 Welcome back to the Breakfast and Plus TV Africa. One of the stories that was shared on the papers this morning, I think on the Daily Independent was, of course, Bolan Metinibu speaking about him back in the country, and of course, Bean Hill and Herty, and the governor of Lagos State, Babajire Song Waluu, also supporting and doing what was possible to, of course, welcome the former governor back into the state as the build-up to the 2023 elections runs faster. But at the same time, there was also on the Daily Independent a story on the vice president, Professor Yemi Ushimbajo, and it says here, Ushimbajo on a coalition course with tenable pushes to succeed Buhari. We're speaking this morning with once again, Mark Adebayo and Mr. Nika Gule. Good morning to you both. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me once again. All right, Mr. Gule, good morning. Thank you. Okay. Good morning. Good morning to you. Thank you for having me. I'm going to start with Mr. Gule this morning. Quickly, your views on the Southwest, you know, and its positioning, its strategizing towards 2023. There have been criticism, you know, and of course critics who have pointed out certain things that they either did well or did wrong in 2015 in bringing the current administration into power. As they, of course, we get close to 2023, share your thoughts on the positioning and the strategies of the Southwest with Bola Metinubu and Professor Yemi Ushimbajo as rumored. Well, thank you very much. I think as a nation, we should move on. Whatever happened in 2015 is already watered under the bridge. So it is already spilled milk and we cannot continue to dwell on it because it's history. What we need as a nation is how do we move forward? How do we get this country back on track? Because every analyst, if they are honest, will agree that all things are not well with Nigeria. So that will be my comment on what happened in 2015. So 2023 and the strategy starts are forming all over the country. I would say that the Southwest region of Nigeria have a legitimate claim to the presidency in 2023 because the Southwest of Nigeria is an integral part of the federation and every citizen of Nigeria has, so long as they are qualified. Nika Gule, can you hear us? Seems we may have lost them there. Makadebayo, can you hear me clearly? Okay. All right. We'll try to reconnect with Nika Gule. Makadebayo, I want you to go on with that same question. The Southwest and its positioning towards 2023. All right. Seems we may have lost both our guests, you know, and of course as we try to No, I'm back. I'm back. Okay. Go ahead, Ms. Adebayo. No, no. I didn't hear your question actually. Oh, I was asking that you go on with the same question. You know, the Southwest and its positioning towards 2023. It seems there might be a clash of political heads as, you know, we draw closer to the elections. All right. Still, of course, Ms. Gule, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Sorry. Welcome back. All right. Ms. Adebayo, I can't hold on. Nika Gule, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Go ahead, please. I was going to say that Professor Yemusimba Jor, the Vice President of Nigeria, as the Americans we say is a heartbeat away from the presidency. So he is not only just qualified, given that he has functioned in the United States, for six years, running into seven, but he's a citizen of Nigeria. Now, whatever is happening between him and his political godfather, Mr. Ametinibu, is what politicians who always do. There's always justly for power. And we're going to continue to see these games in the run-off to the 2023 elections. And then of the day, what should happen is that the Internet democracy of the APC as a party, the Internet democracy of the APC as a party, is mounted by a majority of members of that party, of the APC, to stand. So for us as citizens who have our voter's cards and are waiting to vote, we want the parties, especially the two major parties, to present to us credible and viable candidates that we emerge from an Internet party democracy that assures that people's wishes, that is members of the party, the APC, that their wishes are respected by the party and the candidate that is presented is the one that is agreeable to a majority of the party members. Let me bring you in here to share your thoughts on the possibility of a difference between the Southwest APC and the Presidency APC. If you understand what I mean. Go ahead, let's get your thoughts on that one. Is there those possibilities of two different lines? First and foremost, let me just say that, let me intervene by saying that it is not this issue between Ashua Igubo-Lame-Tinumu and Vice President Yemi Oshiba. It's not a Southwest strategy. It is an individual thing. It is their own individual ambition to become the President of Nigeria. It has nothing to do with the collectivity of the Southwest. So it is individual as well as just for power. As a matter of fact, it is a counter strategy against the Southwest. Every Southwest is really serious and desires of producing the next president. We shouldn't be having these type of classes coming on. So it is a counter strategy for the Southwest as a whole. So what is happening is individuals just doing for power to position themselves to become President 2023. You see my main concern, my middle concern is that the fact, the mere fact that we are having this conversation is an indictment on the organizational capacity for lack of it of the Nigerian youth. Why are we having this conversation between these two juggernauts? Why are we not talking about a new face, a younger person who is organizing for presidency? Seventy million Nigerian youth? Where are they in this conversation? We have to run advocates and activists. Because it is an indictment of the younger generation that we are discussing these two people. We should be discussing a new face. We should be discussing somebody who is going to give us a new vision, a younger person on the block who is changing the narratives from the current trajectory of tragedy to a better Nigeria. We should be having this conversation. Now, I believe very sincerely that the two people have legitimate constitutional rights to aspire to become the President of Nigeria. But I want to believe that what I mentioned ago has given us due. I certainly believe that. It has given us due. I don't want a situation where it will have been better for him to remain as a kingmaker. That is without contending with his rights to aspire to become the President. I believe he has also given us a place due. But we need a different narrative. This is where the Nigerian youth must organize. We should not be having this conversation. And then we should not disagree with Mr. Agouleh is that for him calling on the two so-called media parties to give us. No, no, no. I think we have seen what they can do. We have seen what they cannot do. We have seen their lack of capacity. We have seen their lack of patriotism. We have seen their lack of vision for a Nigeria that is progressive, that is developed and advanced. We have seen that. We need a new organization. We need a new party. We need new people, new faces to join the fray. You know, we cannot say that we want to move forward while we keep looking backwards. We cannot move forward like that. It's a recipe for crashing. I'm seeing these opportunities to call on the Nigerian, the younger and younger relations. And this is time for you to share the narrative. It is not enough to get a lot past and then you go back and sit back. I was saying that there are no young people in their 40s, in their 50s who can come together, organize and produce a candidate. You know, we are taking on the challenges. That is why we said we are telling INEC we need to register new organizations, new political parties that can give a fight to these juggernauts in 2023. We need to share the narrative. And we cannot share the narrative. We do not remodel our leadership recruitment processes in this country. We need younger people with younger vision, with younger power, with younger energy to run their fears. We should not be having conversations. You know, France cannot say that we should not become victims of a saco of certainty. We must resist the temptation to remain victims of a saco of certainty. That we cannot move beyond that. No. All right. Ms. Adebayo. Nick Agouli, I'm bringing you back in. You know, I'm sure that you would also like to talk about the possibilities of a new face and new force, you know, if there's enough time for that to even be achieved. Seeing the way that Nigerian politics truly is played and, you know, looking at it at the grassroots level, the amount of information that needs to be spread, the amount of publicity that needs to be done in the next one year, it might be almost impossible. But I want you to, you know, share once again on the Vice President, Anne Bolema Tinnubu, and also keep in mind, I think it's important that I say this, that there has not been an actual, you know, declaration of either of these two presidents to run or, you know, that they both are, you know, fighting each other, you know, for who would eventually take that seat. These are really just media narratives that are springing up here and there that we're analyzing. So Ms. Agouli, for the Vice President, you know, what would you tell of him if he decides that he will go ahead and, you know, seek the ticket against Bolema Tinnubu? Thank you very much. To answer your question, I just want to add to what my co-panelist, Mr. Adebayu, has said. I am all for a third force. I am all for a fresh face on the scene. But these things can happen. They can't just happen like that. There has to be a force, a movement that takes that to happen. So 2023 is not too far off. Do we have that movement? I think at this point we should first and foremost be mobilizing people to first and foremost get their voters' cards. Because it is when they register and have voters' cards that we'll be able to mobilize them to even stand behind the third force in 2023. Now to answer your question, in my own personal opinion, I believe that the Vice President, Professor Yemo Sibangio, is heavily qualified to vie for the position of the President of Nigeria. Why? Because there has been moments when the President had to travel overseas for medical attention. And Professor Yemo Sibangio had the opportunity to act as President. And we saw within the time that he acted as President, in great shoots of good things happening at the federal level in our governance. And so I believe that he has the capacity to do it. He may probably not be fully exercising his capacity and competence at this time because he is only a Vice President. And he can only act based on what the President is delegating to him. But those moments that he had to act as President, I think he acted with courage, especially he sat, I think there was a National Security Advisor. He was the head of the DSS at that time. The director of DSS that organized, orchestrated the attack on the legislative arm of government. He had the courage to suck him, something that is very rare in this government. So I would definitely support that he to vie for the position of President. I also agree with my co-panelist, Mr. Adebayo, to say that for Bola Hamid, you know, I mean he has capacity, as legal state governor, we saw that he did good things. But the position of the President of Nigeria is a very busy position. You see, the President of Nigeria is the busiest President in the world. You know what? The President of Nigeria is even running secondary schools. Secondary schools is running railways, is running water, running electricity, running all these things. The President of America doesn't run those things. The UK Prime Minister doesn't run those things. They only look at the big things, foreign policy, defense, all of that. So the President of Nigeria needs to be someone who is agile, someone who has energy, someone who can put in 24 hours, work in a day. And Mr. Tinibu, it looks to be someone in failing health. And honestly, I mean like Mr. Adebayo said, for his own good health and for his own longevity activity, he should probably just pass on into an advised role. Because even that he hasn't taken the position, he's in an act of medical facilities. But if he not takes the whole stress of the presidency and puts on his head, he may probably not live that long anymore. Alright, Mr. Adebayo, finally in one minute, Mark Adebayo quickly show your thoughts on some of the things that you were talking about earlier, the third force, your new face. Do you think we honestly believe that that is really achievable in the next one year? Yeah, there's a way, there's a way. Now, Mr. Adebayo, the President of Nigeria also runs Kato, because he runs Kato, he looks for Kato Roads. So just to add to the description of the Nigeria President. Yes, it is possible, it is doable. Yeah, there's a way, there's a way. Mr. Adebayo, we heard about OP, our party. That is an organization being put together by young people, professionals and activists all over the country who have submitted applications to INEP for the decisions to the political party. And I think Nigeria should key into that. It is doable. If the regional comes out in good time, they can make a difference. It takes just six months of serious organizing for that to happen. The third force can happen. And OP is one of the third forces. And I'm going to reach out to Mr. Adebayo on this later. So I think it is possible, I don't think we should start from the premise of pessimism. The young people of this country must come together, join forces with well-meaning older generations to be able to bring the necessary change to this country. What we need is a peaceful, sociopolitical revolution that is going to take Nigeria to the status of an advanced society, like UAE has done. It doesn't take too much, it's not rocket science to be able to make a country develop. It should remove corruption, remove the partisan, remove introgressive thinking and then you'll be able to move forward as a country. The third force is possible. There are other options available out there in the country that people are coming together and organizing. All we need to do is that we must change the momentum. Let us change the momentum from the backward generation to the forward-moving generation to the forward-looking generation so that Nigeria can move forward. We must not limit our conversation to PDP and APC, they have expired. We must not limit our conversation to the older generations. We must be able to bring people on board who may well for this country and who can move the country forward. Mark Adebayo, thank you once again for joining us on the breakfast in our conversations this morning. We wish you a very beautiful week ahead. We're looking forward to speaking with you again. Thank you so much. And of course, Miss Annika Gulli, always interesting speaking with you also. Thank you very much for your time. Have a great, great week ahead. Thank you very much. You guys are doing an awesome job. Keep up, keep at it. Thank you very much. And that is where we will be wrapping up the conversations this morning on the breakfast. If you missed out on any of it, remember where to catch up. It's simply at Plus TV Africa on Facebook and Instagram. See what our YouTube channel at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa lifestyle. I am Kusar G. of Bara. See you tomorrow.