 The presidential candidate of the all-progressive Congress APC, Ashwa Jubola Agma Tunubu, has announced former Borough News State Governor, Senator Kashima Shatimar, as his running mate for the 2023 general elections. He made his known in an interactive session with reporters when he said he paid a salah homage to the president, Mohammad Buhari, in Daurakasinna State. Alaji Kabiru Ibrahim Masari, whose name had earlier been submitted as a running mate, tendered his resignation in a letter to the party on Sunday. And Bola Tunubu was accompanied to Daurak by Katsina State Governor, Amino Masari shortly after his aircraft landed the Umar, Musa Yarodwa Airport in Katsina State. He briefed reporters about the choice after he closed a closed-door meeting that lasted about an hour with the president. We have joined in us this morning to make sense of all of this and understand what's happening with the APC. Dr. Katch Onunuju, a political analyst. Dr. Katch Onunuju, thank you so much for being part of the breakfast and being with us this morning. We appreciate you. Thank you very much for having me. Well, what do you really make of the candidacy, I mean the choice of the all-progressive Congress, picking, you know, the former governor of Borno State? And a lot of persons are saying that it's highly insensitive, especially when you look at the fact that it's a Muslim-Muslim ticket that we're going after. Yes, first I will tell you that what we have is a case of incestivity. Earlier I did not believe there was a scheme to Islamize Nigeria, but now I'm beginning to believe that is so. Nigeria presently is a Christian majority country. It's also a heterogeneously diverse society. For any, can any ticket to think that in a Christian majority society that you could bring a Muslim-Muslim ticket and not just anybody on the ticket. You're bringing Kashim Iman, who is known, I repeat, who is known to be the mastermind of Chibok girl's kidnapping. It's either is a strategy to pay him for his work that helped the Buhari administration to get elected in 2015, or I will say that Abola Tinibu and those around him do not understand what's currently going on on the Nigerian streets. I do not know the mindset that drives his touch, but I can state that categorically that something is very, very wrong with the associations that Abola Tinibu Muslim is in that seems to decide and help him come up with his decisions. How can you, of all the Nigerians we have, be now willing to take the very man whom the office of the NSA and the office of the Minister of Education told not to go on with the examination in that school. He did go on, and on the time when he went on, the child of the head was not in the school. Not only that, the head teacher was also not in the school. The children were not taken away in a way that told you there was a premeditated strategy to actually take these children, and that became the reasons for the bring back the girls down phase, which cast as passions on President Gullah Jonathan. At the end of the day, this same man went on to reward the principal who connived in that kidnap by appointing Gullah Jonathan. We sincerely apologize for all of the break in transmission. We still have Dr. Katch on Nuno Ju, a political analyst and what understanding the candidacy, you know, vice presidential candidacy for the All Progressive Congress has been picked, a former governor of Borno State. And the fact that with all of this, one would expect that any presidential candidate, anyone that aspires to become a governor of any state or, you know, aspires to get through an elective office, should understand the times that we are in. A very sensitive period, a period where it's like we're about to break off or break out and should consider anything that would bring us together. That's the focus. We do have our guests joining us, trying to make sense of all of this Muslim-Muslim ticket. That's what it means for the All Progressive Congress ahead of the 2023 presidential elections. They're very big on the fact that, you know, the spirit of 1993 would be right upon them, but are we in the same time? Dr. Katch, do we still have you on the phone? Yes, you have me of course. Can you hear me? All right then. So, but let's continue with the, yes, we can hear you loud and clear now. Okay, I can hear you very well myself. So, let's continue in the light of this conversation. I mean, you have raised valid points in all of this. You have talked about that we leave in a time where it's very sensitive and we have never been divided as we are right now and at the time. And the expectation should be that everyone who vies for a political office or a position should consider the current situation that we're faced with. But one of the excuse or reason for picking the former governor of Borno State is that if you look at, I mean, in a statement that's been accredit, that's been attributed to the former governor of Borno State has mentioned that we need to understand the challenge that is upon us as a nation. And we need to, it's important that we look, you know, beyond all of the religious sentiment and we choose competence. So, does this mean that we don't have competent people in other parts of the region? I mean, Christians who are competent, that's what it is. Does it mean that? No, no, no, that's not it. I think the choosing of Shetima was probably based on Shetima's appealing to the conscience of President Buhari to pay him back and show loyalty to the deal they have in Shetima helping to organize the kidnapping of the Chiba girls. Shetima believed the role he played in that kidnapping helped to make President Buhari president. So, it is in a bid to pay back that Buhari was impressed upon to make that happen. But the dangerous part of it is this is also being pushed by Islamists. If I ever never believed that there was an intention to spawn Nigeria from how it is right now a Christian majority country based on the Gregorian calendar into an Islamic country, this is the reason. In a country where today you have more Christian governors, more Christians than Muslim are now doing a Muslim Muslim ticket. This is totally unashpendable. I can tell you the reasons for this is very simple. When the kidnapped happened, it was because President Goodluck and his Education Ministry and the NSA wrote to Mr. Shetima, don't go on with the examination. Shetima did. At the time when the examination went on there was no single security in the school. The child of the head teacher who is the principal of the school suddenly was missing from the school. The principal was also missing from the school and after the kidnapped Shetima now rewarded the principal by appointing her as Education Ministry for Education. Later on that very action was now used as a campaign of bring back our girls. The bring back our girls campaign gave the world a very different impression about what really happened when Harry got elected so that he owed Shetima some kind of IOU for his role in that Kibbuk kidnapping. For Shetima mastermind, this Kibbuk kidnapping. Shetima went on to reward the principal of their school for her role in the kidnap by appointing her as Commissioner for Education. That silenced her, that kept her away from prying eyes. As I'm talking to you right now, there are more ITPs in Shetima's Bronu state than in any other state in Nigeria. Remember that his words, he is also a known Boko Haram sympathizer. He interviewed some time ago giving the world reasons why he have been fending for the families of Boko Haram fighters. When he asked in an interview, why do you provide Sukho and financial aids to families of Boko Haram fighters, he said it is as a strategy to break the bond. But it's not true, it is not a strategy to break the bonds between the fighters and their families. Dr. Katch. He simply told me that the Boko Haram is simply a foot arm used by politicians to score. We have now a full understanding of that. In the ABC government's coaching form with President Buhari, you saw how they started taking in the Boko Haram fighters, reforming them, giving them employment before they will give graduates from Nigerian universities employment. Dr. Katchan, are you saying that all of this, are these things that you have mentioned, they are very serious points that you have raised right here. In all of this description, it suits one who is actually in support of terrorist and activities of terrorism. That's what your description suits of Shatima. And if that's anything to go by, how come he's not been arrested? And how come, if he has done all of these things that you have mentioned, the Nigerian government has not arrested him, has not been prosecuted, has not been behind bars? I mean, I'm looking for the adjectives and words to qualify all of this. How come he's on the list for, you know, the AESPC? I mean, he's been conceded that a candidate, what you have been picked for the vice presidential position ahead of the elections 2023. I'm saying that if all these things is anything to go by, I mean, this is really true and then why are we here? It's in the public space. These are things that he said with his own mouth and he was recorded in the interviews. These things are known to Nigerians across the country asking why is it not being punished for these known facts? You will also, I will ask you why are the Boko Haram people, not trains, who shoot down the Afghans in Kadruna? Who sees Nigerians and even the ones who break into Kujeprize? Why are they not turned? Those terrorists who also attacked the Nigerian defense academy? Why are they not touched? Why is there a standing order given to the, not to lay hands on them? Do you think that the army is the thing that the Boko Haram people? Dr. Kachinuju, we apologize for being unable to have this conversation. We will hope that we have this conversation some of the time. Dr. Kach is unfortunate that the network has not been very friendly this morning. But some of the points that you have raised very sensitive. It constantly just shows it's a pointer to the fact that those who constantly have said that the Nigerian government is an accomplice to what's going on in Nigeria. It's just evident. If you have a man who has stated all of this and these things have been put out there, one would expect that there should be some form of investigation. Let's even assume that the government has said this is an allegation and if one has been accused, let's put it at the position of the fact that he's been accused and he's been accused of sponsoring a baiting, conniving and supporting terror and the act of terrorism, then he should have been on the, you know, some level of investigation. But it doesn't really, really look like that's what's going on with the government. It feels like the government has not been, you know, opened that particular path to say we're investigating him. And it's quite unfortunate that in all of the candidates that would have been picked, I'm more looking at, you know, the elections now, that, you know, the APC would consider picking one who has been described. It's as good as saying he's a terrorist with all of the description and all of the things that's been said. It's as good as saying that to become a vice presidential candidate for a ruling party. And what that also means is that you're going to be having a Muslim, Muslim ticket at a time where you have a lot of religious concerns and sentiment that's been put out. But that's it. Thank you so much, Dr. Kach. That's it. We definitely, can you hear us, Dr. Kach? Yes, I can hear you. Okay. So I was about to, you know, call it a wrap right here, unfortunately. But let's just have you continue with your thoughts as we progress. You can see where our country is right now. We are at a crossroads. There is a struggle between the Islamic fundamentalists, funded and supported by Buhari, and those who intend to make the Nigerian experiment successful. The appointment of Mr. Shetima is purely a paper for his work in kidnapping the Chibok girls. He has, this is also the same way that he rewarded the school principal who cooperated with him in the kidnap by appointing a commission of education. So federally, the Buhari administration is now also appointing him as vice presidential candidate in a way to show appreciation for his role in staging that kidnapping. Now, you can also tell yourself he's not the only one doing this thing. From the kidnap in Chibok to the kidnap in Kankara, to the substitute kidnap case across the North, to the prison break that flooded our bushes with cannibals and those who agree to commit violent actions against Nigerians in a way we've never seen before. Said for instance in eastern Nigeria, there have been no cases of cannibalism in over 200 years, and yet, as Buhari became president, and there was no single report of prison breaks in 16 years of the PDP rules, Buhari became president, and we had had up to eight prison breaks which now provided the government with a load of brothels of workers who started cannibalizing Nigeria, killing Nigeria, because the government promised the British government that they would manufacture evidence to validate their assertion that there was a case of terrorism in eastern Nigeria. After one year of that action, the British government were not convinced. Despite having the greatest protocols for gathering intelligence in Nigeria, and that was why you saw the Home Office report that said that the Easterners were not involved in terrorism. The people involved in terrorism, in shooting down the outfields, in kidnapping soldiers at the NDA, in blowing up trains from Kaduna to Abuja, Raylang, in killing people, nobody had shot them. Yet, where they pay from the bushes, or bringing worry to the bushes of Kagaara, from the bushes of Biwa, to the bushes of Pandagani, to the porches of Dogongona, at the back of Alawa, at the back of Pandagani, at the back of bringing worry from where they come to see citizens traveling along the Kaduna-Abuja road, nobody had touched them. Even the tellings that were put in Kuja prisons, none of them were ever taken to a court of law. They have just been given back in a bid between the government and the government's terrorists as a strategy to relieve the people abducted from the train. You notice, after the government removed soldiers that were guarding the Kuja prison, for 24 hours, the terrorists stopped Kuja prison, and they removed their own terrorists who were instilled, who had been instilled. None of them had been brought before a court of law. If this government protects terrorists, then go after people who never see the rap, and tell the world that they should be given time for manufacture evidence. The reason why you have seen no more terrorism and actions of violence in eastern Nigeria is because the British Home Office document came out to say that they did not find the easterners involved in terrorism. That was why the government has stopped its post-land actions in the east. That is why you see the second of terrorism actions in eastern Nigeria has stopped, because the government has found out that the world is not buying their story. When you call a minor terrorist where he has not killed a foe, the audience becomes on you to go and manufacture evidence, to substantiate and validate your assertion. That was what the government did. I was known, I was in the know. That was why I traveled to the east, and I stayed at Rochby Hotel. I saw what happened at the police headquarters for two hours. The operation went on. There was no reaction from the army, no reaction from the police, no reaction from the guests. This tells you how very bad this government is. Today we have soldiers being kidnapped and killed, and the government doesn't do anything. We have the train being blown up on Kaduna Abuja routes. The government doesn't do anything. We have alfagets being shot down in Kampara. The government doesn't do anything. And yet these terrorists are not staying in bushes. All you have to do is put on drones, a drone upstairs, or two drones in the air, will simply tell you where the people are. So every five seconds we know where they are. We're looking for their phone calls. They want me to beg that the government should do something. The soldiers are supposed to stay here because of the way the government acts to protect the terrorists. So all you have to understand is that the terrorists are being used as a reservoir. The same people who are protected in our war. We are speaking about that. That was why the governor of all the states said that these people were from Mali. They were from Mali. That's why you see these high-end cities are not Nigerians. They came over from Mali due to the fight between the Dogon and the Polanyi in Central Mali. Dr. Taji Nuju, let's quickly, as we begin to coast this conversation down now, I mean, let's look at his capacity as a person to perform a function in that capacity of becoming the vice president of a country, understanding the functions of a vice president in Nigeria. Do you think that he has what he takes? Some people have pointed to the fact that at the time as a governor of the state, you could see that there was significant improvement, especially in the educational sector as a governor, where he works. So do you think that, you know, capacity-wise, he has what he takes to become a vice president of a country? And that's why he's been picked. If you listen to the published conversation between the same man and Idukula Mosul, you will understand that man doesn't have the capacity to act as president of Nigeria. Whoever is taking a vice president should also be good for president. The mindset as explained in that recorded conversation does not defeat that of the president, chief for the office of vice president or president of Nigeria. I am talking about the recorded telephone conversation by this same senator that you now call a vice-president candidate. All this tells you that the AT&T administration does not mean well for the Nigerian administration, for the Nigerian experiment, for the Nigerian project, for the Nigerian nation, for our quest towards nationhood. We will never get there if we take people like this. This thing that didn't make up, I am referring to the recorded telephone conversation between this particular man, Shekima and Governor Idukula Mosul. This is what we are talking about. This record is available in the public domain, yet the AT&T is behaving as if they will simply read and the citizens will not keep quiet. It was okay for Nigeria to keep quiet before, but I know that will not happen again. We are not determined to take back our country, to give chance to the Nigerian experiment and not to allow the Zabik fundamentalist to appropriate our country. Mr. Shekima is not fit to be trusted with a national assignment in a diversified and heterogeneous Nigeria, so I say. Well, Dr. Kach, thank you so much. We appreciate all of the points and insights that you have raised this morning on the show, and we say thank you. Thank you for having me. All right, thank you. We've been speaking with Dr. Kach Anu Nuju, who is a political analyst, and we have been looking at the candidacy of, you know, the vice presidential candidate of the All Progressive Congress has been picked by the former governor of Lagos State and the flag bearer of the All Progressive Congress, Bola Tunibu, and all of the consents around it. This morning on the breakfast, we'll definitely come back tomorrow with more interesting conversations raising issues that would interest you right here. We'll take a break. Whenever we return out of nine o'clock, we'll be time for the news. Please stay with us. And if you missed out on any part of the conversation, we'll be all right to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, subscribe to our YouTube channel at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. My name is Messi Boko. 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