 Here. Here. Here. Here. Mr. Brennan. Mr. Mcdowell. Yes. I hear him. Yes. He murmured over here. Here. Yes. Brevor Mcdowell, can you give us a word of prayer from, from your, your home office? Yeah. Be trouble God for all that, that is among us, all that you've blessed us with. We simply ask that you might surround us with your love and with your care. Undergird us with prayer. And yet under girders with a sensitivity that might continue to forge forth. A resilient city. And our city that is filled with purpose. We ask it in your name. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. And council. President Mcdowell, you are, I guess, continuing this is like a part two that is going on the follow-up items, with our new tax budget, but some very important items. And encouraging you to strongly consider from the internal perspective of the community and our city, but then also some additional programs that I'm very important to many of you and ideas that you have that we try to incorporate into some recommendations. And then we'll finish the discussion with an additional item on the person who sales real property. So with that, we'll get started with the general capital project. This is the top and budget program manager and grant director. Of course, Jeff and I will jump in as needed. Good afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Wilson. This is an ongoing conversation. We've been having a lot of you all. So today we are talking specifically about general capital projects. You see material, there goes, I think we just had the extra copy that we didn't have any powerful today. It's just really you and material. I think that's really fun. So today, a lot of what we're talking about today is general capital projects. It's really good stuff to have the opportunity to talk with you all again about our special residence. There's a lot of things that we'll be talking about in the record. I'm talking about some of our special residence. I think we've gotten into some of the things sometimes during the budget workshop, like the value of living on people, talking a little bit about what they are eligible for and used for, especially in some of the other industries that we don't typically talk about during our budget process. We will also talk about our general capital project, and how it compares to projects and programs, and how to update or the American Rental Act, and the opportunity manager recommendations, and how to commit this with cover of the Community Relations Program that was discussed with you during the budget process. So first of all, in regards to special revenues, special revenue is the reference for the department of government, those revenue streams that are generated for a specific purpose, that is by law, whether by state code or city ordinance, designated for specific purposes and functions. This includes hospitality tax, education tax, state-owned tax, and so on, the regulatory maintenance cycle. It also refers to grants. Again, grants are also designated for specific purposes. Grants will initiate a grant program. We got a monthly grant, a weekly grant, and a grant to be utilized in which the grant was awarded for. It means a grant, FEMA, DOJ, a bunch of things that the government does. Several of the projects that are being proposed are potentially eligible for some of these special revenue streams, as well as grants. And of course, part of what we also want to talk about is current year commitment for budget. The operating budget and how much we can take the operating budget, but also to those things that will have to be for commitment in future budgets. And we like to often refer to one-time revenue, one-time expenses, as we try to stay within those guidelines as we are considering allocations from different financials. The hospitality tax revenue, we want to familiarize with the hospitality tax revenues through the Council of the Igologians and the hospitality tax community. We want to make allocations for grant programs that can minister through the hospitality tax funds. And of course, what we're going to know are to be utilized according to state law, which states primarily use for tourism. Tourism-related buildings, cultural restoration, on the normal security, highway trips, three some bridges providing access to tourism destination, advertising and promotions related to tourism and water and sewer infrastructure related to tourism. So again, hospitality tax, which seal taxed as a software lawsuit is specifically for Mountain ни towards有沒有 city, The second part of the law also states about there being at least $9,000 in accommodation tax collected, which is $3,000 in utilization for the operation to the maintenance of those items and facilities directly attended to those facilities that are stored in the living room. Any questions about hospitality tax? We've generated about $4 million, total of $15 million annually in hospitality tax revenue here. Getting a unit for parks? Yes, that's our creation. And we have to do done it. We'll be using the more number of parks project in the past as well. Do we have a percentage breakdown currently? H tax as far as infrastructure, local groups? At one time, the allocation to account is running about $3 million, about $13 million, about 30%. And then we have a debt service which is running for debt for city facilities. We also utilized it from some of the greenways out there to help fund it by hospitality tax. And then we also need to transfer directly to the general fund. The line that it makes is these are additional $2 million, about $3 million. So really that number is closer to $5 million. On the H tax groups? Okay, so it's $5 million, that's three. The transfer to the general fund, do you use for public services? It is used for public facilities that are eligible for H tax. Sometimes that is pleased. Some of it is also to support how it works. Facilities, partner creation, as in other ways. Any other questions about house salaries? Data combination tax? This one is a little bit more relevant in terms of a rule or more specific with this archival. Again, city needs a lot of accommodation tax committee, which is also set for state laws. This is referred to as a state accommodation tax. Often referred to as local or state accommodation. I won't talk about a lot of this, but there are two there. The state law is very deliberate in terms of how the funds are going to be used. $25,000 directly to the general fund. 5% is for general purposes, also used for general public services. The remainder of the 30% balance is used typically for, you'll refer to that here, that referred to as advertising funds. It's to utilize for advertising information of tourism and the rate of tourism development to increase tourism. And of course, 55% is also used towards the rate of expenditures. So 30% is also called out in the state law, and must be allocated to specifically a chamber of commerce, convention of business or a regional tour of information. If those don't exist, you can also, the municipalities or families can create non-profit organizations. One of them is about the state accommodation tax. So how much, I might know the fair use based on usage, but what's the average amount that we get every day? Oh, well, I'm sorry. We collect around $2.6 million of the budget projected this year for state accommodation tax. And that can be used for parks too. It is. And restaurants, right? Yes. So under the 55% tourism-related expenditures, state law includes eight different categories of what is qualified as tourism-related ventures, which include advertisement and promotion of the arts and cultural events, construction maintenance and operations of the specific cultural activities, criminal addresses, or law enforcement, fire protection, solidarity related to tourism facilities, based on an advertisement percentage of the cost of this, that's directly related to it. And that gets into a little very specific issue of how much of the funds could be used that way. Public facilities such as restaurants, restaurants, parks and parking lots, shuttles, control room here, waterfront erosion, and then operate with a visitor information center. So I think Councilman Taylor asked about restaurants. Can it be used for restaurant incentives? Restaurant. Restaurant. Yes. Got you. Got you. My other question. Can it be used for restaurant incentives? We talked about that. We've talked about rebate, those types of programs as a restaurant improvement. That's a good question. More for our city attorney. Her visit to the accommodation. So just a little bit more. Yes. I mean, one of the things that they can. You talking about the 8x? 8x. Wrong. We're on the 8x. 8x. Not 8x. Just age. To clarify. Age. Age. Question about age tax. Yeah. I would say as we're all aware of prior years and seven years, these funds have been allocated primarily to two organizations. I would say if you're going to come through here, I would encourage you to join us. Thank you. I'm going to start with that. The last one is in the 25 years. What other items that we can use to make combinations such as the church community, the tourism community. The city is required to empower agencies. We also have to repeat the budget from the orientation to which the funds are allocated to see, and we have to have a community that we use the allocations to network today, for example. The, the TIRC committee was one of the reasons why the city decided 15 years ago on whatever to start dividing it up, 85, 15 to experience Columbia and America country, because the TIRC committee, I don't know if it still is, but it used to be very aggressive. And cities like Myrtle Beach and Hawley's Island and some of the others always had a problem with the TIRC committee telling them they couldn't do some of the things they wanted to do. So that's why, one of the reasons why the city of Columbia settled on the 85, 15, they knew it was approved. So there's a lot of impressions about the tourism, the TIRC committee. We do comply with the requirements and submit our annual reporting to the TIRC committee and say that's all on this problem. Who's on that oversight committee? I'm not of the familiar with who's on that committee at this point. I think it would be very helpful for me to get staff to get a who's on that committee, what changes they've done with other communities and any of their updated spaces or whatever they put out. I think it'd be good for us to know that it may be good for us to get in front of them and have a conversation about how things are evolving and what's going on and how people are leveraging different funding sources. Could you provide us with our last work session? Spending plans from other communities in the Netherlands that will own lots of other things. It's just the same thing we're talking about. Not at this hospital. Commodations. Next is the tourism development. This one is not one that was not often in our budget process. This is the local accommodation tax. The tourism development fee. The fund is established by city ordinance 5 of course. It is also a 3% accommodation tax. It's very similarly as state accommodation tax. We generate about $1,000 a year in these revenue streams. These funds are being used for one of the COPS funds. It's also support of the Conventional Minister's Bureau of Statistics on that point. The Conventional Minister's Bureau is five or six months of this year. What's the COPS fund? That is typically a situation that is what it will be conventionally. Are there any restrictions on that? Tourism. There are all restrictions. Is there a need to be an author for tourism? I think some of them need to stay open. If you can use it on the state accommodations law, you can use it on your bills. I have a question about that too. My question is for parks. Is that an eligible expenditure? My understanding is if we document it, that's part of what we need to do is we revamp convention center documents. Because in 1231, the dynamics are changing. The partnerships are changing. If that's in the county, it's going to be part of the convention center. Yes, that's correct. I believe we can utilize it. It might depend on the park and who is realizing that part. So I think we've said this before and we'll have to have some public statements as to the public use and the tourism part of that. We actually passed the ordinance in 1996. There's some stuff in there that addresses this. I'm not sure if it's actually in this presentation. Jeff, let me make it easy. It's specifically family park. You know, downtown. Jim. Remember, I am not legal. He put the answer by his answer. Okay. We got the tourism development fee passed before the local fiscal authority set up the local accommodation tax. We treat this as the local accommodation tax. Do we have to meet the requirements of the local accommodation tax? Or as Mr. Taylor said, are we a little bit free or can use this money for other things? We've got it on the books before the fiscal authority. And I don't know the answer. I actually thought the same thing and I don't know why it's never popped my head. But as y'all were talking about that, I think about how we passed this in 96. And then Missy mentioned local accommodation. And it's something I'm going to need to go and talk with. Teresa Knox and probably Michael season just to verify. He may have addressed it. He sent me a lost in draft last week while I was out. I was aware I had received time trying to read it in between meetings today. So that may be addressed. I can get that report today. I'll let you know if not, I'll have the answer shortly. And the other part of that, excuse me. The other part of that question is since this is our local accommodation tax, should we take the opportunity since we're going to be making changes anyhow on some of the documents to now start calling it the local accommodation tax because we don't, there is a tourism development fee in the state law. And we don't qualify for this. I think I mentioned earlier. I'm not legal. So I don't know for sure. That's a good question. So we're looking for that. Now, if we were some of that kind of come to the level. Yeah, I think as we're working. We'll be starting budget coming back up in the next few months. As we're dealing with that, these are all good questions that we want to address later. So we know what direction is going ahead on these things. So I'll work with Theresa mox and we'll finalize the answers to those. I had in general, but if we meet the requirements that were written in the ordinance from 1996 that we, and if we were utilizing the funds for family part, I don't know if we were going to make any changes. We may need to make some changes with that agreement. But the convention center is there and that's what we're using. But for family part, if that's what y'all choose to do. I can general, I do not think we would have to change the name of that. But again, I'm going to have to do some follow-up just to make sure of that. This is also a state-established law that the city has to pass. We also have done our 50th budget because much in our budget process as well. This is basically the, it's referring to the state law as the temporary government. So this is a little bit of a statement. And it's very specific as well in terms of legalization for those time specific applications. Marina's going to have us a mid-marina on the river. Of course. Constantly truckers. Constantly truckers. Also, time is interesting because this has never really disclosed us before about the local youth mentor program. Because it was always, to be quite honest, it's always been portrayed to us that this is only being used for historical renovations and everything else. But there's a lot more flexibility in this. So as we discussed, this could be a good source for us from year to year to do one time. Sure. There was the last significant, the current significant allocation of these funds for the construction of a formwork studio, a grant for construction of a formwork studio, as well as an allocation to renovations for community and municipal associations. I'm interested in time. Robert, Tom, Melvin. How much is left in the account, man? Because I think those are the only two that are. Right. We often utilize the funds for short one-year-old care to the city's short homes with our capital returns. But I don't know if any of you have a look at the shares recently and none are requested at this point, Tom. So I think we're here to kind of improve that. Yes. And what I would say is, you know, I think we want to, depending on what the last four years look like, we probably won't have a portion for that. But there is a little bit more flexibility we have to look at in the future. I think it's like $400,000. We collect about $33,000 a year for one-and-a-half dollars a year. I would say, too, in the past, the city staff has recommended that we reserve 10% of all of the equals to the revenue in new funds. However, Tom, that's like we have in the general fund or other revenue sources, especially since the majority of these funds are utilized externally to the city. For instance, the year in which the COVID had been not had some kind of hold adaptive, Tom. You know, allocating is about 100%. You know, allocating, you know, I understand that you don't call it all revenue. We are then faced with decisions. And the organization should see those funds as well. And that's how it's been recommended. I think that it does. But yes, there's a specific reference to new audience for local youth menstrual programs. So our juvenile offenders are known to be jurisdictions that have a court. It's important to point out, you guys, that the revenues may not be used for operating incentives as opposed to revenue sources. This really is really the purpose of the travel fund. What's the purpose of anything you need? To block it into your travel. Being something you just kind of, you know, kind of add to those. The destruction of prostitution. Destruction would be? Portail. I don't know if I read that again. I read that under parks. Yeah. You can do a marina in parks. And the public restroom, which is a hot topic. What's the source of opportunity here? I will tell you after being a city on Saturday again to that. He's grown, grown and growing. Modern new vendors very sweet. Any questions about this? You by having questions at this point? Follow-ups? No, we've got a few items to follow-up. You by having anything else you'd like to ask? Call me. Moving on into the proposed general fund capital development. As you all may be bringing a look at the budget discussions when you have to operate in budgets, you also accrue budget for our enterprise funds. And we'll run two more storm waters. And parking time. The general fund was focused kind of for another time for now. So we are looking at our general capital project now. General capital projects are, there is activities that are related to feasibility that are not operating on fire stations, police stations. Those for being able to make up our primary budget. Our general fund is supportive activities. We also, and then in the capital approval program, the city has a threshold that determines what is eligible for our capital approval program. The city has a threshold that determines what is eligible for our capital approval program. Which is a $25,000 or more. It's part of the eligibility as well as purchase or construction or otherwise that position of an asset that adds to the city. Overall, this is what the city is. Amazing in those are operating funds, whether it's general fund or water and sewer funds. Capital outlays. Those are operating capital. Those do be those things that are $5,000 or above. And are part of an operating budget. When you go to an economy, people are going to take it with them often. Part of the capital operating budget. And so the major difference is the threshold for the outlays. The threshold, it has to be in construction. Addition to the facility. I don't think major for any kind of improvement to the building. It doesn't make a difference to that agency. So with the water sewer course and full-on talking has a different state. It's still a $25,000 threshold. But the kind of construction for the government program is the reason the capital budget. Future year is just for planning. It's intended to show you future needs and future stock. Future capital needs. The first year of course of capital budget. The general fund in the last three years and even further back. Generally, we have funded the general fund project. We have a capital fund Christmas program for our general fund. It's funded through fund balance. And sometimes that's what or in some cases we have issues that provide for the general fund. The general fund operating budget is probably one of the area funding for capital improvement programs. In terms of being able to have some recurring funding that's not part of fund balance that's more to address some of our capital needs as you'll see in that request. Are there things that are to meet the threshold of capital that they have some recurrence to in other countries. It's a schedule of upgrade for our business. Our HID is being funded. We're going into the slides and also the title slide is very small. So the capital improvement program of course requires the department that has submitted capital improvements through general services which are support facilities and so many other forms. Our department through department contract reactions of course again year one the first year of the request in the future year is going out for five years. Some projects we have some funding allocated to them that what you'll see on here for those projects are the additional funds needed to complete the project. The HID does not initiate a capital improvement project or award a project until all funds are fully reviewed and allocated unless the project is somehow phased out and specifically has some kind of line of demarcation where you can phase out the construction into the project. So typically you're not going to see anything on your own or anything that goes out. Construction that doesn't have the funds will be allocated to them. Let's move into all the details of the different projects for audio questions. There is a city manager who runs a project in this project and then you can see the questions about the list that we put out to you. Next in this part this one is being discussed today in part because of allocations from funds that are going to be put down but also to continue our conversation. It's a list of planning of a project and I should describe them to you in a material. These are projects that I have made. They are also discussed with quite my data. We've included in the project as well projects that are most likely a capital type of system but also some things that are programmatic. We want to be able to talk about those things in that kind of context. As we talk about those projects that the city manager put forth and they're funded. We've put it on the general funding now it's being put up into the capital improvements. Does that need to be voted on for the final list? So this list here is just a culmination of some things that have been voted on or in progress. Some things that have been discussed but may not be voted on. They are voted on either by the capital program or the city council desire to make these allocations to the further data that is added to your discussions or next week city council meeting. So approval for consideration and you approve either the higher general capital project list, just as you need to want to do more. The other items on the list you could either let them know separately and vote on the final as the individual project or allocations. So the goal of the day is let's get some direction on some of these. So the further in progress again this is intended to be a comprehensive list probably every day we go to see something else. So those things are in progress. I think that have been funded by the city council or just major projects. So you can now think that there is one source. Also the thing that was funded by the city council a morning was funded through the public person's voting that we just elevated this list as well. The last point I will be talking about is some of the things that are more programmatic that you mentioned and then my attempt to make some suggestions to you that pulled. I would also add that operationally these projects don't reside on this list but what they are rewarding is funding or an asset. They are either funded or supported based on the funding tools because it's a general capital project and we have a general capital project. We have two round heads and one to a fund. So again this is just a whole management of a project. So again this was not meant for support from on this spreadsheet. I did break it down into two different lists. The first section that's in the package is an employee that is our items that are primarily one kind of capital. I'll have the printed out what was in the package. It says package page 10. It's the third sheet on the spreadsheet. Is it in the one with that? No, it's in the one provided to Yeah, it's I think it's gone. She just handed it to you all. I think you did also gave everybody a copy. That was powerful. So much bigger current. So again this is the first project. It was a variety of projects. The ones that we probably wouldn't want to spend more time on today. And again when we come forward with recommendations. They're prepared in the sense that they're still pending some additional allocation. And as you mentioned the project is moving forward whether it's out of town or and we really would not go out of our chairman on any of them. But we also have a city council when there's some total projects or programs and programmatic activities that have been brought forward by city council that we try to acknowledge and capture here as well. Again it's either for continued discussion by city council or potential approval or decision by city council or regular So this is like if you want to go through these projects for a specific year if you want to go through and get to my can we go through it and I think what would be helpful is we have the top portion is in progress so those are all moving maybe good for everybody to get an update where this project Can we do that? Just a quick run I think it'd be helpful there's a lot of these things that have been going on and the transition to this time of council I'm sorry I'm not going to look at the canal It might have started to come but we should work our way down canal and bank and the headgate just gets really quick update for this week of don't need to take the next So I'll be brief and we do have an update to push out on social media but starting off with the alternate we received a building resilient structure grant over $32 million out of 75% of the project 25% is to be funded by the revenue part of our CIP that was allocated last year for $14 million so that money is sitting in the bucket ready to go 100% draw is complete we're in a middle of our environment with the court presentation we're getting as early as this December for that project we're still on the water supply yesterday also now the bank again the scope negotiated with FEMA it's not for a dollar amount it's estimated between $40,000 and $40,000 we've negotiated a scope of work so if there's cost escalation that cost is covered no cost to our rate payers we are in the middle of and nearing the end of the environmental assessment and as to working preservation assessment that FEMA is going to use hoping that our redevelopment in September we have 30% drawings and we can't move forward with the completion of our design until the environmental assessment work is done what's the time frame for those designs to be completed after the bugs and bunnies are done yes sir, after bugs and bunnies we anticipate completing designs will be at the end of this year moving into bidding February timeframe of 2023 we hold that bidding time frame construction completion will be June of summer of 2025 can I ask you a general question to reply to this and the rest of Missy, would it be possible to take and do this stretch it out five, six, seven years where you can estimate when the spinning is going to occur and so we kind of instead of having to ask every year we've got to kind of what your projected timeline is and I think every project that's working for that already well what's great about that is that it's kind of to the manager's dashboard it'll fit perfectly in the dashboard that's fine but again I think part of this would be it would show when you again expect to expend certain funds you know like I said we'll have to do that with all the I think for the branch purposes as well but I'll just do it for this whole chart if you can for the three design packages being did that's one there's separate funding sources and they have slightly separate ones as well the third piece is the canal head gates which was through HUD it was a CDBG mitigation award $8 million dollars allocating that replacing all 12 head gates 60% design complete we're in the permitting stage of that and the environmental assessment that's a little different since it's HUD regulations versus FEMA and PERC hoping to bid that late this calendar year as well as they form as well that has a construction completion of June of 2020 so we'll be easier those are the first three I'm answering questions that you might have thank you Collin the brief is a FEMA it's a FEMA grant but it's specifically the PERC grant the city was the state's only large recipient of that grant and one of the largest of the entire grant program across the country across the country and the largest of the state's very so that's important that we apply for everything we can thank you thank you Gregory Tucker has been our general manager so far in front of me perfect thank you Collin I'm going to ask you to come up for the next three and we can jump in she has made it on general assistance and the DMT CAD with the PDB systems which I know you are extremely happy with the plan the first one was the statewide security camera statewide security camera project we anticipate we've obviously been behind schedule with supply issues with the chips and some of the components of the cameras we anticipate our early week of September push in meeting with Wilson mayor we all would like to be there to talk about the scope of the project while we're done some deliverables in the near future and some of the in September the initial cameras will start beginning to be installed and how to continue to progress and we'll build a layout more of a timeline on installation how long it takes to solid one and both of them will do more of a demonstration of capability for you all to understand just the significance of technology in October see just I think the end is yet so we have gotten input or plan on getting input from emergency situations in our hospitality districts about the placement of those cameras so we cameras are predicated about from that in our now that that we've done we have strategic employees in the location obviously we do quite a bit in our district and we've also placed those in concert with some of our LPR license plate readers they kind of complement one another but one of the things that I think is going to be very important how we were able to scale this program up is a public private partnerships with our business community movement with them we are transitioning more to live feed we're kind of monitoring a lot of the businesses to ask us about the technology and the type of cameras we're providing and we've been providing them any other questions around the camera project that will be the demolition which we allocated the $570,000 of American Renovations Funding and I know that it is visually that's a lot I think we're just finishing up some of the asbestos studies in abatement I believe we're on the day as far as knocking them down I actually talked to him today about the funding for this and he thinks it will be pressed to get all that done with that amount asking if he's going to need more money efficient for the number of demolitions that they have and the capacity they're not going to that will be $80,000 $68,000 those we is it a grant or forgivable loan or what we just we had to the reason I'm asking we just talked about different things at one point we were talking about we put it back on the market recommendations is we put a lien on it afterwards and then come back and forgive it once people re-invest in it is a way to keep it from that money would recycle it some more if somebody doesn't pay yeah finally finally forgive to forgive the lien you encourage because what we're having is if you look at some of the more challenge areas there's no incentive for the city to continue to move forward we can top yeah that's an example okay we don't know how that to be honest with you I didn't say I just want to make sure that if we give it and be incentive that we don't forgive it until after they have free yeah yeah I think that's the purpose so we people will take it depending on the funding source, the art fund they're allowed for demolition but the purpose is not to seek a lien and be refunded for it's just kind of separate the art fund and the demolition and I think David got there telling people we're not coming after liens we're doing part of this funding but the best is to do demolition so we do do the liens on those typically in the normal course we do get liens but I know it's not the purpose but it's just something that prevents the fact that well actually that's if you do it and you make it within that four year time extended that's not the case so I think we need to clarify that because we've looked into that before because within the peer profit the four year time period of offer money is still considered operating at that point and then at the end of it so you could put I thought my understanding was there's a time frame to put on getting those properties back and then to the market to do their solar things within like a 24, 36 month it's specific specifically for demolition special provisions just for demolition let's confirm that and then let's bring it back so we can make sure that we're all looking forward and just to my clear what you're saying is that our understanding is that we cannot wait for liens for the federal funding for the demolition the federal funding comes with lots of requirements and it also affects for the future use of that property so that's the kind of cash for using the federal dollars for demolition and we can we're able to use the property the way we want to it's not our property it's not our property because all we have is a lien we're not we don't own the property so they would take back $80 to $300 which would cost a fair amount of when we forget it because I think the properties are challenging if they have the money to invest then they can do that but what we don't want to do there's a lot more blank slight let me just say I think it's a real help so a lot of these folks that can't sell a piece of property that may have a burned out house or something on it because of the cost to demo it now puts them in a position to sell it and we get the infill and so I think it's I think it helps the little guy and helps the city um your responses need to be recorded in the future thank you hey I'm taking it from the boss lady over here in the corner and she says no thank you well maybe two more keys are and Harry isn't in here but I know y'all are all working on these purposes of the cat you know for the EOC the installation of the Mylar window and perimeter fencing of the EOC and CBD say the Mylar is complete cats in progress and you may want to focus on the fencing the testing is a very important item that we discussed and planned for really over the last year to finalize the planning and where to finalize and start poking some holes underground in the next 45 to 60 days and complete the project in the next three or four months this is a headquarters and also at the EOC y'all speaking code I knew the operation after I heard that it was the education oversight and and then I'm going to jump down to the floor drive the police and the recruited admin facility up there so we completed the floor drive this facility recruiting, hiring and the one stop shop to talk about and budgets we're very excited about that we completed the drawings for I'm not minimizing but it's pretty minimal you know there's great curb feel outside looks great we don't really think there's anything other than sign inside we're having a few walls up and closing a few creating a couple of offices but it's going to be a fantastic facility where? down assembly just past the cross railroad tracks just past like the old lines all the old stuff back that real nice building there's a sewer project I think going along okay there's another floor drive yeah it's not the one for others I just want to make sure this is not XC you may want to touch upon just you know that was just rounding out I'm just looking at all the plan depending once there's the CPD head but that that's a bigger discussion and kind of an ongoing discussion some planning I think that'd be a potential property but this time we don't know where we are and there's a potential we can kind of where we are and expand and buy and if the lock is behind headquarters would be some better um okay thank you cheese let's jump back let me tell you the part we have that is I don't know if that needs much explanation Henry but you want to give an update on where you are number one priority that we've had in staff I think we've got a presentation that we'll get to shortly of coupling some of these funding forces to try to get this done before Henry we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we are can I ask just tell me if this is not the appropriate time we're not do not recommend that we put the money only part this year should we cover that that we can get down to the recommendations I'm happy to Yes. And then the building. So we have been working diligently on expanding our facility. We have been seeing some capacity issues. We have been working on outside, which has been a challenge for some of these communities to expand our facilities to accommodate the work that's being done in child and social. And for the record, I want to make sure if Jim is listening to me, we keep working with you on projects. Don't say you're not getting this. We're trying to get it going. I want to say, for the record, I am excited that we're going to be in the fleet. These are forgotten heroes in my book. These guys are working late and I'm making sure our fleet and our public service and all our vehicles are being taken care of. So I just want to make sure the work conditions are right. Yes. They are one of the leaders and person that has been over there working very hard. We've got to get that done. We do have any others you want to speak to you on the progress of plan? Well, and we, I guess the mental complex, obviously. Council, we'll hear from chairman Taylor for economic and develop community development committee. We had a report today or a meeting today. And just that's just very briefly moving forward with our staff or it was counseling and ideas that move that forward. And this is the court. We have some team paperwork to be done to include some recognition work for the rest of the community. Thank you, sir. I want to be a fire station. I think it's just as she is here. I don't know if it's Stacey or any of y'all in the city that I would say that the name of our fair is finalized in the location. The MIT, MIT branch is a funding forum. And we want to say within that budget that I found there is now possible. You know, I think this item has some things that we need to probably discuss as a group involving where that location is and where we are probably not in this setting, but in the near future. Okay. Did you want to speak a little bit? That's what it is. It is what it is. And we're on the hook for that. But I think if I do, I'm going to touch this and out next phase. I don't want to add up. You need to speak from the podium. I didn't think he was going to end up. We approve the funding for that funding. However, the plan itself still has to come to us. And that's where every time they're going to be working on. And Robert, and as they bring that forward, we'll bring that back to y'all. So everyone knows that that was clean. I'm talking about the next round of parking? Yes, sir. Are they in process of planning that now? Just curious. That hurt. So I believe that they are. But I don't know what to what extent at this point, because we get it out today from Robert. I think it will be very helpful for us to understand what they're, what they're reading and how that is in conjunction with the construction. We're moving on into the proposed project. We can keep, you know, sharing some updates as we go. A lot of these you're going to hear about here shortly on the recommended list of Clint. Can come up perhaps and talk about the assembly. Great separation of all the efforts. Lots of great effort going on with this federal perspective with the plants that we worked in. And gotten some feedback from them that we think they're promising. They're asking a lot of good questions others. Ralph indicated that he thought that was a good time. And they could not be asking questions. So it sounds like they're working at us at least in the process. So you couldn't want to add to that and then move on to beautification and clean up preparation. So we're delighted to give some responses to our mega and input grant application. We got those on Friday around midday. There was a list of questions with a deadline of living on Monday. We got the answers and all indications are as Miss Wilson said, it was really, really good news that they were willing down and asking some very specific questions that we were able to answer. So our fingers are calling that was very positive for us. You also they are submitting for the coordinating council to get into the process of moving forward. There are other grant applications due in October. Christine and a few others they have some real separation. And they can forward also so you can apply for the opportunity. So I mentioned. So you want to speak about beautification. And I think that would both you can put beautification and cleanup program and then the gateway signage that we sent some briefing notes to the council with their packages on Friday. And those very important. The beautification policy community that several weeks ago we talked about the different things that we might be able to do. Robert presented kind of a buffet of alternatives and then we drill down and are coming back and then we'll be asking for some specific funding, but it was provided to you as a list of things. Notably potentially looking at people in some of our staff away from the more hospitality oriented districts and possibly letting them serve. So with a tax allocation that the potential so that we can report our staff to other things. Utilizing contractors to most some of the large open spaces that we're using staff right now and that of course would come at a cost but that would free up our staff to do some of the more detailed work. We need to be done on we obtain some costs for from contractors to clear the degrees we can spray or curbing from main thoroughfares coming into the city. About four times a year working with that that would allow us to get the curtain to be such shade to facilitate payment. We are meeting on the 16th rather than joining us with the D&T commissioner and the project manager and stuff to talk about how we are going to address this because I have been very in tune now about how we need to get to the capital city. We have to start acting like it and that we need to have these therapists cleaned and maintained and we need to have a better working relationship to leverage that. I also would like to say that as we start to formulate this, we need to take advantage of all the garden plants. I've had five garden plants come up with this and all of them to help through their grants, investing, cleaning, maintaining and teaching as part of that. So you want to make sure that we can address that and I think the other forms of that is to get that opportunity to visit with President Smith at CIEU. And last year they had 2100 folks starting their campus and go through our community and do a cleanup. They did house cleaning, they did cleanups, they did gateways. He would like to join forces with us and work out through their connections and our connections to do a cleanup day in Columbia. Like hey, every business, everybody, we got this Saturday a massive cleanup across the city. Clean cleaning and everything so that we all can do that. As we build this, we need to take that into thought process and plan something for fall because I think everybody feels the same way. We've got a beautiful city and we're hiding behind weeds and overgrowth and trash. Mayor, when you were speaking to kind of that public education, I heard y'all speaking about, you know, educating citizens about their response to the current. Well, and to be honest, some of it is ourselves. I mean, one of the things I'd love for us to see is, you know, by the ballpark that we own is completely overgrown everywhere. And that is a gateway to everybody coming in. We need to go ahead and cut that, get that cleaned up. But I'm taking the DAT out to Monticello Road coming in on the gateway. You can't even see the turn signs or anything. And that's a state highway completely covered up. So, you know, these are the things we've got to start maintaining along with fixing our signage. You know, the job is caught and still has the capital place to be from 1978. I think it would be great to really, I do think it. And DOT has committed to taking down a lot of these complex signs that we have and really have enough. But we have a great opportunity to really make Columbia shine as the capital city. And I think we're just working together with everybody and bringing all the parties together. We can actually have it. But this is a big deal. This is one of the single biggest things that people have constantly talked about. I don't care what neighborhood you are, what corner of the city you are. If you're a business owner or there's the same conversation going on on the job. So, I think, you know, whatever we need to do to make that happen again, we need to be committed to the city. Mayor, I hope that I put in my scan of the beautification proposal that Robert and the team put together. At least seven items. I think they captured them by everything you just said. In some states, in the fact that there's something that you all have what we, you know, want to really embody some doors to tell us which item we need to add. And the recommendation that will come in a second, I think, would accommodate a lot of them. Clay, do you think our proposal would be about the street sweeping? Can it be done steady enough to really get on top of? Yes, sir. I think shedding some of the work of bush hogging, if you have a large open area, having contractors do that, that's a problem for our staff. They can reduce those. Harder to contract out. And what's going to change the project. But I think we need the street sweeping. All right. So. Just as a question. What the mayor was talking about. Like our street sweepers. Can we run them on like 126 at that bridge coming in to clean those curbs up? Or do we have to get to permission? Yeah. We have a pretty good relationship with DOT. And I think as long as we do a notification, I think we can work through that. But we're not restricted, I guess. So more of what we are. Please tell us that you're doing it. But I think those are good points. Because I think somebody else around the table at some point that brought up Robert and Reg as well. You know, all these gateways that are coming in, we're seeing that same. And I think we're going to be on the schedule to run that sweep or clean those curbs. You know, again, I want you to just make sure I'm picking up every third Thursday on one thing. Anybody else wants to volunteer? They're going to teach us how to operate. I really wanted to. I wanted to try it. I did want to add an interesting question to the email about this. One is, I think we need something. I don't know the cost, but we need some notes. We need a note down. And I do. So note down. We have a lot of key areas that people are dumping over and over and over again. But we have no time. I think that if we could put, and I think I talked to me today, I think that we need to put some more time to show that we have an expectation for people who are not littered in the areas that we know are pretty common. And I'm talking about in my mind. It's Herbert. I would add that the legislative committee will be under the state house. My being hard to get. God's ways right now are limited. I think if we can get it to about the knowledge and people start getting some tickets, we're going to help eliminate some of that because there's a lot to talk about earlier. As you know, when I see them on Luther King every morning, three, you know, Stoke Street, Cherry Street, and Down Hyde Street, the same lot while it's going there to clean up every week. And I know you're seeing it in several areas of the district. But we've got a lot even more to raise that so that we can have something effective to stop it. You know, we don't, you know, we don't have the time to, if we need to focus on what the city is going to be doing, I believe by today and especially in the years of individual poverty, making sure that they are maintaining the property. Yeah, we talked about signage. Yeah, let's talk about signage. Yes, sir. Yes, let me just. I just want to piggyback on this street speech. Good great street sweep and of course dumping. That has become a volume of issue within our city. And I think you've viewed some of those places where dumping violations has been. I mean, it's just been terrible. It's good to hear about cameras, but I think enforcement becomes an issue. If the legislative committee is going to issue out tickets in the amount of a thousand or higher of a much. And of course in our neighborhoods has become an excessive problem. An excessive problem, folk are dumping where there is no lighting where there is no cameras. And of course when they are called, we just cannot slap them on the hand. It has to be some stiff penalties. It's happening all over this city. And I think it's important to note to a lot of us who don't know where those dumping sites are until we are notified by someone in that community. So please, let's make sure that if we are going to talk about street sweeping, if we're going to talk about illegal dumping, we need to make sure that the same teeth we put into that dog to aggressively pursue these folks. We need to make sure that all those elements are insured. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. So yes, sir, we'll move on to talk about signs. I know we've got some really good ideas. And I had to come up with our own concepts. Welcome to Columbia signs. I've been talking about quite some time. We got cost estimates that range from one and a half million dollars to $100,000 different types of signs. And so we have feedback and so Robert and I, and Robert would be, we had to take care of a lot of people. So we collaborated and we've come up with an idea that we want to pitch to all of you, see if you like this, if you want to follow with a certain rule, we'll use it at the rule of counsel. But my thought is to hire a design consultant and help us come up with a welcome to Columbia concept of durable material and develop three different classifications of sign, anchor sign, if you will. Because then you constructed a brick and a living layer or metal inlay on the landscape and light. We're estimating that one anchor sign would be at a $600,000 range. It's in a line. It could be could be multiple. But that would be a key entry points into the city. Carry that same design theme, that same concept to smaller, we'll call them category e-signs. It could be deployed at many other locations and then have a third category of sign that our sign shop could actually make that would mimic that same thing. We could put that in the client. We need to put that back out. I'm just going to be honest with you. I spoke to several cities who have everybody's focus on the gateways and entrants. They're spending significantly less on really good-looking signage. The materials today and everything else aren't at numbers. I'm going to be honest with you, it's a high. We grabbed that number out of this guy. We didn't want a lot of all that mayor, so we grabbed that. But if we had someone help us with sign design, help us specify the materials, they would come up with an estimate as well. So, and we shared an example with you all of what the ballpark would be. And I noticed it had to go out to pre-care men and we do it that way. But it sounds like there was going to be more than $150 to $200 range with the maintenance costs over time being something we need to factor in. I like the idea of three different versions, but I think we also need to kind of regroup on what we're envisioning for this. The conversations that I had with you all is that it would be nice for this to be consistent with some of the signage that was created for the NCAA tournament that seems to also be in line with experiencing Columbia, something that could be timeless and won't change as city administration and city councils change. So, I would really push for us to use the approach of the signs that are some of the examples that we have shared with you all. Yes, man, some of those, we had Carlson that went through to the 200 and a little bit off-lighting in the landscape and we do want to build on the durability of those materials as well. So, we're not constantly maintaining, but that's certainly a good option for us. The idea that I would add, we probably have two or three of the top sign companies in the world, headquartered in or around Columbia. I think for us to go higher and design something that likely would be made by them would be a redundant expense. I would suggest that you contact them directly. I think there's no magna. I mean, the easiest and simple and most transparent way to put the thing is to put an RQ out and ask for submitted designs. Yeah, I agree with that. I like, you know, the local company that can design and actually create designs. If we can try to figure that out today, can we like just kind of figure out what the capital amount might be for new sign for them and set that into the budget and then figure the details out? Yes, sir. We've got an amount that isn't asked. And the two of you are going to be the competitors. But we can absolutely put together an RFQ and put that out for the manufacturers. I just think they've got in-house design. And as far as the competitors did, they can ship all of its confidential. So one group can't steal somebody else's design or whatever. But I think it will be the way to do it. It's got to be normal. I don't want to break to Taj Mahal either and other things, but there's some really good material out there today with some simple signs. One of the, I'll make sure I send you a copy of it. It's simple, but then it just draws you to it. And it's adorable. It's adorable. The three different categories for the budget. Let's figure the plan out today. Let's just figure the amount. That's going to take more than you think. If you do the A sign, would you have an A sign or a one sign? I can't agree with you. A sign is going to be expensive. Well, yeah. But you're also going to have signs like if you go down Beltline right past Sato's. We got an old sign again, but it's just a sign. It's the colors and everything. But you know the Lexington County or what the York County and see the world. We ain't doing that. We don't have to capitalize the whole thing in one year. And that's a good thing. Maybe a one, two, or even three year spread of the month. And so my recommendation would be, you know, skipping the design consultant as well and going straight to an RFQ, but then also seeing if the classification makes sense or if it's more of a phased approach. Because there's 18 gateways and probably won't do all 18. But if we can have the five to seven major gateways taken care of in the first three years, I think it's going to be something we've reviewed it over time. Because I think we're also moving towards the whole less is more and getting rid of some of these extra signs. So we want to be very intentional about not having too many. Because you also want it to be an attraction that people want to come take a picture. Right. And they want to, they want to stop by and say that they came to Columbia. So having a more conservative approach is something I would access to consider when it comes to the larger gateways. I don't think we need to have it at every major gateway. Okay. I would have fun that you could even switch from there on the cloud. And then there's this, they have the gateways. So if it is made to close, I'm not sure how many there are by now for the city specifically. Yes, sir. I think it's close enough in the OG where we're absolutely cool. We'll think about that anywhere. Yes, sir. And we look forward to their donations to help. Thank you. Robert, it's back. I'm sure you covered it all, Clint. Thanks Robert. Thanks for your report. We appreciate it. We'll give you all the money you need. Thank you, Robert. And Clint, thank you all so much. Thank you. There's a significant amount of this. The list of your packet is a list of both public and friends. I just separate them out. I think we're still on the plan and propose to be with the cultural affairs office. Can I just ask a technical question? When I look at these, they're operational expenses. They're not capital. Correct. And that's the programmatic. I know. Again, this is just a technical question. We approved an operating budget, correct? So these will be changes to the operating budget? If you fund them with fund balance, we would amend the budget. That would amend the budget. If they're operating expenses, the budget would have to be amended period. Correct. And then if they actually have that on the slide going forward, if we fund them, if we try to incorporate them into the budget that's already approved, they either have to be approved. The general fund is allocated. So the only way to be able to allocate, the only way to be able to add to each of the general fund without additional funding would be to re-apply. That's where I was hitting my question. If we get on operating expenses, I mean, just can already approve the operating budget. And again, this is no commentary on finding these are good or bad. It's just a technical question. I mean... We're going to sort that out as we hear from you all which funding source that you want to... Okay. So one option would be, in the previous points that I've been, it's okay for adding this into our operating budget. The first question would be, do we have space in our operating budget anywhere to add these? And the second question would be are there things in our operating budget that we want to drop out and add these? And the third question would be, do we want to add them in this year? And I guess you could identify an additional funding source or you could decide the operational expenses we need to add them next year. That's correct. I mean... There's a line... No, what just gives me a tad bit of a cause for concern is that we're talking about capital funds and a capital budget and money that we've set aside really for capital projects. Now my suspicion is, are we going to talk about taking those capital funding dollars and switching them over to operating projects? Some of the projects that you have put forward, some of the items that are on here, they would be operating because therefore we would have to deal with if you're funding from the fund balance sources, then yes, it would be, you know, the fund balance relative to an operating expense would then impact your operating budget more or fund it... And it impacts the money that's available for capital expenditure. That's just... I mean, I'm just a little bit puzzled that how we move from a capital expenditure process into an operating process. Well, I think it's because we've got to help you all sort out what's available to you to send something without also sending everything. I mean, that is not the recommendation here at all to send down fund balance all the way. But I do think that there, we're in a year also when we have some other revenue sources that have done fairly well, whether it's HTAGS or you've got some other things that don't have anything to do necessarily with capital but they could potentially serve us well with some of these other items. All right, let me share a different way. Consequential needs for capital dollars. When you agree with that, parks, family park, just general facilities repair, renovations, and so forth. It just gets from a process perspective. It just gives me some concern that when people... I'm not talking about just generally, just human nature with a face with a choice of something that is important but not things versus something that's an operational thing. We tend to go through the things that are operational and may not put the reserve of the capital that we need to make our city a more beautiful and better place. So my question again is as we move forward, especially if there are reoccurring expenses and we're taking one-time months perhaps to fund them, I mean, is it better for us to look at adjusting our existing general fund budget and prioritizing it and maintaining this so we can have better-looking parks and better-looking streets and spend capital. Again, not talking about what we're doing, spending the capital on our structural and needs or is this the better way to do it and say, okay, these are things that have come up operational since we have a talk and we're going to make a choice today or whether we're going to spend our available funds on capital or we're going to take some of it and do these operations. Again, I don't know the answer. I think we need to answer that question. It may not be this year, but if it's not this year, we don't sure we need to do it before we go into the next year because we do have some default maintenance issues and some capital issues that I'm just not so sure unless we start to begin to resolve certain things that we're going to have the funding to tackle things like without going into long-term bond financing. And I will just tell you, bond financing for maintenance cap-ex is not something I don't think we want to get into. I mean, huh? Yeah, it's like spending all the dorm money on all other things and not redoing the dormitories. So it's just, again, I just think it's something that we need to be cognizant of when we're doing this because we've got some serious capital. I just thought, so I'm thinking at the top of this, I'm thinking we should finish an audit that's doing budget fees and there's a comprehensive major project for programs that have been requested by or that's for state council. And I think today is the day to kind of get all our teams with all of this and regardless of what area it may be in. But I think that kind of needs to know obviously we can't do all of these and what the council agree on which direction you want to start to go to and say you're on your position. My recommendation would be we go through the capital projects and again, I don't want to change the pattern but my recommendation would be you go through the capital expenditure first and you allocate the capital you want to allocate and then if you have the naming funds left over you would then look at operating things that you might want to put additional money. I do think it's somewhat dangerous to just think. But again, are we going to go through the capital funding first and then look at what's left over? My recommendations are on your name. So it's out of $50 million or so of fund balance that I never recommend you spend all the way down. My recommendations of $50 million in the capital project I'm just now talking about don't the other programs are things that just council in what some shape or fashion have brought up that are more programmatic and so we didn't certainly want to ignore those by any means. But yes, I think we were on the full list because you all have to go through the full list. To be honest with you, I wasn't planning to go through the full list. I was going to jump to the capital but we ended up going through it. I think it's helpful to get content but our next page is where you're going to find our recommendations and my recommendations start with the capital. I'm not going to draw but we're going to talk about the general capital project and also talk about the programmatic the programmatic item to come up over the past several months. So to say and then definitely allocations capital projects are easy to find the capital project to become part of our capital program as well. We can either continue to finish this list of anything and we can go ahead and jump to capital in the general one if you would. We finished the planned capital list at the top. Those are things that are already found. I would argue there's a gateway the command bus patrol cars and other stuff like municipal quarter or capital crops. I would agree with that. The rest of it is what I would call programmatic. That's the council and I think we need to switch over and see what the city manager wants to really suggest. I'm happy to do that. I just think it's important that we realize that we have capital needs and then there's programmatic things and that as we move forward to be as disciplined as we can to maintain those capital dollars for the capital needs of the city. And I think the city manager is going to do that on the next page. This one. Let's go to the three pages. While you all are getting to this page of your memo that was focusing on the thoughtful, quickly about the options which might give some context. What we try to do is give you the different funding sources. Obviously your fund balance is where you're going to find my recommendation which I think is in line with what we were just discussing with Taylor about really focusing on these capital projects coming out of your fund balance first. Then we try to write out some things that we can help with. Let's place a priority on like gateway signage and beautification and so on. And apply funds under the various categories and there's some legend at the bottom where you can intentionally use other sources of funding outside of the fund balance. Obviously police patrol cars and one officer with a car program is something that's very important for us to get funded as well. What we can do now is jump to that and that will help you all help, but we can help out the funding sources that are in addition to fund balance. But fund balance is where you're going to find the $5 million in capital needs that we recommended first. What is the cost of the remaining of the proceeds? The cost of the existing fund from some fund staff that's high over the years and we utilized it when we utilized it. Let me see if you want to get the amount remaining for that. The remaining amount for the concrete of the fund is $4 million for the funding for the originally set up side of the resolution for the district department of construction of the district and a lot of I think the funding for those funds to I think that will be in that district. We can go online online or we can go online if you want to ask quick. How are y'all like to proceed? I've got 30 minutes. I have two questions. I like everything that the city manager recommended but I'd like to have more information on the office of gun violence for the $893,000 in kind of like an explanation of the $500,000 for grant services contract. Let me take the glance. There was a time I love this part of me with some gun violence prevention. Did you learn how to say today for example, I'm really excited about the potential for a NASA and 50th grant application that we submitted and for this industry project federal program, the grant big grant program that we really have to help us be competitive. And so we did that with mega and 50 and a lot of our work and staff that we had to go out to DOT and utilize their components that are already working on the industry. So there's going to be some additional dollars grant dollars that we can apply for. That's just one program, right? So with ARFA and some other indications that we're getting a federal government near regimen and his business and with comrade the mayor who's learned several opportunities on the horizon whether it's an energy or HUD or DOT, whatever it might be we wanted to be prepared and have the right expert who can be on the ready to help us apply for those opportunities. The involvement of 1000 is not an allocation that there would be a retainer every month. It is more of a set aside so that we can use in certain categories and I'm sure that was open on the other side. We had an RFP process with these grants, these grants that we both applied and we broke them out in categories based off the different subject areas I mentioned. And so we're prepared on Tuesdays in California that are going for the recommendation for you on a vote on a grant consultant team that would be on the ready to be to help us apply for those opportunities and then apply for the opportunity but they only get paid as we as the opportunities are identified. Just to set aside money that you absolutely and it's critical it's beyond critical we were talking about this in February if you remember in our retreat one of the things that we identified is there's so much funding and the majority of the application and the time we were trying to hire somebody we would miss the opportunity and so we went through an extensive RFP process and RFP process to get the right folks to be able to help us and get these applications done and a lot of these folks who used to work in the agency so they know how to make sure the application is set properly and how we get it in making sure that we have advantage of it because one of the things that I spent after being in Washington at the White House and meeting with the Secretary especially when we had a follow-up four and a half hour call and we found out there were so many opportunities that we weren't geared to apply for that we needed to go after along with DLE commerce I mean transportation just this grant we're putting into four different application processes. I think my concern was it was 500,000 but it's a pool of 500. It's a pool of 500, not 500 lying out of budget for a grant file or something. I'm totally fine. It's a pretty good question. If we're not going to speed them out we would do task orders as I said as the opportunity presents itself. Again, here's the recommendation. We have it under grants and grants. It is a variety of sources of grant here and the work that we're doing is on that. All right. We are in the general capital projects as we're looking at or we're looking at both of these projects. I asked you if you want to go down the list. I've been here. I want to make sure I'm answering the questions on the right. Minister DeVolgoff just a couple of suggestions and a question. I would split that into two years as Wayne got the money to fix, if everything, you know, in other words, by the time we get to the summit of HVAC, we have, I think it might be out of date. So I just would split the part of those lists here and part next year. Matt, I'm looking at Stacey because he's the boss on that. That works for you, Stacey. I'm lonely. Can you come for me? I'm sorry. You don't want Ms. Hammond after you say it. I already had a price for that, but in the past, we did a loop of the valuation, and what it did, what it did was change those rates, but it was bad. It was a chance to claim and focus back, but that's what this valuation was going to be for HVAC. Just trying to get a game plan. If you think it helps you more to do it at one time, I'm fine with it. I just don't think we're going to be able to get to it all in one swing, so I was just going to spread it out. But whatever you want, I'm doing it. Okay. That's 53 buildings, isn't it? That's a lot. All right. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next one that I've got just a quick question about is... How far is Stacey and Jason? It's still in park. I would really like to see us out of either ATACs, preferably one of the local others, a crew of no less than a million to a million and a half bucks towards that program and get that on an annualized deal for where hopefully we can finance the review in a short term and a shorter base. So I'll get Jeff's recommendation on this one. Because you're not recommending anything, are you? No. You're recommending the 19 that Tim's only gets moved before, but he allows the resources that you're talking about. We don't have 19 at all. Can you explain the bond? I understand that, but I thought this was an allocation of our dollars. Yeah. Well, it would be at this point, it would be recommending funding exactly, I think in terms of your return to the combination of the variety of the revenue sources from the special revenue combined with some what's left to do a short term financing. Okay. Let me see. My recommendation on this one today, let's just say you wanted to do a five year or even a seven year deal that what you're doing is you're approving enough each year to get the 17 million. You follow what I'm saying? We won't get the commitment to that aside from the different sources. I understand. If we don't already go live, sir, is that we don't? There's some already. I understand. I understand. From a budgeting perspective, we're looking at reserving funds. How much of our existing funds that you want to, let's just say for example, Mr. President wants to do a seven year bond, not even a seven year bank deal. Yeah. I'm using this as an example, Alex. If you want to do it, you can do a bank deal. But if you want, but my point is simply, it's okay. Then over the course of seven years, if it's a 20 million dollar, I'm using a 21 million dollar project over seven years, you need to approve three years each year for seven years plus the interest cost. So coming out of our funding that we have available this year, how much of that would you want to approve for Finley-Garner as well as coming from? Let's start with the funding. I don't know why he does that. He simply has told me exactly how he wants to do it. Let us do that. I thought it was for year one. We have several different sources of funding around this to kind of screen several. And they can couple different ways. Cash funding up front and then issue a bond for the next six or seven years. Okay. Then either way, how much of that money do you want to put in the capital budget for this next year? Yeah. So I don't have the exact numbers. I have the instruction set up. This is what can we do. I can come back. I don't want to. That's what you are doing. This is great. That's why you're so comfortable already. I know, but my point is simply if we take you want to go ahead and accrue something now. Oh, you've got to. Right. We have, you need to come back with a recommendation of the source of where that's going to accrue in a dollar amount so that we can have it lined in and budgeted so we know as we're moving. That's right. You should budget it out. For seven, for the next seven years. because you know that money's not going to be available for other deals so as a placeholder what number do you want to put in there I don't know if I can give you a number today I but this is how we're going to do it I can buy next Tuesday easily I can have the entire number but before we approve I'm in there oh we're not approving it that's fine and I was gonna say is before we get nods and everybody's gets happy about spending stuff if you're gonna take three million dollars out or if you're using an example three million dollars of the money we have available for this year we're going to prove it independent part I think you want to know that you remember that you're looking at available is reduced by that number that's what I was getting at what's so that's all I can say is very many dollars from hospitality reserves and put it towards simply pocket the point over can be from hospitality reserves it can be from accommodations tax I'm just seeing the number there but what's cool is I don't think the ATAC number is own out of the funds as far as we're concerned I don't know about it so I didn't see it what's through the email anybody you don't not stay in the logo that well we can't commit that so after that's right but I mean we can we can put a placeholder on that's what I'm that's what I'm comfortable well I guess what you decide is the dollar amount that's all I said this year just so everybody knows I think what we just went on all of that out down to the point where we just want to know and concept you all agreed with the fact that was gonna be the next for we don't have to do something that I will be the next question was you know how do you however you ask that in a work session everybody smiles it wants to move it forward I'm looking to see if you're smiling right here yes left here don't don't don't say I'm gonna receive that is that's that's not me done he said I will just congratulate you on that because I think that is the really a really good way for us to be working the capital brand that's going forward on the on the River Park bandstand when we take that at 8 tax all right and then the only other question I was done below I do think we probably should separate the judicial restructure cost from the from the facility monthly model on municipal no issue with the amount I just think we over separate I think we're better off with the animal shelter looking to lease a new facility old grocery store or one of those facilities where they can endure that's closer in the town better than trying to piece you know without this we're calling about $500,000 in here for that and at that rate we're better off leasing a state that has full-time facilities in the works and using it and we got enough of the commercial space out there that that makes a lot more sense to my opinion I'd like us to explore that before we commit to that type of funding and tonight had talked about on that same deal is how can we a few it's there a 501c3 that's connected to our animal shelter and then you know looking at how we can empower them for capital wages because I do think it's a the public tends to respond very well Charleston County has raises pretty much all their capital for animal facilities and I just think that's that would be awesome higher aiming opportunity to my take what a million dollars the candy that's what I'm saying he lives in common we can make sure I mean point being is whatever you want to do on the current animal shelter I'm fine with but I do think going forward finding a better bigger better facility and getting you know and if it's getting that if it's hiring a development person for for them you know to really yeah I do think moving it into a safe within a more commercial zone will help it from its adoption and all its services and where it's located at the time when we invested in their built it it made a lot of sense today and there's just I think even at $600,000 put into it it's not gonna solve a lot of rent for a lot of square footed. Yeah, you did it right. So explore what it looks like and apply some of the funding towards that. I think it's going to be significantly less because they'll be able to do everything under one roof all think about all the kennels and everything all of that can be put in one place you've got commercial industrial piping and wash job I mean there's just too many empty spaces that could be utilized for a great project and be a nice present. I mean if you look at what what the water department's office on belt line has done to that stretch I mean these types of investments that improve the enhance the quality of these animals that are being rescued and get knocked out to what it does to the neighborhood that we place it in I think it's well worth us looking into that path and I do have one of the police departments relocations I mean I really like to see us look at leasing there is instead of by them because it seems like demographics change and crime patterns change and and I'm just not so sure that we would be better off releasing our spaces to give us the flexibility to move around when we need to move around versus man I'd use whatever you want to do but it's a less capital intensive for us to do that and give you I think a lot more flexibility I would tend to agree I think we talked about that in the past especially as you're looking at redistricting and putting that that gives us a lot more flexibility it also will give us to be quite honest and better facilities for the officers of picnic that means because then we're not budget-driven and you were able to really do better things I would support that as well the only other thing that I saw on here on this is capital that we had in here was we need to make sure that we look at the security cameras possibly from hospitality that is for the park that is with the balance that we have there I think it would be something we should look at and then I had a question around the master plan didn't we do a master plan several years ago did we really need to do a new master plan yeah I haven't been able to get my get up to the podium ran yeah this hand is going to come across this table seven year plan that was today because I'm a team it was never officially previous counselor the new master plan with the 10-year master plan that will allow us to in the domestic forecast of future in terms of making a project capital projects moving forward and programming needs and interest in the community can we maybe take a look at the existing master plan with what's been executed what's outdated and maybe look at that instead of committing the 180 thousand dollars on master plan yeah we can we can look at that to see where we've been working we've been working from it based on the needs in our parks that they identified because we've got parks with new upgrades and playground equipment and stuff I mean we can get an upgrade to our plan for 50,000 and we can put 130 or 100,000 in the playground equipment and other things enhance the parts we have for I'd rather do that that will give us another new property that's to pay it off we've got the master planner in your office I mean you've seen what he's done I mean I'll tell you I think he's one of the greatest assets that we have time absolutely I mean everybody who's seen what he's thought about drawing I mean they can't stop raising the matter and let's utilize what we got some other components of the master plan involved public outreach process analysis of our parks for capital improvement I think some of that can be technology driven based on what we are all looking at some of the public engagement stuff that Clark's working on and these other green they're going to use technology really to do that and save money and get better quality data and to your point you know we talk about and okay Jim several gems different of that talk of periods the up the new construction technology where I think you mentioned this has a new you know new wall systems that could make a real difference more affordable we've heard that that we're not going to pay the attention to that I think it would be helpful if it's the current time that we do y'all with it because it still comes with us to do we really want to keep that I'm not sure I also wanted to add two other three as I was okay can I thank you I'd like to talk about their homeless coordinator piece I know we have talked briefly about this and would like to hear from staff what you always thinking in terms of grant funding because this is something I'd like to move along pretty quickly if possible so my plan is to bring on the 14th and it has to be listed some updates and it's not that yes we're in the second session actually about some of the contracts yeah actually I mean we had a pretty thorough comprehensive staff meeting with all parties involved and I have some thoughts and some recommendations that it's impossible we like to do like that too thanks I'm good yeah and then we just have that place over there because we know they've got a okay funding I'm hoping is eligible a coordinator position could be grant funding but after we're looking into the community development uh grant the grant that um yeah we want to see if there's eligibility there um but if not well it could have some other recommendations that we can make so the consensus is to move forward with what the line there um but that's what we were I think we shouldn't hold back the position based on trying to get a grant we should be able to work that position and we're just in funding in our budget right that's why we didn't put a particular category we're looking at all the categories thank you um Reverend McDowell yeah question but mr mary in the midst of all the paper shuggling it's shuffling and that sort of thing it's kind of hard to hear on the scene but I do I do see the city manager's funding request recommendations we talked a little bit about I think you mentioned the animal shelter and of course this reading is so small and the animal kennel flood insurance that's over uh I think I see uh full hundred thousand dollars for the shelter building and a thousand hundred thousand dollars for the kennel insurance is that correct yes yeah yeah we're recommending that we go look at renting a place you're not spending that money all right all right I thought I heard that we were spending that money and I was just gonna say it just doesn't seem like we can do four hundred thousand dollars for animal shelter and we got full homeless out in the street um the other piece of that of course what about the what about the kennel resurfacing that's forty thousand that's all Reverend McDowell what we're talking about doing is looking at trying to find an existing building that is fit the needs so that you wouldn't have to make that that's large of a capital uh investment you know empty grocery store something of that size so they could expand instead of putting that type of money in the existing facility so we're gonna have staff come back with the recommendation that sounds good thank you sir yes sir you're welcome mr. one of my item I'd like to talk about you know as we have a placeholder for the four hundred thousand dollars out of h tax I um you know with with double you know the council mr. man I would like to possibly offer up a work session for a subcommittee arts and historic for the review of that for them for us again since it's been so long and what that hybrid structure looks like of what was suggested through that and then after that send it to arts and historic to really put together the network of what it is what the arts community wants to see um you know is it a community arts program focus local art fellowship is it a art studio space lease how can we leverage that funding in that position and that structure the best so I don't have any firm structure scope or operation to to force the council um so that would be my suggestion to get to that and then what that four hundred thousand dollars would entail and I would ask you all to look at that process that we're not using four hundred is the number that we're looking at what are the functions that we want and the cost around that it's that's the route we're going because you know the previous budget has been floated around um I don't know that I could support what was floated around before um with the allocations and these increased salaries and you know to be quite honest there hasn't been a lot of discussion and I hope you can get consensus uh because I every time I meet with arts group I get six different right um suggestions but not all around about what we're doing so yeah I think it's a great idea if you bring it to the committee and and kind of come back with an idea yeah so just to give you some background on where that 400 came from was looking at other municipalities a dollar per resident um for the arts um Raleigh charlotte so three dollars three dollars uh per resident and I guess we're 100 to 400 um the focus was not to be on uh heavy salaries obviously uh it was it was to get the art and the communities whether student parks and recs um uh more fellowships to get those initiatives done but all that a lot of these suggestions come from amplify that's why I just want to make sure that the council is updated and educated on that and so that was one of the questions like the overall discussion yeah I would think of a 20 30 minute sometime in the next 30 60 days in a work session is that $400,000 worth of additional money or does this replace other entities that are already in our operating budget so the net new money would be less than 400 so um we'd be determined I guess you know if we have we have a contract in place for a local arts agency um does that contract continue on does it morph into something under and I think it's very important there's a key element to that which is the grant piece because the one of the things that I'm noticing that all the other cities I talked to all of these arts and cultural offices are are bringing in lots of grant money and they're also bringing in the product sector which is not done here I mean I had somebody come today and you know it's I've come to the city before I even think about calling you know the person which is we can operate yeah the resource for our community I think it's the most important job for this office so I'll set a work session I'll be great thank you and I know we're going to continue to have these conversations about public restaurants but if there is a real need um this weekend is a great example um where we have incredible crowds downtown and in some of our businesses are our big extended invitation they seem to the point that it's hindering their vision so I really think we've got to to take a hard look at and come off with a plan for a public restaurant I'm a big believer in it and also in one year it's got to be intended um we can have it unintentioned and the people of three other cities and stuff that's what they did and I'm sure I think we've got to take a look at that as we continue to move forward. Mayor in that same tone this is probably going to be twice and just and whether it's a beautification deal or whatever is also let's look for a program downtown that takes the Herbie Kirby's off off the street whether it's to the back or underground or something I'm hearing more and more about the the trash receptors in front of all the businesses so again not for discussion today something for you guys to think about how we addressed that but I think Robert I think it's a good time to revisit that group that we talked to before with those steps and see if they progress there was a group that's trying and the problem was these and have enough clientele to justify you and it but it's all underground so you have and it pulls out it's very um I think that's one but I mean a lot of it could be moving some to the back where we have alleys and it's like you may have a capital cost not a capital but operating costs because you can't send that articulating machine young an alley picking up but so I looked up the plan off I did about 15 years ago that's put all the containers behind in every alley on the downtown so every business can use them but to terrify them I think you can put it on something on that that'd be great it also seems to your point of the code enforcement and education in our outside districts about that there's several small visits and five points that can pull them around they just don't seem to be right right down your way street and look at the size number one man you got a new hotel going in there's following eight don't get me started with all the budget all over the street from that hotel the other day everybody everybody was a lot of fun was warming up any other questions and the only other items from the clean list we started on that have all the items that didn't take their way to my recommended years but the incident command funds and that doesn't mean we're not looking at other options to get that funded and then I know the client's going we were kind of in a place where you know we may need to be nimble enough to dissipate it we've already resisted the pain of things to continue to dissipation on that so we didn't necessarily know an amount and we won't worry about it I think Ms. Gentry I think has come up with a plan that the senator hall put me in really likes and and I think we're going to phase in the things she's gone over it with him and and he seems to like it and he is he's basically assured us that that he will go to the general assembly for funding for the balance of what we need the things to do. Can we move the office to our next gathering? Absolutely. I've got to go to another election again not thank everybody he's been a clean all day and absolutely so if there's a channel in the census that will lay out here then we can bring these back to you and clean all the stuff. One last just last question and it's just you have it on here yes we want to make if nothing else a good will allocation to our assembly street crossing commitment that we're going to have to do. Is it only for a dollar amount? No yes five million dollars five million dollars but you don't recommend spending five million dollars this year so we deserve it. We deserve five million this year yes all right here's my question the fact of the other capital needs that we need and that we may have a couple of years to do that do you want to reserve five million this year do you want to reserve two and a half million this year? I think the new ground for two million is on the world I'd say that's a hard commitment. Done please go ahead thank you. Yes thank you. Who's the third item on your agenda? Is anybody got any questions about that? I think the staff that's a staff proposal I like this all we do is yeah somehow somewhere way back when I suspect somebody the city had a house or something that was next door to somebody's house they wanted us to offer it but we're doing with some big properties now and we don't need games and shit or the town that it takes to offer some of these things to the people next door it should be frankly put out for public for public purchase I think we have a lot of businesses that have to move because they can't expand and it would be great if we had the opportunity to buy it but we don't have any offer I mean they can they certainly can buy they can put in a bit I think one of the challenges that we're seeing is that people are stalling the process because they have the first it's creating I ran that concept around a bunch of different different mayors or whatever nobody has that today but I'm throwing it out but I appreciate you that would be nice I'm going I would switch in his own the thing you have to be the active senior member of the jump and we're not passing any orders we're not gonna pass any orders while you while they're at that item and I'll see if this battle is moving forward on their we'll get first reading on it today and then that way it let this move forward on 2021 and somebody's in a bigger let me make the motion for adjourn second second ma'am put you on a call in the room for adjournment ah all right