 We got so many so we have so much to do. I'm I'm all the Twitter. I'm trembling you are a Twitter I am I'm a I'm a Twitter a lord man. You need to sort that out. I would want to be a Twitter. Would you I'm an X Oh, I'm axe you evolved Or devolved. I've evolved. I've devolved. All right. Absolutely devolved. Why don't we start with saying welcome to eFat episode 270 welcome returning guest patrician TV. How do you do? Oh? I'm good. Thank you and welcome brand new guest cretosis Hello, sir. Hello. I uh, what are you? Is he a bird is that a bird it look it's kind of like like a cobalt or uh A gremlin creature or it's a big gremlin ish. Yeah, it's uh a goat It's a goat. That's a goat. That's a goat. All right noted. All right. Okay, and patrician You're some kind of live crafting monster that's made it into our dimension vaguely, right? Yes, uh, I'm I'm an actual NPC that has invaded your world. Oh, oh my goodness. You'll fit right in that used to be a scary thing to say Yeah, so we've brought you lads on today Because you've kind of been lying to the entire internet. It's about time. We we understand how We need a justice to answer for your crimes in the court of eFap. I need a bag of gavel. I need a gavel Pretend I have one. I need a sound effect for ringing Fringy normally has it. But he's usually the guy brings the gavel um We so star fields a video game There's there's people involved with creating it you guys made you little little videos lying to the whole world And someone's called you out for it And I was made aware of such things because we had recently spoken to you and I was like, oh my god We've we've had we've had a monster on the on the podcast wouldn't be the first time Um, so, you know, we just we have to put things in order to get rid of such things And so we thought we'd bring you on and publicly execute you if that's cool Oh fair enough. Mm-hmm And uh, what better way to do it than to watch the video and uh, see is what watch you get destroyed Basically, but I thought first of all we we'd hand it off to um Well, either of you to give any kind of preamble context that you might want to give even even going back as far as What even starfield is You know, it's really completely up to you What even starfield is Just we just call this stream that what even starfield is That implies expectations Hey Starfield was the hit uh 2023 xbox game of the year by Bethesda Yes, all the sony ponies, sir Or beef asses they get called by these kids They're saying that spider-man too should have been the xbox game of the year But I don't know about that dude the spider-man fans have turned on that game like the The discussion's been fascinating over time. They've given up on it now They've gone from saying it was like the greatest thing ever to like You know It came out but What what i'll say about starfield is that um, it is our little world that we've been splashing about in Myself probably about five years now. I'm not sure how long cretosis has been uh playing in this ballpark, but Are you really access because starfield was a new game our Our discourse was introduced to a broader broader population and Some people were rather surprised uh before my starfield video There was an error of people not being at all interested in the developers that were responsible for What many would agree is a downwards trajectory for their games, but um After my video there seems to be a lot more interest in the people who make these games That would be to say that starfield seems to be sort of opening a lot of eyes as games like um Not that fallout four had a great reception on its launch But especially since we are what 12 years now 12 essential years after skyrim is out and Some you know people looking back on that You know that the discourse having evolved over time and that's what I want to emphasize is that uh, We're coming from the Bethesda community and these are things that we've been talking about for a long time Uh, never knows best has Covered Bethesda games before but I wouldn't necessarily say that he's a part of our community or a part of this discourse Well, I mean games of this scale You know a lot of people are just going to be talking about them Bethesda does have their own They're their big chunk of the gaming space Their games do sell a lot. It's kind of like it's kind of like call of duty or things of that nature where they don't They're too big to sort of have their own Communities so to speak it's a bit broad. I mean obviously there's their communities, but not in a I guess not in an intimate and I guess uh Small scale sense like you would get from Like you could say yeah, like deep rock galactic has a you know, maybe a community or or factorio has a Community, but it's just too broad for that. I think Don't you worry about that just end up That's right. There he is the villain I do I do love that he starts he starts with the man himself. Um, he's looking good though. What's on it? He is looking good. What's that on his wrist? He uh, has a few tattoos He's a Oh, oh Yeah, he's got he's got he's got bangles on a watch What a scorpion is he's he's copying Todd style because Todd also does does the uh bracelets on the right arm Watch on the left arm approach. It just seems to be right. What is the I don't know if it's I don't know if it's a dc thing or what but I wonder what the scorpion maybe maybe it's referenced to how his games are cancer It looks like scorpion you can see a line through it So it's probably the uh constellation constellation like starfield the faction in starfield Oh god, and I mean wow dang in the watches or a reference to On how the times he got away with it. I guess Yeah Well, the funny thing about the funny thing about em all and I want to say this early on is that I don't dislike the guy Um, it's hard to I actually yeah, no, he's he's kind of him and Todd They're both lovable but for different reasons Todd is like the super charismatic has an answer for everything kind of guy Emel is a more kind of just goofy you listen to him talk. He's got all these anecdotes He trips over his own words. I can see why people You know are sympathetic towards the guy don't necessarily like the games that either of them make but um emel has been like a perpetual font of hilarity when it comes to the streams I do and the videos I make just because He's just kind of a wacky guy Well, all right, then Why don't you just to catch people up to speed who don't know Who is this man on the screen? This is emel peggly rulo. He is the uh lead designer at Bethesda, Maryland They are the main branch of Bethesda that has made the elder scrolls and fallout games and he has held a senior title for Since fallout three So quite a while uh that he's been making the big decisions and uh He's probably had a hand in making one of your favorite games although to clarify He was not in charge of making skyrim. He was just a senior designer still important. Uh still Uh an influential figure on that project but not necessarily in charge And I think that's why skyrim fared better than the fallout games and starfield all right His his his relevance is that I talk about him in my starfield video basically Which that's nothing new. I've talked about him in my skyrim video. I've talked about him in my oblivion video Like I said, he gets around in the Bethesda discourse these days well I'm personally invested in all of this because I got gaming wars between analyzing games is downright nostalgic for me That's almost where I got my first set of videos that people cared about Was the uh the big old fight I had with h bomb a guy about the doxels too And everyone calls each other liars deceivers Manipulators you take things out of context and you know what's funny as well as back when I made those I was like Man, it would suck if I only picked like particular parts and then they did the thing of you took me out of context I was like, I'll just respond to the entire thing which uh You know, some people don't recommend But hey, you know, you you guys chose to make response videos to this this video in question Those are linked in the description for anybody who is interested Uh, there'll be more specific and I guess addressing With a fine tooth point of of exactly well, actually my video was designed just to respond to the most serious and unironic parts of this video spoilers for later Um, I decided to leave a lot of the response to this stream actually Well, well, this is the place to do it because we'll be here all day and well, that's that's the thing is I didn't want to spend, you know, eight weeks crafting up this huge point-by-point response and uh part of that was um a theory I have about this video, but I still think it's too early to uh Well, all right. Where's that hook? Uh, is there anything else you guys would like mention before we start this up? Um, why doesn't cretosis introduce his uh his show in relation with em all? All right show, um We don't really talk about him on the streams. I do but uh I did find out about the um the speech he did at the danish convention or not convention games conference, whatever um, and When I was doing my follow-up for analysis, I felt like it was Very revealing as to why everything was the way it was uh It's kind of like seeing a car crash and you realize oh the wheels fell off. It's like okay that explains it You get a lot about games and like a lot of the exploit we get this with movies when we look at Director and writer interviews. I mean with games. It's the same way when you get people Talking about the process and the ideas and things it really sheds a lot of light on why things are the way that they are well, something I like about doing it on this platform is that you guys are more film people and Film people have a bit more of a mature conversation when it comes to talking about I know it's funny, but yeah when you compare it when you compare it to the gaming discourse I mean I can't tell you the number of Bethesda videos. I've seen that just Blanket blame Todd Howard, you know, they'll use his face and what have you they don't go they don't scratch the surface any deeper Gaming discourse is still very Very much focused on just Studio naming and studio shaming like there's still people who believe that a fall at new vegas 2 would be good because Now microsoft don't subsidian Despite the fact that most of the pivotal people that would be necessary to make a fall at new vegas 2 good Are no longer with the company. I mean that's why there's a lot of companies I don't even dice arcane all that stuff If you're not familiar with the greatest highlights of what we've covered because I totally understand what you're saying but sometimes I just wonder is like the We have the exact same problems if not worse We've come across people who literally say in relation to like criticism What if you pretend the thing is what you like and then maybe you'll enjoy it And that's not That sounds like that doesn't it But it yeah, it sounds bad faith to uh to lie about my opinion just for the sake of enjoying something that you enjoy Well smoke is he wants you to lie to yourself about what you're seeing You know, you just don't hear that from many people But hey, it's not it's not even the Like the the that's the tip of the iceberg for the kind of quotes we've come across Well, I'm kind of attitudes we've come across because it's interesting you said like are they all bottle it down to like one person or one studio We perpetually have covered so many people who try to point out what is wrong with the mcu or star wars And they'll always come up with like crazy conspiracy theories about like Specific reasons for why it may be falling above and none of them ever really want to settle on Oh, it's like written like shit Um, which could be like a fundamental argument, but uh, there's like this thing in the Film assay community that you want to try and present a point within 10 to 20 minutes That's inspired and that no one's come up with before That's one of the things that yeah film film video essays are a plague upon youtube Yes, uh, which I've said before but that's kind of the origin of efap was the uh, I I I fucking like I lost my mind watching video essays because I thought it was so crap from a lot of like the best quote-unquote ones Um and gaming was no exception as well But you know tv shows films etc That was quite spicy back in when I was making the ds2 videos I remember I had like a selection of youtube was on screen that many people loved and I was just like they're all shit damn it They were actually listen to their words That was the same thing with my skyrim stream series. I criticized quite a few people that people like and uh The interesting pathology behind it was that They were always down to do the criticism thing until it came that until their favorite youtuber came up in the discourse And uh, just the other day I described that stream series as kind of a filter process because the people that are in our community that are cool Came out of that becoming friends with us. Um indigo gaming private sessions screetosis All these creators that did You know good to decent Skyrim videos but got criticized and took it on the nose as a pair as opposed to a few individuals who have held grudges ever since That's the same things happen. I was about to say it's so weird hearing that from you because yeah If we've uh, almost every time a critter reaches out to us after we've covered them it it ends up going completely fine and well Uh, maybe one or two times not but yeah, yeah the the aspect because it's funny about your gaming We've uh, we've had him on a bunch of times. We've uh, yeah See him in your I'd like to say we have a he's a he's a good guy. I've been on his show before Um, fully recommend he takes things in stride I like to think we've fostered a wonderful little network filled with all kinds of people from all kinds of places Because really we just like having a chat figuring things out, but uh, absolutely You know, well, that's that's the sad part of this is you can't have discourse if you don't try to contact the other side I don't even Well, I guess yeah, like the way you talk about like the nature of um how to do this in the most ethical way possible Uh critique or I would say just more so. Um, this is fine that you don't contact people and all that I don't contact people before I cover them on streams or when I used to do that Um, it's just more so like trying to do some bridge building after the fact sure um I think a lot of people as well Unfortunately on the internet assume hostility hardcore because a lot of the internet Is just fucking hostile if you're outside of your own relative bubbles um Little people just want blood. Yeah, and I wasn't always understandable. I wasn't always the nicest person. I certainly understand Having a bit of resentment towards me, but You know I wasn't nice to end ago and we certainly have patched things up and come to an understanding of what the problems with his video were um He called me after the stream and wanted to sit down and figure out what exactly had gone wrong Um, there was a technical error he had in his video that he wanted to address So just to generally stand up guy. Yeah, that's cool. Um, and the reverse is there as the reverse have happened to you Have you ever been harshly criticized and ended up being friends with someone for it? um Not that I recall there's not a lot of people that have taken swings at me Um, I think people find my video topics a bit um daunting to try to respond to or not necessarily important to respond to um I mean, I've got the same people see it as I do it on purpose as a shield They're like he makes his videos so long so that no one would respond to them I was like no is the idea of just going through a long video and picking out a few things specifically Yeah, about it's unheard of to people apparently well and and it's funny because j did a video on half of my black panther Video, right? I think it was half and slaughtered me, but then we chatted and had a bit of fun time and You know, it would be nicer if the world worked that way But you don't always get what you want. Am I right guys? Oh, you you actually that's funny that you mentioned that I thought of one um Cretosis's co-hosts called me out once upon a time for some takes I had in my start uh In my discord server on elden ring and uh, that turned into like my Psyop video and We didn't we did that didn't really turn into a positive relationship, but we don't hate each other We don't hate each other. I mean I worked out just fine. Yeah Also, hi fringy. Hi fringy. Hi welcome to every frame a pause We talk about it. So you don't have to I hit off instead of snows I saw no I saw a meme that was like the greatest gamble any human can ever commit is turning their alarm off and just resting their eyes for a little bit It is a bit of a gamble it is but nine times out of ten it works But this time I think my I think my brain had like crossed wires. I'm like, I don't need to get up. It's monday I think something happened And then I was just like wait, hold on. Why wait a minute brain Yes, sorry, but uh, okay, so uh, what did I well? We've just done all of the preamble for this video Pretty much. Okay. So now you're gonna have to use context clues. You have to be like To catch you up to catch you up starfield bad. Hmm. Oh, well, I already knew that That's what this whole stream is about Well, I mean like I said, uh, unless there's anything else we can get started on the vid If you guys are interested in doing so Yes, uh, I will bring up my theory when he brings up his uh, thesis statement Which should be in about two minutes. Yes, we may jump to clips from other videos here and there possibly There's at least one that I want to do that you're aware of but uh, if there is anything else you guys just let us know Because um, this is a wacky video wacky wacky video on time. It's not gonna say there's a bad video. Okay Geez, no, no, are you gonna speed it up? No He is a rather slow speaker I don't think we ever speed up. We've only ever sped up tonal. That was it. That was usually for you Let's see how long you last down. We have slowed down before No, wait. Yeah, we haven't speed up anybody. We've only ever slowed down, right? I cannot think of a single time that we've sped up somebody Slowed old him. No chat. This is not prerecorded Or is it? That's right. We are this is all live. Hello chat member 117 They know where they are. Anyway, I want to hit play now if that's okay Go for it. Okay. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. You're about a man accused of crimes he did not commit And what the consequences I gotta stop already Wait, wait, wait, wait crimes. He did not commit. Can we play the clip? This is a video about a man accused of crimes he did not commit See, I think any reasonable person would be like this is a meme, right? International espionage He was never accused of a crime, but I suppose this could just be hyperbole He was accused of a design decision That's not a crime and it could be stylistic in certain things But I explained in my video why that stylistic decision would be a bad idea given their The size of their organization and just how necessary it is for communication. I'll tell you for free. Okay First impressions out have been like, yeah, he's obviously joking But I have to see in that clip from your thing that we will show in the stream at some point I'm inclined to believe this is 110 percent serious He's a I didn't make it this far in my first viewing before I decided that this was a shitpost What three seconds? And what the consequences of those accusations can be Hey, as this video about starfield But starfield, um, so this is a this is a complicated part of the discourse because Diversing this discussion from starfield and fallout 4 is a mistake because We're talking about the design decisions that inform those games And so the games are a piece of the evidence for Why this guy is on trial as he would say Okay, it's like talking about a director and saying that their movies are not relevant Yeah talking about ryan johnson and not mentioning the last jedi Or everything he's ever fucking made because they're all atrocious except brick. That's the only one I haven't seen yet That's what you need to bear in mind chat is that he doesn't want us to talk about starfield because if we did His argument would be completely over because starfield is a fucking mess Yeah, like crimes. What what crimes, you know, like this is the guy who like Wrote starfield and like oh But okay, let's see good faith. Good faith. Let's let's Give him a chance to argue why Everyone's innocent until proven guilty of their crimes Does play a role and starfield does matter to many people Now I think that everyone should be able to express whatever opinion they have about a game. Oh, thank you I'm glad he said that because I like him. I was for a second there. I was like hang on a minute He better not one of them opinion police A lot of uh, a lot of Bethesda fans would not extend that courtesy So I do thank you. You're welcome to share your opinion if you agree with me Oh The negative It got worse over time. Yeah, it has got it has gotten worse I figure I figure it's probably the the hype ward off My personal theory is that um people are leaving negative reviews because they are responding to negative reviews And so they want to be in on that action. They want to see the response they get Hmm Okay, because I mean I would agree. It's not a fucking, you know, a three out of 10 30 on steam It should not be that low, but um, I do think that Well, some of it too is just a percentage that are positive the reviews that are positive. Yeah better or worse than lord of ring golem Better absolutely. I mean it's a functional video game lord of ring golem has brought me in great joy Yeah, that is true more at an efap than watching you and as In metal play that video game My my face hurt Well, that's that isn't that the dichotomy lord of ring golem is a fun game to watch people play starfield is a very boring game To watch people play. There's a documented trend of Bethesda channels Just having their views drop off because of starfield coverage Damn Fun people a little fun comment on fun game to watch people review Right Potentially, I sure don't like these guys. There were a lot of bad ones I guess I uh depends on the reviewer. Hmm. That's just youtube on me It depends on if they got an early copy Oh, yeah, they don't want to That was actually a part of the bread they're buttered on It was actually a part of my video that I cut out for being too complicated to edit would have caused me too much trouble So it's funny that I'm in trouble for this and not for some of the things I would have said Interesting who holding and expressing different opinions is a good thing In fact, I would like to believe that in many ways my entire channel champions this idea And so if we hang on he's got a video called doxels is underrated Yeah, he does how is doxels underrated doxels is not underrated. That's like saying ocarina of time is underrated. Yeah One of the quintessential like best games of all time in the view of most people Yeah, doxels is on this list that kind of gets into I can't speak to that video in particular, but there's a certain air of Saying things that aren't necessarily true. He doesn't necessarily believe to make a point Oh, like the video itself might be that he says it is overrated, but the tiles contextualized in such a way that you're like, oh Well, I remember one of his elden ring criticisms was that there were guides about the game made Well, like that was one of his criticisms of the game What's all the game's fault? Game didn't do nothing Literally every single game that's made Maybe he's gonna be can maybe as long as he's consistent with that. We're not getting like Territory always we're gonna be like, oh, but that might have been a joke though. Like we're not we're not there, right? That's always the mark of a good youtuber is not being able to tell which of their statements are jokes and which are earnest Hey, that actually describes me. I told quite frequently nobody understands my deadpan expression You don't have an expression I I don't know if this is a case like that or not either because I've seen some people defending a Certain claim about patrician About a certain line he used in his video um essentially Outlaw spoil it never said something And people have defended it as both a joke and not a joke So, you know, that's always well that's the complicated thing is if you don't If you don't operate on the level and just Like remove all of this disingenuous stuff from from it We have to take it in good faith that you're telling the truth that you're not joking all the time or that you're not being hyperbolic Yeah, we don't want to live in everything a sarcasm or Ironic hell world where everything has to be second-guest and no discourse can take place and no one's earnest The truth is implied Good lord, what a deep cut Remind me of such pain Which to be fair you were referencing joseph had said earlier as like a positive. Do you what's your take on him as a media critic? um I would certainly say that he's a he's an inspiration of mine I would say that even in the parts that I would disagree with joseph anderson at least he says something that Can be disagreed with compared to a lot of youtubers that say nothing I mean him saying that summer isn't a horror game. That was uh, that was pretty wild Well, at least you can dig into that and disagree with it. That's a nice thing to say That's true, but it is it is it is an incredibly absurd Yeah, I I don't have strong feelings on it. I like his Bethesda coverage He was uh, one of the formative channels I would say that inspired me but there were many channels that have inspired me I'm not just a joseph anderson clone I mean, I didn't think about joseph anderson when I was seeing your stuff, uh And to be fair I've said before I don't think like joseph anderson's useless or anything It's just that I have very personal reasons to dislike him Because what he did to someone or rather because I have a very personal bias But uh, you know, I've I've still recommended videos from him in the past because I do think that he's My first subject in the years implied video. That was one of your favorites. Fucking hell I think he doesn't take risks as well I think he lashes out whenever he's he hates me. He hates me almost as much as just right hates me That is unfortunate. That is one of those bridges. I think I would like to see built one day Oh, the only way that would ever happen is if someone Who's friends with his friends with me? That's the only way that would work is uh The fact is it would be the chillest conversation ever And the you know, it's it's it's kind of ironic as well because we're talking about We were talking about this broadly and then we talked about it with this like video and the behind all of it is a desire I assume from everyone here to not only have Sort of chill bridges to discuss but to also get down to the bottom of it to figure out what the fuck's going on With everything that we're talking about right like all of it usually is that like How good is soma? How good is ds2? How good is starfield? And why is starfield the way it is? That's like the underpinning of every single one of these crazy things that ends up happening All of it usually get me why is starfield the way it is exactly Why is it like this? Why are you the way that you are? Well, and I've got no I've got no qualms about being wrong just the other day I was had a former Bethesda dev reach out to me and give some context of things. I've said in the past like um He gave some additional context to the claim that uh, there was only one dungeon designer on oblivion It turns out that was actually true The reason it's complicated is that the later dungeon designers joined late into the project and the Guy that had made everything up to that point basically quit um So I I'm certainly willing to be wrong about that and if there was an avenue that I could publish Things that I've been wrong about over the years. I would certainly take it Wow Let's start here because you're pretty fucking wrong about this video game from one. Yeah, absolutely I am here to flagellate myself about uh lying about this, uh, Emil Pagliarulo champions this idea And so if you hate starfield, I think that's okay And if you want to express your hatred of starfield online I also think that's okay Whatever my residents never My my resident never knows best expert has contacted me and told me that the Dark Souls title is in fact ironic Ah, there you go. Okay Which fun fact my resident expert will actually be featured in this video Resident if you have experts for all of the the youtuber I actually do He's on us. There's there's uh, there's individuals expert There's yeah, there's individuals on my server that uh, are fans of hating certain individuals and know everything about them So I can just ask them. You're gonna eat that once Uh, I have more fans than haters Uh for you guys you have anyone saying like They have they have bad experiences Thank you Thank you never knows best for allowing us to have opinions. I will say I'm trying to be nice But I hate intros like this to videos and drive me nuts It's not necessary to say it's not necessary to say because who is who is the the contrary person that's going around saying I don't think anybody else should have opinions, but well We'll make you want to make that video Yeah, it's the work of both worlds because on the one hand. Yeah, obviously, but on the other hand Yeah, come on though. There are some opinions that you probably think are really stupid That shouldn't be like out there. So, you know Usually why do you need to make this intro? Let's make the video where you say at the beginning If you have any opinion that deviates from mine in any way shape or form you are not fucking welcome here And if I hear I mean earth Oh Just I I feel like everyone will be more entertained by that because this shit is just like who I don't even know that I buy this yet The fact that you're signaling it so much inclines me to believe that you might actually be a little bit less Tolerant to uh to these kinds of opinions. Yeah, it's it's definitely people when you say stuff like that Yeah, like can we just get started like yes people have opinions and they should be entitled to them Yeah, like sure obviously It's yeah, it's the preemptive like the first thing I do in combat is raise my shield regardless of context Where you're trying to get that safety Uh that that safety phrase in to be like now now guys guys just so you know It's okay to have opinions because we've seen this all over the place We've seen this many many times from all kinds of different videos of all different sorts Like it's uh like like it's a criticism shield. I'm not saying you can't have opinions In fact, I think you should be allowed to have opinions. Oh, wow It's like uh, it's adjacent to the ultimate shield, which is remember. This is just my opinion Yeah, yeah I already knew that it was your opinion. It's you're saying it. So yes We god, this is going back to like tfa part one now It's just like it's not you saying at the beginning of a bunch of retarded things that it's just your opinion Doesn't make them not retarded or not criticisable Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, it's almost like baked into it Is the notion that people shouldn't be allowed to really disagree with your opinions that nobody should ever be particularly upset with an opinion You express which is absurd Pretty much. It's not it's not a real shield. Um As opposed to what I guess you would actually be trying to invoke which is like I felt happy watching this movie Which is something that you can't you can't like take that Which is true. You can't take away like how somebody felt about something at the time Like whatever their subjective experience with something is we can try again It always gets brought up before arguments that are falsifiable Uh erased Well, maybe in this case let him say a whole bunch of stuff Oh, we're gonna let him cook. He's gonna he's gonna slow cook today. We're gonna put it right through And if you are disappointed in starfield, Bethesda or any other part of the gaming industry Then I think that's okay as well. Thank you. You're normal. Oh, I can even be disappointed in the industry I could be disappointed in you since 2024 But there are things which are not okay No matter what your opinion of a game might be And it's those things that I want to focus on See, I would say this is this is very serious as an opening. I think it feels very Like we're not having fun today. We're doing something that needs to be addressed Sit down class is not like my normal content. I will not be criticizing a game But I oh, it's rather unfortunate that he has the dislike out on because uh, this video did not land well Well, so far, it's great criticism. Yeah, he told us that we can have opinions that people don't Usually talk about that maybe should Finally, this is not a video that I wanted to make No, he said the thing Oh, he did. Oh my god. He said the meme thing. Thank you for your sacrifice Oh Only he had uh, if only he had dejectedly sat down came from off screen and sat down in front of his camera And then side. No side. I said this to franey last time we brought this up the size too far gone They don't even do that anymore I think the dog you're still the dog is still in and the set up the camera and coming on screen thing Everyone still does that. Oh, I wonder if you'd have a better shot if you had another animal Like if you had I don't know a goat or something like you sat down with your goat and I'm like, uh You're my sport animal, buddy. Come on. Let's get through this Now you see like the smiling friends vision where it's just like mr. Froggy has his like komodo dragon I Dragon is a very appropriate pet for uh, mr. Frog. Yeah, it's just like eating a shit and he's just like Because he's trying to do his apology I wasn't aware that this was a a part of your bingo card Uh, we we completely flew past that statement when we watched what did when uh, Privacy tonight did our initial screening. How can you watch so much youtube and not be aware of I didn't want to make this video That's like the well, no, I'm aware of that. I kind of just filters out, you know, like if you If you work at a grocery store, you filter out the pop music. Yeah Because it's so calorie efficient. You don't even yeah, you don't even think about it And then you do it in a noise here. Well, we wanted to get to the thesis statement Of course, I just it's just uh Right from the youtube playbook. I would have thought people wouldn't include this in videos anymore because it's such a mean but There you go certified classes. See we didn't know about it. So But it is a video that needed to be made Oh, sorry. Are these opinions that aren't that shouldn't be allowed? Uh, well, they're not listen. They're not opinions. They're calls to actions unless you do, you know Internet row starfield directors arrogance So I wanted to draw attention to this earlier he every element he puts on screen He has he uses a drop shadow. He doesn't outline things. He uses a drop shadow I like shadows if they're like shadow shadows and they're a little bit blurred Around the edges and it's just to make sure just just to you know distinguish them from the image behind But I don't like the I don't like sharp drop shadows Um, I just prefer outlines if you're trying if you're trying to draw a visual distinction to an element You should outline the entire thing. I prefer outlines over sharp drop shadows So, uh, yeah, so to go back to kind of Fringy's first thing you said I I I'm just I'm thinking of myself like should Is this is this too mean and it's like, I don't know. I feel like this is something we should tolerate, right? Even from people saying that they think that the so this guy is the what rock I don't quest designer for starfield, right? Or okay Yeah, I mean, it's it's harsh. Um and I should say a friend as one of the primary focuses of this video that I searched high and low through all of my stream transcripts for an example of me saying the words that emmel should be fired and I could not find it Um, why would I be careful? Even if even if you did I think that is a totally fine statement to make Yeah, I want to know from never I've always been seen is the statement Okay, only based on whether or not the information you're using to make that statement is true You know if if a meal did a bunch of shit things and then everyone's calls for his resignation And it's true. Is there an occasion where it's acceptable to say that somebody should be fired I assume she gets in my burger. Is it acceptable for me to say the chef should be fired? Well, my guess is his point of view is that this is bad because it's built on information. That's not true And so this happening in general isn't actually or rather in isolation isn't the problem It's the the people are likely coming at it from the wrong information, which he can't even know Okay, okay. And so that's your fault then is and I don't necessarily I don't disagree because I don't think Emil should be fired. I don't think he's done anything to merit being fired I think he should be demoted Okay, he can keep his pay, but you know, that's not someone saying he should be fired Yes, because I don't think he's done anything severe enough to merit that Interesting As the lead-in because this is about you, right? Well, yeah I'm not sure what cretosis. What's your opinion fire or no? um I did say in my video that you probably should be fired But I don't I don't care what they do with him as long as he's not writing. That's my main thing Just take the pen away from him. Don't yeah I said John was demoted to um key grip Well, we said it's okay if he directs just don't let him write Yeah, I'll be one thing because he just he cannot write the man cannot write keep this man away from words Yeah, but you cannot use them responsibly He will never not be allowed to write at this point. Well, to be honest as director You're gonna be writing somewhat inevitably. Yeah, that's true. Even as editor you'll be writing somewhat All right, well, so all all opinions are okay, but some opinions are more okay than others These are opinions saying that you think that somebody should get fired as an opinion. It's harsh. That's for sure Yeah, that's what I was trying to get out was it's it is harsh It is mean people are not consistent with this if it's a cop or a president or anything like that You know, it's it's it's it's they should be fired or worse You know the discourse on that stuff is so people are well someone might argue the the development of a game versus the uh engagement with law or You know politics they they're gonna draw a line there probably but I understand what you're saying that Everybody's gonna have a a line where they would think this is okay And I'm sure he does too. The main thing I'm concerned with is that I assume His issue is that they're doing this based on bad information as opposed to it. I presume that would be yes Today we are going to talk about game development game analysis Sorry YouTube the internet lies how information spreads. We're going to talk about lies There it is how stories evolve human nature justice and other things Just oh and other things can I just say as well all that and what he classified as human nature is starfield dev blames the players I'm curious if he's what he's suggesting necessarily with that That his that his human nature his 15 part twitter response is just human I don't know if it's all human nature All right, all okay in two hours. Wow. Geez amongst all this other stuff. God damn Yeah, no, this this is a slow book. This is a slow boil I'm just saying that if because I had a feeling that's what it was what it was gonna be and it's like well Then why isn't you guys making new videos human nature? Why isn't it let's let's just let's say we're wrong. Okay. Let's say we're absolutely wrong That's still a part of human nature Well, that's why I would throw the fuck out of I don't give a shit all of its human nature That doesn't mean anything to me, you know like parts of human nature or shit Well, it's just like yeah, because we're all humans figures that we'd be doing some human naturey things But you know, I'm gonna want more than that There will be other things Oh and other things and other things But if there is one single part of this video that I would like people to walk away with it is the importance of Fact checking. All right. So this is this is the thesis of his video He wants he not only it is about fact checking, but it goes further To this end I would like to invite anyone who wants to fact check what I'm about to say to do so Oh, yeah, thank you. All right. So he has invited us to do this Um Here we are so that leads into my theory. I believe this video is a trap I believe that this video is full of hypocrisies and disingenuous arguments on purpose in order to make it difficult to respond to And in order to make a weird point about this is how emel felt Doesn't it feel bad when I do it to you that kind of thing Right. So the theory is that it's the jokes on you. I'm pretending to be retarded. Yes Yes, that's a winning strategy right there And I want people throughout this video to kind of take that into consideration because there's a lot of things where if you fact check the sources because He gives an exhaustive uh bibliography of all these sources that he's using if you fact check I'm like that element he used about gdd's the the game design documents that was in his last slide If you actually read the article it's explaining why game design documents are important It goes completely against what he says Okay, if you fact check like any part of this video you're going to turn up something that's wrong And so I view it as like a weird test to see if his audience is even Like actually paying attention to what he's saying or he's incompetent Because yeah, I mean either or see all the time. It's like a golden rule of e-fab Where the subjects claims and evidence are almost always Contradictory to their claims. Well, my view is he fucks up in ways that are that can't be accidental The example I gave was he uses like chronologically sequential examples That are increasingly ineffective as arguments I don't think that you can do that accidentally or it's a hell of a coincidence in conjunction with everything else that he That he does in this video I don't even know where to begin in terms of referencing the things that we've seen in the history of e-fab the Things you people wouldn't believe I It is the kind of shit where it's like but they had the Okay, I you know, I'll go with wad. Do you remember wad? Rags of free rags was there cover free was but we're covering Ralph the movie maker's joke a video Oh That was there was like I still remember that one. That was rough I want to say those six of us or something and as we were progressing through the video You know that the thought came up of like is he deliberately sabotaging the film? Because jay was there. Yeah, jay. Yeah, hang on So he's saying things that are just they just seem like outright lies And like I think it took a while for a lot of us to turn to the point where we were like I think he's just lying. I don't think this is incompetence. I think this is just lies And jay was the holdout jay was like no, this is this is just accidental. This is this is a mistake He's he's just he just didn't realize he's missed some things And then there was a clip that was played because he'd made a claim about a particular scene Then he used the clip that would counter his own argument and like jay gave up I could be I could be I could be convinced if it wasn't for what he says at the end of cretosis's section about like wanting cretosis to feel how emo felt Well, on that point too, I know you guys have dealt with this like a thousand times But during my section, he does include a clip that just proves what he's saying about me. Yeah, that's normal Yeah, the problem is that how many things that's normal. Yeah, this is like I said, that's like an efap golden rule Like you could have a bingo card of just this it's it's kind of nuts I think one of the issues is that when people listen to these videos They they don't listen they hear them They don't actually think about the words and the thoughts that are being presented to them They're extremely non critical And I think that a lot of youtubers sort to Sort of fall into their own trap and they get it's almost like a a bizarre version of audience capture that's um that's just like It's even hard to describe. It's like Like pure apathy an apathy black hole that they suck themselves into somehow And they don't do Do diligence on things because people don't listen to them enough a little bit. Well, I think I will keep track of Who is on which side of this? Is it a shitpost? Is it just is he just wrong? Debate I am firmly in this is real for now All right Yeah, because I always go into videos thinking that it's not a meme. Yeah, I likewise I mean, I'll I'll go further than that. I'm not just going off basic like good faith or or neutrality I'm actually I'm going as far as saying in the first two minutes I would I would argue in a in a sterile environment. This is a man who's taking all of this very seriously And you know if if if there's clues to reveal his trickery, I will I will change my opinion accordingly I think the biggest argument against my position is simply that it was made in about a month And I don't think you can craft something this magnificent Uh ironically and in just a month Um I don't know. I don't know if you sit down and you really go at it. I think uh Well, see I've done it before great things I've done the uh disingenuous shitpost video thing before and I barely got a 13 minute video done in Less time than he had so two hours and 17 minutes talented. Yeah, maybe Maybe he's got an insane workflow. Maybe this is he's got that grind set Yeah, well it would explain why he's so mad if this is uh, something that's been eaten away at him That's true To make this as easy as possible for you I've included a list of all sources in the description alongside relevant time stamps for videos I refer I got a complaint. It's in my response to he didn't archive anything So half of these posts could disappear. Oh, I see me Friends I would be my best to that is something I would easily classify as just rookie mistake sort of thing with Oh, absolutely. He makes several of those in terms of like approaching this as a commentary channel Order chronologically according to when they're referenced As someone who has actually a very good point who you said that because that is the like with their uh manifestos They'll often they won't archive. They'll just link to things that are very much weak to destruction in a sense spent the last week scrubbing through numerous videos some of which are quite long Hopefully this will make the job. That's the funny part because he only watched 25 of my videos. So 25 it's all we needed. That's how bad your video was. Yeah And so I'm doing recently easy You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you a legend. I already feel That's what I'm saying. If this is a test on if you're paying attention. I mean he's provided the uh The I don't like worksheet for you him scanning through all of this by the way I'll be like that's a lot of effort for a troll post trap thing especially like Well, it's also so like low effort, you know, it's not there's not even like a standardized format to the line spacing Mmm, that is true. That's hard. But again, that could just come as the result of him Doing it his way not being more familiar with how to do it, you know Well, the final bibliography is much more thorough in terms of the timestamps it includes. So This is just a work in progress. Mm-hmm With that out of the way Let's begin Oh, that's some petty shit for me with that out of the way. Yeah, he had like Well listen, he doesn't want to do this. Let's begin Like like scrolling through all of that just took the wind out of him, you know That's a tough one So we're about to start the reddit section Uh, actually we're starting the talk section this part. Oh the talk section of uh With the most infamous speech in the history of game development. All right. That's a meme never said that cretosis. Have you ever said that? No Last year August somewhere around in there. We uh me and private sessions watched a gdc talk by the guy that basically Over monetized destiny 2 and it was like an instruction guide on how to do it And uh, like he was emphatic and trying to get that game after watching that Yeah, have you um, have you seen this and I guess cretosis. Have you have you seen that? Did you see that talk by the guy? I'll pull it up from it. It's fucking nuts. It's insane. It's like the some of the most black pill shit Is that the one that's uh make uh players into payers? Uh, no it is I mean in spirit. Yes, and in it's the one where he goes It's featured in my video. It's uh first trust then retention then revenue Dude, I think I've seen clips of this thing from like a jim stealing. Yeah, no, it gets around for sure. I think uh I hate everything Uh, but yeah, so that's even That's easily a talk that's worse another one would be the uh famous mobile game whale talk From like 2012 2013 the whale. Yeah, I remember clips related to that So, I mean, I I know that he's being hyperbolic But if he is implying that this is a stance that we have no Well, so my take immediately from it would be that he's trying to say it's ironically like he's not saying this seriously He's saying that this is the the thing that defined everyone's takes on starfield this speech ends making it so important In a sort of like a facetious way He's not serious at all. He's he's saying it. Yeah, it's absolutely it's absolutely hyperbolic. Um, Which is fine. We'll see how it goes Default text and premiere Leave him alone, dad. It's an opportunity to do something nice as a youtuber It's all right. Oh wow it He's doing on purpose for ironio something. It was made in three weeks. You know, he's got a cut corner somewhere That's not an excuse dammit. It's easy You just put text on a screen. Do your dumb ass shadow No, I I absolutely did it in my world I relatively often use default if I ever want to put text in No one's free of sin. That's right. Everybody does it. But I mean, it's just a sign of laziness objectively Has somebody that doesn't sort of sign of laziness if you feel like Satisfies your goal normal funds Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's fine. It's fine if you want to use it, but I just think that Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it, but it is default It is white text on black screen. Well, the cool thing to do is just download a custom font To put it in that relates to the video or something But I'll put it this way It's longer for him to find that string music download it and then Put that into the video and then clip it to the time he wants Then it is to just do the text. Yeah I uh, that's fine. That's fine. I don't sound like it's fine. Everyone can have their opinion Everyone Everyone can have their own opinion. It's true. I apologize. I apologize cats and dogs living with each other. That's what the world you want Yeah, so it's the whole cast Free is as much about the journey as the destination And so I think the best way there is again More as many gold straight right now I have no why would you include asmongold in this because he had to know that he was going to respond poorly I don't wait the You mean the guy with this video knew asmongold would respond to this video poorly Probably. Yeah. Why wouldn't he Honestly, I'm not familiar enough with asmongold to know like what does he typically do with videos that call him out? Does he just go to his section and then go like yeah, he just he just goes straight to his section That's what the jail part is. He doesn't give a fuck about the topic or me or cretosis or any of that He just wants to know why he's catching stray rounds from all this Which if you're on team trap could be an example of like he was uh Burying the dislikes that he was going to get trap has a different connotation He does have a pinned comment saying oh, that's where all the dislikes are coming from it's yeah, which to be fair He had it. He had a 60 40 like dislike ratio before asmongold reacted Yeah, don't even fuck you kid. That also just sounds like strategy for both of those as a youtuber One you put in asmongold just to be like the famous youtubers who can get people to be like, whoa, whoa Whoa, what's going on here and to get people to go? Hey asmongold. Have you seen this and then secondly? He'll have a back door for like oh, it's disliked Yeah, I guess we know why that's happening. Yeah Is to take you along the path and I took to get here Now hopefully if you're watching which was a shitty pass and left for me on starfield and its developer Bethesda But if not the short version is that Bethesda are the makers of several popular rpgs And their latest game starfield left many people disappointed you could say that something why would you I've mentioned this before When I was watching it with private sessions, why would you? Include the article headline and not just the fucking quote itself Because there's a quote that's floated around that that says the same thing. I don't know why you would include the article like Why is dan lipscomb? That normally refers to yeah, it was the the starfield together uh Yeah, the star the Skyrim together mod developer on discord was talking about this issue Yeah, just have the discord that that's what I know it from because just the original I just know it as a as a As the the screenshot of that person's comments not somebody else's headline referring to that thing I would just have to say you just discord post you can just you can just post it like a screenshot You did it for the uh, but now we'll see now i'm thinking about how you would have Like that means you would have searched for an article covering it and then snapped that instead of just the comment He probably just was linked the article somewhere and then was like oh Well, maybe he thinks that makes it feel more professional to have an article title. Yeah Yeah, I guess posting the discord screenshots is bad for the person themselves Yeah, the person themselves saying the thing is less. Well, he's he saves the discord screenshots for when he wants to criticize me so Else you might be familiar with is me That no i'm not familiar with you. Uh, I actually had zero knowledge of this person before like a couple days ago So this is all very interesting. I only I've only known of this person Through their skyrim video that patrician covered. Yes. So you're already hyper biased rags. We're gonna have to you have to leave So the interesting story about that. Um, the first reaction stream I did was never knows best a bolivian video and I was very positive towards that video So when I was planning the skyrim stream I tactically placed a skyrim video in a place where I knew it would be following up a really bad skyrim video And I was like, okay, this is gonna redeem things We're gonna watch a good skyrim video again and then his skyrim video just Absolutely shit the bed Like I had I had the in I had to end the stream and I Had to go back to it like a week later. Yeah, you had to do it partner. Oh, because it took so long Well snow what happened not not even that it's because um halfway through the video He starts like getting very meta with his commentary and talking about uh, the phrase he uses is gameplay Gameplay shape lenses or something like that gameplay loop lenses or something Where he's basically criticizing people who? Talk about gameplay loops in their videos, but he's not directly naming anybody the phrase He won't use the phrase gameplay. Yeah Is it does he get a reason why like a good reason? No, it's just dragged it out and it was and it was after like a pretty poor Half first half of the video that I was like, okay This let me down and I need to I need to just stop and I had to put it off for like a week and cover some other people's videos and come back to his Well, okay Yeah, I've never heard the take but I didn't even know there was people out there who thought gameplay loop was a thing That that you disagree with in concept if you know what I mean But okay, I've never heard of that either. There's a reason why it's a very popular and readily understood phrase That's very useful to use with because a lot of designers use it Yeah, it's you can yeah, you can look at a gameplay loop in Like the a descriptive way in terms of when people play like if I'm reviewing a video game Then what I will do is I would probably be like, all right What will the gameplay loop be not even what it is? But what what will it be if I was to you know recommend people to buy this game? What will they end up doing? I think the gameplay loop is going to describe how players engage with it based on its mechanics and its reward structures and things of that nature It's really useful I think it was said of halo 2 that the halo is just like 30 seconds of fun repeated for the entire course of the game Uh, then you can if just if you can nail 30 seconds of fun, you can stretch that out to fill a game Like it's a standardized term. I don't know why you would hold a stigma against it, but yeah, so that's that's uh That's my experience with never knows best Interesting is a good oblivion video and a bad skyrim video. Well, I Feel nothing about him so far because I am a blank slate of history. I'm loving this video so far There's nothing in it. I don't I'm very positive on him because he said I could have opinions That was honestly the big reason why I'm going to subscribe. I'm just hoping nothing else tarnishes this video going forward Looking forward to when he destroys you to this video even though he didn't want to Yes, that's why you know That's why you know someone has courage and bravery to be able to make something like a youtube video when you don't even want to That's when That's when you earn a lot from me. I would say Every time I go to windy's and I buy their shit terrible awful Nasty food. I'm always glad when they say, you know, I didn't want to make this burger when they hand it to me I'm like, well, you know what? You know what trooper? Thanks for doing it. Anyway. What a chad And if you are you might know but the last video I made was about bad games and how people react and talk about them I wonder if that video is cringe I have I have heard things about it because Like I there is nothing about golem It's creation the reaction to it that is anything but fucking deserved that game is a disaster And if you if he makes any point like This is cruel. It's done for amusement or something. It'd be like you fucking bet. I look at the transcript for it And see if you guys are named But we can go. Oh, I doubt it. But yeah It was during the making of that video that I ended up noticing how discussions around starfield were increasingly becoming centered on one single name Emil Paglia Rillo A man thousands of people seemed to hate So pathetic I swore to god Okay, so yeah, this is this is the evils post on twitter, which I'll be honest with you Any developer posted a 15 tweet long thing. I'd be like, uh, oh, like what's Well, the context he leaves out too was that Bethesda was in the news for responding directly to people's steam reviews So to have that going on and then for one of the main developers to like come out with this big coping and seething session Uh, of course this fucking attracted attention Yeah, because a lot of them they do not Interact with the community in that way. In fact, a lot of companies literally have people whose job it is to do this for the company God some game developers. There's like this this fucking strain of game developers. No, I'm not exactly new What you're not going to let him finish? I feel like that was the middle of a sentence you stopped there That's a very good fact checking thing. You're supposed to go to that asman gold clip and get the full context for yourself It's an ARG. Okay. Oh I like that nice interactive youtube experience. It's like a chooser on adventure I hope indiana jones survives this book discussions And so this name was familiar to me Emil is a design director at Bethesda game studios who worked as a writer on oblivion He's credited as a designer before becoming the lead writer He was not a lead writer on skyrim. He was just a senior quest designer Listen, he wants to meet if he wants us to fact check. I'm gonna fact check. These are how these people were credited So the big thing that's happening in meta with Bethesda right now is like people are just fucking bored of their style, right? Uh, yeah, they're certainly being called out as being dated Because man, they were always dated but they were like exclusive to a certain genre Like they were the only person that offered anything that would felt like skyrim But they're not that anymore. We have a cd project read now Or we have people that are going in deeper with like balder's gate three Because i'm a little out of the loop on him, right? I I played the shit out of fallout 3 and then that was that I don't think i've jumped back into their stuff at all since then And if you told me what i'm looking at right now is a fallout 3 mod. I'd be like, yeah probably And it's like no this came way out. You're like, oh No, do you see that? Well, okay What's interesting is the footage he's choosing to use is from the 2021 trailer That's it doesn't look particularly good because this is just old gameplay. This is old years. Okay. Yeah Yeah, this is not new stuff. You can see that with the ui. There's ui elements that aren't in the final product like the name Yeah, it doesn't have that it doesn't have that Bethesda polish in it yet The reason I already knew of emil is because he's long been mentioned by some people in the Bethesda fan community As an almost true man type figure who is responsible for many of the bad parts of these games More so in the fallout community, but we hate boogeyman here. He's he's awful, right? We hate him Yeah, we sure do he's full of bugs. I like him Something I was never sure of however was when and how this animosity between emil and the fallout and elder scrolls community started I mean That's easy information to get Oh, yes, but he said on his own adventure where he just probably you had content, right? You probably should have figured this out when you were covering skyrim Now even me not really knowing the finer details of this I would assume it's something that slowly but surely Piles up after a relatively long series of bad to mediocre content Well, and that's the point that he's going to make is that it's just something that's built up over time Hmm. Well, yeah, but that's like Yeah, that's normal if someone that's how information propagates. Yeah And so as I saw him being mercilessly ripped into on twitter Oh, no Random people on the internet have said unkind things. I'm getting the impression about his product I'm getting the impression here that he's like that. He's he's going to find out whether or not he Deserves it like he's not against the action in and of itself. It's just got to make sure if he deserves it Which is in a sense. Yes. I feel like the moral outrage is a bit misplaced It's um Because because it's sound especially the way that he's running his narrative. He's like everyone hates this guy Is that true? And then he describes the event of seeing all this stuff happening as like malicious or cruel or Over the top whatever and it's like, yeah, but you'd be fine with it if he was actually like hyper responsible Actually incompetent and incompetent writer Okay Yeah, just feel weird I'm wrong. They had a plan and starfield was still a mess despite that That's that's why starfield's not part of this uh, this argument because if it was like, yeah, it's still a fucking mess So who do we blame? Is it bad that you say on islamic pair that begin on september 12th, 2000 You say that starfield is a mess. I'm just sitting here like Yeah, of course it is I mean everyone knows it. I haven't played it. I've seen enough videos on it to be like jesus fucking What else would it be? They may mix illegal Yeah in big youtube videos and even in the gaming media I became curious about where this conflict began Okay, so I kind of wish theo were in chat because he would have fucking killed himself already with how long this takes just to get to I wish theo was here because he would have killed himself I don't know why but it became theo's thing specifically of getting annoyed with people who take fucking ages Just to start up their point. It's like I get it. I get I know I know I know I know come on come on come on You can do it. We're not to the five minutes of just uninterrupted presentation that we have to skip because It's uh, not really relevant Don't worry as well. Theo has regenerative powers. That's why I said it would be funny What exactly emil's original brain comes right back just to be pissed off again The earliest anti-emil remarks that are still around come from the old school earliest anti-emil remarks It's like an archaeologist dusting off an egyptian piece of pottery and looking at the inscription and being like, ah, yes This is the first recorded instance of if I was emil's sentiment in the old kingdom That was his editor I might be like, do you think maybe we should just skip to the part you want to talk about? You want the part you actually care about instead of I know because then it would be obvious that he's ass hurt. Yeah From no mutants allowed A place once known for its users passionate dislike of Fallout 3 and Bethesda Hey, listen just liking follow things change the more things stay the same. I guess. Yeah On background fallout 1 and 2 were developed by different studios and after Bethesda acquired the fallout license I had a friend who despised fallout 3 because he loved fallout 1 and 2 That's just how that goes. I uh All I had ever back in the day was that everybody thought fallout 3 was awesome It was like the best game ever that was it. It's um, yeah It's very popular as a first dip into open world RPG styles of games But if you if you're if it was for me, yeah Yeah, if you're just a fallout fan, then they did not take it well at all Well, that's what um, hbomber guy's video is about right like comparing to fallout 2 for its depth and stuff Yeah, fuck. It's been so long since I've seen that video same Uh, but that's the one that he got responded to and then that one got responded to Yeah Yeah 35 hour rabbit hole Well, it's the because I used to be like in memes for the rabbit hole things It was mathematosis to hbomber guy to me to then a bunch of other people have responded to my videos Just like people still find out where the doxels to is an utter piece of shit Yeah, I mean that's just the nature of discourse, you know Yep What's the you've used an expression before it's like it takes minutes to uh to correct something That misinformation seven seconds or something akin to that? Oh, there's a quote for it. Yeah It takes one domain on your law Um A more crude way of saying it would just be Compare the amount of time it takes to shit on the floor and clean up that shit on the floor, you know Yes, and I think that's why this video is so long Because it it's intended to be daunting to respond to Yeah He shit this out in a few weeks and now we got to deal with it Well, uh, yeah, we we've gone over so many times someone He made every me made this everyone's problem Someone can make one sentence and there could be like 17 things wrong with what they just said like it's It gets complicated with stuff like that Fallout fans were concerned about the direction the series would take and things like the move away from an isometric perspective No mutants allowed was originally the place for these type the place for these type mls reputation there was pretty positive Pretty positive This seems to be because he was one of the only Bethesda developers who actually addressed older fans concerns during Fallout 3's development People didn't always like the answers he gave but they seem to appreciate him quote It's still pretty awesome that a prominent Bethesda dev finally walks out of his shell to answer questions or Something i'm gonna recommend is just pausing to read the post because there are there is context He will leave out or like where they go on to say something that's contrary to what he's saying this one Looks fine Well, uh, seriously the kind of my issue with this though is that um, he's doing What could be interpreted as Right would it be what is there a reverse poison the well or is it just poisoning the well? Uh, you can only is there an expression for so like if I were cleansing the well Like preemptively putting iodide tablets in there Yeah, like the idea of course that I'm getting that is that he's like look how nice this guy is look how awesome This guy is now. Let's get to what he said in the present that pissed people off. It's like well wait Oh, what do you said previously on how nice he isn't necessarily important to why people reacted the way they did to How he said things at present This is from what 2007 it's a long time Yeah, unless these comments inform something about what he's saying, but that's really not the point here Is it it's more so look at his reputation. Look. I hope people treated him. It's like, hmm I would pay attention to what he highlights and what he leaves out of his example with this one Okay, boys answers aren't bad boys answers aren't bad at least this guy actually makes sense when he talks Okay, this is the only part he's going to highlight But then the other party leaves out is but one thing pisses me off Developers praising games that no one yet played except for them. We are making a wonderful game, etc Shit drives me crazy. I wish someone would finally give soul facts and some honest overview on the game without making so much hype So there is a but and there is a criticism But he's only highlighting the part where mo is seen positively just to make this point that like People didn't dislike mo back then Also, yes, the video skipped a little bit on my end. Hopefully that stops but hey who watched together is um, it's not perfect guys. I'm sorry Or it's rather weird But I like that interview because for once he was not trying to sell how awesome Fallout 3 was He was being honest and even if reality sucks, it's better than a lie Oh insignificant the changes brought to the gameplay where I mean, it's just I think that's just a minute. Yeah, I think that's pretty relevant when it comes to him coming to talk about Fallout 3 that He's there to he is there to shill yeah emu's reputation would change after release of Fallout 3 And then it got worse with time as Fallout 3 success became clear and it started winning game of the year awards and such During this time Which means nothing for spoken was my game of the year last year Game of the year is just you can just say whatever is game of the year and they have to count it in the vote Yeah, like how do you tally what you know, is is it like there's a list of official game of the year You know And you tally back back then game of the year was an aggregate vote And it was usually just journalistic outlets would list their game of the year and then whoever got listed the most would win The problem with that was games journalism was very young a lot of these outlets were like literally your regional newspaper It was just some guy assigned to talk about gaming news And so game of the year for about a decade would just go to whatever game was most popular In the latter half of that year All right, then Emil as lead writer and designer on the game did a lot of interviews and publicity events And this is another thing he points out his weight In in the like three years that i've been talking about emil i have never Never saw fit to talk about his weight or any of the other like intrinsic qualities that he can't control about himself So i think it's very strange that he's going out of his way to like mention this I think he's saying it in the context of a compliment I get that but he used to be a fat boy, but now he's not good job Which is a strange thing to bring up, but why bring it up at all I wouldn't put it i wouldn't put it in my video Um And if you are i feel like it's something that you want to verbalize so that you can have a particular tone in your voice That could sound congratulatory in an earnest way instead of making it text because It just pisses me off because i I go out of my way to not attack the intrinsic qualities of people And then like he here he is just like mentioning it off-handedly and also i'm the bastard in the situation I uh the only reason i could say that i might bring it up is that in case anyone thought that that wasn't Emila they'd be like oh he lost the weight good on him. Yeah something like that move on but i understand He's got red hair. He's got the same facial hair like, you know Well, some people in chat thought it was louis ck. So, you know Yes Talking about the game's reception and plan dlc which brought plenty of continued attention This situation was likely exactly Yeah, the dlc was rather controversial. There's at least all out three. I think yeah, which one the first one A multiple of them mother ships data and whichever one was the first one that retconned the engine Uh broken steel broken steel point lookout Mother ships data and what was the fourth one operation anchorage anchorage number five Oh, there were five damn Because I remember controversially really liking uh mother ships data I thought it was so goofy and funny and then my friends like it was shit though And I was like, yeah, the whole fucking game is shit It was completely in character. I think it is like it's um A lot of people that are like Turning switches in their brain to like fall out three play mother ships data and they're like getting people's perspective on why the game sucks And they're like, no, no, it's just the dlc. That's bad. It's not fall out three hmm I don't know mother ships data feels like the perfect microcosm of fallout three because it's a lot of shooting and no substance I remember being like, what the fuck am I playing like just running through killing the the aliens that look so goofy And just for like, yeah, whatever I guess Like there was nothing binding it. Uh, there was no intention beyond just being like, look you're a fucking alien ship You're shooting aliens. Isn't that great? Yeah, I guess so Likely exacerbated by the fact that Bethesda, Emil and particular games media All seem to be acting like fallout three was a great game with interviews and awards that were celebratory in nature Hey, but that's okay because it's their opinions That's true. Hmm I don't have their opinions. Oh, that would be curious, wouldn't it? Would he be okay with everyone saying like mass Sending messages to a single account saying you should be promoted. You should be the CEO I assume that would be okay for for a false reason. He should be yeah. Yeah, if you're gonna feel just like it All while no mutants all All while no mutants allowed considered fallout three to be a relatively bad game and something of a betrayal of the series With the writing in particular being scrutinized for inconsistencies with the original law As well as problems with full out threes ending. Where's the highlighting? Okay, so interview with Emil and short Emil We like holes in the main plot and we decided to use fallout franchise for our ideas with coolness without taking a second Thought about them. What what kind of quote is that? We like hold listen. That's entirely in character for him That that is shit that immo would say Wait, look at that second one Phrasing by the commenter. I was about to say yeah And we don't give a damn we like oh is oh, so they're saying that this is how it comes across to them Welsh internet, what can I say disgusting cave people internet and I just you know, I'm doing my best But it's pretty impressive. We've come this far being cave people, right? I'd say so. Thank you guys. I appreciate that I want to give a shout out to all the brave cavemen who tested out the strange berries in the forest So that we wouldn't know which ones to eat you like green one thumbs up black one thumbs up Brown one Well, listen grog, that's just your opinion Hey grog allowed to have his opinion. I did not want to make this We don't want to make this cave painting Oh Oh golly gosh, well looks like I'm back in and we can Fucking carry on I swear to god the worst thing about this is that there was a time I was talking to fringy And this thing this internet thing happened like twice within two minutes or some ridiculous thing I swear to god if that happens We tested my patience so over Let us simply continue before I lose my mind Also, don't worry anybody who sent see which apps they're all saved and we will get to them We've got I think there's five I need to put out at this point that we've recorded Yes, we put out quite a bit Don't you worry you're gonna need a chart to keep track of the efap timeline All right. Well, I label them all they'll be absolutely fine. It'll be wonderful In any case, uh, we're we're gonna I'm gonna roll us back 10 miniados Here I go. All right bad game and something of a betrayal of the series With the writing in particular being scrutinized for inconsistencies with the original law as well as problems with Fallout 3's ending Yeah, so now I was gonna bring up us. Yeah, the the that that was famous Uh, was there anybody who wasn't aware of that blatant plot hole to the point where you wonder how the hell They didn't solve it There were people who were in denial What are you talking about? What do you mean blatant plot hole? Do what did they run with fucking forks is excuse me cry This is something you have to do It is your fate This made emil oh wait. Yeah. Did you want to read those? Oh, we good to carry on Oh, we're good to go one of the main faces of fan discontent And it was a discontent, but um, I'm just gonna have to disagree. I'm sorry. Todd Howard exists He's in way too many fucking thumbnails And he's mentioned way more often than emil so I don't buy that for a second Todd Howard is the the lightning rod I mean, yeah, you could say that I'm just imagining the meme of the soldier blocking all the bullets and knives from the sleeping child I love that, babe. It wasn't being acknowledged by anyone outside of the forum Oh, wait, what's that meme where you have the soldier with his arms out and all the knives are hitting him in the back In front of the sleeping child You know that meme Never heard of it. So joan, that's what we call a biden moment. I think right is that an opinion? No, I'll judge from chat What what are we talking about? Yep, it is an official biden moment. I think why is he here? Do we have all b-dubs in the chat right now we have him right here right now he possessed you temporarily Can we can we stop this? This is madness. What's going did you mention the meme and I just did literally seconds away And honestly, the weird thing is I thought you'd gotten me. I was like that's why I didn't jump to biden I was like he said it the exact same way. So he must be trolling me this time. Okay, whatever You know, I'm glad that means great minds think alike nothing will ever be no biden moment will ever be the biden moment Where you uh, you talked about that flaming sword or whatever when I was answering a super chat about like fucking Loki And you talked about that book Dernwyn from the main chronicles. That fucking highlight is hilarious. You talk about Dernwyn for like a minute and I have no idea what's going on Okay Perhaps making it more extreme And yet in the grand scheme of things This all seems pretty insignificant Make no mistake. I mean cosmically this was where ml's negative online reputation began But as soon as he stopped doing interviews following fallout breeze release search results for his name on no mutants allowed became relatively rare and This is all rather interesting But do you have proof that it's actually connected to the future points or are you just bringing it up? Here's my radical take seven minutes Seven minutes and all we have is this could be relevant Yeah, well get used to that feeling. Hmm. Listen the theme of this video is fact checking So why don't you yes, why don't you just keep that? No, it's about it's about how all opinions are okay He said that before the fact checking thing so Outside of no mutants allowed there is almost no negativity attached to his name in this period at all For example because like, you know, it was his first shot Maybe it was a little bit of a miss but like let's see. Let's Let him cook a little more and see if it's a trend or if it was just an off day, you know Yeah, when your first people didn't hate him quest down the road people are like, okay Calm down For example, I feel like it's just describing normal human behavior as like something alien I'm honestly. I hate patterns that people recognize. I thought he was going to make it as simple as He was once beloved and now he's not but like with all this extra fluff I'm like are you I'm not exactly sure what painting you're trying to Paint here. It's weird. He's always been very contentious It's weird because I don't think he brings up the ML 1 awards for Fallout 3 Like he there's no high point in this like this uh, this if this is a Here's the downward trajectory that his public opinion has been on there was no high point of like here's all the accolades he got Just highlight. Why the hell does the ending of Fallout 3 shit on my life for? And then you read it it says sorry to burst your bubble but according to a meal paglia rulo No, forks was absolutely a male. This was a mistake What is going on in that fucking reddit thread? I love I loved looking at reddit posts through google because it's always like just bizarre Some fan theories going wild in there. It's from all results before 2015 There is just one person I can find that is unhappy with emil And while they are very unhappy the issue they're angry about is not being allowed to kill children in Fallout 3 With a valid which is valid Yeah, um, you can phrase it in a way that makes you sound like a sociopath It's not even that it's just it's just um, it's immersion breaking when you can't kill people in an open world RPG with That he's It's not like the real world at all It's funny when you have like a mini gun you just go The kid just like bounces off like they're fucking super bad. You're like, okay How come in real life children are especially easy to kill but in video games are invincible Immersion ruined and then you say I hope you choke on a dick in hell emil I I wonder if this is specifically in the context of little lamp light too because this is a section of the main story where you have to deal with a bunch of shit kids And uh, obviously you can't kill them So, yeah, well he showed out a zoomed out post we could go back and see We can see the full post I mean, honestly, I'm not the reason I'm not too interested because I don't think it's going to be relevant at all It probably isn't going to be relevant But he he's phrasing it as sociopathic when it really is like a fall thing of like there's kids in every settlement If you shoot up a settlement then You know, there's going to be that one invincible kid that survives a break from the funny of making joke All kinds of jokes about this This happens in loads kinds of video games and it is a point of criticism I would have I think most people hear what we would too Uh random NPCs you can kill, but you can't kill ones that are below a certain age range Okay And that yeah, uh, you'd always prefer that the game are essential for the truly open truly free But the you know, it's difficult to have a game like that But when it's the kids thing I think it happens in bio shock as well infinite I mean I remember trying to snipe a child's face and it went ding and it like fight like sparked off and I was like, whoa They don't make him like they used to Which they hold emil personally responsible for yeah emil the fuck you doing buddy choke on a dick in hell This user has since deleted their post and whatever their real issue was it seems unrelated and slightly Yeah, I wonder what the issue is That's a normal issue. I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm a gamer and so I'm more aware of Rufus Is that rufus? Yeah, obviously like you can tell from You know the whole outfit so It's weird. Is he saying that he actually doesn't agree with that criticism? Or is he just he's done the thing he doesn't agree with it because it's in defensive emil He's done the thing where he's tried to present it as bad as possible Like even though it's one of the most common. I thought it was a common criticism from a lot of gamers about open world games So an mpc is extremely it's it's it's extremely common and seen as just normal that like yeah Fair he said he a dick in hell, but like I don't care Some guy on the internet. Yeah, of course. He's got to be hyperbolic. You were hyperbolic like two minutes ago he found the most like Inflammatory unreasonable post ever and he's like this was the only one I could find and I'm just sitting here thinking Bullshit You see the problem is that I like I know I know what a lie is Well, wait, and that's I'm not willing to say he's lying about anything I'm more willing to say that this is all just a result of his Hyperbias and the goal that he's got which is obviously like I'm playing as though I'm a little aloof as to what exactly is happening here But I know exactly what he's going to do. He wants to paint a meal is kind of like a chill good guy We're treating this with good faith. Okay, exactly But yeah, you're you're right. He he is just he is batting against this hypothetical argument because It's in his pro mola if I said to you guys like oh this this guy john smith He's so cool I and he used to talk to everybody and they used to really enjoy talking to him And then at one point you like sort of disappeared in this era I look for anyone being critical of him I know I could find just one fucking nutcase saying nutcase things to him And then I could picture you guys being like meaning what and I go meaning that he must be a nice man because Yeah, negative negative 14 down If anything, this is the opposite meaning saying the opposite thing of what he's trying to say meaning a meal is loved And something changed. Yeah, there were fucking there were fucking 15 people that were willing to downvote in emil's honor So I don't know what you're playing about At a so yeah in his own example at a rate of one to 15 emil hate Which is not hey, man, if you go through life and of 16 people that you meet only one of them hates you It's not bad. It's pretty good Be concerning no one should be that angry about not getting to kill children. Oh shut up. I don't know about that I think all you're showing the thing. I mean, it's about You're showing the fucking thing. That's how you present it I didn't vote for mayor McCready. It'll be that's not necessarily any different than saying you shouldn't be this angry over a video game It's a Scottish child, too Yeah, well, I mean it is just an arbitrary line and I'm sorry, but isn't that my opinion Yeah, but that's not an opinion. There were opinions. You're allowed to have opinions. You're not allowed to have This is one of the knots This is one of the knots. Yeah, so maybe you should get a new one buddy. Yeah, okay. I wasn't clear on the instructions We'll figure those out as we go Anyway in 2015 the fool out Bethesda discourse would be jump-started once more by the release of the next main line entry Well, I will say in fallout 3 there was a Bethesda station wasn't there in the subway Yeah, because it's set where they uh, where they were it's a place. Yeah Bethesda's a town as well. Yeah, those refers the revisions are actually they actually don't work there anymore By the way shout out to the subways and fallout 3 I've learned to appreciate your existence as the years have gone on Um, yeah commonly overhated Yeah, I it was because fallout 3 was one of like in a good way it was sort of Like a formative sort of game for me. I played it on the xbox 360 It was the first type of its game I really played and got into and a friend had like this hardback big strategy guidebook sort of thing It had this big map in it And so I remember being like how do I get to this place? And so I would go to the map and be like the subways connecting and I was like I felt like I was actually like exploring and it was very immersive to the point where I still remember it today trying to find the right You know subway stations and going down the tunnels and I'm like I I'm actually like and I'm getting absorbed into this experience That's that's funny. You mentioned that that was part of our fallout 76 thing was we went to uh west virginia and we ended up in dc And uh took the subways and stuff and like they captured dc really well compared to west virginia I have been to the subway system in washington dc when we took our trip and it's very nice It is well it is The subways or the city The subways specifically I I guess I don't have anything to to reference it against. Um, we didn't I didn't have any trouble getting around. Um, I will say Fuck living there and doing that every day. Oh Absolutely, but um, it was yeah, I didn't as a because i'm from arkansas We ain't got no subways, you know, everyone here's got a trove. You got the food place, right? The food place. Yeah subway mcdonald's Oh, yeah, yeah, we got subways We got subways, but I don't go to those Because uh, I just got a subway But yeah, it was it was surprisingly easy to be like, um Get a card go to places the subway has a little loop and you get off where you want to go It's kind of like the um, it's a slightly more complex version of the fairies when we went to Seattle the fairies that would take you across the bay It's a big wide world out there Well, um, but yeah fall out three very immersive. I was gonna highlight the in chat Some people were bringing up revenge of the sith for memes and I was thinking wouldn't it be funny if anakin came in And he was like, uh, gotta kill him and he hit some of the lightsaber and they like they like Barking bonk and they fall over and they're like master sky walker. What are you doing? Is that what the fuck is that how many of them is that why so many survived? Oh, yeah, because when they stabbed reaver That they were like wait, she's not even she's not even she's not even hit and she's like Oh You got me Oh a funny screenshot with a dog there, but also, um, yeah, they do the thing Anakin hit some of the lightsaber and they go into like the downed incapacitated status and then eventually They'll just get back up again He could only sort of knock them down, but they'll just keep getting back up they get up and they're like, hey You're not supposed to be in here If mace window was a if he was An important character that you couldn't kill he would fly out the window And he'd do the weird story hits the ground and then goes to his hands and knees and crawls around for a little bit before Well, not hands He would slowly like get back up Everyone's a motherfucker. Everyone's waiting for them to announce. He didn't die. Everyone's waiting. They're like just do it already We already know He's gonna have scars. He's gonna have a hand Yeah, he'll just get a robot hand and it'll be purple Yeah, and there'll be wind do a star wars story. Well, they don't even do a star wars story anymore Anyway back to the age where you know, he's up the age where they can bring him back and he's like, yeah I've been living well. He said he's fucking pain for 30 years. He said he's willing But the thing is as I discovered I don't remember the context of discovering this apparently he Oh, yeah, it was the Joss Whedon article He um, he writes into his contracts and Joss Whedon forced him to uh, not do this He writes into his contracts that he is not supposed to run in any of his films Samuel Jackson And he's not supposed to run because is it because Samuel Jackson doesn't like running? I guess because he's kind of old and he just doesn't want to fucking deal with that But uh, apparently Whedon Harrison Ford probably ran and indiana jones in the dialing destiny, right? It's probably stunned. I ran a bit. I thought William Shatner could run Hey, hey for being six six hundred and twelve years old Because because he apparently said like You've got me running in this script and Whedon said, uh, yeah, it's just one time This one you can do it. It's when he runs out to with the RPG to shoot down the Yeah, the jet or whatever. I just think I just think that's funny He's like is that a bad idea. It's like I'll be in your movie. You can't make me rob that It's actually for certain characters never seeing them run But just sort of seeing them be around and then walking confidently There's something to that in terms of that character's flavor Sure, or there's like cool, you know Well, you you famously pointed out Ian McClellan is running at the final fight in the black gate You know, you were like, oh look at him go and it's like, yeah, it's awesome to see them doing that But at the same time I I'm I'm okay with them not like I understand you want to have a sit down. That's okay Emil needs to run so that everyone else can walk With many people being critical of its story and or writing And why how can people keep being critical of these games story and writing? What what is why do they keep doing that? It is a mystery Man It's so funny there's an outsider on it though because every single time they release one of these fucking games I'm just like, yeah, so what did this one do especially after 76? I was like, holy fuck, man I think when you go from like when you go from Fallout New Vegas Which essentially presents for the most part two opposing factions that Uh in what they have to say about, you know, stability and freedom and you know, authoritarianism and stuff You're like, okay, this is like a thing, you know And then you go to fall out four and I was like, oh like the railroad are just the good guys and everyone else is The railroad and the Minutemen are just good and everyone else sucks. I'm like, okay All right, then. Well, that's simple. It just works Yeah, just like I well, I guess I guess I have my answer on who to go with I'll just go with the good guys. I suppose and I'll shoot the bad guys and that'll be that Well, it's weird. He's he's taken a non-game approach But if he was talking about the games, he would have to talk about why Fallout 4's story isn't bad to make this point I know this isn't related to the story But Fallout 4's graphics are worse than they should be for a game that was released on playstation 4 Xbox one did the fucking all their games are dated when they come out Well, they did that so it would run really well. That's why it had really good comments It's getting particularly awkward when a few years later red dead redemption 2 comes out And is one of the best-looking games Release That is made by another prominent well Lights well, I I was yeah, I get well likes I don't know that I would put them on the same level, but you know, well like studio with a lot of money It's it's not ugly. It's just a low bit rate on the youtube video that he's recording with obias Yeah, or it's both There is that but it is it's uh Yeah, they the game their games look worse than they should I don't normally like to talk about like bad graphics But I feel like they're in the same category as pokemon, which is you make too much money Big games not to look better than they do And yet that criticism is still largely disconnected from emil's name There are some except. Well, yeah People don't inherently know I was about it. I mean, I literally was about to say that I was like So if if he was the head writer and people are critical of the writing, but they don't use his name Then that means they're just not aware Yeah, they probably don't know I've not mentioned before uh, Todd Howard is the lightning rod and it's because Todd Howard is basically the face of the company Uh, yeah If he was out doing all of the interviews and all of the press and going up on stage Then he'd be the guy who'd be getting all the flak Actually, uh, well feel like culture has changed over the past and I'll go as far as saying maybe even 30 years of Knowing and actually understanding and taking into consideration the people behind the thing instead of just talking about the thing um When I was Younger and even went up into like 360 era a lot of my friends weren't as aware beyond companies We had we had the company sort of talk, but individuals I feel like these days I'm way more hyper aware of so many more individuals behind everything down to like, you know, director writer Cinematographer like these things that I when I was, you know, younger talking about all kinds of things Including games and films that I was just so much less likely to be aware of That's the thing is who says who says the force awaken is made by uh, jj abrams's company versus just jj abrams I think um in the video game world There are still very much that the studios uh the star rather than any given actor or director or screenwriter Because you know if you ask someone Who's the executive producer of grand theft auto like basically very few people who play those games would know who it is Even though it's like the most popular game and even though his name shows up In the credits that play at the beginning of the game every single time Everybody just skips those Yeah, we got hookers to kill Not children though It's particularly high profile. It's because he puts his name on the box. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Tarantino would be one of the better examples of like when I was growing up That was a name you knew if you were into movies and it's like, why do I know him? And I don't know so many other people like, um So many other directors that uh have like consistent movies being made and people have never heard of them It's like, hmm. Why is that and it's like some of them take the effort to make you know their name They want you like they plaster their name on it as a point of like shaman, right? Like it was like, uh, they started putting it in big bold letters on the posters Yeah, and on night shaman film, but there are a lot of directors who don't get that Well, and it's funny because you brought up uh, jj and bad, uh robot like, uh, I still highly recommend Gary's breakdowns of like different things because what do you'll you'll get from him if you were sort of paying attention as well Is that you can find that there's a lot of these projects You're like, wow, that was awful and you're like, oh, it was written by guy. I don't know It's like, okay trace guy. I don't know guy. I don't know is from robot Bad robot and he worked on this this this and he was an understudy of jj You're like, oh, fuck Like that's why he writes that way because he writes the same fucking way with jj. You're like, oh, that makes all those He had a shit teacher. Oh, it's on ironically. Yes. The team in bad reboot as he calls it is uh responsible for a lot of horrors It's kind of funny. Oh like, oh Aristotle top playtoe or vice versa Oh, okay. Well, it's funny because conversely you can find out it's like, oh this composer and then you look it's like, oh He worked with Han Zimmer. Okay, right That explains that In a more positive way Well, yeah, and uh, we end up I feel like we're just doing it all the time these days in terms of a new project comes out and the first thing I want to know is like, okay Who wrote it in direct if they're unknown you find but like who are they connected to what have they done before? You know, oh, they wrote an episode of rick and morty like so they didn't do anything Like that's probably what's actually happened Compared to the way that was before where it's like, oh this guy's erected this marvel film Oh, and he's directed like five movies before this. Yeah, you know Yeah, which I think even back then I think people didn't care as much but these days It's the first thing everyone like jumps onto with the next marvel thing It's like who have you fucking hired this time? Like because it's it's been getting absurd right the more you look into it You're like, oh shit. They got here from that. Yeah, there's that elements of who is ruining all my shit Yeah, yeah, because we want to know what the fuck's going on Yeah, who do I blame for this people? I would write this the same way if uh, if so many things came out and people kept saying the writing's bad It's like who the fuck is even writing these things and you go, oh, it's this guy and you're like We don't have a lot of love for a lot of the writers We think are responsible for some of the worst things that we've covered on e-fab You know what I mean, but listen, we're not considering fallout 4's poor writing as a factor and evils career downfall No, no, that wouldn't be fair. It's just what random people's on reddit are saying That's the important part Very well exceptions, of course, but they're still relatively rare And yet if you skip forward two years, this changes completely. Whoa with negative comments There's something that happened in january of 2017 that might be a little relevant to why that changed Go on Okay Comments about emil now showing up all the time and being very specific With a lot of the criticism based on actual quotes or emil's writing philosophy The event which caused this change is a single speech given at copenhagen games festival 2016 A small event with a small crowd where emil why does that matter? It doesn't matter. We have the internet now. Can I also just suggest The everything we've heard up to this point. We could have just skipped Yeah, I yeah, I I told you I told you This isn't I didn't I didn't mean in a meta sense of us reviewing it because Part of what that is is is trying to advise people in chat of how to make your videos My advice right now is that like you would have killed so many people who might have been interested in this video because of how Fucking laborious that intro is and how irrelevant it feels Um, it will continue I figure Talk on storytelling in games This speech is going to be referenced many many many times By myself and even more so from other people who will appear in this video Okay, come on. You're going to mention the speech that you're going to talk about. Wow You can already tell from the way that he's built this that this is the big deal This speech is going to matter a lot and it's like why are you spending so long Telling us like what blades of grass are growing outside of the garden Get in the fucking garden. So that means you are going to see multiple different Interpretations Why is that in single? I don't know why would you wouldn't need that? First off it shouldn't even have quotes because it's not like they are interpretations Right, no, but they're malicious right And it's a single quote They're not even quotations, but they're not the full quote quote Yeah, that's the second part There's layers here We have layers of Yeah Interpretations of interpretations see that's the point. Yeah, don't worry. We grasp it. We're saying it's mean Well, he's basically saying like they're gonna lie about what they see and they're gonna call it interpretations. It's like, all right There's the truth and there's interpretations. Oh, you've just you've triggered in both me and fringy's heads a simpsons quote I think right right, right like When patrician said there's the truth Oh, yeah Truth and the truth The truth The happy truth of this the no truth Good old little huts attorney at law. Excellent character. Oh, here's sorry, right You can't have a valid interpretation, but all opinions are valid. I just want to be clear here All opinions are valid, but interpretations are in quotes are in shitty quotes On this speech I'm excited to hear this speech Honestly though, what if I'm tempted to make the video of talking about everything about the speech and never actually speech And right at the end you're like and now to play the speech and talk about it It's like if you'd like to see that video, please subscribe This is gonna be like my my very young self when I watched money python in the holy grail and i'm like what everyone gets arrested How does the fucking movie end? I want to stress. I'm so angry. I was like I want to stress. He is going to say later when it's like 20 minutes in That you should have watched the speech He's not going to do it now. He's not going to say now Please pause the video and watch the speech first so you can come to your own opinions No, he's gonna do that. He's gonna do that. Uh, what 11 minutes What okay Is this one of the things that contributes to you believing that this is a meme? Yeah, absolutely because if you were if you were doing this, ironically, you would just say watch the speech It matches too much of what I believe about standard video People do a very very bad job at like planning out their videos and pacing them holy fuck You know how movies often have bad pacing Yeah, yeah, like imagine random guy on internet making big video how bad their pacing might be I'm just thinking like I straight up cut apart a sentence that was six hours into my starfield video and put it in the first Because I thought it was good. So I don't I don't see why he couldn't do that You give a shit. Yeah That's different Listen, I'm trying to keep my innocence To some of the most referenced and important parts of this without further commentary Or you could just tell us to watch the fucking speech. I was gonna say if he's gonna say that anyway Well with Bethesda stories, that's the that's the title of the segment with Bethesda stories That's a weird title. Yeah, you should have gotten you should have gotten the context. It is a poorly put together power point It would be weird because you would You would expect the official writer to have a really good power. Well, listen. He's he's a peck typer He doesn't know homero Well, I'm not I'm not joking that it is real. What's what do you mean homero? Uh, actually putting your your fingers on a sdf and jkl Oh Yeah, like I just thought that was how you Would you two index fingers, right? Yeah, I was about to say That's what the buttons on the f and j are for on the keyboard When I see someone peck typing the immediate assumption I have is like, oh, wow You've spent about like a hundred hours on a computer in your whole life. Like that's about the I assume that person's really old That's actually Yeah, old Hence the word assume because I know people who've spent much longer than that that's still peck type and I'm like, oh He's a professional writer and he was a game reviewer in the 90s Yeah You know, it's it's the habits Listen, it was taken out of what's particularly the worst of it is when it's like, you know Type the word point and you hear like this in the background It's just like, oh my god. Is that one word per like three seconds. Jesus christ That's why starfield took so long think about how long it would take to write 240,000 Some people could type really fast while doing that But all the spots is touch typing. That's for sure Ml likes to gauge his typing speed and letters permanent instead of words Well, you know what I'll say I'll take this opportunity to say those out there who are peck type in to this day Take the time to learn to touch type and it will save you it will change your life The amount of time you'll save ultimately will pay for the time you spent learning it Man, shout out to why I was in grade school. Mavis beacon. I hated typing class I hated typing class and now I look back. She taught us Now I'm back. Yeah, miss raider fucking. Thank you so much. I hated you at the time. We called her darth raider, but I'm so glad that I I learned typing in that class. It is paid It is paid off so much Oh, the the peck typers are finally responding. They finally got their message We gotta wait for the peck typers to come Take their comments Mavis beacon is the like program that I commonly do would help people learn how to touch type and everything It's just funny because the meme I remember is the eager after once called it Mavis bacon And that stuck with me because it was just really funny pulling in Mavis bacon But um, there's probably all kinds of really good ways to learn how to touch type at this point, right? Like Games even that relate to it. So go out there and be all you can be Mario learns typing well Mario t typing Rob He's already learned it. That's why he's teaching it. Oh someone said can you explain the difference? So for genuinely for anybody who doesn't know it's like you have to look at the keyboard and individually press each button with both index fingers as Fringy mentioned or You have you can stare at the screen and write out like a whole assay without ever looking at the keyboard With all of your fingers being used Another way to think about it would be like if you were trying to play keyboard And you had to keep looking at the keys on the piano while itting each of them with your index finger Instead of playing with all five of your fingers on each of your hands Like imagine you're playing a video game and you have to look at the controller Instead of the screen and be like where's a okay? I mentioned before but that was one of my big revelations when I was like playing so many games And I was like dad you should play games and I got to try and play night fire and I was like James Bond game right and and Uh that that moment where I was like not only can he not use both analog sticks at the same time Only one at a time but secondly like you'd have to look down every single time no matter what I told him to do And I was like, oh no And in my head I was like that makes sense Because I play this all the time and he's like never played this Yeah, um, we gotta I got a lot of gamers in the chat. Um and You sort of like if you give a controller if you if you give a controller to some old person or whatever Who's never played video games the things that you take for granted like this thumbstick controls your movement This thumbstick controls the direction you're looking. They're already like what the fuck Yeah, they're they're like that that's an actual complicated thing that you have to learn and get used to because you never use that in your daily life That's not how like that's not a skill that you pick up from daily life That's a that's a video game thing that you have to learn and get used to This one is for moving this one is for looking So if you want to move one way and look the other way That's like a skill that you learn and seeing someone who's never engaged with that skill before Struggle with it is it's like it's like eye-opening now because there's a simpson's quote for it Literally every fucking scenario for free. Someone's just post this in chat. I gotta read it out Your fingers are too fat to order a special dialing wand mash the keypad with your palm now That's Now I'm thinking of the other telephone related joke of the simpson's you remember was Bart when he uh, he thought that uh Flanders was gonna kill lisa and then he he's like calling the police and then he just hits a bunch of red buttons Yeah, you have selected Regicide Being murdered To the fucking police like it's a like like winning the lottery of some shit Oh god, there was so many good jokes and that that one that was uh season six again. We are the greatest season of the simpson's We are up to the five minute stretch of uh, just emerald talking Oh, I don't know. I'm excited sweet. Okay. I've all listened to him than the video maker I'm really excited This is gonna tie it all together. Yeah, this this is the man. We're defending here. So yeah, this is like discovering the fucking rosetta stone Give him the floor So you can form your own opinion. Thank you. Remember the full version is below if you want to see more And if this section well, okay, so he's acknowledging that there's a full version just fucking tell people to go watch it Yeah, or tell us the relevant information. That's what's so weird Is the the premise of this video is that we need to get the correct information done So you sit here thinking like so you've gone and found it for us and you're gonna show us to it And then he says like if you want to see the full interview, you're like Oh full that you're like, do I need to see it or do I not? I'm here. It's a test. I'm telling you You're being tested on whether or not you're listening to them generous like people We've come across with way worse videos of this and we have not assumed they were done as a trap or maliciously They're just stupid I feel like this is like two worlds meeting together like the e-fab world I'm trying to think of more examples like, you know rag string help me out Like what have we come across in the world of e-fab? That's just like you'd obviously think that's insane It's like no, they're being genuine. It was funny I mean, I think the the high top is con like I think originally before we realized that high top was just a Fucking loser trying to be artsy that like wow, this this is indistinguishable from parody Well, if you remember and uh protection brought it up with like his coverage of different youtubers We like have a moment It'll usually it's three times the coverage and then that it's over first time we cover someone People in chat are like angry and what the fuck you doing this guy's awesome. Why are you doing this? Mentor that was the classic example. Yeah And at the beginning why are you covering and then you know a third or fourth time well the second time It's like 50 50 of oh god this guy again. Then someone else is like, what do you mean this guy? He's good and then third time they're like, oh jesus Where you compared the aliens to vietnamese Yeah, that might have cost him something I've learned so much about the the human condition Well, this is what I want to get that I'm like people I'm like Patricia's like it's a trap. I'm like bro. I don't know okay People make wacky videos Only decisions I do indeed. I love someone in chat just said he did what someone hasn't brushed up on the e-fab history Believe me bottomless well, we were fucking losing it when we saw that shit wasn't dev on for that one or something I can't remember Yeah, I think so Those are like my favorite moments because uh, they're not prepared for we have no idea He was gonna say that but he said it in the same vein as uh, gimley intends to kill sam and frodo that kind of take it over Yeah Feels a little long well trust me that it will be important. All right We make our stories and how do I personally make my stories? Um, I thought you know, it's funny I never really thought of the process that I used to write stories and make games and then I realized I do have a process Um, that's not a good start. I'm gonna be completely honest. I'm trying to be trying to be unbiased here Yeah, you guys are being initiated the hard way It's amazing because Like you would think that your process isn't something that you discover is like descriptively Just the kind of how I end up doing things like well, I guess that must be my process Yeah, no any rights that tells me I didn't know I had a process until I guess I thought about it Yes, I do have what I'd be like what the fuck I'm just gonna put it out there this talk on its own Could mirror it in e-fab Yeah, I've seen from the clips and stuff We have we're 40 minutes in now to a new stream. So the cap has been lifted to another 11 hours I'm not saying you guys have to stay for that long. Don't worry And I started to put it together. I realized that there are three primary points that I use when I create a story From one of our games Those three points for everyone here today. So going to the first point kiss Yes, you could tell it's kiss because there's the lips on the white background I just I ran in my head like what could he say that would throw you off? And I was coming up with example and then just I just see this and I'm like, yeah, that'd throw me off He's really selling himself to the audience here that he's somebody worth defending Is kiss like it's kis like it stands for something Yes, he's gonna go into it One thing I want to mention is that he picked this quote up from Todd who just said keep it simple Ah, okay. Yeah, see this is why it's fun for me because we thought that that was part of the Yeah, I'm so out of the loop. I act as the audience insert of just being like what the fuck's going on here And I'm like, all right fine. Let's see what he has to say about this What does that mean? Oh When I'm coming up with a story for a game I like to concentrate on strong central themes Yeah, this is bold isn't it Strong central themes keep it simple. I already feel like You know Because themes can strong central themes could be simple and complicated and they shouldn't be pushed In necessarily in one direction or the other it depends on the project, you know, I mean, it's like Listen, it's not what it's not what that motto is typically used for that motto is typically used more in an engineering application than the writing Yeah, because the less moving parts, uh, your machine has less points of failure. It has Right Yeah, Mollie you grew up in the uk. Have you never heard of kiss? It was battered into me as a school I have never heard of the acronym kiss Now that comment made me think they were talking about the band. Have you never heard of kiss? Oh, I know kiss the band I just didn't know about kiss the approach to working, you know, keep it simple stupid That's new to me One or two strong central themes is enough. It's not something that like surgeons say to each other. Is it keep it simple stupid? You know, I could I could see having valley. Well, yeah, he's even told us how far we jumped there But all right. Well, it's number two going to the second point Yours funny is if you hadn't what is it? Why are you cutting him for time? You got to leave in all the us and awes and the awkward statements What's funny is if you if you'd not kept in the part where he said having a strong theme I have to say and keep it simple stupid Like if you just kept it keep it simple stupid I would have had more to imagine that was a good point from him Then if he had, you know, like stopped him earlier, but now we moved on part of the test So now part of the test you got to get the context This is me speaking directly to is it never knows best is the name of the youtube? Yes, um Probably shouldn't have done that because now it gives me a sense someone who's not necessarily I'm not even necessarily willing to watch all of your video let alone jump to a different video as context to your video So when I'm listening to you summarize him as saying my writing advice is number one. Keep it simple. Have a strong theme Like that's already confusing to me. And then you're like number two. It's like, what? No, no, no, no Number two Um More to the point. Why wouldn't you bring these examples up when they're relevant to your argument? Why is this its own section where you're bringing up all the like because who's going to remember this by the time? It becomes relevant later on it's simple stupid. He's keeping it simple stupid. Ah, gosh big dummy I mean, there's a lot of moving parts to this video though Right because I got to remember I got to remember all these different fucking things that emil said instead of just bringing it up when it's relevant I will say this this statement. It's all about how you contextualize it Uh, well, yeah, because this is a very This is a very common bit of writing advice This is one of the parts that he's going to fuck up later on. Um, when he he he says that Kratosis is changing emil's meaning and then he changes uh, he himself never does changes his meaning And he leaves the evidence on screen because that's the weird part is there's no subtitles on screen right now But later on in the video, there's going to be subtitles when It could be like that's why I think it's a test You can't accidentally include the captions It's also the same part where he includes the clip of my video where I'm not saying exactly the thing He's claiming he's taking one word of it to misrepresent what I'm saying Yeah, I'm looking forward to it Yeah, this is all the setup chat. We're getting this is all gonna get scary as we move on because all the payoffs will happen What does this mean right what you know Does this mean that if you are working as a dishwasher and decide to become a game developer You need to make a game about washing dishes. No Right what you know for me, you know, that's a jump ahead. Yeah You draw personal experiences. So for me, um, one of my biggest, uh, my first big break at Bethesda was uh, we're on 2006 When we started I was driving one. I was tasked with creating the dark brotherhood, which is the assassin skill Um, and I I wanted to sort of leverage the experience I had At at looking glass studios working on the thief games And thief is about sneaking around and you know in stealing stuff I want to sneak around and see if he has stealing stuff in it. Um, I thought that thank you I thought to myself, how could what was that? What was that inclusion that went nowhere? I was about to ask you guys Why did he just like he sounded like he's about to go somewhere and then he talked about thief for a bit That's how emil talks. That's that's the whole 40 minute presentation is just like random tangents And then never later in this video is going to go It's not full of random tangents all these things lead to somewhere But he clearly he didn't think so because he decided to cut part of it out also Yeah, I'm gonna say he's a power point is to keep you on track if emils butchering his speech He is butchering that butchering like we are getting the cuts are not helping this I'm getting about lost. Um It's confusing on its own the way he's edited it has made it even more confusing. Absolutely I'm curious if he's going to include the clip You know an evil assassin's guild To my own personal experiences. It's like, I don't know what this is but I do know I know the catholic I You know, I don't know much about an assassin's guild, but I do know the catholic church Those filthy papists are up to it again. That's an interesting. Oh, but I'm absolutely the one I'm absolutely the one that brings up the emils catholic for no reason sure Hmm I'm sorry, it's just so funny to be like dark brotherhood catholics, you know You know Every single stream that I've ever done where that clip played the chat loved it. Yeah, because funny Dude, that's that's not too far away from being like, you know, I have to design this alien race I'm familiar with the vietnamese like you can't say that That's fucked up and like I said, some youtubers can fall into these traps I admire that catholic confidence Is actually keep it simple stupid Maybe you kept it a little too simple there, buddy connections to the dark brother Evil take no that that's a point. Oh, no, he's gonna make the point. Sorry My third point the longest plane. No, he cut it out. Wow No, go back to the catholic church. I didn't say that was really entertaining What he was gonna explain was how the the holy trinity is tied to the dark brotherhood with sys sithis and the dark The night mother and all that and he completely cut he cut that out. No fucking shot, dude Wow, you know, I wanted to hear that that actually was probably gonna be better than anything in this shitty We haven't even gotten to him ripping into you guys for the lies that you've told as well. It's crazy Great games are played and not me So this is they I get the sentiment, but they do have to be made it. So I was gonna say I understand exactly what he's saying But this is a quote that I hate the quotes like this. I hate Great play not That's almost like one of those like no, this is obviously retarded. You must mean something completely different Yeah, because he's gonna start talking about the value of playing it as you're developing it And you know like you mean playing it as you're making it Oh, oh, is that what that is that what he means by this quote because I actually don't understand I assume he's saying that the devs need to be able to play and enjoy it as they're developing it so that they know Yeah, I'm Thinking that I testing is part of making a game though. So I don't you know what's part of making a game making a game In the context playing the game is making the game the game is the design He is badly trying to explain the iterative process. That's the full context. Why would that See that quote just doesn't capture it as far as I'm concerned now a real rare might say for his power point games The game design is an iterative process But if you're emil you say great games are played not made That's what he's looking for right is like catchy little quotes to be like ha ha see look how catchy and cute these are These quotes are but let's go back to the catholic church, right? Yeah If you really want people to understand you don't use parables you retard just tell them what it is Once and so I said let him finish instead of speculating on what he's gonna say This is a quote and a design title for point three of how to write So don't make this the quote make it something else and also this is the fifth time that i'm seeing this talk and who the fuck like Who does like why would you want it to be a quote that only makes sense when you give context to it? Yeah, one of the What that only makes sense once you explain it then there's something wrong there Because I feel like all the great famous quotes of history You know it doesn't require like a speech or someone to like in real time explain to you what the quote Really means You know It'll be I understand what you mean in this it can be that Elaboration is super cool and helpful. Yeah, but the quote stands on its own especially if it's meant to be one two three These are the things that you remember I don't know because yeah, like this quote on its face is just like bizarre to me Well, he's picked up a new one. He's picked up a new one since then he has on his desk written It is what it is I find more value in that than I do in this one and I was actually going to say as well like You know, like we're hard play hard. I feel like that would probably capture what he's going to try and say better than this Like um the because a lot of people say and like you gotta you gotta let him explain it's like guys We're not ending the stream in a few minutes. Okay. We gotta be for a long Let's clap everybody. This is why I always like assume this like we've got some new people and that's just wonderful Welcome, but they are happy that you were here. We are thrilled. We're covering everything. I'm like a chunk out of your Your day We're gonna give you a perspective on this slogan before it's given context and after it's given context Not even just one of them both of them And that's assuming this video gives him the context because he's been cutting around a lot So i'm not actually sure what he's gonna do Yeah, he's he's he's What you should pick up is that he started this point of listing them out at like three minutes And we're 15 minutes now into the presentation We're also totally not it's only not a half into the video and i'm just saying all right Not been a great experience so far. I'm not hooked This is a point for the studio. This is one of our models at the studio, but it has several we have many models. Um It just works studio wide level Great games are played not made Means that we use the iterative process I told you literally like every fucking game I practically know this by heart The iterative process meaning that we have a thing and then we test it and then we make another thing based on what we learned from the thing We didn't use the test and we just coded it to see what happened I need to control my anger because we're so fucking early, but like it's the most normal fucking thing You could ever have for making a video game This is the key to the success of Bethesda. We play the game We make changes and then we play them and then we make changes and then we play it We innovate This is like profound Bethesda innovation The thing is you joke, but that's absolutely how they do it and that informs a lot of why their games are the way It's not I assume it's the funny isn't that they do it. The funny is that they think that's worth mentioning We play our games like wow The funny is also when they realize they have a huge fucking problem and do nothing about it Which I was into in this section in the actual speech. Oh my god, really Yeah, wow Why would you say that? Why would you say that? I think there's maybe that's just a sort of confidence that Selling the selling these games as much as they've sold Maybe it just makes you really over confident that you can just say anything about them That was there. Oh, yeah everything we make is gold That was Zarek's point in his video on this was that Emil has is insulated to outside opinions And so he's only ever been told that he writes masterpiece after masterpiece So that's why he has so much big dick energy about this My mom says I'm a very pretty boy and I look one. I'm very handsome Well, it is kind of amusing to be like, do you want to know how to write a game that has a story like full out four? You're like, uh Well Wow, Emil. Wow. Oh boy. He's like make sure you already play the games you're making. You're like, yeah Yep Hmm. We are very We are actually out of state now In the development of the studio. We don't have a lot of extensive design documentation. We found that Probably after we hit Follow three the design docs that we had became outdated very quickly Because we knew we needed to get stuff in the game and follow them So That's the thing this is going to get complicated because I want to share like How I feel about quotes like this and then you guys are going to be like, oh it gets way worse or the oh, you know Exactly what but but like just go hearing hearing what he says there. I'm just like they should never be A complete out dating of any kind of prep that you make for a game at fundamental level For example, when they were making like um doom or quake They're going to be like, okay, uh, the the the the fundamental uh art design We want to have here is a combination of like uh medieval plus lovecraft plus like a sci-fi Marines type thing. Keep those in mind whenever you're building anything. There's not supposed to be a time where you go That's been outdated. Sorry delete. You'd be like, what? It means so your original concept was really bad or you just didn't stick with it Which is like, what's the point of having it again? It's what I want to preface is just just that there's not supposed to be a 100 Outdating of all documents. I could understand how some would be but not all So it's not terribly uncommon for design documentation to be outdated because they'll just find stuff along the way That's more fun than their original idea Yeah, so that's fine on its own But throughout part of the process you do have to keep that documentation up to date until you're in Um, the book i'm currently reading says until you're in alpha You should keep your documentation up to date which was about the development of world of warcraft which had a couple players One or two three million Yeah peaked peaked at 12 million concurrent accounts, but but like, um, I don't think they know what's up Feels weird to hear him say this and not be like You know, obviously we have like a fundamental design doc that includes some of the the big things They're going to be relevant to like all aspects But there are elements that will change so much as we progress That uh, we you know, we don't keep them As close to heart as you might imagine compared to smaller teams making smaller games or something like that Um, and this speech seems like the perfect time to do it But again, I'm just talking from uh having heard clips being chopped up in this video to prove context for what i'm about to hear later Which is still really weird. You think these context clips would come in after we hear the lies not before Yes, but here's what emil really said Remember the nuance of everything that he's saying because it will be relevant later. I hope you took notes I have for him because there it will be on the test And change it we needed to iterate on it So we would have these extensive 50 page design documents that were completely outdated Completely I completely have been I have been told by a few game developers that 50 barely scratches the surface But I also would argue there's no fucking way that they are completely out of date Yeah If the design doc says that you're making an rpg does that get outdated Like at some point in time anymore. It's a fucking q l l a s a p rpg, which is very different Well, it's gonna say it would require them to actually make rpgs, which they haven't done in a decade. Oh my god Okay, and don't play the role you play the role of the Of master chief Yeah, someone someone in chat has measured like any potential exaggerations like is that not the kind of thing you need to avoid exaggeration Yeah in a speech like this about if you just fucking explained it at any point Well, when you're telling everybody how we design things going forward And then you say like we we have a design Fundamentals list of documentation that gets thrown out at some point because we iterate so hard all of it Everything about it to make fallout 3. I will remind you It's just I don't know It's just a speech. Isn't the speech about design It's just a speech Well, it's not a speech. It's not a speech. It's a presentation There is a difference. I'm gonna say this there's a there's a power point presentation He did prep for this oh and remember this isn't a game developers conference I don't know why you wouldn't want to be it's not supposed to be uh persuasive Why would you not want to be precise here instead of you know, like wishy-washy If I was a naive young aspiring game developer and I heard oh We don't do a lot of design documentation because it gets out there really fast and I'd be like well What the fuck is even the point? Well, my boss or you'd be writing getting a notepad Design documents are a waste of time. I was gonna say I'm gonna be honest with you My initial reactions of that honestly would be you're lying to me And you might be like well, how would you know mr. Muller you made a game And I'd be like no, I just don't believe that you don't have a consistent level of documentation to spread between the people Who are working on this thing for all kinds of reasons on a team of you know, like 100 plus people Yeah, I just don't buy it on the same page 100 plus. What are we talking about skyrim? Who knows All right, that's the broader credit. That's the broader credits of like all the localizers and stuff I think it's somewhere in like the ballpark of about a thousand Uh, yeah, I guess I could believe that Yeah, I mean at this point when it comes to triple a game development. Yeah, we are talking like thousands of people Yeah rock stars like 2,000 people I think Oh, it's oh, it's it's like every every studio of rock star and every like every single location is working on one There's no reason when it seems there's a bunch of things like it was free I'm gonna say like oh everyone's working on the rock star game. We're just all of Yeah, what did you contribute because I was just thinking like uh, because I think I think halo Three was about a hundred people at least like in the core bungee team I'm not sure about like contractors or anything, but you know the industry has changed a lot I think there's a lot more of just like, yeah, they'll be A lot a lot of contract work a lot of outsourcing bigger teams Multiple studios working on a single game. I mean fuck it. Look at call of duty now when you book a new call of duty again There's like 10 studios are the listed as well. Yeah, it reminds me of the executive producers under your average tv show Oh, yeah, where it's got like 10 15 How did so many people make such a terrible product to bring this back to wow They also didn't use a centralized design document, but they were a team of like 60 people Yeah, I imagine if you can just scoot your little your your little wheelie office chair over to Jim on the other side of the room and be like, hey, so I was thinking about that That's there's so many stories in this book Exactly that a big hammer or small hammer and he's like that is a big hammer They would talk about design at like, you know over dinner and stuff together Oh, that's sweet That is sweet. How come we don't we don't talk about design over dinner. Why don't we do that? We're gonna fix that. I'm sure that we have talked about design over dinner at least once I've probably eaten dinner on a call. We've talked about design. That's true. That's what I mean. Yeah So we probably actually have that Considering we're in episode 200 and I don't I guess this is still 70 270 part two and I have yeah had some snacks while we've been Yeah, yeah, it is wacky how much of Much of our lives have been just projected straight to the internet our opinions or everything though But it's you can't have opinions. I put it on record We spring and rack spend way more time together offline than we do online So you don't even you don't even know what we get up to what films and tv shows you've seen so many Games you played American fiction the other night really good y'all should see it. Oh, yeah Oh, oh, we got to mention it. Well, um, yeah on American fiction. I I brought this up on I think it was Uh, really see open bar. It was one of the there's too many streams at this point but um American fiction made Overt an obvious reference to e-fap's coverage of xqc. It was it was it was clear as day They must watch the show But um, I'm not even kidding when I say there is the whole film It's like satirizing a lot of social issues that are currently happening and we we give it a high recommendation You all in chat. I think would enjoy the hell out of it But there is a director in universe who is quite air-headed. Let's say silly stupid And um, our main character is having to talk to him to convince him Yeah, to do this that the other thing right like he wants him to build his story into a movie And he has to pitch it to him and during that pitch which is not really relevant to what i'm saying a a pa comes along Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold up before you do. It's actually a really good joke Do you want to just let it do you want to spoil it? Yes, are you kidding me that this is this is what gonna make people want to watch to see the film All right. All right. Um, this is only one tiny joke the film is filled with bangers Fringy, is it safe to reveal this joke do you think? Yeah, because uh This film is filled with a lot of jokes and also a lot of meaning So, you know, you should watch it. We're gondolas of whether this shirt gets spoiled Genuinely, it's one of the funnier films. I've seen in a long time. We had a lot a lot of out loud moments One of the best movies of our 2023. I would agree with that too. Um, so this this director Like I said, he's he's doing his he's rambling on and a pa comes up to him holding a can And he's about to pass it over to him because he obviously asked for it And he takes it off him and he's about to continue talking to the director and then he sort of realized he looks back He goes, why is this wet and the three of us were like, oh, oh And the pa says well condensation and then the director says, what are you a fucking weatherman? He looks at him he says never again never again It's a funny movie and it's really great everyone American fiction That motivated spine by singing the x It was unreal to see it that like they like look at how stupid this guy is. He doesn't even know what condensation is. It's like, oh my god Does he know I think you know does he know Your conviction everyone go and see it. That should be enough for the e-fap audience to go check out that film We don't even need to tell you the premise go check it out Anyway back to the back to the regular schedule of programming Emil was telling us about how to win writing. Yes And so great games are played not made means that as a studio You know, we are constantly iterating But also don't say no No, that's why you're here. And so on a personal level on a designer level. That's what it means great games are played Not made it means play your own stuff Oh Heating himself All he told us was the thing is the motto makes it worse the motto creates confusion Literally has there ever been a game of like a high caliber that was ever Developed and released without having been played by at least one of the developers. Are you kidding me? I mean, it's a famous story, but it took like a year I think they spent a year on super mario 64 just making sure that it was fun to run around and jump around in a 3d space Is mario and it's like well, how do they do that? They played the game, didn't they? They played it in verse of starfield where they discovered. Oh, this is fun I love how how many times do maps get play tested multiplayer maps just to see the balance and whether what kind of Tweak you need to make to improve the game flow will balance Well, is it not funny though that like when the quote was delivered the slogan the whatever this is was delivered That my assumption was the meaning was we play our games And then we developed further forward and it was like is that all it's gonna be that's all he said We play our games. It's like good for you, man May part was a wrench in it where you're like, what why would you say? What You play it and then you go back and then you make changes you make changes Make is the present tense of made is is past tense Yeah, make changes and then you play it. So great games are played and made Well, it's just are made It's a little bit pretentious. It's like, you know, great stories aren't written. They are created. They're red Yeah What do you stop? Why are you saying that? And of course, this is particularly funny when he is a rider Well, yeah and I don't know like as a as a sort of like did you you could just make fun of him for this You'd be like so fallout 76. Did you fucking play that before you released it? He'd be like Why are you saying that so dismissively? You're like, oh, I don't know that 76 isn't played. It's Experience. Yeah, that game wasn't created. It was molded. You're like, why are you playing it? But as a rider, so let's so how do you look at this with stories, right? Great games are played not made Played that's the key word, right? Did that make you wonder for a second there if he looked back me like, what the fuck did I mean by this? I feel like when he said that he looked back to see like is played like the biggest word on that So that before I say it's the key word. I actually visually make sure that it is the most important word on there But as a rider, so let's so the key word is are Look at this with stories, right? Great games are played not made Play that's the key word This doesn't feel like he's kind of freestyling right now. He's like fuck. I don't have much for this He's making sure I think he's played the every game developer is a storyteller in an interactive medium Okay, you are not writing a screenplay You're not writing a novel You're writing not really the kind of the last of us people that Oh How do you You just didn't understand it the reason she spit her at the end was because of what she'd been through it makes sense Yeah, revenge bad. Yeah, I'm sorry for my opinion. You better be Put it in the bad. Sorry my my interpretation. It was bad. So it was an interpretation The fiction that has um an important interactive component Why is this screen cut away? Why did he cut that out? That's a point later in the video That's a point in like 10 minutes if you ignore the fact that the person who made this video butchered this If you treat that as the original cut that is so fucking funny like You're writing a piece of fiction It is to look at the screen an important interactive component opens up this guy and then when we start Sick what the fuck was that? How did that picture get in here? It's like a picture that should be on a milk carton for someone that's missing Anyway, if anyone of you sees uh sees one, uh, please let him know that we miss him very much and we'd like to Like um That was will shen and he generally looks uh nervous in all of his pictures It's genuinely it didn't matter who it was. It was just so funny to be like Here's this new image now. Anyway What well especially because this is relevant in 10 minutes Well, I mean you've already pointed this out as as we have but like formatting wise You should have just fucking opened with the false statements and then been like I dug into this and here's what he actually said It's the most straightforward way to do this Because this as it stands right now you're sort of like why am I here? Well, I don't even know what's going on anymore and eventually he's gonna introduce you guys as you know Are we just here to are we just here to make fun of a mill? Why would you do this? Do you want to I thought you were defending him? Well, uh, I don't know There are people who've made videos on this but like isn't the first even five minutes of your video the most important as a youtuber Like it's the yeah First like 10 seconds. Yeah the first time it's like how you hook people what you get interested in by So um, yeah, I don't know When I start working with the team we start big like, you know, we always want to do this So we always want to like the great american novel. Oh, he said it. Okay, so let's say okay. We're gonna like wait. Well, no Okay You cut out a lot of times of him repeating the words great american novel, but I don't Uh, is that like a meme for him? Yeah He says he explains it so awkwardly But he says the words great american novel like five or six times in a short span of time I am like oddly in favor of people having the aspirations to write the great american novel I I don't mind if that's a I think it's I think it's good to aspire to be great Well, I think the problem with that is that we have been told explicitly to keep it simple stupid Yeah, the problem is that novels are not interactive which he says but Yeah, you go you go you go to like open the book. So that's interaction What about he's gonna make a point he's gonna make a point that uh, he's he's not awkward when he explains this stuff And uh, it it totally makes sense. I don't know why you're saying he's going off on all these tangents Well, meanwhile, he's cutting out like fucking 15 minutes of this guy just going off on tangents I'm gonna be clear honest with you the way that he's chopped this Outright like makes me think that he's ruining, uh The original speakers sort of intentions and clarity, but the for all I know it could be made even worse by Rating the original I had to do this in my skyrim video. It was specifically this section I cut out all the us and repetitive statements and stuff. It's hard to Get his points concise when you edit it down, but it is possible and this is not it Yeah, well, yeah, okay. Well, this is worse like this is worse than if you just watch the talk Well, we've been over the this formatting is not even a good choice anyway I can't imagine like people who are fully in favor of this video's points so far If we could pause them at this point and be like, what have you taken in so far? I have probably like me and just skip this stuff Well, there's that but there's also like the you you'd be like well so far I've learned that this this guy knows what he's talking about as a writer Does this video have the heat map at the bottom? How many people are skipping this? I don't know. Can you see that? Uh, I cannot see it I cannot see it on the there's a link in the uh in the discord chat that uh, let's see But I feel like if we would see it we would see like a valley like you see those valleys With oh, yeah sponsorships. I think the video is still too new for that. Maybe Doesn't show up for me I I really am curious how many people are like skipping this stuff because I feel like if you did watch it You think it's a shit post I I still wouldn't go that far myself. I'm still far away from No, I still think this is just incompetence. Yeah bad Video making. Yeah It's gonna be this thing And on every page Will be written Comedy and tragedy and it'll be wonderful. It'll be amazing And you're gonna give this book this great american novel to the player and what are they gonna do with it? They're gonna rip out every page and make paper airplanes out of them And they're gonna throw them around the room and they're not gonna see your story I genuinely don't think about I need him to explain for the what he made that hits like a like a ton of bricks Yeah, like it almost feels like how come Gamers aren't engaging with my story the way I want them to there's like, I don't know. I feel like that's Like Just like the story isn't consumed in the way that you'd like because people play around I was my best Read of it is the idea that because it's interactive they can engage with it on their own terms Yeah, that's something you go to account for with design Yeah, you gotta let him cook. He's a master chef Okay Let's see his explanation. Yeah Because the story is there, right? They are gonna spend 30 hours making shacks Okay, yeah, we're gonna spend 20 hours. Well, that's not not engaging with the story. Okay It is interesting that he did say it is it is interesting that he says this like as if it is a non-story when like he said Not incorrectly Everybody who's contributing to the game Programmers artists designers or all in some sense creating a story with what they do That there is a story like a sort of gameplay story in Doing these activities that aren't directly connected to cut scenes or dialogue Um, but I understand the point that you don't have control over the pacing of that experience Especially if it's an open world game where people can go off and do whatever they want for uh But I don't even know if I would describe that as tearing out the pages and making pages. No, absolutely not. That's what I was gonna say It's like I'm setting the book down. I'm gonna go You know fuck around with this other shit right now and then I'll go back to reading the book Well, not even that it's it would be like an open world game is that they can skip ahead They can jump really far ahead in the book and read other portions of it or uh Or they can put down that book and then pick up a book that's next to it. That's like the Uh appendix or the um, you know what it means that's close to it I would I would describe it as uh Reading a passage putting down the book and then like sketching a character that was described Like it's still relevant to the book what you're doing, but it's not Well, that's for sure as far as I'm concerned is depending on how you design your game This is not a problem as much as it is an opportunity Uh, we have players I feel like ragnarok funnily enough is one of the most interesting cases of trying to solve this problem Along with other games of course, but like there would have been a time where it would just been like We have story and then we have bonus quests and we're not going to put story in the bonus quest They know that if they engage in them that means they're not going to get story for a while They're going to get gameplay maybe like, you know Oh, this person needs this thing go get it and you have to do a bunch of things you get in the rule And this is like can that happen at any point in the story? Yes Therefore it doesn't interrupt, but it also doesn't provide you any story Um, it's funny that the chat mentions that it the problem is that the team added Chat building and that's his problem. Who the fuck do you think leads this team? It's fucking emmels project Well, this would mean that this is not akin to tearing out the pages and flying around like a fucking paper airplane when you have Because this was super notable in the dlc for ragnaroks. Like how do we get Story paste correctly versus story that's like in particular places. Can we is there any solution to that? It's like they drip feed Promptable dialogue and mora unlocks depending on how far into the game you are And then you have like random flavor dialogue in general And so they you know, you try and they're finding ways as games develop over time to solve the problem Of gamers doing whatever the fuck they want to do engaging in quests failing the quests that sort of thing Well, also trying to make you feel like the story is progressing at a steady pace and um What he's what he's addressing here just seems to me like yeah This is a problem. They've been trying to solve forever and there's loads of different ways you can try But like This comes across as a complaint that why would why would character? Why would players want to build shacks for 30 hours instead of engaging with the story and characters that I wrote for them Yeah A little bit like why if your story was so captivating you think that it might draw attention away from the shack building Until after they complete the quest Yeah, yeah, because I just I like I I can't remember a time in fallout or Elder scrolls where I was like I just I just have to see what happens next I just have to see what happens in these characters next like this this incredible narrative of like man I just can't wait to to see what happens next. I don't want any distractions I can't go over here and do this dungeon or look at this bobble head or pick up this duct tape I've got I've got to engage with the story Well, that's a feel that feels to me like highlight in the nature of the deal that lots of games are making with the game When they go off and make a fucking shack for 10 hours, they know they're not getting story and that's okay That's like I accept that I know what's happening here at the same time the reverse of that could be in Valhalla, for example You're like I really want to fucking know what tier and kratos are going to say about the events of like You know the past games But I actually have to beat tear to be able to access that And so like it's like that frustration almost like I can't fuck but that's more of a regular one The flavor dialogue I was talking about is just like character interactions that are generally considered story progression But at the same time could be completely missed and don't damage the story That's one of the solutions I was trying to get out But it's so weird to see this contextualized is almost like you write an amazing story But it's destroyed by gamers interests and doing random shit. Like that's not true I wonder if he's going to include like He's eventually going to get around to saying that it's okay But he describes it as a jagged pill that players are going to play it In a way that he doesn't I think he's he's brushing with saying that they're playing the game wrong. Um, obviously that's my interpretation It sounds like you say that Riding for clear games sounds like he's saying that gameplay is Fundamentally at odds with delivering a story to a person as opposed to something that you have to it's a problem to solve It's not a problem that's destroyed like in and of itself Well, so I'd also consider the fact that just just the fact that he describes the things that players build as shacks When Fallout 4 does give you a lot of different things to build and make and do in a range And he just like yeah, it's part of the main quest. Yeah, there's literally a part of the main quest where you build stuff Yeah, it's very dismissive the kind of insulting the the the guy who's writing is basically Shacks, um But it just comes across as like, yeah, they just want to build shacks I'm like, wow I also feel like it's undermining the average game is point of view too. You know, uh, if they were like, oh god Look at the big boss. He's captured Girl over there and he's about to kill her go get in there Hero man and then you open your inventory and you're like, hmm I think I want to keep you know shotgun I want to put pistol there blah blah blah and the amount of time it takes to organize your inventory It's not like you're thinking about how this has destroyed the story now. This is absolutely ridiculous I wouldn't spend half an hour sitting here thinking about my inventory when he just told me that my girlfriend's about to die to the evil Dinosaur you just like no That's just not how people approach games at all Yeah, um We're talking more about what emil has to say than what never has to say You're like, he's gonna start talking to me again and he's gonna be like, oh, fuck. It's this fucking british guy Yeah, go back to the funny man on the stage I wait for okay Honestly, I prefer emil because of the fact that we could just talk about game design stuff Yeah I'm telling you this is actually a decent A decent thing to stream. I've streamed it kurtosis has streamed it because there's a lot of stuff that you can build off Of while talking about it as much as you're probably completely right We are not only stocked up. We've got two e-fap episodes that have been recorded and are ready to release We've got an e-fap episode stocked up so hard. We're recording one tomorrow. We're gonna be a live stream actually um So the idea that we'd throw another one on when I think I have eight Ready to go in terms of videos we want to cover and what people we've chosen out for guests as well We could always put it on the list Yeah, I don't know It's worth thinking about especially if you can pull some other Bethesda folks in because uh, they can talk about it too Yes, I mean this really is this this really is like a core part of the Bethesda Bethesda discourse because of how Fascinating it is to listen to emil talk. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so far from what I've seen and heard of this Even alone in this video. This is like gasoline soaked kindling for conversation start. Oh, yeah We because we do dabble. We've had plenty of gaming episodes of e-fap that are always uh You know that we got some gamers, you know, you know chat who are thirsty for such things. I'm sure they're very happy today in fact In fact tomorrow's e-fap will also be about gaming somewhat We know that going in that's that's the the jagged pill that we swallow I said it do this Because again great games are played not made and a story in a video game is an interactive thing And so we know that so we post some skeletons call it a day Like genuinely the take I got away from that was him being like is that good enough? Did I tie that in? Yeah, I think so which is really weird for a prepared presentation Well, that is the point he's gonna make is that it's it seems poorly prepared And it was probably like just quickly put together But at the same time it's like so that's his problem. Yeah, that would be his problem He could have done it. He could have done another presentation He could have done the interview that I offered to do and and clarified all this stuff He could have done anything to explain what the fuck he was talking about if he did a poor job here How long is this original thing? Do you say it was 40 minutes 40 minutes 40 41 minutes Dude, all right Not made and a story in a video game is an interactive thing And so we know that and we're comfortable with that because a true mark of being a What the fuck Wow, we skip Not only we hyperskipped But it's funny seeing somewhere surface because it automatically triggers me into the whole like the amount of times You'll see this shit pop up on youtube shorts. It's an actual joke at this point I didn't realize we put it in as a joke for our soca coverage One of our episodes we just put on subway servers in the efab chat Section this is an example. The show was so boring. We need something else It's like it actually is a thing. It's not just a meme like people need subway To continue watching a video Developer is as every developer knows is waiting to come in right And then reading the reviews Of course and hopefully if you get lucky ignoring the reviews, right? Thank you very much guys There's a strange image for ignoring reviews Knowing review. Is it like the the insistent that it Now to me if i'm reading into this a little bit. It's like fuck the reviews. We're making so much money Yeah, that's that's the implication I get it's like when you want to go with someone else Yes Less of a fucking asshole Just a little bit which also unfortunately means How good people take this poorly That's the end of his speech, which means British man's coming back soon, right? Yeah, he's coming back brace yourself to get chat So what did you think I hated it? Honestly very unimpressed and I feel like you've made him sound worse than he probably sounded with the cuts You probably should have just told us to go watch it ourselves Yeah, we could have made a better straight. Yeah Thanks for the stream idea. What you realize with how you solve the problems You're like so by playing him out of context and in pieces You've made me confused and kind of annoyed at a lot of his positions It's like so solution play the whole thing. It's like problem That's way too much video without getting to my points like what's your point that cretosis and patrician tv have kind of lied to you And it's like well then fucking get to that. Why the hell are we still here? This is 15 minutes in you haven't gotten to that yet. He's trying to filter the audience. Okay. Hmm Are you still on that? All right as this will be referenced continuously from here on out Oh god, I'll do a quick summary that I think is in good faith and is completely Then why did you play the clips if you're gonna know what the point of the clip is? When emil was asked to give this speech he thought about his writing process And came up with three rules he finds useful Yeah, and from what you showed me it looks like they were very haphazardly put together Almost like he was told to come up with three and he did that and was like And then especially on the explanation of the third one. He was almost like saying things and then being like, uh, that makes sense. Yeah Yeah, we'll go with that and it's like, oh, that's a bit awkward for someone who's such a seasoned writer And that was what your video did to my impression of emil So what where are we going from here? You know keep it I do love I do love that we have people that aren't familiar with this discourse because I think it helps a lot to get an outside perspective I'm almost completely out of the loop on this one Good which he explains as being about having a single strong central theme in a story Right what you know what he said. Is that what he said what he that's what he said I remember that that was one of the lines that he said I thought he implied multiple things like a couple It's completely factual When emil was asked to give us how about this how about this? You do this bullshit summary and then you play the examples that back up why you why it's good faith Don't fucking bombard us with fucking five minutes of emil paglia rulo talking because that's flashbang and then Give us your good faith interpretation Hitting process and came up with three rules he finds useful Keep it simple stupid, which he explains as being about having a single strong central theme in a story Write what you know see but there's so much more to say, you know Like as an incomplete like senate Turning a into what? Oh well Which he explains as drawing from personal experience in your writing where he gives an example And he says here personal experience because later he's gonna drop that personal part to explain why firsthand experiences aren't personal experiences What what the fuck? Oh, yeah Well, the problem with all of this is that um when you say something like i'm gonna draw from my catholic experiences to Create the dark brotherhood You really need a lot of explanation for you get by that like if i'm gonna You know generate a faction in space called the gligs and i'm like i'm drawing on my typing kindergarten You're like what are you like? No, no, no, trust me This little makes sense Like i feel like you've made this harder to understand by giving me that information Even in the full speech it kind of comes across that way though because he he mentions how syphus and the night mother are the evil versions of god and the virgin mary and he just Kind of moves on we don't know what that means. I was about to say explain it I think a lot of this Only makes you ask more questions and to be honest with you when you go to 40 minute speech That is the time to make things very clear. You got plenty of time to do it Full of working on the thief series and growing up catholic when designing the dark brotherhood And lastly great that's one way to put that's one way to put that part If only we knew what the fuck he meant by that This is what i mean You're giving so much space and like i guess you know good faith interpretation to someone who should be really good at this And they they had so much time too It's um and it's amazing how much you cut out It's not made a company-wide motto at first about the importance of iteration and play testing and creating games Which was especially cringe. He just said he just said the iterative process. I don't think he said play testing I also don't think he said it was important in general rather than it's something we do As opposed to the reality, which is every single developer does this Well, it is their um their company motto. I think they don't even know what their motto But if he explains the motto to mean we play the games we make it's like yeah, everyone does That's what I mean like you need you're gonna give me more than this Oh, it's an iterative process. Oh, yeah, what does that mean? It means that we play it and then we notice stuff and then we change it based on that stuff and then we play the game Wow, oh someone's writing this down. This is no This is not something you just assume before Bethesda showed up on the scene you should write for mark brown Emil then also says he applies this as a writer by making sure to remember that you are writing for an interactive medium Which is different to non interactive mediums That's a very charitable way of interpreting that interactive mediums are different than non interactive medium I agree British man. You left out the whole resentment Left out the whole resentment angle that you guys picked up on despite not knowing him He gives a light-hearted analogy of just because writers want to write the next great american novel Doesn't mean players will comply and might instead make paper airplanes out of the pages That's not really an analogy. It didn't make sense. That's not an analogy What's funny is that uh before that wasn't comparing things that was just saying these two things are different Before explaining his position like I said, I included the potential interpretation that they're going to tear into your story They're going to be like this doesn't make sense. This is like no, that wasn't a part of it at all He just said that people go off and craft stuff In between story points and I guess that's the equivalent of taking your pages out of the book and turning them into paper airplanes That doesn't seem that doesn't seem right at all does it just doing whatever they feel like Therefore, don't forget about player freedom when writing Of course, they don't leave out don't leave out the jagged pill part Things said in this speech it is over 40 minutes long A lot of it is about fallout 4 or providing other examples of these three rules. Wait, is that the hunt? It might be the hunt. Yeah Wow, now I kind of want to see the speech that fucking movie is banger That is an insanely good movie. Well, he's bringing it up because mads mickelson is from denmark Oh Oh You know what? You guys That is that is rags his way of saying he's immensely disappointed. That's the correct response In my summary, I focused on the rules rather than fallout 4 because these days for negativity focuses on ammo himself More than fallout 4 No, no, no, no, no, you should have done that because fallout 4 is just the example of the application of the rules And so it's not really relevant Well these if you give me like honest perspectives like what do you think of these rules? I feel like man I don't think these rules are useful like you need something more specific than this if you're gonna help anybody with writing Well, imagine being as under leaning hearing this shit repeated at you at meetings Yeah, I don't like you you know, how am I supposed to make this scenario occur when we've got these rules and this Will building and this thing happened before and this player needs to go here. It's like, how do I solve that? You go keep it simple Okay As for that negativity. Oh god, I mentioned this when I was watching it the first time. Why would you full screen blur? I feel like my he's making my stigmatism worse Well, this is because we can see something is about to be revealed this anticipation now. We're like, oh boy What's this gonna be? Yeah, just inspiring video makers. Don't do this. It's a bad idea We'll get to it soon and I am sorry for this slow introduction, but you Thank you for it's all better That makes you know it's a while because seriously not accepted Aspiring video makers don't take 17 fucking minutes to get to the flash of your fucking video. Holy moly We're not even there. Yeah. We're not even there. It's necessary Anyway, I don't I don't know. Why is it necessary? I seriously this must be in the video Oh Makes me think like Because uh, one of the things when I was making the unbridled videos. I was like I think I was devising sort of like intros I was like, what do I need to say it's like one you're in for a long video two You're in for swearing three. I'm gonna go through every single scene four and then I eventually was like, I don't Fuck this. I'm just gonna start like what's the they'll they'll figure that out as they go along I'm one of the more common comments I get that are always like kind of fun and have encouraged me to continue doing the method that I do is people being like I clicked this assuming it was a 10 minute video and then after a half an hour I realized the film hadn't the video hadn't ended. Yeah, this is like, yeah I get told uh, I thought this was an eight minute video and it ended up being eight hours Uh, but I I mean I do the slow boil introduction stuff too, but um That tends to be more relevant I tend to talk about the meta of like The state of videos on on youtube at that time and what I've done it to Um, the unbridled videos were weird and sort of different But as someone just highlighted you did a really long intro with the clips from Futurama and Buffy for the Ahsoka review Uh, you can do a long lead in if it's good So take it from me and I think I was with Theo and capital opinions watching the premiere Even my own fans were pissed off with me for taking so long before I got to Ahsoka Just check the like if you guys rewatch that video have the live chat open People were getting super angry that I hadn't talked about star wars in 10 minutes Let's just look intro intros are hard, but like this ain't it especially this point is like Providing evidence and fact checking and shit. All of this should be later in the video when it's relevant Hey rags, did you have a nice poop? Um, I Yeah, it went all right. Um, how has uh, has a meal said anything funny while I was going? No, we're purely back to the british man He's been explaining to us why everything is so long and he still hasn't gotten to anything yet That's that's that's gonna be a future efap But if you want to watch it, it's like stag number three and one of my oblivion streams I don't I don't want to ruin it for myself I want to I want to go into a live stream and let it I want it to just yeah, I want it raw I want to just wash all over me hashtag team trap Well, we've gotten so much material out of it. It's like a gold mine Especially with the context of he's a really shitty writer By the way, some people in chat are saying like, oh, I love that lead up to the asoka video Do you know there was gonna be a third section? It was gonna be about hannah and bly manna that was all Prepared but that um by the time I'd written out the buffy and few trauma ones I was like, this is too long people are gonna get mad and people did get mad just for those two When you say hannah bly manna, I thought about hannah montana Was the asoka video the 45 ish minute one? Yes, my shortest video in a long time star wars Can't grow up. Yeah. Yeah, I do like that video. Oh, thank you Yeah, it's all right. Anyway, now that you've heard the most infamous speech in the entire history of game development And once again, we see as he's bringing it back. I never said that Kratosis says he's never said that not to speak for you If he I fully believe if you were in this call right now, he'd be like, I'm not saying you said that I'm saying that you treat this speech like it's the most important fucking thing and that you've drawn every last point of your Like perspective. No, I treat it like it's fucking relevant. Which is yeah, that's fair Well, to be honest with you, man, like I have to listen to him talk about a fucking his writing approach in a prepared speech I'm not exactly filled with confidence. I'd be like, hmm. Yeah, like of course we're upset. What the fuck you just listen to the guy talk And then you gave us a summary that we had to like sort of clarify Yeah, based off of the information we just had Like if you give us information and then you clarify it or give us a summary of it And then we have issues with your summary like remember We're we got it fresh in our minds. You just showed it to us The bold time to lie. What did you think? I hated your section, but I love to talk That was funny Disappointing if I would just genuine perspective on this isolated from everything just the things I heard from that as a writer And writing advice. I'm generally triggered by writing advice. You you'll you'll understand this the more you watch eFAP There's not much writing advice I find to be like definitive rules that I find satisfying oftentimes they are A best rule of thumb and the the thing I would add on to them that I would want them to add on It's like don't break this rule unless you understand why it's a rule in the first place that sort of thing But um a general foundational rule of writing is like they they better be fucking good And the the three I just got presented with don't fill me with confidence like I said What I was told I have family members who teach writing professionally what I was told was When you're in college, you learn the fundamental rules of writing so that in your professional experience, you know What rules you can and can't break because there are no rules the rules are made up Pretty much. There's only advice It's um when someone says like make your main character courageous You're like, okay, but what if I don't want to make him courageous like yeah Yeah, do you understand why someone would tell you that as like a basic advice? And then if you say like well because you want him to be endearing to the audience You wanted to have qualities that big people feel You know somewhat invested in his actions If you start with someone Yeah, who is if you start with someone who's cowardly passive and lame then people might not care about what he's gonna get up to in life So if you're gonna do that make sure you understand you need to bring in something else to get people attached And at that point you're like so really I could make him anything and you're like, yeah We're just trying to warn you like about how audiences work basically Though we do stick to the whole rule of try to make things coherent Don't tell me x is something and then tell me it's not something otherwise. I can't actually start getting Well, I was about to say start getting invested. I can't start anything If the whole thing is contradictory, I guess Does this man need to be fired and should That's kind of funny. It's like from that speech. Do you think you should be fired? I'm like Wow I guess I wouldn't fight for their philosophy But like the the problem is that philosophy is going to result in if I if I were hiring writers and that's what he pitched me I'd be like, that's okay, buddy. I'm going to try someone else Yeah, why did he present the context like that? It he came up with this weird narrative of the way that he wanted to frame this video And so he was obligated to include this talk as evidence for why emel isn't a bad guy But it's this talk this talk is like fucking famous in their community Yeah, I mean, this is not great evidence for him being a good writer It's certainly it's horrific evidence. If you're trying to say he's good at giving presentations I think I don't think he should just be fired. I think he should be fucking executed and I'll respond to that And now you're gonna get another video made by this guy being like today. I've heard some awful awful things Trigger warning this video discusses threats of violence I hope you're sitting if not against our king. Please have someone with you in case you faint Emel if you're watching this, but yeah like objection relevancy. I've never said he should be fired And I don't think I have Don't know that it should be not okay to say that I I feel like if someone Here right now said he should be fired. I'd be like I mean, that's a good that's a valid interpretation You know if you feel that way and you believe that is the righteous thing to have happened as a result of his writing abilities It's like that's that's your opinion. I guess I just said the word And and youtubers feel justified in harassing and hating him. Ah, there we go Sorry that you're a public figure who makes like so I think it needs to be said because it's sort of the underlying basis for a lot of this stuff Emel is not my friend Emel is a person who works for a corporation that's selling me a product And also I pay money for that product harassment is uh asking people to retweet your post on discord That's harassment. It's it's cringe. I'd agree, but I don't think it's harassment If I'm to be as nice as possible I don't even think I can qualify it this way But if if someone would said like call him a big ugly loser everyone retweet this I'd be like, that's not very nice. And so I said is that harassment? I'd be like Maybe probably not worth calling that harassment because that word is quite significant But it might qualify by some definition Interpretation from the actual like legal term and how it's used but like what what I've been struck by already Is this this screenshot is filled with different accounts And if all of them are saying similar things Not even the same thing similar things. Does that count as harassment? Like what I don't know man like if If I put out a tweet saying like man, I just watched um, you know oppenheimer and There's too many women in it I just fucking hate how many women there are That I get loads of people say like what the hell is wrong with you like what movie did you watch? I can't they'd be like well, so this is harassment, but I'd be curious how this man I guess bullying dog piling being mean I think dog piling is a more accurate term not the nick. Well, so harassment has connotations. It is a crime Yeah, that's well, that's why they think they often use the word it sounds a lot more serious And so I'd rather pull it out when we need to dog piling feels more appropriate Um, because again, I think it makes people think about whether or not it's Would I use the word justified? That's the complicated part, right? Because if someone For example, uh, someone makes a youtube video about um, Emil Pajumbo And he's actually just some swedish guy working at Tesco's or whatever the equivalent is And he gets all this stuff and he had nothing to do with anything We'd be like that's that's horribly unjustified. Why are you picking on Pajumbo? And it's like always we fucked up the surname. That's why and it's like, oh, that's that's terrible Um, which again, it feels like the creator of this video feels that that's the case if Emil Pagliar Rulo Made the worst game ever that involved let's just say heinous elements of story That everyone thought were disgusting. Would that then would this wouldn't be harassment anymore? You just want justified? I don't know. This is why he doesn't want to include the game because I think that you can If you spend 70 fucking dollars go to a guy's public twitter post and say I don't think your game is good Yeah, but if you did that alongside a hundred other people and now you've engaged in harassment That's not it one. It's just dog piling but two like that's just part of releasing something. Yeah, you get more traffic That's what you get more traffic around the time that it releases. That's just well So the strategy for instance by this definition. I think I'm I'm going on a limb here, but I think all five of us are harassed on a daily basis Yes, I've been harassed because of this video Well, that's kind of what I'm gonna the day I release any video I get harassed by this same metric and I'd rather that we don't consider it that way If I get a hundred unrelated accounts all saying fuck you your videos are too long and you You hate women that sort of thing I just feel like well, I mean none of them know what I do So whatever as opposed to excuse me. I'm being harassed like no What's funny is that you have got comments saying that your videos are too long and you hate women And the fact that they have put them in that order is really funny Another thing I want to draw attention to is that he doesn't censor anybody's names. This is going to be very relevant later This is hundreds of thousands of views on this video. This is encouragement to harass these people Yeah, you better watch out Lloyd Christmas. We're coming for you I mean like one of these comments is I don't get why they give him one of the lead roles when he said himself Players don't care for the story. Which is just untrue like really that's harassment Like I feel like if you have to scrape the bottom of the pit to get that That's what I mean, right like I just don't believe you this comes across as desperate Well, and he's always also pitching it is just firing when several of these people are putting it in terms of demotion We are not only familiar with many people telling us to die Many people having threads saying they need to be removed But we have like individual people like movie bob advocating for our actual like You know eugenic level destruction from the gene pool All of these things put together. We're still like, yeah This is just people being mad because we have opinions. Well, uh, that's the funny part too. Someone asked me to bring it up Emil doesn't give a shit Oh, well, if he doesn't even give a supposed to tweet in chat right now. He has no fucking clue about any of this Oh, yeah, we can read the do you want to you want to read it out? I'll yes, I will I will read it out You have to say it in his voice though. Oh fuck off Ben trying to wrap my head around the fact that there are youtube videos about me both pro and con Yeah, I know mostly con for the record never seen any of them don't intend to not exactly great for one's mental health But also folks I ain't that important Smiley face you gotta read there's a smiley face. Yeah smiley face Um, there's another one where he he thinks this whole thing is about an audio interview What do you say he thinks whole thing? Do you mean like what the general? Yeah, the general like the general clapback Uh, he thinks he says, ah, yes audio interview where I said we don't write up a giant design document for the whole game Before we start so he doesn't even know that he's in trouble for the presentation He thinks that it's an audio interview Which I thought was wild and then I realized there is an audio interview that I've cited in my videos before where he it's the one where he says that Um, he basically says that they leave it up to modders to do some stuff That is the oblivion five-year anniversary Bethesda podcast episode I have to ask does that include bug fixes? I need an answer for this. He doesn't specify bug fixes. He's in the context He's talking about like thief and um, like uh, the blackjack and all those Yeah, that's what I mean. He said that like modders are going to drive safe. You just see Yeah, he said the modders are going to add that stuff anyway. So there's no point in them adding that stuff Um, I've included it a few times as like in my uh, oblivion and skyrim video I legitimately think he thinks that's what he's in trouble for is that interview I mean he doesn't even know He doesn't even know about like that. We're talking about this presentation But then again, that is assuming that this isn't just like no, I'm not mad guys for real. I'm not mad at all Yeah, I mean he was coping and seething a bit but like I think that was like in the face of just people talking directly about him, which you know, you're allowed to Express dissatisfaction with the way that people are talking about you. I won't criticize you The thread the one that asman gold was looking at what was what was that in summary? Uh long one out of 15 funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development And yet they speak with complete authority. So basically he was talking about like uh, he was advocating for credentialism And how if you don't make games you shouldn't comment on how they're made Um, but people will so you know Like even if even if that was a good point, which I don't think is like the there's like a thing that children You can't convince people not to do it Like you're never going to be able to convince people not to have a perspective on things that they're not experts in um, because I mean it doesn't even They're going to have an opinion and that opinion matters Of course it does you're selling games to people who most of them aren't going to know how video games are made But their opinions on your games still matter Well, he doesn't know how videos are made well He probably knows how power points are made Brand of mine was working on Becoming a game developer One time I was sleeping over and he passed me his laptop and he was like you should try this and it was like You know type in a couple of things and then you can make your character jump And he was like then you can make this and it does this you can make this and does this from code to thing And like if I met how much of that do I have to do before my opinion is allowed? Yeah, who was that a judge of us you were sufficiently Enlightened to have a perspective on this topic. That was that was my response at the time was um Credentialism doesn't work because I don't say every video the level of experience that I have uh With indie game dev if I've ever made anything or I don't talk about the books I read or the presentations I watch I mean you don't know the level of education that a person has and you shouldn't assume that they're just uneducated unless they're wrong But you have to prove they're wrong Again, you can move past that completely because when a chef makes a meal for people most of them aren't professional chefs But their opinion matters because they're paying for that And they're gonna have an opinion on it like regardless of whatever their level of experiences or not Same goes for uh, if you get someone to do construction Like even if you don't know how to build anything or you get your car You know, you expect that that car is gonna work even if you don't know how it works You can't you can't convince people to not have an opinion on things that they're paying for Yeah, and Well, it goes because Other than that too um Shad has recently been uh embroiled in a drama between him and another sword tuber. I'm showing my Lack of knowledge on here because I'm pretty sure they have more Specific group names than that But uh the sword tuber he was responding to I saw a clip where the guy said If you're not regularly practicing like swords Your duels and stuff like that you have no fucking right to be talking about like what swords are good and bad and shad said No, the most important thing is that you're fucking right and I was like, hey That is actually true. Yeah, it's not really about like the idea that Imagine like the greatest swordsman of all time and then he got into like a horrific accident where he lost both of his arms It's like well now you can't talk about swords ever again, bud. It's like, uh, I don't think that's true actually um, you know and I just I think it's brutal that he made this whole video and then a day later the guy who was defending said Yeah, I didn't phase me at all. I don't know what the fuck you guys are arguing about Yeah, but again, I ain't convinced that smiley face, you know Yeah Another post where he was like smugly drinking a cup of coffee and being like just updating my design documentation because we have that guy Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, so he is big man. That is me. Yeah But he doesn't know what the fuck it's about Hey, you know what big man is just human nature That's all right, I just find it funny the smiley face you'd be better off if you didn't put that in You're smiling when you put that in that is that is the face of fury the smiling face Oh I think it would be better if it was the upside down smiley face Well, I think laughing has replaced smiling, which is the uh, the sense of like, oh, you're having some fun I understand the smiling is just so passive aggressive. It's evolved into something else now especially, I mean the backwards smiley face is uh It's so funny the dimensions of these fucking emojis Wait, what is this? Green movie's a scene not made Why are you laughing? I watched the footage. I think this is true. This is true. Praise me. Christopher Stuckstein Well, he's got the red hair too like I'm telling you there's wisdom in those logs. Good god. We have so much video And I'm like a meal he is gained Don't worry if you don't have an answer quite yet. There are many more arguments to come and more evidence I didn't I couldn't figure that out running looking at the right time here those arguments Keep in mind the context He the point he's making right now is he's no he's talking about his like time as a baby And this was the fucking redhead baby image that he found time as a baby Well, okay, he's gonna mention that but like he has this whole anecdote about why he's here And like how his parents went on vacation to Denmark without him. And so that's why he went to Denmark Okay This was a Is Don't make fun of them. They're just different you're doing their best. Do you have a prescription for the melatonin? event The speech might even have been hastily written Hey But also that sounds like he's saying yeah, the speech is a little wonky If he fucked it up, why didn't he do another one when it was better prepared That's what I would do human nature that you'd you'd mess up your speech a little bit But these sorts of events Because they help smaller game devs Okay, god, how mean do I want to be you know like the whole help smaller game devs Like people say that about mark brown all the time and whenever we watch his videos and he's like press a to jump We're like How much is that actually helping people really? I don't know man like and and just watching his speech His speech of about writing and his three rules that are so fucking vague that the only help This is the this is that thing It's applicable to some other stuff But when someone says like oh he helped me so much and then you have them explain it And it was all of their work their insight their interpretation It had almost nothing to do with the speaker. Yeah, you're like mark brown Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like why are you giving it to them? That was you that was all you Yeah, you were the hero all along actually this time Working and having a bigger name speaker helps attract. I need someone to tell me like all well and good Why is it relevant? I need someone to tell me with no sense of irony that gadelb inspired them to become a better game dev and I'd be like Obviously like oh so much of it made so much sense to me like mm-hmm attract people to them Emil is also not a professional public speaker Dude, he's a fucking boss. That's okay But what's the point of saying this to me? At least the point this sounds like excuses and it's like wait Why are you making excuses for a guy that you were presenting to me as having made cogent coherent and specific points? Why are you now telling me? Hey, man? He was underprepared. He was he was not ready to tell you He's just a goofy guy. Okay little goober I could forgive the awkward like public speaking thing if he at least wrote his speech So it wasn't shit. Yeah, you could write. I'm not I'm not even a power point Listen to make a power point awkward like ums and ars gaps and weird analogies that don't quite grasp what he's saying But that he had like a fundamental thing that he clearly understood He's just walking around it a bit because he's a bit awkward as a speaker like that would be one thing What I got from this was just like Like that was my whole feeling from the whole speech like telling me he's like, oh, but he's not really that prepared I was like, what do you want me to do with this that ignore it job to be prepared? Are you telling me that this is how he does his meetings too because that might explain why the games are the way they are Why are you the way that you are? He just starts talking about the catholic church in the middle of like a fucking design meeting And I was designing the Emil this is the fourth week in a row. You've brought up the catholic church Listen the great dragon gorgolash is based after Jesus Todd is Todd is God and fall out for is the Holy Spirit and I'm Jesus No, just leave it Todd is God He is a game developer. So this is not something he has much experience in He's no, he's a fucking lead designer that means he does meetings. He does meeting You know what this reminds me of is uh, the inside story video about uh, no man's sky And it was he puts in about how shulmari was not ready for it not experienced for it But at the same time the damage was done and he had to make up for it You know, I mean, also this doesn't excuse the substance of what he was saying. No Well, what I'm getting at though that is the the same things were said about shulmari But in the context of how much work he did to make up for his mistakes Like oh, he wasn't ready for this. He was he had he had little time to plan He had to make promises based on like other deals. He had made just like, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Fine. I understand all of that But these things still happened It's like, okay, so the more substance well, and he's still flat out lied about multiplayer Oh a lot of lies were told right but yeah I recommend that video by the way check it out the uh, I think it's called the ingudening of no man's sky Which is at this point completely outdated because the amount of shit they've added since then which is kind of crazy to think about And many people find public speaking difficult that I don't even I don't care our problem isn't with his awkwardness of anything. No, that's what makes me kind of like just want to ruffle his hair And say, oh you I can't believe that Do you have a look at you? Am I here in Copenhagen? I don't do this. I don't speak. I prefer to stay in my office and make games Okay, I'm probably not this I mean, that is why are you giving us 10,000 excuses? What do you think is still good faith? Very first thing. Yes. I do. I still do think that this I don't I don't sense a trap from this No, I mean he said that this is good faith Like I'm not even coming at it from the trap angle. He said this summary is in good faith Well, it's so weird that he spent so much of it saying it like trying to explain his his shittiness It is strange Because I wouldn't think about that until like he really wanted to focus on how shitty he was of a public speaker. Yeah, it wasn't now I'm thinking about it. Yeah, I wasn't even targeting his like awkwardness. I was just going for the yeah the weight. Yeah No, he like he literally like brings out points I'm a bundle of nervous energy. So try to use that uh, yeah, that's normal It's normal to be nervous in front of a whole audience trying to present your ideas to and that's not what he's being criticized for No You go on a stage in front of a whole room full of danes and see how nervous you are Yeah, we're all we're speaking right in front of 4 000 people. How do you like we feel? That was my whole point was that what he it's like saying that oh, I just tripped and slipped inside your wife like He got a passport. He got on a plane. He went to a european country and he gave a talk Like there's so many levels of like he should have you don't say this stuff accidentally He wasn't drunk at a bar being surreptitiously recorded I think accidentally made a 40 minute presentation I think what's the most important here is that he had enough prep time to write down his points of view And that's what we got out of it. Yeah, it takes like fucking eight hours to cross the atlantic Yeah As far as i'm aware This is not helping it But as far as i'm aware all of like season four of mad lorry was written on a plane ride from john faveral Something I remember You know, I just believe it. I believe it. Yeah, I believe it each had an enormous impact This is what turned the world against emil It's a bit dramatic. No, I think this incant conjunction with fallout four I think you might be on the money there people well, okay So that's the thing if you showed me this and then said this guy wrote mom. I'd be like, oh You know, you're like why you say that it's like well because mom is written like shit So it kind of lines up and you'd be like, oh, so this is the speech that killed his career. You're like In conjunction with seeing the that whole fallout four thing. Yeah, probably that's why I included in my analysis That's why he's not including it in his In his argument That's why he's not included in his documentation because the second you include fallout four and fallout 76 in starfield It's fucking over for emil Pardon sir. I slipped inside your wife's speech 100 They came shrewd work This was what caused negative comments about emil to go from there but rare to being Oh, that's that's a silly way to like categorize that But I mean at the same time What a shock that his contributions to like a public statement would lead to more interactions with him publicly Like yeah, because all that happened is now it's pad Also, this isn't even dissatisfaction with the writing with the guy who you know wrote it This isn't even negative or positive. That's just searches for his name Yeah, which again makes sense if it got around I guess instead it was majority negative. Well Going on his word. Yes, but at the same time. I don't that's not surprising. This is not a good performance Is it it's not that the speech itself the speech If the speech existed everybody's like wow, that's weird the writing is so amazing I don't know why you would have said that like that's not what happened It would have been the other way around that the speech is like, oh damn that explains a lot about how crap the writing is every my guess anyway everywhere But that didn't happen right away. Okay. Yeah, that's how Well, yeah, we still haven't gotten to Made aware of this speech in Copenhagen. I had to learn about it from someone We gotta introduce the villains of the story soon. Okay. I mean, I mean, that's the thing Oh, okay. Yeah, we go on. This was first uploaded and then posted to our full out The response was mild. We've so he's already fucked this up This is one month after joseph anderson's fall four video that featured this presentation Hmm. Okay one might argue That a joseph fucking anderson video might have a little more coverage than a 163 pointed reddit post It only got like 12 million views. Oh, so not even not even 13 million views Just a 12 we know more than anyone else that joseph anderson video can do incredible damage to it I've inclined to agree. Yes. That is the thing we know can happen Um, well, that that's what I said was what's more likely that I found out from joseph anderson Who I have cited in my videos or that I found out from a fucking reddit post look at the points That's the thing that's really distracting me 163 That's not that much I feel like that that exposure is just not very much at all I mean granted seven years ago, but still With 165 upvotes and 172 comments As for those which is small Mm-hmm. I mean hang on. Let me check the like I'm pretty sure that wouldn't hit. I would not hit r slash all Yeah, because the it would say Fallout subreddit the unofficial molar subreddit. They've got let's just like 12 hours ago Daisy Ridley shuts down reporter calling star ones fan star was fan sexist, which by the way is pretty cool Uh, that's got 505 upvotes Unlike my subreddit. I say my subreddit. It's really not but like the the subreddit that covers the stuff that we do On e-fab or all my stuff is is like considered very small very very low exposure The idea that like a 170 I don't know that just seems weird that we would be citing this as like High exposure in any way shape. No, this is totally how we found out about it. Hmm Comments they were mixed. I live in downtown go through some starting at Gluganslarst or wherever it was The first is about Hayo Miyazaki. Why the fuck do I care what some random guy on reddit has to say about this fucking talk? Bro, you know, it's reddit is simultaneously the most worthless and yet also the most important place on the internet Just to clarify you're saying this about zeke freak The man himself. I apologize. I apologize Zeke freak. Zeke freak. Hmm You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say it could be zaky frack or something like that. Who knows? So yeah, just saying don't disrespect Lucky's face shows Wait, is this an actual thing that happened? Is this in this in the talk? Yes. Yes. You probably did you mean it ironically? Like you probably don't recognize now. No Okay, I probably wouldn't recognize him based on justice face. That's also that you say Yeah, I was gonna say that's also i'm surprised fringy hasn't said anything yet Fringy, what is your opinion on this that are happening on zeke freak? Typically this here that we've got on screen this here. Yes. Yeah Jam I know Miyazaki that not personally but like I know his work and stuff, but I don't know his physical appearance Probably like I couldn't spot him in a line. I feel like he's a very iconic kind of character. You know, he's got a very iconic look If you if you showed you know the beam of him will be uh The him leaning back in the chair with the cigarette like that's a pretty common thing If you showed me a picture of him, I would probably go. Oh, yeah I've seen him before many times But if you were to say here are six old asian dudes, which one is Hey, yeah, hi yo Miyazaki I'd be like I don't know man. I understand. It's it's one image and it's in the middle of a presentation. You'd recognize If you're gonna recognize Yeah, yeah, I know him. Yeah. Yeah, I know him. Yeah But if you were to say if you were if you were to show me that picture and say name this man I'd be like, I don't know but showing me the picture and telling me, you know, that's hey Miyazaki, I'm like, oh, yeah, I've seen some of his movies. Yeah, I know what you're talking about Fair enough Yeah, you guys just scratched the surface on emulisms. There's like Emulisms The next is a summary. Well Oh, I'm not gonna read all that the next is positive about emuls rules and negative about how they apply to Very interesting. I know the meta on youtube is to read reddit posts, but I think this is next level He's not even reading the posts Yeah He's telling us about a reddit post that happened seven fucking years ago So this is the thing when you tell me like you need to understand the context of a seven-year-old reddit post with less than 200 Upvotes, I'd be like, hmm And this is gonna explain why everyone hates a man like that Do you remember the boogie doc? There was like two parts and it had thousands of upvotes and millions of video adaptations I'm not even using that word lightly like that that's what it took to bring him down and bring some level of awareness to the thing The idea that one reddit thread with less than 200 upvotes. I'm just like, how relevant is this thing really gonna be? I don't know Is it relevant enough to justify spending time on? We are nearing 20 minutes into this video. Do I care what za chomp thinks? I I dare you I'm fucking dare you man. Like the chomp is my god. They chomp is my favorite. He's in chat right now Probably there is the chomp's Like no offense, but these are red these are reddit guys that you know, they're fucking talking about less than human Under time after work. He probably wrote this on his break like Yes, I This video is very fucking strange. We haven't even gotten to his parts about you guys yet Yeah, you know undeniably you guys's videos have more reach than this reddit thread That's just basic numbers. So I'm surprised we've spent so much time here But they're all gonna be relevant. I'm sure The next is also several people are claiming to be za chomp in in chat. We don't believe them Fucking heritage. How dare you? I am za chomp And so is the next the next is deleted the next is why did you even thank you? All right That there is a comment the likes of which we have no idea and by including it in this list You're implying that it was like a negative comment. You don't fucking know. It's deleted you asshole To be fair, this is a great like how not to make a video video. I would say yeah Don't follow any of the structure in this and you'll be okay. Let's have a second talking about some guys deleted reddit posts It's speculating leaders will start a shit show The next is actually negative about him or roles at least to keep it simple stupid The next says far harbour which is full out force dlc was better than the base game The next is someone laughing and saying okay many on the subreddit This is such a waste of fucking time I don't care it's a documentary about people's opinions on emerald Isn't that what you wanted to watch before bed seven years ago with 30 plus upvotes, man This is fuel that many on this sub were waiting for I don't even know necessarily what that means Why are we focusing on this? Well, I don't find it funny as well because it's like, you know, the writing advice was keep it simple stupid And it's like well clearly you disagree with that Holy shit, this is long And like it's me entering why are we looking at There is like uh, some kind of like when it comes if you I hate to say this if you want to destroy someone You don't make a video that's longer than half an hour Like you you go straight for the jugular those like like how you do it if you really want even if you're lying He's burying the lead on us. I think it's the deal Like like making it so that all the people who might be interested or defensive of you are gone by the time they Yeah, well because like who the fuck would want to watch this right, but I also It hurts the brain I can tell your brain is here. I can hear it What it is is if this was a focused takedown of me, I would be in the title I'd be in the thumbnail, right? He doesn't want to do that. Well, I mean, I am in the thumbnail. He shows my video's thumbnail But it's not straightforward that this is a takedown, right? So I think he's burying the lead on what the actual purpose of the video is by Wasting our fucking time listening to em all and reading random reddit posts from seven almost eight years ago because this was in February of 2017 so You know, I will say that Miyazaki picture is becoming more and more relevant than what we watched Yeah, it makes me want to take up smoking I had to get some coke earlier It's okay a cola. We've all been there Yes, so on overall it's a mix of responses, but most of the negativity. Holy shit a mix of responses Yeah, I was about to say you could have said that but even that would be unnecessary He's like, mm-hmm. Do we need to know what the guy who wrote has 11 upvotes? Do we need to read that? Do we need to know what deleted said? Okay? Elosiper of his age Let's read it out deleted comments. Let's do it. Those are my favorite comments The thing I take away from this is that they wrote the whole story without taking into consideration The fact that it's supposed to be a role-playing game It sounds like they wrote a fallout themed book and then haphazardly shoved it into the game Am I the only one who thought the story felt tacked on? This is harassment All of their games it seems like the story is tacked on to the mediocre gameplay. I was gonna say this doesn't sound new That's a nice opinion, but uh Nice opinion make a big make a big world. Nice harassment to what you should play and tack on a story to it Then boom you have made a Bethesda game Well, it is funny how he says Fallout themed but like this doesn't specify what game he's talking about And you were like which you know, it would be if you ignore the seven years ago It's like what game is this criticism off you'd be like How well this is aged as a comment. Yeah, it applies to both fallout three and four really fucking well The kit the I deleted up there The account has been deleted ever since Well, I'm not forgotten. I'll never know what I think he doesn't get is that um You know reddit frequently goes through like protest waves where people will delete their entire comment history So there's entire parts of this discourse that he's missing out on Yeah, and he doesn't even like you trust that well if you're never knows best You can just present a deleted comment and assume it agrees with the point you're making Which isn't at all like something that makes me hate you. Um Well, whatever goalie has of presenting particular things to me is not working at all because i'm completely Overwashed by the sense of just what the fuck are you doing? What is this section stop? I'm overwhelmed by the fucking editing So we've got side scrolling comments that i'm supposed to read and then the top the top to bottom scroll That's blurred out, but the the background keeps repeating over and over like What the fuck is this edit like three? Yeah, we're like three layers into what am I supposed to pause and read And the fucking drop shadow Well, what's nuts is that I can as as I imagine freeing in rags can sense where we're going which is the Look at the discourse on a meal progress over the course of history And look at how these people specifically are responsible Because because people mostly normal reasonable things people said regarding a meal's poor performance Because millions of people did not immediately exclaim that they hated this at the start. It's not justified that people Complain about it. But after the fact Yeah, p you can't just you can't just look at patterns of behavior and have your opinion change over time based on those patterns That would be ridiculous I suppose an interesting comparison because we alluded to it earlier is that um I looked at joseph addison's comment section on a soma video and selected several many people with higher votes saying Thank goodness. You made this video because I was gonna buy it, but now I won't I like showed them and was like this sucks Like that that was the straightforward sort of connection, you know Video advises people not to buy the game. They don't sales are lower The game has no respect that the developers think it was a mistake. They make amnesia rebirth Obviously that was the narrative that developed further on which is especially fucking sad But this this is so distant and strange and abstract and lacking of all kinds of context that we can't even begin to understand Why the fuck this is here competing you guys's videos. That's the craziest part. It's just it's just objection relevance Yeah, why are we admitting all this into the evidence? This hurts brain Let him talk let him cook We've been letting him cook for a while A lot of people a lot of people would be talking about their fucking patreons by now in a lot of the videos Just say it like i'm trying to boil water Part two on nebula. Yeah Part two on nebula patreon and you know what rig that fucking bell You like that's all right. Don't forget to like it. It's a public service. That's why he's not doing that Public on fool out for public men rather than emil himself Incredibles Oh Oh, yeah, right. This was 2017. It wouldn't be out. Okay. Okay. It's just going out the good one But we have no idea Like guessing what he must be talking about based off of his powerpoint is more interesting than the never knows best video Why not if you're going to include a random clip of emil talking Why wouldn't you include one that we've already seen so that we're not like distracted by the picture of the incredibles on the screen Well, because now my my imagination is running it's like is he referencing because he's like families or Structure of like the hero's journey involved in a wider story or something. Oh, I don't know one seems to think this speech is that shocking and That gap was pretty funny not gonna lie all right No, anyone lines up with your own thoughts about the speech and so This speech the most infamous speech in the entire history of game Okay, so he added the word entire to his to his whole spiel He wasn't saying entire before but also we didn't say that, you know, anyways I always thought he was going to say the most evil speech in the history And I was like, wait a second Be this is the worst thing to happen in Denmark This speech was an inspired full out 76, so I'm gonna really get worse than that. I don't know This is the worst uninvited guest in Norwegian history Yeah, I mean like so it flew under the radar and was found later like no shit This is where at this point. I am actually like get to the fucking point We've been here for 20 minutes And two I told you go speed it up Yeah, well, so we are coming close to as far as I'm aware the time stamp in which he actually addresses the reddit thread When reddit user yeah, we're hearing none made a post titled until Bethesda. One thing I wanted to say Locates Emil Pagliarillo do not expect quality storylines ever again. Yes. It is that bad. Damn See now this one's got 8.4k It's most significant And at last after all this boring introduction that I guess at last You made it boring. You didn't have to be boring. You know when it makes the fucking video It's your job to have it not be boring. You could literally skip to here fired I like that past never knows best is being judged by present never knows That was boring just thinking this this is a mistake. I shouldn't have done this I Maybe at this point I would allow I have to wonder how many people have like made take downs like this and just quit halfway through Because they realized it was stupid That happens a lot more than you'd think Um, there are a couple of because you mentioned the commentary community If you take 20 minutes to get to any kind of juice people are not watching it. Let's just know Oh, no, the the commentary community would brutalize this fucking guy It is boring and well the fact is like we on eFab will take in any and all he could have done this for 2000 years And we might have watched it. I'm just saying but because there's so there's so much you can learn from like, um, Uh, uh, I was about to say filmmaking a video making point of view of like the amount of choices that they have made up to this point And like I still even this far into the video. I'm still convinced this is incompetence But maybe I'll change my mind Because we've seen so much incompetence that does exactly this Exactly On and short in as much as I can but I can't work miracles You could have just not included it I wouldn't have called it a fucking miracle bro Don't bring in the supernatural, you just suck The introduction is over and we have made it to the start Jesus, he's he's like you can't simultaneously be Why are you dragging it out? You can't be fully aware of how much you've delayed us to then delay us talking about those delays That's insane. You have a fucking you have a fucking paragraph where every sentence is the same So at this point if thea was here he'd be that guy in the hobo episode of south park who kills himself like 10,000 times Over and over again is just screaming with the blood pouring out of him Honestly, I think he's might be asleep because if he had caught wind of this he would have been Fucking raging in chat Fucking Of unhinged Unhinged a reasonable so right is this the part we can skip? Um, there's one part I want him to say in about 15 seconds. Okay All right, we can do that In an ideal world You would have watched the entirety of emil's speech And then you would take the time to read the entirety of this reddit post Because I don't think there is any so what's crazy What's crazy is I think he could easily have summarized the important elements of both the speech and the reddit post in 20 minutes easily Yes, or you refer to the emil's speech as being something terrible and awful And then you show how reasonable it actually is as the counter examples to the claims made But that would be like somewhat clever and interesting. I guess it was executed well Yeah, anything I can say that will accurately communicate just what a drastically Uncharitable and inaccurate representation of emil's speech this post is okay Which is funny because the guy himself has been saying that it was an uncharitable and inaccurate interpretation of his post A flying man He had to go out of his way to like white out the part of the context of these clips That's kind of weird. You know, that's that's pretty that's some people suss right there Why wouldn't you just highlight the relevant parts? Why would you cut out the context? Yeah Sometimes I think people genuinely do that on accident without realizing how much it like undermines their own position But you know, I assume you're not going that direction All right, uh, we can we can jump ahead to the next uh, the the next interesting part Oh, thank goodness, which is going to be cretosis's part, correct No, it's seven minutes. Oh I Wait, so do you want me to go to twin or do you want to move it? I'll jump it ahead wait doge Things like that. Oh, well, this was over seven years ago. I'm sure they've grown up I'm sure they've grown up You haven't you haven't shown how it. Oh, yeah, by the way immature By the way, we skipped this guy's name He says he says that he's like uh, he thinks he was a child at the time But he doesn't censor his name, but we're getting to the juicy part And I was going to say rags. We skipped seven ish minutes So he may have made a very compelling argument for why he is a child Take it in good faith If I'm skipping what is this? So guys, I hate to reveal this to you But we're actually we're actually watching a video that is two hours and 17 18 minutes long And we've made it as far as 27 so far and that's We gotta skip the reddit post because it's not relevant to our sections at all I do think I need to say here, though That if anyone who watches this video goes on to harass any of the people that I am going to talk about In my name or otherwise, I will ban you Don't ask how I will know don't ask whoever that is. Don't ask how I'll know Each one you treat it is I am making this video in large parts. Maybe you'll learn about it in seven years This is this to me is a no-brainer. Of course. Don't harass unfortunately You've defined harass as being involved with a couple of other people possibly Even as many as a hundred of expressing your dismay towards someone who's created something that you think is shit No, this is like and I want to emphasize I want to emphasize this is 27 minutes into the video after he's just spent seven minutes Criticizing this guy's name without censoring it and it's just some guy on reddit. It's not a public figure No, you are absolutely correct. Why is this not the beginning of the video if you wanted this said? That's what commentary channels do they always upfront say don't go harass the people that are featured in this video Most people say that yeah, that's a that's a standing rule one for eFap You know just the the thing about it is to me though. This doesn't make sense coming from him because of how he defined harassment Yeah, his examples of harassment are Fucking pathetic Like if I was very convinced by this video and sent a tweet to patrician tv's twitter saying I think you should should have your youtube channel. I think you should retire from youtube I think that you make videos that are inaccurate and they cause damage and then rags does the same Fringy does the same and a hundred plus people from chat do the same. Oops. We've done harassment now And we all did it in the name of never knows that's a good opinion Well, you know some people might think it's a good opinion But yes to emphasize 27 minutes To clarify don't harass oh and as per usual we we often mention this but the anybody who wants to Like actually harass a person. They're probably not going to be stopped by the youtuber saying hey, don't do that Like anyone gonna ban you from my comments Yeah, anyone who like does asshole behavior online the law like it's so funny to imagine this person being an absolute piece of Shit, and then they see Never knows best say hey Don't do that or i'll ban you and they go oh shit. Okay. You got me. Yeah, it's like am i in the visual imagery Or i'm in vade poland was like just saying that isn't gonna stop him if that's how committed they are If he's that passionate It's like for harassment and dog piling Do not be part of the problem You but you're that but you're you're the thing but you're the thing you're doing the thing you're showing the But Anyway, are there additional highlights we need to check out on the reddit post pot or Um, there's a part where he says people in the comments suddenly disagree with the reddit post It's not really relevant. We can go ahead to the cretosis, which is 42 37 Oh boy, finally, we'll discover how you lied to us today You know Against humanity. Yeah, this is where we get to the port of evap because we've learned the catholic church All right, we've learned about them. So Breitosis you are on trial today. We'll discover the nature of your personal morality And whether or not you deserve to go to prison Oh clearly I do Oh, wow, it's the expert witness You're really on the fucking stand now, buddy A flying nuns reddit post was hugely influential and entirely inaccurate I feel like I want to avoid using the word hugely Always I feel like that's a word. I never want to use. Why is that a bad word? Bigly Hugely just sounds like one of those words that you say. Do you have a problem with largely? badly Largely is It's a little better, but even then I feel like it's just an agit. It's just it's just an adjective providing It can't hurt me, but I still feel like Hugely is one of those words that you just don't say get away with chungously Oh, no chungously is is is phenomenal That's that is the word of that is a true patrician to your word. All right That is not a that's not something just making that is not cringe. That is based in the plebeian ghettos of Um Copenhagen that isn't a word that you're gonna hear spoken hostile We need metal to uh translate all these words, you know copenhagen. That's not even real. Let's be honest It has cope in the name. There's a lot of coping. Yeah going on here Copenhagen. Yeah, it sounds like having cope in another language. Yeah, copenhagen You're having cope. Luckily. Have a get chungously Luckily, however, the source material was still out there So it should have only been a matter of time until someone came along I do I do love this narrative that he's posted of like you see Everyone was lying. So all it took was someone to watch the source and the source he presented to us was so fucking embarrassing I can go to the source and look at the comments on it. Yeah, this is seven years ago His his elder scroll stuff was early 2021. So at any point he could have done this four ml Okay, so the the first big comment on this That goes back six years The big comment in short if you want to become a great writer listen to all of his advice and do the exact opposite Yeah, okay, wait. Whoa. Whoa rags. He didn't watch it that guy. Okay Let's let's go with a different six years ago. That was six. That was six years ago, right? That's post-run it post. Yeah, so this is seven years ago. Love how he explains the dialogue They saw a problem with players wanting to skip it But didn't see the problem that it completely limits any choice and consequence beyond saying something sarcastic That guy was biased. Have you got any others harassment? That's true I mean, I I get there's someone from like five six years ago I got a really scroll to get a seven years ago comment four years Five years seven years ago. Take to heart everyone if he can do it. Anyone can do it Well that guy's lying I I understand the fact-checking as I guess the theme of this video Yeah, I'm doing a bit of fact-checking here and it sounds like Sounds like uh, no one knows best is just lying to make it very clear for anyone listening right now That the suggestion is that if you listen to the original speech the original presentation Then you'll get a very strong and understandable perspective on what is is point of view on writing is and that everyone else has twisted it However, there's some comments here from seven years ago plus that seemed pretty critical Why why the fuck did we spend so long listening to random comments on reddit when he could have shown the youtube comments? Well, because no no no no, we're not gonna do no No, we're not gonna do that that would be that would be Catastrophic to the point we are not gonna do that Or at least address some of the most common mistakes And someone did come along A self-styled Bethesda expert Mr. Cretosis, are you a self-styled Bethesda expert? I have never fucking claimed to be an expert about anything in my life But he said self-styled so a greenhorn An apprentice you sure you've never said you are the guy for Bethesda stuff Nope, not even the biggest channel that talks about Bethesda shockingly Lies name one channel that's bigger than you that talks about Bethesda stuff patrician tv Oh Who is this patrician tv? Who is this who's you made him up get him out of here Whose most popular videos focus on explaining why other youtubers are wrong about their opinion on fallout. Oh, what a fucking framing already What is this? See This is one I hear all the fucking time. I'm sure you're not shocked to hear that But yes, I'm told that I tell other people what their opinions should be or that their opinions are wrong or whatever Well, the problem is that I get this all the time too. So just sit you're like Yeah, this is the yep. We we are very familiar with this. Did you know the call? Ifap don't let people have opinions What happened to the good faith presentation? No, I know this is this is already shit This is the thing if I hadn't seen a single video from your channel. I'd already be like, hmm. Is that is that true? Even what he's saying I think the the thing he's saying isn't bad at all He's just saying it like it's understood that it's bad to like respond to other people on the internet Yeah, it was the same self-evidently a terrible thing to do Dripping with the same like bullshit as saying something like uh, this is a channel that basically only criticizes film You'd be like, what are you saying? Why are you saying like that? Why why why you put it that way? And then if you had him like in the call, he'd be like, no No Well, and it leaves out the context of what the original argument was about anyways because wasn't many a true nerd responding to h-bomber guy Um with his follow-up three video Kinda he bring it a lot of people will frame it as a response to h-bomber guy But it seems to be a general response to negative criticism of fallout three. He only brings up h-bomber guy like Two or three times. I think Yeah, I mean it's still like why isn't many a true nerd in that case because many a true nerd thumbnail says the fallout three is Better than you think it seems like he's telling us Our opinion is wrong. What you need to understand first and foremost is whenever it's in the positive You're automatically in the plus side like you're a thumbs up good for you. It's okay to yeah We learned this with cinema sends versus cinema wins cinema wins is automatically a better man Yeah, it's okay That's cool if it's a negative opinion your opinion. I did that's how yeah That's something I learned from these videos You can say anything you want as long as you're positive about it If you say anything negative that's automatically bad because you know The most fascinating example of this to this day is the video from h-bomber guy Let me check it as well. I've said this again and again. So fucking blew my mind at the time Bloodborne h-bomber guy If I remember correctly Yeah, the video is called bloodborne is genius and here's why holy shit. We're an agreeable title. Everyone loves bloodborne excellent And i'm pretty sure it's in this video that he makes the whole shield argument that is absolutely fucking bat shit insane Like that's like the premise of the whole video. That's why bloodborne is genius bloodborne teaches you that shields are stupid And it's like what the fuck are you talking about and I remember I remember watching it with friends and being like How is this the substance for why bloodborne is genius? Well, and like most people just agree with the title and like that he's being positive when in reality He's saying Dark Souls one shouldn't be played with shields. It's like what the fuck It was a wacky time and uh, yeah That was a big realization for me about how like your title and thumbnail Can almost matter more than anything you say in the video Which isn't good by the way Yeah, which is why I don't put statements in my titles or thumbnails Because I don't want people to come to conclusions just based on that Well, it kind of supports the idea that having made a video saying Fallout 3 is better than you think everyone's like That's nice. Then saying Fallout 3 isn't better than you think you go Okay, well, I don't appreciate that. Yeah, you're a mean old mister. You look at you was it as good as I remember I am very mean Out on Emil Paglia Rullo himself Well, great. Maybe an expert is just what this situation Okay, well, I mean we already did the whole like he's not an expert thing So why is he framing it like this? Because he's gonna Present him as such and then he's gonna point out how bad Cretosis his arguments are this is gonna be great. I'm looking forward to it. Hmm. Okay But I thought we I thought we worked down with negativity No, it's different if you're an asshole if you're tearing down someone who is tearing down something that means you're doing something positive Okay, so it's like a double negative. Yes. Yeah, this is like it's like shooting a murderer. Yeah. Yeah, okay You've added to the world by removing a remover You see Cretosis has a long running stream slash podcast where he focuses on criticizing I love the slow scroll focuses on being a mean person Hey fun, man. He's doing good. He's doing more to advertise stag than Cretosis has in this stream That's true I want to do a nice scroll effect for your video instead of like using your your scroll wheel to scroll and reset scroll reset You can actually hold down the middle mouse And then you could drag the mouse down and depending on how far you drag the mouse You'll smoothly scroll at different speeds when you're in a browser Screen capture the entire page as an image and put that into your videos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah There's solutions to this problem. Are you just scroll? But he doesn't give a fuck because Cretosis isn't the main target of the video Dang Cretosis. You're just the appetizer Of a people's youtube videos. You're a true villain Why do you phrase it like that of the people's youtube videos? What is that? Yeah, commonly most of youtube videos are not my own Are not mine. Yeah Which is great because that surely means he won't have any problem with me doing the same to one of his videos Oh chill. I always love that that statement as though It's like they want to skip to the part where the look at these guys who criticize. They're not very good at taking it It's like you don't even you haven't proven that yet. We haven't even criticized us yet I'm desperate for you to say anything Honestly, yeah, I'm starting to get starting to get rid of I mean this isn't personal. Oh my god. Just get to the fucking Hey, why you just say why Cretosis is an asshole. Yes. We're ready to agree. I'm sure I'll say it myself if you fucking get on with it. I'm an asshole Get on with it. I'm just on a quest for truth and I could do with some expert opinion to help Yes, Cretosis has produced nine hours of youtube content about Emil Paglia Rillo. Okay eight That's fine. So all right It's worth part pointing out right now that this is a little bit disingenuous because uh, the video there on the side breaking down ML Paglia Rillo's writing speech Is the entire segment from uh part two of my follow up for analysis I just cut that entire thing out as a clip and uh posted it I'm gonna be honest with you buddy. If you had made if you had made a hundred hours on that speech Don't you say that at the start of that video I I do say that at the start of the video. Yes. Yeah, so it's not even he didn't even need to fact check it He Cretosis said it for him But why are we pretending like this is a this is this is almost like criticism like look how much he's focused on this It's like that's fine The right and well, he's gonna get to the part where I talked about him for 20 hours Whoa We talked about jeffy nickles for 12 hours We talked about him for 10 000 years rags, okay Hours of which I'm focused on this Can we get an objective like what's the number how many hours is appropriate to talk about something? Inverse to the person's age or something Yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know. I think it's kind of insulting to imply that you that amil isn't good enough to talk about for this amount of time Well, what if it was nine hours of veneration? If you told me that's okay. That's positive like As part of like a job I need to do that. I need to make a 50 hour video on the statement Uh, we don't play out. We we play our games. We don't make them. I could do it It's just the it might get thin at certain points But you know like there's so many interpretations and so many things you can explore with that that it's just It's just frustrating that everyone Have you ever seen it where the people are like, you know, if cretosis was in university He'd be the guy who's failed for for putting in too many words Well, I mean good thing that this is youtube and not university, huh? Where you couldn't make it as long or as short as you want. Well, I'll have you know the university is Did they put those rules in to make the videos better? No, they put those rules in to make it possible to grade papers exactly. Yeah, exactly Well, no, it gets especially funny when the people they like make super long videos and then they're like Hold on white and it's like, yeah, why don't you just like calm down Just admit that it's when when you don't like it, then it's too long Well, it's one of those blackpillen Experiences the that we get all the fucking time is, you know Mola or eFap is x or drinker, you know, or any of the people we fucking talked to They're x and you're like, how do you wait? Whoa, x that's crazy. How do you know what makes you say they're x like? I don't fucking watch this stuff That one's particularly funny. I'm not gonna watch it. They say it without any sense of like self-interspection. They're like, hello What are you? How can you say that? But it's like, yeah, that's just some of the people always say like I ain't gonna watch this fucking shit academy Cretosis is a big old meanie mr. Batman and you're like, how What am I gonna do watch all of his stuff? That's stupid What am I gonna do fact check? What was insane too was that like whenever we do coverage of let's call it like a sans synthetic man or whoever else I'm like, all right. I'll watch the newest thing or most relevant thing And then I find like a billion references to how they're a piece of shit Just like well, that was easy. It was like You watched it. Wow. That's just crazy. I wouldn't do the um You know, one of the best achievements we've ever had on eFap is that there's a subreddit called cringe Right, just straight up cringe and someone posted our Jenny Nicholson coverage there And said, uh, three guys just misogynistically rip into a girl for having an opinion and they got removed for irrelevancy The cringe subreddit determined that we were not cringe We're not cringe enough Of you well, that's what I've learned that was the one reddit is really fucking important That was the one time other than that. There's a billion reddit posts about how cringe we are Yeah, but you got one like positive one when you know, that'll just be the one we talk about. Yeah This one 40 minute speech which he talks about on stream with his friends In his full out for analysis for one hour and now in a standalone video Nothing wrong with that It is uh, follow up for analysis for one hour and now in a standalone video. It's the same thing Again, though, nothing wrong with it. Even if that were the case Well, and also there's been development with it. It's just the fact that he's trying to portray it It's two different things. I find to be disingenuous. Yeah, I get you This sounds like a lot. So let's just focus on the standalone video. All right titled breaking down Breaking down his writing speech leave it on screen for a couple more seconds just to pat it I'm noticing these these pauses between the censuses are starting to drive me a little bit mad Well, it's instant to ends and then we hang on a pause for like a couple of seconds before moving on It adds up it does, you know, when you put them all together somebody artistically pauses No, I it's you know what it's a there's a time and a place and this one isn't that time Well, listen Thank you dare I say This ladies and gentlemen is where the video should have began this moment right here Probably at the 44 minutes at the 44 minutes. This is where the fucking video has a drop shadow Why not? What did Cretosis think of this? Oh my god, you're right. Just make it full screen you asshole I don't know. Well, he's got to have room for the title. Yeah, but you could put that in the video You don't have to make that it's not even relevant. Why do we need to always ever present knowledge of the title? I don't know Mlp the person who sounds totally different and oh see he's not above putting words on the screen Because he's put in the timestamp The lead writer for Bethesda and has been since Fallout 3 Coincidentally around the time where the writing started taking a nosedive A professional writer cannot even match to keep himself on track in a speech he himself wrote and presented His entire presentation is a meandering rambling disjointed mess Not so different from the stories he writes He doesn't say anything of value for anyone interested in writing I'm inclined to agree with the sections that were presented to me by this video trying to argue that there were valuable things in that speech This is a pretty good advertisement Yeah, well so far. I mean, I mean, you guys hang around long enough. You can make a full promotion of the channel But I'm just saying I like the British man went away And he never seems to make it around to any kind of point he's trying to make Well, that sounds like an incredibly uncharitable take No That's what we're saying seven years ago when they first came out you the comments are there The insane part of this you can go there. You can see them. The comments are free. You can take them home I haven't seen I haven't seen Kratos fucking video And so i'm going off what you presented to me. Mr. Nevin knows best And you'll tell me it's disingenuous to conclude this when it's exactly what I fucking concluded Yeah, we only are going off What she said we were with him and where was the charity when he was describing his channel That's true That robba sounds like it was influenced by a certain reddit post. Oh, what? Oh, there sounds like it Bam nailed it's a bit of a jump It's fucking over Kratos. That's guilty in the other direction I can reveal the secrets of this I was aware of the reddit post. I did not look at it at all for my breakdown of the speech Now I'm picturing your brain probably heard the words reddit post and picturing A court and Kratos is on the stand and they're like mr. Kratos Did you or did you not use the reddit post as influence for your video on the subject? You go? No? See how he lies. Do you see? See how he lies so boldly in front of you This is the extent that he will argue that the reddit post is relevant to the kratos's section Yeah, don't think it gets guilty Guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty But I guess he's welcome to his opinion Well, you're welcome to make a counter-argument It doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like he's welcome. No, it doesn't sound like at all You're kind of being a passive aggressive cunt, but like, okay, I guess Let's see what specific parts of the speech Kratosis had a problem with do you like the fucking fragile British man The I've brought this up so detailed. This is this is like this is seriously Genesis for eFap the fragile wounded animal in the forest telling you about gaming I found it really funny the way you said your name. It sounded like it was difficult for him to get it out the way that Kratosis like it was like he was speaking an unholy word or something Voldemort's name or something Yeah, he was struggling to get it out. There was someone to stay informing it The shit that triggers me so fucking much when they're like I just today I'd like to talk about Something that's very important. I hate it. It's the worst voice. Is there an ink glow in the room? Why do you speak like a sniveling coward? Jess just have some fucking backbones. Stop talking like you're dying I've got to share with you. We should pull our video out of it Kratosis have you ever talked about never knows best? I don't believe so. I'm like 99% sure. I never have Thank you Fuck I was like I say Um, there's a bit the way he talks there. Uh, oh god. I hate when that happens That shit you hate it. It sucks. Well, one of the things I was gonna mention was that people said people mentioned anglo Americans are much more commonly doing this on youtube the american fucking video essays are way more of a past than the british ones So I remember what I was gonna say. I get a lot of comments about my Angry and aggressive tone in my videos, which fair enough. I do kind of go a bit hard But I kind of wonder if this like overly soft spoken way of speaking as poison people like against actual emotions Where if anyone talks as long as it's fragile the thing is is um, it was something I think I I think I read it in a tony robbins book It was something to do with like, you know, there are different kind of ways that people will connect with other people That there's visual and auditory and then I think it was kinesthetic or something But there was something in there that was interesting was the idea that there are people who were way more the tone of voice Will inform it dramatically more than what is actually said Which is kind of an interesting thing to think about that you could say some of the harshest shit ever But if you say it in a tone of voice that doesn't seem harsh Then you can get away with it. Meanwhile, you can say something pretty inoffensive in a more harsh and aggressive way and then um It's like people pick up on the harshness and aggressiveness of the manner of speaking Over whether or not the thing that was said was even that harsh at all where you could have something to be like Oh, you know I'm just I'm just the inoffensive british man and molla you are a You're a fucking piece of shit And I hate you so much. That was your fragile voice. You've got to be like Yeah, it was pretty rough Friendly freaky kills children regularly and that's horrible and I think we should I don't I don't see the relevance of you railing against his mom with that harsh tone of voice But it had to be aggressive Well, the reverse is just speaking confidently and saying like wow, you're a clown People like oh, that's gonna come up. Whoa. I mean like wow chill out calm down. You called him a clown No, he's absolutely uh, he's absolutely tone policing with this He thinks that because he does we don't speak in soft tones that uh, We're being more disrespectful or what have you This has been a bit of a curse for me in my career because I do that in my videos Not just for making sure the points come through clearly, but but also for entertainment And then people when they meet me are like wow, you're so much more chill than in your videos It's like, well, yeah, I'm not I'm not that guy 24 seven like that'll be weird That guy's a bit high maintenance, you know, like I can't always have this fucking Personality I'm usually caffeinated, but then if you have the person it's like And then you meet them in a call and they're like, hey man, and you're like, oh, I expected you to be like halfway through dying But I guess yeah, you're just fine Oh, I'm glad you're better, man. He sounds like he's on the verge of tears Ever since I know it's kind of like um, it's like what you know Puss in boots right when he does the little uh, the sad eyes after trying to kill Shrek Or he does the sad eyes right before he fights all the gods. That's like what the strategy is Yeah, this because we've all noticed it. It was with the we'll rewind it as well the way he pronounces Cretosis is he says it as though it's a difficult thing for him to do Cretosis I a certain very post but I guess he's welcome to his opinion Let's see what specific parts of the speech Cretosis had a problem Why does he do it like that? This fucker Cretosis piece of actual shit. You know, I just I just don't know what to do with you I also want to point out something quickly before we continue He says what specific parts of the speech I have a problem with And the very next clip he's going to show is to do with the intro that has nothing to do with anything Yeah, he also wasted some time rambling about how his parents came to the city He's doing the speech and on a vacation and how this country he's visiting is a place where games are made I suppose he's trying to endear himself to the audience, but it's just not necessary This is the very first piece of real criticism Cretosis presents And I would like you to pay attention to how Which is true Well, it's very I'm allowed to feel that way So this is going to be difficult now because I need to separate how I feel about what you've said Without feeling at all what this video is trying to frame you as you know, I mean something like what do I think about what you just said? I just feel like I don't know. I don't think much of it Like you there's not much like it feels more like an interesting thing. Is it would you describe it as an offhand comment? Essentially, yeah to the point where your assessment of that portion of his speech If I hadn't heard any of the speech wouldn't change anything about my opinion of what's about to come Like say, you know, you say that and then you attack something he says after it I wouldn't be thinking about that first thing you said I would just be thinking about it as a way for you to say that part was that I'm now moving on to this part Well, listen, he just has a problem with how he's starting his video. Okay Never knows best knows how to start a video and Cretosis just doesn't I should learn from the facts I'm starting to think he never knows best What? It's framed Emil does praise the city where the conference is kopenhagen and says that he's always wanted to come here because his What is this? Why rags to be fair as says says and little platoon says says I'm just more distracted by like why why are we spending any time in the video on this like oh I need to rebut the point that was made that he fucking rambles at the beginning of the speech Emil was harassed because Cretosis brought this up. Okay. I can't wait till you guys see where this is going Okay, but now I'm really excited. Let's see what else he says And when they returned he was the happiest he ever saw them He then talks about and praises some of the games made the happiest I ever saw my parents had nothing to do with me Because this is a Danish game. I want to emphasize they went on a vacation without him It was the happiest they'd ever been by his admission Wait, wait, they made what are you talking about somebody service? Was that like games he'd made in the past? Did he make is it was no, he's talking about games that are made mark. Oh a dead mark They're responsible for some ways Yeah, they're the blame On friends primarily focused on Danish video games Now I describe this as just you know, is I'm saying hello to the audience. Yes, really I didn't know that I just say by the way So the vibe we're getting here is the Cretosis makes off-hand assessment of portion. That's not relevant And then he's like, yeah, well, you know what my off-hand assessment of that portion is nicer than yours Okay Your honor relevance yet Cretosis describes this as he also waste some time rambling about how his parents came to the city He's doing the speech and on a vacation That is a perfectly reasonable It's perfectly reasonable point of view to have when you think the third thing is focused on like the fucking perspective on how to write games Yeah, I don't give a shit about Emil's parents. I don't give a shit about other games made in Denmark But this is what I mean if someone said like oh, so they can't do that. Well, you can but you I'm also entitled to say that it's irrelevant The place where games are made I suppose he's trying to endear himself to the audience, but it's just not necessary So that's true. You even like qualified. It's so so little to take issue with Cretosis Emil is wasting time rambling Trying to endear himself to the audience probably yes, as if being nice is something bad and manipulative This guy's got some demons that he's Damn What do you mean you have a problem with people being nice Yes, he's used the power of divination to find out my true feelings the fact that he's trying to be endearing is clearly a fucking insidious manipulation I was gonna say like it's like do we even bother saying straw man? It feels like a fucking cliche like That's not what he said. You said something else And all of this is just not necessary Yeah, well, thank god. We have resident Emil expert Cretosis here to decode what Emil You can wait wait wait. Have you ever said that you are the resident Emil expert? I've never claimed to be an expert about anything. Do you see how he lies? Look at him lying yet again lying Never knows best Huge like advice thing and this goes for everyone in chat. This goes for everyone on the cast You are oh the the amount of power you have to make fun of someone after you prove them wrong You got to prove them wrong first Then you can make fun of them. You can't just make fun of them You have to tear them down before you can kick them while they're on the ground All right. Yeah, you have to get them on the ground If you try to kick them on the ground while they're like standing on the second story It's not gonna work. You just end up kicking the air and looking really bad Because I think he thinks that when he said he's talking about games from Denmark That's why it's relevant. It's like that doesn't mean it's relevant It's not relevant to the speech about writing Writing, no Video games What's the fucking story of subway surf? That's relevant. I think we all know the story of subway surfers. You don't even have to explain it Also, it's something that stood out to me. But why is he showing the channel again on screen? Well, because he's a resident expert. He wants to make sure people at the stad would find you Yeah, that was essentially my takeaway from it is Okay, I'm talking about how shit this person is by the way, here's your channel so you can go That is a bit weird for someone who said do not because like there's no benefit to showing this Unless you want to make sure people know who you want to work You're creating extra work for yourself by putting it on screen Maybe he just wants to emphasize that he's a smaller creator Yeah, look at how smaller this creator is guys He did show the channel at the start of the section on me and that makes sense because okay This is the person I'm talking about this is what their channel looks like that makes sense I'm fine with that What he's doing right here. He does a couple more times throughout the section, especially towards the end. It's like Yeah, and also surely by his own metric. Well, listen at least he's got the patreon link on screen Yeah, he can help you out Surely by his own metric the smaller a quote unquote channel is the less you should be placing it on the screen, right? Well, no because he just could he just put some guy's Reddit name on there and guess what happened to that guy. Uh, yeah, well, you know what some guy Said some bad things True Means and to decide what is and isn't necessary to talk about at a danish games conference Bro, that's what all of us individually decide. That's what you've decided It decided it was relevant. Yeah, exactly. What are you? Why are you saying it like that? Like how could cretosis possibly know what's what's relevant at a swedish a swedish game conference? Like yeah past judgment on what is or isn't relevant They're talking about like the writing in fucking subway surfers though They just have like clouds come on screen and just juggle you're like, I don't see how relevant this is like How would you know are you swedish? You're like I guess you're right You know, I'm not swedish juggle on swedish clowns more power to you I mean taking 30 seconds to acknowledge the contributions of danish game developers Unnecessary keep it on topic i.e. Bethesda and it feels like you just justified the argument You've just said like well it didn't take long Like oh, so you feel like there's merit then to the idea that this isn't relevant to talking about the writing in Bethesda It's okay to accept that it's a harsh Perspective to have but that you understand where it comes from Any danish game developer who has a problem with that? tough Get your own games conference. I mean get a What is this? Why why do you read so far into it and then invent shit? Stop thing to say That's a shitty logo. It's just it's just irrelevant. Like come on Games conference this one isn't I don't mind though. I don't mind. Oh, you think just because you make Wait And he is uh This guy's got some issues like what happened it was just like hey, he just kind of rambling about like He was just rambling at the beginning of his speech It really is blink and you miss it with this particular part Well, that's why this is the perfect podcast. That's probably unnecessary in Denmark How insane would it be for him to play some of the greatest games ever? Like what the Time in between world wars to be neutral in so fine Well own games conference. I mean get another games conference. This one isn't about you Oh Like inside and hit man, that's enough for someone to acknowledge that you exist. What are we talking about? He's run off He's off in his own little fucking world. No, just just enjoy the ride There was an episode of south park where it established in the canon of the south park world that denmark is the canada of europe um They're really they're in a they're cold It's a cold country and people often forget about them and also they have the the the same kind of disconnected head Like flappy mouth thing that the canada is doing in the south park world And they have the mids they brought a bit to replace canada during when canada went on strike because they wanted some internet money We want more money. Yeah more money Oh God that episode's great. That's the one where they uh, they went to like get the youtube money and there was all of the early like early You know 2006 70 internet Celebrities remember chocolate rain guy getting oh, I fucking remember that episode Yeah, the tron guy and the star wars kid and uh, and yeah the panda Which by the way have gone from not only old to like really old to super old to the point where it's like Dude, how many people in chat would even know those ones probably don't even know Yeah, about like the the sneezing panda thing or um, or afro ninja or any of these ones the uh, what's it the beaver? The uh, oh, yeah, yeah the gopher. They are the intense gopher. Yeah Oh, that would be Maybe that's not a good idea to find out how many people don't know about it. Oh my gosh, feel old We don't want that Absolutely not the purpose of your entire country is to talk about Bethesda and don't stop Calm down. Is this supposed to be his in like his impression of you? Yeah, he's in fiddle. Listen to the same shit His voice has changed Like I can't be saying this because it's just like like I told you my initial perspective was like it's off hand I don't care about it, but now he's making me analyze you. I'm like, so what cretosis was said Was that under the guise of a speech about writing disciplines? He doesn't see the value in talking about how Denmark is responsible for other games No, it's an a or g. He's trying to prove to cretosis what irrelevant actually looks like by going on an irrelevant tangent I love how you I do I do see the the point of view that it's a trap But to me this fits perfectly with an inept idiot like trying to make a response Well, yeah, because why have we put so much into just an off-hand observation about how it was kind of a rambly intro to like Wow, what a piece of shit you are for downplaying the accomplishments of Denmark. What the hell is this? What is this? You guys ever forget that But he never said what's with the fucking this has to be about Bethesda Dude that pregnant fucking pause. Holy shit. I just want everyone to appreciate that absolutely not The purpose of your entire country is to talk about Bethesda and don't you guys ever forget that? It's so forced It's very forced. Yeah. Sorry. His voice is always great there again. That was you getting It's okay. It was a meme. It was a meme That's a version being carried away Well, it's just it was a meme that was obviously meant to belive some sort of real criticism that you're meant to take Seriously, so just to be clear Obviously, there's a criticism there And then it'll be like, ah, sorry guys. I'm just meman. I'm just joking around or something This gives me the energy of someone who apologizes when they say the word damn Anyway Cretosis's video is too long for me to show all of it or both Weak weak cowardly Self it does do quite a good job at speaking for itself Still thank you. I mean, I hate to be but thank you It's how Cretosis frames what emul says as negatively as possible throughout the entire video and in Is that the performance art that he just did that? Yeah. Yeah, he's teaching him how it feels. Oh, I see. Okay No, he's gonna make him say that That's him. That's an interesting In a meme the meme of his used another meme So what's the point? Negative words mean well the Cretosis was a mean He's a big old mean man and you shouldn't have been You should speak with you should speak with a soft tone I like that. He tried he tried to speak with a harsh tone as an impression and then like his voice started cracking Oh, yeah, all of it all the estrogen just like convulsed inside of his thorax and his Whatever what's it called the the Larry I used I used to think that he was putting on an impression But that might just be how he talks. Oh, yeah, it might be We've encountered a few people out of the meme If this is the meme what happens if you disagree with the examples that I'm pointed out In terms of a mountain being made out of a molehill for instance I'm getting confused as to what I'm supposed to be agreeing with here Well, I guess if this is all a big performance about like us see making a mountain out of a molehill That's what I just did but like yeah, but what happens if but but the What just because you've made this example doesn't mean it's going to align with like whatever's going to be brought up next Which I'm guessing it won't be but I you know That's what I wish you would just skip to like the most egregious examples of misrepresentation But you know, we're only 50 minutes in so maybe I should be waiting patiently for that. Yeah How can you say that you're a long man? What that's not what long people are this long people just make things Long not make things poorly paced. What are you talking about? No, but if you're long You're not allowed to think that anything is too long. I didn't say it was too long I said it took too long to say a thing You're not allowed to say that it took too long to say a thing if you're a long man But I don't take long to say stuff. I usually say things as soon as the time You had an hour long intro to tfa part one But that was about how everyone in the world is wrong except me No, it wasn't it was an hour long intro to tlj part one because you couldn't just get on with it Which would have been fine if I'd released all of it at once because it would be like lord of the rings It's long, but it's fairly long For example, instead of saying things like emil says Cretosis will say emil rambles to make the very act of speaking in a speech Somehow seem like a sin, but what if he is? Somehow seem like a sin I want to point this out too Cretosis frames everything as negatively as possible He says rambling instead of says to make everything or to make the act of speaking seem like a sin He's doing to me what he just claimed I'm doing to emil Well, that's the point you're being taught a lesson. He's wearing the the magical cloak of six layers of irony Uno reverse card plus seven defense. So I remember your glue. So get fucked Oh, we are at an interesting point of just Like like you said he rambled Okay, what is if he had said he said the whole time would you fucking approve of the video? This is what I mean Like someone could watch his speech and be like wow, he spoke really well And then the next person would be like what do you mean he didn't speak well at all Then someone else would be like you fucking rambled the other one would be like no He spoke very assertively and uh very consistently You know, I mean like it doesn't make any one of those four people ultimately correct It's so weird that this video advocates for like perspective, but then simultaneously is like Cretosis said he rambled What a fucking liar There are some examples rambling about how his parents seemingly this is more of a rambling mess He rambles a bit. He rambles more So I hate when people do this when they do the compilation thing when I'm sitting here like there's nothing wrong with this though So this is kind of reminding me a bit of um the you remember the the xqc thing he did with uh, ethan where like Wasn't responding when you're omitting so much context I have no idea what I'm supposed to make of any of this What happens because he's saying like oh you say rambles a lot It's like yeah, but I mean are these flanks, you know before or after with clips of the nature of it Like showing what he said You know you can describe it as a ramble and that's one thing But I mean if you show examples of the things that he said, how do I know if they're there or not? He's just chopped out all the parts where it's saying you're rambling. This is not very useful to me Yeah, what if he's accurately describing a mill's rambling? Well, but it really happens now What this wasn't rambling and we played the clips What this ultimately is as he said Cretosis claims he's rambling when he's just speaking. Here's my evidence. He's rambling. He's rambling. He's rambling He's rambling. He's ram see I just said you're like what the fuck have you proven nothing? I don't see anything. I don't understand what you're like. I have no information Admittedly, I probably do use Uh rambling too much there, but most times I'm just using it a shorthand for either Whatever ml is saying is useless to this the discussion. So I'm skipping it, but here's a really big summary of what it is Yeah, sounds like he's a bit of a rambler Or I use it to mean he takes too long to get to his point which he often does as you can see from my clips You've seen already. I'll have you know that I completely unrelated to this I watched a video summarizing a mill's points and it cut out the vast majority of the video Uh, I can't imagine if there's any reason for that. Yeah Well, he didn't cherry pick his examples in that one. Okay. No creation of follow-up form and it takes a lot of inane rambling to get to this point There's more rambling. He pauses a lot and there's also a lot of rambling and repetition here that I'm cutting out Rambles about how every game developed rambles again. There's yet more This is a pretty fucking good video of the issue with it is that he says the word ramble too much. Yeah He rambles pretty good The ramble pivot is about a 10 right now That one's interesting. I mean it rambles There he rambles. It's like oh, so a clip got played before this, right? Guy rims intro he fucking rambles a lot He rambles about how much of this yet even more rambling the me and yet even more rambling So that's yeah, that's uh, another one that would have been preceded by a clip Which again if you show the clip and then call it rambling Surely that's Better to being not a problem at all compared to not showing it and just and just paraphrasing everything You would have to give me examples of what amil says and then And then show how this isn't rambling it's actually extremely relevant interesting thing he is going to bring up an example and uh, I can explain the context on that Context he leaves out So what was just that Mola's Mola's done this played 15 examples when three to four would do my issue isn't at all that He's playing several examples It's the I don't mind being proven if he said to me like I can prove to you that cretosis often describes him as rambling I'd be like I don't care Why would that change anything what happens to just control effing the transcript to see the number of times he said it That would be sufficient. Why would you do that? To save time well, it doesn't have the same punch. Yeah, it's just playing it a lot He said This is a video that the first half basically didn't have to learn it so much If he had said cretosis often refers to him as a giant inflatable Tube man, I'd be like what and then they show 15 examples of that. I'd be like, why did you do that? That would be more entertaining to see on stage than ml yes Jointed mess. I would like to point out that cretosis summary of ml speech is longer than ml speech And if you're sorry, of course Because he's responding to it. Well, it's not a summary. He's looking it down Yeah, it's not a summary. How can it if you're playing clips and responding to it Very much more than like they're gonna be fucking longer I'm watching about the same because of that. Oh, you know what he's gonna say Yeah, this is this is particularly just triggering because this is just yeah, we get this all the fucking time Even more rambling the meandering rambling disjointed mess. I would like to point out that I love that He ends on disjointed mess and then has a disjointed cut Yeah, but that was an artistic choice Yeah, that was integral Speech is longer than ml speech and if your summary is longer than the original I don't think you can really criticize others for rambling I mean That might be a point Yeah, but it's not a summer. It's not a point even with a summary Make the summary as long as it needs to fucking be. Holy shit. Is that is that what is that why his part on the speech was so short Because he has the self-imposed rule If it is longer, it is as it is as or more unnecessarily long It is as or more like unnecessarily filled with fluff words and Um restatements that are worthless. I just might have funny Imagine a non sequitur a significant level of like a powerful Political position person made a speech that was five minutes long declaring war and your summary of what just happened in that speech was 10 minutes like free rambly bro I just I have some things to say that's all well If you were summarizing and including the context, but at that point it might break out of being a summary and start to be an explainer Well, yeah that point. Well, let me just come back to the fact that Even from the clips you've shown cretosis is clearly an analyzing it not just summarizing it. Yeah I also just think it's hilarious. He calls it a summary while showing it on screen where it's titled both breaking down in the title and a thumbnail breaking down Which implies it's different from like Come on never knows better. Yeah, him. Yeah, he's a lie. That's just a lie Uh Yeah, this this one's complicated in terms of like is this incompetence like, um Never knows best should knows what english are Hard to say that it's incompetence Still a lot of this video is about Cretosis his opinions on the elder scrolls and fallout. Okay, and those parts are fine They are just his opinion on those games and that is something he is perfectly entitled to Thank you for permission. Thank you Can be broadly categorized into three groups Yeah, the first is petty personal attacks against emil Anyways back to the stupid speech Did you did you think maybe you were being too cruel when you said that do you regret putting that in your video I didn't realize I probably put a minor amount of work into this speech I just I wasn't Cruel enough the meanness will continue until morale improves. I can't fucking believe this man He getting hung up on like he said he was stupid How rude is that? That's so petty to call someone stupid He does a compilation of insults later. I don't know why he wouldn't pick something that's more like scathing than oh, yeah The speech is dumb You'll notice when watching this that he didn't actually say anything a substance Is that a personal attack? I don't even need to comment on how fucking retreaded this is I find it difficult to play your stuff too Is that a person? That was pretty fucking petty of you bro You're making you're making negative criticism about the product that he's selling to you for money If you'd made a video about me and said like you called someone a cabbage. That's pretty petty I'd be like I don't even know what to say to you I mean like I I guess like I you got me It's that fucking mean for breaking bad. You got me. I call him a more noble next time I would love to see someone fucking scathing it upset about being called a cabbage It's sufferable Then there are parts where he either Inadequately summarizes emil or takes things he says out of context. So you probably should have opened with this This is the Finally we're here first Because it's easy to forget that he's listing out three things right To try to make emil sound stupid or to just make the speech sound Nonsensical he rambles more about the creation of Fallout 4 in boston lists some places he knew And even says he put his bedroom for when he was a kid into the game Not sure what this has to do with story writing But okay, this by the way relates to story writing because he's talking about drawing from personal experience in his writing This time we've grown up that's not a story. That's not. Yeah, that's a story. It's not that's just like an easter egg It's like a okay, you know, yeah, that's like an easter egg only he fucking cares. I was going to say it's like a personal Easter egg, which is the worst kind of Easter egg. Yeah And the part about his bedroom is just a lie because yeah to be to clarify because I'm just going from what he has Summarize your video as Kratos is you're saying I don't know what him including his bedroom in a game has to do with writing advice Largely that and also the whole section about places in boston He knows I'm highlighting that because I'm going to bring it up after this next clip And then moving on to well, he said write what you know So if you lived in a place put that place into the game that counts as writing It's like this is a bit of a leap. I think this is a bit silly My hearted joke Uh, Kratos is if you're ever unsure how to identify jokes a good way is to just listen to whether the audience loves Look at all the personal attacks that he makes and then he does it But he does it in kind of like a little soft atone And then it just slides Or remember he's doing it. He's doing it to defend something too. So he's So it's okay on a negative which is a positive. Yeah, you can use the same strategies As long as you're using them against the bad guy How is emil talking about Him putting his room in the game. How is that a joke? That's not a joke. That's just that's a description of a They how is something that the audience laughed at therefore a joke therefore something shouldn't take seriously Oh I'm getting from that. I also hope that he doesn't misidentify a joke later in this video And also how is kratos is supposed to identify a joke if he's alone then? Well, that's funny, but also there's not an audience put a laugh track and But audiences can laugh for things a lot more than just jokes like things that can be funny when they're not jokes You know, I mean like like a reality that's nervous laughter. Yeah, there's that too his context And that is where I grew up humble place. That's a street. I grew up and of course I had to put My bedroom in the game All right, that's your bedroom. Yeah, that wasn't a joke. That's not a joke That was a joke. This is one of the things I want to highlight. So he's criticizing me for cutting context I said he was rambling about how he lived in boston any new places There's significantly more to that And nobody leaves out and he'll talks about fenway park. He talks about Uh, the swan boat some other location. I don't remember it doesn't matter point is He rambles and I cut it for time It's interesting because You paraphrase and then he's like that's an inaccurate paraphrase Let me show why with my paraphrasing of what he said rather than just showing the clip And letting you judge for yourself. Whether you think that he was rambling or not What I do find that kind of interesting from the clip is that why the audience are laughing is that he says This is my bedroom and it presents just a mattress in a room. It's like Yeah, that's quite a bedroom That is like, oh, so he was joking. It's like just because people are laughing doesn't mean it's a joke It could mean that it's actually kind of funny because it's sad just a little bit, you know, that would be your bedroom Oh, and I guess the more relevant part would be well, it's not it's it's There there is something that he's trying to make as a point in its totality, right? The whole right what you know, see and I put this in there and I knew that So it's not like it's irrelevant. It's not like it's it's completely Pointless in the grand scheme of what I would argue that's a malformed version of right what you know That's just that's as we said a personal Easter egg. That's all that is Yeah, but his whole thing His whole thing about living in Boston doesn't actually really relate to anything there because again He lists locations. He's familiar with but anyone scouting the location to put in a game Would naturally visit landmarks in like local places people know Yeah developers from new vegas did this and that's why Good springs looks like the real life good springs We are like location scouts for video games are pretty common at this point like basically every open world game or Game set in a real world location and even not a real world location Like we'll have location scouting and taking photos for reference Yeah, so his experience living in Boston doesn't really Like knowing those landmarks doesn't really contribute to anything or just places that people are going to be aware of I mean let alone you're writing it for a post apocalyptic story that's set like 200 years in the future And an alternate history world anyway, right isn't fall out like alternate history going into the future. Yeah More examples like this He has said great games are played not made like a dozen times in this section Some of which are in sentences that trail off and don't get completed So you said it was a dozen when it says there that it's four. So you fucked up also I bet you hit the fourth time here in that motto and you're like geez how many times has it been now Well, and he can't police people on hyperbole given the whole most infamous speech thing resident expert thing Is the whole big spiel about how this game conference should be dedicated to Bethesda Uh, it was a little bit of hyperbole. I I didn't count the number of times. He said great games are uh Played not made but it did seem like a bunch. How dare you and I'm not even sure if this is an accurate count because I think there might be One or two times in there where emil says great games played not made missing the r so it's not going to come up in the uh transcript Well, it was something he was saying here before a pause that he uh often just trailed off that the sentences would end Before they were completed. He would have understood it was a joke He stole that in the clips that he shot earlier in this video. He did just trail off and stop talking He would have understood it was a joke if you included a laugh track I'll do that next time. Yeah, I'll just put a laugh track over the entire video Anyone is unsure of if anything's a joke. I can just write it off as a joke and you know nailed it Yeah, this is something else making sure we remember that you are truly interacting with them. Dang This is the experience we all the player has a controller on their hand and and they can alter the narrative whenever they want No, they can't they literally cannot alter the narrative any time they want. What the actual fuck are you talking about you clown? Whoa Yeah, that's literally true. You can't just alter the narrative of a video game This was in the section of misrepresenting him. Yeah, it sounds like it was a personal attack That's what I'm saying. He fucks the stuff up. I don't know if you know but calling someone a clown is a slayer, okay? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah This is emil talking about the interactive nature of games as a medium Hence make sure to remember players can always alter the narrative whenever they want Crete okay So yeah, yeah, just to recap for everybody emil says you can alter the narrative cretosis says that's retarded No, you can't and then in defense of him never knows best says yes, you can Yeah, he just resets what he said. That's not a response So when I covered this I took this as talking about Fallout 4 because this is a speech about Fallout 4 Fallout 4 is a game where you can't alter the narrative with the push of a button You could join four factions and That's pretty much the extent of the choice you have in this game. It is Pathetic, especially yes, yes Well, the yeah, it's like, how do I alter the narrative of Resident Evil 4? Yeah, that's actually the narrative of all also most games The answer to this is it depends on what is meant by alter the narrative if he was to argue You could just turn the game off that alters the narrative. I'd be like, oh my god You can spend 50 hours making shacks that's all Right and in my response to this video I Included the example of if he's talking about all games and if I jump off a cliff and die in halo That's not altering a narrative. I get sent back to the checkpoint and continue the story Yeah, the game aggressively make sure that you complete the narrative It was an emergency story time It was an emergency storytelling Seriously, that's just some people like well, obviously he's referring to like significant choices or whatever and to be like I mean The the impression I got from him was that the fact that it's a game means people can alter the narrative at any point in conjunction with the whole Building things thing Meaning that the second they step off from the guided tour of what the story is they are altering the narrative Which as far as I'm concerned is not something most people agree with Like if you do a side quest That's not relevant to the main plot doesn't mean you're altering the narrative It's as generous as saying well, you role you play the role of this character. So it's a role-playing game You can choose which weapon you shoot so it's a game about choice You are the role of dropping blocks in a big thing. So Tetris is an rpg. You're like, no Poses instead presents this as if emil is making an absolute claim These kinds of examples are tiresome and wasn't honest We'll show us the context that was hidden Yeah, what you showed us was not a good thing for you to do Like I said, what I have to go on from what you showed me is the building and a shack means that they've fucked up the story Which matches the altering the narrative thing, but I don't agree that that alters the narrative So tell me what I'm missing mr. Video maker But it can be hard to identify if these result from a failure of cretosis is reading comprehension Leading to him genuinely misunderstanding Listen, uh personal attack. I shouldn't want to make fun of you for being retarded But if you are please seek help That's what he's saying I said it so nicely that I'm not once again hypocrisy About it's just um, it's what for you said several times It's this bullshit where you get to be meaner because you're the quote-unquote positive one And and also because you're responding. You're the protagonist the hero of this story Yeah, the evil dragon and everyone has tried to pull this card of I won't call them retarded I will instead say oh Jesus I didn't realize you might be retarded. I'm so sorry if you retarded I didn't know I didn't realize that's why you're so stupid. You were retarded because of the retarded things you said Well, and it's not even like he said it was re issues with reading. He's It's issues with listening if you was right. We didn't we already established. He's got issues with reading He said it was a summary when it was a breakdown explicitly and that is That is actually reading as we considered. What if what if you have dyslexia, you know What if he's just like I didn't The idea that you might just be a piece of it. What if what if what if what if you had to drop out of school to get a job or something Yeah, that's right. What if cretosis in hospital bills brothers and sisters Living in their shack in humbled street or whatever the fuck you grew up But maybe maybe he had to you're right drop out of school. He had to get a job washing dishes just like um, just like whoever the fuck the protagonist was and robots You might have giga autism and you're making fun of him, which is Neurodivergent Uh, I'm literally neurodivergent just going around into becoming an insult because they insist on us using it I can't wait to tell us the new retarded What's funny is in Buffy one of the earlier episodes the someone to insult another person says are you mentally challenged? It's like wasn't that at one point a nice way of putting it? It's like It became like an insult Or if this is instead a deliberate attempt to purposefully misrepresent Emil well, there you go cretosis Well, you were a retard or you're a malicious liar a liar Choose what and he assumed he assumed up front that he was still being malicious He can't even commit and say you're an evil retard either. You have to be wondering Yeah, what kind of you both damn it. Let me be an achiever. Let's be clear that they're not mutually exclusive You could be an evil retard. It's Give cretosis some credit here, you know I have experience dealing with evil retards. Oh I think we all do now regardless the final type of example is similar Except it involves misrepresenting. I'm just talking about he didn't even he didn't even prove that you would were an evil retard He just he moved on He just is he just deal with it All right, you know I get okay points or writing rules so that cretosis can make an argument against them to discredit them Here is cretosis on keep it simple stupid. Okay. This is a pretty good I like it as it applies to well just about everything Except fucking story writing As far as this phrase goes It absolutely does not apply to story writing In the creation of fiction the more complex and detailed the world events and characters are the better Uh I don't agree with that. I agree with that. No don't agree with that I don't think any of all our game No Including in fallout potentially. No, yeah, I don't see the I don't see what fallout. Uh, how will that would change in fallout context? complexity is complicated in terms of like rating say for example, you put a um Lord the rings against a matrix and you're like Which one's more complicated? Say they were both as good as you think they're both excellent It's like so which is more complicated is the answer to which one's better. I'd be like, whoa I don't even know that that would give you an any kind of answer. It's Um, I can understand why you would have come to a conclusion like that But I feel that it's um, it's more complicated than like, you know, like the simplistic fairy tales and stuff someone said like Asop's fables and stuff like that asops fables is better than multiverse of madness Multiverse of madness is considerably more complicated than the tortoise and the hare That's a better story or the grasshopper in the ants or uh, or yeah, any Any given like straightforward power ball or anything like that Simplicity and complexity don't necessarily tell us anything about whether I was I was going to bring up what this chatter brought up The dune movie. It's quite a complex story for it could be made much simpler than it is But it benefits from that complexity if it's done well, yeah a like statement I should have worded that differently because um Yeah, there are simple stories that I like. Um Dread is a great movie and the story is well 90 percent of it is shooting people and it's great So I think what's uh interesting about the idea of whether or not simplicity or complexity is better when it comes to storytelling It does depend on what the writer's objectives are Um, well, if someone's pointed out complexity does not necessarily equal depth, which would be the thing that's worth pointing out You can add more More characters or a more intricate plot, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to have a greater amount of depth and sometimes Like by focusing in on a very specific It's kind of funny because it was in this speech But the thing is is that there's like so much additional context you would have to explain If you could like focus in on one theme and explore that comprehensively That one theme you could say that that's simple But in a certain sense depending on how much you explore it it can turn into like Yeah, maybe this is the overarching theme But then it's got all of these like sub themes beneath it because of the nature of how you're exploring it And or has got like a you know as an example and or has got a central theme But in exploring it very comprehensively you can break it down into different individual points of discussion um So yeah, I wouldn't say in this case that simple or more complex tells us anything necessarily What I would say is that a if you take two stories that are both Done really well and one of them is extremely complicated and one of them is extremely simple The very complicated story done very well is far more impressive Yeah, to maintain a similar level of like coherency despite many many many complications We find that to be very much something that's worthy of reward One of the reasons why Laura rings is so praiseworthy is because that's a story that's got many many many complicated variables being juggled all at once And being executed masterfully compared to you know nailing like an example of character Yeah, uh, well, that's that would be an example of a simple story executed really well Because it's like a very straightforward plot It's 12 men in a room that they never leave until the very end of the film discussing whether or not they believe a man is guilty of a crime And you get a look into each of those characters lives, but they are essentially static with the exception of a Jura Sorry, I mix them up Three was the racist guy wasn't he wait dammit except for except for the last guy that they convinced some mix up their names But yeah, that would be an example of a simple story done. Well, oh Four no, I think four was a glasses guy Damn it. That's the point being that that's a simple story executed very well Kind of like the scores like uh, olympic high diving Uh, the scores that you can get for the dive you do I think the maximum That score that you can get is determined by the complexity of the dive so Perfectly executing a very easy dive Can potentially lose to a very complex dive that's done quite well so To emphasize we're in a part talking about changing emil's meaning So yes to demonstrate why what critosis said was changing his meaning. Yeah Well, yeah, it sounds like With what he said not that you were changing the meaning of what he said I just story writing after in the creation of fiction The more complex and detailed the world events and characters are The better remember emil said he uses this rule in relation to themes And that he thinks having a single strong central theme is good So boy, do I have some stuff to say here? He skipped about 13 minutes of video where I go very in depth on themes of skyrim and uh What he claims the theme of Fallout 4 is and just talking in general about themes and how He fucks up the discussion of themes at one point by saying The post apocalypse in 1950s americana is a theme And all that is skipped to get to this point of Hey stories are better if they're more complex That doesn't seem very uh fair of him Well, uh, it seems as though if we were to cover your assessment and response to him We would never entertain the idea that you've misrepresented it as opposed to just entertaining your point of view And your disagreement with him, you know, I mean like we wouldn't even entertain the idea Is like oh, how could you you've You've ruined his initial meaning because you have focused on a complex story while he's talking about themes being nice It's a foundational simple thing which like I said, I still disagree with as well Very strange statement This is the funny thing too is uh in his speech emil claims that the uh core theme of Fallout 4 is suspicion And that is kind of hilarious having gone through all Fallout 4 and that pretty much never coming up I was actually about to just say that if his If what emil's saying here is in regards of writing themes You should keep it simple stupid I would just sort of going through my memory trying to figure out what the fuck the themes were for skyrim And fallout 3 and fallout 4 i'm like what what were the themes of those games if If keep it simple stupid is the strategy for writing them That's the thing is they don't really they don't really have themes in a conventional literary sense What do they have it in instead? So uh kind of just like side plot lines just minor things It's a lot of just giving you things to do to justify gameplay. It's not so much focused on like high-end Literary concepts. I think emil just thinks it's that way Yeah, he uh, he first goes on about how skyrim is about dragons in the studio Everyone was talking about how it's about dragons, but is that not a real No, I know but the real theme of skyrim is the lone hero The hero's journey he even says it's uh One of their more biblical stories a dragonborn is very much a messiah figure. It's like what the fuck are you smoking? Is this yeah Is that the no I because i'm like, okay, I don't think that's yeah, I don't think that's true Because there's no low point pretosis story. I mean like buying the game This on the other hand is claiming that emil applies this rule to all writing and all aspects of storytelling And emil claims all parts of stories should be as simple as possible I thought that emil said that this not only applies to all of gaming Like he introduces it by saying this is the clip he used in this video that this is like a design Perspective, but the applied to writing it refers to and then he said like his own personal point of view which is Theme, you know, I mean like that this this is applied to a shit ton Well, if the the problem of this video's construction is that instead of giving us that shit seven hours ago Why don't you play the part about keep it simple stupid here? Yeah Because I can't quite remember the specifics of what emil said You need to play it now when you're contrasting it with what critosis said in an ideal world You would have watched the full talk before this and you would go to the talk Has me watching this I also want to point out the thing he claims. I said it's not something I ever said Which is why he doesn't play the clip of me saying it And also it's not changing his meaning at best. It's just an extrapolation Genuinely from what I've gotten from this video. You have keep it simple stupid and this refers to just like a Don't over complicate the situation get the message forward get the idea forward like first and foremost This applies to mechanics like I can understand that and this applies to story too And what emil had to say was that fundamentally you need a foundational theme That's like straightforward and the guiding principle for like all things and then your response to that critosis was that You think that that's valid for like approaches with gaming But that when it comes to story that the more complicated the the better even though I don't necessarily agree with that I recognize now, especially with what you said like there's a huge Like more than however many minutes cut out of context of what you had to say about the whole thing in in totality But what doesn't come to my mind immediately is the sense that you have butchered what he had to say about it Is more so just like you clearly disagree with him Well consider the difference in discussion that we just had on what cretosis said versus what's in this video. Yeah It's like completely different thing Which is something that emil has never said and yet frequently appears in reddit posts and youtube comments My god. Cretosis then goes on to prove why this fake rule is bad. Good job. Cretosis Don't you complain about straw manning? Yeah, good job. Cretosis proving that it's bad But the point I'm making is that not every story should be something simple Especially when you're dealing with a large open world RPG With plenty of factions and decades of lore behind it He does the same thing with the second rule. Yeah, I mean that's that's that's more agreeable as far as I'm concerned like Yeah, if you're a big studio with all this shit to work with like, you know, you could you could jazz it up a bit Yeah, what's funny is Keep it simple stupid could apply to the components of a story and the components the components of the components If you know what I mean, keep all of those individual things simple and straightforward and then when they built up all together It makes a very complicated overall image of a story But uh, this is what I mean the the clips he showed us of emil talking about it were very like cringe So, yeah, if we're going from just broadly speaking keep your story simple. I'd be like, well, I mean, hey That's not great advice every time maybe that's a strategy He uh, he because I mean it was even acknowledged that a lot of the uh, caveats that he gave That he knew that that speech wasn't great Yeah By putting it at the beginning of the video and then paraphrasing his speech later on in the video in a more uh And in a way with greater clarity Forget what he actually said and how he said it before and you'll just take his rephrasing of it as uh I still think even if you're gonna lie lie, don't do like this weird thing Where you play me clips that put me against emil to begin with Yeah, we remember he put them so early that you've forgotten them. I haven't though Why don't you just go and see if people are shitty at it? Fortunately, you've got really good memory. He didn't account for the long memory Right what you know He concludes that right where you know Simply means dropping your personal experience and it takes a lot of inane rambling to get to this point This is also a point I very much disagree with You can write good stories without direct firsthand knowledge or personal experience You can be inspired by someone else's experience. They're told to you or that you hear of to write great things So cretosis though that could be a semantic thing of like when someone tells you their experiences Does that become then your knowledge? Is that still their experience or your first time? You know, I mean that's like a semantic thing to an extent But that still wouldn't I kind of agree with you is kind of again that with that anyway claims emil's rule is Sorry, I was just gonna say I love what he says here. This is probably my favorite part of the video All right Only right about things you have firsthand experience with and yet in reality All emil said there it is from your own experiences He did not say that's not what he said. So he's making a distinction between First-hand experiences and personal and first-hand experiences, but he he doesn't say personal experience. He just says experience Draw from your experience your experience implies that it's first hand if you say your experience This is just if you say childish like The personal first hand or general experience, you know, I mean like it's just like, okay What cretosis took from what he said was that you draw from whatever you've done in your life when he's saying that you can Draw from a hell of a lot more than that Like yeah, just as did you say the words first hand experience? I said first hand or personal experience Yeah, this is patty. Okay The synonym squad whose rule is only right about things you have first-hand experience with And yet in reality all emil said there it is on screen your own experiences Yeah, you're it's on screen as in you're belonging to you It's literally yeah, it's on screen draw upon your personal experiences. You had to turn the captions on and record this No He did not say they have to be first hand and in fact He said they have to be personal Like I said this barely like requires responses is silly Paul he immediately gives is writing the dark brotherhood an assassin's guild And as far as i'm aware emil pagliorello does not have any real life experience of being in an assassin But we saw yeah, but you play the clip where we laughed at him for saying what he said We were just begging for more this this this supports Cretosis's point of view when you say like I can write for the dark brotherhood because i'm catholic. That's hilarious That makes me hungry for more. Yeah Like obviously implied in there is like well, you're gonna be adding a hell of a lot more than what you experienced obviously Also the whole thing here about ml not being assassin like yeah, I acknowledge that ml says it in his own speech I'm like, okay, but what does your? upbringing in christianity have to do with anything here you Making the night mother and sith is evil versions of the virgin mary and god They don't tell us about like why these choices are made or like anything. There's no context It's just a statement that that's something he did things gild The final example is from the paper. Oh, wow. We're already at the final one damn All right, we heard earlier. Maybe this one is probably the second most Here's Cretosis's response This honestly just makes him look like a complete dickhead here And this just comes across as an excuse for being lazy and writing a shit story I have so many problems with this mentality Just because someone is going to spend 200 hours building shacks doesn't mean they're never going to see the story As evidenced by all the people who did see the fucking story I like building shitting games that have that feature I also want to enjoy a good story and follow it for and you got nothing This is essentially saying that because side content exists that may distract players They're going to shit all over your story, which is monumentally fucking stupid Yeah, he's basically saying side content is in opposition to the narrative Which we've talked about is insane That is nuts that that's actually That that is actually nuts because the I mean this taken to not even the extreme but this taken Further is there is it's only like a main quest. There are no deviations from it It is a super Story-focused game where there's no real Alleyways or extra pathways or anything like that, which doesn't make them necessarily bad But it's a much more constricted experience Having a dev tell you that as a gamer as a hardcore lifelong gamer is all five of us I presume are you just awkwardly sitting there like but that's not true Yeah, so This is just literally not true. Why do you think this? Did you come up with this on your own? Did Todd whisper this in your ear? What's going on? Writing a story for a game make sure to remember that players won't always do what you want them to As they play their own way He said the rip that they will rip the pages out of the book and make planes out of them Not just that but he says specifically and they'll never see your story Yeah That the side content is something that you don't want them to do Because that's the implication here meals being remember No, this is about changing emil's meaning. Yeah Why this is outright ignoring shit that he just shown us that he said Remember if we go all the way back to when he said the paper airplane thing I said as a suggestion that he'll have players pointing out plot holes like actively like that's something they might do And I think free was like, oh, I think he means that like they could go off trail or whatever It's like, why would I entertain the idea that people are going to be tearing your story apart if you hadn't implied that with your analogy? I guess I'm just making shit up too Because if you were to Go ahead all right, if someone was to say that someone was tearing apart the story of a game and I would assume that that would mean they would go to the place where like an in-game cut scene happens And they're not paying attention. They're putting buckets on people's heads. They're spinning around. They're shooting NPCs They're just fucking around doing something else. They're looting. You're not paying attention to the story They're putting obstacles in front of the NPCs That's the kind of shenanigans that I would expect he means by that Not they are engaging in separate unrelated side content that we specifically put in the game for them to do Like if they went to the achievements and it said 20 percent of players defeated the final boss meaning 80 percent of players just fucked around people like whoa No, not not necessarily We have no that could mean all kinds of different things statistically speaking And then we look at those 80 percent players Playthroughs and they're focusing entirely on let's say it's halo and they're doing forge. He's like so forge has destroyed their engagement with the game They're like no They are engaging with the game. They're just not playing story mode. This is what I mean about like the clarity of his statements Welcome to the world of I mean just no just welcome to the world not everyone gives a shit about the story You're trying to well. Yeah. They just want to do their own thing It's it's Really getting in his way. It's like you probably shouldn't be writing for video games Let alone open world rpgs when people spend 60 bucks on your game They could do what they damn well pleased with it It's their experience now if they just for instance, I never beat skyrim I never beat the main story didn't give a fuck couldn't care less I just fucked around Essentially, I did a bunch of dungeons and different quests and just him hauled around and then I got bored and then I moved on With my life. I never I never beat the main story. I literally did not care it was so unengaging and an interesting that I think I got to the part where the blades were like, yo You should kill parthenax and I'm like fuck that and I just left around with everything else in the game. I'm like, nope It was funny. I think metal was like an hour away from the end of god of war Uh ragnarok He was like I've got this side quest to do which I do was going to take him like seven hours I was like, please Please please please do the ad please He was like I'm gonna go for the side quest. I was like, no The moment of introspection should happen for a meal when you're realizing like wait a second How come people would rather build shacks for 30 hours than engage in my story? Hmm. Hmm. Well, obviously it's the gamers that are wrong Yeah Yet cretosis presents this as if emu is saying why doesn't he just call you lie tosus at this point, you know Yeah, I speak on the other eyes a story at all Or don't try when writing a story because players might not care about it No, well, that's not what he said that that he said He said that it seemed like that was kind of what was behind it Was this like that it was almost an excuse for shitty writing So he's saying he lied that's an interpretation lies. That's not a lie lies Well, he said that it wasn't implied by ml and I absolutely feel it was implied that people aren't going to care about the story I can see how someone would think that I the the first implication I get is that he's just whining Yeah, as somebody who hadn't seen this your your video on this in a while um my look at it was You were either extrapolating or Just misunderstanding. He's attributing malice That doesn't need to be attributed Well, remember, it's either that it was malicious or that he can't read retard or evil Yeah, exactly retoces Emil quite clearly neither says nor implies This comes across as someone with no understanding of how people play games is just completely out of touch with gaming Maybe there will be some people who never touch the story But to write it off as no one ever seeing your great american novel because they'll rip the pages out Make paper airplanes and build shacks seems like the peak of ignorance I agree. It certainly it. Yeah, it seems like there's a there's a huge difference between leaving the book on the book shelf And picking up the book and then destroying it two completely different things He's got a zinger coming hours is leaving the book on the shelf Well, they've been pretty good so far. So, oh, yeah, great peak ignorance indeed Utterly destroyed i'm gonna go kill myself now dang disavow Crito start Crito start Crito start Uh, also a lot more personal attacks No, it's not a lot more personal How could you fucking sound great cling on promotion in the brotherhood would be absolutely fucking nonsense That's not a personal attack. What are you talking about you absolute fucking clown person? Whoa Dude, it's 2024 another racial slam. Damn Well, no fucking shit Sherlock Do you do you apologize for this? Have you apologized you stand accused? This guy would die if you watched my videos You fucking cabbage Okay, I I have my script open. I just opened like I did a search for Sherlock Uh, apparently what ml was saying there is sometimes they throw their paper airplanes. Sometimes they want to experience a story I don't know. I feel like I completely justified in that one Yeah, that's yeah, that's Yeah, I mean that's that's what you should have said it politely. You should have been nice about it. You should have said I think that was rather obvious I you should have said I agree ml you are very talented and I like you Oh, let's see that's passive aggression. That's even worse than calling him a clown Okay, ml. I agree with you and you're not spectacular in any way I don't know this this is all very cruel. I just avow everyone on this podcast Just all right. I just avow every I do too and on myself He then makes some nonsensical comparisons between games and movies killing us Is that a personal attack? That was the personal attack that you said it was nonsensical. Oh my god Damn I remember my first 15 minutes on the internet Next you're gonna say he's silly He's a doodoo head and he's dumb That he smells in Skyrim is not the red wedding This is actually the perfect representation of how simplistic his understanding of everything is What dude? You call this understanding simplistic bro I need to fill you in on the context here because it is amazing ml is talking about how games can give a different experience than uh, like shows or movies or whatever because you know, they're interactable and It's just a completely different experience and you can experience, you know What's that movie with all the gangs? Warriors warriors, you can you can experience the warriors in games and stuff and he does another example I don't remember one of them One of them is the red wedding from game of thrones And he references a quest in skyrim where you kill a single person who isn't relevant to fucking anything The only purpose she has in the entire game is to be killed in this quest And that's uh, the reversion of the red wedding Okay Interesting Maybe you just gotta play it This was lovely maturity Ah, yes, emil is the one coming across as immature here I'm like completely mature and not at all unhinged cretosis unhinged Everyone knows best is like the most softy little softy cuckboy. I think I've ever seen this is nice Uh, we have I got just got commentary from private sessions He says that what he classifies as personal attacks reinforces his belief that he was bullied Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, if I don't know man harassment early on I feel like any bully worth this salt says a hell of a lot more than you know what you're simple minded Well, some of us didn't grow up on the mean streets Like you did all right some of us we You know what some of us got off easy You know what rags in a gentleman's society rags your comparisons. They're nonsense. Oh my good. Yo stop I thought we were friends I've got somebody more ready to go No, no that was already one too many Please stop. I can't handle this unhinged behavior Oh, good lord. You silly boy you cloud Oh, no, that's a slur. Oh, yeah, is it a slur fucking Sherlock over here. My shoes aren't even big Being unhinged didn't we just call him an evil retard I want to be an evil I am not an evil retard you take that back or I'm telling the teacher on you I do you think that's coming to my birthday sounds at times I assure you the level of frustration. I'm experiencing right now is immense Oh, I'm sorry. You should have included a laugh track to indicate that that was uh slightly hyperbolic So, you know, he's unhinged because it's like wow, this is the you watched a video about someone's like opinions about game design You're the most angry ever Why you must you you got issues, bro It even seems to be a cool Frustrated at listening to a fool on stage. Yeah. Oh my god The future of fallout is fucking doomed if it remains in this man's control Which does feel a little bit concerning. That's definitely a call to action Yeah, you just asked everyone to bend his house down. So that's pretty fucked up. You just gave everyone a side I could you how do you sleep at night with that with the way that you threatened him? Only kurtosis seems to hate emil and this is just one of several videos Kratosis has made about me. Oh jeez one of several Like I know I know it's a meme, but Some people actually do need to touch grass I don't know rags. I feel like this is this is obsessive behavior. We've got one video two videos three videos Three on the internet. Oh my god All videos. Oh jeez. Let's stop. That's the full video. That constitutes several. Oh be still my heart And each of these videos are longer than the video in question. So think about that I don't want to think about that No, it's horrifying. I was gonna say if you can't sleep tonight. I'll know why I'm not going to go over the others in the same detail Zero Oh boy, I think it does need to be pointed out, but this isn't a one off So here are a few representative clips from Kratosis's latest video Okay titled Bethesda's emil pagliarillo is an incompetent writer Let's check it out. Wow today. I'm here to talk about a different problem And that's the writing style of ml pagliarillo That's it you've done it You pull out a magic dagger and you slice a woman and she flies into the air But I was going through scripting this my responses with a friend of mine We both got fucking hypnotized by that cliff. We just everything got drowned out by that cliff Pretty funny, but also perfectly representative Mel is a fantastic example of someone who has promoted far beyond his skill or talent as he's a hack writer Incapable of dealing with even the most basic and simple of plot lines This man can't write for shit and should not be in charge of writing jokes on bubblegum wrappers Can they arrest this Kratosis man? Can can we find an arrest him? We're not just getting him fired. You're you're messing up his future career as a bubblegum rapper This isn't legal in britain Yeah, it probably is ml pagliarillo is absolutely an incompetent writer And he should not be leading these projects. Welcome to my video of why kratosis should be killed He said these horrible things Even worse This comes across entirely as though it's nothing more than a job to him, especially with starfield Rather than having any kind of passion or enthusiasm for the craft I get the impression that he just does this Because it's what he's paid to do People who are passionate about their work Even if they're bad at it don't turn and slop this fucking shallow and empty We'll do better in all gone. Maybe we've encountered a lot of people in the world have felt that You know, I wouldn't say anything else. That's fine If a chef burns every meal he makes he should be fired If a surgeon loses every patient he has he should be fired. Well to be fair hospitals are big Yeah, like they might say the next one. You've never been a surgeon. How would you know? Oh How can you tell when someone's alive if you're not a stitch? Yeah, emil is like a surgeon with storytelling. There you go. He's precise and he knows what to cut and what to fix He's an art and he keeps it simple Makes us dog shit. They should be fired I do wonder what about youtubers who make low quality videos that are full of misrepresentations Oh, I know I know the answer this never Oh, we cover them on e-fap. We cover them on e-fap. Yeah Contradictions and outright hate outright hate Oh boring saying that a real pagliarillo sucks at writing is hate What did happen to them? Oh my god They should be destroyed. The funny thing is he qualifies for all the things he just referenced So whatever you decide sir, you'll be getting it to them They should also what about like this feels a little bit targeted, doesn't it? Yeah, that's why it's no the center of the screen all of these things like What if he bans you from his comment section you can't harass him. Oh, no Yes, the ultimate punishment. I swear to fucking god if cretosis made a screenshot filled with a thousand messages of You should delete your channel. I'm pretty sure never knows best would be like Well, that's what you get when you lie about other creators spoilers Oh, really? Oh my oh, let's just forget about this. We'll get there. Oh, okay Yeah, well, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way YouTubers are often allowed to say whatever they want and usually I was about to say when usually they get away with it We are in a world just getting away with it where people are allowed to say Damn it, you made a reference before I could You believe youtubers can just say stuff and they usually get away with saying stuff You can tell this is the villain origin for some fucking dystopian movies like You know once people are allowed to say just whatever the hell they wanted It was a hell world retard one too many times He's English, of course, he's against freedom of speech We hate the england here Magna Carta more like magna sharda His second video is arguably wasp in the previous one. Well, you sure He showed us a compilation of three vague insults about the state of his ability to write in Mild insults that were more mild than the fucking first video Yeah, I can't focus. Yeah, it's tough to decide if they're more vague or more mild Do you think if he heard you call him a cunt he would have been like It is more on events we haven't got to yet Still this second video is likely kratosis's most successful video of all time Okay, receiving over 240k views in just yeah, why is it likely as opposed to we could check You could just sort my most popular, right? It hasn't fully panned out yet. Okay All right, I hedging his bets I I would argue in terms of success the timer released That video got more views in three or four weeks than any other video I've done but My eight hour response to many a true narrative has over Seven hundred and sixty thousand views. That's the most successful of all time But we're measuring success by view count. What about success by like getting the message across or something like that or like making a good video I don't know Well, what I can't believe is like wait, so we're done with the kratosis section now But we still got another how long is this like eight minutes before yeah before we get to professional We got to get to the moralizing part. Oh Yeah, meaning a lot of people have tuned in to listen to his expert analysis You've not okay. Listen, all right If we're gonna actually grant you that you debunked the first video, which you absolutely didn't you barely even covered it You cannot claim that you've debunked this video where you claim you've you played what three quotes that were mean at most That's all you've done And You'd be like this is a trap video, but I would be like no, this is just hyper incompetence Like he really thinks that he's actually done this like he's like I don't need to go over how just how just horrible Cree retard is he's he's And you can see that this is our influential creed Tardo's Last far I have not been convinced that this is a meme This seems like a bad video. He's incredibly bad at his job One thing I do want to mention quickly is I feel like he only took those three quotes because those were the only three He can mine. Oh that video. That's the impression I get if someone fucking summarizes a one-hour video with three quotes I'd be like I wonder Yeah, I wonder The deadline was coming up. He had to get this out. He didn't have time to fully debunk the second video He didn't even blur his shadows. It was in the design document He didn't even do anything with the fucking first one, man On the mind and writing of ameel paglia rillo This also means kurtosis is making decent money off of emil's name Are we gonna talk about how much ameel makes off of his shitty fucking writing? No, we don't need to talk about that That would be rude money on youtube. Let's hope this video is unmonetized as As many people should be pointing it as well as someone has there it is. It's like, oh, this is what bothers you, huh? Thank you for watching. If you like this video, please subscribe. Yeah, oh the smoking gun Wait other youtubers get to make money for their opinions. Wow So that is kind that is kind of the part of the theory is um He's quite jealous of us and that's why he's putting us on blast because we are smaller than him But we're having more kind of success than he is right now Yeah, well, you're also mean so true. I have I have profiting on misery Misery makes them the most angry is being successful. There's nothing that can actually make them angrier than you just being successful So another rule for the list. He can never ask for subscribers again. Okay Well, if you want to be a good person, yeah Be honest, I wasn't a fan Now I'm mostly focusing on final damning different ameel critics and we've now covered the damning indictment that this guy doesn't Isn't a fan of you Right, I do find that funny. He keeps putting you front and center of this sequence like we Yes, now this is something that's probably worth I know that we jumped portions But how much of the video was actually dealt with like the nature of the writing in these games? Zero that that's not part of his argumentation process I but I mean surely it has to be because no because it would be obliterated. How could any of this be? Yeah, that's the thing like how could any of this be effective as a Like oh see look at how the story against this one was propagated But how would that be possible if the writing was like excellent and everybody felt that way? He showed 20 seconds of starfield and I wanted to throw up I like I guess that's what I'm finding fascinating is surely a big part of this conversation has to be Yeah, but what's the deal with the writing? Is it is it good or bad? No, we're just mean They are pretty mean I will say pretty mean One of them said something like No shit Sherlock, that's one of the most offensive things you can say isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's comparing someone to Sherlock Holmes. It's a cultural appropriation of his culture. Mm-hmm I just is uh now because again, I'm not super familiar with the Bethesda Law, but uh, I remember that Fallout 4 had the uh, the the dialogue wheel where it would just have like, yes, no Like it had like the one word summary compared to the older games where they had full Sentences that you could see. Whoa. Yeah, it was who was who was responsible for that change He talks about that in the talk Oh, he talks about how that was a good idea. Yes Weird because the internet talks about how that was the shittiest fucking thing He does not explain why he does not explain why he simply says that it was necessary Okay, I mean not to make a big It had to be done Showing the whole sentence is really helpful to the player so that you avoid the situations like in mass effects Where you pick a choice and then shepard says something where you're like, whoa, wait a minute What's interesting is that one of the most popular fallout for mods is Them just having the whole lines of what you're gonna say It just like it changes it back to what it used to be You know that was one of joseph anderson's points was if you use that mod it becomes quite transparent Um, just some of the poor quality of the game because there's quests where all four of the options are actually the same dialogue line Oof People say yes sarcastic nor brackets. Yes Yeah, what it actually translates to is yes. Yes. Yes. Yes Yes, because you're just saying saying no is just i'm gonna do it later Yeah, i say doing it later is just like yeah, eventually you'll be back. It's a video game. You'll be back. It's a site quest One of the questions the main story you can say no and then your quest log will update anyways as if you said yes That's really what's the point of giving you the choice if it's an illusion. It's all illusory. You think fallouts about choice Well, I guess that's What i've heard about fallout 1 and 2 is that the amount of player agency is kind of staggering Well to the point where famously you can like convince the main bad guy to kill himself or whatever, right? If you have the right build I think that's where the meme comes from, isn't it? It's not just the right build It's having the right information and fallout 1 in new vegas. It is the right build. I'll be back Right where like where if you're paying attention to the story and you know the details then it's like, okay You've been rewarded so which Well, I guess the point being that all of this is going to be filtering into house Because that's the thing that I heard a lot about fallout 4 was that the dialogue was Not not just that it was like poorly written but that the nature of the choices that you have the gameplay portion of Uh, that system was really lacking and i'm just saying like Surely all of this has to be part of the discussion because how does the story arise that this guy sucks If his writing is great and everybody loves it that how does that story arise just because of a reddit post listen It's exaggerated where we're just taking him out of context Well, I guess what i'm saying is like how could it be if if the stories were amazing and then you watch the speech and you were like Hmm, how does that change to where you could get really really negative about it? If you really like the writing listen people liked fallout 4 until the speech happened and then they all read on reddit that Of course how people feel about these games is partially because it's not just going to be about story It's also going to be about we uh, we skipped over the part where he said that It's a Gundam doing a reddit reading the reddit post was one of the main ways that it propagated to But again, it doesn't propagate unless people feel that the writing is poor What if it's lies though? No, they just listen it's cult-like behavior. Okay. They're taking youtubers at face value And uh, it's youtubers who are knowingly lying and being evil retards I think I think that's all that's happening is that long away going on It's just making me wonder. Why aren't we talking about the nature of the writing in some way because it's indefensible If you included starfield in this discussion, he could not defend him Uh, we're so like so I guess almost uh as a summary. What what would you be pointing to in starfield? To highlight how badly he's writing the story I would point more so to like the dysfunctional design. I mean the story is a clusterfuck and I That's a lot of what my video is But I think that a lot of the mechanical systems not playing together particularly well is an even bigger indictment because sure The story sucks, but now I can't even go make fucking paper airplanes and have fun doing that Okay I do want to go back to the Fallout 4 speech system and just how fucking bad it is really quickly If you've got well, you've got four options every time you're talking to someone and if their response is let's say there's Three small blocks of dialogue that you get in response The first one will be tailored to whichever Of the four options you pick and then the other two will be the same shared between all four options Making the choice completely meaningless. It's just flavor Uh in most cases and in will talks about the difficulty that having to come up with four Options in dialogues would have because sometimes your options are just yes or no because it's just a yes or no question Then why wouldn't it just be true? Why not just make it two choices instead of four? Yes, they couldn't have assist like, you know mass effect has that systems where sometimes it's two sometimes it's three Sometimes it's five sometimes there's more than six There's the branching one on the left But I think that their system was not robust enough to only have two options because you never see that That is insane that they couldn't have it be two when it needs to be two That has to be four that sounds absurd to me. That's unbelievable for a triple eye video game Someone who's more familiar with modding would have to comment if it is possible to make a dialogue with only two options But the fact that you never see it despite their being yes no questions It indicates to me that that is the case because he does complain about that they had to write four options Yeah, it is as far as I've seen and I've seen Obviously a lot of the game haven't gone through the entire base game every single dialogue has four options Yeah, that's my memory of the game too. I've played like I don't know 75 hours of it um, and I never saw any options that were less than four or more than four That is crazy to me I have just discovered by the way fringy, you know that the image comparison of um, erin moriarty before and after like yeah, she has uh Responded because it's been heavily shared to the point where it was covered. I guess by megan kelly And she said Quote i'm horrified by the reaction you've broken my heart and you can believe whatever you want But there's no excuse for these horrific allegations the verbal abuse i've had To delete shame on you megan kelly shame on you fox news Um, I think her statement is widely like leave me the fuck alone Which and she says like the comparison photo is not fair because one of them is before she was Of drinking age and the other is like recent It's just awkward, isn't it because like it's so stark as a comparison And I've seen that there's a post with this that's got like 20k likes But like most of the comments are just saying yeah, but you destroyed yourself Like that's that's what the sentiment seems to be Oh, so was so Okay So it looks it looks like you know, you got loads of people talking about the comparison photo But the megan kelly, I guess covered it and that's what pissed off Erin moriarty specifically Well, I guess because that means it's got some amount of mainstream coverage rather than just being talked about in the internet Which apparently was enough anyway, but she said she's like she's done with social media And that she's her heart's broken because she'd like to reach out to fans with it But this is a bit of a complicated one, isn't it because I mean the comparison why don't they ever just take breaks Well, it's okay Because I was gonna say was the comparison photo like fake or something Well, so she's saying the comparison photo is unfair because there's like a 10 year gap between them And that one of them was that the one that quote unquote is the good one Was where she was like looking at her best of the best of the best of the best, you know Like with youth makeup and whatever have you It's just not fair to compare them sort of thing, but For reference, I mean, especially I mean if it's years and years apart then Yeah I guess so, but well This is what I mean. This is why people are reacting like kind of awkwardly because it's just like but it's clearly not just age Well, is that the chick from the boys? Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's a funny Senate. Is that the chick from the boys? That's funny. Um, but I mean at the same time I feel bad for anybody who has to basically just be bombarded with everyone telling you you fucked up your face That is understandable, but at the same time it's also more or less and in People who are considering that surgery that so this is the big this is why it's complicated It's because everyone wants this to be quote-unquote Discourage slash shamed because we like we among many see it as like young women shouldn't be convinced to do this Is kind of where it comes from Be concerned of uh, well, if that's the result then yes, they should they shouldn't Yeah, that's what I mean. So it's sad to see that she's had a horrific emotional reaction to it, but at the same time, uh I think people are gonna wonder what the what they're supposed to do about this Because they Because I think it's just that you figure the response would be oh, it's fake. It's like no, it's it's like it's real and you're like, oh But still that made it make it a film miserable. That's not good No, no, but um, like I said people have used this as an example of like, please don't get plastic surgery when you're Incredibly beautiful in a natural way or whatever um, which is like super common in hollywood, I guess because you Some someone's telling them to do it. I don't know Well, maybe if you think about like the imposter syndrome that youtubers feel I'm sure that uh actors and actresses feel that to an even higher degree It's like if you're making millions of dollars and you're doing that job It's like I shouldn't be here. How come like nobody is kicking me out of here And so I think that can be a root of a lot of insecurity Is an unfortunate situation But completely irrelevant to the topic at hand of which we're still not even halfway through so Let us yeah, we have to turn now that we've done that now we have to turn to uh ugly. That's on the inside. So Yeah Of the three Cretosis is the worst What a great line to return to seriously This guy would fucking hate us. This is not even a question You imagine we said, I know we said evil retard You he would he would be like, I wouldn't even waste a breath acknowledging eFap's existence. I I'd imagine he'd say something like that Yeah That wasn't a true response. You were supposed to respond in a fucking four hour video that took you two months to make Your summary is longer than my video All right fine eFap the summary podcast. Yes, it's very true. Is there a fucking drop shadow on a blurda image? Maybe there is. What's it to you? Final critic seems to have none of Cretosis. Oh my god, you can't tell who that is Yeah, it's not a great blur If you're and that's supposed to be like a big reveal. It's not really that I can't believe he's covering Joseph Anderson. This is excited Yeah, oh my goodness gracious. Wow. Scallograms getting covered Genuine hatreds for emil meanwhile a flying nun Shouldn't even be considered in the same category as these other two The white you fucking put his name on there and then warn people not to harass him after you fucking lambasted him It is kind of mazy that amazing that a flying nun is even being considered here for this pedestal When he made a reddit post You guys may listen. It was a popular reddit post. Okay. Well, it's not his fault And that's what I said was it's absolutely not his fucking fault and he's catching strays from this and getting harassed over it For no reason. Yeah, put the eight and a half thousand people who agreed with him put them on the screen or whatever find their names Publishers. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. It's not harassment Why isn't it's a Gundam on here either because he's the one that fucking Helped popularize this message with that 190,000 view video. So Well, what if he hadn't heard of him? No, he did he that's that's part of the part we skipped was that he uh, it's a Gundam reading the reddit post well He might just not like you guys a lot personally Which like as we've learned in the in the five hours we spent with you I understand like I get it. You know, yeah, we are even you will you will not be returned It was just a disappointed fan who let that passion get the better of them a little bit when writing a reddit post See it was just human nature. He's saying it now. But why why the fuck you saying it now half an hour after you fucking wrecked this guy That oh, yeah Yeah, he demonized him and then later in a basically irrelevant part of the video. He's like, you know, it's not his fault It's just human nature. He's he's prior. You know, he's seen it. Can't blame him He's already dead sir the town's foe the angry mob has already killed him Oh But people say like could you've gotten gunned about here if gunner would want to come on absolutely But he is not like I don't think he's up for a fucking potential 10 hour stream. He's not that kind of Yeah, he's well and it would also be like inviting asman gold on here. Like he's or Sarah like these are just guys that caught strays from this whole Ordeal, yeah, they ain't intellectuals like Cree retard and portray Todd. Okay. These are two Intellectual giants that are going to destroy star Star lame star. Yeah, we can't have gun tard and zartard on here. Yeah, fuck that I'm sure there was no real malicious intent behind it, which is not the case with cretosis Look at how he claims to be innocent The guilty party He's using his power of divination again to figure out my true intent. He likes this graphic, doesn't he? Where he's like, look at this crazy level of coverage. He made this in three weeks. It's understandable that he's reusing the same thing Yeah, he thinks he don't protest too much Particularly dislike about these videos is that cretosis paints himself as the victim of the situation and freeze Hey, man, he bought the game. I assume so Everyone who had to play those games are victims. Let's be very clear Dears, if you had the audacity to say anything bad about these games the amount of pushback and vitriol you got was insane Thank you by the way for playing this clip after giving him a bunch of vitriol And the weird thing is how's he not a victim So he's trying to frame this uh, obviously is playing the victim It's not really it's more pointing out that when you're critical of things people like you're going to get people who are just Shit on you for it. Yeah You're still victimized even if you don't feel that bad about it Yeah I mean if you want to go by strict definitions sure, but at that point like that's why Especially since he defines it as harassment So I was going to say by his definition Yes, but a lot of boring fucking definition where a bunch of people say they disagree is like I am the victim now I guess we're all victims, you know Yes, it's the internet and people will be shitheads about anything and everything But many Bethesda fans go fucking rabid when you criticize their games. Oh, true Are they like snider fans or spider-man fans or marvel fans? Uh, yeah Yeah, they a lot of Bethesda fans, uh, get pretty it's hard to figure out which like What groups they fall into exactly because there's Elder Scrolls fans Bethesda Fallout fans and then just Bethesda fans. So it's You know an Xbox fans now because they're part of that family. Oh, yeah Now you're uh, a Sony fan boy that's coping and seething at starfield's amazing success Sure, that must have been very hard for you to deal with But you do say on multiple occasions how much you believe in criticism and how important and valuable you think it is You even say as much in this video. Yeah, you're going to take your own medicine stinky boy We're getting into weird places now because like some random guy saying you did a Some random guy saying you did a bad job isn't criticism. It's just a it's just an attack I there's not every comment is criticism Are we running from his definitions or our own now because like him that's him being like, oh Sad little muffin getting attacked. Like this is what you just you said at the beginning for fucking a meal So what's going on? But if someone says you made a shit video, that's not a criticism because there's nothing actionable about saying that It's just a statement of opinion at the same time Uh, like I don't care. You know, I mean like like if someone said you made a show, I don't care, but I don't care, but somebody saying that I did a shit job. It isn't criticism. It's like, what do you want me to do with that? Make not shit next time. I'm not going to tell you how but do do it Naming about emils apparent inability to take criticism This kind of mentality is poison to creativity and self improvement Because it promotes the idea that criticism in and of itself is bad And so in that case, I feel like he was going somewhere with that sentence God this video like it can't you can't be this far into it and still like I'm feeling like I still A good point. This is the funny part. He went out of his way to show his stream where he's a vtuber. That's interesting Yeah, this is something my friend uh pagan pointed out when we were going through the video to uh script my response and uh Do you mean like this is completely unnecessary? This is completely unnecessary. He had to go out of his way to get this clip obviously and This is something that can bias people against me further because You know a lot of people like vtubers a lot of people really fucking hate that was one of the comments I got was uh, uh, I I've been alluded to to being a pedophile because I'm Playing a young girl. That's one of the comments I got as a consequence of him making this video because just simply because I have an anime girl vtuber Well, then you've been harassed By him Should be open to criticism of yourself. So why At least in my case, I understand why he would include it because the uh, the funny Was a clip of me being a vtuber. This isn't necessary. I think this is just like This is anti vtuber discrimination Which is what I will admit I am doing right now So I'm sure you'll appreciate my input I'm sorry. What do you say he was doing right now? He's I should appreciate it. This is a this is a key part I'm rolling them all the way back. All right. We're gonna let him speak for like 20 seconds now activity and self-improvement Also, because it's the idea that criticism in and of itself is bad And so in that case, I guess you should be open to criticism of yourself Which is what I will admit. I am doing right now So I'm sure you'll appreciate my input But yeah, it's a privilege. Wait what that clip literally had nothing to do with anything. You just played it. No, absolutely Yeah, I don't have a streamer as playing oblivion He included it for no reason other than to also include the fact that he is a vtuber If you are sitting there right now listening to this. Oh my god thinking about how much you hate me Oh, god Okay Has to hear this. It's me and you now never was best. I'm just talking directly to you. Don't do this. You look great Because he's a cringy vtuber doesn't mean that you have to like point this out in your video to try and rile people up against him He's allowed to express himself in whichever way he wants And how can a bigger youtuber do something so cruel as to try to hold you to account for the things you've openly said Everything I've said has been based on the truth. Oh, it's it has come from a place of hate Sorry I was I I'm sorry. Someone just showed me a relevant funny meme and I laughed at that I wasn't laughing at the video at all. What he just said was fucking hilarious, right? He just said like I have With my team I have determined that I am telling the truth and that I am good and that you are lying and you You are evil It has been determined by my me My team of me has decided this fucking hell So think about how you're feeling right now and imagine what it would be like Oh my god He's actually under the impression that you would have seen this and thought oh god I made so many mistakes and that now he's got you like by the balls and that you're sitting there thinking to yourself Like I fucked up and he goes Yeah, and that's how you made a meal feel when you weren't even justified. How do you feel now? I need to fly to hannah barbera over in copenhagen and I need to apologize to a meal personally. Oh my god, man What is this video? This is weird. I haven't even seen this in actually bizarre. I've seen many takedown videos in my time I've not seen this part of the takedown video in many at all where they go like I've got you motherfucker This was the one that we've established. I've made you feel terrible about yourself This was the point in my and private sessions viewing when he became extremely uncomfortable with this because he's very recently had Mental issues and so he's very strongly of the belief that this is a result of mental illness And I can see why he sounds fucking crazy Um, I mean another explanation is he's a fucking idiot Like this is something I could see like an edgy teenager thinking is is a smart and cool way to like disprove Like the fact that he is he addressed what four of your points from the initial video and one from the second video And then he considered himself having obliterated you Like that's pathetic even Consider it that he's addressed points because he didn't actually look at the argument I'm saying from even from his perspective. Like that's the best you could summarize it from his own perspective That he's a summarize what and responded to about one percent of your coverage How could you possibly feel after that that you've destroyed your opposition? Really? Like to be criticized like this Except based on lies where it's always hateful god. I wish you had done this to me Like how does it feel to be criticized like motherfucker really? I mean You're fucking jealous of this There is something fucking magical about someone bullshitting about you for 20 minutes and going This is entirely based on the truth Not lies Based on truth and goodness Meanwhile, you are based on evilness and lies this evil retardedness. Yes, you're a bad man You should be stopped you make money from this. That's not good very naughty. You're a naughty boy You're a naughty vtuber I will get you And you see it every day from thousands of people And remember according to you emil is the one who can't handle criticism I guess this is Yeah, he's assumed that you would respond very badly to this But I also I'm saying ignoring the reviews Sorry reading the reviews of a with a picture of a man crying on the ground and then ignoring the review No, no, it's worse than that He's saying this while there is a picture of a man Who is standing in front of a picture of someone who doesn't give a fuck about criticism because he's making money Which is what he's criticizing you for because he's upset you make and that you don't take criticism well This is like the layers It's like a five layer Cake of irony and incompetence. How can you possibly say these things while you have emil saying this? That's what i'm saying. How do you take this seriously? How do you argue against this in good faith? Well, we've been doing that We've been meaming a little taking the piss out of him as a way to do it because it's hilarious I was going to say a bit, you know, we're still taking it seriously But it's still like you can take a joke seriously I guess for us this is kind of normal this if you had said like how does this rank for overall you've had videos? It's like oh You know part for the course essentially What do you think rags if it was rated from zero to ten zero being the worst? Where does it sit currently? Um, see he has to think that's how difficult this is problem with this one Is that this is starting to breach into the bizarre category? It's well. Yeah, but like we've covered so many fucking bizarre ones Yeah, there are a lot of strange videos. Um, this one is is fairly strange, but yeah, probably isn't probably I was gonna say three four somewhere around there. Okay, so like it's it's special But have you had a one special? Oh, if we had a one it will It would be synthetic man and cinematic venom kind of take the trophy for like worst videos that we've covered You don't even want to fucking know but this is why i'm on team trap because if his whole point with this section was to make Cretosis feel how emil felt then wouldn't he justify Doing the things that Cretosis has alleged to have done to him to accomplish that goal Like that's why he's in cheek. That's why he fucked up so many of the arguments was to make the point like See if you argue poorly it could hurt people's feelings But there are people who are just like this that's the thing Yeah, there are people who are earnestly like this Yeah, sometimes hard to distinguish between stupidity and malice Is it weird that I kind of almost my brain is almost being like, I don't know I can kind of just see this as being a normal asshole in a lot of ways Like So far up his own ass he can't actually understand anything that he's he's reading or writing He's just sort of like you're wrong and i'm right. Fuck you Yeah, I think he's a narcissist and I think he's holding a massive grudge Yes, that's probably the case. Yeah, a lot of the people we cover think Too highly of themselves Cretosis patrician just to give you an idea someone's many people said organized chaos surely is the number one. It's like so Uh, organized chaos covered one of my videos and he searched in a particular timestamp hoping I said something homophobic And when he discovered I hadn't he was sad Yeah, I remember that one. That was good That's the kind of shit we deal with Yeah, the look on his face when he listens to you and here's nothing homophobic is just The injected face of oh shit. That's all I that's all I got. Okay. I'll admit that's worse. So but I mean that this could be a two then I don't know. It's not that low twos are pretty twos are starting to get into the extreme It's it's it's difficult Yeah, we covered some crazy shit Yeah, like I said Well, so just to give you an idea of what what's happening here is that this doesn't feel too far out of our normal That's what I'm trying to say, right We cover some I was about to say it's like that's awful. It's like I know YouTube is accept to piss Welcome to evap anyway video like this is a product of narcissism and since many youtubers are narcissists It's understandable. You're probably right. Yeah, there is a selection bias. Why there's a pattern here Chance to show him how much better you can handle it Oh Somehow I doubt this will be a turning point in your life. Oh, shut the fuck up. Wow Oh, this this will be what changes you bad 22 years old. He's like just he's gonna break into tears at any second Yeah, this will this will fix you This guy's gotta be what he sounds like he's like 22 or something. I think he's older than that Yeah I don't know you develop genuine maturity self-awareness and empathy But I hope it I just I just want never knows best to know that my team of scientists have declared him Evil and wrong and that we are correct and and right and and good. Just just wanted to know that Yeah, why didn't he capitalize story in his video title because that would be Because he knew not to capitalize and the end of which is correct But he didn't capitalize story Which seems like a really odd Like misstep. Why don't you make a video about him rags? Just about that No, maybe I fucking will maybe I will make a video about how to properly title your goddamn youtube videos You don't capitalize and the end of He would put it in quotes if he could because this isn't really about the story of him I'll pack Lerulo so much as it is just this is a story of naughty naughty boys Yeah, he's just fucking mad. I mean like what's the fucking narrative thread at this point? Well, it is difficult to actually trace this shit as we've pointed out many times. This is ill advised for a structure This is coming from yeah, because it's very dubious He didn't prove that he didn't prove that the uh, that the idea virus spread from the reddit post to Gundam to uh cretosis so No, well and If this was like a goal to better explain this the like a meals positives He's not done that he's just tried to go after First of all cretosis, but obviously the red red person and then it's gonna be you next like that's what it feels like it is It's not a celebration at all of a meal And I can't wait till we get to the real reason why this video exists. Oh my god The twists and the turns they continue to come Can't wait I'm excited is I want to say I was there to grow as a person Shut up man He keeps doing that. I agree. It's never too late to grow as a person. Never knows best. It's never too late Maybe it is for him. Tube is a weird place making videos is weird. You spent many hours working on that. It's not that weird Don't dammit. Just get on with it, man. It's weird if you're a bit of a narcissist Yeah, it's it's weird if you're a The way you do it's weird, but doing it isn't weird. Don't lump us in with your madness What's funny is some people have said like I want to you know, if he'll he'll grow from seeing this response It's like he'll fucking turn this thing off the second. He has us calling him a cabbage or whatever. There's like a just He ain't interested after that on these things. Well, and How did he not see this as being an opportunity for cretosis to come on this show? Well, I don't even know if he knows what we exist. I don't even know if he knows we would care Right, but it's a monetizable opportunity at the very least true It's his content or the the thing is you got to get in his head a little bit And he thinks he annihilated cretosis to the point that cretosis might even apologize and grow from this But he went back on that. He said that he doesn't think that that's the case He hopes it is but he thinks that cretosis isn't going to take it that way Well, you know, I hope Zach Snyder's next movie is good, but I don't think it's going to be What a comparison Okay He believes that all of the components are in place to facilitate someone's growth that but the cretosis simply won't because he's too far gone Like the what what are you showing us is enough to change a person when we just found it laughable and limited to The bill covered anything you desperately want to give your audience what they want and make them happy And you can start to lose perspective And so you don't fucking say I need this guy to like write his own philosophy book Just to see what it would be in there like things like wherever a video game is good or bad as this life or death situation Nobody's doing that. Nobody Nobody's doing that where anything you say is justified What but it's not Yeah God has asked Fuck man This money's worth out of this one really just a yeah I need to everyone everyone at home needs to understand this there's video one over here on the left That's a one one video two videos here. There's one at the top. That's another whole video Three videos there. There's a third on the side. That's one two three And then on top of that on top of one two three videos. There is a fourth video That's four videos. They are look how long those videos are There's four videos that are far too long and you know what evil I think we'd all agree on that These are evil videos. Well, look, he's got the patreon up front and it's clearly he's just money-minded Do they keep like a wizard told him that you keep showing his patriotic? He's actually going to gain Well, that's the thing is I've I got fucking twitter followers out of this. I'm up like 200 since this video dropped Yeah, I've actually been getting a lot of followers on twitter involved He's done more to show my twitter than I have Oh god That's that's like the worst break like like like exposed video whatever when they They just do such a terrible job. It's only fun for everybody, which is what this is so far So far, yeah And find perspective. Well, because I saw someone mentioning like oh, it would be funny if it turns out He's a fan of if I was like he couldn't be the the fact that he's angry at insults like Oh, no shit shit. I was like, how could he possibly like us if he could if this is a trap Which is I don't believe it. I just don't I don't think it's a trap. I think it's just a bad video. Yeah This wasn't possible I think when you say it's not personal it comes off like it's personal It comes off like I still think that matches someone who's just innately fucking unself aware Remember like the h-bomb a guy who has recently like got examples of really great videos He once said that the nonsensical world building of df2 is complete and it's incompleteness He said that seriously. It's like what the fuck are you talking about? Like people say stuff that when they write it out. They're like, yeah, that's it Like he just he just as far as he's concerned nailed kratosis to the cross and said, you know what mate? It's not even personal. I'm just doing this is just the first climax. Exactly His man is never climax in his life Good luck with content creation Kratosis did not represent a monumental change in the nature of emil pagliarillo Why the fuck did we talk about it then he said he was the worst you fucker Yes, but he said he was the worst. He may have had a low impact, but he was quite the devil. That's okay. He had to be slain Okay, thanks satan In the same way, but a flying nuns reddit post it In many ways kratosis was more of a system So what the fuck the reddit post gets 8 000 upvotes and it's a Gundam's video gets 200 000 views That's a big drop in the bucket, but kratosis getting 200 000 views. That's a relevant Even though he's the worst, I don't understand. Yeah, this is all over the place emil based sentiment than a cause And I think it's only fair to point out that he was not the only emil criticizer of this ear emil criticizer Fucking hell new genre now. Yeah In fact in a recent video titled failure of emil pagliarillo starfield and there is Long-running profess the focused youtube. Oh god another evil. Jeez What's funny is xerik has a very very nuanced perspective on this So to even try to even like take a shot at him is insane Yeah, I watched this video talking about it and it was very much. Um He's got I mean you can't criticize him for not having perspective. That's for fucking Yeah, when we say that he's evil and needs to learn when we say that I would say that his no, he's not evil. He's an evil retard Can be seen boasting about how he was critical of emil before it was cool And i'm kind of tired of bringing up emil pagliarillo at this point although that's the point of the video So we're gonna be talking about him later I just know that the internet is now for the first time as a collective waking up to the fact that he is bad at His job So not only do I feel an immense amount of empathy with this man knowing that we have the exact same fucking position with zack snider The internet is finally waking up to knowing that he's responsible of how shit his work is But secondly, whatever was wrong with that Yes, it's a very reasonable thing to say. I mean Yeah, he's been saying it for a long time Of course, he found out about it early and has had a platform for a long time xerik's been fucking talking about this longer than never knows best has had a channel Yeah, he's gone he's gone way back What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that? I thought that's what we were supposed to do I thought if it was outrageous, we were all supposed to raise our pitchforks eight years ago Even if you take issue with it, surely you could just say it's human nature Up to this fact, but for me, it's old hat doesn't tell emil himself went on camera for the story conference And that talk was uploaded seven years ago I almost immediately clipped the section where he discussed kiss Keep it simple stupid and used as an elgato stream deck button I could hit during live streams anytime the lackluster storytelling came up I could just hit the button of emil pagli rulo revealing how much disdainy had for good storytelling and video games My point here is that while most people are just now this year Processing emil pagli. I love that. This is the longest stretch. We've allowed a clip to play. Yeah, almost like he's completely fucking reasonable Well, that was about to say is like I don't disagree with him yet I don't think his frustration is unreasonable if you've been talking about how shit this contributor is for this long And only now people are picking up on it. You know, yeah, I understand. He'd be annoyed about that. That makes sense I should I should have shielded this video when it came out on my server I did that seven years ago. I'm over it. Yes. We have now got to the point where there are emil hating hipsters who feel the need to let Sure Okay, fine. How's that a hipster? He's just saying that he's kind of over talking about this whole issue But he's fine with other people Bring it out if someone but like if you said like what do you mean by hipster? And he says well, he's saying that like he did it when it was hip and that it's not hip right now And everyone else is doing it. I was like Fucking hell Compare that to the like this all comes back to him just not accepting that emil is flawed as a as a designer Yeah, stories, I guess which is a weird position to like be died hard on Yeah, this this guy of all people What this clip is I was about to say like you you don't even know the kind of clips we deal with on eFab And I'm like well, this video is kind of an example You know, you guess you do know No, but they had the correct opinion before everyone else Yeah, okay He didn't say that his opinion was correct. He just said it that he had it a long time ago. Yeah I find this completely reasonable that if If we had any of us here had made a video like 10 years ago pointing out something That was really important as to why something is bad and then like in the recent year everyone was pointing out that same thing How would we not mention that? Like it's the most normal thing ever. It was like now you're a hipster Well, and especially because he's a streamer he probably gets asked about emil a lot And so this is the easiest way to give his thoughts in a concise format that his audience will see so that they stop asking him about it The impression I have of Zarek is generally quite positive. Okay. He's not someone he's just jumping out of the first Funny that you should mention mama max. I actually made fun of his whole pedo hunt thing in like 2021 I just I just never gotten trouble for it Oh, he is either I know very little about him. I just know that everyone was talking about him semi recently You should watch nicolas diorio's video on him. It's quite illuminating into one question Did he have something done to make his voice deeper? Uh, well given that he's done live streams recently where he's talked with a more more normal voice I'm going to say that it's just audio processing. Okay, because I remember hearing something about how he had surgery done Crazy cringe deep voice or something. Yeah, but you can find clips of me making fun of mama max from 2021 In his whole stupid pedo hunter schick. It turns out he never caught anybody That's the worst result for a pedo hunter. No pedos. That's just What am I supposed to do It's the bad or emerald bad bandwagon for easy money And I even think he can provide interesting and you can't even care. You can't even actually care It's gotta be for money. You can't care about your series and your story. I'm just gonna say it Can't care about the wasted opportunities Of me of myself cretosis and xeric xeric is definitely the person who cares the most He's leaving out the part where he fucking liked starfield That would be pretty relevant yet because I think anyone watching this video would assume that he doesn't In fact, I would even say that this video is a good example despite how much I disagree with certain parts of it That said, I do still think this video deserves to be mentioned Why to me one of the my what what are you the fucking moral police of youtube? You're gonna mention everybody that should talk to em all he's absolutely that he like does his sections that Summarizes them in the most favorable way to himself. Look how amazing he is But yeah, sir, he needs to get perspective say it you fucking coward I was telling things xeric says is actually towards the end People want me to make a huge video hating on him and deconstructing the bad decisions He's made but again, I've had seven years to process that he's a bad writer So xeric says people want I feel like that sentence was going somewhere. Yeah Yeah, whatever man. We never you never get the you never plays the interesting people for very long We have to go back to the british man. You'll get me watch there To make a huge video Which I expect is true and youtubers do tend to have a good idea of what their audience want from them What is he saying this it's almost like he's a streamer But I was gonna say that there's why those incentives exist because everyone knows that he has expertise that relates to an experience Years of knowledge. That's why they would want him to make that video not to mention By the way that the video is now a hot topic so it can push him into a further spotlight of which they know He would deserve in terms of that particular subject like there's loads of ways you can Rate this but if you're gonna be like, oh see they try to push him to it That's why he would fold and there's an incentive for youtubers to do what their audience tells them And it's ultimately about money. It's like don't There's incentive to make videos ripping apart any youtuber that has any level of popularity For example, if I was like, I'm gonna rip down cretosis and patrician tv I might just like take clips from some of the stuff they've made and then contextualize it like an idiot and call Myself amazing throughout the video. Yeah And yet it sounds a bit like xaric's heart isn't quite in it, which is interesting No, he sounds rejected because he's upset with amil pagliarillo. Well, I was gonna say yeah, like we saw why It's that it's it's been something that's on his mind for so long He's talked about it for so long that he's he's not that interested in making another video on it That seems to be the perspective other parts of his video do warrant criticism, however And now there's a volume of unprecedented disc content being directed at amil pagliarillo Oh, great. So xaric realizes things might have went a little bit too far. That's not what he said No, why didn't say too far he's saying people are starting to unprecedented means that he hasn't seen it be like that before Why is that it's not a problem if someone is widely criticized for their shitty job Listen, he's gonna follow it up with the slammer. Okay. Okay, right That's what's there considering. He is the lead responsible for the game. He's fair That's the most level-headed way to say it He has the noble human take These are not monoliths games are not created by faceless corporations. They have Actual human creators. Yeah, we've talked about this the like any director attached to any film for whatever reason They still are responsible for that project. They can't escape it by being like, well, there's more than just me working on it Yeah, you're the director bro. Oh, like you're the writer or you're the executive producers We still give like responsibility where it's due And those companies then ask you to buy and even Evangelize their products and oh, that's another aspect when people say like, yeah, I barely any control of my projects It's like you took the project you were paid for the project If you feel like you have no control over it, then bitch about it quit find a new job Because you're not doing any of that stuff then you're making a choice Yeah, because that's what you sell when you're making a choice If a company hires you or like we've talked about before casts you these days for like a marvel project You are selling your name and what comes with that as responsibility for the project That's what you've just like sold your name for so Well, paglirulo is the progenitor of starfield. He is the one most responsible true fuck Well, what what was unhinged about that that was absolutely Shockingly reason that's that was so reasonable. It was boring as far as i'm concerned They fucking said that in interviews was Emo was the very first person who was writing and designing the game That was the only writer listed in the credits for starfield I think so But I mean still like he's he was in the pre-production with east fan peely and todd howard when it was just a three-man team Like figuring out what starfield going to look like what's it going to play like Um, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's a progenitor at all I feel like the hinges are working just fine. Not even this man is unhinged game devs don't make games. They play them Exactly The unhinged part was him saying that the he made the game Did you listen to the talk xerik? Also bringing up asmengold again xerik isn't without opinion right now. We'll get to that later Yeah, that's what xerik said to identify what it actually was but turned the emil hate mainstream Probably all the she might think the answer would be the obvious one Which is the release of starfield But if you go and actually check You'll find out that it's not quite that simple And that once more the real catalyst seems to be a person. Oh, no shit. Oh, who could it possibly be? I'm excited I want to know who it is. Who is that mean a video you mean a video game That you know starfield didn't sit down and say hello all my problems are attributed to emil paglia rulo It was actually a person you play the you play the video game every time a stupid thing happens It goes this was written by by by meal paglia rulo by the way Thank you. It's not my fault. I'm so sorry Sorry Who's ready for emil critic number three? Yeah, who is it? Tell me Wait a minute I didn't know that you were a doctor. I'm in this video. That was you That was you the whole time I wouldn't have I wouldn't have agreed to this if I knew I was in this video Oh, this is pretty awkward bro. Like we're gonna be we're gonna be seeing you get roasted Yeah, we're gonna do to you what we did to cretosis And then you're gonna have to think about you're gonna think about perspective or something. You have to grow and change Do better Why is this a music? This is necessary This was so necessary walking could have had a child in that part Holy shit Staffing's reception was rocky But this was hardly Bethesda's first rodeo. Uh-huh. They had overcome fairly significant fans. Okay So did they overcome it? I guess you I would rather use the word survived it Like they managed to continue despite it. That implies destroy the rose of it. Yeah. Yeah, it was and it was Fine probably could anyone it came out. Okay. Anyone deny that their reputation has done nothing but fall over time No, they fixed fall at 76 Sure, man Content with fallout 4 and survives one of the most heavily criticized and controversial game launch survives better. Yeah, sure I'll agree with that. Yeah, they survived it. Yeah, I made a fucking video on it Fuck that game is a great internet historian catching strays here I just find it amusing that like we see this as see this is evidence that their reputation shouldn't have gone down Unless patrician tv made a video Wait a minute. I'm the deciding factor my million views starfield video. They're like What's the dude on the on the um the space hopper that makes videos about hope Bethesda's shit Space hopper. Yeah, he's on like the little um the bouncy ball thing or oh, nicky jakey Yeah, I don't think he brings him up. But that was one of my arguments. Sure. But he still rips into the yoga ball, right? Yeah Oh Um, we'll see this the thing is I didn't I didn't want to know anything more about starfield So I never watched the nicky jakey video But I've been told that he does not talk about the behind the scenes stuff He focuses on the right now He's talking about how Bethesda have survived these entries and it's like no, they haven't well rather that they have But they've taken companies a lot damage But yeah, their reputation is I quite considering that they only put out a video game every, you know x years. They're really taking hits to their reputation Yeah, if the financial It's like a roller coaster where they release a game over a couple years and they're up and down and up and down It seems to be that they're just like Really steadily going down. We're trajectory. I think stop field seems like the response to stop field is kind of a combination of Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely If the financial analysis is to be believed They only sold three to four million copies of starfield. The remaining players were all game pass players, but not You know 70 dollar sales So they probably fell quite a bit short if that is the case And there's people smarter than me that are doing this financial analysis. This is not me making shit up Also google space hopper if you're confused You'll get it. I'll no. Yeah. Yeah. Why is it called that space? Hopper That's what the google's for Space hopper also known as a moon hopper skippy ball kangaroo ball bouncer hippity hop hippity Oh, hippity hop hop. Come on. Name's the gandalf or hop So why is it Why are what are space hoppers called in australia? They're called a hop ball A sitting bounce a sitting bounce Why is it called a space hopper though? Did you go to space? It's about it's about starfield which was in space. Yeah, a british company called wimbly Made some changes and call this space hopper americans called. There's the hoppy to hop I didn't know I didn't know all this lore. I just thought it was uh, it's called a yoga ball Whenever we do any fact is always a factoid that's new for everybody and we we just did it. There we go No definitions net wants me to allow ads. Fuck off. How about I tell you the definition of get fuck What what's the name of Listen, I'm on the edge of my seat here. Yeah, I was gonna say rags. You go on your adventure. We're gonna continue with the video Okay, you know, that's fine. I don't care that much if I have to scroll all the way through baton. Yeah But starfield was their first new single player game in a while and fan expectations were high Oh and in case you still can't tell by this point Bethesda fans and the community that surrounds them are quite a passionate bunch Mm-hmm. Okay. Following starfield's release many fans were left disappointed But there was a man that disappointment could be directed towards Emil and it wasn't haward. Emil paglia rulao. Oh No, Emil is not the best part is I have to wonder if he does bring up todd haward Like the this is how todd haward's been treated this entire time Wait, is that a mystery would pretend like it's it's is he gonna say todd haward and be like, oh, but you didn't think I'd say that I I don't think so because I would betray the the format of the video He's just getting to the real purpose of this. I don't know what eventually we're in for honestly. I don't know So I am I am gonna say I have not seen this part Private sessions had to tap out after the cretosis part Took us about six and a half hours so fair enough, but Yeah, cretosis. He he disgusted me, but I kept I was gonna say I didn't For the record, we're keeping him here just until the the people can take him away. He's beautiful now I'm more interested in that pigeon. Yeah. Yeah, he's got his little 88. He's little goggles on That's what gets me real excited. He's What's he doing? Where's he going? How do you know it's a he cool, dude? Going on Oh, okay. I'm I'm particularly 22nd to 26th of May. That's a pretty cool time of year. I think I like in that We're excited about that 2017 not about you not about here at all Emil's looking good too. Yeah. Yeah, he looks good. Look at him go He looks like he's about to go out on that stage and fucking nail it. He looks like a fun guy He does Todd is the same way. He does they I can't not like him They're just they're on a varying degrees of bad at their job. They're uh charismatic for different reasons a charisma take Um, um meal has an almost like I've accidentally become president kind of yeah Like what the fuck happened like a crazy technicality has landed me in this incredible position of creative power I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go with it and full steam ahead and Todd Howard is just like A creative guy who's really passionate, but he's almost like the misguided passionate creator in a sense But I it's yeah, it's not like, um That I can't hate him I can just The game studios That would be one Todd Howard. Oh Todd word needs no introduction. Why'd you introduce him? Why did you That is true. Why doesn't he just say this man and then show him coming out on stage like Yeah, just just to prove the point that he's that iconic All right, I should a little go follow the game industry very closely In which case Todd is the executive producer at the fester and was the director for the majority of their best known games He is also a man that features in many many memes Yep, and there's even an argument that could be made that he is the single most recognizable game developer in history Okay, I mean for example, yeah argument to be made I was gonna say maybe yeah Index search results on google for Todd Howard. I almost feel like Gabe Newell is like a an old person Yeah, I would say if we're talking about more memes if we're talking about more means I think a lot of them Probably Todd Howard good old gay Ben is a lot of me I think Gabe is From the I guess like the production He's also seen as like a saint like this. He's just never done anything wrong good old gay Ben You know, he can he can rest in his love gay. Ben. Yeah. Well, and And I like yeah, Kojima is pretty well known but among normies That's kind of what I'm getting at is that I feel like if you play video games and you know Like if you if you're immersed in video game space is then maybe he's but if you've only played Skyrim And then you play like FIFA or something I feel like he'd be way more likely to know. Yeah, Todd Howard. He's the Doritos of game developers I'm curious how many thumbnails to have Todd Howard's face in it for no reason Yeah, I chose nick cage for this stream, but Todd Howard would have been suitable as well For Hideo Kojima, Shigeru Miyamoto, John Carmack and Gabe Newell There he is. Yeah, all of the all of the normal choice are this is really because of meme magic But Todd has been around doing interviews and acting as the face. I'm willing to May very well be yes, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, for over 20 years This is the person it makes the most sense to blame for any disappointment with a starfield What? No, shit, I've blamed him too. I mean sure Funny though Like what about but I I guess what I find funny is the argumentation that the reason why he's worth blaming is because of how like well Money is rather than simply his position But it's almost like it's almost like why is he so well known The history is irrelevant. All that matters is who was the director of the game If you're criticizing emerald and you're too well educated on the subject and you should stick to the normie topics of Todd Howard I was actually gonna get to that It would be like you should be criticizing Kathleen Kennedy not riot johnson for the writing of tlj. It's like no I can criticize them both Like always Todd was Todd Howard. He directed starfield, right? Yes Okay But in interviews they talk about how he was more inaccessible on this project because now he's in charge of like a thousand people Yeah, that was what I was gonna ask is because like there's there's been plenty of instances where director then gets moved into Executive producer or producer and then they're overseeing multiple titles like me moto overseas titles. He's not directing Any I don't think he's directed a game for a while, but he's a producer on a lot of things I wanted to Todd Howard was in the same boat It's it's a bit of a mix. Sometimes he's credited as an executive producer like on fallout 76 And sometimes he's credited as a game director But he like for example, he's credited as a producer on oblivion But there are accounts of him doing a director position So it's just job titles that don't really mean too much because gaming is very new I guess I guess it's interesting that people maybe wear more than one hat Yeah, but what exactly is the point that he's making that you would that he is the most Blame that he's the one that you should exclusively if you're gonna Criticize the witch king you should be criticizing sauron. That's what he's saying. Okay I see I getcha, but people do people shit on Todd Howard all the fucking time That's the real confirmation of this. I don't understand at all Yeah, this isn't a shock including myself. Yeah, this is the this is the normal. This is the normal list of takes Where's my starfield script? the Spence Apologize for this Because I mentioned Todd Howard a lot in this section. Well, we've we've talked for a good like six hours Everyone appreciate little silence for a little bit I say part of the problem is that every creative decision runs through Todd Howard But with the changes made to Bethesda, he's an individual he as an individual is no longer in a position where he can be accessible as he used to be this was attested to um The issue is Todd became more more inaccessible due to the increasing size of Bethesda game studios and lacking the necessary Underline leadership structure to fill in that missing gap I don't feel like clarifying every single time I say his name that I think Todd Howard could have pushed back against Emil's impulses or trying to guess where the line between Emil Pacquihirulo and will shin was So I mean these these are all things that I've addressed in the video Um, also someone said you guys are totally missing the point of the entire video The point is to treat people like people stop spreading hate and lies to justify your hate We're not spreading He's spreading hate on purpose Literally treating people like people We'll just hold up a mirror We're like stop you use you stop spreading your hate and lies in chat and and no one knows best stop spreading your hate and lies about Cretosis and patrician tv. So there you go. Yeah, like we mean can't we all get along It was like malicious and shit is like it's actually awful and he should be fucking ashamed So no more hate no more lies That's our coping mechanism And I already mentioned we've got the efab science team have determined that we are actually correct and good While he is incorrect and lies So we're uh, we're portrayed by giga chads and he's portrayed by a soy jack He's the sad crying peepo Who goes home to pepe's dad says I failed The one on the floor with this bill that I spoke hamburger and fries This people did originally blame quite a bit And yet never with the same intense hatred that would soon be directed No Fucking Todd Howard catches blame for shit. That's not even his fault Yeah, the whole see that mountain you can climb there that's like what he said that he was he was correct He was pointing to a specific That uh because it's transcended to meme level that it now cancels out the real criticism at the root of it Sorry, I I hadn't seen any of Emile's tweets and I just saw that one in the thumbnail Funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development like bad start and yet they speak with complete authority Bad start. I mean I can guess what it takes to make a hostess twinkie, but I don't work in the factory So what the hell do I understand? It should work I've been asked twinkie factory. I've been asked to mention Um, there was a time where Todd Howard was blamed for the treatment of qa workers at zinamax that he had no authority over And this was in a prolific article on Surprised me at all. Yeah, I just find it insane the idea that especially the narrative is nobody knew who this Emile guy was Really until recently meanwhile everybody. Well, you know, lots of people knew who Todd Howard was He's exactly he's a face of the company He was the director of several of the projects executive producer He was the face and thus the sole face that a lot of people for years Were put into Bethesda and everything that they'd you know liked and then of course disliked about the company I don't even know like I don't know that much about Bethesda, but like this just seems Not true at all Yeah, this is going all the way back to like what oblivion when he was up there given all the presentations Look at that Shit in the closet whenever you're not looking and stuff. They're they're burning dogs Oh Yeah, she lights the dog on fire because she paralyzes it, but later she lights it on fire. Oh my god Why did you program like them like Todd? What's wrong with you? That's how it starts animal abuse What changed? Oh my god Well, if we're into emu's twitter, we can look at the responses to his tweets and see that they all seem to be positive for months Until december the 9th Until a little a little patrician came along Yeah, well, I bet I bet if you go to the google name search for Bill Cosby He might notice that there's a certain uptick at a certain point in time Yeah That's harassment that's just harassment poor Bill Cosby being harassed eventually leading him to go on a mass blocking spree And chat we have a kitty. I didn't hear about that Oh, finally. Thank fuck. We finally have a timeline. Let's see. We've got three events March of 2008 when there was a forum post uh, february of 2017 when there was that reddit post and then I don't know like december of 2023 Yeah, that paints the picture does it not those things can become things that people talk about Never knows best discovers human communication Why doesn't he talk about the spikes he got when starfield came out on september the first He got a spike there. You know, I bet a lot of people started talking about pluto when it got demoted from being a planet Well, that was just harassment. Yeah, that was that was the 7th pluto is a planet Fine and yet What is the stat that he showed That actually was just like I think he just named searches over time. But like how how many names searches Do we need to know you showed a spike? Okay, if he's getting one to two a week then him getting 10 is going to be a huge spike Yeah, no, we learned in the react was that um, you don't it doesn't matter as long as you see a spike. It's just a spike. Yeah, okay Yeah, I'm very curious. I'd like to see eventually leading him to go on a mass blocking spree pussy and so I mean, it's 21. Does that mean like 21? 21 42 23 80 Fucking 80 So when it says 21 does that denote individual searches on google? I don't know probably not There's no way because I fucking searched his name more than well, but wait as well That says between then it was you between december 3rd and 9th. So what that's six days Being an average of what he should he should maybe explain this chart I mean, what's going on here? This graph is weird I don't yeah, because there's no like metric for Oh, it's apparently it's that it can be a maximum of 100. That doesn't help. I don't understand Does that mean it average everything down or by percentage increases if it's at 100 is the max maybe that It represents percentage increases. So there was a 21 percent increase between december 3rd and 9th Why would I 100 is the maximum number that there's ever been and everything else is compared relative to that high point Seems like a strange way to do it. It's a percentage of the maximum. That's that's uh, interesting I guess not Okay, well How can 100 of the searches happened on a single day that would mean that it would be zero percent on the other day That means if there was that means if you were going to search his name on a day you couldn't because they were all taken I think you brought this chart up in the bit you skipped fucking. Nope. Okay. I saw that part. Don't even try that shit because I'm assuming is what frene said about like the 100 is just the day with the highest amount and then everything else Scales according to that I guess the point being that there was People Of the busiest day and we still don't even don't even know because if it goes by percentages We don't know if it's a thousand people or 10,000 or Somebody in chat go to fucking google trends and look this up and actually give us an answer of what the hell this means But this is a depap stream. You've got fucking homework I'm fine with him saying there was an increase because of the fact that there could be a Basilian reasons for it and then even if it were attributed solely to you It would still be about whether or not that's a fair result Like if you if you would arrange the harassment campaign on him Unfairly then maybe we'd have a problem, but you talking about his work does not mean that you want to responsible for Some random saying something mean to him on. Yeah. Well, I said his name. So people looked it up like okay That means that people were fact-checking and like trying to get information on the guy that doesn't that there's no Correlation with harassment here Shouldn't patrician be explaining this to us since he's responsible for the uptick Yeah, you should know all about this. Yeah, explain your crimes Have a timeline Have a timeline On december the 7th everything still seemed fine And yet two days later jesus quit playing fucking boy. This is so fucking stupid Everything's padded out with this from this point onwards just fucking say it on december 7th I released a video you already fucking said that this part's not me. Hey, just to be uh, Buddy of mine sent me this interest over time numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart For the given region and time a value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term A value of 50 means that the term is half as half as popular A score of zero means that there was not enough data for this term So like I mean still like if a hundred people looked it up that would be the peak of his popularity Maybe he's just fucking obscure without detail. It's not super useful, but I still get what he's saying Um, yeah, that's that's that's not actionable information other than just saying that there was a spike Yeah, and it's if it's by percentage it might not actually be that much Because if you google if or not google if you go to youtube and type in like amil paglia ruo Then you probably won't actually get that much and how many of the people were searching it because he was in the Fucking news for doing a fifth that's the thing. It's very useless information Yeah, what's uh, so never knows best shows up first then cretosis then xeric then patricians starfield analysis Then the uh, the the conference the amil uh conference in hegan flugan in kopenhagen And then there's there's the cretosis video again. The graph is good to identify a data trend. That's it Yeah, I mean it doesn't seem like particularly strong evidence You can only prove that there was a trend of information, but No, shit That's what this whole video is about something happened Something did happen Every single tweet emil makes will be filled with negative responses despite the blocking and many of which call for him to Despite the blocking Can we can we see some tweets you showed us like a ton of reddit posts of people saying this Can we see some tweets these mean mean mean mean tweets? No, I want to see what some fuck on twitter has to say about Now there was another event being his little rant, but yeah, December the 13th by the way 1.3k responses 1.2k likes like uh, oh 734 retweets That is that's not it's not unless you're specifically asking for responses in the tweet That's normally not a great sign Which we will get to But we can clearly see that December the 13th wasn't the start. Jesus So why is the friend who sent me this giving me a black person thumbs up? He's when he's a white guy It's just weird to me. It's cultural appropriation. It sounds like a marketer to me strange. I always do yellow yellow is the That's the color of the simpsons. It's the it's the lego color. It's the simpsons It's the smiley face yellow is all of us if you took all of the human skin tones and combined them into an average It'd basically be like a lego man And that that's why like a woman actually like Maybe an eight hour long youtube video That has one million views in less than a month and talks about a meal pack the arrella Oh, why bring up the view count? Why bring up the view count? This is well, but you still highlight how much damage you've done True true fine 68,000 Fucking amateur Funfield analysis a quick retrospective by patrician tv Now you might get it. It's not quick You know, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was just like well, there wasn't a laugh track. So we didn't know it was a joke It claims the video You needed to have like in brackets In the title. Yeah, that's like the crying laughing face. Yeah It's a lot of content to go through But don't worry. There's really only one single part of it which matters You know Eight hours is long, right? But you know if you if you take it and like you could listen to it in the background No, do the rest of your life No, and then you don't actually have to watch it all in a single sitting. No, you could I guess it's true. It's all together. That's means in some sense. You have to watch rags It's like you're a bad faith evil retard because you missed the part where he said Uh, there's only one important part. So Yeah He knows this because he Which is funny because he's going to cite things I say throughout the entire video Yeah, the one important part the one important part where he reiterates the one important part the entire video Even call it's a magic phrase. Well, but why don't we let patrician Why don't we let patrician destroy himself? Yeah, Adam Diving in starfield as a game requires three. This guy sounds like you Key words that are going to tie this entire analysis together It's like a magic phrase that really explains everything wrong with this game No design document So this entire eight hour analysis Is tied together through these three words And according to patrician tv These three words explain everything wrong with this game Everything if he's actually talked about the game and see how that ties things together I've seen your video twice um It kind of does yeah pretty much everything can be tied back to No design document a lot of it feels Uh a lot of the game and its aesthetics and its design and how all the little moving pieces fit together It does feel like there's no design document. It does feel You and let's um Let's say that there was one but it still feels like that so if there is one It's almost worse if there is one and they still manage to make a game where everything feels Disconnected and the parts don't fit together One might argue that every problem with multi-verse of matters comes back to them Not giving a shit to have a script before filming as much as like two-thirds of the film Someone might say like every problem. You're like kind of Not like every but kind of every Every single thing wrong with starfield according to patrician tv in his own words is explained by this Now this is a is there a fucking drop shadow on this? It's I think there is You can compare the top left corner to like the other corners and why What I think it's because he put it on the the timeline on I guess he's using like vagus or something If you put something on on one of the like the video tracks and you have it set Then anything you put it on there is going to have the drop shadow behind it Is it it's almost like at that point why bother if you're gonna if your shadow is going to be that like small and everything Why what's the point? He's shocking revelation The idea that any major game studio doesn't use any design documentation is Whoa, wait a minute. Whoa, hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up Hold your horses there Hold your oh, it's wrangle those mechs. All right now No design document as a layman sitting here in my little chair I I don't think the patrician tv means that there was no paper in which Words were written on that related to the game i.e a document in which design was displayed Obviously, it's just a short fast way to convey this idea and I elaborate on this I said to be fair design and writing director emil pagliarulo stated that there is a design document But that it is very short and he believes the game itself is the real design document which You would agree is something that he did say earlier in this video Yeah, so the there's no design documents anymore because they get outdated really quickly Yeah, and I feel if if you're starting a game And your design documents are getting outdated It's not that they're outdated so much as they're They're they don't have all the context. Well, right better. They're requiring of updates Yeah, they need which is under the umbrella of outdated but you know Think of it as um, like if you're if you're writing a a new book Whether it's a new fantasy epic or a science fiction adventure Or a murder mystery You're gonna want to have some documentation for hear all the characters Basic information about the character so that you can always it's like it's like a reference page for yourself Even if you're only one person who's making it you still want to have a design document But the more people that you add to the project the more important It becomes to keep all of these external minds from your own on the same proverbial page My point is that the design doesn't come together cohesively and my example was zero gravity combat that gets used almost never in the primary quest lines So that that that's my overall point is that the it really feels like the designers weren't talking to each other Which in a development like this the main means that they have to talk to each other Is documentation well Most unimaginable They are such an integral part of game development And the idea that a game the size of starfield could even be made without any documentation That's not what he said I you weasel you little weasel You're a weasley little liar dude It's just how could you possibly believe that someone thought that nothing Throughout all of the development got written down Well fringy fringy. This is this is called old school. Uh game development. It's all by oral tradition All of the all of the elders of the company would pass down the game design to all the younger generation And then they would carry on the game development and then they would pass it on to their kids So that the so that the company when some of it was maintained through dances If you just have this part Yes, it seems rather damning, but you're excluding the other parts of this section where I discuss these The the nuances of what's going on with this and I give sources of as to what emel had said And I allow people to come to their own interpretation as to whether or not i'm right about it The thing is is he's employed someone out of contacts What he's employed an interesting strategy, which is here was an eight hour video I'm not going to respond to all of it Here's a way that I can try to create an umbrella response to it though He said in his own words That the that the reason that what bounds together the entire critique and what is fundamentally wrong with starfield is No design document. Therefore if I can dismantle this central premise the entire video in in in a sense has been Uprooted and destroyed it's it's fascinating, isn't it as a as a strategy, you know, just Like fundamentally, I would just be like, do you actually think patrician tv thinks that there's not a single Document that relates to the game's design And he'd be like, well, he's the one who said no designer. No, no, no, no, no, none of that bullshit Do you actually think that he thinks that? No one At any point during the development on a game by thousands of people that nobody Ever wrote down what they were doing or what they intended to do And I include the sources on this I include the parts where emil says the extent of limited documentation that they do have Which if that's the case, then yeah, that's that's disastrous for this because then It's in the video that we do have even Like that implies like, do you know that you're you know you're like You're making a huge video game with a lot of people limited documentation and simply isn't enough I feel like you need to have like wheat weekly meetings or maybe, you know, every I don't know If by by daily is every two days. What's every three days try daily Meetings with your team to be like, all right, we got to make sure it just because this is a new ip Really big video millions of big dealians of dollars are going into this Making sure we're still on the same page with all the stuff that you guys are making We got to make sure that the guys design the spacesuits over there and the guys who are doing the History in the lore over there and the guys who write in the quests over there in the back We got to make sure we're all working towards the same universe because like Duh I don't I've never made a game But I would just I would just assume That's you'd want to keep everyone united creatively Yeah Patricia has posted Oh, okay. I didn't stand to that earlier. I was yeah, that's the quote I was just so focused on red You're so focused on the fact that retrition doesn't even know that they make games with documents I was I'm doing documentation right now. 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Yeah, yeah almost unbelievable Yes, no one believes that is what he means true. Yes, correct It is not Is this another meme? No, we're gonna fall into another pit of three levels of irony Get some perspective or whatever wouldn't just make something like this up No, he does believe that he's saying that and claiming it's why I clarified it That's what I mean. This is fucking balls, right? I mean that would be a pretty bold lie to make. Yeah, patrician tv Are you really gonna claim that they didn't have a single document in relation to design? That would be a pretty bold fucking lie, buddy. Yeah Even if you just remember I like how he switched his insane interpretation into a lie you told Yeah, amazing. This is actually patrician's fault When he says this is a magic phrase that ties the entire analysis together and explains everything wrong with this game Which is called a thesis statement. Yeah, that's why I refer back to it Fancy terms your theory behind how all of this came to be it's perfectly fucking reasonable Like I said, it would be the equivalent of someone said Mola rackens that them not having a script before having mom explains all the problems with it when There could be plenty of problems that could have come from, you know ineptitude from anybody during all of it I should be like, I mean, it's not like I'm saying it explains Absolutely everything There's a pretty good start for why everything went to shit in it Yeah, like here's the thing too is they could have made a 10 out of 10 game without a document And no one would give a shit that they didn't use a document It's purely cited as like this is the murder weapon. Yeah And I understand that completely. Yeah, it's not a guarantee for failure But like I don't know why you play I don't know why you design a game on hard mode for yourself You don't get bonus points at the end But the thing about magic is that it isn't real Well, thank you for that. I didn't know that Although sleight of hand is whoa Anyway, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but what is a design What is a design document, but what is sleight of hand? This is the fun part I'm sure some people are probably wondering Well, really it's a general catch-all term for any kind of document used during development Any kind of document? No, it's not any kind of document Well, if I had a little sticky note and give it to bob to say hey, can you give this to get some milk for later? Yeah, that's not a design document. I think just like the kratosis part This is arguing semantics about what words really mean Well, no, it's funny because He said any kind of document he's showing us. Yeah, he's showing us the description This is a highly descriptive living software design document. That doesn't sound like any kind of document That doesn't sound like any kind of document at all Might want to watch out for your visuals guys. We've said this before but they can kill you I would imagine Alma the I'd probably say the majority of documents at Bethesda are like boring legal shit and employee paperwork and stuff of that nature Most of their documents don't actually have to do with the games that they make Because I mean we don't think about it But the back ends that have to do with the legality and the licensing and stuff like that all the Contracts and employee, you know documentation must be insane at a big company like Bethesda It was common practice to have one large central document to keep track of all of the most important information I have a I'm curious if he's going to think that the design document is literally a page It is a document. It's just they wrote down on a white They wrote down the name of Kila city on a whiteboard and that counts as documentation. So Well, yeah, you're the idiot that claimed to the wise patrician. So yeah, you said they don't write anything down ever In that the elders of Bethesda passed to the younger generation the oral Except except for that part where I said that he stated that there is a document and that it's short And that he believes the game itself is the real design document and then play A game design document One really famous example of this that you can still check out online is the doom bible the gdd from the 1993 game doom And so Oh was an industry standard In the 80s and 90s patrician tv who based on you idiot In his video i don't had one so they don't use them anymore. That's an interesting argument Well, that that's the weird thing too is yes, there are studios that abandon the practice and there's studios that still do it It's not there's not one uniform way that they make video games I don't actually buy that it is gone from any major studios development It's simply changed its name or function in terms of how it's categorized What has largely changed is that it typically gets abandoned once they reach the alpha stage What I would yeah, but like, you know the nature of having a core set of principles or ideas that relate to like the the things that you'll be discovering the world or the what kind of gameplay That'll be interacted with or what kind of tone you're going for those things that aren't supposed to be evolved out of design entirely Like where do they where do they belong now? It used to be a doom bible where everyone would actually maybe have a printed out set of pages that they all have at their desks Like that doesn't seem like it would be the way that they do it these days. I don't think that makes the concept Like like unusable it would just be the would it be would it be not be like an accessible page on a website for everybody now? Oh, yeah Like it may well not be the case that everybody has a booklet on their desk That is like the printed the print version of the bible But rather that again like it said in the uh wikipedia article a living document Yeah, then it's something that's continually being referred back to and updated by people and discussed But like but that there's always going to be especially if you're working with hundreds or in thousands of people Keeping everybody on the same page. There's thousands of people that are Thousands of people that work at four different studios that are across the countries from each other They just mail it back and forth This is what I mean. This feels completely disingenuous It's like the doom bible a printed set of sheets that relate to a game that was much smaller in scope They don't do that anymore. It's like, what do you mean? They don't do that anymore. Yeah, weirdly successful. It's weird Why wasn't doom rated a seven out of ten? It would be like saying they don't do you you talk about rear screen projection in a bunch of videos And then someone says they don't do special effects anymore And there are any evidences they don't have rear screen projection. It's like that's stupid You don't even pay attention to what the point is But we already know that because he said that you don't even think that there's documents Which is like Just Sawyer in response to this because someone asked him said that they do documentation for their games Who's Josh Sawyer? Sorry. He works, uh, he worked for obsidian Oh, okay, I gotcha. Oh, yeah, I can absolutely believe like when they were like making new vegas and stuff that I mean that that it's such a but that's like the 90s or something, you know Yeah, yeah, because ancient history Doesn't I like that he's he's characterizing doom's development as like the 80s and 90s Like 90s sure, but the fucking 80s Well, and and we're looking at an industry that hyper develops Superfast and all kinds of technological crazy. This is what I mean I don't I don't like the referral to doom's bible There's something that never happens before and you know what he's thinking about is the bundle of pages stapled together and provided to each office chair Like that's just not of course. That's not a practice. They do anymore Oh, a wiki system that that centralizes information about the game that That's a practice design document. I was gonna say that sounds a lot like what I do I use a program called obsidian md, which is a wiki system. I'm gonna my documentation. It's an antiquated format But not an antiquated Uh design assistance. Yeah, the idea is taking a different form as technology changes and studios get to certain sizes And you can network and yeah, and everyone's connected on that. That's what I mean is like this is super disingenuous So using a single gdd was an industry standard In the 80s and 90s got him cut to black That's just a claim that he just made that he just said that by the way He just like said that and does not have any actual knowledge or understanding of game development any True not even any Not even any you don't even understand that games are created on computers. Yeah, you fucking idiot I thought they were made on rocks. No games aren't created. They're played I thought that they like they like heat up stand and it like it like has energy and stuff You don't what? Yeah, this is what I mean. You're so out of the loop. Oh damn single gdd is still standard practice But it's not For evidence here is game developer.com's guide on how to write a game design document I love this All right, this is all right allow me to allow me to read us a part of this. Please do Whatever you call it gdd wiki board the important thing is to have something that describes your game project Oh for jumping into production. Oh, shit. That sounds like the fucking design document That sounds like literally the state to the fucking part of this whole point The source he's using is equates wikis and gdd's Whoops Document, uh-oh, which begins by saying Some clarification before diving in number one Oh, let's just Is a thing of the past What no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no read read above it Yeah, there were a few points that kept showing up the most and I'd like to clarify some stuff that will make sense Once you've been able to read the whole thing. So this is the first thing that's being clarified Using He's saying that people brought up that they thought that gdd's were a thing of the past and he's going to clarify why that's not the case That's embarrassing Like I said this video is about fact checking. It's a test. It's a meme is it? Is this a meme? I'm a little bit like I'm pausing to really consider some like Jesus I'm telling you I've got insight here People have done this before we've had people do this before where they present something That clearly goes against what they say But they just focus on the like the one sentence of the paragraph that they like Even though the rest of the paragraph that's all blatantly on screen takes a shit on their point We've seen this before but he had to highlight it Yeah, but we've seen this before on evap. This isn't like unprecedented It's not unprecedented people have been this like aloof and unaware It's been it's happened and I mean it's not like the rest of the video has proven that it was not possible for this man to have this level of unawarness That's true Now a more traditional gdd might still be used in pre-production as a sort of initial plan But during development most big studios will use some kind of wiki system in This is so fucking funny, dude This guy looks like the mad scientist from mystery science theater 3000 I can't believe this shit Okay, so when I kept track of information I used to use a spreadsheet now. I use a wiki system Am I doing something fundamentally different? No, I'm using them for the same purpose It's just that the wiki system ended up being superior at doing it But it's still Centralized document I use. Yeah, I was about to say like how does this address anything by way of the claim that there was no centralized method of tracking the objectives of starfield No, it should it had to be written like an essay. I like I'm starting to I'm having a bit of a brain blast because like he took to what you meant as zero documentation but now he's taking the time to explain to us that they use wikipedia is because The design doc bibles that are printed out are outdated and it's just I'm just sitting you're like Why would you even bother explaining this? If you think patrician is so fucking stupid that he doesn't think there's any documentation whatsoever unless you knew Unless you knew exactly what he meant And you only threw that in to try and make him look worse that he actually is by far To the point where no one would ever believe that that's what patrician thinks But you tried it anyway, and then you move on to be like Aha, you see how i'm correct by slipping around the point and into like the the thing you obviously were referring to Like oh, yeah, I never would have it's funny because when I was making up like ideas for what it could be I was uh I was essentially describing a wikipedia that's shared like locally or even it doesn't even need to be locally at this point Because the we're so advanced all right doesn't need to be on their offices unless they need it for the sake of privacy that could make some sense but that um This this this would be what the modern version would be I mean if if id software if they had access to this back in the day they'd probably use it When you go back that far, they just didn't have access to all the tools that we have They probably only they probably only used paper because computers were a lot more simple very likely. Yeah You might have just written it down Like literally passed me the design document and You have to remember back back in the day you had to um You had to go back to dos in order to run doom. You couldn't run it in an operating system It was a different world. It's a shocking video like um In a lot of ways could be better could be better. Yeah Instead like confluence The most common term for these wikis is usually game developer wikis But they're sometimes referred to as game studio wikis internal wikis dev wikis Yeah, I could I could see why something like this might kill the traditional uh Game design document I could I could see exactly why because it almost functions as one or depending on how you design it of course Or just the name of the actual software The advantages of a wiki should be pretty obvious Once upon a time games only had 10 or 20 people working on them and development would take less than a year So one document could do the job Okay Okay Now so you're saying lots of people need to document that this just feels like the video is catching up to us Like we're like yep. Yep. You get there nailing it almost have hundreds if not thousands of developers Making a game over the course of many years Meaning a specialist wiki. Wow. Yeah practical than having one single big gdd That's still a document. Yep. God damn document I'm just shocked that many people wasted their time on that fucking turd of the game But again, Prodition TV doesn't seem to know any of this And yet that sure won't stop him from making a lot of assumptions about the lack of a gdd at Bethesda I like that. He's not played any more of my video After all you said that this was what could uh that binds the entire analysis together Why didn't I stop the video there if I had just nailed it so fundamentally that You know, that's uh, that's a good point And it's been brought up before but it is kind of funny that we're never going to get to whether or not His writing contributions were fucking bad or not Well, yeah, because it's not about emil anymore. No, it's about me and your crimes It was always going to be about me your accomplices. He's just pretended up until now that there was some higher purpose to this video We'll get to those assumptions grow as a person to mature to get perspective. We should be thanking never knows best Also people are referencing sitch's law like the most difficulties and conflicts come down to semantics It's like this is deliberate. He opened with saying the protrusion thinks there's no documents done Well, and he thinks there's a difference between personal experiences and firsthand experiences So I can see how you would get confused. Yeah, I could see how What I would say is that it's a semantic difference whenever it fucking benefits him, isn't it? Like it's like, oh, you must have met this totally wrong thing. That's what you bet. You're like, uh, I don't think that But first we should probably try to work out where patrician tv's claim even came Maybe you should play more of my video. Don't fucking try to read my mind Just play the video the the thing that I made so that people would know that I was saying The part that clarifies all this shit real about this video. How come so little of the video is oriented around The actual content of the games Because it was just writing is abysmally bad like it has been consistently super bad There's a reason why people virtually don't remember anything for all the hours they put into these games The consistent huge criticism is the characters and stories are shit But we're not going to talk about that We're not talking about a lot of things. He's summarized the date our video is having only one important moment Which is summarized by three words Or Remember remember moeller was in patrician's words Fuck's sake. It's fucking 15 minutes and 56 seconds. That's the timestamp of my clarification Fucking 15 minutes into this video. What were you doing 15 minutes into this video? You were fucking faffing about talking about him trying to figure out how masturbating works as he saved this video Did he figure it out? I don't know. I mean you were showing us random posts on reddit This is a man who's never come Dev, but that's certainly not a crime. He is just a youtuber after all. Yeah, just a youtuber. Geez I don't like when people say that Yeah, but it's true. Look at him. I like it when people denigrate youtube is like this shitty useless crap profession Source a few minutes later Let's let him explain it. Oh, thank goodness. Thank you. All right. Design and writing director Yeah, he's got it Rulo stated that there is a design document, but that it is very short and he believes the don't you know These are archaic and outdated. They're not even used anymore. It looks like you know nothing You don't know anything about game design. How the fuck could he have that section and then show you quoting him What? Like how does that make any sense at all? You can't you can't rip it to you for not knowing anything Well, you're using his information providing The two halves of his brain are like competing over which ideas get to be in the video and unfortunately It's a very even match. So they both kind of win and Damn, dude, like you this is where I said if you're gonna lie lie fully don't do the stupid thing I'm gonna lie and then show you how I lied Well, that's the weird thing is he he omits the context at another critical point. So why not just omit this This is what I'm saying. Why show any clips of your video at this point. It's just not gonna look good for him Game itself is the real design document Imagine being a designer and being told to go play the game instead of reading a few pages to answer your questions This is woefully ineffective and can be chaotic on a development process Yeah, the design documents are only as good as You know Your follow through when you actually start putting stuff in game like And then he says that it quickly became irrelevant and out of date. So I'm getting mixed signals from the meal here Yeah Like this doesn't seem like the way you make a video game Also, the statement they're only as good as you implement them It's like, yeah, you could say that about the script for a movie, I guess But they still probably still worthwhile to have a really good script. Yeah The interesting thing too is he didn't he didn't he decided to omit this talk from his timeline Interesting the first time pagli rillo has discussed his aversion to design documents In the development of the studio. We don't have a lot of extensive design documentation. We found that probably after we hit Followed three the design docs that we had became outdated very quickly Because we knew we needed to get stuff in the game and play it and then change it We needed to iterate on it. So we would have these extensive 50 page design documents That were completely outdated and the time it took to maintain those just was Completely outdated Like I said, I was like you problem If they're completely outdated Okay, so in fact, there are three sources provided Well, then let's go through them one by one. By the way, where's your snarky response to a meal saying a meal They're pretty outdated, bro Yeah, I mean because he's saying that it was by the time they got to fall out three It's like wait, I thought it was the 80s in the 90s. Not the late 2000s The 80s and 90s It's the 80s and 90s and here he is saying that in 2008 they were still using catch up for her Before trying to find the real source So the first is a written quote from an audio interview conducted by polygon wrong Was it originally an audio interview? I didn't know that. I don't know. Maybe that's why yaml thought it was The question is how did you keep yourself from going down rabbit holes as you built out the story and characters and things that were most important I mean, there's more to that question Emil talks a bit about pre-production and then implementing initial ideas Before saying they made a detailed timeline of events of the universe before we get to the part patrician shows Which reads wait, hold on wait Wait, he I saw I I saw a line there that was interesting because he went past a lot of stuff We were running like 10 seconds. We can The question is how did you keep yourself from going down rabbit holes as you built out the story and characters and things that were most important Emil talks a bit about pre-production Why is it that part of the question that's officially part of it? Here's the high level on how writing works. I come up with the main quest the main story Talk it through with Todd. He'll give me course corrections will change things But we're synced up pretty close And then I come up with the factions in the high level storyline of each faction I come up with the cities and which ones were occupied Like a killer city is on the planet a killer. Oh, that's not very creative and shy It's physical waste, isn't it? High level pre-production when we start production and the other designers come on That's when I will work with the designers to flesh everything out So the quest designer and the level designer who would assign to the united colonies? I'm talking to them. Here's what the story is And okay, how we're doing this I'm gonna show like this before saying that It was so it's that last sentence there We're talking it through and now start implementing really soon. It's not like I'm writing a giant design doc. It's small Dude the the fucking references have a small design document for a game that's supposed to be this big It's not just that His fucking point to prove patrician a retard was that they don't do them anymore Here he is saying yeah, we do them Wait, we did. Yeah But then he's not doing one that it's a small one. I mean it's pathetic which is like the worst of both Yeah, we have one, but it's shit We have one, but it's shit When his claim is that they don't do them anymore Like emil walks into the room and flips the bird to both patrician and never knows best And he's like actually double shit It's true. I don't I don't quite get the angle because he's saying that I'm wrong about them not doing it But he's also saying that it's not standard practice. Yeah, I don't do it anyways So I'm right You're saying that they don't do they he's saying it's an outdated practice and they don't do it anymore So I'm right that they don't do it. Remember you're automatically wrong because as far as he's he's framed you Is you don't think there's a single document in the whole of the game's fucking production. So I think what it is is he's saying that it's okay that there's no document because other games get away with it This game didn't Yeah, I mean and that's the thing is talk about starfield go ahead Yeah, that's why I'm so fascinated by it like let's The observation of no design document. How does that dismantle any specific Claims that would be made about any given system or a quest or That like any specific component of the game's design Like even if it was granted that that initial statement that you made was it's somehow like completely and utterly that you actually believe that there was No documentation at all throughout the entire game How does this in any way rebuke any specific claims that were made about the game's mechanics and how they work or don't work Well, and he's writing what he's doing here is he's trying to disprove the clarification Meanwhile the context I apparently left out was roof of my clarification that they use a small document Um, yeah, it's an interesting strategy that never seems to be undertaking here. Um Let's look look. I'm sorry that I didn't put a giant block of text on the screen And I just put the most like conclusive and final part Hmm And do you want me to read the text on the screen or do you want me to listen to your voice? We have to assume that his paraphrasing is correct Before we get to the part patrician shows which reads. Oh, I get it. I should have just said it was true and not provided a source at all Then I wouldn't even be in trouble It's not to say nothing is documented everything is So the main source That's like this smoking gun Like that's I guess he really is trying to portray patrician saying they don't write anything down This is all it's literally oral tradition. Was that not in the quote that I put in the video It wasn't the quote, but I guess he maybe think I mean, I I'm not like him I didn't white out parts of the context to make a point I could have whited that out if I was trying to hide the context I know how to use inspect element never You don't even need that Oh Well, so they someone just said he has to be trolling it's like I'm still trying to figure out how he he ended up here Because it is wacky for the claim, but nothing is documented at the first nothing is documented I like this too because After the thesis part of the video any time I talk about the lack of a design document is like half punch line I'm just saying well, this seems fucking incongruent with anything else that's in this game I guess it was because of the whole design document thing. Sorry. I didn't clarify the whole I should have put that paragraph saying that there was slight documentation in order to uh, every single time in the hours of video that yeah By saying that Everything is documented And this is his best piece Again, I clarified this you played the clarification You're supposed to be responding to the clarification at this point not the thesis Well, what's funny as well as we already read the part above this that stated they had the initial docs the a small That could easily lead to all kinds of like excessive probability of of mishaps and miscommunications The idea is almost like he contradicts himself and he's Fucking confusing to listen to statement again. Look at the look at the full quote He says the game itself is the actual working documents when everything is documented That could mean anything in terms of like it's recorded that events took place Okay, and then of course the fact that he says there isn't a giant design doc where the whole game is outlined Is he going to highlight the next sentence? That's what I mean though As far as I'm aware, that's what he is referring to when he says everything is documented. Yeah, because when he said It's all like it was a giant design document It's a small document, but every one. Yeah, it's small document But everything is but it's also not all outlined like At best he can't make up his fucking mind and that confused me Should confuse everybody. Where's this isn't clear. Where's that charitable interpretation that I just misunderstood What he said because he said fucking contradictory things Well, so he said in the clip that fallout 3 is where they started to realize that design docs were getting outdated And then you show us that he said it's not to say nothing is documented Everything is as evidence in favor of there being a design document Who you fighting now patrician or patrician and emil You see what I'm saying? Like this is getting pretty fucking confusing Piece of evidence Now the funny thing is in context, this is not proof that everything is documented Wow, okay Yeah, not literally everything but probably virtually everything. This is really it's the modern day I wouldn't be surprised that every fucking click is recorded in some way shape of forming a In a development studio like this every email every interdepartment message That is not the same. What am I doing? Like collection information Never I don't have your fucking ability to try to read people's minds So I can't read anyone's mind. I have to go by what he says He's clearly trying Well to be fair You may you may have been made somewhat confused, but he's like even he's well down the fucking rabbit hole of confusion He doesn't even know what point he's making Look it started with of course something is documented idiot to yet design documents aren't even used anymore to Yeah, of course there was a design document. It got outdated during process to of course everything is documented Like okay Exactly what happens if you don't have a design document you contradict yourself twice in as many seconds This is not a question about everything or about design documentation No, it's a question about rabbit holes and that is kind of about everything Well, I can imagine your frustration too because if someone took to task like the one portion of my MOM video I talked about the script and they said like actually Michael Waldron wrote the first act well before he even got on set I'd be like really feel like you're not grasping The important element, which is that this was a horrifyingly bad project It's the final paragraph in a long answer about how they created the story for this big new universe So when emu says it's almost like he summed up his answer with that final paragraph Which is what you do with the final part of what you say typically summary Everything is documented From the content read the next fucking line Let's go say it does get more interesting god damn But it's not like there's a giant design doc where the whole game is outlined There was a design doc that talks about the freestyle collective There was a little design doc that talks about the united colonies and those that get updated by the designers as they're doing their work So a lot of the stuff is outdated if you look and so that's why we use the game itself As the actual working documents, which by the way is the fifth Different interpretation of what it means that this game did or did not have a design doc Which you know, it just sounds like there's a lack of clarity on just a little bit On the part of the what the design director of like exactly how they were going about It's so funny that he's like you just got wrecked by this one Statement as part of a paragraph that annihilates his whole fucking video like what are you doing? Information on the freestyle collective another smaller piece of information on the united colonies and then the rest you get from the game But Yeah, using the game as a design Dot like the working document seems insane to me because what if it takes too much time To get through like if you're looking in engine or if you're looking a game the other way To find the stuff you're looking for whereas in a document. You could just control off Well, it's so funny to between it made sense. So we put it in the game and well it was in the game So it must make sense The rags they documented everything That's true. I guess they did I'm also heavily pressing extra dude on that considering a lot of contradictions. They have in their games I do that. I'm seriously. I think it means compartmentalized terms He's saying there's a design doc about the freestyle collective. They're like, okay, that's good There's a design doc that talks about the united colonies. All right, that's good. Are these things connected together? Are they like as part of the same same overall design document project because if they're not then you can have Two things that might be Individually fine, but once you put them in the same universe then we have big issues If they switch to using a wiki then why wouldn't they say that too? He's still using the design document terminology. So I assume that's where his mentality is still rooted at And keep in mind that when he says everything is documented He could actually refer to a whole week's worth of work is done on a storyline And then he says a make sure you you log that and they type in a date And then they say this storyline was completed and it's like good. The last week has just been documented Yeah, there's no idea what he means when he says that everything is He's not good at explaining the things that he's trying to explain and it causes it causes confusions or misunderstandings And I think that's the root of this Yeah, he always does He always talks like he's guilty There is an element of why don't you if you really used a proper design document You're doing your damnedest to try and confuse That it was ever used You know like if I if if I was if I was hired to clean a bathroom, right? And I didn't use soap and I should have used soap and most people know to use soap because soap It really brings the room together And then someone came into check and said, I don't know Did you did you use soap and when you cleaned it because this doesn't seem all that clean and everything I'm like, no, no, no, it's well. I use I used a little but it's it's not really You know, I really like not a lot, you know, I didn't use a lot of soap, but I had a little I wrote my script in the wiki software I guess it's not it's not a script anymore if it's in the wiki software The video the video is the Script, yeah, the video the video is the document. Yeah. Yeah It's I mean, that's how some youtubers do it. They just build the video as they go Hi Yeah, kind of and some like some people can do that to varying degrees and it depends on the scope of your project If it's a small video that's more as freeform and opinion based then, you know, that's fine It's not going to be an issue. But if you're making a big review for a video game then You you have to make sure that you don't confuse yourself because you can't remember everything Like I said before if you're writing a new book if you're writing a story Well, I was like, oh, uh, look at me. I'm jr. Tolkien. Oh, does I gotta? I gotta have my design document for the elves and their language and the doors and the hobbits and I got the history done over here and I got holy is what happens I got this all in the thing that I written down so I don't confuse myself or make contradictions It's the same thing for a youtube video Especially a long one that's got a lot of references and information If you don't have a really good memory, you can confuse yourself In fact that this means that every part of a law and story is documented because that's what's being discussed And even though the rest of that paragraph does not make that makes it clear that it's not the case Yeah, and just because you save something doesn't mean that all of the other departments and people who need to see it That doesn't mean that they're not they're they're gonna magically have access to it Yeah You have to save it and you also have to put it in a format that can be shared and expanded upon by everyone else That's my final on your workstation Are the gameplay programmers talking to the quest writers Well, yeah, the gameplay of programmers implemented at a zero gravity combat system that the writers never used Yeah, like is everybody speaking so everybody in the same are they are they speaking in a language that essentially everybody can understand depending on what their task is within the studio Bill Ben says that there is no giant design document containing everything Which is industry standards because modern games are too big for one bro. You need to stick You need to stick to one narrative. You can't keep switching Once again a game that a game that was wildly successful But you can't you can't talk about modern games and then go to the doom bible Yeah, that was his point earlier was that it was outdated He can if he keeps trading between one of five different positions that he's defending against patrician's position Which doesn't make any sense like it's several of these positions go against what amila said So I don't even understand what he's doing Which personality is arguing this point? Not sure. Oh, it's the crazy one. It's the crazy one. They're all the crazy one. I know He then mentions two specific design documents They had for two in-game facts What a loser when these are so outdated that if you thought they were used you'd show you clearly know nothing about design Two documents As you forgot that he said that That your claim that there should have been a design doc was Evidence that you know nothing about design and he is now talking about the two design docs that existed in this project Yes, that was my whole point earlier is that he's disproving me by proving me that they did It's so fucking confusing. I need a fucking flowchart just to keep up with three. He doesn't remember what like you can't Can't criticize them for being so stupid. They couldn't have realized the thing It's so smart that they over-realized the thing. You're like what is you have you can't go with both of those Saying these get updated by designers during production. So the initial documentation becomes outdated Though and the last line could support the idea of no documentation of Bethesda Even he started to recognize the problem. He's like wait This is the point where you realize I I might not know what the fuck is happening over at Bethesda and maybe that's kind of the problem Reference is something we'll get too shortly Still at least there is some ambiguity to this answer At least how can you admit that after all those fucking strong statements you made? I thought you had in the in the I thought you had a slam dunk there champ. What do you mean? Damn And we have to remember that patrician tv likely knows very little about game development Unlike me never knows the best What a mind reader Yeah, unlike me a guy that read wick A guy that read fucking wikipedia and probably just googled design document and found the first thing that Kind of sounded like it agreed with him even though it didn't you know it didn't and I showed that for everyone I would have to agree that he did a process like that because he keeps switching his arguments based on like further googling He keeps changing it Yeah, it's like it was written as he was Updating his design He's putting this together as he's uh as he's talking like Which decided to make a full video with no design document makes it easier for him to accidentally misinterpret things So we shouldn't be too harsh just yet And there are two. Oh, this is okay The cell that was a quote from a charity stream featuring By the way, this this whole thing about oh patrician doesn't know anything about game design Like i'm pretty sure that never know but knows best was making fun of critosis for By saying critosis was like a self like he's supposed to be like an expert He would claim that he was a Self-styled expert is like, I don't know. I'm getting those vibes Of you saying something along those lines and he pulled the same card on critosis of like Let's be chill everyone. They could be retarded. Like he could be evil, but he could be retarded. Yeah. Thanks, man Um, just a quick anecdote. Uh, I was in college for a short time in 2011 for video game design And back then they were talking about you need to make documents to document your shit when making your game Well, I can believe it 100 you studied game design in college otherwise You studied game design in college. I studied game design in college briefly, too Um, I've played video games sometimes Yeah, I wrote about the topic and I uh got several textbooks and back then I mean Uh, the textbooks were written like fucking by uh psychology majors and stuff because game design majors just didn't exist Yeah, I would imagine so well, uh, here's the thing you you say like, oh Games are docks. So first of all, they don't they're not an industry anymore. They're completely outdated and secondly They have them but they get outdated during production and thirdly They do have them lots of them and they're updated throughout and fourthly the game itself is the actual living design doc I'll have you know and fifthly everything is documented. So I'm glad you're keeping literally everything is documented. Okay How the fuck can you have those five defenses at the same time? You're a clown. Oh, shit. I used to sleep I'm sorry The circus as a person of circus He is indeed Designers of starfield The question asked was what advice would you give to your younger self? And this is lead quest designer will shen's answer. All right, right, you know play the game All right, why are we hearing most shens answer? We're not we're looking at something really quick because we have to address that this thing has been made Um, all right, so Beowyn's up to his old day the beowyn Beowyn made Beowyn did a thing and I I just want to make sure Before oh, I'm being I'm being called on the telephone. I'll be carry on. I'll Fucking pauses the video to tell us about a picture you can't post to think it's interrupted with a call Shut the fuck up. I'll be back The question asked was what advice would you give to your younger self? And this is lead quest designer will shen's answer. Okay, right, you know play the game Well, what I should clarify is this interview every almost every question was open-ended anybody could have answered Like a minority of the questions were actually directed at any one person Fair enough Play your content. Is it good or not? Right? You trust your trust your instincts there. It's important to button Things down and make sure that you actually covered all the corners That's what the checklist is for but the checklist isn't going to make your content good. You have to do that Yeah design documents are only as good as you know Your follow through we actually started stopping game like 100 I feel like there's argument six by the way right now Like on top of everything else design docs are only as good as your execution, which is just like Okay, okay I should have written this down Emil discussing his aversion to design documents, but in context There is no evidence of any aversion to design documents All Emil said what about when he said they were completely outdated by the making a full up three That's all in this in this in this clip in this context It is what he said and aversion I would say so it's just like the point I was making was that he is In the modern day continuing this point because I knew if I just quoted the 2017 talk There were going to be people who were going well, you know, that was six years ago So it's not really relevant today. That's why I included a clip of him in 2023 still saying it That's why they go in the order of This is this is the interview that happened on the starfields release date This is the interview he did the same year starfields release. This is the old talk that he gave Sounds straightforward to me. Oh wait, I just realized it's only me and you know Yeah Prevent noises from coming through bear enough Says is that a design document i.e. your plan is only as good as your follow-through Which is a completely uncontroversial statement Yeah, but it's still an immersion Because if it was beneficial then it would be it would be good for it regardless of whether or not Whether your skill that like keeping it up to date Well, if I said to you guys like Yeah, the script's only as good as your execution of the script it's like Okay, why It almost sounds like dismissive of scripting and it's like no Okay Yeah Like I guess you could say that about every element uh in relation to the final product Yeah, and look as someone in the chat pointed out look at how they're looking as he gives this answer the other developers Emil is saying the end result is what's more important and his Infusiasm isn't because of a dislike the end result of fucking starfield Yeah, which you refuse to bring up by the way So like if he was right you would bring up that starfield was this amazing game Well, that's the really huge ugly elephant in the room, isn't it that like we all have to dance around the idea that Is never knows best aware of starfield's quality What does he not say it's more than just starfield. He's aware of people's starfield opinions It's also fallout three and fallout four as well though. Yeah, I mean You know, he's divorcing this from the games themselves, but if you do that then like I don't know. It's a big fucking part of this equation But because he is agreeing with his co-workers answer about the same subject Yes, he still said it. He's still being additive just because Just just because will shin gave the answer and then emil wanted to put sprinkles on top of that answer Doesn't mean that that's not something that emil doesn't believe I know I For no reason at all when I disagree with them Well, and he's his boss so So this proves nothing Other than that patrician tv is willing to completely misrepresent the sources he provides by taking them out of context Well, i'm sorry that Emil wasn't directly answered No, the question was open in did any of them could have answered and emil just didn't answer first So i'm sorry that I didn't include will shin in that full context. It was an eight hour video I was trying to be a bit brief Well, you think you're sorry now, but you're not you're not sorry Have you considered that you said that the entire basis of your video was that there was no design document And even though that might be even though that might be true. Maybe you should consider that You should you should have some perspective you and cretosis need to have a have you considered that you know nothing about video game development Yeah, well, I definitely know less than the guy that looked it up on wikipedia What looked it up in the first line contradicted his We can't progress however Because it's very important that all of you see bayowin's latest piece of art Which it is a very it's extremely important for you to understand that I did not ask for this This was given to me unprompted. Why is it gonna? And I know you might have you might have a lot of questions And I cannot provide you with all the answers, but bayowin bayowin made this for us This was made this was given to us completely All right Well, you know, well listen, that's a more coherent argument than anything I've heard from this video so far Literally This is a work of art. This this kind of design document Is very very clearly This It's really It's really incredible. It's almost uncredible is what it is Oh My face hurts from smiling. I don't know what to say. I didn't I don't know why he does it, but he does Well, wait surprise. Do you do you know the reference? Oh, oh, no, I get the reference I was gonna say most people have you who haven't seen the movie would know the reference anyway Oh, yeah, I I get the reference I think Three of us have the same pose All three of us are smoking while you're getting out of bed Look at Rax's smile. Oh, yeah, look at my smile I got a great smile there I get a great smile there. I needed I needed this I needed to laugh but laugh just You know normally instead of at This video This is magical We still must return. Thank you I'm sorry We got to get to the big punchline But what about the third source the classic from the speech that started this all Which petition again claims to be proof of emu's personal aversion to design documents Hey, oh, I'm sorry that I said that he was averse to the to the design practice that he decided was Something he didn't want to do anymore. I figured if he stopped doing it that he might be averse to it Does like Jesus Christ, this is just gonna be nitpicking word choice Well, yeah, I've gotten that sense pretty strongly But you don't even speak fucking americans. So shut up I How could you do that to me? In context This is one of the only parts of that whole 40 minute speech that is not about emu's personal opinions But is instead about the studio as a whole The only great games are played in the studio that he runs The studio that he's the lead designer for you know the designer design document designer One of the biggest voices creative voices at the studio, right? Yeah And he would absolutely be the person who gets to decide that I don't like design documents So we're not going to do them who's going to overwrite that the only person that could would be Todd. Yeah Played and not me Played and not me So this is a This is a point for the studio This is one of our models at the studio, but it has several meetings um On a studio wide level great games are played not made Means that We use the iterative process So this is not proof of a personal event. That's not the part with the design document I was gonna say that the iterative process and he's played that part before isn't he in this video He didn't play it then That's weird Because Emil is not talking about his personal opinion He does say that Bethesda moved away from using lots of extensive design. Yeah, no, it's sorry. It was the hive mind of Bethesda I didn't know Bethesda was a person who made decisions It's just funny because here's the design director on starfield The design director had no choice of whether or not they wanted to use centralized design documents Oh Like Responsibility at all like is if he doesn't agree with this choice No, it was Bethesda the designer He was Bethesda the closer This is so funny Documents after full out three in favor of a more iterative focused process for when she was also the design director, right? Or the lead designer Yes, he was the lead on fallout three Okay, he didn't decide it though. It wasn't something that he had an opinion on and he didn't decide it Like an adherence to industry standards been a rejection of them Yeah, but there's not a centralized regulatory body that says you can't use design documents anymore They're not adhering to industry standards. He made the choice Mm-hmm. Well, it also depends on you didn't even prove that it was industry standards because the fucking source you provided said Contradicted what you said Are you doing that? It's still still a trap. Mm-hmm. Here are one big central design document containing everything written before production starts Ended long ago. You showed confluence in this video Are you really gonna quibble that a wiki is not a document? Well, documents are just files. He's he's done though anyway because he said that you said the There are no documents when you said no design document meaning That if he recognizes a wiki is in use and that you've not recognized the documents that are clearly relevant to this When you said no design document then he would equate the value of a wiki with the design document Would he not at least somewhat? Uh, i'm gonna need the flowchart to understand what he just said You initially say no design doc and then he says ha ha ha There are documents silly and one of his many pieces of information include a wiki And then he placed the clarification and doesn't debunk my clarification That the well what i'm trying to get at is that he's equating a wiki to a documentation that would be in line with you claiming No design doc But then he's saying that it's not standard practice to use documentation So that would include wikis if wikis are documents That's kind of where i'm going with this is that he's he's cornered Well, if you printed out a wiki, what would you call it? Am I arguing with a document? Am I arguing with never am I arguing with no or am I arguing with best? I'm i'm currently tracking. You're definitely not arguing with best. I'm currently tracking six different and Uh, what's the words my brain is actually melting slowly victory. Oh, um Mutually exclusive. I think was what I wanted. Yeah, okay competing. They cannot coexist any of these six Which is pretty impressive to be honest with you He is covering his bases If he's gonna be wrong, he's gonna be wrong spectacularly I think that's the point. Um, this is the shotgun method of argumentation. We'll call it. Fuck it. I'll be right about something I still i'm having fucking ptsd flashbacks to his opening being they don't they don't do design docs anymore loser Mahler that was days ago It's like, how could you how could you say that part and we that all of this shit comes after it's fucking a real In modern times most large studios use a living document approach Centered around some sort of wiki a document where various parts of game development can be documented in different ways According to different developers needs and desires And but you okay, you didn't definitively demonstrate what you think I think a design document is I don't think it's like this static thing I just think that it's a way for he thinks you think the gameplay programmers Like that's how he's playing with you right out of it. I didn't say that. Yeah. Well, shut up You think the doom bible would have made star feel good Okay, probably would have you they probably would have One time one time I printed one of my scripts out so that I could read it Uh read the physical paper copy It's not a practice I kept doing but is there a difference between the physical paper copy of my script and the copy of my script that's now written in a wiki Is there a meaningful difference? It's a document. It's it's documents that are contained in a wiki system But that's still centralized documentation Yeah, if this is what you have to stoop to in order to try and make your point like this is that's pathetic I'm just I wanted to make a seventh mutually exclusive argument And we have no reason to believe that Bethesda is any different So three sources that in no way prove that Bethesda Different than what I mean it would have been I guess different than other companies than other companies that which they are That's be clear. They are No one makes games like Bethesda for better or worse That doesn't use this use design documents And in fact in many ways prove the exact opposite And three sources that in no way prove that emil himself has any aversion to design documents All right, so you've semantically proved that emil doesn't have a personal opinion in this race Okay But he's also Taken six different positions as to what the state of design docs are within Bethesda But but it's also funny because there's many times when emil does state that he likes that This is the way that they do it several times He states that the game is the design document in this speech and in the article This is like this is not indifferent. What he's saying here. He obviously thinks that this is good The way that they do it And also there's like hovering over this entire conversation is look at the game If emil said the game is the design document then clearly there is no design document There are too many contradictions and too many things do not match within this game It is the thing that is most startlingly lacking in this entire Video is talking about the actual games in question Yeah, I mean if the game is the design document Starfield Well, that's what you got folks And there will be even stronger evidence later Oh, why not now? Why would you start with the leak shit? Why would you start with the weeks? I can't I can't fucking deal with this. He's got a tweet directly from emil saying Didn't know I had to mention that we write and revise smaller design documents Say isn't aren't you the motherfucker that just said design docs are completely outdated and they don't use them anymore But also that they do use them This is what I mean they do revise them They are also he never expressed whether or not he was in favor of or against this new system Neither does this tweet say that he's in favor or not in favor of them, by the way Oh, yeah, because they are there and then the nerdy face. Yeah I have to pick a view as a solution Also, keep in mind This is all the evidence that exists online to draw any connection between emil and design documents Well, that's what frustrates me like yeah, we're working with a limited set of information It's so funny that he hasn't even acknowledged like what why do you think that anyone would be pursuing this like um To to discredit a developer and it's like no to figure out what the fuck happened to starfield To profit off it because I make more money if I criticize emil and not just I could have made anything and made gotten That the turnout from the viewer Fucking turnout from the video that I got Right. Well, you may have deleted the stream I was there. I could have just done a boring fucking Plot synopsis and gotten a million views because people wanted to hear Yeah, I could have just said it was all todd's fault with no proof. Would that have been better? You've deleted it now But I was there when you streamed the beginning of playing it and you booted it up and then you checked Who designed most of the stuff and said i'm coming for this fucker no matter what Yeah Every time the game has a problem it says this was designed by emil paglia rulo, so And then and then you look to your camera. Oh fuck. This is live. Ah, jeez. Let me stop I legitimately wish that he did that level of evidence seeking Mm-hmm I mean, this is an unnumerous interviews and speeches year after year since fallout 3 in 2008 We're talking about various parts of these games and from all of those countless interviews This is everything that exists to characterize him the way patrician tv is about to aming Is there more? Yeah, you the way he says it like oh, shit Did I miss out on another video where he talks about shit design? Well, like legitimately if there if there's a if there's another interview that we could use go ahead I'm sure the the Bethesda community loves finding out more and more information One description of Bethesda's studio wide approach One agreement with his co-worker, but the final product is what matters the most And one the final product means starfield and that's an interesting way to characterize that statement Which is the design doc. It's it's only as good as the execution which Again, you listen to that a quotable statement like it also sounds dismissive of design docs Well, and also the video is about starfield So why would we be talking about all the quotes of the games that were before starfield? In terms of like rc This is all of the things that he's ever said and this is this is it for the design documents It's like what in all these conversations related to when they guess that uh the speech Which would have been before or when starfield started development, right like 2017. Yeah Of some story design documents used in creating starfield's universe Still this all seemed rather strange to me because at this point down the road, of course, it seems strange You seem hopelessly fucking confused Yeah Been difficult following his line of thought to be honest with you, but we're we're still We definitely have not explained it. Well I was starting to feel like the internet's foremost expert on things said about emil pagliarillo online And for years, I'm being told to bring up that uh Bethesda has all of their employees signed fairly restrictive non disclosure agreements as well Well, I guess you can simultaneously keep that in on everything and throw it out completely as in We can't do anything with that, you know, like we have to just work with what they tell us It's it kind of goes the same way from uh Movie stars whenever they say anything It's like You know the conflicting information on whether or not certain things were planned in place for star wars It's like which actor do you trust and which ones are allowed to actually say and you have to consider nda's and Feels and something it's like, yeah, I guess that's just applicable. Thank you. Thank you private sessions for mentioning that Wait, hold up this last line will play it from till the third one pops up and over Text can't convey emotion. Is that what he said? And and his text can't convey emotion quotes I don't know the fucking context of what he said in that situation at this point. I can believe it Keep it simple stupid We're back to just showing random redditor posts, which how are these relevant? These are all before my video And racism is the the hat Well, you're actually you're a star born And you went back in time to plant the seed of emeel. Hey, yeah, I I am actually a flying nun A flying nun actually kind of describes what To do with design documents Unlike things like keep it simple stupid or the paper aeroplanes that were repeated constantly Yeah, but those are shit and yet Well As so I should I should have mentioned the popular points But also just some of these quotes could work with a wider context that could maybe inform the value of them But when you see the work that's produced from these quotes, you're like, um The only thing I would bring up the paper airplanes thing for for starfield would be like Maybe they gem to the outpost system so that people wouldn't make paper airplanes in starfield Like that's that's the only relevance I can think of for why I would include that particular part Like is he gonna police me for the things I didn't include I wouldn't be surprised There was one single example I remembered seeing before patrician tv of someone attacking emeel over his neglect of design documents Here we go. And yes, it was someone we are already familiar with Resident emeel expert Who criticized the design doc part of the original speech in the same way that he criticized every single thing about that speech Badly and wrongly Yeah, but that shit is in the comments of that youtube video presentation from six seven years ago It's all there the original shit is on the comments of that video It's brief acknowledgment, but it's all misrepresented rags All those comments that had their own fucking perspective and were supported by other people who'd seen the video All that's irrelevant because these people poisoned it Well, and there's this there's this very simple explanation Which is that I read the thing he said on kataku and it made me think of the presentation No, that doesn't make any sense Into the existence of danmark Yes, I guess I was wrong. Sorry cretosis You were influential after all Because it seems like you might have influenced the petition to you All right, so uh to this uh in my response video. I pointed out that I had referenced this talk Four days before cretosis's first stream on it No, but I actually found it earlier. This is the only thing I've got There's actually an earlier example. I um I streamed a reaction to this presentation Four months before cretosis did I'll uh, I'll link the stream So cretosis stole it from you So you could steal it from him. Yeah. Yeah So he was right. He just forgot it's like it's like tim and he had to he had to get cretosis it so that he Could steal it from cretosis. So you know, so you have to go back in time and Sort that out. What is that? What is that woman? This is just a random picture from the steam page For oblivion But it's like okay come a long way Yeah Well, okay, so his whole point is that I'm copying the design document thing like specifically So he's not saying that I got it from That I got the talk from it, but it's like Where's the charitability here? Legitimately I read the no design document thing in the kataku article. It made me think of the talk presentation. It made me think of the The fall at 76 charity stream And that's how I tied all of these disparate ideas together into that that argument Why over complicate it? Why come up with this fucking weird conspiracy theory of who got this idea from who and who figured it out from who? One of two people read the same information and came away with similar conclusions Yeah, there's that or they're in a fucking discord group and they're planning all of this from the get go They were like that a meal guy. It's time for his downfall I think there was like a total of like eight messages exchanged between me and cretosis in the entire time that we've been in each other's DMs So a conspiracy But you're saying that you have prior contact with the Four of those messages were were about a fellow named acerthorn and the other four were about somebody that was harassing cretosis That was in my stream chat. You guys have exchanged messages with intent to destroy people's lives. That's what you're saying. Yes bigger Here's what cretosis said The design docs that we had became outdated very quickly Funny that around the time their game started getting significantly worse is around the time they abandoned documentation We would have these extensive now. Here's the entire problem with this approach cretosis was uh Extensive with his analysis of this talk. He talked about you talked about all the points that were brought up in this presentation So if I talk about anything that comes from this presentation, I'm going to be talking about something that you talked about Yeah, and there's the possibility that we might come to similar conclusions because this talk is fucking garbage There are people in this world who believe that because all across different human civilizations We've built similar looking structures that must mean that there are aliens that are teaching us how to build things And i'm kind of getting that vibe from never knows best Yeah, it's like how every ancient society. I shouldn't say every but most of them created bows and arrows It's like how did everyone did you think every they learned it from each other out how to make alcohol? Yeah, yeah, it seems like yeah everyone kind of yeah everyone likes that so they you know Yeah, I figured no they wanted to kill someone 100 meters away, so they invented a True 50 page design documents that were completely outdated and the time it took to maintain those just wasn't worth it Man, I don't know starfield maybe if you had documented things properly You wouldn't have so many issues in your games This doesn't even have to be super super professional tees crossed an ice dotted type documentation Just make sure you're taking notes on what you're doing So everyone else on the project knows what's being done and added to the game. See I said something similar And also yeah, this could be just an issue with their execution You might just they might just be really shit at making design documents But you know what I said, you know what I made an offhand joke about skill saying where I said skill issue Yeah, that's the smoking gun right there see Or had proper documentation it would fix a significant chunk of their issues It would be far more coherent than it is now. Hmm. This does sound a lot like patrician tv's interpretation But could this just be are you gonna play it? Are you even gonna play it? Ptosis isn't a very big youtuber. So how do we know patrician tv actually saw this? I don't actually so here's the big reveal. I don't think it matters if you got the insight from another video Also, yeah, I guess the underlying element is so what if he did? It's that I can sense I can sense. I don't meme where fucking Ptosis can sense and I can sense but never knows best. He does not consent If you didn't come up with that on your own Not allowed Or even knows who he is Well in patrician skyrim analysis, he says for the best skyrim video on youtube is his podcast co-host video Excuse me. He's my husband. Wow. I think it's pretty biased though Also, let's be honest. What's the higher rank the best video is This is like when you're your president and your general, you know, which which do you choose as your rank? You go to his cares. They're both pretty high up. So you go, you know switch between them That's the funny part is too the context. He's leaving out is that the reason that private sessions did a good job with his skyrim video Was because he watched all of my skyrim streams and said holy shit. There's no good skyrim videos Maybe I should Go back and try to make one and he came at it with this new perspective of how he wanted to make videos And he remade basically remade his skyrim video and did a much better job of it Yeah, it's very good. I've seen it Seemed bad technically Is he gonna bring up that I praised acer thorns video too? I don't know but I'll be honest with you It reminds me of the thing I said like 10 hours ago about the whole not going for the garden Just chopping pieces of blades of grass around it. Just like are we gonna What are we doing here? I would also rate cretosis and g-man lives videos highly So cretosis has one of only two skyrim videos on the whole of youtube that patrician rates highly Yeah, they suck. Yeah, the rest of them really suck. Yeah, they're fucking garbage dreams I'm sorry that you're mad that I think your video is garbage But your videos it was rated by my stream chat as a 4 out of 10 Well, that's high for efeb. That's kind of yeah, I thought that would be lower Yeah, I mean like it wasn't the worst thing. There was a bad part that caused me to have a mental breakdown, but like It was on the higher ends and the thing is Skyrim videos are all fucking they all have brain rot You know, everybody goes in thinking it's going to be an easy project They underestimate the game and then they end up making like a shitty plot synopsis And the people I listed were the only people that broke that norm also I like to angry joe's video too, but for different reasons Bad ass seal of a buddy Indigo you're you're like lumped in with this, but you didn't really make a skyrim video You just talked about skyrim if we're if we're talking about just good videos in general I'd rate yours up there. Sure. It was a good documentary Showing but he does watch his content and but he thinks it's good. There's yeah, you've watched the single one of my video Yeah I have now proven that he has consumed the content of this channel and may very well have Consumed the content that led to a point of view You dumbass I watched your fucking skyrim video and I haven't seen any of the other ones you've made It's just What is this more rambling from ml? No, this is what it cut this is what it comes down to I'm surprised. It's this early in my section that it's entirely because he's mad about the skyrim thing Well, maybe Why I don't get it. Why like why would you why would you make this whole video just put you a mad That someone said that it's like a skyrim review I dreamed his fucking skyrim review and he's upset about it because I called him a oh wait. We can't spoil that Oh To each their own maybe ml haters just like to stick together Oh, and he's also admitted to watching creto's original ml speech breakdown video on discord. Wow and expresses familiarity Exposed leaked destroyed. Well, that's the thing is I did see the video, but like That doesn't mean I took anything from it. It was a few months before the whole star field It wouldn't matter if you did It's so fucking weird that we're at this point where You could have seen someone else have the commentary on a certain clip and agreed with them We also random server member included in the uh discussion. Yeah Well, what's the blank one though? What's that? I think I was shown the full context. It's just irrelevant people were having a side discussion while this was going on But the funny part is the other person he shows in this is an ardent never knows best hater What what a coincidence If it's content this uh, this does feel like that Corkboard conspiracy theorist meme that goes around at this point Yes, but it like it leads to such a mundane conclusion. This doesn't prove that this doesn't even prove that because I'm just saying This isn't a new video That you said that in the beginning I literally Moused over your video when I saw it in my recommendations and it like popped up the captions of what you were saying And the caption it popped up was you saying that this was a clipping from your fallout 4 video Yes, that's literally why I started I recorded that Slapped it onto this section and end up That's how I knew so this is this isn't even like as damning as he thinks it is But there is other evidence to support that this is where the idea came from as well Okay, tradition tv never mentions design documents like this from anyone This is not true. I mentioned design doc I mentioned I say the words design document once in my oblivion video and five times in my skyrim video Hmm I guess we have to take his word for you didn't mention. I was gonna say am I gonna believe you Or never knows jesus I feel I feel like I'm gonna go with him If his videos pre-critosis is mentioned of them despite the fact that he clearly thinks they're hugely important now And the fact that the original source has been around and criticized for seven years already Wait, which is in which is featured in my oblivion skyrim video How can you say that it's been being criticized for seven years already? And then say that you have must have got this from cretosis And I also thought he was running a narrative that if you listen to the original context It's very straightforward to understand what amiel's saying and yet it's already it's been criticized for seven years It's like what by a bunch of people who've got it wrong. Everyone's gotten it wrong. I guess what he says are there Well in order to determine whether or not it is wrong He'd have to actually Also that the story that this guy is to blame started with you In a sense or at least that it got accelerated dramatically I'm the most I'm the most I'm the most relevant person in the chain of events that led to uh, okay. Amiel's breaking on for some reason, but not the first He talked about an ill before this Mm-hmm. So now he's a recurring. Uh, he's a recurring villain on my streams. He's fun to talk about I mean if you watch the parts that we saw earlier, you're like, yeah, of course. He's fun to talk about Design doc attack might have originated from I guess we should look at how patrician tv uses it After all, yeah, that would be magic phrase which ties all his analysis together You know understand what that means like this is not some fucking crazy nonsense abstract thought It's just that it explains a lot of what ended up happening. That's the that's the impression I got from it I haven't seen your video I thought it was a bit cringe to just outright say that it was the thesis statement So I came up with a flowery way of saying that I must apologize Good And apparently explains everything wrong with starfield. Well, I dare you to talk about starfield and disprove it No, no, no, no, this is so normal. I don't understand. Why is he so upset count? Peggy Rulo learned to hate design documents with fallout 3 and so his next lead project of fallout 4 went without one So we instantly jump to emil learned to hate design documents Which there is zero evidence for and a claim that this meant fallout 4 Yeah, it's just an extrapolation based on the fact that he's talked about it so much over the years And that he decided to get rid of them. Yeah, the quote was the they quickly learned that they became outdated really quickly on 4 out 3 and so I'm sorry that I don't have a clip of emil going on stage and saying boy Do you know what I fucking hate them design documents? Yeah, you know, it's funny too is he can extrapolate something from you Yeah here, but if I do it to emil on the speech then I'm the one that's misrepresenting him and Taking him out of context and assuming bad faith or whatever. Yeah extrapolation is fine if you're never If you have a lot of yeah, if you've got stuff to back it up, you know, feel free to you know Say it and then show the evidence 4 didn't use one Something that is obviously untrue because even in the original source emil refers to fallout 4 design documents In fact again, we don't see people don't use them anymore I'm so confused. We've already got quotes about him referring to the ones as part of starfield 2 But that's no there's they're small. They're small. Okay. Well, that's Depends on which argument you're currently ready with everything. Remember this documentation for everything The game is the living document like it depends on which argument you want to choose But no, it's it's small documentation I still have a design document in my desk Early on a pre-production Especially when it's your own stuff everything's what I feel like that sentence was going somewhere Yeah, I feel like it was I was listening to emil talk about stuff and then he's yeah, I think goddy emil came back I haven't made this video is a virtue of learning something It's all part of the ARG you're supposed to look up the context yourself Everything's brilliant. Everything you do is brilliant. It's gonna be great. Now you write your design documents And then you play it in the game And wow it sucks. Let's keep going. I agree. Emil says the reason he dislikes design documents is because updating Documentation is a time-consuming task, which is the ultimate ironic statement tough shit for me a central document is a huge time saver Again emil has never said he dislikes design documents And just strongly implying them There's he has either implied that he doesn't like them or we can't do them I'm happy to say you can only argue with things that are said literally You've inferred that he doesn't like them from the fact that he's explained that he has reason to not use them and not value them It's like that's so fucking just why are we so upset about this? Shouldn't find so another rule for another rule for the list for never, uh, you can never infer or extrapolate information You must always take things at literal face value from now on Even though never has said specifically that emil is being ambiguous unless you said it then you can read into it Uh, tremendously But if you read the literal value then you have reading comprehension issue Yeah, then you're an evil retard Yeah, you can't be serious Wouldn't prove anything anyway as one person working on a youtube video is not the same as hundreds working on a game Okay, well lucky patricia didn't say that but the video was good What an extrapolation of that's why I clarified that a unifying document demands If I find it useful, why wouldn't thousands of people find it useful? He just he did to you way harsher. What he said you've been doing to emil. I don't understand. How is this fair? Ironic statement For me a central document is a huge time saver A central document is a huge time saver. Can anyone disagree with this? Again, I mean like it's only not a time saver at the very very Very first moments of the project where you just make the stuff up But the second that you need to start referencing information that you made before and you have to start Okay, control effing. Where did I say it and looking and trying to remember and try and tell other people Verbally what you meant. Yeah, it's going to be a nightmare. Of course. It saves you time overall. It's an investment It's an organization investment What's bugging me is the if it's like if you know The guy is making his is his hamburger at mcdonald's and then he Recommends something happen in the nature of like a high-end Fucking super duper restaurant and it's like how the fuck could you compare those two the guy's like? I'm literally just talking about making sure it's not Poisonous to a customer. That's he leaves out the long part where I go through The inherent differences between myself and Bethesda. I say I'm not in charge of hundreds of people My work doesn't trickle the dozens of disciplines I do not spend five to eight years producing a project and I still find it prudent to have a dot design document Oh, yeah, that's the context of the point So do I for several the videos I make and I'm just one dude making one video So imagine how useful it would be for a huge group of people who need unification I assume that's kind of what the point you're making. Yes Which is that's the other line point is if it's useful for me, it would be useful for them Well, yeah, I can't I don't even know of a project that would not benefit from a unifying document That like helps people understand what the project overall is for that's the more people you add Surely the more use something like that would be and we already know that it is Because fucking four out of the six arguments he uses involves a unifying design document This is what I mean like it's just full of fucking contradictions he dislikes design documents And just because patrician finds them to be a time saver for youtube videos Wouldn't prove anything anyway as one person working on a youtube video is not the same as hundreds working on a game for many years Yeah, if anything, I should have less gains from it because i'm just one person. It's just benefiting me Well, yeah, but you never said you're the same as hundreds of people working on a video game That's not the the nature of the statement at all. He's just doing it because it's an easy dunk Like you think making your ditzy little youtuber is the same as a The hundreds of millions of dollars being poured into a multi-year project you fool I mean, I try to avoid appeals to intuition, but like If you think about it for a second, doesn't that make a lot of sense? You know, if you just give it a mild amount of casual thought Doesn't that make a lot of sense rags. He's already told us that that's the case The actual case that they use design docs After telling us that they're completely outdated after telling us that they get outdated gradually as the project goes on After telling us that there's a living design guy keep his 17 arguments straight And also we're talking about starfield that took fucking eight years to make when they used to take three And what changed between when they were making games in three years and when they were making games in eight Though something that would be worth adding on to that is that games in general at this scale are taking longer to make What do you mean in the industry that standardized getting rid of gdd's? Maybe it's an industry-wide problem Well, why do they need them they document everything I yeah, that's true. We never know his best claims one one of his 16 claims that says well No one uses a design document like that doesn't just prove anything that just says there are more retards than we thought Well, everybody's cutting their dicks off. So why aren't you yeah Also patrician no offense, but I don't think you can classify your document as a game design document Unless it's for a game No, no, no, no the word I used was central document Oh, yeah, well, where's the center of your video? Come on. What is this? It's like if I said, uh, you know Committing to any kind of prep is important I find for any project from a youtube video all the way up to a You know 300 million dollar movie projects and then the guy just responds be like have you made a 300 dollar million? movie projects Well, it's funny too that he's got this straw man of what my design document is when I included a picture of it in the video Yeah, but he can't make fun of you that way I showed the fucking never knows best or you're lying eyes I showed the fucking obsidian node graph that represents the wiki that I use To keep track of all this information You know, it's funny too. This reminds me of like a chris duckman's perspective on youtube making because they're not used to effort So they'll be like, what do you do? Oh, you open your little word and you go. Oh video idea Maybe I just I just just lie to everybody. Well, meanwhile, I I think I had six word docs in relation to one video at one point. It was uh, I still do I got like a whole stack of references that I need all the time to be able to refer to for normally time stamps Which is where fucking things are so I can get clips where I need them, you know Even myself usually they'll be like some attempts to figure out what the hell my objective is with the project Like what the point is you are free to put on screen this image It is the uh node graph of my current, uh, setup And all the information each of those dots every single one of those dots is a separate page Well, have you considered that? Until you literally fucking code a dot that can jump up and down I can't take you seriously Once you've done that with a design doc, then you're valid The lines between all those dots represent hyperlinks between the different articles I'm not surprised like this Goes beyond anything I fucking do it as far as I'm concerned my prep is complicated as hell for getting videos done It's to part of it is that it functions as additional means that like have permanent memory if you know what I mean And I can refer to them whenever I need them like, oh, what did I have planned for this and where would I have to go for it? And then it's like a a saved version of me that tells me all this shit for me because it's like The project is so big You need something to keep track of everything and the idea that it got so big That you stop keeping track of it and instead just treat it as a living thing like I don't even know what that means um If you if you scroll up to the part where I have the clarification The reason emils name is in orange is because that's a hyperlink that goes to an article That is emils page In a microsoft word document. Oh, he's got you now. Maybe just make shit up Adam doesn't make you special Holy shit examples like this for me to respond to Eight fucking hours of more than likely very relevant visuals cut across all kinds of deep dives Just like nah, you're just a little bad faith monster The page the page that that mlpagliarulo hyperlink goes to lists all of the games he works on Several archives of twitter posts he made and all of the archives of his old adrenaline vault articles But you know, I'm just I'm just using a word doc a rinky game word doc doing it with two lines. Yeah yep One so let's just let patrician speak for himself for a while. Oh, yeah, let's do that But as it's finally the tradition if a good idea is broken the best fix is removal Take it out instead of figuring out how to better work with the design document Let's remove it But perhaps the sequence was necessary in development to serve as a vertical slice of how Is this the montage coming together on account of that? Yeah, because he jumped out of the document. Okay. This this is the montage of me saying no design document over and over I can summarize this I like a break from uh It's legit just just a series of punch lines of me saying hey, this seems fucking Broken or inconsistent with the rest of the game. It must be that whole design document thing It reminds me of the many references. I would have made an m.o.m to be like, man This is what happens when you don't have a fucking script before you stop filming, huh? Yeah, if someone's like, you don't know Your only reference was him saying that that was me not knowing what to do with the script Yeah, you have no idea how much of the script he may have made out of had Yeah, he really went out on a limb with that one. He was confident in that point Some reason they never decided to flag crete as optional the bizarre part though Where that lack of central design document comes in Hey, I said it there. I said lack of central design document. You said the thing you said that we're doing the picture That's us. We're doing the picture on the couch. Yeah It makes sense being there was no design document to resolve which method players should ultimately be encouraged to use for multiple Playthroughs rather a well documented timeline of events that define the history of the subtle systems Is something that should be written down in a design document and then referenced throughout the entire game But that lack of a design document seems to be indicative I like how we're skipping like 30 40 minutes potentially at a time Yeah, for those who aren't looking at the screen Unlistening these quotes are as much as a half an hour between each other Isn't it crazy that every half hour or so he kind of he kind of ties it back to his thesis statement. Isn't that crazy? It's how unheard of professional Unbelievable I think this has been brought up but uh if you would instead of saying lack of design document you said lack of Eating candy floss Your video would likely still be about 99 effective because All of the references you've got for the floors. I imagine how completely connected I think that's what xerik said was if I just replaced every time I said no design document with No central design document then his argument would have no Terrible document it is just a semantic argument that I clarified this 15 minutes into the video expressly because every time I call back to it is after The fucking clarification. That's why the clarification was there Well, because you can argue is that because never my document, but it was shit Because never you put the important information first You don't fuck around with talking about this random talk that emil gave And a reddit post Well, yeah, what I was trying to highlight was the Your reasoning for why we ended up where we are which really in a in a starfield retrospective That doesn't really damage your video that much even if you were completely wrong Or you'd cited that it's clearly the fault of rats biting the feet of the developers Like if you'd said that every time you'd be like, okay, but everything he said up to that point like, you know I mean whatever the criticisms were of the mechanics as they are Regardless of how they may have materialized That's the thing is half punchline half thesis statement. I'm sorry. I didn't play the laugh track every time I did it Well, as we know from what he gave uh, kratosis in terms of advice. That's how you tell yeah Not exactly clear how much experience they should be rewarding like having midsets This quest is different for sure. And you can probably guess why that is no design doc Why would we listen to a liar surprising that bethesda would not be keen on tackling a topic that a lot of If he was just saying that I should have you have a consistent terminology throughout the entire video It would kind of be difficult for me to disagree with him Science fiction either avoids or only pays lip service to because this is absolutely the kind of thing You need a design document. There wouldn't be a slam dunk Maybe the person handling the recordings could have done a better job If they had some kind of resource documenting decisions made by designers, but I digress that they didn't know Yeah, a design document to help plan out the pacing of starboard encounters to keep up with the player's own power escalation starfields Did not be a clear outline of how these systems would cooperate with each other And without a central design document and several distant teams working on different. There's that fucking phrase again So I can only imagine that he's doing this to show just how much you're a fair to it But the problem is this this isn't a lot because the video is huge Like in this case we're about four hours in this being referenced what 10 times and four hours Four hours is a lot The team's working on different ideas Okay So how does any of this work? The writers had to have a list of rules written down somewhere that oh god There was no design document because the writers don't really think about the 50 Long-term consequences and well, what it Did I blur this originally? What the fuck is this? I don't recall there being any blurred visuals. Did you have full frontal nudity in your video that he needed to like Did did you hire baowen to do art for your video that has to be blurred for you? This is not blurred in the original video. Why the fuck is it blurred now? Is it because it's the ending? 450 oh like spoilers for the story It's not there's not spoilers What wouldn't even matter because he's talking about it, right? Well, what's it here go to your video? What's the why why no? I am it's not blurred What if you were gonna blur anything blur the dialogue? That's the only part that's spoilers The rest of it is just like weird imagery. You could assume that it's a drug trip You know why Without a design document most of the writers are only thinking in the immediate term The lead quest design position at Bethesda is cursed, but I doubt it's because of any ghosts It's a thankless and heavily criticized job And I'm sure years of not having a design document and a mentality that everyone's idea is By the way just lurking but I see stuff like this from time to time as devs. We appreciate hearing all ideas There are no bad suggestions in pre-production meetings We generally don't allow people to dissect another person's ideas add to the conversation Don't try to remove from it The designer of the feature is more than capable of deciding the viability or usefulness of a suggestion on their own Not trying to call anyone out but keep that in mind What if their suggestion is just shit, though? I don't even know what to do with this I have no idea what to do with that How do you this sounds like a terrible way to make a game if you're like, oh, yeah, all suggestions are good Well, if rags says like, you know, this weapon Absolutely needs to be balanced with burst fire and then I go Um, not not to take away from I'm not I'm not at all suggesting rags is wrong in any way Uh, I would I think single shot fire fire other than they go. So not burst fire. I'm like, oh god I didn't mean I'm not saying that at all. I just guilty Fire here. No. Why do you hate fun? Why are you saying no to the player? Is good the only limitation is what's funny too is this is on the back of a very charitable statement I'm saying about the lead design lead quest designer position That's possible. Uh, which is will shins job not emmels. Hmm the saw So there you go. Whoa. Now. That's it. Not every time. Yes. Those are the times he said the word Oh It's not even every time Damn What his other arguments or claims, but it does give you a good taste on this video No No, it is a eight hour review of a game and it is thick with information It is constantly talking. Well, and it stylistically changes after like the first two hours It becomes a lot more relaxed in its approach to editing I already know exactly what you mean. Yeah, you're saying that like you anytime you find like severe In coherency, you'll just be like, well Gonna be the gremlin under the floorboards called the no design doc. There he is This patrician said it is a magic phrase which explains everything Okay, so this is where we get into it But like are you trying to convince people partially that there's nothing of worth in the video because he just tries to convince everybody It's all to do with no design doc as opposed to all of the references to do with all of the flaws in game mechanics or story Which is not even going to address now Like it's just a magic phrase The best possible way to counter what patrician is saying and what cretosis is saying and what a lot of people seem to Be picking up on is to make a review of starfield that shows how actually Actually, actually actually everything is unified and cohesive and all of the little machines Work together all the gears fit in turn Which i'm just saying that's what you would do if you really wanted to prove That this design document stuff was nonsense. He sure as hell knows he couldn't pull that off. He can't even fucking do this That's why he's not talking about anything regarding the game or any of the games He hasn't talked about fallout 3 fallout 4 skyrim. He hasn't talked about fallout 76. He hasn't talked about starfield That's just rainy. If it was worthwhile to again remind how can you have a conversation about the narrative that's Sort of now coalesced around this this character When the narrative that's coalesced around this character is rooted in what he's created Which is in in these games How can how can you make this video without making like more detailed reference to the games? And whether or not there's any like credibility to the criticisms that get levied at him in terms of because again How would any of this stick if everybody was really happy with the storytelling? They'd be like, oh, I guess I don't need a design document right because then it's all You know who cares whether or not he has an opinion on whether there should or shouldn't be a design document Whatever it is is welcome, right? It's like that bioware magic that they used to site the idea that they didn't need to have everything together because even if it was all a disaster Eventually come together in the end. I just don't understand how they could be like this massive video talking about All of this without any reference to the game at all I find it fascinating I would find this video maddening to make if it is good faith Still pretty sure he's just an idiot Yeah, I'm I think I'm still there that like I understand I kind of understand how you believe it to me Yeah, but this this isn't keeping Exactly. Yeah, this fits in with so much other stuff Um Because I think if you were to ask him if we had proof of a central unifying document That had every last detail of everything and we have testimonials from everyone who worked on the game that they referred to it all the time And it was super useful and it was amazing and everything worked out so great I would ask him is like if you knew that to be true Would you say then that uh patrician tv's video is completely worthless? He'd be like, yes Which is insane, which isn't true. That's that's just that it would deny certain claims you've made in the video But it wouldn't give up all of the other analysis that you've done Yeah, because all the the whole thing of like no design document the Like it seems like it's a claim of essentially this would explain it not This is like yeah, it doesn't deny the actual problem that's presented with a mechanic or with a design Choice or with the narrative choice Like those problems exist regardless of what cause you attribute it to and there's no design document It's just interesting that he found the heart to include five minutes of immel speaking but not five minutes of my thesis section Yeah Just want people to fucking hear it does he because there's something I was thinking about and it's like if if in the section where I say like Oh Michael waldrin He had to scrap a Partially created script before joining them when they were filming like the end of act one or something That's terrible. And then if someone said to me are you saying that a no good film could ever come from that? We're like no actually a good film could come from that and in fact we probably reference fallout I think is one of the closest to yeah fallout. Yeah, and then he'd be like so what's the issue there? It's like it's just a fucking really bad Mission impossible fall out Yes, we love that movie but uh point being yeah that it wouldn't change anything really Like you have that part wrong about your m om video. It's like okay, but the rest the fucking game is a troche It's man It's what I mean is like spending so long on this when it changes absolutely nothing and it doesn't help starfield whatsoever And ultimately won't help help a meal at all at all Well, and we showed earlier the tweet that em all doesn't even know what the fuck is going on that witch too Yeah But all of that isn't even relevant because as far as I can tell We're up to seven arguments on as to whether what what the case with the fucking doc even is Being wrong with the game and is used in all parts of his analysis Well, you only showed examples from it is a way for him to pretend that his criticisms are some kind of objective truth Well interesting Again though it doesn't matter like if they do have if they documented every single thing in this game that reflects worse on them Because you still made starfield Yeah, I mean the charitable interpretation is that they had no plan and they released a piece of shit game That's what happens when you have no plan to have a plan and still make starfield is worse The thing is the whole objective truth angle like if you say to me This hitbox is bad and you show it to me and it doesn't work And then you go this is present all the time in this boss. This boss has been rushed in terms of its design Why has this happened? Maybe it's no design doc It's somehow try and tie that in but I'd be like all of the objective stuff was Really up to the part where you said why it might have happened why you think it happened Because like you're showing me it I can see it and verify. You know, I mean this whole thing about objective truth I find that fascinating because it seems like all the parts of your video. He hasn't shown us would have the most Like I assume you show proof for a lot of the things you're saying Uh, yeah, I mean I lead I lead up to a lot of these points It's typically like when I say there's no design document That's a punch line and a thesis and then I go on to the next section It's usually like serving that segue purpose of I'm done talking about this. Here's how it all kind of tied together with the bow like When um, dark strangers didn't turn up in one division. We could have speculated going to be like maybe they couldn't afford him Maybe there was a time constraint maybe scheduling got in the way of him being able to turn up Maybe they never thought he would actually arrive because they've been writing the story like shit Well, maybe it's because they wouldn't want a woman saved by a man and this one could be like that's insane And then we get the quote directly from kevin feig and it's like oh You know, I mean like up to that point you are speculating, but there's no reason that you can't do that Because a lot of there could be a lot of explanations criticism it's still the criticism exactly regardless what reason uh caused it Exactly And it's a way to continually Though and I think that's the point Well, yeah, the the fact that he has now taken this as evidence You're trying to come across as more objective as opposed to you saying that this is what you believe the cause is Which is the truth that's what you're actually how how dare you refer back to your thesis statement Yeah, that's right. I mean, I just don't get this the weirdest. Fuck you ridicule bifesda and emil who remember He puts all design doc related blame directly onto onto the design director I mean, if you have a if you have a another candidate you'd like to offer forth. Um, well, yeah, Todd here Todd yeah, obviously Oh, yeah, so it was all him you retard you blamed emil when you're supposed to blame Todd like the rest of us Well, then if he's the only one who makes the game He bumped that up to not just Todd not just emil the whole team people like Okay If you want me to do that, I guess I guess I can blame everybody instead of the one guy that talked about it I'm weird Wait for patrician tv to give his audience exactly what they want I wanted someone to shit on emil before which is why nobody was looking it up before my video That's the thing. Yeah, if that's what we wanted then how come nobody was looking for it before the video Why did they need me to say it before they had approval to go do something about it, you know Starfield is the thing that's cluing a lot of people in now. It's he was one step too far The people wanted an explanation for why starfield was the way it was they did not want the explanation to necessarily be that it was emil's fault Or is he gonna make the argument that people want like a scapegoat they want the individual that they can blame It didn't you know traditionally that's Todd Howard. That's what most videos do. Why is that okay? Why are we pretending like if there were a central design doc that that would somehow clear all of these people of any responsibility They have for starfields. Yeah, exactly even if there was because it's like rag said even if there was a plan Maybe that's worse if there was a plan and it still ended up being bad What I mean is like this narrative has no fucking fuel. It doesn't make any sense Oh, yes now the hatred can be directed at him because you've done this whole design doc thing When before people all they had was the fact that it was a shit game Oh, and then of course the question would be well, where should the praise go then? Does it just go to the amorphous Bethesda? Yes, as an entity or does it go to individuals who were there who had no There's a surprising number of people who would answer that. Yes, it goes to Bethesda I think it's fair that you could say that it's like the studio and the studio culture and okay so there is an argument for that because With world of warcraft they talked about they had a black box design where If the if anybody got credit for the games being good, it was blizzard And that way the credit went to everybody that was on the team So there is an argument to make about that But it also means that the blame also falls upon the whole team if they do a bad job Yeah, I guess what I'm I'm bringing it up in relation to what he would say like who would he say You know the game is great Then he would presumably say that he deserves a bunch of credit, right? Yeah, that's what he's done before he does that with the dark brotherhood and followed three Anytime that there's there's credit or there's praise to be given out suddenly It's the individual designers that pop their heads up and Uh People were disappointed with starfield and when people are disappointed they want to know why this happened And Let me clarify this for you if everyone in this game If if people are noticing a very strong and continual trend of the characters and the writing and the quests and the stories They suck in these games generally Then people are going to go to who's doing this The funniest part is that if it wasn't me it would have been private sessions because in his part two He's going to talk about the same exact thing I thought you meant like you guys are to blame for starfield's she writing He stole it from his husband. Yeah Which is gay That's actually the funny part is that he was like private legends is so happy that his part two wasn't out yet because he Would have been lumped into this all this shit It's no it'll give you strength. Yeah, I was gonna say it's no real detriment. This video is insane. Well, there were other there were other reasons but Yeah, I mean this would be a great thing to reference potentially for that video to be like people are like Yeah, I don't know what it is about people about like I don't know if this guy is like a weird Bethesda fanatic Or if he is just like a psycho Weirdo or if he just hates your guts Which very might be the case he comes across as extremely spiteful on behalf of someone else I don't know. It's kind of wild If a snake oil salesman comes along and claims to have insider knowledge and then tells their audience It's not it. You never claimed insider knowledge. No, no, this is that whole Self-proclaimed expert thing again. I've never said I have insider knowledge You never referenced any insider knowledge It's pretty clear that I'm operating with an outsider perspective Because you show all of the public things that he's done and said Yeah, if I had insider knowledge, I would have I would have like interviews with them directly that would be exclusive to my video You know, he hasn't addressed I don't buy for a second that anybody thought that I had insider knowledge That's bizarre to hear. Yeah, you never claimed anything like that. All of your sources were public ones Well, and he hasn't addressed the main point, which is what if it's really good snake oil? what that So I'm gonna think about to hear the audience will probably buy it not because they're dumb, but because that's a normal response Like By the way, that's how we could explain this video too, by the way that your audience will buy this because it's a normal response Whenever this works both ways if there's a sense of like You wonder how stupid a video could get before it would breach the like The sense of the way about something weird is going on here You know like like this video is wrong because he actually went to double in three times in the last Necessary way of doing whatever the hell it is that he does You know like what the hell was that? He's like, well, actually, I just proved that his whole fucking video is terrible. Do you agree? He like, okay Yeah, I think so How things like scams cons and coats work Hmm You know, he absolutely does. He's he accuses me of being a cult leader We're doing this thing again for you brought it up the he just said in the calmest nice as wounded animal way of you run a fucking cult Yeah, like that's a pretty that's a pretty serious allegation to say that i'm running a scam What's the scam that I get ad revenue from lying on the internet? Well, so his vision of you at this point is like, I gotta do a star Fucking feel thank god damn. What what can my narrative already brought up pretosis making money and how that made him bitter Let me look at some videos see if I can grab anything. Oh, this pretosis guy's covered something Oh, yeah, there you go a design dark. I don't even know what that is fine. Yeah, we'll say that's the reason Yeah, we'll put that in there. Who can I target? Let's let's type in innocent developers a part of Bethesda. Ah, there's my target beautiful Got him. Let's put him in and let's just make up an eight-hour fucking video Nice, he's including the clip of him. I'll peck typing Aren't easy to believe as long as they say what people want to hear And just like the original reddit post patrician speed all people wanted to hear was that starfield was a bad game They didn't need an explanation or a reason They've never needed an explanation or a reason there's fucking year after year Topic after topic that all people got away with with million view videos was just saying that the game was bad And then it was this guy's fault No, you don't even have any This is where I mean for me as as a relative outsider. All I've known is that Bethesda just gradually over time has been rotting away He's like, oh, yeah, but you know individuals responsible It's like sure people will be interested in knowing more and more information about how this all fell apart But at the same time it doesn't change much of anything the games are still shit Well, yeah, the why is interesting, but it doesn't change whatever the explanation doesn't change the And product Which is that people were really hyped for this game and then it came out that it was a massive disappointment Fucking leading a cult speaks with an authoritative voice Pretends to be an expert on this. See see how you do the you do the authoritative breakdown. Well, he does He he does. Yeah, I actually I sound like an expert. This is what an expert sounds like. I'm not being mean You're being me. I'm yeah, you're a cult leader get you with your cult This is just how I talk man I get the I really don't do a voice But just just by trying to speak clearly and make sure people understand what you're saying and also try and be an entertainer Of some sort you can get to a point where people are just like, wow, look at you. You think you're so correct Well, he's he's going to Iron video where I say that I don't do that A lot of people don't like it when other people speak confidently I don't know what it is if it makes them feel I don't know. I think it's escalating to them or in yeah or insecure But a lot of people just really don't like when other people sound confident I'm personally. I'm just tired of the wounded animal shit. I can't take it. It's uh, yeah I it's funny. I feel like I haven't been encountered it for a while But it is a common fucking strategy on on youtube video assays like they a load of them do it I mean, you say us cries and pain as it strikes you Yeah, it's this it's just everything is the worst emotional thing that they've been through in their video. They're like Subject being discussed gives lots of examples and always speaks with complete confidence and conviction Good I wouldn't want you to fucking speak with Like you've been stuck with a fucking blade Yeah Well, hang on is this necessarily true? What about you speaking with confidence or don't know? Do I ever say I don't know something? I don't know what happened Probably I don't know where to start. I don't know where else I would There's honestly still a bunch about the system that I don't know I really don't know which one is faster. Actually, I don't know if I want to inflict I don't know how good I can say the combat system is Well, you started off by saying I don't know if I say, I don't know I fucking probably say I don't know more than um, I said fucking design document It's a really handy phrase if you don't know Do we just like he's he's taking you down for being confident Not even like it's just it's a what a fucking waste of time you can be confident and not just like say false Shit, you can be confident and say, you know, there are some things I don't know but there are things that I have confidence in You spoke assertively this offends me. Okay. Yeah, I said tone policing thing again He doesn't like if you speak aggressively and he doesn't like if you speak confidently You need to speak meekly and Like you're about to cry Well, it's the thing if someone said I'd you told police he have I should be like, yeah Well, at least with the goal of trying to like speak in a way that you are heard and understood and the words Can have their fucking relevant spaces and points of higher and lower entertainment versus This I don't The thing is the starfield better than that is Starfield is such a new topic that I have no insecurity about saying over and over that there's elements about it That I don't know or don't fully understand just because the information isn't available And yes, I do have a human limit as to how much I can do Well, and I don't see why you're getting docked points for having a speaking voice that isn't cringe Yeah, whenever I click onto a video and I hear the So you lose trust Whenever I uh click onto a video and I hear the video Cut out again This discord doesn't want us to know When I hear the video essayist voice I immediately lose trust in anything that video has to say Yeah, I'm kind of getting to that point. I just I just don't think it's pleasant I don't want to I don't want to listen to it for more visceral reasons. It's just not pleasant to listen to I want to let's do a man. Damn it. Yeah, especially for us when you have the opening being something like today I went through something and I want to share it with you and then you're like, wait, what was this video called? And it's like a review of godzilla Oh Okay The day he said I was a poopy head and that was harassment And some person said a meal did a bad job and that's harassment And I don't like it and they're making money off of it and it's fine. They can have their opinion Um, but don't don't touch me. You're cold leader But don't worry guys patrician is on your side. In fact, he's doing this for you You're doing this for us. That's so kind of you. It can all that free content, baby. That's why he's here We're just milking them dry. What a chad But I don't think this video was unjustified I think there were still enough people who felt betrayed by starfield who want a voice to speak for them To really hammer why this game didn't work So yeah, I think that's a pretty I think that's a pretty straightforward perspective to have on video creating Is that you're filling a niche that people want to hear People can't a lot of people can't articulate the finer points in life because you know They have jobs that aren't related to their hobbies and they don't get a lot of free time to think about this Or they don't have the vocabulary to think about it Do this happen they are making is a skill There's a talent There's a level of confidence that one can have that will absolutely piss the fuck out of people like piss them off And it reminds me of um, it was like a stream me and wolf did I want to say literally like six years ago I'm not even sure how long at this point, but it was like a super chat or questionnaire asking Something to do with like how how is it that you've gotten to the point where you're choosing what what you do being like story analysis And then I I made a comment about how um, some people be more like have more interest in it or maybe even be Have a predilection toward it and that there's going to be people who are just going to be able to explain it better Or see things that other people might not That got fucking like clipped and everyone said like look how full of himself he is I was like what like I'm just describing like a basic skill set that'll apply the different people lead to different things Isn't that the most normal statement ever? I didn't realize that was controversial I apologize for being a youtuber. I will uh endeavor to Well, can I speak from the heart or would that be disingenuous? You don't have one. Yeah, I was gonna say prove you have one first pull it out show us all later A true hero I didn't say as a hero. I just said I spoke to people's you said you're a hero and we all agree you are There you go. Okay. It's over. That's right because we're in your cult. We can't the court finds me guilty And all it cost was the complete character assassination of one complete Character assassination. It wasn't character assassination. He just sucks at his job. Okay, let's assume that he's right I'm just wrong Like that's not a character assassination. I'm just wrong So as we said earlier if you are completely wrong about everything he's tackled you specifically for Being the lack of a unifying design document behind a meals approach Does that not make a meal look worse in a different direction as we brought it before Well, this isn't about a meal. It's about me. He can't even stay on his bike Well, what I'm saying is That you've assassinated him and is like, yeah, but like if if he did have the dog if you were wrong That means that he managed to that's fairly execution That's what this video is missing. Like I said earlier was there needed to be a 20 minute segment where he proved that Emil was like this really good guy and he made these really good games and you know He's this character that was besmirched, but he jumped past that just straight to the besmirching Everything is resting on well, he does have a design document actually No, and you let's just go with one of the arguments of his that says he does Have a design document that doesn't change anything That doesn't push the needle into starfield being a good game or a meal or a meal be a writer Yeah, we're trying to make it look like I said that coolsville sucks I think coolsville sucks. No, no, no single constant game developer And by the way, it's not just over design documents that patrician deliberately misrepresents an attack Deliberately That's a strong that's a strong position to take that it was deliberate. Well cult leader. I wouldn't expect anything less from you Here are some other examples Emil peggly rillo has stated. He does not listen to criticism Ignoring the reviews This is a common lie that creative people will tell Note how patrician doesn't say this as if it's his opinion, but instead as if he's just repeating emil's own words even the But but he's you're he's But he's he references a me what emil is saying So yes, he's gonna refer to what emila said the whole point of the statement is that emil doesn't I must be hearing that wrong. I must be no I legit don't understand where the problem is emila stated that he does not listen to criticism I mean part of that little statement was that he said to ignore it. Um, I'm confused Well, you see ignoring and not listening are two different things Oh, actually semantically we'll go back because I am I'm not sure what the problem is people will tell Note how patrician doesn't say this as if it's his opinion But instead as if he's just repeating emil's own words Even though emil has never said this not literally that What the fuck yeah, like not verbatim I fucking hate reviews you paraphrased him you bastard That's why that's why I got lost. I was like, where's the contradiction. It's like he didn't use those words. They're like, oh But he played the clip for us. So it's not like we're gonna be like you fucking liar I saw the clip. That's no it's like no, I guess it's what you just summarized like why are we why are we doing Why are we here and he makes the same point more than once and yet despite the heavy criticism The very first decision made regarding starfield's design was not to have a silent protagonist because emil doesn't listen to criticism Ignoring the reviews. Here's a fault. Yeah, like He said ignoring the reviews I need help never knows best. Tell me what's going on here. Why am I supposed to be upset? Like you are because qualities equivalent to profit meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it What's a telling line at the end there? Meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably got him about it. Yeah Oh, wait, hang on. Where's that tweet where he said that he has no clue that he's never seen any of these Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is he contextualizing what you just said as you could lie and it wouldn't matter Is that what he's trying to do? It's that regardless of what patrician says in his videos. It's not going to get to emil's ears No, that's what is that's what patrician said, but what is being implied here Listen to the way that he like talks about it silent protagonist because emil doesn't listen to criticism Ignoring the reviews. Here's a fallout for critiques all ignored because quality is equivalent to profit Meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it. What's a telling line at the end there? It's funny. I think he cuts out the next sentence. Yeah, but like it's so very fucking obvious that what you're saying is I could literally go into any fucking part of all of this say the most like Radically critical things and he'll never even hear it But what he hears when you say that is I could lie about him and he wouldn't even know No matter what criticism I levy whether it's founded or unreasonable. It will never meet his ears and thus nothing will ever change Um, the full quote is meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it But if he does I'm open for interviews and actually able to ask good questions about your work And now that's a oh boy. No, no, he's found he's found the telling lie though He's found the telling element I want him to say that you you're you're you're like admitting to lies Please tell him he says that meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it Yes, sadly, that's true, but we'll get to it. So I signed an NDA. I'm a professional. I don't want to get fired Now sure developer signing non disclosure agreements is nothing new But it's very clear that they muzzled Emil because even in the short controlled interviews He's allowed to do almost everything he says is a damning indictment of Bethesda's design practices Literally, all you have to do is let him talk and he'll tell on himself the entire time It's true though. I just like I I mean I I like stream of conscious I think like I sometimes can be a little bit manic, but like so NDAs are normal. Why do you cut that? I don't even know what I'm supposed to be mad at yet Emil signs one in which case it's quote very clear But it's about muzzling him and this is then followed by another out of context clip designed to make Emil look bad Now that's why I've noted that Emil is not the only developer petition does this too He's just you haven't even that that whole part wasn't I can't even work with it you fucker You oh my god He doesn't source this one because I'm the fucking person who uploaded the context on my second channel I'm the person who's hosting the entire context of this interview For the record, he just made a whole like point about you, but I can't do anything with it because none of it was complete The main one and the one I'm focusing on you know, there's a bunch of tourists surrounding but why not go into it If it's pathological behavior if I'm doing it to other developers It should be a slam dunk case that I'm harassing them except Honestly, I was worse with Pete Hines because he's a bit of an asshole I'm pretty generous to Todd and I was fairly nice to will shin so Cold as to when they're sad that Pete Hines retired. No good. I'm glad he's gone I would also like to point out. Good. Fuck him. Yeah, I mean There's no con there's no context to that which is that Pete Hines was a total fucking asshole in every interview that he would do And also with interactions with fans. I've used this screen kept numerous times. I'll see if I can dig it up but The fan was asking about some lore inconsistencies in Fallout 4 And he's dismissive and he eventually says Um Not interested in discussing how realistic things are in a game of talking mutants and ghouls Oh that quote. Okay. I know I would call that quote now that you've read it. I yeah I fucking hate that quote so much because well, no, I I'm trying to find EFAP too the whole nothing can be logical or realistic because You know, it has one thing that isn't realistic. So everything gets checked out Yeah, it's the space wizard argument favorite. Yeah. Yeah Or dragons and talking cat people That's the Skyrim version Not a science lesson Please bet. I can only get so erect majority of the clips I have shown you from patrician's video Came from the first two hours Because that's how much I watched before deciding that I have far too many examples ready to fit in Nice But you did watch more because you had clips. Oh, right because you know Yeah, he control acted to get all the examples of me saying it Okay, like so he only watched two hours of this video that let's be honest This is the main reason that he's here. So it would seem that way So can't even be fucked with watch the full video. You know fan of firefly Yeah, big fan of firefly It's a good show. That's correct That you're a fan of it. I mean that makes you morally good. You couldn't possibly run a cult if you like firefly Then I like that there is just no way anything in the rest of the video could ever redeem it How do you know? What about the end he said lol actually this was all That is pretty funny. I mean this was just a test to see if you only watched the first two hours before making a video dumbass Hey, I'm not cherry picking the worst examples from this eight hour video No, you are absolutely cherry picking you fucking cut out the rest of the context for several of the quotes that I had that would have redeemed me You've repeatedly like tried to stifle the clarifications that I've given You've semantically argued with all this bullshit. It's just no, it's absolutely cherry picked Don't even feel like that's um, that's being cruel to cherry pickers like this Like this is this is pathetic a good reputation of cherry They must be pissed literally the definition of cherry picking is control effing. Yeah, I mean, he's literally going for the cherries in the video I just feel like cherry pickers usually more effective. I don't know I think you can usually gather together something of a point a video I don't need to I am cherry picking the worst examples from the first two hours of it And there are a lot of strong examples that didn't make the cut Instead of putting them in the cut if they're strong examples, why not just keep going you've got a slam dunk here You gotta fucking annihilate me The fucking open in what 20 minutes down Particularly around non design document related insights Why not why not include those parts if I'm wrong about the design document thing Why not include other arguments that I'm wrong about Well, so in my experience they'll do a thing where they pick on one thing that they think they can actually get you on And they'll be like the whole video is like this by the way Yeah, it's like listening to examples and then saying etc because you can't think of anything else You know the time where he misspelled a word whole videos like that Oh, okay, sure. I said I said step off and step out interchangeably You know how that upsets the semantically challenged of using original sources only to misrepresent them Or to make completely unfounded assumptions based off them Or to take them out of context or to just attack for developer involved Is a constant feature in patrician style of analysis Oh, really? It's a constant feature. Jeez. It's just what he does. I guess I had I had noticed I suppose In fact, that's just a great amazing company that makes incredible video games And they never mislead or lie or do shady things and their games are wonderful and amazing And they just do nothing but bang out It's really funny because um in the fallout 76 video. I barely talk about Bethesda at all I barely talk about any of the developers You can attest to that you saw that video. I did Yeah, but it was uh, it's a wild journey. There was hate in there though, right? Like hate and attacks Yeah, absolutely hatred. So it was just aimed at the commission takes his assumptions so far that he says something quite strange Let's revisit an old quote by account Peggy Arula learned to hate design documents with fallout 3 and so his next lead project to fallout 4 went without one I think if you were to ask him, he'd probably liken the process to jazz music Okay, so ignoring the fact that emil hating design docs is fake and throughout 4 not using a design doc is fake Oh fake Why on earth does patrician tv think that emil would liken the process to jazz music? I don't know. That's typically what people do when they talk about improvisational styles I was about to say I think I knew where that analogy was going because I think most people would yeah A lot of improvisation and we if you don't have a design document, then you uh, then making a video game is like jazz music Where you improvise and play off of each other It's pretty straightforward and it's pretty easy to understand how it's like literally look down from the line and it says improvisation And he didn't let your full thing finished by the way, he cut it off before you explained what you meant Not to mention um, you're you're fully this time protected There's nothing you can actually breach you with because you've got I think and if they're both in there, so It's very obviously an extrapolation. Obviously. He's never literally said that Well, you can't you can't get you on that Are you saying that never never knows best? Can't process hypotheticals. I I wouldn't even think to claim it He needs a laugh track Because I have never heard emil mentioned jazz nice Literally can't process it. Oh my god Why would you how would you feel if you did any breakfast yesterday? How could I know that? No, this is written by he's this is written by ai because ai can't understand hypotheticals I don't think he's ever spoken about jazz cult leader No, shit doesn't mention it's in any of patrician's sources. God, this is fucking embarrassing I can't find any connection between emil's name and jazz. I love that you wasted fucking time looking up If there was a connection between jazz and if there was a literal quote about it, I would have included it That's why I said I think he would probably like it to it. Yeah, I think if you were to ask him He would probably you can't read It's like four layers of specifying that it's not real Jesus and I don't think I've ever heard anyone else make this comparison either So why would patrician say that this why do you think it's in the next bit? Why he explains it You cut off the quote. Where does this assumption even come from? This is this is I gotta admit this is hyper autism He doesn't understand humor and now he doesn't understand hypothetical scenarios He might actually be autistic. This is insane. Yeah, this is literally unable to engage with a hypothetical This is the thing. This is he might be in I think I think never knows best might be in the double digit club We do this all the time in terms of like remember what I said like what would patrician tv's Video be to never knows best if we had ultimate proof that a central design doc was used and I said I imagine he'd say It's now worthless even though it wouldn't be and if he then said to me like I never said that I'd be like Okay, that's wow like damn And why does he think it's necessary? Because he could have said Emil's process seems a lot like improvisation in jazz uh Okay, I guess he's I guess he's about to read it. He's going to read it, right? Music except while this might work in jazz due to the small group size This is going to be what he says though something with a large amount of people collaborating like game development That's ostensibly what I said This is essentially what you said nobody believes that emil said the thing about jazz when you said I imagine he would say that or I think he would say this if I asked him What I said the literally the next words I said The fundamental problem with art that works through improvisation is that it's usually a small group of individuals If not one person whom are all talented and knowledgeable working within a central discipline under a short time frame Yeah, he takes issue with you theorizing that he would say such a thing But he's he's doing his own extrapolation You don't have to extrapolate it's the it's all there. Well, you're he's fine. He said I think if I'd asked him It's well. No, listen. He's saying he's saying that I could have said so he's proposing his own hypothetical Well, you could have said in your in your essay that uh Emile's process reminds you of jazz as opposed to saying if I was to ask him I imagine he'd say his process is a lot like jazz. You see you're putting words in his mouth in a hypothetical world You can't do that as rude. Mm-hmm. That would be fine That is a greatly shortened version of the point patrician goes on to make what the fuck What's your point then if I did say it? Just say the quote This is what I mean. There's there's zero problem here. This is getting excessive in isolation is all right So what's the benefit of making this metaphor? patrician's metaphor and a decent enough metaphor at that Have to come from emil's mouth Instead of his my god. No, it doesn't it's a fucking extrapolation It's not even real you said you think if you were to ask him it still didn't happen in this timeline So if it did that might happen You think relative to other things I'm yeah mentioning here This is very minor and patrician does qualifying. No, it's not mine or it's nothing There's no problem. Why would you end the point with the saying that I qualified it? By this assumption with both I think and probably I'm telling you this is reaction bait because he he knows how we would react So he's like they're gonna look foolish If I if they say that I should have added the I should have mentioned the qualifier because I do mention the qualifier But I I present the argument backwards to trick them That doesn't make any sense just makes him look retarded. That's the meme of I'm gonna pretend to be retarded Yeah, and then we're like, okay, look at that retard and he's like ha ha You combo that with mental illness and uh, it makes sense in his head I'm only pretending to be retarded doesn't work. Never try it guys Misleading in the same way that many of his other claims are It's not misleading. Well, why are we talking about this and not the myriad of other good strong points that you have? That you allegedly had But allegedly there was easy Strange. It's not strange. It really isn't the average human brain head doesn't have any problem parsing out hypotheticals But I guess you do I'm sorry, man making completely unfounded assumptions about developers and isn't Completely unfounded assumptions. It's not even a negative comment Like if you said I imagined Mola might you know equate his work to jazz I'd be like, oh, you're saying that I would you know focus on a lot of improv But the it's like jazz is universally known as shit Jazz yeah, the jazz the famously hated style of music. The whole point was like about improvisation That's why I said the word improvisation And when I think of the concept of improvisation, I think of like theater improv groups Which is a pretty high cut and I think of jazz music, which I think is a more approachable metaphor to use Well, most funny is the major references for this at all going to come from your video that aren't just your summaries There'll be all the individual pieces of information all of how things were coming together in the story the mechanics The improv so to speak of design And parts of development has become so normalized to patrician But it doesn't even seem weird to him to make his words come from emel's mouth Even at times when it's completely unnecessary fucking insane I I guess he's he literally just doesn't get it. He just doesn't get it. No, he just doesn't get it. Yeah I'm going to try to be charitable here Wow I'm sure you are man. Yeah. That was a well-tived. Good job. They'd have it was best for a second patrician clearly believes in the value of referencing outside source material in game analysis Now personally, I think the best arguments about a game should be supported through evidence that comes Exclusively from the game itself and your experience with it. That's a nice opinion. Did your husband give it to you? I was going to say exclusively I mean, why can't you not look at the game and then look at the extra is so out of game sources to be like This is what I claims why this thing is in the game I heard I heard about this and this was what I was worried that was going to turn into is he anti-source Is he anti research? Oh, clearly We just said like you shouldn't be involving much of anything. Well exclusively is the way to use Damn, I mean maybe it's just his perspective at all You go through like all of the quest lines and the side quest and you talk about the story And you talk about the dungeons and all the guns and all the mechanics Yeah, I mean it's a mix of the game informing the analysis and the real world information I'm able to find informing the analysis This is something people might have different opinions about and that's fine There should be different approaches to game criticism. Okay audiences might enjoy different styles true And so patrician seems to have focused on this one thing He genuinely it's funny that he's using the morrowind analysis and as an example when I can't I Started developing the style in like the middle of the morrowind analysis I would think the oblivion or the skyrim analysis would be More effective examples because that's when I was fully on board with it Important external sources and he was successful doing this gaining plenty of views and fans Why does he say that like it was deceptive? Well, I guess that is his point But still yeah, I'm a cult leader and a scam artist and a snake of whale salesman Fucking hell He really doesn't like you, huh? Like yeah, even though cretosis is apparently the worst of the three of you Yeah, that's what's weird cretosis is the worst, but you seem to be getting a Way more get about cretosis with the way he despises you. Yeah, he's doing He was just attacking what cretosis said about him. Oh, he's going for like channel breakdown on me I'm starting to feel neglected. Yeah And So as he continued to make videos this became a bigger and bigger part of them Not for malicious reasons, but because he wanted to make good content And it was his opinion that this is hang on. I've never said that that's an extrapolation. You're putting words into my mouth I actually don't want to make good content I want I want to control my cult as best I can. Do you have a source for that? Do you have an example of me saying that I want to make good content? Why don't you back that up with a source senator Was what made him better than the other youtubers who only talk about their opinions Something he discusses in the intro to his skyrim. I can't wait to hear how you think you're better than everyone else Let's see what the quote is video Now what would happen if I did not do that if I take the common road of simply preaching with an authoritative voice In that instance that I would say the meme take my perspective on fast travel as though it were the one Incorrect opinion to have and then move on It is true that many would be both entertained and convinced simply with a deep voice and an air of charisma Insert profile pictures of relevant youtubers here. Wow, you put me there Yeah That's just for the fun of people not seeing the screen However, I don't look at my audience as people to be tricked into liking my work with Why would I put that horse's face so close to your character? It was a bug with that I got a check with Bethesda, you never know sometimes If you want videos that simply preach opinions as the only true perspective to have then Dozens of videos that are both pro and against skyrim already exist to validate your existing opinions When you realize that over 80 of those videos have nothing to say I'll still be here keeping my dreams open for you I'm sorry. I'm a gatekeeper and I keep it before I hear is batshit retarded taking what you just said Am I to take from what you've just said the you would rather dig into the meta as much as possible because everyone else Is already dug heavily into the game or my because this is obviously from a snippet So I can't quite tell exactly what you're saying Well, that's part of it a lot of my frustration with the skyrim stream series was that the majority of skyrim videos Were just empty plots synopsis There was very little analytical substance to a lot of those videos And so that's what I was working with with my video was that I wanted it to be more analytical I wanted to be less just affirming existing opinions because it was very much the case that many skyrim videos Some of them would be like skyrim's the greatest game ever and then others would be like skyrim's actually not that good But they wouldn't really talk a whole lot about why I know what you mean. We have the equivalents of that Well, I was funny. Is this the kind of the reverse for when captain marvel came out I uh, I think it was with springer karma, but who I was watching a bunch of reviews of it with but like nobody was uh Talking about the fucking plot. No, no Everybody wasn't dead. Yeah talking about Brie Larson's quotes They were talking about like what this film is where it said some what it means for game and stuff like this But nobody is reviewed it he downplayed Private Sessions video because he's my podcast host and so I guess he's a nepo baby or something but If you want my video without a lot of the meta Discussion of the behind the scenes stuff. That's what private sessions is doing his video is entirely informed by the like internal Kind of logic that comes from skyrim Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a valuable perspective to have well and just look at the thing What can we take from the thing uh to not give the wrong impression There were plenty of great captain marvel videos. It was just shocking how Little people were talking about what happened in it and you could obviously attribute that the fact that no one gave a shit about it I was like, well, I want to talk about what happens Marvel is the same thing the marvels have the same thing where everybody talked about the matter and Not many people would talk about how badly written it was Look if I'm supposed to apologize for having the opinion that most skyrim videos are shit I will literally never apologize They seem to be particularly consistently quite bad Um, I mean, I'm not going to hold it against you for thinking that your video is better than most skyrim videos That just doesn't bother me at all As far as I'm concerned, most people who spent an extremely large amount of time Making something like that should probably have confidence enough to defend it as One of if not the best takes on the thing um, I think I have the best take on doc strange mom and Uh, quantimania there. I said it That's okay Do we have to let the british man talk? Yeah, unfortunately I'll date your existing opinions when you realize that over 80 of those videos have nothing to say I'll still be here keeping my gate open for you And so patrick, hey, he cut out the part where I said because I love you He does not he doesn't know love um True britishan truly believed in this approach and lent into it And the end result of this ever higher and higher emphasis on outside sources That were still ultimately just being used to support his subjective opinion Probably just to be clear by no means has he come anywhere close to even beginning To prove that you only use outside sources. He just said that it's just something that he said The fact that he just I feel like he realized that he was right in that sentence That didn't sound quite right like the more and more he got popular the more he made videos the more and more he Made use of outside sources like wait, that's probably a good thing Uh, but it was just a subjective opinion Like how could you ever argue like the more sources you take advantage of the worse your video gets is like Well, what's he trying to prove here? I'm not necessarily a full objectivist I value subjectivism and objectivism I don't even If well because if the more information you have regarding the creation of a thing like quotes and processes and reports and everything Most people wouldn't consider like this is really we're gonna get into a whole thing trying to Uh, assess it, but the fact that he's just dismissed it as like well, it's just him being supporting a subjective opinion It's like well, I mean yes or no. It's like depends on how you're trying to skew that in Like the next guy who says Yeah, I like Skyrim i give him five stars versus the guy who's like so here's what this person said about this mission And that's why this is happening here and this is going on because of this and this was designed actually with You know infused with references to this culture bowler if someone said like that's the same They're both giving you their opinion. I'd be like I mean, I guess they are both giving you their perspective. Sure Um, you're like, I get you would have to acknowledge that there is a considerable difference between their argumentation And one is more valuable than the other and I mean if this ultimately ends up being that he's anti research, uh Yes, he's like trying to find the least retarded way To say that that it might not be that he's anti research. He might just be anti reason He might be meant to anti effort Anti coherency If he wanted to make the point that like the standard is unreasonable because it increases the amount of time I have to take to make videos. Yes, that is a problem that I have I'm into it but And the end result of this ever higher and higher emphasis on outside sources That were still ultimately just being used to support his subject Is it entirely possible never that The reason that I have more information in each subsequent video is because I had the same amount of information from the last video And was able to build upon that instead of just starting over Probably not no Like I snowballed up to the skyrim video in terms of the amount of information I had access to There was things I learned in working on the skyrim video that I wish I knew working on the oblivion video No His subjective opinions about the game was this starfield analysis Where the central thesis is that everything bad in starfield is because of no design documents And that this observation uniquely made by him the higher tier game critic No, hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. You earlier said that cretosis made this point and I stole it from him Yeah, but you claim it makes you the higher tier game critic So get rekt cretosis never said it makes him the top g so Well in private sessions came to the same conclusion But I guess you know Yeah, he stole it from me. I stole it from cretosis cretosis stole it from its agundam, you know The thing that can magically explain everything people dislike and by the way magic isn't real Or is it still on this or is it Yes, I thought we were done with the thesis Me of him referring to other people's youtube videos as using techniques of propaganda Well, I mean I don't even want to get into that Well, I mean you're going to pens I was choosing to let it slide But despite this I do think it's is that is that your big takedown? You're a propagandist cult leader snake oil sales. He's just rattling about man Uh at hominem We've long passed that yeah We passed that a long time ago. Sorry. What are you called it personal attack? You I don't even know what to classify what this is. No, it's a first-hand attack insanity It's only fair to say that what is seen in his starfield video does seem to be the end result of this approach I will admit I have not watched much of his other content that much is clear You haven't watched much of any of his content earlier. He I thought earlier that he said that what was visible in your starfield video Was presence in your other videos He did That's really that doesn't make much sense Well, and he doesn't understand that I have a separate I have a separate Level of standards for the videos that I make that are under an hour Like do you really think I did a whole ton of research on like battlefront 2 2005? Not really At best I might use like one source in those videos So I mean it's just yeah, obviously the oblivion My thought process is if I'm gonna spend fucking eight hours talking about talking about a topic I might as well do a little research on it. I think that seems like a pretty reasonable perspective to have Relative to but from what I've checked In his other videos. He doesn't seem to present original source material in the same misrepresented way It's just his special hatred of a meal. Yeah got him to break character Well, just couldn't stand it. There it is Never do you want to know the difference when I was talking about elder scrolls games? Those were all projects that weren't spearheaded by emel Like all three of those were not like emel was just either a quest designer or a senior quest designer So why would it make sense to go on this big tangent about how much I hate emel when I'm talking about elder scrolls games. Now if I talked about fallout, I would talk a lot more about emel, but I really haven't talked about fallout His his entire view of you is so heavily constructed with like your immense hatred and targeting and scapegoating of Of emel that we get to a point. We almost want the wizard to just walk up to and be like, it's not by the way He's actually not just to have it be like what no no that that can't be true Like Everything rests on this. It comes in. It's just not you're crazy. Why did you make it that everything rests on? Why did you construct your house on sand? I don't understand And while he does make bold reaching assumptions based on these sources and attack game developers at times Shut up. You only attack youtubers. Yeah, but he's right. He explained this in the cretosis section Other youtubers I like the idea that his goal was that cretosis would be sitting in the corner crying and he'd smile like my I It's your time to grow now cretosis. That's right. I I believe I believe in you. I believe in you That's the problem with the uh trap theory being even a possible interpretation is that it inherently undermines my ability to take this video seriously because I either retarded or he's acting in bad faith Like I said, this this fits in with our road gallery of just insane people making these insane videos that no friend told them Bro, I don't know about this one Maybe edit out most of it as your friend. I'm telling you. This is a terrible mistake doesn't outright lie That aspect seems to be unique to his starfield video Well, if only you had seen more and you could make qualitative statements Maybe I'm lying in all my videos and you're doing a disservice by not doing more research I mean, you didn't have to shit this out in three weeks. What did he? Yes And just so we're clear This absolutely is a lie It is a lie the profess no you you haven't proved any of it. Nope. Yeah, that's not how that works Some of your sources You cut out a ton of context so and he makes conflicting arguments Yeah, it's like we're not gonna claim you're lying. We're just gonna say your brain doesn't work I'm talking to people about this. I was like, this is one of the worst angles He could have taken if you really wanted to attack me because there are legitimate things that he could have gone after And he went after that I'd lied on something that I didn't lie about He could have fucking gone from the he's just wrong about it angle and he was dangerous He was dangerous with yeah, I was wrong and it was dangerous that I was wrong because I spread information But no, he's attributing to malice what could be attributed to a more dramatic story, isn't it? If you're a liar then that you just got something wrong Well, and it's because he's got a big fucking chip on his shoulder and he wants to prove everybody that I'm like malicious But if I'm just wrong then there's a path to redemption He's apparently completely unaware if he had done all that in one minute It would have been more effective Is this whole fucking section so busy and confusing and repeats upon itself? Are you like what the hell's going on? It is difficult to track his arguments But we got him I can repeat them back On the second monitor and when the video is over you're supposed to go I guess that was a pretty convincing argument You'd be surprised how many people he had like sources and stuff for the things he said he must have been correct I wasn't misled More blackpilled on that every single day that like the vast majority of people listening to youtube videos are not listening to them Hey, I picked Winston That doesn't use design documents just like it's a lie, but Emil hates design documents Just that wasn't a lie. It's an extrapolation Yeah, it's an inference which he has done on you many times I think what I think what's driving me a little bit mad is that it's an extrapolation that makes perfect sense Yeah, if he is in line with or rather maybe maybe it would be too far to say that he hates them But it certainly is a reasonable extrapolation that he believes that it's better now With the way that he talked about it because the way that he put it in that in that conversation was What we learned by the time we're getting a fallout 3 is that the design document was getting outdated You know that and then of course the other quote of the game is the design document These are all things that are obviously being said in a positive way that we are doing it better now that we've learned something now So again, it's it's it's not a lie. It's a reasonable extrapolation of what he said Yeah Us like it's a lie that fallout 4 was made entirely without design documents Just like it's a lie that this is a a magic phrase that really explains everything wrong with this Because like isn't real Yeah, but you never thought of that All right now now talk about starfield No, no, we don't talk about starfield. I know it's been an hour. It's been 10 hours It's been an hour and 40 minutes of your video. Can we please talk about the games in question? No, I now submit my own evidence uh starfield This game no design Insanity patrician tv will defend this by saying that because he says one time in an eight hour video That design and writing director and will paglia rulo. It's true. That's why I put it up front Yep, that's the part that people see It's a design document But that it is very short and he believes the game itself is the real design document And you dumbass half the examples you use with me saying that there's no central design document It doesn't like This would be this whole fucking video such a waste of time on behalf of the evidence best Like this is the thing when he says There is not a giant design document where the whole game is outlined. What can you do with that? Well, I'm saying it more for this guy then, you know, what what is the What's the defense that you're going to oh or rather? Why is it that the claim of are there all of these problems with the game and how it seems like the systems aren't Uh designed together, but that they were designed almost independently and thrown together at the end Almost like there wasn't a design doc It's like well He said there wasn't a giant design doc where the whole game was outlined and that the game itself Was the actual working documents. These are things that he said He's confusing. That's what I would say about this Well, we know this because there are as many as seven individual arguments For why patrician is wrong that all can't coexist Yeah And i'm sorry to be the one to tell you this. Oh, no, but that is not how Nice ox or sorry maryum webster Oh god him Miriam webster defines truth is the body of real Hang on here though because if i'm just wrong Then i'm still sincere in my actions character It's your truth your truth, baby. It's your truth. Yep. Yeah Though seriously, uh, I will say this is an e-fab first. No one has ever cited the dictionary definition of truth to own someone That's pretty That's a bit of a slam dunk right there. Well, I was gonna say you Slithering around this one because there's no escape It's like the one where what was it? Was it was it was it in this instance when um When somebody slammed dunk so hard that it shattered the uh The backboard that was made out of gloss Yeah, well that happens in a lot of stuff in real life. Yeah That does happen a lot of stuff I was gonna say it's it's a commentary channel staple to have the random like google definition of doxing whenever they talk about that topic so To kind of see it in my own takedown is pretty fun Truth work comes to the club truth is not a one and done. We're shut up. I want seriously I'm trying to concept you do you you're in no position to lecture us about this That's what I mean. He needs a friend to tell him like, you know what part where you cited the definition of truth Maybe don't with that bit and he's like that's the thing is there's no There's no evidence that never knows best has any youtube friends So he's got nobody that he could have run this video by and imagine why not to get a perspective on like hey Do you think this is a good idea? The people who are like super fans of this channel, did you not get a little uncomfortable at this part like oh god He's citing truth of the dictionary again Yeah, god, where the ass all the way and then lie over 30 times. You're still a liar over 30 times Yeah, except you've lied a shit ton in this like I can't even keep track of the number of lies that you've told Well by his definition of truth and lies, he's lied hell of a lot more than you have Absolutely But that even the one time when you do tell the truth One time trapped in a single time. That's one truth per eight hours Damn, I didn't know I told the truth once. Why would I even bother doing that? That'd be out of character at that point Does this not at all feel like he has looped this several times though? Yes, we are repeating ourselves. Yeah, we're really looping. I feel yeah. Yeah, we get it. He's a terrible lying cult leader Yeah, I'm okay. What what else what else make oil snake oil anything else other than my thesis statement taken by itself without the rest of the section Emil doesn't mention a central design talk at all and at no point does he say it's very short Except the other quotes that we went over I'm sorry. He didn't say short. He said little I'm sorry That I didn't use the exact word It's a little design talk not a short one. It's a little design document not a short one lion tv Literally if the if the if the height of criticism against me is like semantic argument about language, then I feel pretty good Did it you won youtube damn What he actually says in your quote is almost the opposite but that isn't a Giant design that's not the quote. It's the other one. He talks about on the other quote not this one Do you think is the inverse of a giant design document never? If it's not a giant design document What would it what how would you describe that? an enormous one a bigly one Everything but that everything is still documented. Oh fuck off. We're back to the billion arguments thing So even in your example of telling you desperate that I guess you thought you showed you from any He hates the fuck out of you by the way What did you do to him? His wife that's Skyrim. Oh did I Because I know there was that it have you done anything since the Skyrim streamers. He just been like seething holding on Well in the Skyrim video, I would say that I categorized him in the 80 percent of bad Skyrim videos Wow, that would that would be the extent of it since the Skyrim stream. Yeah So he's been holding on to that for years now. Just waiting fighting his time to okay video on you So that gets into my theory So his issues with youtube started in september of 2021 and the next video the one that actually got affected by that whole adult Game review thing came out in november around the same time as my stream on him So that is very possible that he's associating me with all of the woes that he's having on youtube and harboring this mega grudge YouTube watched your stream and we're like, yeah, this guy made a really bad skyrim video. We better to monetize his channel Yeah That's a rational thing to think It's like you well, I mean, he's not an entirely rational person. I think he's mentally unwell I think he definitely needs to sort out. He's clearly got some demons that he needs to fight. Um, the sad part is Generally speaking anybody that I've wronged. I'm open to talking to you and trying to reconcile that but The full extent of how much he's lied about me has made it very difficult for me to ever entertain Talking to him. Oh, I wouldn't blame you. Yeah, I wouldn't blame you. I don't blame you And all criticism what you say still isn't even true Crazy nutrition tv will continue to prevent this by saying it's just a meme and if anyone misrepresents it What You never said it's just a meme so he's lied about you He said he said that's how you refer to it when in here you said no design doc meme, which by the way I mean not that you necessarily meant it this way, but that's become a way to describe a thing Uh meme like an event or an item. No, it's a meme is an iota of information Yeah, yeah, it's it's the literal definition of meme that people normally don't use when they say it on the internet But it is but um, he's live. It's too late. He's lied about you And that i'm saying up front that it lost nuance in my script when people parrot it Yeah, if people say over and over that there's no design document then Yeah, it lost its nuance, but that's not my fault. I said and I gave all of the evidence in the video and that's what I was talking about with the um People assuming that Emil was the lead on skyrim. I never said that but people walked away from my video assuming it was true Am I responsible for that misinformation? No because I flat out said that it wasn't the case That's their fault But again, sorry, but saying it's a meme doesn't justify it. That's not He's lost. He's lost. He's not even Yeah, he's he's gone outside and he's poking holes in the ground. He doesn't know what's going on It makes it worse because it means that you knew this phrase that you repeated so many times No, I also said lack of central design document. You included that in your montage Why would you include that in your montage if you wanted to make this point? And yes, it is a meme. I said it over and over because it's a punchline Yeah, you literally like jokes about it sometime Allowing it to spread even further. That's what memes do and that's exactly what it did And so you knew but they also get distorted over time like who posts the actual woe jack anymore versus the soy jack derivatives That have been created as a result of it True um art man All I'm having is moments of just like he's still going Still going on this. Yeah, he's really trying to bank hard on this and it reeks of desperation Well, and he's confident that he's convinced you at this point. I guess he is The problem is I watched the video and I read the shit he put on the screen Yeah, so that's embarrassing The lie would spread and I think we can probably assume that you knew this could seriously hurt the reputation I had no fucking clue how popular the starfield video would be I know I said that it was a guaranteed million view video no matter what I got but like No, I didn't know that the fucking thing was going to spread like wildfire and the emel was ever going to address it I thought the emel wouldn't I thought the status quo would be maintained Well, you said as much right as the couple you say and he won't hear anything you say. Yeah Guess you were lying Yep, I knew all along 4k The lie is about And this also needs to be recognized What youtubers do make mistakes and youtube? Oh Oh 40 minutes into this Finally going to clarify that you can make mistakes. Where the fuck was this opinions? Now what's the sad violin music it's sad violin music because he's having to admit that it's possible. I wasn't lying Which sucks, you wouldn't have to yeah Which means that this video would be pointless Factual errors, but there is a difference between a youtuber getting something wrong by accident And deliberately crafting a lie designed to hurt and discredit someone who hasn't even done a fucking irony, dude You have not Yeah, you haven't talked about any of the game or the stories or the plots You haven't made a video that is actually here's the top 10 lies about Emil Pagli rulers writing Actually fox couldn't get into that radioactive chamber because It was he was too big. See look at the model. Ha disproven couldn't do it This is something that he would say if he was super insecure about his own line Little bit anything to them other than being involved in the development of a game they dislike We don't need to hold youtubers to the highest possible standards of reporting But surely there should be at least some standards about what a youtuber can and can't say In order to get views and money. Yeah, because I got me because I got That's your angle views and money. Where's the sponsorship? Do you know how fucking lit up my email inbox is with sponsorship offers? Yes, I do if if it was all about money All about money. Where the fuck is my fucking rake on or raid legends sponsorship? You can't just hold up a mirror to everything you just said Yeah Fudge against a game developer Of course patrician tv tries to use the same blame-avoiding tactic over Criticizing emil by saying this I don't feel like clarifying every single time I say his name that I think Todd Howard could have pushed back against emil's impulses Or trying to guess where the line between emil pagli rulo and will shin was Just bear in mind moving forward that starfield's problems are not to blame on one single person By account pagli rulo learns to hate design documents with fallout 3 And so his next lead project of fallout 4 went without one By the way, this clip looks like I edited together two different parts to use irony to emphasize my point But that's just an insert. You don't have to read too much into it It was different days recordings It seems a bit schizo doesn't he I didn't that's actually how his video goes Just bear in mind moving forward that starfield's problems are not to blame on one single person By account pagli rulo, but yeah, that that was in a rerecord Because I realized that like I realized with the initial version of the video that I was going a bit too hard on emil And so I wanted to put a clarification in that like yeah, he's not to blame for everything Of course not Yeah, he's only one guy A gajillion people made the game and we don't we don't have everything wrong with the game is the bad writing And we don't have a lot of information about who did what or who's to blame for what so Pagli rulo learns to hate design documents with fallout 3 But sure he got me with this one His next lead project of fallout 4 went without but boy. I'm never is really insecure about Seeming like he or being perceived as he's as if he's taking things out of context as though There weren't a billion fucking clips where it was obvious that he was taking things out of context already I feel like I've heard you say this clip though like a billion times at this point Like he just keeps playing it over and over again and pointing at you and saying This is not a very efficient video very loopy loopy and Is that really explains everything wrong with this game? No design Document we are again now that is me editing two clips together to show the irony of the original statement. Okay You cannot say I'm not blaming one person one single time Before spending hours and hours blaming one single person where the blame No, I'm sorry. You talked about the writing You only watched the first couple hours You wouldn't know what the the remainder of the video is largely just a standard analysis No, he does because he hit control f on the transcript, right? You don't mind how he how he's mathed this out is so fucking Crude he basically said like every reference to a lack of design doc in a centralized way is you saying it's a meal's fault But that's the funny part too is I front loaded all of this developer stuff at the beginning And then like it recursed in the video But the the remaining six hours that he didn't watch is not all about him all Well, no, it does as you've admitted you're not even exactly sure where responsibility starts and ends between each person But we know that they are still responsible for the game Is baked into your central thesis That's not how this works Okay, but All right, I'll keep that one. Do we want to move on now? Okay now come on now If we agree or disagree with you you repeating yourself doesn't help either of those No, it just it just pisses us off more and more You can do it, buddy. You can move on to another thing now, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm overreacting and no one Yes, you are and I've got the wrong impression Called him a cult leader. You might be overreacting a little bit Let's look at you took 40 minutes to admit that it could have been a mistake Oh, now he's gonna look at comments that relate to a meal. That's all we're gonna be doing Why didn't you look at the youtube comments on the toxin story? Pop comments to find out Quote and this one's at the very top It warms my heart to see rage against emil hands down the worst writer. I've had to suffer through Why did you highlight it? What is the only comment emil say? The essentially scrap design documents after fool out three What's funny too is his highlighting is making it hard to read because he's highlighting dark mode with Yeah, he's highlighting. Yeah, it's just white text. Why would you highlight white text with orange? Because he's a fucking moron Makes everything they've done since makes so much more sense There's nothing wrong with that statement Even if it turned out it was completely not true if a meal wasn't even a real fucking person He was a ghost It would still be a statement that makes sense because you're like you're looking for how this all happened It's funny that youtube commenter had the wherewithal to include the clarification Makes me wonder how many antidepressants must be consumed by his team He sounds like the worst boss. He gives vague directions Blames everyone else when those directions fail and then takes credit for what works This comment goes on for a while by the way That sounds like it lines up with what I've heard from Emil He called him a petulant manchild after the 15 part twitter thread. He says as much Yeah, you're right Yeah, like it literally just says just or is bitching on twitter Job is proof Bethesda doesn't value their employees mental health And it continues Emil's entire shtick about not using design documents earns his reputation in spades Another title of this video can definitely be why design documents are important Look, no offense to people who are my viewers, but these are just some people that got likes on youtube That's out of your control Well, but if the if the way these statements are made clear and correct is by saying why design docs that are Central are important or something like that. You know, I mean like I don't think it's very fair to just be like this is this is absolute misinformation being spread like wildfires Well, hang on The sentiment is just the functionality of something that unifies them in the project But as we've been over having one would mean that they managed to just fuck up the execution from the design doc Because this was a damn good thesis Emil is the textbook definition of failing upwards. It's actually insane how obviously incompetent he is There are almost 6000 comments as of me writing this and about half of the top ones About emil or design documents or both Okay, but Okay I mean, I guess that proves this point that my video talked about emil Good job. It took you 40 minutes, but This is just one video Well, then how did other places react? Here's reddit straight after this video went up quote I don't give a fuck what people on reddit are saying I So this is just his like look how far your nonsense has spread She's like, yeah, I get bored of this too Let emil go do something else and for the love of god use a god damn design That's in caps lots, so I guess I was meant to shout Of course, you're not gonna shout you're fucking You're the wounded animal liveable leak risked limp risked bullshit Documents at Bethesda. Wow this fucking person on reddit even knew to add the clarification Sir limp of house risked a genius move when you have 400 plus employees Let's just wing it nothing back and come out of that right So no no, I really don't agree with emil's design process or The absolute lack of care and laziness to not have any core design document is something Hey, look this this reddit included the fucking clarification too Design document is something you'd expect from an in one of the good ones in turn not a seasoned veteran like emil Or no a lack of design documents is directly responsible for the design failure that was starfield emil is an idiot Are you gonna include the rest of that It seems like a salient point. By the way, the commenter said he is an idiot not emil's an idiot So he just lied I was a lie Got him Sorry, it's a semantic distinction. Straight up lie. So damn That's the most important thing in the universe is what I picked up from this This video And what's what's more is he not only saw it read it and then ran it through like a this little thing So he saw it many times and he still chose to lie. This is the biggest lie. We've come across today. What a lie Such lies got him. There are so so so many examples like this Wow people on the internet commenting How horrifying And all of them of course were posted directly after patrician tv's video and not even just in the normal videos can be somewhat influential Friendly reminder that emil pagliorello went on record saying that starfield did not have a design document Design documents have a literal foundation of game design Emil pagliorello is the man to blame for writing in Bethesda games He is the one who is against design documents in Bethesda Emil pagliorello deemed starfield. Well, there's nothing. I don't care about any of these people So we're just gonna have to wait Yeah to meet a design document He claimed in a talk, but design documents were a waste of time that coupled with him whining about it afterwards Really speaks to his ego On and on and on design document design document design document design document design document design document design document design document design document Why haven't you talked about the game at all? Yeah talking about the fucking I all of this is like gonna be almost entirely dependent on whether or not the game is or isn't trash Why are you not talking about that? It's really weird Like the people thought it was good and that they thought that this guy did a good job And then when they heard no design document, they were like, oh my god, it's actually terrible Or do you think that people already didn't like the game? And then they wanted to find how this has happened. What's the reason and lo and behold they found this It's like, oh, that's interesting. That could actually explain a lot Not only could have explained a lot, but it can potentially retroactively explain a lot about friar games as well Yep Eating this video or citing someone else that originally cited this video And of course where anti Bethesda sentiment grows youtubers will always follow We can only assume we are told is true Which is xerik's known this shit for longer than i've been a youtuber fuck off He's part of the old he's he's old school No, legitimately that xerik's a trend follower xerik had a reasonable perspective on this Motherfucker is selling snake oil as well Yeah Emil Pagli Rulo proudly presents us with starfield Proudly proud of the fact that he did not use a central design document proud Even he knew to add the clarification xerik's pretty smart Proud of the fact that everyone kind of does their thing in a bubble proud of the storytelling that they have made for it Who else are we to look at and judge during a speech? Emil Pagli Rulo had explained that there's a little to no internal documentation during development of their games Oh, even this guy included the clarification He sounds like the worst. Yeah, this guy. I don't trust this guy It is very like more like creep tosis believe that this lack of documentation is the reason why Bethesda I completely flip flops on issues like whether ghouls need food and water and fallout Given the fact that ml himself says they don't do game design documents I need to stress this point. These documents are what keeps the team in line and on track for the most part It's essentially a vision of what the final product should look like rather than just letting people do whatever the fuck they want It's like the equivalent of not having blueprints when building a fucking skyscraper But it might have something to do with not having a lore master Not having design documents and not being beholden is something someone wrote 20 years ago In fact, a small youtuber named blaze even made two standalone videos on it Oh my goodness Damn And these ended up being the first videos on his channel to take off I wonder who inspired man. He it's it's the Look This is blaze's video But like he's gonna make a point that like oh, he was inspired by me. So He was not only inspired by you, but the views and money that you may you stand guilty of reading thought crime Yeah, but you were lying for money and now he can lie for money. Everyone lies for money patrician tv just put out their most recent video, which is Quick review of starfield but As of the time of this recording, I literally could not have finished that video But there's a reason why I decided to stop and make this video now and that's because right at the beginning of That video He talks about something or rather he reveals something about Bethesda's development strategy that is so mind-bogglingly just Astonishingly stupid It is the fact that according to a meal one of the highest higher ups at Bethesda That they don't use a design document When making their games Well, this section took a while you fucking bet it did. Yeah Jesus. Yeah, Jesus. That's the first honest thing you've said so far But at least we've come to the end of the patrician tv part of this video Oh, so now we got the the grand finale here. Oh wait wait patrician. What do we get to the fucking the part? I most anticipated this whole video. I've been waiting for this whole night. What is that? Hang on. Let me control f here Oh my god, one hour 52 minutes. Oh, thank god. We're almost there Thank goodness. You know what chat? Chat the true the true fans who stayed you're in for a treat soon You're liars. Why don't we at least? Let's him say his closing line though after talking about his video for so long Oh, yes, and that's why I find it I'm surprising just a genuine because there's no normal reason why you would include the final part You're including the final part because you're going to build an argument on it Well, remember he he didn't watch the remaining six hours. So he skipped to the end to get your final thoughts I'm surprising you just get a fucking AI to just have you go in. I'm a lying liar face Look at me dance and lie Money and lies The code leader speaks Why don't we at least let him say his closing line though after talking about his video for so long It's only fair I guess and that's why I find a sense of finality with this project A sense of poetic closure There is not an image smug enough to portray how vindicated I feel it years of Bethesda fans denying what I had to say and being rewarded with this game Starfield is I cut I can't help but fucking see the parallels with us and snider Rebel moon it was like years of talking about it That rebel mood comes and gets the fans like oh, I enjoy that one. Absolutely the game that you deserve Well, that's a nice fine line. I suppose very punchy. Yeah, that's a good ending delivery, yeah But it does sound a little bit familiar to me. Oh, I mean it kind of sounds like something I might write I thought he was gonna say I Say it's something that he might say I thought he was gonna go the direction of like this sounds like something I'm propel patine would say I don't know what it was, but I had a feeling he'd say maybe I'd say it Because he's ramping up to some point about himself and maybe how he used to be like patrician or something No, there's no honorable parts of this. It's all it's all It's a catchy great thing to end on so much so that when we covered rebel moon I said rebel moon is the movie that zack snider fans deserve Like it perfectly summarizes Both of these projects magically well my reaction to this is to just say all right. I'm waiting for the punch line It's seriously it's it is the parallels are just are they hard to or not see, you know In fact, it kind of sounds like something I did write But if you are someone who only prays the outer worlds because that prays It's good Wait, this is gonna be copyright the fuck out of us Uh, well, this is a song from the game. Then maybe it's no, it's not. I have no clue what song this is I have to play it in pieces. I remember this We can't hear what he fucking says Okay, wait, I got a better solution. Is that a bad thing though? I will rewind it for you guys. I'm gonna mute on my end and then you guys have to tell us what is said once you've heard it, okay All right I can't speak either champ. I'm sorry I'll mess it up for them But if you are someone who only prays the outer worlds because that prays Fits nicely into your Bethesda dominated worldview, then I just want you to know That the outer worlds Is exactly the game you deserve Hmm Okay Yeah, so that's what he said Well, I mean, it's it's literally one of the most things you get what you fucking deserve. It's like it's a It's a really common phrase And sometimes it works really well, so people put it in their youtube videos Wait, so I don't know I'm guessing it's meant to be like, uh, see I used to be a piece of shit or something Or is he just saying patrician steals everything from other people? No, I I feel like it's gotta be the idea of like the reason why the reason why I understand and can provide this analysis of patrician Yeah, there it is because I used to be him, you know I used to be him Didn't even spell Zach, right What? It's been a long day. I know my letters. Damn it What what's going on? I'm trying to it's zack. That's how you spell his name. I thought it was zak I don't know why it's been a long day All right, I'm dealing with this bullshit Oh, the efap is gonna go nuts. They got their first like almost 12 hour in a long time. We're not done yet Yeah, yeah, we've been oh boy. All right. Yeah. I thought it. What is it zac? Here's a zack. That's how he spells. Okay. All right There's an open it up many many many different ways to spell it. I thought he had I thought he had the weird way I thought I thought maybe I just associate him with weird stuff that most people don't do Because I have seen his name before I know people who have that as their first name So I guess I just associated him with that The point is this isn't important and zaks nighter sucks. Yes Although I don't understand why my voice always sounds so different every video Anyway, that's a very strange coincidence Seeing as it's your same final line and about the same subject Bethesda But for all I know patrician tv doesn't even watch my content Okay, we're not actually going I said that I thought he was going here. We're going Come on guys. Where else would he go? Well, I don't know what freaky suggested was more normal Funnily enough, what freaky suggested was still ad-hitched, but it was still more normal than this It was slightly like the door was at least a little bit on the edge. Yeah nice Except it seems that there's almost 12 hours of him watching and talking about my videos on stream Okay friend for anybody who's not quite fond of this It seems we are building the case that patrician stole his last line of saying the fans got what they deserved from This this guy. Yes, that was best And I want to say There's someone else in this call who's used us use that line in one of their videos I wait is it me? Or the cretosis It's fringy in his in-game video. Uh, oh, yeah, I think I said, yeah, I'm pretty sure I would have said that I think I had it because I think I had the jerk or the clip in there. Yeah Yeah, I probably didn't say that. I didn't know I I definitely used the joke for me Yeah, of course because it's a meme. It's a really good name Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Fringy. Did you or did you be honest? Did you or did you not watch never knows best channel fully? Don't lie, we'll know The phoenix right music is playing right now except it's gonna be it's not gonna be it's the It's like right before then the the like uno reverse card plays and then phoenix right is like, oh, shit. Oh, I'm a little bit of trouble Um, I, I saw a Joker, I saw a Joker and he said, you get what you deserve. And well, that was not the first time that those words have ever been honored by any stupid ever. So that's something he mentioned. He doesn't mention is his Outer Worlds video was only four months after the theatrical release of the Joker. Oh, right. Cause joking, wait, wait, was it? Yeah. 2019. I like it. It's like four years ago. Yeah. For some reason I thought four years ago was 2017. I know it's, it's getting old. Just enjoying that. This is real. This is really pathetic. Yes, it is. I don't even want to get over this. The faster we hit play, the faster we'll get through this fucking allocation. This video is crazy. Unpredictable. I'd never thought that he was going to say. Well, and remember, my section's over. Yeah, but that's right. There's this little addendum feel section. But he finally admits what this video is about. But why would he even be watching a video on the Outer Worlds? No one cares about the Outer Worlds in 2023. What if he was curious? Just made a video on the Outer Worlds. He's filming it out. He's filming it out. Yeah, he's making his case or covering stuff. The music is playing the Phoenix Wright music, like when he's starting to gain momentum. He's doing this. This is madness. I'm thinking of the Joker theme. Of the it going da, da, da, da as it builds up to the big line. Or is this him dancing down the stairs right now? Yeah, drinkers in chat probably don't take how fucking long we've been streaming, which, by the way, is not represented accurately by this stream. We would go for longer than that. No, we may go for longer. Yeah. Oh, my God, it's almost or eight minutes till tomorrow. Oh, my God. Yes, I want to highlight, though, the the what we're currently dealing with is that one of the one of the guests we have today made a video which they have the line, the fans of X got what they fucking deserved. I don't even know if you put fucking in there. I can't remember very well. But we've got a person in this video claiming that's plagiarized from their video and they're currently making the case for it. He's legitimately is trying to argue that he owns that phrase. That phrase belongs to him. He was the clever boy who thought of it. How many times has Gary said that line on stream? How many times has everybody? How many times has every fellow human's like this is madness? Come on, man. Again, he's the friend to be like, we're almost there. I don't know what to do. We're almost to the best part. I don't know what to do. By the way, this isn't even the part I'm referring to. I don't even know about this. Yeah, no, it gets better. There's a point. You're going to love it. You guys will lose it as well because we're fucking on fume power for our brains. OK, probably not a coincidence then. But it is just one line. I wouldn't want to invoke everyone's new favorite P word over something as small as that. Now, I bring it up that I have only watched about two or three hours of patrician's content and I can only recognize things that are copied from my writing because I can. He's actually this is kind of a summative video. I don't even play to this. This is a call to action. He's like, wait. So this video definitely came out after the H bomb ago video, right? Yes, I was just about to say this. OK, well, that was part of my defense deep into the video. That was part of my defense was that the renders for my Starfield video and there's proof of this were after the H bomber guide discourse had taken off. Well, I'm actually like a little bit flawed right now. I was like, you're actually going to try and make the argument that and he's doing it because it's hot topic like to go after plagiarists. He's he's he's throwing in everything that he can. Pathetic and only remember my own stuff. And I'm not even sure if I can remember all of that. So it is strange to find something all of it based on a fucking line from a movie that you are copying. Like, what the fuck this is so pathetic like this. Because if I found one thing in two hours, then if you were to check all of the many hours and against. Do you know how James Summerton was exposed? It's because people were watching his videos. They're like, wait a minute, like I recognize this shit. All the people watching patricians, I guess all of the people that he's stolen from just haven't found it yet. But you'll be found out in due time, my good friend. The writing of all YouTubers. Then that's statistically not the most promising thoughts. I mean, I'm not saying don't trust. I'm just saying maybe you also verify. Yeah, OK, man. Thank you. Blend this now. Yeah, here it goes. Oh, and he even brings up the video. The people who borrow one thing sometimes borrow more. He hasn't borrowed anything from you. Fucking normal. That is that is you said you get what you deserve. And it's like, that sounds very similar. And also all of the writing in general is similar to the way that I do it. What is going on? Well, they do say imitation is the highest form of flattery. Wow. Yeah, you're not fucking losing it, man. This is not true. Don't flatter yourself. So I would never have guessed that this is where we would be ended up. If you not in a million years would I have guessed that this would all be leading up to accusations that Patricia TV is stealing, is basically plagiarizing from never know space. Well, at that point, if you thought I was stealing, why wouldn't you watch the remaining six hours? Yeah, so you can get all the references instead of that. Well, he doesn't like watching cult leading liars. So why would he do that? Seems like a snake oil salesman stuff. What if he got convinced by you after the many hours? That would be awful, because then you would have tricked him. And besides, you would have tricked him with his own words because you plagiarize. Well, that would be even worse. Yeah, I guess I didn't know you were such a big fan of mine. I'm not. I want one in my eyes and I've heard a lot of bad things about you. So I never felt compelled to watch anything else you've ever made. Oh, my God, this is the first time I felt a little sad that Gadel was retired, because this has been fucking hilarious. You can just take this whole section one for one, people would never fucking believe it. You're like, that's such a stupid meme. You're like, yeah, yeah, sure is. Speaking of which, what did you have to say about? Is this it? We're here. All right. Oh, yes. This is the part. Cool. You talk about your brain. So we'll let. Should we just put your response part on instead of this? Yes, because my response part includes the part. Well, no, no, play what he played. Let's just get the chat so we know. Yeah, so we know what he's very well. So this this will be his side of it. All right, you get what's going to happen is chat will laugh and they won't even they don't even know what's on the way. They won't even know. They don't even know. Which is not true. But it is what they say. So thanks, I guess I didn't know you were such a big fan of mine. Speaking of which, what did you have to say about me? You're a cuck. Guys, seriously, tip, tip of the comedy iceberg. I'm not even kidding. Oh, my God, he's upset. You called him a cuck. This is all because you called him a cuck. It's all coming together. It's the missing piece of the puzzle. This is the Rosetta Stone to decipher this whole saga. It's because you call him a cuck two years ago. Never let it go. It's been simmering in his heart for years now. It's burned a hole inside of him that he could never fill. This is amazing. He needed everyone to see it as well. He's like, look, look, look at this cruelty. Cuck two years ago. And now the chickens are coming home to roost. My God, there's so much more to uncover. You're such a big fan of mine. Oh, my God, speaking of which. What did you have to say about me? You're a cuck. You're a fucking cuck. Not only are you a cuck, you're like fat bastard cuck. Oh, I guess he doesn't like me. Anyway, I'm mostly bringing this up just to acknowledge it. It seems Patricia TV is not a fan of mine, and I'm not really sure why. I've never interacted with him. So this is a one sided relationship until now. So is it time to give the full context? Yes. Oh, my goodness. We have we have to find it, because I can't I got I got your video ready. OK, you've got you've got it down to the part. Let's just make sure one five to fifties where we were. Is I suppose we will be returning. But yeah, I've got I've got the timestamp as well. All right, so in he lands, this is the liars response lying through his teeth. The cult leader with all of his snake oil dribbling down the whole video. You know what we're going to have to do. Is seven seven twenty eight is where I'm going, I believe. That sounds right. It's seven twenty five. That should do it. All right, here goes. I, who was avoiding this conversation, the last thing I want to mention is that never says I called him a cuck. Still find that fucking funny. Like you have to address these allegations like an adult. You're not ready. Nobody's ready for this. Bring it on. Fucking get your seatbelt on. I'm not even kidding. Are you really? Yes, you're not ready for this. This is this was shocked to me. Speaking of which, what did you have to say about me? You're a cuck. You're a fucking cuck. Not only are you a cuck, you're like fat bastard cuck. Oh, I guess he doesn't like me. The context he leaves out is that it is in response to the following quote he said in his Skyrim video. I suppose now that you've stuck with me for five hours, I should admit that the basis of my ex-lover theory comes from personal experience. I love this series. The Otis Girls was like the first serious long term relationship of my gaming dating life. Why? It was the one that it understood me. Listen, this is going to be... You got to let him cook on this one. Is he leading up to a milk cuck thing? I'm just going to roll it back up. You got to let him go. Yeah, you got to let him go. Personal experience. I love this series. The Otis Girls was like the first serious long term relationship of my gaming dating life. I thought it was the one that it understood me. That of all the games that I made, it was the one that was designed just for me. I guess I was young and naive. I didn't understand that things would change for both of us. A lot has happened since those early days, but I'll always cherish those memories. I've never felt as connected to any virtual world as I did to you back then. And now I'm getting older, I wonder if I'll ever feel that way about the virtual world again. I know you've got an older too. I guess you've moved on. But I still wonder sometimes if you miss it. And I know you've achieved a lot. It's incredible really looking at how far you've come. But you had a passion back then. It was a spark. You understood what it meant to dream. And I just don't, you still understand that. I hear you're with a new guy now. One with more money than me. Oh my fucking god. What? What? Metaphor, you're a fucking cuck. Really? Or you're a fucking cuck. Really? If you're own metaphor, you're a cuck. He's calling him a cuck. It's true. Oh my god. The little fucking weasel cuck. The little weasel cuck. Cuck too long, it's big. What? What? Oh my god. What can men do against such recklessness? Like what is this? That's insane. Oh my fucking god. You're a cuck. You're a cuck in your own metaphor. You're a fucking cuck. Really? Why would you... I hope it works out for you. I moved on too, you know. Actually, I ended up starting a YouTube channel. You never guess what it's about. And it's been going pretty well. Although sometimes the videos do get a little weird. Well, this isn't exactly how I expected I'd end this series. But here we are. Hey Elder Scrolls, if you're listening... You literally... Not only are you a cuck, you're like fat bastard cuck. Leaving out the context that you set up the joke yourself that Elder Scrolls was your girlfriend who left you for a richer guy is really all I needed to hear to know that I did not need to take this seriously. The thing is, I think he was serious. I couldn't... He's the stuff that you pointed out. His analogy made him the cuck. His own analogy did that. It's not even really. It goes further than that. I had to two times speed it because it's so fucking long. It is long. It's his fucking love letter to... You know what? It's his love letter to life. I love how you just fucking give up. It's like, really? How do you respond? How do you take this seriously after this? Okay, at this whole time I've been on Team Trap. How do you not understand my perspective at this point? Like, what? I don't know how many years it's gonna take but one day he will listen back to that and be like, fuck it, hell. I did say that. Jesus. That's some of the most crazy shit I've ever heard. He had to have to record it and to cut out that specific part. He had to listen to the context. No, I know. I'm saying that he doesn't yet feel ashamed of it though he did cut it out of the context, like you said. I've been told it's based on a real story that he's dealt with. Okay. Can we opt out of this project? I am so lost. I'm scared of the load. I'm so lost. This was not the adventure I think we all thought we were getting into. No, no, no it wasn't. Oh man, when I said this video was a five, I was... Well, what is it, right? It feels like an art film of videos at this point. It feels... This is fucking experimental. We're all changed men. Yeah, I feel like the Hobbits, when they get back to the desire. There is no going home. Life isn't going to be the same after this stream. It isn't, no one can understand what we've been through. What the fuck? When we started this podcast, we didn't think this is where it would go. And this is what it's all about. This is what he's fucking mad about. It's about family. He's mad, you called him a cuck. He's mad, he's mad, you recognized him calling himself a cuck. Yeah, you wouldn't have called out to make it look like... And we're raised into a story he told where like the Elder Scrolls series was a person whom he loved and left him for a rich and mad. I don't understand how this happened. I was not ready for that. I was not ready. I wasn't. We don't have to do anything else, right? That's that. No, as far as I know, that's it. We hit the pre-tosis and the Portraitian TV sections. Like, I feel like... Do we want to like watch the last couple minutes of his to get his final, I guess... Let's see if he can nose dive out of this. But I feel like this is a strong stopping point. This is a hell of a capstone for this stream. Well, I know what fucking chat's going to say. So we made a little nod off that. I feel like, is there any more cuck stuff? Any more cuck stuff, asking for a friend. Cuck. Does he put feet pics in his video? Cuck it, hell. Cuck it, hell. Cuck it, hell, yeah, that's true. Oh, I acted with him. So this is a one-sided relationship until now, I guess. That said, it is a shame because I feel this undermines my video a little bit by making it seem like this is in some way personal. It is personal. Come on. Okay, this is personal. You can't fool anybody. It's way too fucking personal. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. Like, listening to someone rant for the entire night that you come to visit them and all the person they hate did was drop like a Mars bar rapper. You're like, I feel like something else is going on. Like, you have any reason to hate them? Like, well, they called me a cuck five years ago. But I don't think that has anything to do with it. I feel like the therapist staring at their notes, not knowing what to write. I'm just thinking about how much the next appointment is going to have to cost. So can we put this image on stream now? This is a meme that's coming up. Oh, I get it now. I get it now. Now I know the context. It's so much better. Now that I know it's real. This has been a wild ride. We have we've not done something like this ever. I feel like this is a unique episode breaking new ground. Yeah, it's a good follow up to me not talking much the last time. It's so excruciating to go through the fucking whole video with all these repeated arguments, the arguments that even if true wouldn't make much of a difference, like barely showing any context, just straight up bombarding with so many arguments, you didn't realize they contradict. And then ending with you called me a cuck. Years ago, even a good level. That's stupid. So again, he's that friend that to tell him, like, Ro, if you put this in, I think people are going to think that you care a lot about this, like a lot, a lot. And you might encourage people to discover the context. And that's not good. That would be especially if you include the fucking timestamp. Yeah, bro, you should leave this buried. You see, this is like this is like a cursed mummy. You just there was just take it up. There was 12 hours of things I said about him that he could have pulled from. And this is what he this is what he grabbed. Jeez. You thought you could get away with it, but I have slain you, my friend. You are done calling me a cuck two years ago. When it's not this video is something that needed to be made regardless of who it did or didn't feature. So let's get back to the real part of the allegation and let me remind you where we're up to. Patricia TV makes a video saying everything wrong with Starfield is because lack of a design document and that Emil is the one directly responsible for this. Please put also in the summary, he called me a cuck. This idea quickly spreads amidst the community who were just waiting to be told who was really responsible for the fairies of Starfield. They have no agency, huh? And then begins getting attacked on Twitter, leading to a blocking spree. But the criticism keeps coming. So people are criticizing Emil is basically what's happening. That's it. There's not a single fucking post he has of somebody saying, yo, I got blocked by Emil Pagliarulo. This is legitimately the first time hearing of there being a block wave. I thought he just muted the post. Well, are we just not entertaining the idea that someone can just post on his Twitter being annoyed that Starfield is shit? He's a public presence. We just know we know how to do that. He writes, remember, he is making a product. He is a person who is selling you shit. People pay 60 bucks for his game. What's this bullshit about how we have to defend his shitty work? He is not some starving artist who's just giving free stuff. He's making a product for sale. That was a collective break. What a tough thing to say. Can't do that. He's going to make another video on you. He's going to be so mad. So imagine you are Emil Pagliarulo in the situation. OK, I'll get you to hypotheticals. What would I do? Oh, it's hypothetical. I thought there should be a laugh track. What would I do? I would give a presentation where I clarified all this stuff. Yeah, classes. That's good. I would maybe start like a campaign to get a lot of good will in the community and things of that nature. Maybe show like a page of this design document. You know, talk a lot about what the workflow is. Yeah, I want to clarify some things that I said earlier that I could have been clearer on. And we do have a design document. It's kind of it's a little strange. Maybe do some interviews. I'll typically call it that. Yeah, do some interviews. If not with me, with somebody, you know, you've got something to see if you get off his chest. Yeah. And you can even go to a lot of the Bethesda. You can start off by the Bethesda shill channels. You know, you get started there, get yourself sort of, you know, used to the atmosphere and then maybe you can move into some people who are a little bit more critical. You know, warm yourself up to it. Maybe like I'm talking to a child, but, you know, it's whatever. But, you know, it's not, it's fine. You know what I mean? Because ultimately, remember, you are a person who is selling to us consumers a product. This isn't like, we can have a semi-confrontational sort of relationship. We don't have to be your pals or your friends because you are a person selling a product. And if that product is not up to snuff, just like if a movie was written very poorly, or, you know, or a play was written poorly, then just like those people can be criticized, so can you. You're not above any of that. You're a part of it. This is the, this is the game you chose to play and this is just a part of it. Keep in mind, Emil won't have watched any A-Tower video on YouTube because he's a boomer with a family and a job and he's probably not interested in consuming. What the fuck are these personal attacks? Yeah, calling him a boomer with a life? Dang. Wow. I don't know about that, man. Maybe give him some credit. Maybe he'll just like, maybe he'll see, watch a stream that he doesn't like and years later. Yeah. He'll come back with a vengeance. Patricia, seven years ago, you called me a cuck. So I wrote you into a game. I wrote you into Starfield too. And I made you a shitty character. And I made you a shitty character. Just like the rest of, yeah. I made you the shawty jack in space. I made you a space shawty jack and you're a cuck. That would be the ultimate, oh, not on me, if you put me in Elder Scroll 6, but like a parody of me, that would be hilarious. That would be funny. That would mean that you won. That would be amazing. That's a win-win for everyone. Yeah. And Neil, put me in, put me in Starfield too. Sir, her second cuck allegation is at the channel. Like. It's not true. Hours and hours and hours of Bethesda hate content. Hate content. And so, imagine you're Emil and you suddenly notice people are criticizing you on Twitter. And if you've Googled your name, you'll see it's even worse on Reddit. And not only that, but a lot of these people seem to be making assumptions about what happened during the development of Starfield. Not. Blaming you for things you didn't do. Putting words in your mouth that you never said. He's correct about this because that's why it was dysfunctional because Emil got this discourse through a filter instead of directly from the source. Wow. Yeah, it's kind of crazy how he's just now maybe having to engage with something that people have been increasingly over time saying as, you know, going years back. This is not the first rodeo where Bethesda game comes out and everyone's like, man, the writing is shit. Ed, I'm asking for you to be fired or to leave Bethesda. So, what would you do? Oh, we finally get to the Twitter thing. Go on vacation. There's many things I would do. Buy a whore. Do some coke, like you have options. You would do a big rant on Twitter because that's just human nature. I haven't forgotten him saying that. But can you imagine him with a prostitute and he's just like, and they said my game was shit. I wrote Starfield. I am Starfield. She's like, okay, okay, okay, no, it's fine. It's fine. Call me a cuck. Ragged it at that point. I think he'd be saying, call me a cuck. Do it. Oh yeah, he discovers a new finish. You're repeatedly accusing me of things I hadn't done. I'd respond like getting cucked. A little bit. Emil might disagree, however. Yeah, yeah. How do you handle criticism? I've been with you for a long time. You cry? No. Do you really want to take a cry? What? How do you handle, I'll tell you the one, the way you handle criticism, you never engage with the assholes. Never. Don't give him any, everyone is. Is he equating criticism to assholes? Cause if he doesn't follow this up with like, but most of the people or, but a lot of criticism isn't that. So if he doesn't like clarify this afterwards, then he's basically implying people who criticize your work are assholes, which unfortunately makes you the asshole. Which I'll see. Is entitled to their opinion, right? And we realized like, so as we started getting bigger, like we realized there was this weird sort of cumulative effect with everything. When you ship 30 million copies, well 1% of 30 million, a lot of people are going to see it, right? And so if 1% of people don't like something, 1% 30 million, 1% of 30 million, that's a lot of people, you know? So there are a lot. He's desperately trying to do the math in his head and he can't. 1% of 30 million, that's like 10 people, I don't know. So that's a lot, but not, you know? A lot of detractors. And so everyone has their opinion. And you don't engage them, you don't have the Twitter meltdowns, you know, you just sort of take the feedback in. Some of it is valid, some of it's not. Oh my God. There you go. So why didn't he do that? But has he actually done that though? I have no clue where this is going. Adult, stay calm and sort of, you know, try to ask yourself, is this guy right or is he wrong? Is she right or is she wrong? What are they saying about me? So you try to pick out the negativity and take the valuable information. So do I not respond to it or do I do respond to it with the valid parts? Do I do? Yeah, what's an instance of him seeing criticism and changing and not doing it again? But he also said cut out the negative, so does that mean ignore the negative criticism? Most of the criticism will be negative. No, I know. So yeah, all right. Thanks, Emil. That was helpful. And yes, you do take approach to this. So Emil believes don't engage no matter what. Let people talk about whatever they want and just accept that this is part of being a game developer for a popular series. But screeching and jet-ticking. And he also said that you should actually take on board useful criticism. I like how he was paraphrasing. He paraphrased it, so first of all, I just heard it. And he paraphrased it incomplete, like it's not even complete. 13th, six days after Patricia and TV's Starfield analysis went through. Ooh, so what's yours? Yeah, definitely. David, I'm lying, all your fault. You're making a meal out of things. That's what we call bullet points. Just FYI, Nakey Jakey's video came out on the 9th as well. And that kind of fueled like the anti-Stark. Yeah, but that's not you. Yeah, yeah. Did Nakey Jakey call him a card? He ever called me a card. Yeah. That's what I thought. Went live, Emil broke his cardinal rule and had a bit of a Twitter meltdown. Quote, one out of 15. Funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development. Oh, fuck, is he going to read the whole thing very slowly? And get to speak with complete authority. I mean, I can guess what it takes to make a post that's twinkie. But I don't work in the factory, so what the hell do I really know? Not a lot. I know when a twinkie tastes like shit. Yeah. God damn it, Emil. If you didn't make that twinkie analogy, things may have went so much better for you. Why, because he was wrong really now. Even if he didn't make the analogy, he was still engaging in criticalism. Can we not just address the fact that he was wrong, right, right? No, it was an analogy. He said a hypothetical and that boils never's brain. And, but is he wrong? Yes. Yeah, obviously. He's obviously wrong. I don't have to know how to make twinkies to know that a twinkie tastes like shit if I put it in my mouth. He shows a really bad example. Yeah, food is an awful. That's our go-to analogy for why this is wrong. And he did the food analogy. The fool. Yeah. Especially considering that the modern world is built on the idea that people specialize in skills that most people don't have. Yeah. I mean, what are we suggesting that, like, in this argument always works in inverse? Is there any criticism? Well, you know, if, like, I don't know, I just use a snowboard and then as like, am I well poised to tell you what is wrong with that snowboard after using it once? I'd be like, no, I'm not gonna have any clue. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether or not you say something that's correct. So even if you didn't know and you happen to say the correct thing, it doesn't change whether or not it's correct. Well, not only is that true, but there could be someone there who's been snowboarding for like 50 years, uses it once and goes, ooh, and then labels a whole bunch of things that are wrong with it. And someone goes, have you ever made a snowboard? And he's like, no, like, so shut the fuck up. Yeah, exactly. And the funny thing is, if you had the man with 50 years of experience of applying it versus the man who maybe made one snowboard, who would you take, like, for the advice on which snowboard to grab? And he's like, probably the 50 year guy, I guess. Like, if we're gonna get that specific about it. And obviously, all I'm trying to highlight is like, I hate this elitist point of view where it's just like, if you haven't designed a game, then shut the fuck up about complaining on it. Like, that doesn't really make any sense. So good. Some players are disconnected from the realities of game development. And yet they do speak with complete authority. And some of them even have a massive platform. I get it. I'm not mad. I'm not mad at all. I'm not mad. He called me a cuck two years ago. I'm not mad. I'm not. I am not mad. Stop saying that I'm mad. I'm not. So why does everyone keep saying I'm mad? I'm not. I am not mad about the cuck comment. That's not what I'm mad about. Yeah. It's just like that fucking good doctor meme. I am not mad. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I'm not mad smiley face. Yeah, with the tears. Yeah. Not even with the tear, just the regular smiley face, the one that's extra mad. That one, yes. But which is the one that I love with the tears? Oh, well, I like this one as well. That's a funny one. I like the crying cat one. Man, there's so many to choose from. Is it angry? Which one am I looking for? That's the one, yeah. That one and that one. Look at that guy. He is not having a fun time. I am not a cuck. So, is Emil wrong? Is Emil a cuck? Let's continue. I am going to shorten this a bit where I can, but the full version is on screen and in the source list below. Yeah, but you've been moving past it and then blurring it. So what do you suggest here? Part of me really gets it. When you're a consumer and you spend money on things, that gives you the right to complain about those things. Correct. And there was a time I... In fact, I don't even need to abort them to complain about them sometimes. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Exercise that right very freely. When I was writing game reviews for adrenaline vaults forever ago, I was absolutely the person who would say whatever I wanted about the game, good or bad. But throughout that time, I actually had no inkling what game development was like. No, he's going to give us the Chris Stuckman argument. Sorry, I was already aware of this. I knew people would really hard on games. Why is this something that people suddenly learn when they start actually doing it? Oh, it's hard. Really? Really? It's the time I was thinking it was so fucking easy. Oh, gosh. I have books about this topic. When you walk around in the world of Rapture, I don't just go like, wow, they did this in an afternoon. Even as a fucking kid, I'd be like, well, it's obvious every one of these things is an asset. It would have taken 3D modeling and then all the the atmosphere, the music, the graphics, the fucking the way that everything is prompted, all of the triggers of like how game play. Like I'm just saying, you're like, why do you think everything was I hate this stupid, not actually real arc? What's actually happening is the same as Chris Stuckman where you got into it. You're like, all right. I don't want to be critical of it anymore. Yeah, I got to mention this because it's the premise of the video, but I kind of already blew my load on Pat. So. Mentor, what? Well, if the whole point is to talk about me, then like this is just obligatory ending the video in terms of his dumb ass premise for the video being an ML documentary. Mm hmm. What are you going to say for me? I was I going to say anything? Mm hmm. I don't think so. I can't I can't remember what it was. If I wasn't going to say anything. It was in the middle of my Rapture rant. You were going to say you were saying something, but I don't know what it was. I'm sorry. No, I know I I can't remember. Well, I'm going to say something I said in my video cover tweets. No one gives a fuck how hard you worked if the product is shit. Basically, yeah, everybody works hard. If I pay 60, 70 bucks, like a 70 bucks now for Starfield, and it's a really bad game and you tell me, but we work so hard on it. I'd be like, well, I'm sorry. I mean, it's all good to admit that there are people who worked hard on Lord of Ring Golem. There are people who I mean, they say people worked hard on the Third Reich, but you know, I don't know, man. Like it's kind of staying on the payloads who making of that they don't care if it took you like an afternoon or six years and a gallon of blood. And the point the point being that at the end of the day, what people see is what you've created. And if it's good, they'll probably appreciate the hard work that you put into it. But if it's bad, that's not really going to convince them of anything. It'll be like, OK, but it's still bad, though. It's not going to magically make them think it's good. It's certainly not going to do that. And what is the point of the work and doing the work, if not for the end product to speak for itself, rather than, again, to quote, in this case, which Jackie Chan, like, are you going to go around to every theater and explain that you know, you wanted to go home that day, that you that you were tired, you know, that that you just couldn't be bothered to do to do what she needed to do. You're not going to go around and explain how you made it, because that's that's why you show the work, not a behind the scenes documentary in place of the work that you do. Juggled to bring a vision to life with constantly shifting resources. The stress. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, but given my position, I can't not share the truth. And that truth is nobody sets out to make a bad game. Obviously, most game devs are incredibly talented. Obviously, even if the game they release isn't up to par. This is why would why would change? Is nothing. That's that's yeah, like I thought but everybody nobody, of course, people don't people set out to make good odd. Yeah. Does he think that people actually think that people are out there deliberately making terrible video games on purpose? Well, there's probably some people on Steam doing that. Oh, sure. But but it's a by and large general rule for any kind of artistic creation that people are like. Well, so this is the thing. If you were like here right now, you'd almost want to be like so you thought that everyone else thought the opposite of this or rather a large contingent of people did, right? And then he'd be like, he would say no. Necessarily, necessarily. Yeah, I am not necessarily him. So sure, you can dislike parts of a game. You can hate on a game entirely. But don't fool yourself into thinking, you know, why it is the way it is. But we can know that sometimes. Yeah, we can sometimes. And we can only speculate on it in the absence of absolute definitive evidence. Or how it got to be that way. We have been figuring out for ages why things suck in video games. Yeah. Chances are. Remember the was that in colonial marines that there was like a one in place of a zero somewhere in the code that made all the alien AI fuck up? Oh, yeah. That's something that got discovered and fixed and like it was. Yeah. A tiny little error in the coding for one of the biggest issues for why that thing. Well, you know, you know, people feel compelled to know because often it's baffling, right? Like how people are wondering what happened to destiny partway during its development, because the game that was delivered just seemed very different from what was expected and promised. And then when you see stuff that doesn't show up in the game, people are naturally inclined to be like, what the fuck happened? But I mean, it's a sign that they give a shit because it means that they're invested enough to want to know the reason why. Obviously, in this case, a lot of these people would have been disappointed. People in Chasley, they misspelled tether in the code. That's the problem. It's like, oh. Oh, they have never. Jeez, so sad. Oh, unless you've made a game yourself, you don't know who made certain decisions. Who did specific work? How many people were actually available to do that work? Any time challenges faced? Or how often you had to overcome technology itself? But what's interesting about this is the the more information you have access to about the production of a thing and the more humanity you're aware of, the less you're able to actually judge it like objectively, essentially. Because what he's saying is essentially true. If I knew about all of the like pregnancies that got in the way of people arriving on set on time or injuries or the amount of effort someone was putting in, getting everything ready for everything. And then something like a lightning strike fucks a thing up. And then I see the final thing and it's like, you know, insert shitty movie here like MOM. And then, you know, you're all ripping into it. And I'm like, yeah, they did. They were, you know, I mean, like it would make me almost useless in talking about it, because I would feel so bad about people involved. Of course. Yeah, I agree with that. That the more like if you were going to Bethesda every week and watching them and chatting with them and talking about it, of course, that's going to make you less harsh towards it because there's a face that you put into to all of the all of the work that was done compared to if you can treat it as just like a nebulous group of people. You know, anything about. Also, he's making a point. We can only work with the information that we're given. So if people are coming to the wrong conclusions, maybe the right information just isn't out there. And I guess the thing is, is that would there be an expectation that Bethesda needs to explain why they failed? It's like, well, I mean, that's probably never going to happen. Yeah, they'd have to admit that they failed. Yeah, which, of course, you would never want to do or at least well beyond the economic utility of convincing people that the game is good. So don't give it 10 years. Maybe they'll talk about what went wrong. Well, and we do get those stories coming out about different productions. Some of the more famous ones, right? Like Apocalypse Now or what's it called? That fucking the thing with Marlon Brando on that island with animal people, the island of Dr. Marrow. Yeah, like there's these films that have insane production things that make you go like, oh, no wonder it failed. Or wow, they really, you know, went above and beyond and got us a film. It's amazing, that sort of stuff. But I don't think it changes whether or not like the final outcome. In fact, that's kind of evident of the nature of the narrative behind the thing. People will see the suffering of people in a good artwork is like, well, they did it for a good job. But in the suffering behind something, you're like, oh, that's horrible. That's torture. So yeah, when you start to hear about, you know, crunch on a video game and it's like Anthem, you go like, oh, well, damn, that sucks. Yeah, that sucks. Compared to compared to again, Halo 2, where that was intense crunch. It was like, yeah, but they're made a great game, though. I mean, it's which is like, is that the way that people should feel about these things? I mean, if we're being consistent on the idea of whether, you know, crunch is good or bad, then that shouldn't have is. Remember, which is very, very glorious. It's just like, oh, well, you know, we're spider-verse with all the stuff about the animators and whatever. It's like, hey, well, it's a good movie, though. And then people would say, well, you got a stuffer for the odd and stuff like that. I think it went viral. There was a tweet about because like it was a thing of Invincible's second half will be releasing next year and people are like, this is all thanks to you fuckers with the whole like, oh, don't do crunch. Oh, no, I wouldn't want to do crunch. Like, wow, OK, when people want the thing, you'd be most pathetic fucking hell. So yeah, it's all it's all wacky and stuff. But point being, of course, nobody's surprised that people put hard work into things, even shit things. So, yes, love games, buy them, play them and complain to your heart's content. It's sort of the nature of a developer-player-transactional relationship. But just know that the game you're playing is in some ways a freaking miracle in and of itself. People have come together for four years, but there are other games that are more than a miracle that are better than yours. Yeah, so it seems like not all miracles are created equal. Again, I'm not even sure what the point of that being brought up is like, OK, sure, yeah, video game development is hard, even if the game turns out bad. But then people will compare it to the games that went through that same process and ended up being good. Of course, they will. One goal to bring you fun and happiness. So it helps to remember that and then. You got to say the nerd emoji. OK, yeah, you got to you got to it's it's it's it's all roll over the hot and go. I feel like it doesn't the nerd emoji and validate this entire thing because the whole point is like, actually, just so you know, maybe you're playing in some ways is a freaking miracle in and of itself. Maybe he's just going for like, I'm a nerd and I love all of this. Yeah. No, last time he was the last time he used the nerd emoji, he was playful. Are you putting words in his mouth? Are you are you lying right now? Is that what you're doing? Oh, I'm sorry. It's a bad habit. Are you culting the bad habit? I'm still learning. I'm still recovering, rehabilitating. Hots emoji. So which part is incorrect? The fucking first part was hyper incorrect. The rest of it just doesn't address the issue. It almost feels like he's trying to use this video as pretty chill to defend himself from something that's pretty not chill. The thing is, is that the rest of it doesn't address any specific criticisms of the game, like, basically, the point is, I didn't used to know that games were hard to make. Did you know games are hard to make? They're hard to make or chill out again. Sure. But but I mean, it doesn't address any criticism that was levied at the game. Also, he's wandered off. If you wanted to stay on topic, it would be I'm tired of people who have no experience, no understanding and no real insight declaring things to be true when they don't actually know all their evidence they've been provided is outright false. I don't like that shit. And like this video, it's a faulty assumption up front that everything else is built upon. And so the whole thing sucks as a result. But instead, he's like wandered off into, you know, people work hard on this stuff, so try to be nicer. OK, man, I just OK. Now, obviously, in its entirety, it's not a good look. For one thing, it's too long. For another, it's too positive. You know, too long isn't even like. It's too long and it's too positive. Damn, like my issues are just the arguments. Like, you know, it's not it's not a good look. I grant that it's that long for a developer in response to getting pressure. I understand that. But if this were all very reasonable, like, hey, guys, I just want to address a lot of people of give me some some responses to realities about the development of this game. I'd like to explain a couple things. And if he actually just did, he made clear exactly what kind of design docs were used, whether central or not. And then he said, I understand a lot of people disappointed with Starfield, and I wish I could answer your questions more thoroughly. But, you know, we're working around the clock to give you an experience that we really want you to have. So I just want you to know we're working hard and I understand you're upset or not. Some people are very happy. There we are. And then nerd emoji and hot emoji. Beautiful. But remember, you know, trust, retention, revenue. Nailed it. We're going to we're going to get your trust back, which feels like a bit of a failure to read the room. But at the time was largely negative. And lastly, it's not specific enough, which allows room for missing. He didn't target Patricia and TV directly. I was actually wondering if that was what he was thinking. He doesn't highlight the important parts well enough. He didn't mention in his post that Patricia and TV called me a cuck. Emil, I defended you. So you defend me. Emil, cucks stay together. Yeah, cucks unite. But the crux of the argument is that it's OK for anyone to criticize or hate a game. Yet that doesn't mean you understand why the game is the way it is or what happened during its development. Apparently you don't know either because you hate Starfield. And this again, it's just like you unless you've made a game yourself, shit, I hate that shit. And the consequences of what happens when people just there's plenty of people who've made games who know fuck all about game design. You can make the simplest fucking games. Assume things and pretend knowledge they don't have has hopefully been shown already. And given how regularly Emil had been criticized based on untrue statements and inaccurate representations for seven years, it's quite easy to see where he's coming from. No, hang on. Hang on. You posted the chart that it was recent that he got hit with this. This was necessary to say after Emil hate saw a major resurgence. Resurgence and most people don't know most of this story. So let's see how people reacted. Like the most viewed reaction titled Starfield Dev Blames the players. So there is an individual that works at Bethesda. Well, what the hell do I really care? Not a lot. You think I give a fuck about your problems as a game developer? You brought out a game that didn't even have a fucking map for a city. This is what I'm talking about. If Asmogold were fully aware of all the strife and sweat and blood that went into it, he wouldn't be able to riff like this. You kind of need people to be able to do this to be free to do this. So yeah, I'm not saying that like it's like a bias in an almost bad direction for the health of an industry because fuck me, we got to push back on like so many games coming out that are either unfinished or just pathetic. Not to say that we didn't have plenty of fun bangers in the year of 2023. We're also just a little worried about the non-bangers. Jesus. So pathetic. I swear to God, some game developers, there's like this fucking strain of game developers that are like in this constant battle to be like recognized for having a hard job. It's like streamers that are like fixated around people feeling sorry for them for being streamers. Shut the fuck up. If you don't like it, get another job. Nobody gives a fuck about your problems. Nobody cares about how you feel. It doesn't matter. And it never did. And it never will. Well, maybe one day people will can. I mean, I don't think I'd go as far as Aswin Gold did because like, I mean. He's certainly an in-product kind of guy, especially with the recent thing that he got in trouble for. But that's just his perspective. Well, yeah, true. And also, I would just like the caveat I'd be adding is like, it's not that it doesn't, their problems don't matter, especially if you leave it to a general's table. It's like they certainly matter in some ways. It's just that this is all in response to people being frustrated with the quality of Starfield. It's just like, there's not, your tweets don't really address it at all. Thank God the British man stopped talking. He's coming back any second now. Kind of nice. It's like, yeah, just it's. My headache. He's already back. I can dream. There he is. I'm not sure if Aswin Gold. No, you don't give a fuck because you never talked about any of this before. Yeah. Oh, and that's actually, there's the point. I wonder if Never Knows Best would agree with the opposite take quote. Oh, I think this game is good. Do you know how little effort they put in? I bet that would be considered a bad take by him. Like, yeah, I don't think that would, if you loved a game and then you said they didn't put any effort in, I don't think that makes you go like, oh, well, now I don't like it. It's just like, it doesn't really go that way either. Does it? Like neither. I think we've talked about it before, but the certain elements of how a thing is created will have effects on how people feel about a thing, but effort? Yeah. Like if I'm playing someone I love and then someone says they didn't take much effort to make that, I don't know if that would sway me at all. I'd be like, okay. It's interesting at best, really. Yeah. But if it was run on animal blood, I'd be like, oh, oh, that's, that's bad. I don't like this. Or it was having a bad day that day, or if he feels this is a normal response. But while most reporting of Emil's tweets were far less vitriolic than this, Asmongold was still the one who truly reflected the views of the Starfield player base. No, I think Asmongold was a bit extreme in what he had to say, compared to the average Starfield team. I would be saying that it reflects it because it got the most views. Probably, yeah. It just doesn't got the most views. It doesn't mean everybody agrees with it. Well, this seems like some people would share. That's just an Asmongold problem, you know? Yeah, you can be a bit, you know, geeky, you know, blunty. And so the Emil hate marched ever onwards and to ever greater heights. All the way up to heights. Wait, I thought this was Patricia's fault. No, I meant Asmong's fault. Who's fault? It's both he is. It's both he is. He got it from me. No, he got it from Emil. He got it from me. He got it from Korea. He got it from Gundam. He got it from the Redditor. He got it from Emil himself. I would also like it to be known to the jury that despite there being no mention of design documents in Asmongold's video, there certainly is in the comments. Funny how that criticism always seems to show up. Now, anytime Emil's name is mentioned online. Right, because there was something to it. Yeah. After this tweet, Fred, Emil replied to many people on Twitter, always politely. And one reply in particular came to be used a lot by his detractors to further attack him. It reads, Oh, the Reddit thread? Lol, yeah. Every so often, someone likes to dig up a talk I did years ago and misrepresent what I said. Apparently, I also don't care about full out law. True. Can't write to save my life. True. And have the IQ of a peanut. Okay, so the thing is, I don't know. Ryan Johnson claims to like love Star Wars. And we're all just sitting here like, Hmm. Are you sure? Then just like can't write to save my life. Hmm. Hmm. I mean, if it was a life or death scenario, in your captor said, I need you to write me a good Elder Scrolls quest. Like, Just one. I don't know if you, I don't know if you'd make it. Hmm. I've managed to keep my tism on this contained for the entire stream, but he is absolutely fucked over the fall. The fall out, Laura. Yeah. Hmm. Well, that's kind of what I was getting at. It's like, you know, you claim I don't care about it. It's like, but we're going, I don't care what you tell me. I care what I see you do. And if, if what I see you do is piss and rape it, then yeah, I mean, no, I don't believe that you care as much about it than I feel you should. It's on the internet. So it must be true. Still, for the most part, Emma's Twitter is a place of positivity. Hmm. He tweets regularly, usually at least once a day. And so on December the 14th, one day after being roasted mercilessly by the entire internet, he tweeted this. The one thing I never wanted was for my Twitter feed to become mired in negativity. What was intended to be support and respect for game devs and the development process has morphed into something else entirely. Lesson learned. It's the holidays. Spread some cheer. This is a bad response. You gave a bad response. You already established that he thought that his response was bad. He said it's too long. Looks like it is a bad optics. He said it was too positive. Seems to be a positive person. Yeah. And he didn't mention that whole cuckolding thing. Most tweets are about the games he's been playing, all the movies he's been watching. Right. So again, man, it's fascinating. It's like, look at how nice he is. Not like that fuck protrusion. Yeah. It's just... Compliments other game developers' work on all sorts of different games. That's wonderful. He talks about his wife. He talks about his family. He posts recipes of 18th century cookies. What are you doing? What is this? What the fuck? Are you actually a mill? Are you... Are you like a... I don't give a fuck what he does on Twitter. I don't care if he's helping old ladies cross the street. Yeah, that's the thing. Doesn't that change your mind on Starfield, though? No. It's completely irrelevant to Starfield. I never thought Emma was a bad guy. I just don't like Starfield. That he banked. Yeah, I'm sure. And so on. I'm sure ML is a very nice guy. I don't have anything against him personally. It doesn't change the fact that Fallout 3 and 4 are shit. Starfield is shit. I'm sorry. It's just the way it is. Yeah. Well, I've advocated for two solutions to this problem. One is to demote him. The other is to just split the studio in half, give him Fallout, and let him lead that, and fuck off to his own fiefdom. Wow. And Fallout can say it when I say that, but... He's sacrificing Fallout to get rid of him. Yeah, I mean, you know, we're amputating the infected limb there. I see how it is. Yeah. He also comes off as kind of goofy. Yeah, he is. He's too openly into nerd culture in a way that seems uncool. It's true. He's too openly into nerd culture in a way that seems uncool. I just don't understand that coming from this guy. You know what I mean? After the cock bag. Fuck what people on Twitter are saying. And too positive in a way that feels out of place when a website usually so infused with cynicism and irony. I would say he seems like a well-meaning and slightly out-of-touch boomer. And I'm good for him. He's still made Starfield. I'm waiting for what the fucking point of all this is. Don't mean that negatively. He's not always positive though. A few weeks before he was attacked for being an entitled game developer, he tweeted about how much he's been struggling with grief after his sister unexpectedly died of cancer. Did you seriously just start playing the fucking sad violin? This is so inappropriate. Is this your diet of cancer, then sad violin? See, why are you being mean to this game developer? Why are you using this guy's grief as a weapon in this situation? Yeah, that's what's really... I'm sorry, you can fuck the right off with this. Yeah, I don't know about this one. I'm just gonna say that hits a little too close to home on that one. That's pretty... Hearing the fucking music, I got immediately grossed out by this. This is a normal person. Now, I don't know... I already thought he was a fucking normal person. I don't even... You didn't need to give me the cookies and a dead relative for that. So wacky and stupid. Emil Paglia Rulo. And so I can only judge him based on the things he has said and wrote online. The thing is, that's also true for everyone else. Maybe he's not a good person. Except that fucker patrician. But just as I do not truly know this, that's the same for everyone else. We can only judge the evidence. I'm sorry, I don't think anyone here is saying he's a bad person. I don't know what this has to do with anything. Yeah, he probably should work on the criticism stuff and things like that. But he doesn't seem like a bad person. He just seems like he's really bad at writing stories and video games. And where's this fucking charity towards us? Well, you're liars though. Ah, palable. And within that evidence, there is nothing here, or anywhere else I have seen, to suggest that this man is in any way deserving of hate. Oh my god. It's not about him being a mean man, it's about him being incompetent. You don't have to be a bad person to be incompetent. I'm sorry, we can't get rid of that problematic police officer, he's just too nice of a guy. I don't even know what to do with all this. He feels like he's made a very grand point here, as though if only he were kind of like, if he kicked some kid at some point, then he'd be deserving of all that Twitter stuff. I'm not sure where this connected. Yeah, it's such a weird misreading of what seems, it's about like his work on a video game. That's it. But then it's like he's misunderstood it, as if like everybody hates him on a personal fundamental level. So, this is so weird. And I have looked for evidence. Yeah, like that as well, like oh, looking for evidence of him being a bad person? I'm so stupid, what is this? Did to see some examples of elitism, or antagonism, or petty arguments, or things that seemed egotistical from Emil. And often when people develop a negative reputation online, they do play at least some part in creating it. Are we done? I'm kind of like... Where did you go from here? Why are we throwing, what is the... So I get the motivation of the, you know, the patrician stuff. You know, he called me a cock two years ago. The Kratos stuff, I don't know. But it probably ties in with this bit here, this Emil defense. Like he's actually his friend or something. Where is this coming from? What's going on? Where does this fit in the team trap? I don't know, man. I don't know, to be honest. I don't have a clue. I just realized that we are 8 minutes off the 12 hours. Oh, well then we gotta wrap up. I mean, yeah, we got... I would rather call it that. We can just call it here. We're starting to bring up, you know, dead sisters and piano music and it's like getting like, okay, this is getting a bit out of whack. Well, most of it is just repeated information anyway. And then him saying he's a nice man, so stopping mean about him and his game, which is just not a thing. A lot of repetition. So, good video. Or the best video. Yeah, 7 out of 10. Anyway, someone said you guys haven't gone to the defamation pot. Oh yeah, he does say I defamed him like at the very end. Like he... Like calling him a cock? He's not acting. No, he defamed Imel. It's at 2, 12, 51. Okay, if we... For quick, yeah. Just skip there. Oh, and by the way, PatriciaTV, you like research, so some advice. It might be worth researching something called defamation. Shut the fuck up. Because the case against you seems rather strong and almost everything that's usually so hard to prove you have provided evidence of already. The sad thing about this situation. Why aren't you looking to dignity? It might be a dictionary definition. What does that say? I love the thought of an Aswin Gold clip being admitted as core evidence that I defamed Imel Paglia Rulo. Question is that I don't think something like that would ever actually happen because as far as I can tell, Imel Paglia Rulo is just not that kind of guy. Yeah, I'm not fucking more than one actually. And also he has no fucking clue about any of this. Like he said as much the day after this video came out. Defamation. Alright, we're done. Let us now with the remaining minutes we have talk to chat about the wonderful guest we had today who stayed for a record breaking, 12 hours, I say record breaking, not necessarily, but probably for you guys actually, individually. Certainly for Kratos' biggest first fucking episode. I've done my own 12 hour stream. Well, we appreciate you doing it on our show. And for what is a grueling video, that was a... That was a campaign. Yeah. Well, hard. Different changed people after all of that. I think this one will be remembered for some time, especially a particular part of it. Would be surprised for fucking highlighter that goes up on the... Yeah, it has to. But yeah, well, we'll start with good old Kratos' why don't you tell chat all about you, what you get up to and where they can find you. Yeah, I do long videos on video games. I try to do the analysis thing. I've mostly covered Bethesda stuff so far, but I don't want to get stuck doing only Bethesda stuff. I've also done a video on the New Saints Row game, which obviously was a 10 out of 10. And I'm working on my Starfield review and analysis action, who knows how long the analysis will take. And I do gaming streams, as mentioned earlier, but I'm a Vtuber. So, yeah. Evil, evil. Pretty bad, yeah. Yeah, pretty bad. You also have the Stag show, correct? Yeah, the streams I do with my friends, I don't know how I forgot about that. He did more promoting of that than you did. Yeah, well, we do a similar thing as EFAP there, where we cover videos. We're not doing them regularly anymore. We're going to try and be more selective and pick videos that are actually worth covering instead of doing it just for the sake of doing it. So, yeah. Well, I mean, that was a good selection of your interaction call. I feel like they will know to subscribe if they want to get more of what they've experienced today and links are in the description. Thank you for having me on. It's much appreciated. Thanks for coming. All right, Patricia and TV, we don't really know much about you at all. Right after this, I make defamatory claims where I lie about gaming time. No, I do the long form thing, and in between long form videos, I do short form videos, mostly talking about games. I'm not originally in the Bethesda space, but my next long form thing is going to be on Classic World of Warcraft. Ooh! I'm quite excited to do it. I have even more sources on this project than I had on any of my Bethesda videos, so I'm quite looking forward to it. I'm resisting just making jokes constantly about everything that we've been hearing in this stupid video. So, instead, I'm just going to say, that sounds exciting, wonderful, collecting all such information and putting it together in a coherent way, in a quick way. I gotta get out of here. I gotta go fuck his wife. At least you're honest about it. Well, like I said, thank you so much. We got links to your channels and the videos you've made specifically responding to these. They're good to check out. If you want an extra context. This was an appreciated response. Yeah? We want so many people to be able to get through this thing. Though, tell your friends, there's a golden nugget in there if they wait long enough. That's right. There's a nugget, alright. Yes, before we go. Fringy rags, anything you guys want to say? No, nothing I'm ready to announce quite yet. Yeah, I'm just working. Though, probably not right now. I think I might sleep. Yeah, well, what I was going to say is, what is it, 12 hours till our next DFF stream? It's been booked, unfortunately. Oh, yeah. So, I'll give you an update on the next one in terms of just stuff that's going on. It'll be the same now as it is then. So, no worries, but I'd rather hurry to get into sleep so that we can wake up. No need to tell you what it's about. But, it's about something that's happened recently. So, you guys are going to love it. It's actually gaming focused, if anything. It's going to be a nice toky one and hopefully we'll keep it to under 12 hours. I would say that'd be nice. That'd be cool. Yeah, I'm feeling it. Until then, thank you all for watching so very much. We shall see you on the next thing, whatever it may be. But for now, goodbye. See you later, everybody. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Oh, my goodness.