 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa next conversation this morning is going to the of course a Reconciliation between that Tiku a bubaka and yes on weekend one of the stories that we shared in the news this morning is on the punch It says a Tiku Mitz weekend says a Nigerians waiting for the PDP in 2023 I'm gonna start with that And see how that that goes a good morning to our guests We have her first of all. Oh, sir and nanny who's joining us. Good morning. Thanks for joining us Great to have you we also have a risk management expert mr. Ibrahim or she know Thanks for joining us. Good morning All right, so let's start with the story in the punches morning the wait was reported it says a Tiku Mitz weekend says nine Nigerians waiting for the PDP in 2023 Have you both speak on that? I will start with mr. Sheena or quickly respond to that story Let's know what your thoughts are Good morning viewers and good morning friends and There's nothing really special about the headline Is Vice-president is excellent see a Tiku a bubaka visiting Govno wiki is no news He knows them the capacity of wiki when it comes to you know holding their practice Structure when it comes to funding when it comes to south south region and you know He's also working towards, you know nominating wiki possibly as his vice-president He knows that in coming back to Cliffs to tickets will be hard without wiki so wiki It's one of the strongest pillar of PDP. So It's not news at all. It's not a special about their, you know back to reconciliation, but what I'm against is Former vice-president saying is coming to take over from a PC. I think that's a daylight dreaming You know, so it's not a special about what they are doing. So wish them all the best and You are waiting for their candidates. Why do you just why do you describe it as a? Daylights dream like you've mentioned So many factors Yes, when the vice-president of this country, and he hasn't given so much opportunity to turn around things While he was there he refused to do that It's a Adam around the poverty level in that state is mongously huge Economist at that time when he was there, he didn't do much apart from privatization of few communication companies and of course It was actually championed by Former president So he didn't do much while he was a vice-president Rather he engaged in fighting his boss to stoop also. We are not expecting much from him, you know He's kidding. He's a delight economist now with a Ep of Formal of no big but of course we are sure that Even his relationship with the affair claiming that he's going to do Disopposedly, what is it called? Devolution of power. I'm very pretty sure that people Will not do that. Don't forget that it's member of a PC before is it found possibly found a member of a PC So we know what you can do. You have tested both side and we know him on both side as well So there's nothing special. It's just claiming of course Don't forget. I'm why is also dead a young man lawyer a former subgroups member a former speaker of Fira I probably don't know and the girl not a young man So and don't forget also. I'm trying to recall you which I'm sure you know as a as one of the sounding press Journalist I know you know that there is a huge relationship between wiki and Tamboa so Yeah, he's best shot in 2019. So I would like him to go on a retirement and See how this country I can support Episodes in terms of policy and of course if there are really a way he wants to resist point you can do that That's a lot. Okay, so let's uh, let's now move to us and Get your thoughts on this There of course has been have been postulations here and there with regards 2023 I hope that we'll have time to also, you know, bring in the possibility of These two persons that we've mentioned now instead supporting a younger more progressive candidate But let's start with your thoughts on their reconciliation first and also Statements with regards Nigerians eager to see the PDP back in power in 2023 Yeah Thank you. I thought we're coming on the political show. I didn't know it was a comedy show We're coming on just you know jumping off the back of the previous speaker's statements In 2019 articles called 11 million odd books. I don't see how any serious risk analyst I think introduced him as would dismiss the ambition of such a person Article was yes. He was vice president and yes He did need the private privateization exercise, which arguably was the most successful exercise that the passenger-led administration conducted between 1999 and 2003 So again, I don't see how you say he did nothing But then you actually point the only thing that arguably will be success the success story of that administration you remember the liberalization of telecom sector the correlation of the national industry including night help So it's really really curious when you speak about article and then you talk about the current state of Damawa for instance it I mean coming on here and talking about how it is you have failed and instead of blaming Buhari I start blaming Freddie by present the same banjo Article is a political force whether he's with the PDP or the APC Let's admit that just like we case a political force as well And it's instructive that I think we saw if it's to start his reconciliation tour with a visit to Port Harcourt and we case residents recall in the 2018 PDP primary there was a very public falling out when article one the primaries that was held that were held in Reversed this week at the time was also very public support in Tambua and I took a one that primary is in we case back You know, so it's it's good news I think for the party in particular that we are seeing this reconciliation and You know projecting forward to 2023 where President Buhari will not be on the ballot If you see these two political job in us coming together to push for people policies And to kick the PDC out of power. I don't think can you see what political analysts with dismisses That's why I started like by saying that, you know, I thought we're coming here to the Scott politics not To your to your actual question you asked about what this means for the PDP. I think And it's really unfortunate just giving the six years that the APC has been in power I I think the report card is out on them already You know, we're seeing record levels of unemployment record levels of inflation record levels of insecurity I think I saw a budget analysis come out that for every night one naira that Nigeria generates About 97 cobalt goes to service debt. We're even still boring more debt We just thought if you send news where the US are blocked and the sale of arms to Nigeria And you know, you just sort of like see a perfect storm Coming together against the APC and what about ten disease and be sure they may have Editing into 2023 and the PDP really doesn't have to do anything the APC seems to be on the course of inclusion you saw Kayamu the other time yesterday or a couple of days ago Writing that the APC primary slated for tomorrow shouldn't hold because of the Supreme Court judgment in the one door case You are seeing tensions and friction between the tinnable tendency and the Buhari tendency in the APC I'm worried, you know, because I think for democracy you need to have to buy brands Political parties sort of like butting heads against each other and I'm worried that an implosion of the APC might affect Nigeria's and democratic Journey, I believe the people will win, but I would like to see, you know a more coherent Political party or more coherent need actually from the party in power Okay, so let's move over from the PDP now and speak a little bit about the APC I would like to also speak about their similarities because there's a lot of people who are also saying they don't even want either of both parties in 2023 Miss Alshinol, let's get you to respond with regards to Implosion like Osean Nenny has just mentioned in the APC There seems to be some levels of crisis here and there with the newspapers this morning carry all of them are speaking about Boonee and the crisis with regards, you know his position in the APC Would you agree that the APC is imploding and you know, it's the internal crisis may, you know, be its biggest problem 2023 You know, I Would not want to join issue with you know Subsection of the media who believes that What the PDP agents, you know the cyber agents are doing all those people that is speaking for Maybe one or two presidential can be they trying to scuffle up what knows? Let me use this common word that common word, what knows into the affairs of the APC If you try to look at the Supreme Court the leading judgment of the Supreme Court He never that judgment never at any points against the leadership of his excellency Govnamin Malabuni as the leader of the party and I'm wondering where of course First of all, he had the right you know to submit his own legal opinion and we look at what the legal rights of the party Chivniya Ketola SCN He has made his own presentations and also scrutiny of the government, you know the government also does not Describe or ascribe certain positions on the leadership of the party So the legal we have of course the party has set up their legal team Now we look into the judgment and how the Congress will hold and I can I'm happy to tell you that the Congress will hold But PDP don't mind all these, you know, you know, noisemakers on the on the new challenge, you know given, you know What's my friend didn't we see Bole Kaja legal advice on the internet the party will go on The party's Congress what Congress will go on a schedule tomorrow, and I can assure you that there's no legal because anyway So we are going on with the party Congress and simultaneously we're gonna go on with the world's role and the state and Finally the convention. So our advice Those who are submitting the opinions on the internet on the TV to keep that to themselves Particularly I will advise PDP to focus more on the party. They are losing in terms They are losing national assembly members. They are losing governors into our party. So I wonder this what's my friend Anna is saying About APC maybe he's not living in this country. Maybe doesn't know when article is the member of APC Maybe doesn't know when article is running up and down to come to a piece living one party to another Understand, so I I don't think it's living in this country Then if it does they should try and go back and do his research very well, okay You know I think I would like to touch on that people because he made some a fashion You're gonna allow me to make those point that APC The PDP does not need to do anything. Of course, you are not doing anything in most of the states You are you are not doing anything. That's what those close notes are leaving. San Fray left member in left The gentleman what was his name also left the other go down also about three governors left national assembly member Is a stronger the PDP Delta state left to APC so what I wonder what is talking about so I will advise that We should be serious. He said he doesn't know what why a risk manager should show a risk Of course Yeah, I'm letting you speak I'm just saying I want you to you know quickly say this the the reason the PDP governors are moving to the APC is it because the PDP is not currently seen as a strong enough party or the APC is doing exceptionally well and Everybody wants to be associated with it One let me tell you I am a Democrats If you look if you go through my profile, I'm a Democrat. I expect a very very bad position, you know Which is a condos leadership is in question One of the party member in a those that are sticking the leadership of issues a condos to cut We can have wishes a condos. They are knowing what a allegation of corruption on on the end of BLC led by Secondos So APC at this point in time This is a party that invested so much in human capacity development in terms of of course Let's minus the COVID era that took almost a year of this administration In terms of infrastructure in terms of what you know, the Greatest catastrophe that this country must have with it where we must have witness if the federal government did not manage the COVID issue very well and Everybody in this country including the foreign missions and all that and the West acknowledge the effort of President Monodewari by handling the COVID issue In this country US for that matter Almost almost 600,000 of their citizens lost their life to COVID. They started all the all they have at their disposal So I want that when somebody, you know You know, you know, you know, we need to be serious in this country Some people just come up online or on TV and say things without even Godfrey mind mine. What can you say? Nation that has so far the COVID look at India in this country this government this present episode of me Manage this despite all the shortfall in all capacity and revenue Manage the COVID issue All right They will see the effort of the federal government. They will see what the party is doing. That's why we are attracted to so many Nigerians That's why they want to All right, thank you Also, nanny quickly your response to that The the strength of the PDP as it stands currently the defections of its governance to the APC and You know, do you do you see the PDP currently as a stronger position party? as You know, so, you know, like I said, it seems I'm on a comedy show What's the the clearest measure of investment in human capital capital development? It's your education budget year on year from double gd is almost 20% Budgeting that the PDP was doing in 2014 and education were down to about 6% So how anybody we sit here and tell me that when you're investing 6% in your educational sector, you are investing in human capital It's it's it's frankly ridiculous, you know And at the point when we say what Democrats led the series So I'm a PDP member and it was this type of hubris that cost the APC in River states where they didn't have any candidates this same hubris It was what cost APC in Zamfara where they didn't have any candidates this same hubris It was the same hubris that cost them in Biosa an election that they won freely and fairly But this same hubris let them to lose it And if you are a Democrat you will say that every election should be a reflection of the will of the people But when you have political actors putting personal ambitions over their own laid-down principles and guidelines You have this type of chaos that APC is is is is projecting So, you know, you you say for instance that it is PDP actors who are talking about the understate judgement What APC is doing is not my business It is first of all a single advocate of Nigeria and the minister of state of APC That is warning the APC It is the specialist senior special advisor and political affairs to the president Ojutu senator Ojutu that is one of the APC. It is senator Ita Iyam that is one of the APC So how anybody will sit here and dismiss these these warnings as the postulation of social media Erads, I think he called it. It's frankly befodling and It confuses me and my con and my worry honestly my worry is that If it happens and APC holds the Congress, it's in all likelihood that we will challenge it And you might have a situation where you don't have APC candidates on the ballot and no Democrat wants that Whether the APC wins or the PDP wins. No Democrat wants to see a single state single party state and that's the direction the hubris of the APC pushing this country into You know, so I want you to also when you talk about the the Chances of the AP of the PDP in 2023. Yeah, I'm talking mostly about the defections now and and you know the strength of the PDP as an opposition party You know, he's pointed out three governors who have defected, you know, and some National Assembly members You know, what's your response to that, you know, and does it In Zamfara state for instance where Matawaji The governor who won that election and saying it's on television the governor who won the APC governor Who won scored about 500,000 votes Matawaji scored a hundred thousand votes Zamfara is an APC state so any politician who has is looking at his future and wants to to Continue succeeding or winning in the states. He had he literally had no choice He was not elected by the people. So we all knew in the AP in the PDP that he would defect The point is take off now who lefts made it made it was very clear that he was looking for space or Articulation of his presidential ambitions. That's why he left. It was for nothing else. It was literally for nothing else And I had a you know, you know, we always forget that the Nigerian political states are democracy. This democracy is barely 16 years 16 or the 22 years old And so you see people moving from space to space and it's funny He didn't mention the adult state governor who was an APC governor who left and came to the PDP and won an election And I'm not going to talk about that because in in in as as our politics evolves You will see people trying to find expression in spaces that they are comfortable in and now the adult state governor is Berserk is comfortable in the APC. We saw in 2018 Five PDP governors and 49 set legislators left the PDP to the APC. They have all come back Articul was one of them. Saraki was one of them. Shea Husani was one of them So when anybody comes here and says oh hang on people have defected so therefore that means it doesn't it betrays I think a lack of understanding of the nature of evolving And young democracies democracies like the PDP is I expect for instance that Leading into 2023 you will see a lot more defections from the PDP to the APC and from the APC to the PDP When their political ambitions are denied when we hold our primaries, it's inevitable And I and I and I think it's responsible to put it out there that that's the nature of our politics today When we have concrete ideologies, maybe in 50 years time when you know that if you are in the APC, you are a socialist And if you are in the PDP you are a republican or Conservative Democrat, then you see people start aggregating along those lines. But right now they are People used to express their political ambitions. All right quickly. Um, you know, and this is going to be to both Of you, um, I'll start with mr You know, I I want to, you know, talk about, you know, candidates for 2023. It might be too early There's still a lot of time, you know to make these decisions to hold congresses and to Possilitarian there But would you, you know, be feeling that it's necessary that we start to look for a young and progressive Minded candidate for the next elections. I'll start with the APC and of course You can also speak with regards to PDP Atiku Abu Bakar, you know, there's two rumors that he might want to run again Would you advise that he maybe should instead push a younger, you know, a more progressive minded candidate? Mr. Sashino, well, let's start with you with that Well, thank you. Um, we are of course the party has commenced the process of selecting our candidates And what I can assure you is that we're going to bring out the best of all Um, in terms of shown vibrance and, you know, and people's candidates that will satisfy Um, the need of Nigeria and so the process has commenced. Of course, we're starting our congress tomorrow That we'll be able to determine that in future. I can't actually say, you know, who and who is going to be the candidate of the party But of course those factors just mentioned Um, we'll be highly considered in terms of, you know Selecting our candidates Um, also, I would advise, uh, or say my dear friends to, um, use this opportunity of, you know, uh, revalidation We can still give him some time to join our party, you know I can see him as my friend who is also a young man who can actually contribute to our party You know, you can join. I'm giving you an invitation I can send you a link or ask one or two Registration of public from your state to give you the opportunity a waiver for that matter Of course, because don't forget I think we're still coming back to a pc So I can tell you that for free. So you ask my friend and I can I'm inviting you I'm using this medium To invite you to join the mpc. So I don't want them to leave you All by yourself at the end of the day. So I can assure you my dear friend that our party, um Who will bring out the best candidates that will, you know, that will suit the nicks of nigerians and don't forget What you mentioned about kiyamu kiyamu is the lawyer. I have known kiyamu in the last 25 years I know him too well, especially his opinion does not mean he's right My friend also continued to mention names and names and names But you forget to mention names for people Who have who are alleging? your Your party about embezzlement of funds Most of your governors are hungry with the leadership of the party. I can tell you I said something earlier about For my president article article is someone someone I respect so much You don't see I send power a lot of people But I can tell you this time around if they like they should take the part They should take the the the convention's weakest back at it can never Let it share all the dollar In the interest of time I can tell you the dollar will know what this time around All right, in the interest of time in the interest of time, let's bring in osan any to quickly also speak on that So, osan, please, you can join our party. I'm extending my invitation to you. Please my dear brother Would you um, you know look, you know that the pdp instead puts forward a younger more progressive minded candidate for 2023 Um, I want to thank my brother for the invitation to join the apc Um and now to urge all Nigerians, uh, you know get involved in politics whether it's with the apc or with the pdp But get involved in politics. It matters. Um moving ahead to potential candidates in the pdp and apc and I think we have a few shining stars for instance If was a simban job by president simban joe was on the apc ticket in 2023 I would be solely tempted to join if you see and support its candidates. Thank you so much. Don't worry I would I would monitor your money. I would monitor your membership number. Don't worry On the pdp on the pdp side, uh, we have People like bokola saraki His young his vibrant he has shown capacity as a governor and as a senate president We have peter b who was exceptional as an umbrella state governor We have people that share mark in the who who who is the young first time governor But who is sort of like raising the bar on what governor should be like? Um, and if you're looking at independent candidates, you know the star It's the standard performer would obviously be This gentleman professor kings the morgue allu. So we don't we don't lack for People across the political spectrum who can lead Nigeria and can govern Who are young who are progressive minded? And but I think the problem is and this is speaking to as a pdp member and also to the apc We have institutional structures and gatekeepers who sort of filter out these candidates So i'm hoping that you know, we we we see a more equitable representation of of Capacity and ability in our primaries in the apc primaries and in the pdp primaries Looking forward to it. And of course, we'll be here to have these conversations when these things play out Thank you very much to ibrahim Oshinawa for joining us and for sharing your thoughts with us this friday morning and to us and then he also I really appreciate you both. Thanks for joining us It was a pleasure Thank you. Thank you so much. All right on sports and the nigeria's Interest and performance at the olympics blessing or category, of course, I'll quickly share that with you qualified yesterday after heat She finished in 11.04 11.05 seconds. I remember But she has of course qualified But of course that will come up in sports this morning And of course the 10 athletes that have been, you know, sent back from the toky olympics As a result of a failure to do proper Testing This is where we wrap up this morning. Thank you for joining us. If you missed out on any of these conversations Remember catch us on social media. It is simply at plus tv africa on facebook and instagram Or subscribe to our youtube channel at plus tv africa and plus tv africa lifestyle. I am osao. Yeah, oh Thank you very much for watching