years. You guys have heard the speech before and I can't say enough good about them. But thanks to Synthesis Solutions Development Integration that support supporting Flame Artists since 1997. I don't know how many of you saw on on on Facebook on the Facebook logic the other day, but there was just some sad news. We lost another member of the community. This this past week was Emilio Perez out of Madrid and and Stefan. I never had a chance to meet Emilio, but Stefan put something really, really beautiful up on on Facebook logic. Just another sad news in the extended Flame family. A good friend Emilio Perez passed away three days ago. Emilio was based in Madrid and was a longtime smoke and flame artist. Very well respected and beloved in the Spanish finishing the VFX community. You might not know him, but if you like connected conform, shot distribution, et cetera. Emilio is an active member of the beta program. Helped us dream and build these great workflows that many of you cannot live without. Emilio was a funny guy and was able to quickly understand concepts way before they became gooey in a work progress software in a work in progress software. And was the kind of user writing long emails with notes after a long day of work to help make flame better. Emilio, my friend, you will be missed. Did any of you ever have a chance to meet Emilio or work with him? I don't want to that IBC briefly. Super nice. Yeah, he's a great guy. He seemed great. And I've been part of the beta forever as well. He would always have pretty thorough stuff and constant consistent feedback. Yeah, he was always there. He actually came to Montreal to help us out figuring the connected conform workflow. And he was a key player in this workflow. He really helped us out and always kind and always like, you know, he was a great player. He was always the light on a really, really bright. So it was a pleasure working with him. Anybody else? Was it COVID or something completely different? You know, I don't know. I'm just wondering what kind of impact that's really having, Yeah, it's kind of, it really kind of the whole COVID impact thing really, I think becomes clear when you start thinking about the like the secondary and the tertiary kind of, it's not just you or maybe the people you interact with but the second ring and the third ring, you know, when you really, when you start to think about that you can kind of grasp what a, what a massive impact this whole mess has had. And, you know, here's hoping, you know, I know, I know it's become a cliche now, but with the light at the end of the tunnel, but with the vaccines finally in production. Hopefully, hopefully, right in September. Hopefully it's not a train on coming. Thank you for bringing the room back up where it needed to be Charles I appreciate that. Well, well, it was, I don't know how much experience people have had with like client as a freelancer clients, you know, I haven't done in anybody's facility since for last the first week of last March, and that was only there was only four of us in that office, but actually last week somebody was like, Oh, can you come in. And immediately I'm looking at the phone like, what, what do you have hazmat suits what kind of contact tracing is going on. And it turns out it was, it was just literally me and the other technician that's been like dealing with their place. And I'm like, Okay, when was his last test. Here's my result and, you know, 10 feet so from this and saying, Hey, what, let's meet outside the building. But I really wonder what the impact going to be on that when people want you to come back into their, you know, $40 square foot high price environment. I saw a friend post he's in the film the other day. What's that. I saw a friend of mine posted he was back in the film working. A picture from in the sweet. Yeah. Oh, in Brazil, we voted a worse president than you guys so that's saying a lot man. Yeah, so you can say, see how Brazilian are done. So there are a lot of a lot of I have denied to go on on on on a sweet like three times already I always go, I don't want to I don't want to take those chances. There are people working on site. So, yeah, I had clients actually wanted to have a full presentation, the week before Christmas, and took a lot of convincing on the part of the producer and myself to say no we're going to do this like we do in the 21st century with the global pandemic going on we're going to do this with zoom and all that stuff. But honestly, I believe that what covert is doing to our industries, more like super charging a development that's that was already there. And, for example, I was offering remote work for like since 2015 and I really had a hard time selling that because people always wanted me to get in I was like, Yeah, I can do this from my office for for a good rate and I've got all the equipment and a little work just fine. And it took a fucking pandemic part of my French to actually get that ball rolling so I think it would have happened anyhow just not with the speed we're currently facing it but it would have happened sooner or later. I've been going in every day since the middle of May. Pretty much the only one there. I'm usually the only one there the engineer comes in for a few hours, maybe one or two days a week. And it's, it's the happiest you've been in years is that what you're about to tell us. You know, it used to be I used to look forward to going in on a weekend because I'd be all alone and get so much worked out and now it's like, you know, I gotta work on it. It's like any other day. It's actually it's actually not that great after a while. You know, I kind of miss not having people around. Wow. I was saying the other day I miss my commute. Like I used to have a 45 minute train ride into the city and that was that was almost like like a forced routine. I was trying to work out like I would do it then like that was it was my 45 minutes in and out. And thank God like Fred Warren was up at eight o'clock in the morning every day because like his schedule and my schedule on the train always seem to work out. But I find it much more difficult now where I'm like my commute is just on the other side of that door, you know, to carve out 45 minutes to sit down and get something done. So you lost your buffer. Yeah, right. Well, I'll just show you that low willpower, by the way, I just admitted that to the group. I wanted to amongst friends. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. I can almost taste it. Let's go back if provided of course the laptop number two here. Yay. All right, is working. We got some fun stuff to talk about with the forum or as far as I'm going to thank you everybody who's participated in with the forum. The first thing we wanted to do is is announce some winners. And then winners is air quote because we're all winners here in the Tim Farrell jargon contest. So those of you who tuned in just before the new year when Tim was on, Tim has staked his claim to coining the word conform. And none of us, you know, let's first of all round of applause for Tim. You know, for coming up with something that we both love and hate so so passionately. And and he's never, you know, gotten a penny in royalties from it, I'm sure. So but Tim challenged, he put a challenge out to the group there to go ahead and come up with your own piece of jargon, your own word that will have the same like 30 year staying power as conform is had for for him and for all of us so went through and and and and some that I think definitely exemplify, you know, not only the kind of flame artist spirit, but that have that kind of staying power I think so in no particular order. The first one's going to go to choke hold here. Greg Gilpatrick, I'll go ahead and spotlight this ever we can see a definition is time spent in the liminal space between the for your first hold and booked where the producer slash client slash it department are calling you about a job but you still have not officially been booked yet. You couldn't possibly entertain work from other clients because you're basically booked will let you know real soon in the meantime. Why don't you start on this conform but don't worry it's a lift and get you a booking confirmation when I can and what's your rate again. So I know that I mean I haven't been freelancer in a long time but I certainly remember this experience and I'm sure it's something that everyone in the freelance community can can certainly relate to. So how about a round of applause for Greg Gilpatrick. I'm moving right along. This is from Danny you this one touched me in a certain way and a certain certain place. I just it was something I could relate to this is passing a pineapple definition is working on a fishing arduous task project or task as in, you know, f word buck stitching together those mo co passes was like passing a pineapple you know. And hey after we pass this pineapple let's have a wrap party and get drunk you know. We've definitely all been there. We have definitely handled a project or three that are the equivalent of passing a pineapple so big round of applause for Danny you there for putting into words. He did what the poet always aspires to do we put into words of feeling that everyone can relate to. All right, next up. We have the lovely and talented Kirk Baldwin with his contribution there he is right there with his contribution of wrecking ball. I'm going to read that for the for the all the friends listening at home. Sure. Can you hear me. Yes, sir. Yeah, CD owner founder a member of senior management despite a lack of familiarity with the various stages or comments or approvals must be consulted before finished before shipping and will reliably would demand a hard left turn. Amen. It happened once with the aforementioned owner CD, literally brandishing an assault rifle. So that was drunk. Oh, well, in what other state of mind to people brandish, you know what I mean. Fair question. Yeah, so that was, I didn't stay in that job for long. It seems like the kind of thing where the other party involved should remain nameless but enough of us know who you're talking about that. Yeah, we got it. Oh, I mean the company's out of business now. So hydraulics. I'll just name. Oh, name and name. Thank you very much Kirk for bringing us our first season to cyst here at logic logic live. All right. Next up is a shove from Andy Davis and I love this one the definition is this is the opposite of a lift. When you do a spot and the cut downs include extra handles and or shots so it's not a lift. It's a shove. And I kind of love that. We're going to have a round of applause to Andy. And then I had my own contribution here. We had an expression around the office for a while that was called airtight. The definition is when you're working on multiple jobs at the same time, you feel taken advantage of and have zero bandwidth for anything else, aka when it feels like you're, you know, occupied in every bodily orifice, you know, including your nose and ears. So when someone says you hey you got a second you're like sorry man, I'm airtight right now, you know they're coming at me from all directions. So I will not I did not originate this it was a former colleague at lively and and it's just, it applies to many situations so let's give a round of applause to everybody who contributed thank you very much all. And I have to say something. Yes, I have to admit, I only just got passing a pineapple. Yeah, right. Admittedly, it's a slow build. Well, I have to admit when I read the pineapple one I thought of the old. When people used to go visit turn of the century in the south. When you first arrived as a guest you would receive a pineapple as a welcoming gift. And when you're stay with you when you've stayed longer than you should have, you would mysteriously find another pineapple in your room, thereby informing you it's time to leave so passing the pineapple like the job's done the done the client's still hanging out eating their sushi and you're like, here's your hat what's your hurry passing the pineapple. That's what I nearly thought and then the idea of Oh, it's like a kidney stone. Yeah. Yep. That's wider at the bottom's got sharp edges and you never ever ever remember that there's that like footlong of leaves at the top. Thank you so much. Like I said, the poet out puts it into words. Thank you. So I just want to thank everybody who contributed so everybody on the list here is going to get a logic TV mask after the show I'll get your address and everything send it out to you so thank you very much everybody big round of applause for all. Thank you, Tim. The inspiration. As always. Sorry, I fell apart at the end there. Pretty second attention span. No, that's fine now. That's what makes you such a great flame artist, right? You don't remember all the pain. You just keep plowing forward. So every job was the funnest. What's that? Every job was the funnest one. Oh, amen. Amen. Another big thing we wanted to announce to you guys that Randy and I as pertains to the forum, everybody's been so supportive and we get requests all the time of how can we support this initiative, you know, thanks for building for helping to build out this community. How can we help support the community. And so we decided to take Randy here. Oh, there you are. Okay. I can hear you. I just can't see you. I can see me. All right. Oh, there you are. I got you. Thank you. Thank you. Right. I'm scratching your ear right now. Maybe you must be in a different. Oh, is that what that was? Thank you. I. So, yeah, like I said, Randy and I have been have been working on building a community. Randy's done this amazing job with the forum and getting that going and thank you to everybody who's contributed. And like I said, everybody's asked, how can we help support the forum and, and we've come up with something that we wanted to announce today that we're really very excited about. So I'm going to switch back over to the, the little laptop that could or that couldn't for that matter. Oh man. We might have to switch back to the other laptop. Yep. Well, I just put I'll do while this while we wait for that to come back. Okay. And that is we're happy to announce today that we're launching a patreon. Randy, you want to take it away? Yeah, sure. So. Yeah, the overwhelming response from the communities has been great as in positive. I think there's always different ways for people to help and I think you guys are, you know, there's a lot of familiar faces here and a lot of people who have the bandwidth and time to can to contribute, whether it be. You know, with knowledge on the forum like Kirk was rocking last night at Saturday night helping a fellow colleague out with a with filled frame store. And there's also people that like, can you guys just just give us stuff and we'll pay you. And so this is an opportunity to, to, to give them a chance to do that. And it's not, you know, life changing or anything it just helps pay the website hosting and the server fees and, and, and, you know, some software licenses. There's even more big huge exciting plans for 2021. And, you know, so far when you look at the stuff that that Andy has pulled off. I mean, this is what episode 39. This is 39 man. Yeah, so episode 39 I think there's, we've served up 25,000 views on YouTube 1500 member subscribers to the podcast, a little over 700 members of the forum, like a quarter million page views. I mean, like, you know, we haven't talked about one frame of white we haven't talked about logic that we've done logic fast thank you. Yep. So with like, you know, just being able to kind of throw some money at it each month like we've been able to kind of kind of do a lot at least it feels like, like a lot for for full time flame ups like you guys. Yeah, so what we're looking for is, is to is to do more and to be able to to share every day and to share in all the new kinds of ways that we think are relevant and important given the, you know, the world that it is right now so if you guys freak out, the forum will always be free. Don't worry about that. That's something that's just insanely important to us. And the patrons just something that you can opt into if you want to, you don't have to. There's no pressure I know that, like, you know, for the freelancers out there and myself included the money is weird sometimes so you can always get the help you need with the community that we that we are building. So, you know, this is just a little, a little mint on the pillow, a little garnish on the crème brûlée, a little sauce. Give us a third one Randy, give us a third. I'm working on it. I mixed up analogies and then Kurt gave me this like, like, I could tell he was going something like a, like a like a dyspanias sandwich and I was trying to remember the I just, I totally, I totally. When to see where this goes Randy. I'm dragging this on until Jeff says something exciting and important or like Charles has something else to chime in. So I'm going to wrap it up there but yeah that's kind of what we're up to and we're going to put a link on the forum to the Patreon and we're, this is just a screen grab of what's up there but we've also included in there we were able to get some discounts from from some of our supporters or some of our sponsors over there, over the past, you know, a couple of years. Definitely check it out when you have a chance and we certainly appreciate the support we've got like Randy said we got a bunch of stuff planned we're going to reveal something fun we're going to do at the end of today's episode and, you know, thank you for the support we appreciate it. All right, moving ahead. Let's talk about your flame wish list for 2021. You know everybody always says, and this is one of my favorite, you know, one of our favorite things that when you see either on the forum or are on Facebook logic, or even just when we get together, everybody always has you know some things that they would love to see and things that they wish were different. The first thing I wanted to throw out there before just general conversation is, did everybody show of hands who filled out the Autodesk survey. Okay, good. That's that's that's a that's a good mix. I don't know what I what I thought I do just to bring up maybe as a kickoff point is, you know, the survey kind of asked if you could pick the top three areas of flame you think need improvements. Go ahead and pick them in fact I even created a little poll for that so if everybody wanted to. You can pick three that you thought I'm happy to share the three that I picked and the answers that I gave as long as you guys mean that's okay right. Here's a question on that Andy where would your paint module come in with that come in as a composite item or something in your lighting and rendering because where would the paint module. I think paint would be a compositing tool set. But, and where would file formats come in with that become form, because like I always was a kind of hurdle the time file format and whatnot, media acquisition perhaps. Yeah, I think the file format would be media acquisition. Where is that second from the wrong. I was off the bottom of my choices there. And if you guys are looking for it I also just put a link to it in the chat, and it's on the, it's on the forum called tell us about flame. Well, I don't know if you guys can you guys see the poll and the results and everything or no you can't can you see the results yet. I'm good and not know. No, I can't see it. Yeah, I must have to maybe I have to end it in order to see the numbers are rolling in and you guys are going to be you'll be happy to know that everybody wants everything. Almost equally. So, there are a couple of standouts. Let's see. Wow. It's $100 test. Right. The old auto box test. Okay, yeah, there are a couple more people that haven't had that haven't filled out the poll. I'm just going to end it now just so we can see. Don't end it and it don't know. Oh, you mean the poll. Oh, there you go. So I just published the results. So everybody could see and it looks like the winner is compositing tool set. Followed by that media acquisition and tracking. You can't get it and you can't work on it. Thank you very much. That's a life lesson. I've ever heard one. It's always weird to have polls that don't quite add up to 100%. Make all the sense in the world but you know, yes, you got to do what you got to do. All right. So, so who voted for compositing tool set and why other than Charles and paint. And or specifically paint as well paint. Yeah, I would really like if once I did a paint on a frame and then I wanted to become a sequence and I did like 100 paints I wanted to select them all. This is pretty much it and tracking because I'm truly tracking I want to be redundant but Erie, I think you mean what what you're talking about with paint. I think you mean that you want to be able to paint over the previous frame you used you want to see. No, I want to do. You know, in my case is on the added tab. Once you did like a one frame and you could change all the paints to go to sequence. But you have to select one by one. Yeah. It's really annoying. Yeah, everyone's been there before. Yeah. I think it is exactly the same reason why I chose compositing tool set I want I want to be able to edit those brush strokes at a bulk. Please, please pretty please. You'd think it would be a rather simple thing to implement it doesn't. Well, it doesn't seem hard. Somebody wrote a script to sort it out. Somebody can do it externally should be able to be done included in there as a button. That will be awesome. In an ideal world. Yeah, I have to say Michael's Michael's paint script has saved my. My, my, my as many times. I just do it one by one. I did 300 of them last week. Wow. You know the keys help set up a hot key for to change it to all keystroke. So, other than paint, does anybody have any other compositing toolkit requests. Well, I think we can all come up with lots and lots of tiny little things that you know, I think that's why so many people chose it is we all have a little peeve with something. You know, we all have that peeve of course with the paint. You know, I could probably come up with one for action if you didn't put me on the spot. Like the buffer and they were ordering and you know, the keyframes of priority. How do they even work? You know, who has used frame priority. It has. Oh yeah. Yeah, if you don't want to really use a true Z buffer to get rid and deal with edges around 3D crap that you want them to go in front and behind it's going around. The buffer off with a priority editor is so much more efficient. You don't have to like go jump it through hoops and upstream and multiple. Yeah. I can see it but I've just never used it. I don't think I've used it in 20 years. Yeah, the analyze button is still there. I remember it's been about 20 years but I remember having to do like a particle sequence of, you know, something shooting out motion graphics. And basically, it was like a, you know, the five second promo of just like erupting mo graph. And that was, that was how I did just analyze walk away for an hour and come back and it was working. But yeah, those are not keyframes that I felt like ever. I feel aren't visible in the in the animation the channel at it or other. No, I don't think so. Yeah, I didn't think so. Visible on the little thing if you're in your priority media mode. Oh, but that's about it. And I'm guessing particles and such would fall on the compositing toolkit which is always a big. There's nine million things that could be enhanced about text. Just one quick thing on particles. Yeah, but at Boris have made particle illusion available for free. And it's only a 2d thing and everything but I've used it like half a dozen times in the last couple of months, even if it was just to create like some looping element of something over black like whether it was fire or smoke or whatever so snowflakes snowflakes. Definitely grab that if you get a chance. I think Brian Higgins has joined us. What's up fam plan fam. I heard you guys are talking about Super Bowl commercials I'm working on one right now and wanted to come hang with you guys. Oh cool that's February 7th but wrong. We're in it. How's it going. You know it's a dumpster fire. The people that I'm working on the spot with have hired a documentary style film director team again, who had no camera discipline and so the files are all like 20 minute takes. And I'm having to like they completely rearchitected my servers anyway I'm four hours into the conform and haven't started coloring yet. So, we've all been there. How's it going. So as expected, right. Yeah. Yeah, you're feeling in my basement not in my office it could be a lot worse on a Sunday. That's true. Tim for all your thoughts on that. I got home from work about an hour before this started actually. Yesterday I got to work from home. Oh, nice. Yeah, I do that. I do that every day now for the last 10 months. We were just going through. Yeah, right. We're just going through a list here. I don't know if I can, you should be able to see the polling results of there was a survey that artists put out I don't know if you had a chance to. I did. Okay. So we were just kind of going through and I'm really curious like collaboration and remote review didn't only got two votes. That seems like something that would be kind of in the forefront of people's minds now that we're all working remotely. Or is it just that we've all figured out a way to do it. It's called have a producer deal with it. Here, Adam, you deal with it says give us a little later. Yeah, the idea of actually having client client zoomed in and looking at your desktop. Yeah, you know, if it's posted with nice little metadata, you're saving yourself all the trouble of did their iPad crap out did their Wi-Fi fight the death because their kids PS5 took it over. Yeah, no, I my idea of collaboration is a hand it off posted and good comments and writing. You know, I'm not for that with clients, but I find with, you know, with our own people, I really like to have them watching what I'm doing, you know, when I'm moving that title six pixels to the left, you know, is this okay and they can say yes, rather than we go through an entire hour of posting and they come back and go, can you make it six more? Well, and then they send the notes to him in a in like a PowerPoint or something and it slides with everything typed up and circle them like we could have just you could have pointed at the screen we could have been done in five minutes and you spent an hour making that. Exactly. Yeah, if you're dealing with an editor or a in health producer and they're like, Oh, this needs to be that. Yeah, a live zoom session. In fact, we'll shortcut two hours out of the day but client client reviews via that interface. I've seen way too many colors deal with that and suddenly, you know, at least people are sitting in calibrated rooms across the country or wherever and now they forget that wherever they're sitting could be, you know, poolside with an iPad, you know, yeah. I'm happy to just let producers do that part. I'll let you know, I'll open the kimono is as Charles and I like to say about flame work. I actually thought collaborative and remote review when I filled out the survey was my number one thing. And for a couple of reasons, the first one collaboration was how even back before COVID and lockdown and all that bullshit. Our flames were still kind of islands, even, you know, in the office. So if if if three or four artists are working on the same job and one of them owns the spot, like, if we if we're in a situation where we can use like the the publish workflow and things like that. There's some, you know, there's some automated collaboration, meaning that like renders show up back in my timeline and all those kind of things but I really would love it if there was some way for me to like assign a team, you know, all the artists who are on the network or something like that all the users that are on the network if I could if I could assign a team. So that way not only when I send them a batch group to work like right now it's all manual you know I have to throw stuff in a shared library and I have to tell them that it's there and they have to go get it and they have to push everything back and so even beyond just that a render shows up back in the conform just some way of being able to check out and check in. The batch group as a container amongst the team would be great. And and and along, there's just bundled in with that would be better shotgun integration we've tried to integrate shotgun on a on a commercial workflow you know what not a big VFX pipeline with a lot of departments but just a commercial workflow and it's still at the point now where it's too, there's too much manual work and not enough benefit back you know like shotgun doesn't know what's in my sequence. It would be great if my producer from their office or at home could point at the sequence on my flame and say like okay yes, the latest version of shot 17 is in this thing that we just posted or exported you know that kind of thing all that information is still kind of too locked up manual and my flame or the or in my head. So that was that was mine and remote review I was just hoping for you know our whole deliverables pipeline and everything at lively is all kind of locked in to or built around media encoder and frame I O. And so right now everything still has to go from me to a human being in another location, and that human being then needs to put it where it needs to go. So if there was some integration with those two tools, that would be awesome. I'd love it if we could stop paying $1,000 a week for Soho net or whatever it is they're charging us. It's great it works well but like it's it's seriously $1,000 a week for you know we could have bought a job boards and all TVs for everybody by now and we're like well what's the alternative just pay for it's better than zoom rented them an apartment. Yeah. And that's for one. For one room right when one room's worth yeah that we share it's it's routable so but yeah. Oh dear. Anybody else struggling with deliverables. Just MP for us just MP for us. Yeah. Anybody struggling with deliverables in the color space problem with quick time. Yeah. Yeah, because that's what I'm finding you send them a file and it's milky and it's not really milky it's just what you're playing it on all that jazz. There was some Randy there was a post in the forum right. What was his name I can't remember his name who came up with a script or utility or whatever that strips that out of a quick time. Kyle Kyle yeah right. Yeah, no it's a it's a massive problem I think just people aren't either either I've been insulated or just lucky but I think the. It's just, yeah, there's stuff you can do but there's no way like, you know, Firefox doesn't do anything but Safari does if it's just, there's just no. There's no way to deliver a great experience for clients without having like an incredibly ridiculous conversation about everything it's like who the fucks got time for that so it's just I think we all need to know how to fix it but just. In the meantime we're just holding our breath until it's it's better, but it won't get better it'll just get worse. I'm going to look at it on the iPad by the pool. It'll all be fine. Exactly. You guys are using frame I oh do you compensate for frame I oh or you just put the file there what it is what it is. Just put it up there because they could download it and look at it locally. What browser they're choosing like, you know, like, like you can have a separate folder for all three or four browsers you can have a fifth folder for them to download and and seventh and eighth for what look like. You know, who's got time for that. Yeah, same for us we just kind of throw it up there and just. If it's a problem we walk him through it but it's like cheese. I went through a stage of putting a web version on frame I oh so they can at least get it closer to what broadcast was going to look like, but you're right it's just you know who's got time for that. It's a can of worms too right because you just sort of introducing like uncertainty into the process where people were like oh but this is what it's going to look like and then are you telling me it might not look like that. I'm having a flashback to we worked on a spot for Verizon like years ago. And that red, like Verizon red showed up as like five different shades of pink and sharp and and and puse and it was horrible like you know I remember having like the client in the room and showing them on one laptop like four different browsers. You know, and then here's your movie in quick time seven and here it is in quick time 10 and trying to explain to them that you know what came out of here is good and that's all that we ever have control and it's just. Oh, you just just never you can just never you can just never leave that conversation. Should I open the can of worms and say why bother with a million dollar calibration system. I didn't. It seems like you did. No I mean look there's different there's different levels right like there's there's certain people that that their entire reputation business model is built upon that. And then there's certain people that are I think if you if you care than you invest and if you don't get away with it. Like, great I think you know it will cause someone to lose a job but you know like Andy was saying there's just no way to walk anyone through all that and just not look like a complete ass. It reminds me Tim of like way back in the day where you know you send it you send something to someone and they say it's outside of title safe and it's not it's an act or whatever. It's like unless there's a cohesive statement from all of us at the same time, someone on this it will just all one of us will just like an like an ass clown so there's just it's just not a healthy helpful situation you know. I remember the first pillar box spot I ever had to deliver. This is back at like the birth of HD like 2008 or something it got bounced from whatever one of these goddamn companies, you know, decides arbitrarily in the middle of the night what is and isn't acceptable right. And we got on and it was horrible course they don't tell you they call the agency and let them know that the spot has been bounced if Brian shaking his head and he's sweating now and his hair is falling out from like the. I remember getting on a on a conference call with these people and they were reading to me that their specs their specs indicate that this delivered for this deliverable qualify there must be image. All the way across the frame. And I kept saying them there is image all the way across the thing it just happens to be black. You know, like how this was on video tape to it was like in D five or something it isn't like there was some way to not have pixel information over there. I've had knocked back on a continuity error. Seriously, seriously, optical continuity or his animation at the time was. It was a shot of a horse and cart coming down the road as a wide shot and then there was just a jump in the animation and they knocked it back because they could because they could. That one guy in the TV station in the middle of the middle of nowhere at three in the morning was feeling his wild oats and wanted to make himself impressive so he rang up the boss and they bring up your boss and that's how that goes. He's the he's the one who actually read like the FCC rules and according to like you know chapters article seven sub chapter six as the authority vested in him as a representative of the FCC, he's going to bounce this spot. I gotta say, I love how much easier it is to fix all that stuff with digital deliverables I had early on in my career, probably 2004 or so we were in the process of stealing the Dell account from Optimus because Chicago and it started with me running an all day smoke session doing this big graphics intensive like, you know, laptops wrote it out whooshing everywhere and price points and all that stuff and they were going to do this thing where they were going to run it with a different 1 800 number in every state right so 50 different 1 800 number versions. I did an FPO version with a 1 800 xxxxxxxxx on the bottom, and then also delivered to it was either a DG fast channel or extremely recent time, a numberless version. And, you know, 12 hour marathon, 25 years old think I'm a God when I finish it. Get a get called in the next morning. I left one frame of the 1 800 number on the 1 800 list thing and cutters $815,000 in duplication and reshipping charges. I remained employed somehow. Oh my God, into the owner's office fall on your sword beg for forgiveness and you might live and I'm still here so. But yeah, now you just do a rolling replace the file and no one ever talks about it. Jesus. Yeah, I've been there. I remember one place I worked at that tape went out blank. Like they actually sent it. We worked for like the full weekend on like a title sequence for some movie. Oh my God, I'm blanking on who the director was but the director had like a house in like the East bum fuck district of Maine like in the middle of nowhere. And they had to fly a VHS tape by courier to his house. And when he got there, the tape was blank. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm excusing dubs. That's for sure. Yeah, the real story is he had a head clog on his machine or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. It was only machine only had two heads instead of four. Damn it. Oh my God. Well, does anyone have anything else that they wanted to comment on or share on about the features, your feature requests. I put in text and particles just try to do my part so you do diligence. You know, I just had a stupid thing happen over the last few days where I'm bringing in a whole shitload of short little bits of raw shots from big three minute takes and they're all shot with four or eight channels of audio. And even when they're mxf even when you bring them in uncashed, it still is really really slow if you bring in the audio. And there's no button to just say video only you have to open it open it up you know with the double click on the multi button and then scroll through the audio tracks till you find your single video track. It's, you know, there should just be a fucking button video only, you know, it's simple shit like that and there's tons of stuff that I think we could go through and say that about just simple shit. Fucking button request. Yeah. There's a jargon for you that's a PR. That's it. One thing I would love to have is is the ability to in batch to use one of my context points as a tracking source. You know, like, if I'm ever doing a beauty shot, you know, and the beauty shot kind of builds over time it just gets more and more complicated that by the time I get to the 11th action node or whatever it is and I still don't need to track zits. I'm now tracking everything behind it to or it's calculating everything behind to so without having to pre render it or whatever. Like how you can pick a layer that you can context is like the very original source clip. And then yeah that'll be C1 or something like that. Yeah, that way it's always fast exactly. Plus one that. There you go. That's a great suggestion plus one that I will then you know I will post the post the feature request. And then we'll put it together in in the forum. Thank you, Christophe. Does anyone have the need to want more screen real estate like to split the screen up into more viewers rather than just having four. I would not only second that but I would love to see one of those big wide screen monitors turned sideways, so that you have a big chunk of real estate down low for things like your timeline, a big chunk up high for things like your, your menus and stuff and then it's still that plenty of stuff in the middle for, you know, what we would still use on a 21 or 31 and screen 27 or. Most of you guys run multiple GUI monitors. I tried it that wasn't happy with it. Yeah, but do you do have two monitors in your system. Yeah. When I had a trash can. Right, I did temporarily and so I tried it and I wasn't happy with it. Right, so a feature request would be to be great to have floating windows for example you could grab the timeline window and drag it across to another screen. Exactly, that would be much better I thought I was too too restricted with the multi monitor setup that seemed to come here the package. Because I'm looking, yeah, because I looked at the scope box the other day because I great a bit in flame, but I don't want to waste a whole viewer window for the scopes. So yeah, went for scope box but it was not accurate so it didn't work very well. If you look at the Adobe model where you can drop menus either inside of their frame or outside of their frame or. And if you have a 21 by nine versus 16 by nine monitor, provided you can drive it at the right revolution, you can even open up separate tab at the same time. So you don't have to. You can have a timeline and be in batch. There is a shortcut key I don't know if a lot of you guys know there is a key sequence. You press used to be I don't know if it's still there but remember the command control F8 would take you to the hot key editor or something like that. The command control F7 would take you to this editor mode of the of the GUI and the interface. That was a red line. With the red line and come up and go oh my god I'm in the wrong mode or something. The menus. Yes, I remember that. Oh my god. Customize the UI. I remember doing that. I remember making like a render button like this big. It's a great. It's an excellent joke. We made a split the disk button and in the action with that one. It actually went into the dot CFG for action created the button and then out of the graphic for it. Yeah. Perfect. That's when there was a lot more real estate. Well that's when you need to have your custom fish or we had their own custom fish and the interface. Yeah. You know you do the icon dot around. The auto key color whatever is. That's still the all the Victor Lansky auto keys. Turn on anymore. You've got to know the hotkeys for it. Yes. Like the secret menu. Well cool. Well I'll certainly go ahead I'll take you know what I'll do after the show is I'll take the things that people have brought up and I'll go to flame feedback and see if they're in there and if they're not in there I'll add them and then I'll just post the links. On the forum so we can upload them. Cool. Alright well thanks everybody. Well we're coming up on the hour so I just want to shift gears and show you guys what Randy and I are working on for the end of this month. I'm just going to let this image speak for itself I think it I think it says it all. It's out of focus. There you go man so we are going to bring to you all the render dome we're super excited about this on January 30th this is coming to you live from the Boris effects arena which is really just the computer that they do streaming from and Brian Fox's house but. Andy Dill and I are going to are going to go head to head and try to do ordinary things but in an extraordinary way so basically like we've heard so much feedback from people about how they love one frame of white but. I'm not that kind of artist I don't come up with things like from scratch or I don't have a time for that we have a time for that so we thought it would be phenomenal to take. Like take up actually Randy gave me this idea years ago and it was a couple years ago of doing like a flame like like gladiator. You know so kind of like live I even maybe it was like two NABs ago or something I even looked into renting an eSports venue. Where we could go and like have flame artists kind of do like 10 people try something at the same time. But it didn't work out so we thought it would just be kind of fun you know to go ahead to head and so it's going to be Andy versus Andy for the ultimate Andy showdown between me and Andy Dill. Aka Mill versus Dilcus. Thank you. And it's it's it's like I spent I spent all of like middle school trying to escape from certain nicknames and now they're all coming back so thank you. So yeah, the way we're going to do this is Andy and I have no idea what Randy is going to cook up like he's going to send us both like a password protected zip file of a clip or something. And then live there on the 30th he's going to give us the password. We'll take a look first look at it and we'll have to do something and we'll see how it goes. You know and just like who's line is it anyway you know the points don't matter. You know everybody wins everything's made up in the points don't matter everything's made up at the points don't matter and I think at the end of the day it's just going to be something fun and iron chef like iron chef flame exactly and like you. What kind of camera are you using now Charles. Oh you know I'm my face time. Shit the bed. The other thing I the other thing I flip between my GoPro nine as a webcam sometimes because it's really really nice and you can do it wirelessly so you can take it out on the balcony with you. You know, you have to actually sit at the computer. Yeah. So that's going to be on the 30th you know we'll have a little we'll have some more little promos to build it up but I hope everybody will tune in. We're looking forward to a very active, you know, a peanut gallery. A heckling is not only welcome but encouraged. I have a feeling with this really the whole reason I tricked and doing this is so that we can talk shit to other artists while they were doing it and not just results because like. Yeah. That's what I miss most about cove it is just like, you know, just shit. Yep. It doesn't work so well over zoom. That's bullying if you're online. Right that's cyber bullying. That's right. If it's real time it's okay. Yeah, well that's what we're you know we're aspiring to do is to provide a safe cyber bullying venue for our community. Well for the last week the internet's been pretty quiet. I don't know why but it's pretty quiet in terms of that. Yeah. Again, stay tuned for more stuff and thanks to the guys over at Boris effects for technical directing because I think we've calculated we need something like eight, eight different feeds in order to make this work. So it's going to be pretty. What are you using for switching and what are you using for switching will Boris even a hardware. We're using Brian Fox at Boris effects. Exactly. Oh my God using v mix. But that's a whole that's a whole other thing but we're making graphics it's going to be a whole damn thing. We're also joined by a co presenter Amanda Elliott's going to be. Oh that's right. With us talking trash. Yep, it's going to be great. There'll be color commentary will be play by play and at the end it'll just be a lot of fun so we'll tune in for that. And then that's pretty much it. What else do I have here. Let me bring up for you. What am I doing we totally forgot about giving away masks. One second. Oh my God. Let me do that real quick. There. All right everybody. We didn't have that many people join us this week who have not been on before we Patrick came on Patrick. I try here. Represent. Gotcha. Let's see here. We have here a random name picker which is brought to you by looks like Purdue University. You're into learning how to make chicken. That's definitely the. We're losing a congressional race. Exactly. Thank you very much. So let's see here. Let's see some of the finest JavaScript animation you can possibly get for free on the Internet. This is not flash. Oh Miriam already got one. She's not even here. All right so we're going to skip. We're going to pick another name as our game show music shifts into another key. We should just give it to Mr. Frennit for actually being here and not hanging up on us. Hey Patrick. First time winner. Excellent man. Congratulations. Excellent. I'll get you off the in-laws Patrick. It's my father-in-law's birthday so we just had some food. We're all good as I'm zooming and toasting everybody. Thank you. Nice. All right. So thank you everybody for tuning in today. I know I really appreciate it and thank you to Yasmin and. Did the other guy leave? He did. He did. All right. Well send our regards please. No. Thank you for tuning in. I appreciate it man. And it's always great to have support from the team at Autodesk. So be on the lookout for the feature requests that I submit. And let me just show you what we got lined up coming up on the old logic live as I hit my microphone with my hand. Okay. So next Sunday on January 24th we're going to have the much delayed synthesized for Flame with Eulik Tarkanov. January 30th of course that's a Saturday by the way. It's going to be Render Dome 1 the Battle of the Andes. I guess the winner is going to have to fight Andy Davis for the ultimate you know Andy's supremacy. And then February 7th is the logic Super Bowl show. It's Super Bowl Sunday and I thought it would be great if everybody came on and just kind of talked about the Super Bowl spots that they've worked on. Everybody has a story. And if you happen to have like a breakdown and everything that would be great. Or if you just have a YouTube link of a spot you work on that would be great. So I have one Sean Cochran from the vanity is going to be on and he's going to share one. I think Randy said he might have one. So I don't know if I have a breakdown but I will be broken down by then. We have to tie it in. 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