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Thank you The next agenda item is old business final button rock management plan survey. Is that you daniam? Hi. Yes, that's me um So I think heather or susan is just going to bring up a document to look at while I talk just There's another way to process what i'm saying Give me just a minute. Yep. Okay Dan olson. Yes. Okay. I'm sorry just a moment daniel sure Dan you're muted Dan you need to unmute if you want to talk Is there something in our packet daniel that i'm not finding? No, there's nothing in the packet. Um, the survey results came in too late for me to be able to get something written Which is why I have this Okay, great. Thanks. Yep Can everyone see that? All right, daniel you may begin. Okay. Um, I am just touching base with prab We've been working on the button rock management plan since february 2019 um, we've had two public meetings june 2019 and november 2019 And we are going to have one final public meeting We're looking at early october, I believe and so we've also had three public surveys And we just concluded our third public survey, which is what i'm here to talk to with you about tonight I have most of the results compiled, but what I don't have is 131 comments I can tell you what they were about, but I I don't have them pulled or sorted in a way that I can share meaningfully right now. So i'm just going to go ahead and share answers to the questions So we wanted to and so this third public survey because of the pandemic was um Done completely online. We we did have volunteers lined up and we were planning we had cards Postcards ready to go up up at the preserve in the same way. We had done survey number two, but that changed But we still did good get good responses. So we had about A little over a thousand people respond to survey number two, but we had 831 people respond to this survey online and um So here we go. There were seven questions Most people were from longmont. So the first question, where are you from 74 people 74 of the people that answered this question Were from longmont. So you can see 160 people skipped This question none of the questions were required The second question to alleviate parking pressure at the preserve. Would you ride a shuttle to and from button rock preserve? Um, most people answered this question only 11 people skipped it 72 of people said no they would not They would not ride a shuttle to button rock Um, third question is a little bit long. So let me line it out The goals of button rock preserve are to one protect our drinking water supply to protect surrounding ecosystems including healthy forests three protect sustainable recreational opportunities Research indicates that when humans are accompanied by dogs both on and off trail their area of influence such as noise scent trash Increases significantly impacting wildlife behavior and movement. How would you feel if a no dog policy was instituted? so Almost every single person who took the survey answered answered only two people skipped and 64 percent strongly disagreed about us potentially instituting a no dog policy 25 percent strongly agreed and 11 percent were neutral Fourth question Beginning in 2021 staff recommends eliminating the button rock fishing permit and fee Once an once an effect anglers will only need to carry a state license instead of both a button rock permit and a state license Do you agree with this recommendation? um 48 percent strongly disagrees 30 percent is our neutral and 22 strongly agree five question five visitation Visitation is overwhelming the preserve the parking lot restroom staff trails Staff recommends dispersing use and limiting overall visitor numbers such as cars people dogs By charging a fee on fridays saturdays and sundays between memorial day and labor day. Do you agree with this strategy? 55 percent of those who answered said yes, they They agree with a fee during these times 28 percent felt that maybe and 17 percent said no And if you support dispersing and limiting overall visitor numbers, what would be the best way to accomplish this? um so We gave them choices of would you rather pay a daily vehicle pass fee? And then longmont lions utility customers would pay five and non customers ten dollars Each time or would you prefer an annual pass where utility customers pay 65 and non customers pay 150? Or would you prefer or or if you're um Senior then your your annual pass is 35 for utility customers 70 for non customers Or you don't support dispersing. So we had 35 percent of people saying Daily pass 26 annual pass another 27 for the senior annual pass And 12 percent said I don't support dispersing and are limiting visitors and so then this final one seven is Just a little bit on the comments 131 people of the 838 that took the survey Did make comments and most comments had to do with dogs Some with hiking fees parking trails fishing cars and bikes So up up at the very top of the document is just the The summary here most are from longmont most not in favor of shuttle most do not agree with a no dog policy Most do not agree with eliminating the fishing permit most were in favor of charging a fee Most who are in favor of a fee chose the weekend daily fee And the top three comments were about dogs hiking and and and charging a fee so Now that this survey is concluded we have we have more analysis to do on on these results But now I'd like to just open it up to you if you have any questions for me Danielle the question about passes was that a You could only you could only choose one of those choices um It had a table in it and so yes, I think You could only choose one Although I guess my question to you is how And perhaps you're not ready to answer this yet. How do you interpret those results given that? You know, those are those are not mutually exclusive choices Yes, um, well, I mean I was just reading it back to you thinking that we might want to add together You know the the weekend and the annual and the annual The annual for seniors. I mean those are people responding that they would pay and this is the way that they would want to pay so I guess we would um sorted out by Let me please Deciding I'm sorry. I lost my train of thought um What what I'm hearing is that I guess you haven't Yeah, you haven't quite worked out what those answers mean yet Right. I mean if I'm thinking about it now The majority of people would be willing to pay some people selected pay pay as they go some people selected annual and more people selected annual than not um Right, that's that's where I'm at with interpreting that Go ahead page Can you just remind us quickly what the next steps are and how you will take all of this cumulative data and Also, how you'll sort of balance the fact that this is a preserve and a watershed with you know people's desire to heavily recreate there um, so What we've done throughout when we have so we've got the engage long lot page the caring for button rock page and so the information on that page and also the the two public surveys that we are the two public meetings that we've had so far um, what we're emphasizing is just that that you know the goals the goals for button rock preserve are to protect to protect the water and the watershed um to protect the surrounding ecosystems and then third down on that list is to provide passive passive recreation In a way that can fit into the other goals of the preserve So we've reminded the public about that all along and so what this What this survey is focusing on is is within that third item the recreation and and how people feel about it and um, so it doesn't Go into those other levels if that makes sense at all so In terms of the second part of your question what we have left is um, we're drafting a document now and so we I will take this to council later this fall the draft document and at that time after we have our final public meeting and we kind of Talk about these survey results and spend more time talking with the public about that. We're going to take all of that And the draft document and staff recommendations to council and they you know, they will Give us back their recommendations and then we hope to finalize the document by december of this year Will prab be seeing the uh draft document before All three of the boards we have three boards that we're keeping informed So we have prab sustainability board and water board So yes, all three of the boards will be part of the process part of the public process Before we take it to council And um, if it makes sense after if they give us recommendations and we need to Speak with the boards again, then that's the type of thing that that will do Any other questions for danielle? Um Have you seen uh, oh, i'm sorry jeff go ahead and then i'll ask my question Just wanted to understand. I don't know the anything about the fishing fee But I guess I was wondering what's the rationale for having an additional fee on top of the state fee It sounds like people are in favor of it. I guess i'm just curious for a little more information about it um I'm not going to be able to give you a full answer. I would need to um Not yet at this point, but the the rationale behind the fee is because Um in in one sense it protects the preserve because it's limiting the number of of users who can buy the additional permit and and and you have to you have to Show up and you have to take this extra step to get this extra permit But what's happened in recent years is that we don't sell out of those permits and especially um When we had one ranger up there what it became is um a lot of administrative work For that ranger to to deal with the to deal with the permitting system to enforce the permitting system um And it became and and also the the the fees from the permit weren't Going directly back into the preserve So um and not all of that information in that detailed way was Uh included in the question. So I think if if the public knew that possibly knew that The fee isn't going directly back into the preserve Perhaps that would be important information too I guess i'm just wondering how often People don't even know, you know, like I took my son fishing recently. He's under 16 He doesn't need a permit. Do they run into issues with people just showing up and fishing? Um That's a ranger question in terms of how much they're doing enforcement. I don't I don't know the answer. Um, I know it does happen sometimes, but I can't give you a Do you know if people have to buy the permit from that ranger or can they buy it ahead of time somewhere? there is um The way it usually works is they go to the memorial center in longmont or or There's another building in lions where they go for sale on one day and so people get in line and The people that have been doing it for years know to get in line first and um You know then get number one and number two and number three they're they're numbered out like that so There there is a way to get it at at one time in person or if you miss the first day you can go and get one later David bell Yeah, that's just gonna Add a little bit to daniel's comments there and dan will for probably some history could add some too but Another piece that I I know that as we look at you know trying to balance that reducing the Using capacity of it button rock by having the fishing permits because at one point There was a there was a pretty strong demand for that and as we saw that demand decrease Like if daniel daniel mentioned that we weren't even going through it Selling all those permits we did have this administrative kind of burden in the way that wasn't even Achieving its goal of reducing numbers because we didn't have the people showing up The thing is that we would like to be able to look at with this is cpw as long mount was reducing the number of people Love their fishing cpw had a hard time justifying stocking managing that lake So the more we open it to the general public with their fishing vices the more support we would get some for cpw So that's another piece that I think As we look at how we balance the information we get back from the public with The long-term management goals that we want to include in those conversations And I think the other piece that Going back in how we manage the information we're getting where We get results back from the public. I think the best thing we could do is say This is the management direction that staff thinks we should be moving. This is the public things we're doing This is what the boards think we we should be doing that should be the easy ones I think the ones where we may see conflict between what staff is recommending and boards recommend Recommending and the public would be these are areas that we have an advanced sort of Signal recognition. This may be a more of a challenging change to make So I think those are the things that would be used as information for as well because again I as Daniel said we're going to be managing this for the watershed for the preserve And some of those may not be in line with what the the data coming back is but I think that's something that's very important for us and council to know if we want to make a Decision that we recognize or at friends be more challenging for the public. So I think it's going to be Us trying to recognize this data as we make those recommendations Okay, thank you. Um, have you seen a pandemic bump at Button Rock like you have in the city parks? Danielle, yes We have um In especially in late spring early summer. We were experiencing that and we were experiencing um the parking lot Um filling up early in the morning. So we actually were directing additional staff to Take shifts at Button Rock to help direct traffic and make sure that Um people weren't parking illegally and that they they turned around Um, we had signs up in lions for a time highway signs letting people know in lions that the parking lot was full so that they wouldn't Drive up the road and make the long drive just to be turned around um I think I can't remember exactly when that um stopped being so so busy. Maybe The end of june david Yeah, I think it's probably the end of june. I would say I just wanted to um, but Perhaps members know that this was a very collaborative effort to make this happen too because um, it really did take working with Button rock rangers getting impact our information back to the neighbors up there Working with boulder counting County who let us put no parking signs along a county road Which I think the city has been asking for for years and after one of our meetings because boulder county forest service all those hide mountain parks saw that spike that you're talking about with covet and um, they Pretty much on the first request to go ahead and put up the even gave us the temporary signs We put those up as daniel mentioned We were looking for a variable message board to put down in town to tell people in lions that it was going to be busy And lions stepped up and said, you know, let's not have multiple signs on here go ahead and use ours So we worked with lions on that So it was definitely dan wilford and his group going up there on weekends to help the rangers A lot of my pd actually has two officers going up there as well. So it definitely took a quite a bit of Upfront effort, but I think people started recognizing that there was limited parking and they started finding Different locations and I do think as daniel mentioned It probably was at june sort of time frame when other parks started open So rocky mountain started opening up some of the things down lower started opening up So I think people had a few more options But I I think we're now to the point where it just seems like a busy weekend and it is not that sort of overwhelming Illegal parking and challenges that we're have we're having up there early in the spring death I just wanted to understand how the city of lions is actually involved in the decision making You said we're going to council. I assume that means long line. So what is lions role in all of this? Lions is one of our technical advisory Stakeholders in the plan. So lions has been at the table in that way And they do get their water from That's the shared piece we have as we as daniel I think in her documents is pretty clear that you know She talks about how many people button rock serves. We definitely include Lions and those numbers that correct daniel. That's correct Okay, anything else for daniel Go ahead dan I guess I'm disappointed, you know, I like taking my dogs are off leash once upon a time And now we've only been back once or twice with them on leash But on the other hand, I'm reminded that you can't even go in the boulder watershed So I hate for us to have to shut the hole I guess we can't shut the whole thing down you explained to me before that We had there's some provision that recreation is included in this But it could be even more restrictive is the bottom line like boulder does And and one thing I I didn't mention here is that we have some limited camera data That shows us Um Number of dogs off leash in the meadow area. That's where everybody likes to go up and yeah That's the dog's leash and on sleepy lion trail the meadow. Um, and so that's that's a lot of where we're seeing people doing that and repeat offenders doing that and so That will be included in in some of this information. Just just The limited times we had the camera on what we're seeing during those times Okay, thank you. Thank you daniel. Thank you, david Uh, moving on to item number six new business We're going to hear from francy. I believe on the recommendations from the climate action task force Uh, I would remind the board to mute when you're not actually talking Great. Thank you. And if heather I have a presentation, I believe heather is going to bring it up Am I the only person I can't actually I'm not see. Oh, there it is. Okay. I just have to be patient Um, so my name is francy. Jackie. I'm the water conservation and sustainability specialist Um, so today I will be bringing the board recommendations from the climate action recommendations report This report is a result of the climate emergency resolution Which was passed by city council in october of 2019 it called for The city to pull together a climate action task force to develop recommendations of how to become a sustainable non-carbon community Um, the report that was presented first presented city council on june 30th Details recommendations from the climate action task force, which was a group of community members community partners and city staff As well as the equity recommendations from the just transition plan committee I'll be going through both of them as well as highlighting some of the community engagement From this plan and then we will end on asking the board to vote on four of the different climate action recommendations We are returning to city council on august 25th And but between that city council requested that we bring Uh different recommendations to the board um to get board feedback to help city council decide on next steps Next slide Before going through the recommendations, I wanted to highlight that the climate action task force Decided on six different topic areas. Um, these are primarily focused on how to mitigate or reduce Climate change um specifically focusing on building energy use transportation and renewable energy, which are are three Largest sectors for emitting greenhouse gas emissions as well as land use and waste management The task force also determined that education outreach was an important component of this as well as Focusing on adaptation resiliency, which focuses more on how do we adapt and make a more resilient community in terms of climate change the Board the climate action task force determined that equity was a cross cutting Area that should be addressed in all six topic areas And they also worked on this with their partnership with the just transition plan committee next slide Uh, we performed community engagement through this process. Um through primarily through a community questionnaire We also had presentations In tabling events, uh, but we decided to do this engagement in march. Um, so only got about two weeks before we had to cancel all events But given that on the next slide, um, we did get some takeaways from the community engagement We did see general support for the climate action Incentives and changes that were included. I do want to highlight that the questionnaire was set up in a way that it it had Of respondents rank, but didn't offer an opportunity for respondents to say they did not like any of the options Um, that being said, we still saw some general support As well as a strong support for increasing services and benefits for low-income communities And then complement with that a concern about cost and impact on affordability Due to the fast timeline and the impact of co vid We did have a lack of stakeholder engagement and did see in we we asked for demographics in the survey and did see a limited representation so We are aware that this process there were voices left down this process and that could be a need for continued community engagement Um, so on the next slide, I'm going to begin going through the climate action task force topic area recommendations I just want to review the process before I go through the recommendations. There are 27 recommendations We are only asking the board to um vote on four of them But we did want to have a give a general overview of all recommendations so that you see all the different components Because this is a long section and we'd like to get to the voting section Um, I am going to ask that you hold any comments until the end But if you have a clarifying question, feel free to ask it I can only see three members at a time So I may need some help if someone has a clarifying question jump in And then at the end we'll focus on Voting on the four recommendations But we'll also give a space for a high level comments on the entire process as well as the just transition plan committee recommendations Next slide So the first category is adaptation and resiliency and we'll be highlighting the ones you all will be voting on in green So the first one is public health specifically designed around how to um to develop a coalition to address public health Um at especially around high heat events poor air quality severe weather events And they recommended specifically targeting certain members of the community Including residents experiencing homelessness and workers in an outdoor setting We wanted to bring this to prab as this called for shelter For people experiencing homeless cooling centers and water and water play areas as some of the recommendations Uh, the second recommendation in this category was the water conservation recommendation Which calls called for a 35 to 40 reduction in overall water consumption in the next five years Um, I do want to highlight that this is overall not just city water consumption And would have a strong impact to our parks and recreation areas And then the last one in the adaptation resiliency category was a recommendation to increase our flood electrification and preparedness education Next slide Um, the next section we don't have any ones that you all are reviewing But I'll just give a quick overview and building an energy use We do adapt all our most recent building codes, but this recommended an expansion to include different components We had a recommendation around creating a feasibility committee For in the next 18 months to develop a plan on how to um do electrification The next four recommendations focused on expanding our commercial and residential energy efficiency works, which we primarily do through efficiency works Um, and then lastly was a a proposal for climate action fund to help fund a lot of these different efforts Next slide Uh, this section focused on education and outreach. The first was um focused on developing a comprehensive workforce development That's accessible to all members of our community to help create a diverse skilled workforce to meet a lot of these different goals The next three recommendations focuses on different ways of how to explain climate change Um, education and outreach with the last one focusing on how to establishing a peer to peer community sustainability liaison program Next slide In the land use and waste management, we do have one that we are asking you to vote on extending agricultural zoning This one really focused on expanding education and opportunities and partnerships to increase residential production of food An incentive for public to participate in growing selling their own food We're bringing this to prep as a call for a system for allocating public land um and Suggested to adopt a plot as a potential model The other two recommendations were um the commercial and residential composting and working on to expand Posting in our community and then developing a downtime pay for parking structure Um, although after this recommendation was developed the writers did note Um that the timeline would probably need to be developed because of the impacts of covid next slide For renewable energy, the first one focused on Accelerating our transition to advanced metering infrastructure I do want to note that all of these are we have already committed to transitioning to 100 renewable energy for electricity by 2030 So all recommendations support that effort um recommendations two through three are all different ways of using technology to Adapt and address to demand side management either through kind of smart systems that you can use to better understand at home or by Indicating to the customer when their electricity they're using has Is from really carbon intensive or renewable energy sources and then the last one distributed energy resources focuses on moving a lot of our Um But distributing our energy more locally distributing To create make it a little bit easier to transition to renewable energy through a number of different pilot projects including battery backed solar or a group buying program for electric vehicles next slide In transportation, we had four recommendations. The first was a bit of a hybrid service It's a flexible bus or checkpoint service. So there's set pickup locations and times But the route in between the locations is flexible Uh, they they also recommended expanding um electrical vehicle charging infrastructure downtown There's a recommendation on connected bikeways, which we'd also like you to vote on um, this really focused on expanding long life bikeways with a strong focus on safety, especially with minimizing um traffic crossings and providing fully lit bikeways Then the last recommendations was creating an educational campaign for alternative work schedules And that one. It was actually developed before covid Does anyone have any clarifying questions before I walk through the JTP committee? Um recommendations And dan olsen does Oh, thank you. Um, yeah, I noticed your link to the full report, which I guess this is the summary of Does not work in the prab packet that was sent out today. I get a 404 file or directory not found Okay, so is that what you just showed us was that full report summary? That that was a summary of the different recommendations in the book. Okay Thanks Yeah, and I apologize. We've been I thought I checked that link. Um, but I I just tried it again, but I couldn't do it last night when I was going through the packet either Page Okay. Yeah, if someone could just provide that link at some point, uh, I'd be grateful. Yes, of course Are we gonna oops Sure. Yes, Jeff Are we gonna have an opportunity to discuss in specifics the four things we're gonna vote on and ask questions when we get to them Or how will that part work? Yes, I'm gonna go through, um, the just transition plan committee recommendations and then we'll come back to those four And what we'll do is we'll do a vote and then discussion period And you can always if we've had folks decide to change their vote after the discussion and that's fine as well David, did you have something to add? Yeah, I did. That's one of francy union I talked about it. I want to surprise you at the end of with a reminder But I think um for the for prab members I think we took the four that we felt logically made the most sense for this group But I would say if anyone feels there's a topic in there, we miss if they feel like they want to Add to that conversation. We're happy to entertain that but I think the ones that we went through the ones that we really felt Fit in through the work groups via parks the open space program The park development that really fit into this area But I don't think there's anything that's awful limits if they really like to talk about it. I hope not Yeah, thank you. I forgot to mention that that is correct Feel free to suggest another one to vote on or if you don't feel like it's within the Prabs purview to vote on but would like to offer a high-level comment will offer so offer space for that as well Thank you francy Great, if that's it for the clarifying questions. Um, hather if you don't mind pulling up the presentation. Thank you Next slide So I am just going to quickly review the just transition plan committee recommendations These recommendations are a very complementary recommendations We like to call the climate action task force the what what you need to do to address climate action Why these are more the how they they're How can you address the climate action in a way that reaches all members of our community? Next slide So just as a quick background the just transition process actually started in 2018 when we passed the resolution to transition 100% renewable energy This called for the city shall consider the needs of lower income residents Last summer we distributed a survey to kind of learn where we are in access to different resources And our next phase was to develop a policy in program recommendations with the just transition plan committee Whose focus was on developing an equitable transition to 100% renewable energy Their focus shifted on when with the passing of the climate emergency resolution Which called for frontline communities to actively participate in the process So the new focus of the just transition plan committee was focused on equitable climate action and they work to do that in support the The climate action task force I they had two categories of recommendations. So I'll start with the first one on the next slide So the first was an equity assessment recommendations And this is kind of recommending the process of what we did with the just transition plan committee first It's important to find a provide a foundation on equity and climate action Use an equity lens and apply that to the different climate action And focus on frontline communities most impacted by climate change I know frontline communities isn't a common term It front a frontline community is in a community that is most impacted by climate change and might not have Historically hit participated in decision-making processes For example with climate change, we're expecting an increase in high heat days So an example frontline community that would be really important to target Is someone who both has a underlying medical condition, but does not have access to adequate cooling Next slide Their bulk of their recommendations was in the overarching equitable climate action recommendations These really kind of work together and can be used as a checklist That range from how to develop Better marketing and outreach through targeted culturally relevant messaging To understanding the connections with health and safety To understand that and address financial burdens of low-income households A lot of these recommendations actually are a series of questions that someone applying the climate action Recommendations that I shared previously could think through When developing their recommendations So it's really more of a process that can be applied to the other climate action task force recommendations next slide So now we're going to go into the board feedback probably what we'll do is we'll show the recommendation again And then take the PowerPoint presentation off so we can see each other during the discussion So if we could go to the next slide Heather So we're going to start with the ones in adaptation and resiliency And how we're going to do this is we're going to ask each board member to either do a thumbs up Indicating they like it approve it as written um A thumbs sideways stating they like Like it, but there are some noted considerations that they would like to provide a city council Or thumbs down do not approve it and then after we do the vote We'll open it up for comments Nikki will be taking notes on this because we're going to take Your voting and the comments and bring it to city council when we go on august 25th So the first one is the public health Launch a coalition to create a climate adaptation and health plan by january 2022 Or sooner based on the timeline of the coven 19 pandemic and if we could jump out of the presentation that would be great Yes page Section item. This is just about chartering a group to develop a plan I feel like there were more Elements to it when you went through it yeah, so the the kind of the key points of this one was to pull together A coalition um that kind of focus on different areas, but the recommendation had different Uh recommendations that they recommended including They had a actually let me just pull up The the list and I can just read it out So some of their potential plan examples were provide shelter for people experiencing homelessness anytime daytime temperatures Are over 100 degrees Fahrenheit and 19 temperatures are over 80 degrees Fahrenheit Air conditioners made available to lower income residents cooling centers and water play areas Alert with expected actions for days with high pollution plan for health emergencies for not novel diseases They specifically recommended that for this plan they should Focus on different members of the community including workers who labor in an outdoor setting As well as people experiencing homelessness So if we have comments or questions related to these you would like us to Vote first or should we ask them now? um If you have a clarifying question, I'd ask it now But we usually like to vote first and then kind of focus on um When when folks have kind of the sideways or down comments Okay, are there any other clarifying questions before we vote? Yes So PRAB approval is needed to present it to the city council Uh, we will be presenting all recommendations But we will be providing Actually all recommendations have already been presented and city council wanted feedback and insight from the board I see Because they haven't just the next steps haven't yet been determined Okay Great So if the board is ready, um, again, it's thumbs up approve as written Thumbs sideways approve with noted consideration and we'll walk through that or thumbs down. I do not approve So it would actually So I see two thumbs up three one Okay, I see all thumbs up. I think and then I believe one thumbs sideways from page So page could you tell us a little bit about your sideways? Yeah, I didn't in the added language that you shared again. Thank you. I don't see any consideration of kind of nature-based climate solutions for example tree planting That could be, you know additive in neighborhoods to provide shade and address heat impacts Um, it seems like all pretty much focused on hard infrastructure kind of solutions. And so I It wouldn't feel complete to me unless there was also consideration given to nature-based Solutions to public health considerations, particularly heat and air quality Great. Thank you Patrick so I had a concern about the Air conditioner recommendation, which I think dovetails with Paige's comment about nature-based solutions You know, obviously equity is a serious part of this But I am wondering if more air conditioning isn't creating the problem you're trying to solve Or exacerbating the problem you're trying to solve Great. Thank you. And Nikki should be taking notes at this time and we'll share them at the very end So we can make sure we captured all your comments correctly Chair, do you want to call on them or do you want? Francie if you want to go ahead and call on people that'd be fine with me. I've no problem Okay, great. Sue My one comment is And I don't want to stir up and change how you work But I actually feel like discussion before the vote is more helpful for me. I just want to comment that for the way I Process things. I appreciate my other fellow board members thoughts before I make vote So just want to say that Yeah, that's not how we've done it recently But with the board if people want to give me a thumbs up if the board would prefer to do that Great Yeah, we we can definitely have discussion first. Thank you for bringing that up Thank you Francie discussion second. Would we um would the board like to re-vote on that first recommendation? great So if we uh, Heather, if you don't mind pulling up the presentation again, we'll I'll reshare the water conservation recommendation So the goal of the water conservation recommendation is to expand and create new programs and initiative to achieve A 35 percent reduction in overall city water consumption below a 2019 baseline by 2025 Uh, the specific recommendation did call for the need for staff to evaluate budget and landscape transitions And did have a couple of recommendations on how to achieve this goal but would definitely uh Kind of called for the the need for staff to to evaluate how to achieve this So if we can exit the presentation and move to a discussion uh, Katja um, so I noted that one of the uh options that was listed in the expanded discussion was Increasing the water supply from external sources um, is that How how relevant and feasible is that? So, um, and I may be misunderstanding you um part This recommendation specifically focused on reducing water usage and not on increasing water supply Okay, I'm looking at uh page 42 of the expanded uh discussion That was sent to us. Mm-hmm last week And I just the the increasing water supply from external sources was the thing that jumped out at me as a Either a non starter or very difficult to to implement uh, um Yes, sorry, um Yeah, that that my understanding of that portion of the recommendation um was As kind of how it's relevant to Uh climate change as how water conservation is relevant to climate change um they That wasn't discussed in the record rest of the recommendation, but as um I'm sorry Katja. We're in that page. I don't see it It's under relevant in within the quote Alex April 2018 report on boulder county climate on page 14 of the packet But it's numbered page 42 in that section also got it But all I see is savings. Not nothing about new water. Am I miss under which bullet? Quotes under relevant I can read it out for those who are unable to access the full report Okay, so francy what you're saying is that this quote is It's a little hoarding supporting information as opposed to an actual recommendation Yes, that's my understanding because um that statement increasing water supply from external sources Is a little bit in conflict with the overall goal of the recommendation Which is to reduce Consumption so we would theoretically well reduce water consumption. We would need a decrease in water supply So that statement seems to be a little bit Contradictory um when it says include increasing water supply from external sources So my based on How I understand they were using this quote that's more They more wanted to use that quote to focus on supporting why water conservation was needed for climate action Robert Robert you need to unmute yourself Rob you need to unmute your mic I was going to ask uh, there's a thing that Santa Fe New Mexico does Most water usage Treated water usage goes on lawns by a huge amount In Santa Fe what they do is you have to have a xeric xerophilic lawn or whatever And you can pay for grass, but you pay an extra fee of so much a square yard for grass And that would reduce the 35 percent in no time at all if you just instituted their escapes and people paying per square yard of grass that they have I was just wondering if they considered that That was not one of the recommended actions um in their the report, um, but it's also a very short Recommendation and I believe The report was expecting city staff to pursue And look into a number of opportunities Um, besides just what they they listed Page I think for this one, it would be great in the text to indicate somewhere the need to Balance the range of issues you're looking at here because some of the water Conservation depending where you prioritize it may conflict with other You know things that you're trying to do. I mean, I know that there was sort of an increase in splash pads and you know water features as part of the cooling and You know also increasing tree canopy may change water use, but it might offset Further water use from like air conditioning. So I think this water conservation one is tricky depending on how you um Specifically prioritize the areas for that conservation to happen Great. Thank you. Is there any other Jeff What I think you mentioned or alluded to this, but what is the expected impact on let's say sports fields and other parks and recreation facilities um, so we don't know the the full impact but according to Timber toste who reviewed this he he expects that this would completely Transform what our parks look like. Um, so to maintain parks I believe well, so it's a 35 to 40 reduction um We uh residents use about 50 percent of their water usage um an outdoor water usage The city as a leader to to meet this recommendation uh, I David, I don't know who it was, but I believe when we were talking about this recommendation a staff meeting highlighted that as a leader, the city might Try to go above and beyond that goal to kind of help reach it since it is overall Water conservation. Am I remembering that? I think maybe that was Steve. It was Ken Hewson Oh, oh fancy Steve run. Oh, go ahead David. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, Ken's the one that really did lay out the Sort of as a leader, we're probably looking to do more water conservation But I would also like to if I just have a minute as you mentioned Timber's statements Because it's something that we have definitely talked about. I think it's we're having pride way in with what I'm hearing from this group is that And also from fancy if this moves forward It's going to take staff looking at things creatively too because as timber and I have talked about this 35 percent could be an across-the-board and just be a Impact on everything equally or there are places that we could do a hundred percent reductions where we know we want to do as page mentioned Maintain tree canopy or increase tree canopy. So I think we'd really have to look at how we as staff manage This sort of reduction because I think Timber's right. It's going to be a drastic change you might see a significant change across everything a very drastic change in other areas and Maintaining status quo and others because we want to maintain those cool green places that I definitely and I'm going to try to not Throw my feeling out there But I do think that we have an obligation to maintain those cool green places for people that don't have that I think there's equity issue in that too that if if we as a city say we're going to reduce that and that comes at the cost of Those people that don't have spaces of their own I think we definitely need to keep that in the conversation. So I think fancy said it that we don't have a true direction of how we implement that. So I think it will take Working with timber but also I'm going to let Steve jump in as he's up here too. It's going to come from the design side too Well, I can already say that we use the most drought tolerant sports turf That we can when we're designing these fields we're already always consciously looking at the types of Of turf we can use that can take the compaction and that sports turf does see It's going to need some water You know, there are definitely some low hanging fruit areas and timber and his staff are already looking at these areas Where there is turf installed that is not meant to be walked on that's sort of the landscape architecture mantra is that You know, don't put turf in unless you're going to walk on it So there are some areas within the city that we can certainly reduce the amount of water that we use But uh sports fields are something we're going to have to continue to water in order to keep the programming up that we have You know have created so It's going to be like david mentioned Uh, it's going to be something that we'll have to talk with city council about if they choose to Move forward with this type of recommendation Let me also chime in um from the Natural areas perspective and open space perspective As we reduce significant amounts of water to these irrigated turf grasses you're going to significantly Or potentially significantly reduce the resiliency of these turf areas Therefore inviting more Noxious weeds and weed issues that may be Needed to be dealt with from a land management perspective Just a consideration as we move in that direction. We'll be taking a closer look at those details Yeah, you're right dan. It could lead to more the use of more herbicides Just don't know Um, do we have any data who are the highest user of the water? In the city. Yeah, I guess it vary by the the weather Season maybe in the summer. It's the highest users and I do not currently have seasonal um information Um off the top of my head. Um, I could probably figure that out But our large user class based on we I we look at it based on rape class is residential Um that being said I think it's just mostly because of the sheer size of residential If you break it down by The number of connections. I believe it's either I think it might maybe irrigation But because irrigation is only being used for irrigation But that one I am not fully positive But I do know that That our largest user class is residential um I also do want to note our water usage has been Decreasing um since our first water efficiency master plan and um our per capita rates have also been decreasing. Um, so since uh 2004 I I I believe the about the um total water consummetered water Clarified metered water consumption has decreased from about 12 percent between 2004 and about in 2019 and per capita I think it's about 15 percent reduction So I do want to highlight that our water conservation has Our water usage has been going down water conservation has been going up Just an observation for this summer. I didn't start my sprinkler. Um doing manual and there's a huge difference Between what we use is Are you saying it's down minot? Yeah, it is down. Yeah Jeff I I don't love this idea, but I'm just curious how much consideration there is to the possibility of putting something like gastriture for something like that I mean, which is not nearly as cool It's hot usually but that's something you guys are looking at. I mean not pleasant, but it would cut down the water obviously David, you know Yeah, I'm gonna just us because I hear Steve in the background by letting him go but we we have looked at that and we do have as a You know a sustainability tool that we can run these things through and um I'll let Steve talk about that but we've run that through our modeling process because I think page started this off There's always going to be trade-offs. There really is no free lunch in any of this So if you decrease water do you decrease tree canopy if you increase Air conditioning do you increase water someplace else? So I think it's that balancing piece that I think these boards and staff are important to bring it down to that Lower level getting into the weeds a little bit because I think as francy said This is pretty high level sort of ideas that are being thrown out there And I don't want to step on francy's presentation Or take more time. We need to but Just so you know that you know water boards other boards have looked at this. They've made significant recommendations to these sections to represent how they feel they should be carried forward So I don't think it's a necessary. You just have to take it as is Francis has been great at capturing the feedback back from these boards on how they see these recommendations of what they think needs to be done to to make these successful Steve you want anything else on turf? Well, the the challenging thing with synthetic turf is that it is considered a non permeable Um surface so basically you're putting the water down onto the turf And then point discharging into the adjacent waterway or the the place where the The drainage just one of the water goes so it's not quite as effective from a storm drainage management system Um, also you end up using a lot of water not irrigating it, but you have to hose it off blood vomit All that fun stuff that gets on sports fields Uh needs to be hosed off before the next people play and so there's a lot of Water that goes into maintaining that turf even though it's not growing so it's I don't understand how you get 35 reduction or higher if you're trying to be a leader if you're already using the most efficient turf possible I that's the part of this that I don't feel like I've heard yet is And to do it or are we just saying this is a goal and then we're gonna work on it Well, that's why they pay us the big bucks Yeah, and I I do I do want to clarify that this this was a goal developed by the climate action task force and um, I I think we mentioned this during water board that They stated a They stated a goal that they they wanted to state an aspirational goal um, but there was I think as we highlighted to water board when we went to them there was not an extensive research Done to to find why that goal was stated at that number um, and The goal was kind of to state an aspirational goal But and that and highlight that staff still needs to do a lot of the work to figure out how to read the aspirational goal Yeah, and to francis point, you know, yes, it was it's a goal But if you read the times call in the past week, they're talking about the city or the state of colorado being under drought conditions And have been on and off for 20 years So our parks may not look the same way they do now or did 10 years ago in the next 20 years They might look very differently with a lot of more brown In july and august and so that's something we as staff need to Try to figure out the best way to handle that while maintaining all the other recreational Goals we have with our park system. So steve. I'm sorry. I'm going to throw up. He's gonna throw it back to francy again it is just this idea of Looking at the places that we know we want to maintain These green walkable places these green cooling islands But there are creative ways out there. See if you said we're using the most durable Drought tolerant grasses for our park, but we do have other areas that we like to keep green Like you say that may look different, but um francy Do you want to just really quick talk about what you and ben are working on is again taking that next step? I think some of these aspirational things can push us. I think they're beneficial, but um, they definitely come to trade off So francy again, I hate stepping your presentation But would you take a minute to talk about what you and ben are doing? Yes, I would be happy to and thanks for also before I do that steve for bringing up that point because the goal behind this Recommendations was acknowledging that there could be increased drought and changes in precipitation and changes in temperature And that there is a need to focus on water conservation And then ben and I are working on transitioning 1.25. We got well before that We got a a matching grant from northern northern water conservancy district to transition 1.25 acres of kentucky bluegrass to a weak grass blend We're expecting to reduce water consumption by 50 We're also expected to reduce mowing which could have benefits on greenhouse gas emissions I do want to note this entire project to transition about 1.25 acres after we take out staff time is about a 20 26 thousand dollar project for that amount of acreage so it it uh, but it so it's definitely a an expensive solution especially if we needed to Um transition the amount of acreage to get to what's stated in this goal, but it is a A solution that could have significant water conservation savings For areas where there are not a lot of people walking on or recreating on And we're doing this at the the longmont service center and then a strip along hoover to see how it does in high usage roads Gotcha and then dan so in the you know in the line of page's comment and and david's saying that there's You know, there's trade-offs and everything I I think one of the things that's important to keep in mind here is that The choice isn't between the status quo indefinitely and this plan, right? I mean the choice is between this plan and some other Way that The scenario plays out which might not in which might involve the city reacting rather than being ahead of What needs to be done and one of the things that I Don't see here is and this may be just a reflection of The level of detail that that these recommendations are at is I don't see a scenario that says and if we don't do this This is what will happen in the next five 10 15 20 years as the population increases in the and the you know If we keep having lawns and fields and Parks and you know just the same way they always have been So so my view of this is i'm not wild about the 25 to 35 to 40 percent Goal because as you say it's it doesn't have any there's no data behind it But the idea that the city get in front of this rather than reacting to it is Something that I can support Dan I'm going to your presentation that you showed us so i'm looking on page nine Of 42 in this bit part it just says Uh prepare the city resources for residents and businesses to reduce indoor and outdoor water use This board Is primarily worried about parks and recreation and open space, etc And I don't know if you need to say that explicitly. I'm not sure where this Recommendation goes if it goes on to city council or not and then when we look in appendix b For this whole topic about water conservation The only bit in there that really addresses the city's water use Is that little line right at the bottom saying golf courses and city parks may change in appearance So somehow it seems to me to get back to that point that i'm not sure who started it may be page You know, is there a balance between? corporates use city use Residential use that overall gets 30 to 5 to 40 percent in other words Maybe the city use or parks to keep green space going You know Doesn't drop as much and we get more out of residents or I don't know how you balance that But the way this is written for us at least Doesn't talk about parks per se And yet that's what i'm supposed to be voting on Is and so maybe i'm not getting it or i'm being too nitpicky here But I don't see that in the presentation that the use is like overall city But it doesn't really mention that oh by the way golf courses are gonna have to come down by this much And parks are gonna have to remind us this much. It's all businesses and residents You are correct that it is overall city water usage um, but as uh, ken hueson Our water resources manager highlighted in a staff meeting that Part of the part of the method of helping residents and businesses Large conservation goals is having the city be a leader so There could be a post scenario Where you figure out how to achieve those savings with only focusing on residents or businesses uh, but I I think The city would probably explore A lot of scenarios where the city was also trying to lead and do best practices to kind of help show what can be done Um and be kind of a a role model But you are correct that it is city-wide and not specifically calling out parks and Um open space I think we've got rob and then page Rob you have to unmute I have to agree with dan that our The question for us is parks and rec and I am very much in favor of water conservation and water saving That said I would be very happy to see the city of longmont The high desert that it is with 15 inches of water per year so on With green oasis that are called parks and things that are lush and green and all that that I could see Okay My other problem is saving 35 to 50 as an individual At the same time i'm going to be asked to vote maybe by the city council on Charging myself to get more water Now there seems to be an inconsistency or a confrontation between Save water now pay us a lot of money for more water I I just don't understand it That's all on for water conservation. I'll vote for it, but I I don't see Wanting more water at the same time asking people not to use it That's it Francie do you want to Comment on that or annie do you want to comment on rub? So well, I just wanted to point out um I'm annie and the environmental services manager and We're asking people this these were actions that were developed by a group of members of the public And it was aspirational. We're asking you to vote either thumbs up thumbs side or thumbs down So there is an opportunity To vote on the side and make your comments and we could add those And provide those to city council. So I just wanted to remind you that you do have that option I'd also just like to point out you're you I'll get you in just a second page that You know raising the price for something is a way to reduce use of that something Because people will not pay higher prices Page go ahead Yeah, I just have a process question and it may be for you Katya just kind of building on what annie said I mean given the time and sort of the Early stage nature of these You know, I wonder I mean, I know You know, I personally will have a lot of questions about the agriculture one as well But I just don't know if it's even really timely To ask those right now versus just saying that we have concerns about them and if they go forward You know, we would want to Have those concerns addressed. So I'm just my question is just like how much more time do we want to devote to this discussion David or francy, do you want to Respond to that in terms of your expectation of the amount of board time that will be spent on this and whether it will come up in subsequent meetings I'm going to let francy and annie take that This is we're supporting them right this think that I would really actually Give it back to francy and annie and the The board decide how much time they want to spend on this, but it really is it really is moving forward if council's going to see it I think that Just what page mentioned that those sort of comments end up in front of council somehow. So If francy and annie have a plan on how we do that, I'll let them Take that So we are going to city council on august 25th Um, so we do not have another board meeting between this board meeting and that one where we are taking Advising board comments Based on my experience with what we've seen from the other city boards Um, we as annie mentioned a lot of boards have done this and said I have concerns About this this and this without getting into extensive detail um These I do want to also highlight if these are approved There's still Even ones that are more written out are still the starting point and will require implementation process from city staff To figure out the next steps going forward So, um, I'll let annie add but my recommendation is that we If by the end of the board meeting tonight if we can have The the vote done in some general comments that we can bring to city council Um, that would allow us city that would allow city council to kind of Gauge how the board is feeling and if there are ones that they're primarily concerned about you're welcome to say I Like the idea but I think a lot more research needs to be done Which seems to be a kind of a theme of what folks are talking about um without having to go into The extensive details and then that can help us city council Decide on a okay We should not pursue this recommendation or let's pursue this recommendation But staff needs to do a much more in-depth analysis process Any do you have anything to add? Not really. I mean, I don't know if it's helpful To understand what uh other boards how other boards weighed in on this, um, you know I you know, we have to say the water board and the transportation advisory board And the sustainability advisory board, you know had questions about this being arbitrary arbitrary unachievable While they supported The idea of conservation They were concerned about with this particular Recommendation so I don't know if that's helpful or not But I think it would be helpful for us to you know get your take on what you think and you know if it's Just providing comments about your concerns and your support for conservation. That would be helpful too So here's what I think I'm going to do Given the hour and the fullness of our agenda um, I'd like to move this item to the vote and I'm going to Put a time constraint on the discussion of the next two items Just out of necessity or we'll be here till midnight. So, uh, if you don't mind frenzy going ahead to the vote on this item Great. Thank you. Yes, if everyone could either do thumb sideways or down All right, so So I believe I'm seeing all thumbs sideways Did the board members have any additional comments that were not already Express that they would like to add if not, we'll use what was expressed in the discussion Okay So the next recommendation That we will be reviewing is the extending agriculture In land use and uh, Heather, do you mind not bringing thank you already had So this is to this the short summary is to establish code changes to allow for residential agriculture develop ongoing programs that incentivize the public to participate in growing and selling their own food by 2023 um, if I believe if you read the recommendation it talks a lot about education and incentives um for engaging residents and specifically calls for Um, this should not only be focused on private property, but focused as well on public land Which is why we decided to bring it to the board And I'll open it up for discussion Kacha, how how long would you like this discussion to be time limited to five to seven minutes? Thank you. Go for it page I I mean, I think that this is it's a nice new concept, but I think it won't necessarily Results in sort of, you know carbon sequestration or climate You know benefits emission reduction benefits Depending on how you do it it also could increase water use if you have a you know more and more people Having sort of mini farms. Maybe it's a trade-off with you know bluegrass. I don't know but um I think at a very high level it's an interesting concept, but I think it worries me um and some of the language about You know sort of displacing It does I can't have to go back and look but displacing open space or undeveloped land I just want to make sure that there also wasn't uh Kind of a perverse incentive to tail and cultivate land that could otherwise be Um open space or you know more natural open space. So Um, I just have a lot of concerns about how this would be implemented Yes I agree with everything page just said my my questions were more about details that aren't in this yet about like Neighbors blocking view to be able to get out into the street because they have a tall corn and things like that I mean just there's so many details that need to go into this before it could be implemented But I'm sure based on the last numbers we're not there yet Rob I'm already growing a farm and where I live, you know tomatoes herbs beans Stuff like that. So I'm certainly in favor of it and composting and all that sort of thing And uh, so I'm going to be in favor of it because I do it Any other questions comments from other board members? Dan Yeah pages comment was that uh Transition a significant amount of long months idle land And the only part that really pertains to this board Is wasted in easements and right of ways Otherwise, it's all private land. So I'm not sure prab has a lot to say here Except to think they're gonna we're gonna plant corn in medians or you know street medians or something the way this is written So, you know, I don't think we get to tell City council about residential At least that's not my understanding of prab um, so I guess we get it's nice that you Ask for our opinion, but I'm not sure it counts for much Anybody on staff want to comment on how this would be specifically applicable to parks and open space I will mention that you know Over 2,000 acres of the city's open space program is under an agricultural lease where we're, you know raising crops that go to a variety markets not necessarily to a farmer's market, but certainly for You know as we develop shutter beats and winter wheat and a variety of things So we are in this work group is very much involved in agriculture and what we're providing out out there again For me it would be thumbs to the side only because It's many of these details that we've not figured out if we take open space and subdivide it into small five-acre plots So that 30 or 40 families can you know now we're bringing in a lot more irrigation and infrastructure In order to do that. So, um, how that fits Is to be determined Certainly, you know the goal of greater food production within the community and and small is a you know very Grand goal like many of these are You know, I guess the bottom line is the devil's in the details I guess I would just say that you know since the first sentence of this is change zoning to allow for agricultural Enterprise residential properties as a resident, you know and as a person who owns a home in Longmont I'm like all for anything that encourages people to grow something besides grass um And and so I would be inclined as a resident to to upvote this Regardless of whether has any to do with parks and rec but I'll be I'll be sideways voting too for all the reasons that have been mentioned Any other comment? Yes, frenzy. I do want to comment that um, though the there is currently No code that limits residents to residents are allowed to grow food on their property Um, so I did so it does say to Expand that But we do already have code that allows a lot of that But it doesn't it does not address kind of the buying and selling that this expands into Just as for context on the residents and allowing is different from encouraging Right. Um, yes. Yeah Any other comments from the board? Okay, frenzy. Let's go ahead to the vote great I'm seeing I think five thumbs sideways and two thumbs up Thank you So we'll move on to the last recommendation which is connected bikeways And that one I'll read out the summary Can create a plan for safe and complete Longmont bikeways that interconnect all major nodes Neighborhoods and community service centers without crossing major roads slash highways And construct most of the system within the next 10 years with full completion in 20 years And again, there was a strong focus on Creating a fully lit above grade and limited to no traffic bikeways encounters Thank you, Heather Discussion from the board go ahead Rob I'm a bicycler and so I want more bike lanes And I'd like more bike lanes again around open space across parks and stuff like that So I'm in favor of bike lanes just because I ride a bicycle a lot so Well, the board has actually talked quite a bit about this issue and is you know in general very much in favor of all these connections We probably you know, it's probably not a lot of big discussion because it's um We've really gotten a lot of good education on it and it looks like the city's you know got a good start to Do I'd be in favor I just want to comment that I I grew up in a town that was designed from the ground up with a independent pedestrian and bike system and as a child, you know as kids it's I'm all for it. Obviously, it's easier to do if you design it in from the beginning than to try to retrofit a city But uh, I'm in favor of a goal like this board Ready to go to the vote Great. I believe I saw all thumbs up. Thank you great and That was the last recommendation. We were asking you to vote on Cut gotcha. I know we're a little bit over time We were going to ask for some high-level recommendations on both climate action and the just transition plan committee not Um, not asking for a vote just if anyone had any high-level comments But I also wanted to turn it over to you to whether we had time since in other boards We did run out of time and cut that if needed No, I'm happy to entertain about five minutes of discussion At the high level goals of the climate action task force and the just transition Thank you Go ahead pay I just wanted to add I didn't see anything in here since we have open space in our purview Protection of open space can be a really important both adaptation and sort of avoided carbon emissions strategy So it would actually be great to see, you know increased emphasis on You know protecting open spaces increasing open space protection as a Climate emission reduction and adaptation strategy Thank you page Any other comments from board members? Go ahead Dan Uh to david's point about keeping green islands and stuff Perhaps that needs to be mentioned the trade-offs between water reduction Residential versus corporate are not corporate, but civic And are we balancing can we maintain quality of life by shifting around who's doing the saving etc etc? You know, this is city-wide, but the whole balancing act Maybe people would be a little more amenable if they knew Either everybody Suffers equally or the city as a whole. It still has some green island that I can adjourn to That might I'm not sure that something to be thought about and discussed Thank you, Dan Any other board member comments? Anything uh, you want to close with frenzy Just wanted to thank you all for your time and providing your comments And we will go ahead. Oh, actually, um, if we have time Quickly, um, if we can just share the document so the board has an idea of what we'll be sending So this is kind of the format that we'll be sending to the city council And probably what we'll do is we'll um, just go through the comments one more time Just for consistency and how we're presenting them to the other board members But this is the format that we'll be doing And then are there any questions on that before I hand it back over for your next agenda item? Great. Um, and thank you again for providing your feedback and votes Thank you frenzy. Thank you, annie Um, moving on to new business item b the left hand creek bmx riparian issue steve Yes, thank you. I just had a great opportunity to clean off my desk. That was wonderful I just filled a recycling can so thank you for that time Uh, I am going to share some screens with you. I don't think prab is up to speed on this issue This was something that was brought to city council's attention back in may by a citizen who is concerned with our riparian corridors and um We've been looking at it for the past couple months as staff and we have some options to Take to city council. We wanted to get prabs input on that first so You can see i'm hoping left hand creek park Steve we're not seeing anything not seeing anything. Okay How about that? No, okay. Just one second. Thank you for Now you have it. I believe Yes Yes, thank you So left hand creek park pike road is right here. Here's the parking lot and the playground and the uh the athletic field area Uh when this park was originally built back in 1997 and 98 Uh, we created some soft surface paths into the riparian area so users could Enjoy the the creek corridor while they're using the park um, this has been eroded several times through large flood events. It's also been destroyed by people using this corridor um There has been a BMX course That has been created within this corridor And I tried to pull up some pictures that dan had sent to me, but I was not able to get them live tonight. I apologize, but if you can imagine There within these treat areas there's an area where children have created a denuded area for them to ride bikes dirt jumps Um, and then there's a an access where people bring their kids down to the water. It's serving almost as a beach type area Um the area within the riparian corridor being disturbed creates concerns of erosion as well as adverse impacts to the riparian, uh vegetation um the Resident who brought this to a city council member's attention back in may Uh was concerned about how the city was not really managing the uses in that riparian corridor and um And so city council asked staff to look at it and figure out what we could possibly do I believe there is in your count or your prab packet the email Summary that I uh came up with after meeting with a number of staff out there We've come up with three or four different options Um one is to just leave well enough alone and to Leave the BMX course as is I've talked with a company out of uh, kansas city called american punk track uh, they have come up with a couple of uh different Just one second, please. I'm sorry Okay, stop share They've come up with a couple of different ideas that we could do in some type of Steve did you want me to show those different? Uh series lumberjack and mason? I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Thanks. Susan. But yes, I'm getting there. So this is This is one that they said we could do in a riparian corridor something such as this Uh, this is all there's also the um Something such as this that we could do in the riparian corridor Probably cost about $10,000 $12,000 somewhere in that area to uh to dress that up some of the concerns are that We uh the access points on This property is using private property. So kids are trespassing when they're Accessing this area so we would have to work that out um The once the children found out that the city were Thinking about removing this they went to change.org and about 2000 signatures on a petition to keep this BMX area in place um, so that if we were to leave it in there or improve it to be in such a more safe, uh design It would be a sense of accomplishment for the kids that you know put this thing together But the cons are that it disrupts the riparian corridor along the creek during larger flood events. We have increased bank erosion um It's Accessing through private property. There's impacts to existing trees It's not necessarily a safe design and there's not really any way we can make it a completely safe design in that area because of the need to Contain the riders to a certain corridor Tend to riders tend to move wider and wider and wider and they're eroding in more and more and more area based on what their skills are and um To control that we'd have to put fencing in and fencing is sort of contrary to flood control within a riparian corridor And then the the beach that I mentioned there isn't any sort of lifeguards or water testing or anything like that So we're encouraging people to go down to a Water body that is not controlled by the city um the second option would be to really relocate the the bmx course Right here There's a detention pond in this location right here. This is currently private property, but it's unused property by this development and We could certainly use This land if this property owner were to dedicate it to us, which we were pretty confident they would To create some sort of a bike skills area that would be an asset or an extension of left hand creek park But would not adversely impact the athletic fields within the park um, but would relieve the corridor the riparian corridor of the impacts of the the uses including the beach as well as the the bmx Sorry here. I'm This is something that we are looking at um same company out of uh, Kansas City that I talked about which would be a sort of an act raid uh, course that the kids can ride on And uh, this sort of thing cost about 50 60 thousand dollars And then in order to repair Reestablish the riparian corridor. We'd have to spend another 30 to 35 thousand dollars on uh revegetation fencing and some access points down to the waterway Where people could safely and without damaging the riparian veggie riparian vegetation without damaging that Get access down to the water so, you know pros of that or is that We are providing another bike amenity in south central lawnmont um This area is Accessible to the dickens farm nature area bike skills area through a I think it's two and a half miles. I measured From the park up to dickens farm, but there are no road crossings there's also in our capital improvement program a future bike skills area proposed at sisters community park which is A shorter distance probably about a mile and a half, but you'd have to cross main street out of light Um, this is an unbudgeted request. So that's a con. We don't have any funds for it Council would need to direct us where to try to get the funds fund from Again, I'm thinking about a hundred thousand hundred thousand dollars or so This would also be contingent upon the property owner Wanting to dedicate that land to the city which We are not, um Anticipating that'd be a problem, but you never know and then the other Con of this is this would necessitate ranger activity To enforce the closure, you know, if we're closing down the riparian corridor We need to make sure that we can get the revegetation Established in such a way where kids aren't still using it and uh Our ranger program is not quite so robust right now And our open space and parks operation staff is is somewhat strained So that would be an impact on those staff members to try to watch this and make sure that The revegetation is is happening in a in a successful manner and then the other Option would be to just remove all access points To the creek we don't need to have them down there. We don't need to have them Riding their bikes down there or accessing the water down there We can fence this area off and have a pristine riparian corridor and Tell the children that they can ride their bikes over to dickens or ride to sisters when that's built in the next couple three years And not have any sort of bike skills or water access in this corridor so We have not uh david Staff does not have a strong recommendation. We really wanted to hear what uh parks board had to say So again to summarize option one is to do nothing and maybe spend 15 to 20 thousand dollars to improve the existing bike area Spend about a hundred thousand dollars on a new bike skills area and improve beach beach access or to spend about 30 thousand dollars to re-establish The areas that have been disturbed by the public and then remove everything and um Let the public know they're not welcomed down in the riparian corridor And that's about all I have except for questions Questions and comments from the board go ahead rob Unmute yourself rob Rob, you're still on mute Okay, can you hear me now? Yes. Thank you. You can't keep the kids out I don't care what you do if they if it's in there. They're gonna keep coming I think I'm in favor of the hundred thousand dollar thing and the whole staff whole business on the other hand With covet and decreasing fees and money coming in and revenues I don't think we can afford it. I mean, it's nice and I would I You know, so I would just say we should defer this or at least table it Until the financial picture looks a lot better Manoj um, I guess it has had the same thing in the bike path And with the winds it was the whole thing blown away And they had to spend 30 40 thousand dollars again to put it back um, so I guess Uh, just repair it with 10 15 000 until the funding is there. That would be my recommendation Was eerie's situation a city built uh area or A volunteer project like this one city city will that To be clear kaca. This was not a volunteer. This was uh, I I Yes Volunteer in quotes uh spontaneous, uh, public use of public space without any approval Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to Jeff I just wanted to clarify steve. Can you tell us more about the sister park that you were talking about a minute ago? I don't know anything about I'm trying to find it on a map just to context All right. Yes, I can do that. I'm going to pull up um Let's see. I'm going to try to get you over there. Uh, you're familiar with workman neighborhood park possibly So let's see. Let's try to I'm going to share my screen. I'm going to share this one Um tennis courts uh rec center museum right here. Okay quail road and main street. This is workman neighborhood park and um This is under design right now. There'll be a pond built right here This land right here is 80 acres of future community park So we will be building this in the future this area here What we're thinking is that uh, we have some pond dredgings that we've been dumping in this area right in here And we think that we can create a temporary Maybe a porta potty a gravel parking lot and some hills for kids to or people to bike on And do some sort of a low-cost Bike skills area until we end up developing this park, which is not anywhere in our five-year capital improvement program But it's sort of a temporary use in a community park property I would bet based on the Master plans we've done for other community parks throughout the city that does none of them have a Full-on bike skills area that sisters would be one that we would end up having some sort of full-on bike skills valmont park style type of uh facility That's most appropriate in a community park within the city system But uh, we don't have the funds for the full-on build out of this park at this point in time Thank you You're welcome age Yeah, I mean well first I don't I wouldn't support option one At all for all of the reasons that you highlighted along with the fact that it endorses this kind of behavior Which is inappropriate. So, you know, I don't I don't think there's any real wins in that feeling good about ruining city property um, you know, I think option two is Would be nice. I mean, maybe there's a two a where you sort of improve the beach access so that it's not detrimental and you know postpone the The bike skills thing or, you know, maybe put it in this temporary location um, I think if the budget were not where it was You know, it would be more worth considering Developing a smaller bike skills area there But I would be concerned one about them still being in the riparian, you know, being close to the riparian area And then just kind of veering over there Sort of a temptation to keep going back to where it was Um, and then also sort of what is the trade-off if you did that smaller area would that then sacrifice the ability to do a more valmont like Feature, you know in the future. So I would want to know sort of what the trade-off was if that was pursued Well, uh, so dan or susan one of the two brought up a photo of that sort of riparian bike skills area that the kids created You can see the dirt piled against the base of the trees and The denuded course Where they're using it Page I I think yeah, you know, it's a good point if we are When we're spending a hundred thousand dollars on something new we're pulling it away from something else I don't know what that is Um, counts would have to sort of figure that out Uh, but yes, it would be pulling away from something else Uh, Steve a question about your your hundred thousand dollars for option two Does that include the cost of removing the notices include the thirty thousand dollars to remove all this Change it's it's close. Yes Yep, we're looking at about 60 000 dollars for the bike skills area and then 30 000 to 35 000 for the The restoration and the fencing and things like that Uh another 5000 for land acquisition will have to replat the property and things like that. Um You know, I oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I really think that if you look at our parks and recreation and trails master plan we look at trying to provide Specific type uses within areas of the city. So, you know, north south east-west north central south central Uh, trying to have you know ball fields soccer fields um splash gardens baseball, um volleyball basketball all the different options for people to use within those gap areas Uh bike skills is one that is not Super well-distributed throughout the city. We have a facility at uh blue skies park In southwest lawnmont. We have one at steven day park in northeast lawnmont We have one at dickens that was just built Uh the the one at sisters we anticipate having built in the next couple of years so Whether one is necessary in this area of town There isn't one within the half mile gap area. No But one is necessary in this area town where they have A great playground. They have a uh roller hockey facility Uh, they have a large athletic field And there are other parks kanamoto park is just up the road that has a swimming pool and volleyball and um Other open turf areas. So, you know, I think they're pretty well covered in south central lawnmont But they do not have a bike skills area at this point in time Uh sue go ahead So one of my questions is This private property owner doesn't mind these kids doing this or what's the story on that? Uh sue, I don't think they even know I don't think they know where the property boundary is. There's no fence Or anything like that. We had it surveyed and um, I remember back when that property developed And the city made some concessions and didn't quite get all the land. We probably should have gotten but You remember don bestler. I blame him I agree blame it on don I'll call him tonight. So the city has there's no liability issues for the city At this point in time if we do nothing, we will put signs up saying No bike riding unsafe conditions Something like that. Yeah, there's there there might be a little liability that we know about it right now We have not done anything. So We would at minimum put up some fencing and signs telling people that it's not safe to be in there doing what they're doing So, I mean I can see why kids want to create something like that because when we were kids We had places like that, you know, I feel like our city kids don't I don't agree with what they did I think it's wrong and I think it's a but not the right place, but um Could these kids be engaged to help fundraise? Possibly You know to get them involved in a new design if there is a new place and not just these kids city kids in general And I mean that might be just something to you know, if you could get some parent group and kids together that would Possibly, you know fundraise for one of these cool features It just might be an idea. I thought that would be interesting too it it it would be um We have a fledgling volunteer program We do not currently have any sort of uh public Fundraising program uh that we you know have in place we would have to put something like that together We would certainly engage The community including the youth when we would go about designing What we would design but with limited funds the input would be somewhat limited Steve I'm gonna I'm gonna cut you off and let Jeff uh Time in here. I'm sorry. I just want to clarify from the park side not the business side Are people allowed to walk from the park to where they are is the problem that they're there or the problem that they're biking Okay, so there's two sides of the creek Uh the side of the creek that has the quote-unquote beach on it They are allowed to walk down there, but they're walking off trail down into the water The trail did not lead down to the water Where the bike BMX area is There was never any public access intended for that area. They just found this area as A path of leash resistance, but as a member of the public I mean, I guess we're supposed to walk on trails But how does someone supposed to know that like I mean kind of like she said as kids You could walk places I I get the bike park, but I don't understand Our rules and regulations say that to stay on trails And that that that is the way we build our parks is for people to stay on trails Uh and not go off trails in Native areas the people can go down there if they stay on the trail. Yes But there is no trail where the BMX areas was David then Dan Yeah, I think I think steve covered most of it. I think as far as engaging that community We don't want to have a way to require those Neighborhood kids to be involved in that process I think something we wanted to do on the reason steve has reached out to the neighborhoods is if we could engage them That'd be a great opportunity I think some of the things that we're throwing here are things that we should keep on our radar is how do we look at having um ways that we can Bring dollars and to help us on these projects. However, I'll throw out there as managing steve at these time and daniels If you get a group that's Said we just raise money because we think we have the super cool idea to be great in our backyard Not only is it the dollars they are impacted. It's their time So do we pull them from doing a project in a neighborhood that may not have something just because they don't have a Affluent community that has ability to pull dollars together. Do we pull them to take that that new direction? So I think there's also a piece that we need to always remember to just because we raise money doesn't mean that we're going to Pull them from existing projects to shift them over there. We have to really think about that as well Wow, so that that's all I really wanted To add on that and I do think our rules and rights as steve mentioned, you know, primarily as bikes You're required to be on trails But the the biggest concern with being off trail and things that I think dan and his group spent a lot of time on If we start seeing those social trails developed as a place that we like to get back and educate people that if We're starting to build social trails. How do we either incorporate those or how do we then? go about educating people not to be in those areas, but Pedestrians walking around off trail is something that we we know happens and we expect to happen and it's it really is not required in our rules and rights But it really is the bike impact and wolfry And to address Jeff's concern It's a lot more than just you know getting out on that social travel and riding your bicycle as you saw in some of those photos Those kids have actually excavated into the into banks and and remove trees. Um, there's some vandalized, you know Significant mature trees that have been cut You've got rope swings that are hanging off those. So it's a lot more than just walking or bicycling It's literally habitat destruction Okay, what I'd like to do now is take a vote on each of Uh, the options that steve presented in order to provide a recommendation Of from prab and i'm not quite sure how to handle it if we don't have some sort of majority consensus, but let's uh Do a show of hands first how many people are in favor of option? One which was leave it as it is Can I ask are we voting once for all three like how many votes are we doing sorry? I think each person has one vote you get to vote for one option. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, so a show of hands for option one leave as is Rob is are you voting for it? Okay, so jeff I see one vote for option one. Is that correct? Okay, option two Build a whole another course elsewhere at a significant cost And this would include removing the changes that these kids have made. Uh, can I see a show of hands? I have a question Yes, because I I don't support that in full. I mean, I think a modified version of option two Is what I would suggest so I don't know how to Sure Be open to a hybrid of option two as Funding the restoration and then waiting for the funds to become available for a bike skills area If that's what you're looking for a page Okay, well then then I will add that as a fourth item at the end so option two Which is the hundred thousand dollar remove the damage that's been done and build a whole new bike course somewhere else Can I see a show of hands in favor of option two? We have one vote option three, uh, you know restore the area To its intended use and add signage, fencing, whatever Um At a estimate of thirty thousand dollars. Uh, can I see a show of hands in favor of option three? Rob, you can't vote twice Okay So rob, do you want to vote for two or for three? three Three, okay, so we have zero votes for option two two votes for option three Option four is a hybrid restore the area and look at a smaller or more financially feasible Uh bike skills area page is that accurate If I could design my own option it would be doing the restoration Improving the beach access and then looking for the right opportunity to do a Bike skills course in the future so focusing now on the restoration and Maybe improving the beach access so that it's not causing environmental damage I love the idea of a bike skills course, but I want it to be in the right place. So You know, I support that being Still in the mix, but just not urgent Would uh Sue you have a comment question about the beach I mean, it's just really an appropriate place for a beach. I'm kind of confused about the beach thing on a river access, right? Yeah, it's it's just access down in the water. You'll see mothers Um Put their lawn chairs in the water while their toddlers are playing in the water It's pretty low flows what I've experienced down there or seen down there if anybody knows, uh Rocky grass or folks Fest It's very akin to what's to the state to the right of the stage There where you have just that little access down to the water where everyone is Down interacting with the water getting in the water trying to get wet, but it's um It's not uh full. There's no sand. It's just dirt kids are buildings digging some holes and putting Buckets of water down which creates a little bit more erosion on the banks To try to dig sand castles, but there's no sand. It's just dirt Sorry dan wolford if you're familiar with riders grove prior to the 2013 flood where a lot of people um Accessed the river again, you know relatively shallow quick access low flows that provided Um quick and easy access it's simple access to the river So from a staff point of view, um You know, Steve, what's your opinion about Pages comment about improving access to the water while at the same time restoring the red perian area I think what we have in mind is to try to formalize the access a little bit better. So it doesn't hasn't doesn't have a 25 30 40 foot length of bank That's just completely denuded of that vegetation Trying to put some sandstone steps and maybe a little area for them to get down to the water But try to revegetate the area around those steps So they can still interact with the water, but also have erosion protection for the The banks during higher flows Okay, manoj and dan ulson. We haven't heard from you in terms of your thoughts on this manoj Yeah, I like the page idea. I will improve the access and Uh restore the area that will be have a less financial strain so Yeah I'll be for that that idea dan ulson um That's the easy and cheaper way. I understand but the 2000 signatures were gathered for the bmx thing That's a lot of upset people if we put that off till COVID budget comes up. So while I'm agreeing with option four or however this hybrid thing is I think there's flak to be had here um, you know somehow we have to couch that Uh, yeah, we're working on it. You can't do this But we get your message here and we're here's one step and another one along the way I'm not sure that'll fly or the city council want a recommendation from us Is that what or are we volunteering this? You're volunteering this city council asked us to come back with How we wanted to handle this we thought it best to try to take this to prab For your thoughts. So we're throwing you Into the into the throw here Appreciate that Jeff since you voted for you know, let it be you want to address that in in the context of page's idea I have a little torn. I mean I I felt like it's unenforceable, you know, unless we're gonna have a ranger there Seemed to me based on the budget based on the kids wanting it based on not being able to have rangers for it The do nothing option seemed like the most reasonable choice Um, I like page's idea. That would be my second choice. If not my I mean I could be swayed But um, I don't see how we're like robert said it already like how are we gonna keep kids out of there? You're gonna spend money on it and then people are gonna want to go back or I don't know Um, that's not an answer. Sorry. I guess I'll I'll leave my vote with number one It doesn't cost any money, but I understand what dan said we've got damage there, which is unfortunate So so kind of the the feeling I'm getting for the sense of at least the majority of the board is that page's uh concept Is the way that we would like to go assuming that the city can afford it. Um page, would you be willing to make a motion uh to the effect that that prab You know recommends this course of action if possible, and then we'll take a vote And of course any any board members who don't feel that that's the way to go are free to vote against that Sure, I should have written down what I said Um, I recommend that we um Or I move that we recommend to counsel that they proceeded with restoration and um improve the condition of the water access In the near term and then continue to pursue Options for a bike skills area in the most appropriate place when possible Thank you. Nikki. Did you get that motion? I did Do we have a second dan olson seconds? Any further discussion? Okay, all those in favor of the motion, please indicate by raising your hands Okay, we have six in favor all those opposed. Please indicate by raising your hands Jeff you're abstaining Okay, we have six in favor one abstention the motion passes. Uh, how's that work for you steve? That's great. Uh, I hope to get this to the council here Oh probably first week of september depending on the agendas Okay, time on that. I know it wasn't easy would have been great to have a meeting out there or whatever But that's just not our world anymore Okay, we have 10 minutes left unless we want to move to extend the meeting. Um items from staff Dan wolford You're muted. It's muted I was going to jump into item c for you and telling you that We've uh, I'm so sorry No, no, no, no I was going to just jump in and say that we were um, at least myself anyhow a bit over zealous on the disposition of open space um tomorrow night council will be Finalizing the change of language In your packet you have the Basically a revised copy of the council's communication and like I was saying we were a bit over zealous in bringing this to you One of the requirements For a recommendation from the parks board is that we provide um notice to the um Not only to the city's website, which you know the agenda for this has done but to also Post in the newspaper under general circulation, which we did not do So with that said, I'm happy to discuss this particular item for 10 minutes and get a sense from the parks board Or as david and I've talked about it We're certainly willing to withdraw this item shorten your evenings by at least five minutes and then bring this back next month Going through this process and making certain that any comments that we get from the public Either through emails or whatever that might be or in front of you so that you can make a decision With that public comment David Yeah, I was just going to say I think you know I want to give down a little cover here because as we've been directed by council back in 2015 to do these conservation easements um Thinking it through and looking at giving a conservation easement is a real property right that we're giving away So it really is a disposition of office space even though this is what council wanted to do They wanted to do it the right way as well So I really do think putting the notice out to the public that way if we get any Information back we can bring that to you and we have a conversation then that really does loop in that public comment If we get any and then move forward it slows things down. So dan wasn't being over gels I think it was a process we've used in the past so My recommendation would be that we really just wait for us to Notice it correctly bring it all back to you at once and give you the appropriate time to have this conversation Thank you. Let's please table that item for the next meeting Uh items from Staff dan anything else? I'm good. Thank you David anything else? I would really quickly just like to say Thank you to danielle for her work On the button rock forestry management planners to mou is being worked with with the forest service boulder county And other agencies to try to bring grant money in to help us Manage our forest up in that area to protect our watershed It's been signed by council, but they're going to have a ceremonial signing that I really do think the forest service in boulder county and other agencies have They're really Pleased with the the results that would have been achieved through on this process. So Mayor pro tem rodriguez will be going up to netherland on thursday to be part of that ceremony And I want to thank him for doing that as well Thank you Steve ranceweiler anything else? Not unless you have questions for me. I'm good Items from the board councilmember rodriguez Thank you very much. I just want to thank you all for your service I'll definitely be able to have a good characterization for the rest of council and we are discussing the board's recommendations or views concerning the the new sustainability Suggestion recommendations from the task force. So thank you all so much for your time to see me Thank you rob Okay Oh, okay. I just want to say that I'm helping daniel do a survey on the use of macintosh lake this month Great, thank you. Uh dan olson I didn't realize there was a survey going on last night at 7 30 p.m. In the evening There were 47 boats on macintosh lake that I could see And of those boats at least six didn't have people in them because they're swimming Now I understand that swimming is not legal But not enforced. So this all this Macintosh lake is like a much larger version of what we just discussed at left hand creek I mean, it's huge If you I live about a block away luckily because if I was on the street there I'd be pretty perturbed at all the cars there Now I understand Dave you David you mentioned this a week a month ago two months ago That's now discovered and I get all that but The snow swimming signs that we saw one morning. There were three little paper ones on sticks We're gone within two hours And if we're gonna enforce no swimming, we got to be serious right now It's a mess waiting to happen or maybe it is happening. Do we have to rescue folks? you know I don't think we can put our head in the sand here unless that's a Something the city has decided to do Maybe do you want to respond? yeah, just Real quickly on that dan. I just want to One let you know that our head is not in the sand. I think the the challenge we have is how did we respond to something? That the city and other agencies all along the front range and actually I can see to say nationwide and around the world as we have People being told to stay home, but get out and use our natural areas. It's really kind of Increased that use we talked about it a button rock talked about it down along the creeks but those areas like dickens and macintosh Have been significantly impacted. We recognize that so with the resources we have how do we manage that in a way that Allows people to do was loud in a park But also Enforced rules and rags and try to be good neighbors out there. So we have been working with our our transportation group We can work with rangers. I'm paying pd extra overtime hours to be out there on the weekends We've put up those additional signs, but doing a sign package to really redo signs out there I think the number I got for like an intermediate sign package where we just went From paper signs to a temporary sign is about 11,000 dollars If we want to do a full sign package to redo our rules and rags and put up signs that reflect the no swimming Which is now a my biggest concern out there dana. I'll take my two both I'm with you swimming is the key Right. So swimming is the biggest one we need to hit while swimming and I'm seeing a lot of those boats out there that Again, I'm just going to say is I have to prioritize having more than 25 Is a pretty big lake. We have the buoys up to protect the wildlife if I have 45 I feel people I can keep distance. I'm okay at that But not having personal floatation devices or what's necessary to keep them safe and not having rangers out there Is a concern so trying to get the message out Don't swim in this water because we don't test it. We don't know the e-coli number is we don't have a beach We don't have lifeguards and if you've been at water have a personal floatation device with you those are the two for me that um I think we're going to keep trying to figure out how to do it and that's what Danielle is trying to do these surveys with volunteers to see what we're seeing so those sort of numbers can come back and say prioritizing resources is this Neighbors who are seeing it they're they're calling in those saturday afternoons or is this an ongoing Challenge that we have to face and I've been out there on saturdays as well. So I know this is a challenge that we have to address believe me So our heads on the sand it really is How how do we deploy as everyone's mentioned? I when we're having reduced revenues. We're having reduced budgets. We're having reduced staffing. How do we address this? So Eyes are wide open, but I don't have good answers for you I don't have to not be able to provide what I would hope to be a great answer to counsel yet other than We're trying to do as much as we can with the resources that we have Three more months. It won't matter. There'll be a little bit of ice Even okay at this at this point Right now real quick and now we're getting closer our cutoff just so you know Water resources here and as as we talk about how we manage our parts. We use raw water for that this time of year We don't have access to the river and creek So we are playing water for macintosh that water level starts coming down too. So That will be another reason maybe will not be such as much of a traction Before I recognize the next speaker. I need to ask if anybody wishes to make a motion to extend our normal meeting time I would suggest by 30 minutes Dan uh Dan moves that we extend our meeting time Sure You can't stay. Uh, the other option is to adjourn uh prior to Um, we can extend the meeting time and and say goodbye to page that works too. Unfortunately What else needs to be discussed? That's uh, we have the remainder of items from the board and we have public invited to be heard But we can also entertain a meeting for adjournment Isn't that correct, uh Nicky. Yeah, I I can't Stay are we required to have public invited to be heard must we be on for five more minutes anyway? Not I don't believe so if we if we run out of time David, do you know I do not know. Um, here's jeff freesner when you need him Okay, uh, would anybody like in that case? Uh, would anybody like to make a motion to adjourn at this time? I'll change mine to adjourn Okay, jeff ellen bogan moves to adjourn All those in favor of adjourning, please signify by raising your hands Thank you very much. The motion is unanimous. I'm sorry that we could not quite finish the agenda Thank you all for your time and we'll see you next time. Thank you. Thank you