 Dr. Record. Hello and welcome to the digital free thought radio hour on W O Zio radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville, Tennessee. We're recording this on Sunday morning, July 3 2022. I'm Larry Rhodes or doubter five and as usual, we have our co-host one bed on the line with us. Hello, I'm back. I'm the one that And we also have dread pirate Higgs welcome from Western Canada away from Kentucky. And John Richards from across the pond in England, London. Welcome. And we have a new guest this morning, Fabby welcome to the show. We'd like to get into talking about you and how you became an atheist and all that good stuff after about the rest of the intro. We're going to talk about digital free thought radio hours to talk radio show about atheism free thought rational thought humanism and the sciences. And conversely, we'll also talk about religion, religious faith, God's holy books and superstition. And if you get the feeling that you're the only non believer in town, where you're just not in Knoxville, the middle of the Bible belt, we have a group of over 1000 of us. And we'll tell you more about that after Mitchell break. One that what's our topic today. Today, we're talking about a bunch of stuff. We'll be talking about Supreme Court, we're going to be talking about why we shouldn't give up hope we should be talking about voting, and then also why the moon isn't the way to go, particularly in new cycles but before we get into the meat and potatoes with throw it up with some pasta with our own dread pirate Higgs for weekly invocation. Quabby me captain I shall not want. He maketh me to float in salt water. He steer with me through glassy seas. He filleth me bowl. He steer with me through the straits of new illness for goodness sake. I, though I sail through the heaving of tempestuous waters. I will fear not sinking for that worked with me by master my rudder. He comfort me. Thou preparest a feast before me in the presence of me mates. Thou quenches my thirst with grog, my goblet runneth over. Truly pasta and grog shall abide with me all the days of me life. And I shall dwell in the galley of the quad forever. Welcome to the show everybody. We think hard and thinking hard is going to be probably a running topic throughout this show in particular. Don't think easy. Think hard. What do I mean by that? Well, it's easy to think easy. It's hard to think hard. It's more rewarding. We'll get into it. It's the unknown unknowns we don't have. Exactly. You got to think hard to get through them whenever someone's giving you an easy solution or an easy emotion to reach forth. Don't take it. You've got to take it for the higher stuff. Apologies to Don Rumsfeld. But we do have some new faces here. I figure we give some time to introduce. Fabi, you're on the show. Hey, welcome. Hi, thank you. My name is Fabi. I was born and raised in Mexico City. Wonderful. I went to Catholic school all my life up until college. My condolences. Thank you. Then I moved to Switzerland while I was around Germany, Italy. And then I moved to Switzerland. I was there almost 18 years, 19 years. And now I'm here in Tennessee, which is quite a shock. I have to say there's a lot of, I don't know, like, moving from a country that is Catholic and moving to Switzerland, which is religious, but not really. Like people don't pay attention to that stuff. And I took, I realized I took a lot of things for granted, because things work in Switzerland, things work. And I'm learning a lot. It's a learning curve to be here. But yeah, well. And where did you, when and how or where did you lose your faith as it were? Well, it was such a slow process because I was never brought up into hardcore Catholicism. As you, or maybe as you will know, maybe, you know, that in Mexico we have this intertwined thing between Catholicism and Indigenous beliefs. Yeah. So things that for me are normal, you know, TV shows, music, everyday life. We never prayed before, before eating. That's not happening in my family, but my grandma was deeply religious. So it was only for her that sometimes we will go to church, but it wasn't part of my daily life. So taking that into account, it was just like, I was like a light Catholic, let's call it that way. Like I would like pray, but you know, maybe for my fans. But it wasn't, it wasn't an important part of my life at that point. Then when I moved to Switzerland, it happens so everything happens in such a way that I end up being in a Catholic, in a Catholic magazine, and I write for them. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, you mean working for them? Yeah, working for them. But not myself being in the church in Switzerland because in Switzerland you have to be registered. So whenever I had to do an interview or something or go to church for these people, like I had to wait outside because it's a huge deal. You know, like I didn't get into trouble with that because I didn't pay my 10% tax. So I didn't want to get into trouble because of that. Here's a 10% tax. What? It's a 10, right? Yes. And it's a federal tax. So you have to be, you have to be. When you move somewhere. You're going down to my places I want to live. A lot of people think like Switzerland. But it's voluntarily, right? I mean, you know. But I can tell you, for example, like, if, if you're there and if you're, if you're there and if you're, if you're married to a Catholic person, you're automatically Catholic, like me as a person from somewhere else, then it's a whole process to get out of there so you can have your money back or whatever. Like it's, it's really. So when I was there, I was married, and my ex-husband at the time he told me, my ex-husband told me, you know, maybe don't say that you're Catholic or anything or you come from a Catholic here because they're not going to charge me. And I have to, and I had to do, he had to go to a whole process. He, yeah, is, is voluntary in the sense of you have to, you have to register with. Yeah, but the part of, I don't know, in other religions, I can just tell you that in the Catholic part, like he was automatically Catholic because he was born into a Catholic family. He had to write a letter to the Vatican to get ex-communicated in order to get his, his out of money back. And just, and just not be taxed for it. Yeah, so that's, yeah, that's a huge. Yeah, we don't have that option here. Our face, but George W. Bush put a executive order in when he was in office that money from collected by taxes from the US citizens can be given directly to churches in the time of emergencies like hurricanes or quakes, that type of thing. But it just really opened the door. And now they're the Supreme Court and all this other saying that I have been main, especially that they can just take your tax money and give it to churches without your permission. So it's, it's going in that direction that that it's going to be bad in the future. It's dangerous. Yes. Just one quick point on life in, in different places with Catholicism, I am aware. So I've had some chances to go to different places too. I've been in Sweden for for a bit. And then I know Boudreaux, you've also had Catholic school upbringing. I think, and I think we have a pretty much international show here. Dreads from Canada, John Richards from UK. George Brown is also from Tennessee and Larry from Kentucky. But we're familiar with that Catholicism tends to change specifics of what's needed so that it can be more ingrained in the culture of the local area that it's trying to, you know, proselytize in. And so because of that, there's a Jamaican version of Catholicism. There's like a Korean version of Catholicism like I've ever walked into like I've walked into a Korean churches and saw like a Korean Jesus on a cross. And I was like, this is very bizarre. But I've seen black Jesus is on crosses to when I would have family from Nigeria. And I'm like, they are just shifting it and they're hoping that no one's talking to each other. And that's like, that is like the crux of the insidious nature of Catholicism is like it's not about the story because we can change the story, it's about normalizing it among groups. So we get that tax money baby, we get that 10%. There's a term in marketing for that. There's a term in marketing for that and it's called tropicalizing your product, which means that you take whatever you're selling and make it appealing to the people. The location is localizing. It's also it's also called exacting the symbols of the indigenous culture and making them conform to whatever religious thing you're trying to push. I'm going to throw one last thing. It's also why there's no. There's why it should be called why there's no spicy salsa in Tennessee grocery stores in California. There's like spicy salsa, you get like medium mild and then like spicy, but in Tennessee there's no spicy. There's no spicy. In Texas, they got him California, they got him to have to really drive far I have to drive out of my town just to get like one thing of spicy food. It's so crazy grocery stores all bland it's like no that's spicy enough. You know guys we were we should do a quick round table before we head to my topics that we really appreciate you on the show. What's been going on for you since well. It was on Friday, of course it was, you know, the past a very holy day. And of course that coincided with Canada day. Nice. I have. I have a float which was not ready for the occasion so I dressed up my, my Audi, which looks like a blueberry so I call it the SS blueberry and and drove it around with in the parade and just had that song parade. Oh yeah. Okay. And I just had on a loop. Always look on the bright side of life and so nice. I mean my cohort. We sang our lungs out to the song through the course of the parade was probably lasted a good half hour at least. So it was a lot of fun, spreading the good word. You're saying it's fun but I'm really disappointed that Canada day is not just called Canada day. Why not just make it one word, right? Make it one word. It's right there. It's one letter. It's one extra letter. That's it. Boudreau, good to see you. How you been my friend? I've been good. I've been good. Larry and I tried to do the show last week. It was just the two of us. We've been there. We've been Larry and I have been doing that for like a couple of years. Good conversation. Things are good. I had a wonderful trip to Greece and was able to do the show from there. Travel back. Yeah. Yeah. It was a little tough. 24 hours of being up but hey. 24 hours of being up. Wow. Okay. What's the first thing you did when you were back in and breathing the freedom of American air? Just slept. Hit the bed. My own bed. But yeah, so wonderful. Glad to be back. Glad you're back in one piece. John Richards, I know you always got something on your plate. How you been in the last two weeks? Well, the reason I couldn't take part last week is because the lady of our house is in hospital. She's, she's had a very dangerous condition, but fortunately, she's coming round. She's on the mend. Although it's going, it's going to take another two weeks of hospital and a further six weeks of recovery. So it was a serious condition. Anyway, I'm fine. And my channel has had a makeover by Swedish Steve who you all know guys. And he's, he's doing a wonderful job. It's magic to have a producer who's got all this software and can make everything look so up to date and professional. So take a look at global Atheist news, the revised global Atheist news and watch as, as the channel all becomes more updated than that. Wonderful. I'm always up to more faceless speaking of which John Richards you're looking younger today than I maybe it's just been a while but like you've got more of this dark hair situation going on. Like this like rosy tint to your face. I don't know what's going on, but yeah, yeah, yeah. There's more faceless than one. Let's see Larry Rhodes. Always good to see how you've been what what have you been killing virtually in the last couple of weeks. Oh, everything. No, I've been fighting World War two basically and it's called. Oh goodness. What's the name of it. I'm terrible with names. My part of my brain that has names in it is not functioning and has been for 20 years. But I with the quest to I've been playing a lot of virtual games and lately I've gotten into virtual chess and it's a lot better for me to see actually see a board in front of me with pieces that I can move around instead of two dimensional thing. So I spent a lot of time playing chess. So I do have a problem with this statement because it's a it's it's a $400 headset with electricity and the carbon footprint that comes associated with that. And you could buy a chessboard for like. Yeah, but I can't play me anywhere in the world. You have children you have. Well, she doesn't want to play very much. Okay, okay. I mean, I'm lucky to get a game of month out of her. Can you knock the board. If you get angry online, can you just. Nor do I want to. Okay, okay, okay. You have your own very own Ivanka. George Brown second and a half why I will take yourself off mute give us an update how you've been my friend. I'm okay. It's a little hard for me to get here on time on on Sunday mornings. You know, it's it's like, I'm wired to sleep in on Sunday mornings and we're doing this show an hour earlier than we used to and it can just be really hard for me to get up on time out of the bed. And so we are speaking about Supreme Court rulings but one ruling I am looking forward to among the weirdest situations is when they finally get rid of daylight savings time in America. I'm hoping we can at least get that this year we'll see but you know we're getting close to the end of the half hour at least like to introduce the topic john Richard's you're probably the best suited for this global atheist news review representative. Can you remind introducing the concept of what happened in the Supreme Court overseas across the lake and in the grand old USA. Yeah, well. Overseas is where you want me to speak about this. Yeah, because what happens in the US usually spreads, because the US is regarded particularly by itself. And unfortunately, other where the mighty go you know for the lesser will follow after. So we've got ripples, trans trans faring around the globe of the, the outrage that was committed by the so scooters last week. For example, in Italy. There's been a chorus of condemnation and alarm from the political left, because of course they didn't want row versus way to be done. But on the right in Italy, some have called it a great victory. And hope to express the hope that Italy and Europe would follow suit. Meanwhile, in Ireland, the island of Ireland. There has been a similarly swift and passionate response because it's only recently that Ireland itself decriminalized abortion. So that was in 2018. A lot of celebration at that time, but the wound is now being picked, of course. So they're at each other's throats again, and they've met in the story of one. So Vita Halla Panava, who died of sepsis in Ireland in 2012 because she was not allowed to termination. And they're warning that America be looking forward to a number of these similar events. I'm going to stop there while you do some reaction to that. And I can, I can come in again and tell you more about what's happened elsewhere around the world. Okay, what do you think when we do come back on the show what we will be talking about is row versus weight give a and it's overturning and give some thoughts on that, but not in the global atheist news version where it's just, here's bad news going on around the world. What do you think about that? What's your opinion? It's like, no, we're actually going to try to figure out some good things that we can pull. Because no hope is not lost. And it's good that there is outrage. That's a good thing. Outrage to bad news is a good thing. But we don't have time for this half. We'll come back to in the second half. And we got eight people on the show. So let's try to keep our responses short so we can go through everybody. But Larry, why you mind taking this out? And then we come back and we can take the rest of the show. That's a little early. It's only 20 minutes into the show. But I don't give us more time next for the next half. Stay tuned for the second half of the digital free thought radio hour at W ozio radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville, Tennessee. We'll be right back after this short break. Welcome back to the second half of the digital free thought radio hour. I'm doubt or five and this is the W ozio radio 103.9 LP FM here in Knoxville, Tennessee. That's the topic. Nice. We're talking about real versus Wade, the overturning and the outrage that's coming from it and and my opinion just as a quick point. The outrage is a good syndication that public opinions not on the side of this and it's while we could be controlled by the the opinions of nine people, right, or truly, you know, six people, which is a conversation in its own right. The fact that we are outraged by this is my indication that there is hope, hope for changing this hope for getting more rights for women hopes for you know, not. I feel like rights were murdered for women and and that is an indication that things were never balanced to begin with. And so if anything they should be considered a wake up call for why women who can vote in this country should why they need to be better represented, and that the status quo that we had before was not in their favor because it's the status quo that took away these rights in the first place. Let's use that as indication for when we should vote and we can talk more about when to vote towards the end of the show. I'm leaving the forties you have any thoughts on that recent overturning. Yes. More than thoughts and opinions, I think that is important to have facts. You know that I can, I can go through stories and all the stuff that I've been reading and they're heartbreaking. Just recently at 10 year old rape girl from Indiana that that that had to be sent elsewhere. Right, I mean, there's this is going to cost lives. That's how I see it. I see the worst part of this all is the the trigger, the trigger laws that were in place in states like Tennessee. That is no exceptions for this situation. I'm very, very angry. It, it stresses me out. It makes me feel like there is absolutely no help for women in this red states. Like you want to spin it off to a nicer part. I would say just there are several to make it shorter. There are several ways that one can help one of them is going online. And this, can I say, can I say the, the, the addresses, the internet addresses for her. Okay, for help. There is one that is made by a wonderful doctor. You can read it. You can search her on Instagram. Her name is Jennifer Lincoln, and the name of the site is three for freedom.com. It's a budget alliance which helps people with the of red states with the expenses to go to states that they can have an abortion. So that thing I want to, I want to end up in the positive note, which is that there's people doing stuff. We should people that that wants to help should help. And that's the way to do it. And, and as a quick heads up, when I say like, we're focusing on positive, I pull it from like experience of being a black person in this country. And like when we had news for Eric Gardner's killing on lawful kill lawful, but completely unjust killing, because we have a society that's not in favor of like all minority groups, or Javier Ambler, or, or George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, the list names go on. It's easy. It's so easy to give up in the face of like those sorts of injustices. It's so easy to give up, but you I have to think that there's giving up and letting go is in favor of these injustices continue. And the only way that I can pick myself up and continue to try to fight to get rid of these things is by not giving up is by seeing a hope is by coming up with a plan of action. And that's what I'm encouraging us to do. That's the positivity behind it. That's what I'm trying to go and do because we can sit here and argue. I agree. I think we all agree that this is a terrible thing. Let's try to encourage people to not be even more burdened by, you know, the, the justice that's happening and try to come up with a plan of action. John Richards. Well, this isn't really a positive thing, but it is an attempt to get the negative back to zero. And it's Amazon, Disney, JP Morgan matter. They've all agreed to allow their employees to charge their travel costs to abortion clinics out of the state from their health insurance policies. Yes, yes. That's good. But not good enough. Exactly. Good. Not good enough. I love it. You know, it's a specter of theocracy rate that this whole thing is about. And, you know, again, as I've, you know, stated on other shows and this show before too, is the numbers don't lie. Christianity is a minority now in the United States and really around the world. And so at the, at the expense of people of all other faiths, and those without a religious affiliation, these people are trying to push their own agenda. And I really feel it's more like the death rows or the death knell of Christianity is now they're, they're just kicking and screaming and throwing a tantrum to try and get everyone to do their thing and to believe in what they have to say and bend to their will. It's, I, and that's the positive thing I see is that it is the death knell that the death rows, the death rattle, as it were, of the Christian kingdoms. Larry, please. Oh, you're on mute my friend. 60% of us want abortion, the right to abortion to be illegal. There's a little room for middle ground here. I think that this decision will knock a lot of fence sitters off the fence and show the harm of complacency. I love it. I agree with dread that this is the last gas but tend to control the country through religion. And when it fails. I don't think there'll be another comeback. I think it'll be over. What I thought about it is the idea that Christianity does this or the specter of Christianity does this and explicitly support to two, but also tries to say at the same time but God loves everybody and God wants rights for everybody. It's like, you can't be on both sides of the gay parade my friend. You can't be holding. And then also holding up but God loves everyone in the middle of the parade. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, one of these guys is right and the ones on the edge who are damning assault are putting citations on their posters. So, but yeah, I do feel like we're out or Christianity is outpacing the support that it has, particularly with the new generation of children who are growing up with this outrage, who will suddenly see this is not the color or of a God that I feel like has any in my life. George, I believe I saw your hand up. What's up. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, you know, coming from a Jewish atheist background. I feel like I'm in bizarre world and just watching this, this, this theater play out. And it's, of course, it's frightening. And I think that dread pirate was right and Larry was right that that this is the death throws the, you know, the, the death rattle of something. I'm not quite sure what, but I do think that there's going to be a backlash against this backlash. I wish I wish I would be young enough to see it and I don't think I'm going to last that long, frankly. So I'm sad about that, you know, it's like, I've always wanted to see Donald Trump get a cream part right in the face. Hey, this is FCC. You know, and so I want to live long enough just so I can see that happen. And this is motivating to me. Good for you. Good for you. I think Fabby had her hand up there. Go for it. Go for it. Dread. And then yeah, I was just going to say, I did read to add another website, change.org. Check it out. There's some really good petitions going on there. There are over 500,000 names already. So that's pretty substantial. Also, I read of a response by a governor who is looking to expand the number of seats in the Supreme Court. You know, and I guess it's been a long time coming in some circles. So maybe there's maybe there's some hope that it'll be more representative of the nation as a whole, rather than, you know, just the Christians are the word of the Republicans, you know, foisting their own self interests into into the Supreme Court. You know, I do, I would like to hear from everybody else who hasn't had a chance to speak up. Did you have thoughts on this? Sure. I think the one point I haven't heard yet, and it might tie into what we'll talk about later is that all of this is happening. Young people are getting, you know, riled up and rightfully upset. Maybe it's going to encourage some more voting, you know, maybe it's going to encourage more. Young people that just generally speaking, I don't know, but unfortunately seems like young, young people just don't like to go and vote and MTV's not around anymore so we can't rock the vote so it just maybe that's a silver lining here that fence sitters will get out and vote. I started to worry that we had a during the kind of the Trump cloud, I felt like we got a lot of Republicans out voting that normally didn't because of the red hats but hopefully this will swing the pendulum swing anyway. You know, I've just gotten to the point where I can see a red hat out in public and not cringe or like have a visceral reaction of like, oh, it's like, oh, it's red hat but it's a golfing hat. It's like, oh, yeah, then my head. Buffalo George would love to get your opinion on this too. Well, I don't have a uterus so I don't have strong opinions. So I'm going to challenge that just real quick and and Fabby I think you might get this but like when I when we're going through black lives matter and we're still going through it even now today. One of the things I hated to hear was supportive white people who weren't willing to speak up, because they thought it wasn't their fight. The entire fight was please speak up because this narrative of black people saying that this is a problem is gone tired on the ears of white people who are a problem. And if they can hear it from other people, it would really help our voice. So like in the idea of I don't have a uterus so I'm not going to say anything I would really wish I really wish that would go away I really would wish that there was more of a unified sense of this is something whether I have a uterus or not like everybody. I didn't have a strong opinion that I want to project. I, of course, do have some opinions on it. And I worry about the impact on democracy and the fact that this is going to split the states from one another. And much more. I don't worry about. I think women are going to find ways of either using the pharmaceutical approach for states that have abortion rights to one thing settled but they'll get the help they need. And I don't know if I'm going to get some of those but Yeah, I really worry about what it's likely to do to our deteriorating derot democracy already or split. No, until the old until the old farts the old white farts die away and the young people young people's opinions start to prevail. What's going to happen in that interim. I think we've been chopping up a bit for a bit. Well, I don't have a uterus either but I came from one. Yeah. My daughters, my daughters have you dry, if that's the plural. Yes. I'm very much in favor of the owners of these things being able to control. Anyway, what's been noticeable to me over the last couple of weeks is the juxtaposition between what the scooters did last week in your neck of the woods, and what's happened, probably in your neck of the woods to but certainly here, massive support for gay pride assemblies, through London, Brighton, everywhere. Fantastic. It's a, you know, it's a, it's a stark contradiction between, you know, the extremes where you know the Christians don't like any of this stuff, but we've shown them. We've shown them with the gay pride support, how wrong they are. Good point. And finally, finally, I've got a wicked mind so I've got something even better for Donald Trump than George's cream pie. Here's what I want to do. I want to weaken every tear off strip of his toilet paper in the middle so that his finger goes through. Just sprinkle a little sawdust in the paper mill. Actually, that's a call to action my apologies, though, wouldn't that be a great idea. How about that. There we go. Bobby. Go for it. Yeah, coming back to your comment about the uterus and that whereas, yes, somebody is important to talk from experience. Yes. And it's also important to have the support of the men in our lives. It's important that also men raise their voices because there's, again, we have to go to the facts, what is going to happen if some. This thing is going to affect the poorest people, the minorities, black, brown, white people is not going to be affected right rich people is not going to be affected. It's going to put at risk several other people. It's important to also insist that this is not to protect life. It is a Trojan horse. I'm afraid also it's going to come with several other things, such as, for example, my birth control. Last month was a prize. Now it's another. It's no longer covered by my by what I was using. So now it's triple more expensive that I used to pay in Switzerland. So that's another thing. They're coming for that. Don't, don't be, don't be afraid they're not coming for that stuff. It is important to to for the men in our lives to speak up to vote to talk to the women in your to be a safe heaven for other women. It is important also to think about the economical approach in the common economical approach that we're going to have about this. This is going to get expensive. We don't, they talk about saving lives, but they don't talk about, let's expand Medicaid, let's have, let's have some sort of health care for these women, less support. Let's have legal support for these women that will be able to sue their fathers, the fathers for the for the child support. None of these is being talk. So then is when you know it's not about life. It's about control. And that's a problem for me. That's the big problem. It is important to vote, as you say, but it's also important to to have proactive approach to the situation. What can you do right now. Right. And I absolutely love it. So in the specifics that you provided, expanding Medicaid, expanding legal access for women. In my opinion, improving research acts costs money for men birth control, because right now there's only solutions for men, but we have the research that demonstrates that we know how to make like sperm tails like not be able to be as motile so And then you can take a thing that tastes like bubble gum and be basically what men don't want to fund that research. And it's like what are you doing what are you doing it's right there anyway. I, I, I greatly support that I also think that it's recognizable that we have a demographic that's ruling on women that are not impacted by any of their rulings whatsoever and that's always a dangerous situation because that's not representation that is basically just not representation, if anything, dread what do you think I think it might help to actually reframe the whole issue, because of course, to date it's been about, you know, the camps are pro choice, and pro life. And I think that that is not the proper way to frame this because really it should be framed as pro autonomy pro ideology, because that's really what it is. I love that. Boudreau. Yeah, I guess back to the idea of having a uterus or not to, you know, I think I have a daughter, of course, and George's granddaughter. So that's obviously where there's a lot of conversation with with my 14 year old on that but also have a son. Maybe in the spirit of our conversation here maybe the hope here is that younger younger generation of men are going to be better than than my generation a bunch of sleazeballs. And maybe they're going to be more responsible maybe they're going to, you know, bring change to kind of how things happen, you know, with young, young kids, maybe being more responsible, like you're saying maybe men are more involved in the and the birth control. So it's a little bit of hope I'm doubtful because I just I know. I know what men think of and you know, and teenagers so maybe maybe there's some hope there maybe maybe we're going to have a better generation of more responsible sperm owners. Well, maybe I can come in here because my 14 year old daughter is going to school next week to learn about how to put a condom on a dildo. They're teaching that. And it's moved on because back in my day when I was a teacher, we had to manage with bananas. And now I'm just really confused. I'm sorry. So I am coming from this from a bit of an asexual point of view but like I thought it was the guy who put the condom on. So as a girl. Okay, maybe we're getting too much into this. Alright, anyway, I did option. Okay, I'm just wondering I have weird thoughts. Anyway, women can't represent them can't represent or I feel like this is just another barrier for having women representation in political offices, when we have laws that denigrate them. In terms of their autonomy, compared to like what a man goes like a man is elected office he has laws that don't say hey, by the way you can't shake, you can't pat yourself on the back you can't shave your hair on on Wednesdays. Yet for women they come in with all this extra baggage. And I feel like these laws that we set in are also dog whistle obstacles that we put up for more women representation. And to make it more of a voice aside you look at Congress right now in America it's, it's a sausage party, like, I want to make a point clear that democracy in USA didn't start good. And, and then suddenly the ball to where it is now like it was the worst thing possible, and especially from my point of view as a black guy who was here like we weren't even three fifths of a person even back then we're just property, and either. And when they were, they had it, they, I mean, listen, it was not a fun time for anybody. So in the grand trajectory of where we're going. It has gone up but I feel like it was a painful process and we're still going to have those pains. And I think it's a good thing that we have them, because it's an indication that it's a fuel for change. Right. Because if this happened and everyone was copacetic about it we went to work the next day. That's the danger. That's the problem that's when it becomes commonplace that we accepted black women always have it bad. Listen, in my, I hate writing this because it's terrible but like Indians aren't even here anymore Native Americans aren't even here anymore in fact that we still come Indians that's terrible, but the next bracket on that list is a black woman. And so, if you, if we're talking about things that you can give, you know, give appreciation for how hard it is with all the stereotypes that we put on all the legal justification the biases that we put on them, the biological needs the medical support that they require, and then imagine that life, even without black skin as a woman in America is not good, you need and we need to do what we can to support that. And then Fabby, and then George, what's up, as you say like black women had it bad, and they still have it right now. And also to, I don't know, I hope that this opens the door for politicians and people are more action towards that they bring women into the into the equation. Well, I know, I know the ones that right now they are very loud. The Republicans are very loud Marjorie and Lauren, and all of them, they're very, very loud and with points that they are absolutely insane, but they're just under a classic or test, for example, a little bit Hillary. So, I don't hold that against you, because we had Ben Carson as the only black guy that replicant talking about I'm like that's not a black guy that's just sleepy. They pulled out of a hospital. That is just like oh my goodness. It's like if you don't support the representative needs of that group, you're not a representation of that group, you're just the totem that's being used as a prop by the group that's further causing injustice against that but yeah, I'm sorry for interrupting that. No, it's okay. I was just thinking like, it's also, it's also sad that we have to come back to those to those they were talking about oh we have to make like an underground railroad for abortions. No, we cannot accept this we cannot accept this because it's not only we're right now making a, we're only putting a light shedding a light into the sexual part of the situation like oh you don't want you don't want kids just don't have sex. It's not about that. It's also about their women they're married. People with uteruses they're married and it happens that it's a rape or they have an ectopic pregnancy, all of that has consequences legal consequences to for the hospitals where it happens, especially if it's in a red state. So we're not taking account that the cost, the health care cost is going to be humongous of these situations. So I'm just like it's not only the part of the recreational sex is also other things. I agree. George Brown second and a half I hope you remember you got your hand raised up and it's been at least a minute. You know, I, this is the, the wedge issue that's fronting an entire movement, where, from my vantage point what I see the religious right. And it's not all Christians believe me. They are afraid that their way of life is threatened. And they're resisting like hell. Right. They're fighting back with everything they've got. And the everything they've got is taking that different forms and there's cruelty to it. We will stop you if you try to oppose us. And we're going to show you so in my state Tennessee, for instance, recently, it was a law was passed that is a felony now to sleep on public property. Think about that. So they're going to spend taxpayer money locking up people because they slept overnight in the park. And they had no other choice. Yes. You have a very, that's the cruelty. Jesus is love and we're going to kick in the butt. And you bring up a really sincere point because of all the things good as could have ruled on, you know, in terms of like decriminalizing homelessness in America, like we spend $70 million per state, just kicking homeless people from one state to the next state, or from out of parks and stuff like that per state. That money could have gone to like housing, better, you know, detoxing centers, access to hotlines or staffing places that can do emergency help for people who need to get to the streets and find a place over their heads, hotel fairs, etc. We don't spend it on that instead, we spent all this time and energy on overturning rights that we gave to women already. It's like a generation ago. It's like why waste time. Now all of our focus is in taking off of the things that we could have used to make this country better, and focusing on repairing and fixing things that you purposely deliberately broke. It's called distraction. It's called this track. Yeah, because they're, they're meanwhile they're hiding the nuclear weapons inside the, the shark tanks with the lasers on their head. I'm like, what are you guys trying to distract us from that? What's up. Let's not forget also that they're criminalizing the situation is not only for beating abortion, they're criminalizing the doctors, the suppliers. And the patients. What is the end game with this tying up this with what is happening in Tennessee, because I'm also in Tennessee with the, with homelessness, they are trying to the base of the, of the voters, smaller, smaller, smaller, until it's just white men that can vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is, what's next, taking away the women's right to vote to. Yeah. And a felony, when you commit a felony, you're not able to vote. Right. Well, that's all gerrymandering and it's happening in the, in the Supreme Court right now they're discussing it. I was going to mention to that that senator I mentioned also wants to get rid of the filibuster. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I want to remember what our calls to action are so I'm going to do a quick summary and then round table. And then we can leave to the end of the show. But if you are a man, whether or if you, or if you're a man with the uterus or without ears, let me just tell you it's important to know the topics that are important that to to the decision that happened to an America, or to America today. Don't just say hey I support women's rights. Think about what that means think about what that logistically would require you to do right and, and my opinion it's speaking up, but also understanding where the issues are expanding Medicaid expanding rights and access women to legal rights. And access women to legal support. In my opinion, if you're in the scientific sector force or support birth control options for men, if they're doing it in public schools support that if they're putting condoms on on dildos. I guess would be alternative be guys know how to put sponges in, in, I don't understand I'm not the best person on that but like, we just had pride month understand those terms mean like, there are people out there who aren't the same like in the US and you need to know the topics you also need to know the political things but also know that if you are in the US we have early voting in two weeks. And instead of waiting for a gerrymandered division that you're in there and interested in to only get one voting booth for a number of populace to stand in line for hours and then hope with the hopes that you don't get full representation. Vote now or in two weeks, and then make your voices know you please do not sit on the fence please do not wait for the status quo to fix itself. It's up to you to do that it's your responsibility to know these things it's up to you to think hard, because thinking is giving up thinking easy is letting the, the, the loud minority or the death rows of the specter of Christianity to win and we will not give it that ground. So go out and make a difference. It's called the tyranny, the tyranny of the minority right the tyranny of the minority. I love it. You got thoughts before we head up and anything you. Yeah, again, I, I'm just, you know, everyone I talked to I tried to reframe the issue like I said, from pro life and pro choice to pro autonomy and pro ideology and just trying to reframe the whole matter. So that people can kind of have a, you know, see it in a new light I guess. Yes, yeah, if anything I'm anti. I'm anti racism, I'm not just, well I guess yeah or anti ideologies in some ways to I don't know. Think about some more. Inequality. Inequality. Ooh, anti inequality I love it. I love that. What do you think. I guess it's kind of interesting to think about this issue to the lens of free will be an illusion to you know when you think about. Don't start on free will. We do not have time for this food row. Come on. It helps it helps me like think about, you know how we need access to abortions for all kinds of reasons things can happen. And, and especially when you when you take away the the piece that makes them someone doing it doing something wrong so I don't know if it's a it's a nice way to frame it for me. I really like cutting slits into seatbelts and being like well I don't like car crashes so we should not have seatbelts it's like, dude when you need a seatbelt needs to work. That's why abortions need to exist because when they need to be done they need to be done safely. That's why these need to be funded, like don't think it don't kind of ties it with car crashes. It's what you do to help yourself from not causing more damage when you're in a car crash. Anyway, sorry for that rant. Yeah, sure. Well, I'm hoping the good side of this, if there is one is that, hopefully, more women will be mobilized to vote in the right direction. Yes. And I guarantee you if we had a more representative women's sect in our government we wouldn't even be discussing. Oh my gosh. How many people are joined in the show. Guys. Yeah, at the end of the show. Yeah, Fabi any thoughts and we can leave it because we're we're getting toward the end of the show I'd love to spend the time with you. Any final thoughts on today's show. Just to support support the local abortion funds. And I will repeat again the the addresses, which is the previous alliance. Just search that on Instagram and the doctor Jennifer Lincoln and her site which is three for freedom.com. That's it. That is very, very important for access for everyone. All things fail. Think, don't think easily. Think hard about everything, particularly about this, because when you don't. It's when the bad guys when we're not going to let that happen. We're going to think critically we're going to think hard about everything. Larry, would you mind getting ready to take us out and then we can do after show roundup. I'm ready. No, I'd just like to say that if you don't want an abortion, don't have one if you don't think your family should have an abortion because of your religion. Don't have one. You don't get the right to make the decision for the rest of the country. It's just it's that simple. The content personally can be found at digital free thought.com. Be sure to click on the blog button on our for our radio show archives, atheist songs and articles on the subject of atheism. My YouTube channel can be found by searching for doubt or five or digital free thought radio. You can find my book, atheism what's it all about on Amazon. Thank you for joining us on the digital free thought radio hour. 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