 So like, yeah, Chris Stuckman, not someone we've actually covered before, we've only mentioned him in passing. He's a YouTuber, lots of critical analysis on movies. The kind that I am, well, I don't know about rags, but I'm bringing a very fucking aware of Chris Stuckman. I've seen a lot of videos from him. He might be like, why? And it's like, well, I'm always like, you know, keep a wide palette, always interested to see what everyone's saying, and he's one of the... Is he the most popular, singular reviewer now? Yes, actually. Interesting to keep track of him. And then there's his reviews, which, you know, well before I'd even started making my reviews, I remember watching his and being like, ah, you're not saying anything. The sort of meme about it would just be to you, you sound relatively monotonous and half interested, and you start describing techniques in a vague way to do with films, and you've got a Chris Stuckman review. Well, the issue is that fundamentally, one, they're not long enough. There's not enough time to really say anything. But even then, you know, when you compare it to like Jeremy Johns, he's got a certain attitude that makes it more interesting to watch, because he sounds like he's interested, and he's sort of like, you know, like he's more compelling to listen to. I'm not an advocate for the whole like bouncy, crazy, like, hey, everybody, welcome to my, but I want you to sound like you actually give a shit, obviously. Right. There's a happy balance. When you make a four minute review of the Haunting of Hill House, you know, that's really setting a great example. That was like, when I saw that, I was just like, oh, of course, of course, like, really? Yeah, 10 hours of content in four minutes. Yeah. It's like, think of a technique. Can you go camera work? And you're like, all right, what can you say about camera work? It's flowing. It's smooth. It's janky. It's jarring. It's poorly edited. It's clearly on a dolly, or it's there's so many over crane shots that are just meh. You just combine all of these things, throw them together, add different adjectives, and just when you're listening to some of his videos, you might at one point be like, shit, what film was he talking about? Like, I've completely forgotten because it's just like stuff. And you might be like, well, hey, you know, he's referring to actual things in the movie. And you'd be like, yeah, but they really have like the specific context. And a lot of the time you have to figure out what he's even talking about specifically, like what woods are referring to what things. And I just find that there's not much to gain from Chris Stockman reviews. There's a, there's really an interchangeability to each of them. I think what makes any one particular Chris Stockman review different to the other ones kind of compare it to like a red letter media where each of their reviews is really unique and really interesting and in depth. Yeah. And oftentimes it's not even because of the film they're covering. No, but there's like, you know, there's a value to each specific red letter media critique or review or discussion. Whereas with his it's just because he covers everything. And there's just no way that you can be, which I think is part of the problem. So yeah, it's like, you can't talk about every movie. No, I don't even think, I don't think anyone should. I don't think anybody should because you spread way too thin to quote our hero Bilbo Baggins. Well, I mean, part of the issue is if you're watching, you know, if you're like, so I watched this movie that I had zero interest in at all. It's like, we're probably not going to get that much out of you. Whereas if you just focus specifically on, I don't know, science fiction or action movies or, you know, just the ones that you were interested in, then you can get something out of that, I think. Whereas if it's just everything, like, you know, someone asked me, what's the movie that last Christmas, if somebody's like, what do you think of that? I'm like, I don't know, man, like if I want to watch that fucking movie, like ask me what I think of it. I don't know. If I watched it, I'd probably just say, yeah, I don't like it. You know, there's not much to get out of that. But that's what Chris Stockman does because he watches every movie. Yes, he said before, like the Blade Runner thing where it's like, I'll watch a movie. He knows it's a classic. He knows if he loves it. So you had to watch it till he liked it. It's like, oh, he's very much a critics critic. If you will, he's just like, I am going to be the perception of what a critic is. Like what? You can't pull anything from it, really, you know, like if you went up to somebody and said, what are your favorite movies? Usually you're going to get a sort of mix. You probably get some of the, you know, the obvious candidates, like 12 Angry Men or something like that. You get the obvious candidates and then you might get something, you know, really obscure that you haven't heard of before and you'll be like, oh, that's interesting. Whereas with him, I feel like it would just be Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, 12 Angry Men, you know, like all of the movies that you're supposed to have on your list of favorite movies of all time. And it's not because they're great movies. But the thing is, it's like, if he picked all on the list of, you know, the movies that are the best, like The Godfather or something like that. You just be like, oh, okay, you know, that's cool. You know, it's just boring. He has branched out into filmmaking or he has for a while now and he's made a short film recently that's made it. He's released it onto his YouTube channel, which is pretty neat. I like the idea of someone trying to, using what they've learned to make something like there's nothing, nothing inherently bad about that. That's pretty cool. Also, the fact that he released it onto YouTube, that's also cool. He's not even charging. He's like, hey, check it out. This is my work. We were curious to check out his short film. I guess now that that's out of the way, we can watch Notes From Melanie. Oh yeah, that's what it's called. Notes From Melanie. It's a comedy slash drama short film. Do you want to do like a little before we start? Do you want to do like a little guessing game? How many times are we going to laugh? Laugh with or laugh at? Laugh with. All right. Well, this is supposed to be a comedy, right? Okay, okay. I'm going to go ahead and guess he's going to get. I want to be generous. I want to say three laughs. He's going to get three laughs out of me. I feel like he would get a couple choppers. I don't think he's going to get a laugh out of me. Oh, okay. In that case, three chuckles, something that's audible. Let's put it this way. If he can get three chuckles out of me, he earns a star. So that's three, two and two. So how about laughs? I don't think he's going to get a laugh. I don't, yeah, I don't think so. I'm going to go zero as well. So we got zeros across the board. We'll see if he gets us a couple of chuckles. Yeah, fucking severe expectations. Please do it. How many times will we be moved slash shocked? Oh, I'm thinking zero, too. Yeah, I want to go with one. I'm expecting it to be some form of a twist that makes me go. Let's see if Chris Duckman can break up that concrete heart of yours. Yes. So anything else? You won't move mine. I feel nothing. Man, if Ragn's laughs always shocked, this is going to be a breakthrough. Consider my expectations subverted. I hate it. Doc Forest Pictures. I guess that's his. It's not that dark. I guess. It's pretty light. His production company, I guess. Yeah. Is this in their house? It looks like a house. Yeah, we're like poles, right? Yeah, I suppose, yeah. This person looks like a cartoon character. Why the puppets lament? It's about how we're locked into the mechanisms of our lives. In a way, we're all puppets of our own destiny, right? So our lead hero is lamenting the fact that he doesn't want the job. You see? Well, the film seems to have treated him like a bit of an idiot already. I wasn't even convinced of that yet. I actually thought that the pitch was a little pretentious, sure, but it was something crazy. I want to remember that somebody's pitch is not necessarily going to reflect how pretentious it's going to come across in the film. I think a lot of things come across as pretentious, which aren't, you know, when you actually make a movie. Also, the puppets lament. I don't know. That's not a bad name. It's not the worst name ever. Yeah, unmarketable. The problem, I guess, is that if your main theme is that humans are essentially puppets, maybe keep puppet out of the title because it's like, well, it's really obvious. I don't know if I, I think it would be tough to convince people. Hey, you want to go see the puppets lament? Yeah, yeah. It sounds more like a theater piece than a movie. It does, yeah, like a play show. Yeah. But she's clearly and she's being assisted by the editing in the soundtrack here that he's crazy. And to top it off, can you really look at me and tell me that you see a poster with the title, the puppets lament on it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's got one. He's got one. He cured my cancer. Better than Schindler's List. Okay. Just for rolling pins what something did for hammers. That's a Jaws reference. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. Why is there a rolling pin? Okay. I think we're probably more interested in this premise than we're not going to get in terms of information. But all right, yeah, that's a... Yeah, maybe, sure. I mean, you know what's funny about talking about minimalist sort of posters? A bloodied rolling pin could really work depending on like... I don't know, like maybe you could have a movie called The Baker and it's a horror movie. Or horror comedy. I could totally see a horror comedy thing going because you're like the idea there's a rolling pin with blood, yeah. This is called The Rolling. Yeah. See, this is the thing. If it was self aware, I'd be like, let's go see it. It could be funny. Assuming it's a good trailer as well. Are we going to make each other laugh more than the comedy? Hey, well, you know what? This is less a reaction, more a review, an ongoing review. And if someone was like, hey, you can't review something before you've seen it. We're the only people out there who do it in the moment review and we will make corrections if we're wrong, I guess. Before we roll along, I love the Jurassic Universe poster. Yeah, that's... I like the Jurassic Universe poster. I think there's a good chance that's going to be a thing. I would have said, though, this is definitely someone's room in their house. It seems like I would have gone to an office. I think I'm getting the impression, honestly, that that's supposed to be the point. Look, it says better than Schindler's List. This guy is going to be out of his mind, I think. Yeah, he's being portrayed as crazy and out of it. Your story is about a taxi-driving sociopath. Yeah, that's right. Taxi-driving. Is this short film just going to be references to other films? Rolling pin. Okay, I'm going to stop you there. Taxi driver got four Oscar nominations, Melanie. Why risk new when I can just build on what works? This is exactly why you're writing these shitty knock-offs you've been writing for the past six years. I mean, look at these posters! Jurassic Universe! I will say this is quite a tonal shift from her. Yeah, she's gunning for the heart now. She seems quite angry. All of a sudden, you're frustrated and angry. Maybe these two have a history, but... I feel like we kind of missed out on... Yeah, he would have frustrated her a little bit more before she reached anger. Yeah, she's already saying you're writing shitty movies. It's like going right for the Juggler, man. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about this yet. It depends on if we do something with this. But like, I liked Jurassic Universe being in the background. Now it's in the forefront. Yeah, I think it would be funny as like a Simpsons joke in the background that doesn't get overtly mentioned. You know, like how there's always little things in the Simpsons that are in the background that you can catch? Oh yeah. And it's like, oh, it's really cool. But yeah, when you draw attention to it, it's like, oh... Look at this thing. If they do something with this, then fair enough. But I thought that the joke would better without going... ...sort of thing. Here is the joke! Oh my. He's running past him. So, at least they've got the excuse that this guy is a bad filmmaker. So, you know, it makes sense that it looks like this, I guess. I feel like this isn't like far enough, though. I feel like they should have gone further. They could have done something with a prop. You know, like what I would have done with this. Instead of getting somebody to do a 3D render of a T-Rex, I would have like, I don't know, you have like two characters who are normal people and then you shoot them. And they're like, oh, fuck. And then you have like maybe a toy T-Rex that you're using as a puppet. And then you have it go like rah, and then like eating the people or something. I would can see that's a possibility, but like this does the job though, right? Or do you not think so? Yeah, it does the job. I get it. It's supposed to be terrible. I get that. Yeah. I guess, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. This looks like his forest down the road, though. It probably is, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, I guess. Yeah, again, I just like, let's see where it's going, I guess. Yeah. Alien stalker. When you called me and you told me you wrote something new, something original, I expected you to actually try. Well, to be fair, you know, to be fair, it's a little bit more original than the other ones. Like it is a step up. Yeah, well, this film sounded, I mean, okay, so Taxi Driver ripoff, right? But it was called Puppet's Lament. Like, you know, it's not quite as obvious as the other ones. You got Mission Possibly Really Hard in the background there. Yeah. He's got a Ron Tamato's review on his, framed on his wall. That's a nice touch, I guess. Okay. Well, your agent also thinks that the Sistine Chapel is some kind of dry martini. Now this is a very good joke. Here's the thing, there's something buried deep, deep underneath the surf. There's a, in another setting and another film said in a different way with different context, that could be a funny joke. Yeah, I was going to say. Where the whole joke of the bar experience is that they're naming just random shit as drinks that are being made. That's one way to do it, yeah. It's made me think of, let's say one of you guys came up with that as a joke and you're like, where could we put this in? I'd be like, let's not give the audience a chance to feel the deflation as in, you know, when you pause for laughter? Yeah, after and you're just like, okay. It's all, I think we've evolved as a fucking species at this point where pause for laughter is just, just don't do it. So the way I would have it is like, you know, someone's ripping into a character. Let's say a rushing agent or something and he's about to get a call or someone's about to tap him on the shoulder and the end of his sentence is like, he thinks the Sistine Chapel is a dry martin. Sorry, I'm going to walk up like he says it and there's the plot continues. And so you can do it a couple of different ways. I guess you could be like, oh, you know, my agent said it's like, yeah, your agent said it's right. I don't know. Your agent said the Sistine Chapel is a dry martin. So actually, and then, you know, like just like keep going. Like, don't yeah, don't don't wait for it because the core of the joke is silly name for a drink. So I would, for me, it would be a like a running gag at a location where all of the food and the drink names are these ridiculously silly names that are just played off as being completely normal throughout the whole scene. And no one joke is given time or anything. It's just a little running sort of background thing. Yeah, like you could you could imagine in a bar where you have like a bar and he's like next order. I don't know a fluble crank you will slip coming right up. I don't know. I need a left cow nipple or I have a whole bunch of people coming. And it feel like it's really helped me to figure this out in terms of wisdom. It felt like a very generic joke with a very generic delivery. Like I've yeah, it's not. I don't know. It's not, you know, the jokes that you pause on are like the really big, hard-hitting jokes. You know what I mean? That's kind of like an in-between joke. And I'm trying to think of like you'll often have it's say they say something. I've got an example of fucking Bilbo saying that the lime re says I know half of half of you as well as I what do you know? You know that whole thing. That's funny while simultaneously the joke is great because of the fact that you just insulted a bunch of people and it tells you a lot about his character. But a lot of people don't even get it and there's a pause because we're watching characters not get it and then Gandalf laughs. And so there's actually room for the audience to have fun there. But also we have a purpose outside of giving the audience time to absorb and laugh. That feels like a first draft joke. You know what I mean? If it was like one, he should have come back to and rethought. It felt a little bit like it would be something I described as like, ooh, I just got pulled out a little bit because that felt very constructed. Look at the sixth sense. Six Oscar nominations, six hundred and seventy two million dollars worldwide. Okay, right. So, okay, right. I think I think we figured it out, right? So he's obsessed with Oscars and money. He's a character that can't see making a movie without drawing from other movies. Every movie he makes has to be there has to be the every element is drawn from this. There's something that worked in a different movie. There's nothing original about him. It's just funny because a lot of like writing is, you know, pretty much all creative work is derivative to some extent. I'm like, again, I don't want to be an asshole. But I'm like, it's kind of like Chris Stockman as a character. I don't know. Maybe that's what he's going for, like a selfie to a degree. I don't think he is either. I think what he thinks is that he recognizes that this is not the way to do it and he tries to avoid this by being super humble. There's a video where he's talking about, you know, he's talking about like his filmmaking thing. And he's talking about how there's a guy who's done the composition for this and for the other one. And he's talking about, you know, if I make it like you're coming with me, it's like, it's such a humble brag. You know, like if I make it like, you know, when I make it first, I'll bring you with me sort of thing. And it's these little things. There's lots of little things. Yeah, like I said, it'd be funny if he was like, yeah, it's supposed to be like a parody vision to me. And I'd be like, oh, all right. $672 million worldwide. A goddamn UFO appears and obliterates a sex trafficking organization and then blasts off into the fucking clouds. Fucking. Why? Man, she's really angry. Yes, we've risen another tier. She's throwing you. Yeah, I know. This officially PG-13 now. I feel like we've missed scenes. Yeah, I feel like there's an extra, yeah, there's more that should have happened in this time for this to be where we are. This is the thing like, honestly, I'd be game for this. The idea of just a producer comes to a scriptwriter who's written some terrible shit and they're on their last straw. It's sort of a bad premise. Yeah. And the conversation just gets worse and worse and worse until the climax would probably be you are talentless, you know, and the writers just like, wow. Well, I just, I think of something funnier than this that's similar to this in Arby and the Chief. There's like this sort of, there's this little arc where like Master Chief wants to make a movie called James Bonk, so it's supposed to be in James Bond and he's just totally oblivious to how to make films. So he's like, he's using like these little drawings of you know, for like establishing shots and he's doing things like this time, chick, chick, like he's making the gun reload sound and he doesn't give a shit what like the arbiter says to him and it's just really funny because he's so oblivious and he doesn't care and it's like that's a really funny way of having a guy who knows nothing about making movies doing it and it's like maybe the bar's been set too high because I've watched too much really good content. Like this is it's fine so far. It's not, it's not bad. It's not bad. But it's just like. It's not bad. Mission possibly really hard sucked and people loved it. Now look, I know, I know that it's meant to look bad, but this is the reason why I think that you should like taper down your scope. You know, if you make it a movie and you don't have that much money, it just looks bad. Even though I know that that's like what they're going for, but it looks, I don't know. It's supposed to be bad, but it's like a different kind of bad like they did bad role. This is just trope the short film and I'm feeling like everywhere. So he's saying lines that are like echoed throughout discussions everywhere. So is she like Deus Ex Machina, for example, like this is a this feels like it was made for the critic community, if you will. And maybe it was whatever. Yeah. Not to mention like so what I was going to go with was like, so let's just take a random movie. So Marvel movie and so we have a poster in the background and it's Captain Manpower and you're like what the fuck and he's got like two hammers in his hands and got a barbecue grill attached attached to his back and he's super muscly. And you know, that's that's the thing and maybe he like throws meat at people and it slaps him in the face. And he's like, so what do we do now? It's like, what is Marvel famous for? Let's have color grading that overly blends everything together like to the point of extreme like all colors are just drawn right out. Yeah. What else like, okay, have a dramatic sequence happening and then someone makes a really bad joke in the middle of it. Like someone's let's say someone's mom just dies and then immediately after you go, well, you could always get another one and they all laugh. You know, and then what I'm trying to suggest here is just like, this really feels like you were just like, let's take a film and then take all the parts of people say the worst of it and then make a short funny thing out of it and we'll have this guy be a character that's making those films that I'm like, oh, I think it's just it feels both out of date and shallow because these are things that we've all talked about that we all know about and we've moved on to more difficult things to hone in on, you know, like it's obvious that running away from explosions is bad, but it's not so obvious that, you know, this is about the stream. He's like, let's have an explosion go off on him and it's like, okay, I get it. It's like a link thing where he is, he's so many explosions behind him and he keeps running and keeps running and that's the joke that they just, yeah, like he can't stop. He can't stop. He's like running for the point where he's crossing fields and going over mountains or maybe like, maybe a guy runs in, you know, like it's a marathon. So there's a table set up with a bunch of cups of water. Yeah. He picks up a lot of water. Yeah. Yeah. He's hilarious. Like he's you could have taken it further, man. This is off the top of my head. And that's, and that's if we agree that it's a good idea to have what is essentially, I feel like the clip show element might be damaging our ability to sort of sit with these characters. And it's like, we're feeling like it's almost jarring the way that she's reacting and he's reacting is elevating as opposed to if they were just posters and just referenced as their names and maybe plot elements while they were just back and forth thing for 20 minutes. Even you can have a 20 minute conversation. It can be very interesting. I don't know that these cuts to these hyper ridiculous scenes that are parodying some of the stupider elements of the film that they're going after. I'm just like, okay. All right. I don't know though. I would, I would hazard a guess that this was for fun. This thing. It wasn't meant to be like a serious thing at all. Like it wasn't like I could pick like let's say you made this ring and you're like, yeah, this is me kind of messing around. I just wanted to have some fun while making something. I'd be like, oh, okay. You know, it's not you did. Yeah. But who knows who knows what we're going to get right. It says comedy slash drama. So no one loved it. Let's agree to disagree. See, that's another like line. This is what I mean about the whole trophy thing. Agree to disagree. Yeah. I'm surprised he would even reference that because surely he thinks that's a fair thing to do. But all right. What's with the rolling pin? I've never seen a rolling pin wielding vigilante before. Good. No, not necessarily. That could be funny. So yeah, that was going to say horror comedy. It works. But drama wise, could it work that killer is using a rolling pin? It's like, well, you'd have to go with symbolic probably. Well, tied to the character. You can do a lot of messed up things with it. Maybe he bludges them and then make some. No, no, no, I mean, so you have to wait a way to people to eat. You have to answer the question of why they would pick a rolling pin instead of any other implement that's better for beating. Right. And I was going to say you can have it be that there's a reason they stick with that particular item like the killer has some kind of history with, you know, the family, the mother. Well, it sounds really silly, right? But you get what I mean. Is there a way to do it in a dramatic sense rather than because horror comedy? I think we all agree. Those that's not hard to pull off drama. Let's do it like, let's do it like this. So his dad works on a construction site and and it's really in disrepair. It's it's really, it's really in a bad state and the union doesn't have much power and he gets killed by a steamroller. I think that's not. I don't know. Is it? Okay. Yeah. I was going to say veering on funny. Uh, what about well, simple that the dads of this family used to beat the kid and eventually the mother tried to stop him and he killed her by grabbing what was nearest, which is a rolling pin. Yeah. Yeah. You like it's not a fundamentally bad, which is funny coming from the subjectivity crowd. Like that this is something that just wouldn't work ever. That's what that's why I find it interesting. I'm like, could we make it work? Is there a storyline where you can have a killer whose choice of weapon is a rolling pin? I was going to say like symbolically he may use this rolling pin because it's what was killed his mother and, you know, solidify his sense that his life was fucked from the beginning and you're not going to have a stupid ass seed where he goes the rolling pit and ruined my life. But you don't know really. I want to watch that movie now. What was the thing? I would I would personally want to watch the horror comedy, but I would give the drama a chance. That's what I mean. Yeah. Um, also they've got like, uh, is that supposed to be a reference to the Danakeroid vodka back there? You got the alien. Yeah. Yeah. The skull crystal skull vodka or whatever. And yeah, we got we got the close up and the clip for the mission impossible film as well. And again, I was just like, I don't know. This is totally like a subjective thing, I guess. But like, I just really want I'd like there's some stuff in the background to be things I can find and isn't focused ever. If you'd place that Jurassic Universe poster between the two of them and the frame never actually showed it until the cameras on him. And as he's explaining, let's say his greatest achievement in filming, the one that made the most money, the cameras slowly panning around and as soon as he actually reveals, let's say enough plot for you to guess what the film is, the poster starts to come into view. I don't know if that's too obvious, but it's at least dynamic as a reveal for the poster. It's something, you know. Yeah. It could be something. Yeah. Yeah, you named your villain Jerry. So you couldn't have picked a less menacing name. That's I. We go through a list of all the villains in cinema that are that are famous, I guess, from all kinds of different serial killers to normal people who just turn villainous like Norman Bates. Norman. Yeah, Norman is Norman. What? What's Hal? You know, Hal. That's a very threatening name. Hal. I mean, it's it's one of those things where you just go through the you start just to start thinking about it. Just start thinking about what do you mean by threatening? I mean, like, yeah, Sauron is on its face very, you know, foreboding, right? Fantasy universe. We live in the real world. And so in the real world, he was born and his parents gave him a normal name. Well, like one of the most historically willed stomping forces that ever existed would, you know, for shorthand called Jerry. Like, it's not something that is so ridiculous. Like, I don't know. That seems like a weird comment. The reason that Adolf has the common as the connotation it does is because a guy with a normal name, Adolf Hitler is a total normally normal name thing. She's saying it. It doesn't mean that she's right, but this film does seem to be framing it right now as the authority on what is actually normal and intelligent to a degree. Yeah, that's what the framing is. And I guess we'll say if that's what the framing truly is, which I believe it to be, that's dumb. Well, because we're almost arguing with her character and I don't know how much that. Yeah, how is she supposed to be the correct? I mean, because they're clearly playing him off as a goofball. He's a failure ish, but she's supposed to be like the reasonable person here. We've got Bill kill Bill Bill. I wonder how kill Jerry would have done. Oh, Norman Stansfield from the professional. We can easily just pull a whole bunch of like villain names that are on sugar. The Fleck Hector as an Hector Barbosa. He only appears in the first two acts while Jordan is dreaming. Right. It's a metaphor. Jordan's inner demons. But he shows up for real in the end. I'm sure they'll get it when they see it though. I mean, don't assume that your story makes sense because somebody uploads a 45 minute analysis to YouTube. Christopher. Oh, what? What's going on? I mean, that really felt like reaching out of the video into reality instead of. Yeah, that was directed at what an analysis would imply effort. So I guess in fairness, he's made videos where he does a deeper dive. So like there's a chance here that he's actually referencing his own work as a sort of like, Hey, you know, I do it too. Just because he's blah, blah, doesn't mean blah, blah, blah. That's almost a shot across the bow to fucking every video essayist to a degree. Yeah. I think he's made something like to that degree. So I think he's including himself. It's just it's fine. I hope so. Yeah. Because otherwise, I mean, because I agree with her. Yes. Just because someone makes a 45 minute video on your video doesn't mean doesn't mean anything necessarily saying that in response to the idea that you can't make a metaphor for somebody being an inner demon because they become real. What is what is that? Yeah, you could. That's not a forgone conclusion. And like, I don't. I don't agree with her judgments at least in time. The idea that there's a there's a guy in his dreams supposed to be a metaphor for the idea of having an inner demon. And he's an actual character by the end of the film. And this is again, we're doing this again. This is why I like doing this in terms of like writing. How do we make that a reality in a dramatic film? And I'd be like, I think the easiest way would be that the reveal is you could have a bit of fucked up memory or they saw a picture of this person a long time ago and it's made into this subconscious or maybe like you perceive them in your mind in a certain way. So you start treating them badly and then they start to actually dislike you in the real life in the real if we have access to sci-fi. There's a lot of ways to make this work. Oh yeah. I mean, do you guys ever watch the sphere? No. It's a really good. We should watch it sometime. It's like, it's like a 90s movie. But it's like if someone goes into a sphere and then the stuff that they imagine starts kind of the things in their head kind of starts to manifest in reality based on what they're kind of thinking to a degree. But yeah, we're almost we've almost crafted what could be pretty cool premise people you see in your dreams can be manifested and they all represent in a demons in a struggle. Oh yeah. I mean, that's I want to say that there was like an SCP story like that where they have to keep someone like permanently sedated because they have the ability when they dream of things or when they think about stuff like it causes real things similar to happen in the actual world. So they have to keep them. Whatever my God, there's an episode of Buffy that exactly sorry angel that does this. I just fucking realized to remain nice and big episode opens with the character looking into a mirror and then we start to notice that the the character in the mirror is moving differently and he starts talking to him and it's basically his self-conscious ripping into him and he like slams the mirror because he's pissed off and it's gone which like okay the further you go into the story the more you realize he's a demon by the way this character and something's been done to him that allows him to manifest inner conflicts that he doesn't deal with as corporeal elements that can actually do damage it happens by the end of the episode it's magic base I just can't believe I didn't think of this I think like literally the premise and it's a part of what's considered the best season of angel so there's not many set of premises that you can't make a story out of there's the as much as I think isn't that like the way that it works the premise is not the problem it's the execution there's nothing wrong with the idea necessarily well you got this gilvin like kind of a villain called Jerry we just said you're like challenge accepted I guess this is I don't know this is fascinating coming from the subjectivity sort of you know sphere to say these things right because it's very broad isn't this great this is hilarious it's like oh ifap you know they don't like anybody like anything whilst also saying that any premise could work and again we're not we're not ascribing these comments to Chris Stuckman it's clearly this character I don't know that he agrees with this or not maybe he agrees with neither of them he thinks that maybe these are supposed to be representations of the the terrible film critic and the terrible filmmaker yeah maybe Inception nominated for eight Oscars one for 828 million perfected that script over a period of 10 perfected that script perfected okay whoa Inception like the easy criticism it has a fucking characters are all bland as shit outside of like Leonardo DiCaprio and his wife they all like fall into the same thing you mostly forget why the other people in Inception are even there you know like the whole dream team you're like what do you even do like I completely forgot he makes up the you know grenade launches perfected over 10 years is that true he worked on it for 10 years but that doesn't mean you perfected it I mean I like that movie but well I was going to say I like Inception too but alright and also like I mean what's the implication there is something that somebody worked on for 10 years necessarily better than something that somebody worked on for one year or like six months the only response is not necessarily you know yeah I thought that you didn't want to write movies like this anymore but I how did you read his script and conclude that yeah also the by the there's like what five movies that he's made like this so far we don't even know about the poster behind her yet I don't understand her character why are you here different after the fifth sixth attempt of the same thing see that's a valid point but she's also read this new one and she's like I thought you were going to change like why would you zoom that why would you think that what what did he say like the script you don't like it he hates it yeah this complete lack of perception is exactly why I broke up with you in the first place oh there we go okay she's literally just here to offer her opinion on his films I guess maybe she works in the industry but she just doesn't work with him which would make sense okay that was um maybe also felt like a little bit of a clunky segue you have no perception that that's why we broke up you're like oh oh all right all right it's not like you've never won anything before sorry what was the line of dialogue before showing this it's not like you've never won anything before yeah and then they played this straight away and so now action person and discount Kylo Ren are on a construction site why is it also over the top? we've been noticing and commenting all the things in the background that I find kind of D or whatever and then they get showed like all right I mean at least this frame I couldn't quite see but that is a pretty blatant framing for the for the vodka alien and the shots you know it's like look at them too by the way it's like okay he knows what people will instantly think of when they see it it's almost everything in this room like this is a set for a movie yes they put everything they put everything here this was all arbitrary they all decided to put all this stuff here doesn't feel like an organically you know furnished I was going to say that earlier but I didn't like this is almost like a like robots or like aliens have kidnapped somebody and they're trying to trick them into thinking this is a real habitation and so they arrange room in a certain way everything was meticulously placed to represent ideas of what this thing is supposed to be and something got lost in translation I'm just not feeling like myself lately tone you're making good money you know he's so he's successful sorry just the way that that conversation went right so you have let's take quality out of the equation for a second and just focus on originality this is exactly why you're writing these these shitty knockoffs you've been writing for the past six years and this complete lack of perception is exactly why I broke up with you in the first place I did really try with this one Melanie you've made a name for yourself I you've got your it's not like you've never won anything before I'm just not feeling like myself lately Mel you're making good money these shitty knockoffs you've been writing for the past six years you're making good money not feeling like myself lately tone it's not that then why ask for my notes when I moved here after college I didn't care if people liked them if they did well just want to make them this is a dramatic speech right the cameras sort of just staying here it moves enough to know that you know someone's holding it but it's not like you would like it's without purpose yeah it's almost like if I was gonna hold the camera to deliberately show movement it would be like maybe outside it's windy there's motion going on and the camera maybe reflects that in some way or there's tension in the air and so the motion of the camera kind of shows that like it could break in any second this is really half me to actually try and explain so I don't think I've actually made this criticism about anything before it's very rare that I will tell you I don't like how long this shot is lasting because not so many I fucking love long shots so that I think it's because I feel like I'm in the room and I'm awkwardly staring at him do you ever have this in like conversations where you're like I've been staring at this one thing for a while I should probably look at something else now if you're waiting for something yeah and you could do it with the same person sitting across from you looking at a magazine you look at them for a bit and then you're like right I can only look at the for about another five seconds for I have to move otherwise if they see me it's almost like if you notice that a lot of the times you notice things are one shots after the fact right right yes exactly you're not like well this shot is going on for a long time when is it going to change right you don't want to draw people's attention to the cut whether it's too short or too long you know what I mean like you don't want people to be thinking about the edits well yeah like and the hillhouse episode we I got to I need to get away but in the the other with a funeral that shot was like 16 minutes or some bullshit and you didn't even really you just like noticed it in the back of your mind because it was impressive not because it was taking something away from the scene stuff was happening characters were changing about that fucking one shot it's so good oh my god a one shot isn't good just because it's a one shot it's what you can achieve in your one shot yeah and it's not just just yeah you it's not just like say for example it's like my one shot is pretty much determined by how good this act is going to pull this off it's like no no you need to be doing work too Mr. camera man I'm not saying there's not work being done it's more I feel like the camera doesn't know what to do right now other than he's here and he's saying things I'm here point of man talking the camera is really wobbly yes not only is it wobbly but there's another thing I think and it's the the movie's calling a movie short film whatever you want up to this point whoever's been the speaker the camera will draw its attention to them that's the first time I think that we've had a shot where the entire sentence thing that's delivered was off-screen and so it can be like oh the camera didn't move but I'm not saying that that's something you cannot do there's plenty of times where before during and after someone else making a statement it can tell you a lot about what they're feeling and I think that's what he was gunning for with this it's just that like I said it I I wasn't prepared for that so it felt a bit weird I think anybody who's stuck with that would be like you've ruined the movie by pausing it too much and I'd be like so the whole premise behind fucking pausing is that you've had a thought and there's not enough time to share it before you're gonna have another one and then there's new information to absorb as well that's why I typically draw it back because the moment that I choose to pause and hit pause there's about two seconds where I haven't absorbed anything from what's been shown and so I want to make sure I catch it all I'm practically delivering the premise of every frame of pause not being something that should be looked at as ruining content by pausing it we'll have to do this with something we consider to be great one day or something like that because this the first of its kind honestly we're practically live reviewing a film yeah some people feel like they watch it once they have their thoughts and that's it like there's no need for anything else I still feel this is competent enough meanwhile I'm cashing in checks for my voyeuristic dog sex franchise I feel like a little totally fucked here like yeah we just entered into a the climax speech what feels like you know yeah we're we're about at the halfway point and I don't know this is a lot to coax out of somebody in nine minutes I feel like it would take you longer oh yeah this is somebody to say this not just I don't think I wouldn't describe this as rushed it feels like several conversations took place and you cut them all up into pieces and then drew one conversation from different pieces of all these different conversations yeah doesn't feel like real people talking I mean some of the lines feel real enough but they're just in the wrong places like some of these some of these responses I'm like what look we we we notice this from the get go with here like getting angry really fast and then throwing in loads of swear words like whoa whoa all right okay I didn't know that's what we were dealing with he's got really small ears oh thanks for pointing that out now I'm not going to the part where they asked how you got your start you didn't even mention werewolf woods our first script we wrote together you're embarrassed by me Joe that's have you seen a movie? I mean I thought she'd made that clear already yeah I mean like yeah she said she she yelled at you that you made shitty fucking movies I don't know she literally said nobody liked mission possibly hard or whatever yeah I what's what's the surprise here it's a new revelation that she doesn't like his movies yeah so he makes bad movies that are successful financially he's not like a failure in that sense successful financially and yet no one likes them and but the whole comment about the best like I'm talking about like this the spirit of the comment because even in hot fuzz they have Shaun of the dead in a bargain bin and Shaun of the dead is amazing so anything can end up in a bargain bin however she's saying your movies are so shit they like belong will end up there and no one likes them it's like not true like even I would be like if someone said Michael Bay couldn't please an audience I'd be like um like obviously that's not true yeah you sure can that's more of a combination of the audience instead of Michael Bay sure yeah this is the thing like I this is a part of her I'm confused about I mean fuck you you know like if you had a friend who was making movies regularly and successfully and he said he'd happily work on scripts with you that's you like that's you're in to be like I can maybe improve them you get you're getting a maid I could maybe and it'll it'll give me a bit more clout in terms of recognition as a screenwriter and I actually get to fucking test screenwriting so yeah I don't know it seems like a good setup but because what I'm getting here is like he's he's this failed filmmaker who has all these embarrassing films that made enough money to let's just say break even or pay the rent but sounds like they did better than that it sounds yeah sounds and you know you hit him he like he made like three sequels to the the animals people having sex things so they must have had a decent amount of success right I don't know I'm very confused by these characters yeah obviously I'm aware of like shitty films that get sequels but I'm yeah I don't really understand the state of a phase for him and and for really what's my legacy you know what will I be remembered for will I be remembered I want to make a movie that people watch over a fine glass of wine who is this person what happens to the person that we got at the beginning what happens to the person 10 minutes ago I just feel like this is like a too quick yeah like I feel like this is just a different character entirely well the thing is it feels like we jumped from you know step the stage one who's like nah everything I'm making is good everything I'm making is good he was arguing yeah he was arguing heavily for his stuff and now he's like and you know people loved it the way that he argued for his film was very very movie super deep meta-textual fucking nonsense a lot of ways it's it's it's a visual story but then he has all of these just ridiculous films that are supposed to be ridiculous like how does I don't know how that's supposed to work together like I guess he's now trying yeah trying not to make something but maybe the rolling pin film is his attempts at doing something great as opposed to the rest which are all terrible maybe but it seems like it slots in exactly with the rest yeah this is what I mean it's a it's a rip-off of taxi driver that looks like it's going to be really stupid I want to make a film that people watch in theaters not on the toilet watch his films on the toilet I want people to watch them in theaters not on the toilet but instead he said in theaters not on the toilet yeah odd inflection of the line porn I want to make a film that people watch in theaters not on the toilet he's almost there Chris sort of asked him to do it again this is what should have happened if that's what he was going for the gap is too too small so it sounds like in theaters not on the toilet it's fine yeah yeah he says something like this is going to be my masterpiece and then she's like oh like you know Jurassic universe and then it shows us the clip of it and then he goes that was that I you know yeah he tries to explain the meta-textual well no I'm saying he's trying to be like that was a fuck-up yes that I failed on that one but this one's great and then she goes he says like an amazing theme she's like oh like mission super hard and then he's like look I made some mistakes sure but like he's he's basically acknowledging that this is the movie that's a masterpiece and it's different from all those other failures because that's what he's doing right now he wasn't doing that earlier but he kind of feels like a different character now just a little bit and the who killed his wife mystery box is fun but it's nothing we haven't seen before not good criticism yeah no just because you've seen something before doesn't make it you shouldn't have it Oh what a murder in a movie yeah it's like well it depends I don't know if you tell him what to change but not why yes that's to improve that's the issue I think yeah also by the way mystery box another key like phrase for the critic crowd I only hear it from JJ Abrams and electronic arts I'm not even sure that I hear this from like I don't like I wouldn't expect necessarily to hear this from like a screenwriter necessarily I guess if they were a big fan of JJ that the screen and says first by Palomite then I'm punished and No or what if what if he challenges Jerry to to an arm wrestling contest to win back his honor okay a second ago he was somber and accepting without question her criticism like now it seems like he has some sort of personality disorder yeah to this point even the character of the direction has changed the cat it's like that's what I feel like I'm in now yeah and he's gonna he's just gonna start spitting takes they're all insane and yeah like this is why your relationship didn't work out because you're fucking weird like you're all over the place yeah they feel like this is our third character from him now yeah he's he's sort of back to the first guy yeah it's like if you could draw a spectrum of the crazy filmmaker who's an idiot 0 to 10 we had him at 0 a second ago and now he's at a full 10 and like up till the 0 in the 10 he was like a five should make an autobiography like at this point that'd be way more interesting than the movie season making just an insight into this man's mind God damn it you're right I I'm fucking talentless I'm pathetic I even had a good idea since I'm gonna snatch her that's the scene are we going back now yeah which character are we now oh you can hear even the violin part playing now I was gonna say this is totally changed this is your standard something music yeah do you remember how we did it yeah we flipped the main characters and changed the story it fixed everything all right so werewolf woods was like an act I guess that's an actual hit like it's an ironically a good movie but she's just implied the the film worked but she's still ashamed of it you can't have both when he pushed stuff off his table he said I haven't made anything good since and he said something like zombie something the woods one is good this this zombie one is good but also that this this rolling pin one is your first good one huh yeah what damn it I got it our hero is really the villain that's actually not bad how come you accept that idea but the other one's just on their face I'm very curious to know how that fixes the story is that how works you just change one thing and it's all good you know the funny about this it's not really applicable to what you've just said but if we had Batwoman and we made it so she was a villain this could win comes back to take it down I'm not trying to take a shot at female protagonist here but again Ray and Captain Marvel if they were both villains our stories could be a hell of a lot more interesting with what we're getting out of them you know like this wouldn't work for like Rogue one making Jin and villain like why then we're applying the same thing to what she said here to all the other stuff which is the premise isn't terrible at all it's the execution yeah like the fact that this one is different from all of the other things and reason this is not explain such a weird like method I guess you know the idea of what if we just change this one thing around all that says like that could be something I don't know it just depends well yeah I think a relevant that completely changes the framing of the entire premises what if Superman was evil it's like cool premise you have to do more than that when you make the fucking story like you could just say what if superman see but vice versa if you have a fully plotted out script that you go let's flip a hero to villain I'd be like literally with that woman for example a lot of work I guess they're just talking about like hey they're thinking in their head about all the different things they can change maybe like John is and and we can tell he's like like like an enforcer type guy and not a fan of the soundtrack yeah boo boo boo boo but John is and and we can tell I don't need those I don't I don't have a revelation like this is this is great this is a good film this is different from the others for reasons that we want to explain I was about to say I think this would have worked better with zero soundtrack actually I don't need it's it's all dialogue so not the dialogue doesn't need soundtrack you're not you're not looking at establishing shots or um a lot a lot of things that without music feel fucking awkward so what I'm getting that the emotion of the actors should probably be able to carry the scenes into what we're feeling I say that knowing full well that I've been I've been dragged left and right with this thing what about a son? I mean it's over used but not necessarily a bad idea think how was this son or what that's her input that's been done and she's great okay she seems to be so she's on the opposite end of the spectrum so on one side you have the guy rips off everything and on the other you have we can't have humans that's been done such a weird way imagine somebody saying character arcs have been done you know you want to you you don't want to do that okay Leon 1993 stop doing that I agree with her please stop doing that not speak without referencing a film maybe they're supposed to represent what's wrong with filmmakers and critics or something but I don't I don't know yet about her it's all it's all back to other things nothing can be on its own just I have to felt a spark like this in years years I thought these are all films that you wanted to make and you thought we're good what about earlier when he was doing those pitches and she was like no that's terrible I guess that's different he was lying to himself I don't know that's I don't know also you shouldn't say that I don't know I would prefer if he didn't say that overtly you know like you don't yeah everybody's declaring what they mean like in overt terms and it's kind of I don't know people don't always say what they mean for starters and secondly they'd seem to contradict other things that have been said before I just I don't I can't make heads or tails of this character he's well here let's just it's really really simple when you when looking at like a base way like after all of that we've heard so far about this guy let's ask ourselves does he hate what he does or does he love what he does my take was he likes what he does but he wants to be remembered for something good what he makes is bad and he wants to make something that is but he's constantly defending it but yeah because I know you're right he's it's a while he knows they're bad he wants to make something good but he also would argue that there's something of value in them despite being bad that's the best I can give that that that's I that's that's still leaving me with issues though because if he recognizes that what he makes isn't good and that there needs to be a change why would he defend that he's not happy with it the problem is so many variables with like how do these characters gauge quality people liking it him making money them being critically came claimed them being scripts that they consider to be good like both of them or one of them he said that he's got three route of three films that he's referenced in some way she performed that we're good and they're all funnily enough ones at the beginning ones in the middle and ones coming up now it's a broken prop from Captain Balsada see wasn't the only thing that didn't work on that movie here get up come on we're gonna act now why would she agree to this happening what's happening and also she seems to be like in the attitude now someone who's almost a hostage yeah even though even though she knows it's a fake gun like he just just I don't know and also just the idea of taking out a a gun broken proper not and pointing it at your head and pulling the trigger makes Oh God fuck no I did what was necessary that bitch deserve to die and how could you take something so music yeah what is grinding my gears a little bit they yeah just to want to play that I don't need it I don't really need it last that's just to play that bit again did what was necessary that bitch deserve to die I'm not even sure it matches it doesn't because they're supposed you would think that the I would have the music be like the opposite like it's supposed to at that moment that they're acting out yeah that could work I think I would go with no soundtrack personally I think I think you two choices here are either no no music at all or maybe you do what kind you know when you watch Looney turns and it's very dynamic like it's changing all the time to suit exactly what's happening on screen so like done done done done done done the thing is that sort of thing the issue the issue there is it with Looney turns the music was composed specifically to match like frame by frame to what was happening so it was like they would have composed a whole thing to come like it's it's not really feasible for this but again you you don't need music for the whole thing you could I don't know just don't do the music that's that's the main thing this feels like gotta do it one of those but there's got to be music you know I mean even though that's a very odd you to have of any you know movie that doesn't mean some of some of the most impactful stuff people often like cutting out the music like really really impactful moments can thud so much harder when there's no soundtrack the kamikaze in tlj I believe there's no music for that I think that moment is effective visually impactful I just think it's dumb writing wise it's just dumb but then you have to see think of all the Tarantino scenes where people are talking and you know shit might happen at any moment and there's no music happening well I think the issue is that are music and you really want people to not notice it to be affected by it but to not to the point where they go hey hey what are you doing you're pushing me to an emotion stop it I need to get myself well I guess I think the scene with our when it's Luke versus Darth Vader you know when they're fighting it's like the best lightsaber fight in the whole series and I think that one's made a lot better with the music fucking fantastic yeah that whole bit is just great deal of the fate it's it's uh no that was no that was I'm talking about episode six I know it's just another example oh yeah all of the that song almost saves sin there's a good example because dual of the fates plays it's really good but then it cuts out when it's Qui-Gon versus our Darth Maul there's no music it's just true a lot more intimate and closely together and yeah well it was a man the throne room scene without John Williams yeah yeah yeah I was gonna reference by the way because again in terms of options right let's got high-action soundtrack people getting chased and then you have a guy jumps over a thing he sees the guy was chasing him has fallen over or something he's free and clear but then there's another character we're aware of who catches up to him and shoots him and so like he crossover sees them shot does the soundtrack tin loud and dramatic and sad all cuts out the second he shot these are like two different significant choices you can make and I think you notice him post which one works better but I almost always love the cut of the soundtrack it's just yeah I think I think breaking bad does it a lot remember the scene where Jesse's going to go up to the drug dealers and then the car just comes out and Walt drives runs them down the music cuts out completely breaking bad is a great example like if you ever want to look at how to use music in a in a great way breaking bad is probably there the good example and yeah this I'd say John Wick does it really well the pulsing dance music really goes well with the lights and the you know the action and stuff's happening and it yeah a lot of the shots line up with the beats yeah yes it's there's a certain rhythm to music and action to scenes in particular that can work but even in John Wick there are parts where the music cut out I think naturally less input means we focus highly on the input we have which is gunshots men's like screaming or going ah all the sounds of moving around rolling and it's just it makes it can make it can make for a more immersive experience while in this moment I'm confused exactly how I should feel for her and for him and what this is going to amount to and the music is like a person next to me saying this is good and I'm like is it is it I think the idea is just fine stranger yeah six son of a bitch and then you say there's some lines because remember we're switching the rules and how could you take something so precious from this precious world what do you mean maybe change the adjectives there a little bit this is exactly why you're writing these these shitty knockoffs you've been writing for the past six years I mean there's not enough water in the world to wash away the blood on my hands it's odd that you find that hypocritical seems like the wrong time to get into a philosophical tired initial piece of dialogue was how many people have you feel this is the time for the ethical debate oftentimes in climax absolutely what the what a weird criticism I just I mean this is weird Jordan approaches and and presses his gun system when you do something about that why would this be the way that you would hold a gun to a piss this is really strange you're very very at risk to being disarmed like a figure on the trigger I mean I I trained assassin or a gunman would never press his gun up to someone like that like it's a rain happen you would don't go don't be with an arms reach of somebody that's the whole point trigger the guns gonna fly right out of the hand and then you might be like well don't you see he wrote this what's terrible and she's like I dab I'm pretty fine to fix though I mean is it much better one take than the other one do you want me to keep reading what are they doing what is this are they like regaining their spark like are they still on I like is that going to be the point of this is that the relationship is rekindled thanks to this conversation was that so like these characters are really like tensed and it's like they've just fucking orgasmed I can't believe I'm saying this but like this content doesn't work for a short film we need an hour at least yeah and what we're what they're actually doing doesn't match at all what they should be feeling weird person again wait she seems downright aroused yeah weird thank you Mel this is really awkward didn't he just like I got it so all that happened right this is funny because you brought up the whole if you had a success with your first film when you want to try and apply what worked about it with future ones and the literal thing was flipping that's it and apparently he's thanking her for this it's like you really do anything you you established you came up with the idea you established to hear that we wrote this film but we flipped it and we should do it with this and she's just been like agreeing with you this whole time I guess the fact that she was here for facilitated that I all right all right for a second there I felt like we were back at that park in college did you fucking that park missed this missed what missed what yeah what a shot oh geez I think we're too close way too close I hope oh my God look every time gets back to it makes me it's almost like they're not people up this up close like this with a hint of redemption for it oh I get it because that's what yeah I was going to say this applies to him I don't know if I'd say it was like bad I don't know like I would say it's bad I mean how much did we talk about the inconsistent tone and how it seems to be different characters at different times and how there's just how anything okay I that had to be a first draft like that because there was a lot that I think you know like to me that that reads like something you would come up with the first time and then you'd look back at it and then you try and like get the connected tissue you know I mean like you'd be like all right I want to get him from here to here but I need to like change this I need to I don't know he's to draw that right out you got it in all of those changes dude because way too quick yeah I don't know if a 20 minute film 18 19 minute film maybe not the best medium to show a week a whole movie on that you could have done a whole movie for that honestly like you could have done a whole movie yeah you could go for an hour and 30 minutes for that I think any longer might be a bit tricky but like that there's a lot that you could have pulled from that because you could you could they if it was like we skipped a lot in between the thing is is I got to imagine that he ran this past people like the script but I guess the issue was that I feel like I don't know I feel like he doesn't have people who will scathingly criticizes stuff probably not we're probably gonna be the most key thing there is outside of people who just hate him people will ask people will just be like why didn't you like it it's just a 20 minute Chris Duckman movie is like well it's kind of garbage well I think part of the issue that people have coming into they'll be like what if I didn't know this what if I didn't know who Chris Duckman was and this was the first thing I saw like it doesn't well like I said if you showed someone as an episode of a TV show I think they could believe that it was an episode of a TV show but they might like and I was gonna say in terms of like these three credits specifically right so we'll if we start with the production so just the the sets costumes and I I guess I give like a solid five for that yeah like it's it was fine really right in the middle yeah direction again probably a solid five I'd probably go for because there were a few shots where we were like that was too long or like counteracted by the the one shot that was alright to the end I don't know because that one shot was okay you know it was fine so I don't know know four or five then and then the writing is we tend to advocate that writing is the most important and I'm we're looking at a three two or three yeah I mean I I guess the thing is we move past the comedy thing I think we've got way past that eventually well I mean funnily enough in reference to the beginning like that we're pulling full zeros on reactions in terms of like was I ever made to laugh or feel it's like not really let's look at our little tally here for chuckles we had Mahler said three zero myself said two it was a thing it was a zero across the board yeah for laughs it was zeros across the board definite didn't even make me didn't even make me smile honestly we have too confused to be laughing yeah the touching scenes being moved is a comedy drama Mahler said he he he would have a a moment was one and bringing I said zero and I think it was zeros across the board mm-hmm I mean all I felt was confused yeah infusion is yeah definitely confusion I was too busy noticing it was inconsistent these didn't feel like real people talking in an actual conversation that might be had with anyone it felt very artificial at the same time referencing is terrible movies which yeah I I really think that some of these cutaways like with the heart punch thing really oh they're go we're back Oh now we're to where we were before yeah they felt awkward it's almost like we need to have special effects for the sake of special effects even at our level want to think there would have been way better ways to pull that off nothing stands at at best the movie is not not worthy I guess the thing is right when it comes to you know amateur filmmaking or what and I don't mean that like a derogatory I mean just like somebody starting off for somebody's working all like budget like even if the production values aren't there you know if they're a good writer that's going to come through no matter what like the good writing will always sort of prevail which is why writing yeah you'll almost you often get the whole like oh yeah wasn't too great but the dialogue was good or the wheel building was good or the or you can have things like maybe the acting wasn't so great but the dialogue I think was fine or the dialogue was good or I likes the the idea or something like you know it's filmed on a pretty crappy camera but you know it's actually pretty good mm-hmm stuff like that here it's like the sets are fine the cameras are fine it all looks clear it's all well lit and all that but like something wrong with the actual story itself and that's the most important pot well so what do you guys reckon about the comment of you guys haven't made one of these well I haven't made a short film no I would never make something like this well I was going to say it's an inevitable combat you may as well respond to ahead of time you haven't made a movie it was like okay so you've now invalidated all of Chris Duckman's review was reviews before he made a movie good job well I guess the whole idea is like well he's trying and it's like yeah he is and that's fine and in that regard yeah keep going just keep going yeah he might as well he might as well learn from this make something something's that's good because the thing is you know if if somebody watched a review of their own movie and all they did was sort of scoff and go like oh I was over the top it's like I I you know stop well it's the thing I think a lot of people might watch this and be like wow assholes but I'd be like I feel like we did everything we could to get as detailed as we could about all the different things that could have been done as opposed to what was done and why what we were trying to suggest would be seen as better always yeah advice is good or bad regardless of where it comes from and I mean do you think that literally he can only get it from other directors obviously that's not how it works like I don't have to be a chef to know that what I just ate tasted terrible yeah um I think that this is the thing again it's going to get made anyway but yeah I guess that's that's about it anything else so yep not uh try harder I don't know I don't know alright and yeah that's it