 Okay, so in terms of the agenda, I guess Chris will, I'll take one second to just talk about the, so the spot meetings, I guess everyone here already knows what they're about, but I'll just quickly fill in Leif and Scout. Leif, do you want to introduce yourself or do you, I guess, you and Scout know each other already? No, I mean I know who Scout is, but I'm Leif Fedrikson, I'm a historian, worked with edgy for about a year and a half. Yeah, so the spot meetings are just, it's something that we've discussed in Radical Org and we thought that would be a good way to create us an edgy space where everyone in the edgy community is welcome to attend and which is not oriented to action items or is not tied to a specific working group, but it's a space for us to discuss common ideas or wider developments like the Green New Deal or maybe something of working groups working on that they'd like feedback on or work that somebody in edgy is doing, like Sarah's Lanterns project or anything else that someone's doing that we would all find interesting. So just a kind of learning space and a place to bring in new members and members from across the community is a way of bringing us together outside and beyond the tasks that we usually bring to do all edgy meetings. So, and we're planning to have them every two months, every alternate month on a Thursday at the same time as our all edgy meetings always are, so just in an off week from those meetings and we're looking for ideas for the next one as well, so everyone's welcome to ship in with ideas. So I think we can get started and Chris is gonna speak for about 10 minutes and then Kelsey's also gonna share the sunrise movements sort of take on the Green New Deal and then we can go ahead and discuss it. Chris, it's yours. You're muted, Chris. Yeah, yeah. I'm just concentrating on what I'm gonna say, so all right. So I think you guys I'm not sure how much of a chance you've had to read some of these links. I think they offer a pretty good overview of how this has come about this Green New Deal and the sort of the longer routes across the longer routes go back to the original New Deal, which is this huge shift in the 1930s during the Great Depression in terms of how government was active in the economy and you know more about that a little later. I think the more immediate roots of it of the Green New Deal, let me just share my screen if I could. Let's see that's that's this is what it is. The immediate routes. This article is a pretty good one going into all that the immediate routes are with the sunrise movement and I think I guess Kelsey is going to talk about that this sunrise movement going into Nancy Pelosi's office and sitting in and then Hazio Cortez joining them and that's kind of what sparked as far as I can tell the explosion of interest in the media and Green New Deal. This is an interest over time is a pretty good chart showing how you know things really picked up right around the time sunrise movement intervened and Hazio Cortez jumped on it. So but there are longer routes. There's as Dave Roberts article sort of suggests a lot of this. There are lots of journalists who've been covering this. It really goes back to the early 2000s. Some of the suggestions that there could be a comparable program in clean energy that to that of the New Deal was this is the paragraphs set of paragraphs that go into a lot of the background. It's also a sort of international idea. The UN part of let's see there's some place where the UN took up the idea. The calling for a global New Deal and Green New Deal in 2009. I don't know the British also seem to be on this in European Greens to comparable things. So that's the kind of longer routes and I think we're at a moment though where because the Democrats took the house in November of 2018 we fell into a moment where there was a whole receptiveness to what are the Democrats going to do now about climate change now that the Republicans have totally abandoned the issue and the Green New Deal kind of became the avenue by which Democrats could actually make this their central issue sort of weaving together a lot of other things they were concerned about as well. So I think looking at the at the you guys see the the the text of the Green New Deal is that coming up on your screen now you're great. Okay, so this is the resolution. It's actually it's not a program itself so much as a call for a program introduced February 7 2009 in the House of Representatives. I think it also builds on that October report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the assessment in US assessment about just how dire the situation is with climate change and so you can see the first of it the first of the Green New Deal is dealing with the findings from that report and sort of just putting them out there the highlights but the second part of it is also it's a night I think this is a great synthesis actually where we are in terms of a moment in US history for that matter. The four decade trend, the wage stagnation, the declining socioeconomic mobility, the concentration of wealth, the greatest income inequality since the 1920s. These are all other literatures that have been coming along I think over the last you know 15 years more or less independent the literatures have been of the climate change literature but the Green New Deal is at least in this statement is synthesizing these into a more sort of holistic sense of what what the crisis moment is now. So what they call for, this is page five, is a new national social, industrial and economic mobilization on scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal era historic opportunity. So that's the big piece of it and then you get this is all the with these resolutions go there's this whole free animal thing that describes why we need to do something and then there's a resolve that is the duty of the federal government to create a Green New Deal and then the rest of it is sort of what what the pieces of this New Deal would look like. Fair and just transition, zero, greenhouse gas emissions, lots of jobs, infrastructure and so on you know what's striking for me as somebody who's been involved in edgy for such a long time or else you know two years is that is how little of our agenda is actually in this statement and I found you know stemming through this most of this is about building new stuff and it's not so much about and it's about building new things it's not so much about government there's very there's nothing about data really it's pretty pretty thin on what we've been oriented toward I think this is that this is the sole thing that I could find in the whole statement that really concerns things that edgy has been doing and it's more about governance than about data ensuring that the federal government takes into account the complete environmental and social costs and impacts of emissions through existing laws new policies and then it goes on you know ensuring the frontline community shall not be adversely affected so environmental data justice justice really so it's pretty thin on what we do and I think that's a sort of for me that's a that's indicative of some of its weaknesses I think you know I can go into these there's a whole I had somebody put up the links to Richard Walker and his living new deal and which is sort of belatedly trying to glom on to the new Green New Deal by making statements and he's done a nice op-ed in the Washington Post you know I think all of these are wrapped up now I'm gonna take I'm gonna take up too much time so I'm just gonna suggest this that all these are wrapped up with I think a sense my sense that this is basically for a particular political constituency and without much it's trying I mean it's very positive vision but without much sort of consideration of what happens to the rest of the country so it's in a way it's a kind of a vision coming out of a sort of Bronx Queens constituency increasingly white progressive you gentrifying neighborhoods and so on but still having a good deal of minorities there and the big missing piece I think one of the big men missing pieces is what does this mean for places like the South like West Virginia the South is actually very interesting in terms of the comparison with the old new deal the original new deal because it was this whole compromise over race that enabled Roosevelt to get those all that slow that slew of regent legislation through Congress he compromised on the racial a lot of the racial issues with the southern white Democrats at that time who were sort of wanting to uphold Jim Crow and so on and so that's been one of the big knocks that historians have on that original new deal and but I think there's this new this version of it the vision of it also sort of has is problematic in terms of the south what's the south has become because the south has become the seed of the anti-environmentalism in our country especially the white Republicans has also become Republican bastion and I think that that this new green new deal probably needs to to have a little bit more concrete vision about how it's going to take on the power structures that we're actually confronting an edgy that are there and what it's what it has to offer those constituencies that those power structures represent so that's I mean what about rest Virginia what does it mean for this for West Virginia so something like that and there needs to be I think some more of that if this is going to be a realistic thing I mean Roosevelt had huge margins in the house and Senate and that sort of political mobile is mobilizing has to happen has to be broader if anything like this is going to happen it's going to be achieved in our country now anyway that's my two cents on it and I'll turn it over to Kelsey you know thanks Chris you can hear me I'll try and speak up I need to de-sheer I think it's the bottom of the middle of the screen bottom middle of Paul's cheer is it are we not no longer sharing still sharing still sharing resume Paul's share new share it's not stopping it stop here there we go okay yeah thanks Chris that was really cool and I really appreciated you going through the text of the deal what I have is a lot more about okay well so I'll start with the Sunrise Movement it have you has anyone here heard of the Sunrise Movement can I see hands okay cool so Sunrise Movement is basically about young people supporting ends to climate change and young people is defined as up to 35 ish but it doesn't mean that other people can't it just means that that's who's in leadership for it and I'll explain a little bit about the vision and the theory of change but basically I've been involved with the Sunrise Movement sort of sort of like fell into it by accident but I've been involved with them for the last couple of months and I was initially excited about it because there was a lot of energy in the room and then I was secondarily much more excited about it because they had a really cohesive theory of change they they seem to have a really like really solid set of theories that they were working with in terms of how we can make real change so what I'm gonna talk to you about today is from one they have like multi-part webinars to try and do Sunrise 101 what's the movement and how are we doing it this is from their part two video notes but basically talking about what they're trying to take on and how so Sunrise Movement is bigger than just the Green New Deal but they see the Green New Deal as a big vehicle for what what we're trying to do they're trying to take on two challenges within Sunrise one is to end climate change and the other one is to end the kind of common sense that comes out of Reaganism specifically neoliberalism and strategic racism and basically they're looking around and they're saying well climate change is a huge issue for millions of people a lot of people are scared right now and that is both a responsibility we can take on and also a political opportunity if we can tell a clear story that drives solutions to the climate crisis while addressing economic and political inequality or economic it yeah then we can begin to change the language of what common sense is in in the political realm the the quote that they used when they they tied this the Green New Deal I loved this was quote the biggest sign of this emerging people's alignment is the Green New Deal and I really like that the way that they're looking at this so as Chris noted there the the Green New Deal is not a piece of legislation it is a 14 page resolution it is vague it came out in February what's really cool about that is that it means that this is our moment to say well this is a specific thing and we need it to be these several specific things in order for it to become legislation we want to support so while it is not currently concrete that's that's our time to say hey it needs to include this specific type of justice it needs to include racial justice it needs to include all this sort of stuff and some of the stuff that the Sunrise Movement specifically calls out as what it quote potentially can address is supporting investment in communities of color especially those hit hardest by climate change a jobs guarantee to address economic injustice a revamp of the agricultural system that engages rural farmers inclusion of disability protections and Medicare for all so basically that's that's the push that's the like what we hope the Green New Deal can be but there is obviously mobilization that needs to happen in order to make it something that's as sweeping and as effective as we hope it will be and their theory of how to make that happen is a combination of people power and political power along with an alignment of various political and social movements so essentially they want to build an army of young people and we'll get into a little bit of that of why why young people specifically and then they also want to make sure they have an electorate that is specifically sway able by those young people and is sympathetic to this cause and the way they're planning to build people power is through basically talking to people and ideally talking to media as well but mostly one-on-one just getting people engaged getting people active especially people who have not been politically active before especially among young people that's really easy to find people who haven't been politically active before but care about stuff and then politically essentially it's shifting the overton window type of stuff making sure that there is pressure on currently elected officials making sure that there are challengers to incumbents even if we don't think they'll get elected and ensuring that folks that are endorsed do things like support the no fossil fuel money pledges they had a really cool set of stats trying to gauge like where we're at and why this sort of political direction can or the sort of like approach can work I'll kind of read these off so this is all from the Yale Center for climate change communications 70% of Americans believe in climate change and want the government to do something about it 91% of millennials support 100% clean energy by 2050 which is a huge part of why young people are the big focus here over 80% of registered voters support the principle of moving towards 100% clean energy by 2030 and creating millions of jobs in the process one in eight registered voters say they would be willing to engage in civil disobedience against the government or against businesses that are making global warming worse and there is essentially overwhelming passive support so basically the way that they've mapped it they have like a spectrum they're using as a tool to show political like where we are politically with this but basically it seems like though there are not a lot of really active groups like mobilizing for climate change mobilizing for the Green New Deal right now there is a there is a great majority of people who if theory support it so instead of focusing on changing minds they feel that all they need to do is activate the existing and growing support base of young people and one of the things that I really enjoy when they're on these calls they they do a really good job of engaging with people and like I want to learn from them on how they do this facilitation because it's like it's really neat but one of the things that they consistently do is they say so anybody who's here have you like what's something that you've experienced in the last year as a direct impact of climate change and it's one of those language-changing things that they're trying to do of saying well like statistically most people believe in climate change but don't believe that it's necessarily now or personal or you know people still talk about it like it's future generations and so on these calls they're very careful to say hey you know I'm from Florida and we just got hit by three hurricanes so that climate change in my life how about you oh well I'm Kelsey I'm from the Pacific Northwest and I last year it rained ash from the sky that's not normal and right now it's like 80 degrees out and like I'm delighted but it's not supposed to do that till August anyway so that's sort of a couple of ways that they're working on the challenges of not thinking that crack the climate crisis is present and currently causing harm and the the way that they're working on like getting elected officials like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the obvious example is a way for people to re-engage with the system to re-engage with political action because trust is really really low in the government right now and it's really really low particularly in mainstream political parties and through much more active and specifically vocal younger politicians who've just been elected were able to see people starting to have hope again so I thought folks here would really enjoy the the approach of like the very specific intent to to change the language to change common sense and the re-new deal as a way to begin to have the right conversations that's my piece great thanks a lot Chris and Kelsey that was there was so much in both of those pieces that I think we can start talking about so does anyone wanna does anyone have questions comments I I have a lot so I'm just gonna start with at least one of mine and then I guess Chris I was just wondering what can you can you say a bit more about this southern political constituency and what do you think is left out because when I read the legislation I just thought it was it tried to really address lots of different constituencies and all various issues and not the legislation but whatever the proposal so I just wanted to hear a bit more about that particular constituency that you felt was really left out and how you think they could address the power structures in something like that resolution do you think I'm sorry before you talk Chris do you think it's worth having a couple of questions and comments before we have people come back just so that anyone else want to jump in on any other thoughts questions I have a question for Kelsey I guess which is what what does the you have a sense of what the son what edgy might do that could be helpful to the sunrise movement the answer they would like you to get Ruby to give you is there is a Google form you can fill out to officially endorse the Green New Deal as an org more concretely I don't have a specific thing or I would have already brought it up but it does seem like as we move towards getting specifics it would be really cool to have edgy talking about like well which communities are we supporting and how are we drawing how are we drawing these lines how are we how are we measuring impact because that's gonna be like the rollout's gonna have a lot of details that need hammering down correctly she'll I go ahead and address yeah okay yeah I think I mean I don't want to sort of go off too much on this but you might think about for a say West Virginia West Virginia is a place where in terms of the south that's what or where I would start because that's the cold that's cold country or any other of the sort of cold like Pennsylvania or Kentucky yeah where I think they see this oh it's all about the government investing in clean energy so de-investing in where they are okay and there's a little bit of there is language that you might think might you know applied up those places there's transitioning from cold but it's highly unspecific it's very unspecified and it's going to be easy for leaders in those places to say hey this is just about the rest of the country you know this is not gonna this is actually de-investing and and the government none of this money is going to come to us so having more specifics for instance about these coal the coal country people places that are going to be you know if this is if we do transition so so abruptly from coal these are the places they're going to be most agreed so I think having a more fleshed out vision of what it means for for those places that now all the investment is going into other kinds of industries what what are they going to get I mean it's just that it doesn't sound like at this point that they might get anything and especially if it's all backed by these other parts of the country and politicians from so I think that the idea to make a full new deal you need all this sort of people in congress that are going to vote for it and I think if the new green new deal can reach out to those places with actual you know promises to those constituencies the people in power there are going to potentially more easily be undercut so I think that's so that's what I'm thinking I mean I just looked you've looked back with my survey course that just how much of a margin in the House and Senate the Democrats had by 1932 and it was huge I mean this is we're we're pretty far from that right now and and I think that that sort of groundswell has to happen and you know you know the other places is I think suburbs and most of the cities in the south are very have grown more recently like Atlanta and Houston and they're much more suburban and I think a lot of it it those are also the places where a lot of the white progressives are moving from and so they're actually more a minority in that where poverty is more concentrated and yet they're car dependent so so I think having some sort of clear message to and those are the swing constituencies by the way you know across the country for republicans versus democrats so having more sort of goody it you know that's clearly targeted for these constituencies not the power you know the politicians but the constituencies in these areas where you want to win a win them over not just say oh this is just about you know New York City and gentrifying neighborhoods and you know let's be very unspecific about where it's going to apply I mean that's the typical urban move by the way is so so I mean that's the kind of thing I'm talking about so so I guess like my question there or the reason I mean I had similar questions as as a partner is like when I read it originally it's got somewhere in there there's like a super clear statement about like absolutely guaranteeing jobs and wage parity etc for people would be affected by that transition so why doesn't that language or what sort of thing would be better to reach say your coal miners in West Virginia or or the sorts of constituencies you're talking about yeah I think we're we we're so inclined to read this as people to cheer for it I think you got to read this as as somebody who's very skeptical and you know that's not a very strong signal it's also a signal you know many of these parts of the country the unions are under under attack and they're really shrunk back you know these are the most de-unionized parts of the country so that's a message that I think resonates more with people who are members of unions than in places where unions are now they've lost a lot of cloud and membership and so on and so most of the people reading this are not going to be they're going to see jobs if you know they're going to say oh this is just you know unless there's a clear signal that you know places cold country I mean this is the Trump people have been so upfront about how they're the guys for cold I mean this has really been the takeover point in the EPA you know Trump comes there and he's brings all these co-executives again to mouse they're just doing all these things I mean they those signals are very clear why can't the democrats do signals to cold country like them uh but they have a lot to offer and I think this this is definitely not that you know that's I mean compared to the republicans I mean putting out that kind of of clear appeal to their constituencies undercutting these guys power in those places that's that's I think what needs to happen I have calcium then Sarah yeah I really appreciate Chris you looking at this with a really critical eye like I don't totally buy it either one of the things that I have concerns about is like in my head I'm like oh well we go to cold country and we say oh well it shouldn't have coal it should have solar uh so we'll just retrain all the people doing coal into doing solar and they'll have better jobs never want to be happier um uh but I recently went to a rally for Andrew Yang who is uh going to be in the democratic primary debates he's running on a universal based income platform and he was like well so I looked at the numbers about retraining how we do on that um we have a success rate of zero to 15 percent um so that's very concerning because even if we guarantee clean jobs like in theory um we have to actually be good at that Sarah so um I we had a really interesting case in the EDJ meeting from Olga Bautista who's in southeast Chicago which is you know a rust belt area where the steel industry is super declined and I've been working with an anthropologist who's uh from there and we worked together to organize these balloon mapping events to map petroleum coke which was being stored along the Cali-Mut River um it kind of replacing old coke piles and what's really interesting in that case is the way they were able to use citizen science to um galvanize former steel workers um and environmentalists and the Latinx community um and in part that was through the activities of doing the balloon mapping and also because of issues around automation meaning that the sort of industrial jobs that exist now have so few workers and the work is so precarious um so I think EDJ potentially has something to offer um by kind of combining with public lab and thinking about the role of citizen science and also really articulating the precarity of a lot of these industrial jobs that are being promised even in coal mining now where there's and the return of the steel industry in the US is going to be largely automated so they're not good uh they're not working class um jobs that had kind of a future um as we saw with the steel industry so I think there are cases of really interesting kind of blue green coalitions happening and I think that uh that is frequently happening in places where people are starting to recognize the precarity of labor so I wonder if edgy could work at that nexus and kind of um do some do something about this that kind of the false promise of jobs in these industries um and uh blue green coalitions through citizen science particularly around you know the legacy spaces where a lot of these industries have operated are also dealing with you know serious environmental contamination um and so I wonder if there's things we can do to amplify that message um particularly around superfund sites um and bring in people like Olga or you know help lift up people like Olga who own this really great coalition building which we already started in the edj work um so and then the other the other question I kind of raised in chat in the chat here is like I think we could spend a lot of time picking apart the problems with the Green New Deal and there's a lot of things about it that edgy is not going to be able to solve like we're not a we're not a grassroots political campaign um so my question is really like which what are the places where edgy could contribute usefully where there isn't anything being articulated particularly around data infrastructure and you know one of the kind of really key things that was happening at the EPA before uh Obama left office was the it was the effort to try and integrate citizen science throughout the work of the EPA and so what you know is there something we can do to help build data systems that would support that down the line and maybe that's not entirely about the Green New Deal but it's could also support it could also support that um yeah I'm also wondering about the coalitions of universities um I don't really know what that would mean but how could how could universities play an interesting role in this um process either through our teaching or through creating opportunities in our cities that are around pedagogy and teaching around um just transition or something Dave? Oh yeah um I was just gonna follow up on some of what Chris said um I think that part of the issue is that uh you know it's one thing that the Green New Deal like there's you can imagine how policies can help shift to a different um energy source base but I think you know as somebody else mentioned that the as Kelsey mentioned about Andrew Yang like the the history of massive job transition is not so obvious and the policies to do that are not as clear like um and so I think that for many people like here in Montana you know I mean there's um I remember this quote from a guy worked in the coal in coal who still works in the coal industry here who is like you know this I voted for Trump because he's the only person who's arguing to save these jobs and he's and he's like if it doesn't work I'm not gonna vote for Trump again but like they're gonna ride that that that industry into the ground unless there's like a real alternative presented to it so it's one thing to say that there it's a doomed industry and it's another thing to say that to provide some sort of like alternatives and I think I mean I agree with what what Sarah is saying about you know moving beyond a critique of this um and agree that there is lots of things that edgy can do I mean one thing but one thing I'm interested I guess is whether we can deal with edgy or somewhere else is like or kind of on the history of like job transitions huge job transitions and why they have failed where there perhaps have been some successes or something like that to get some sort of historical grip on like what what would be um needed in a place like this out Steph I just wanted to say in terms of Chris's comment about why can't the democrats get their messaging together to gear something towards coal country and I mean I think it's because basically the reason the republican they're doing so well at that is because they're lying they're saying they're going to bring back all these coal jobs and you know make America great again and it's absolute lies and the democrats don't want to lie but they don't have anything true that sounds as good as that um especially if you know retraining doesn't really work because in a lot of cases you know the clean energy industry doesn't work in the same places that the dirty ended energy industries do um and then just another comment that I had was I think part of the reason that the you know the data justice side of things is included in this is that it's clearly geared toward the general public it's this is not a document that was written for you know policy wonks who are the kinds of people who care about the stuff that we do um whereas you know people in the general public are not going to understand even what data justice is and so I think the fact that it wasn't included doesn't necessarily mean that the people who are promoting this don't care about it just that they're writing to a particular audience that isn't us. Do we um want to think a bit like take up some of these trends in terms of what edgy might want to do with this today or do we want to postpone that to the next meeting where we have more of a discussion about edgy um how do we want to take this forward because we have another 10 minutes where we can actually either just continue what I think is really interesting about this which is the whole kind of jobs versus you know the question of retraining and and how we can involve also I think Sarah's suggestion about the citizen science and how that's obviously really an important part of it so we could just continue discussing this so we could think more concretely about kind of edgy and networks or work with regard to this. Sarah? This is kind of um and maybe outside of edgy stuff but I do think like in terms of retraining there's so much more universities could be doing to open space for retraining and there's a lot of work that could be done combining the kind of end-to-student loans call that's happening and a retraining call that's happening and kind of reinvestment in different forms of research too. So I do wonder if there is some way that um that academics could be helping to support something um like the just transition or or retraining I don't know if edgy wants to get anywhere near that idea but what about some of the other ideas um around working with sunrise that I'm seeing in the chat. Is that something um that we want to talk about a little bit like is there a way of connecting and I see Kelsey you've said it's decentralized but then yeah maybe in specific parts of the country or on specific issues is there. One of the things about the way it's decentralized that's really cool actually is that I think that it would be fairly trivial for me if I decided to to go and talk to national leadership. Sarah? I would love to I really like the youth movement part of this and I would love to see uh you know getting to Steph's point about the data justice stuff still being so distant from the general public part of making that less distant I think could be really engaging youth um in environmental data justice in part because they're more tuned into the whole questions of social media and extraction of data around them um and have this whole culture um built through it um and so I would I would love us to support the environment that the EDJ youth summit and see if sunrise would have any interest in engaging with us on that um because I I think that's something that's sort of doable the youth crews are already excited about it and um it'd be so neat to combine that with indigenous data sovereignty stuff um as a way of testing the waters. Chris? I I think there might be a place for like an op-ed or something like that on on the question of data and information um in the Green New Deal um I think like if we if we came up with a statement about that you know 800 words or something like that that and we could sort of collectively work on it and and develop our if we have a position to develop that uh that that would be a nice way of sort of getting us all more on the same page and thinking it through uh as well as um giving us the platform going forward we bring this to the to the leaders of sunrise and say hey you know this here's what we might bring to the table so. Rob? I was also just just thinking between some of the things you mentioned that um if if we see one of the one of the primary issues is being a lack of messaging to important constituencies um how can we identify in the work we're already doing um places where the stuff we do like really touches on those spots and focus our reports or write more reports focus around that kind of stuff right like if there's a thing that EPA is failing to do like in cold country west virginia or montana or something like how can we write more about those specific issues that we're seeing um as opposed to just the more broad scope stuff that we're doing. Kelsey just mentioned on the chat about um summer programs and maybe helping to provide some materials for them that sounds like a really neat kind of project to do um you know my my research is an environmental historian I do kids in the environment so um you know I've been very fascinated by all of this stuff um with the climate movement um but that would be really a neat project to work on I think to sort of and help them understand their place in history as well you know their place and where they are within the movement because a lot of them are coming into this with a lot of energy and excitement about what they're they're doing but I don't think that they know a lot about you know background about you know their their history that they don't know about I guess. Kelsey just um because I don't know that much about the sunrise movement I'm just curious um who what kind of youths or just like what's how did this begin and who are the who are the kind of um who are the founders or you know originators of this like just a little aside on the sunrise movement. The founder story that I've heard from from the movement is that there are about 30 high school and young college students who kind of got together in a living room about two years ago and said hey we should do something um I think there's a little bit more nuance than that in the story like I think that there was um uh specific interest from justice democrats somewhere along the line um but it does appear to be led by like mostly like the people leading the calls and facilitating are mostly in like their parents living rooms or in what's obviously a dorm room um and it's kind of amazing because the grasp of political theory is very very strong um it's it's really cool to get on like I definitely recommend I'll send out a link to the thing I took notes from just so you can kind of get an idea for how they do this because it's it's like they don't seem like kids you know um so we have about five minutes do we want to have some closing um it sounds like there's quite a few ideas there's the op-ed idea that Chris um suggested and it seems like that could be a good way of developing an edgy position on this and then we can share that with other groups there's the youth camp youth workshop idea um that's already edj is already thinking about so that could be in collaboration with sunrise um and then there's what rob suggested about and lay said um interviewing's already thinking about getting into specific states and specific issues so that could also contribute and then staff's um you know she's going to share materials on transitions and I think that might be something that we can also think about in an ongoing way just that question that also ties back to um what sarah said about the work that they're doing um I forget the name of the person but that's already ongoing with the activists that we heard from on the in edj so I don't know is that are they all things that we could maybe discuss further in another in when we in the next meeting when we want to talk about specific edgy work related to green you do anything on sarah just answering Chris's question um we work with um in uh over at sarah with earthworks ogat the oil and gas accountability project and they have kind of a net we're a network of grassroots organizations um that work on mining and oil and gas so they could be a really great um set of folks to reach out to you know we've talked a lot about coal country but you know there's also the new oil and gas frontier where there's all this environmental damage and that's oklahoma it's fruits you know so I think also concentrate on those places or finding the avenues to enter and have some say I was also I mean I think it'd be great Kelsey if you talk to sunrise about you know about what we could do or some collaboration or something like that if other people on edgy are up for that I was also wondering if through them we could get in touch with a new consensus which is the policy think tank that sort of developed the the green new deal and they you know they it'd also be cool to talk to them about possible collaboration or something that you know working with them on some data issues related to the green new deal so I don't know if you if you would have any ability to get in touch with them through sunrise or something like that Kelsey yeah I think it's really interesting I can pursue it um I don't know what my success will be like and I think it'd be a lot easier if I had something concrete and said edgy wants to help with this specific kind of thing versus saying hey can we help maybe that's a good point for our next call on this then is especially if we've had a moment to think about the op-ed because we'll have to kind of clarify things for that like where where could edgy really help Chris maybe I can just put up a google doc we can sort of brainstorm some ideas for the op-ed and see if something if something else from that and maybe that could be the basis for some some small meetings to get whoever wants to get on board with that I mean you know they're they're only allow like maybe three maximum authors but um maybe uh you know I think it should be a collective document and just somebody to be the representative for edgy once we get to the authorship so that's great can we take the last two minutes to just have a little closing round of um we didn't have an we didn't have a check-in though Kelsey really wanted to uh but we can have a little closing circle just because this is our first spot meeting so if anyone has any thoughts any anything to share about how the meeting went what we should do next time or just even how to take this work forward um specifically with the Green New Deal or the spot meeting so I'll just we'll just go around if that's okay Steph uh this is really cool I'm glad we got to hear everybody's thoughts and it was really productive and I'm excited to do it again in two months Rob um yeah same like this was super interesting um and there's a whole lot of really interesting points and stuff and good things to think about Dave yeah um I thought this was great thanks for organizing it and I definitely look forward to the next one anyone with more specific things that we can use to take forward um scout and then I'll get to you Chris I'll just say generally I don't know how specific this is but I've been very impressed with edgy sort of openness to different ideas and input from different groups and people and sort of thinking about things from different perspectives so um you know that that I think is very useful and can help academics get a better handle on how they can help and that kind of stuff so Chris yeah maybe we've we're solving now to this problem of siloing the working groups because it seems like we've got some good ways forward this has been a classic problem in edgy so I applaud you guys for for initiating this and it seems like it's really working great Kevin um I guess you know um for me I guess the intention was more discussion and we got into action items pretty like quickly halfway and so maybe stay meta a little bit longer and just allow like you know just thought and discussion to continue a little bit longer yeah that's a good point um Sarah it is a good point I'm sorry I always bring up action items just can't help it but I just wanted to thank Chris and Kelsey for putting in the energy to give the initial presentations I'm sorry that I missed yours Chris so thanks you guys yeah thanks with you and Kelsey you got to have the last word I really liked how different this was from other meetings I loved the lack of real agenda I thought that was really cool thanks so much for making this happen at farna the time went really fast yeah great thanks everyone um we'll see you thanks everybody yeah so we've got a recording of this and maybe we can draw I can make a few points out of it just for any future reference awesome okay great take care everyone