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Michael Collins demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys It's time for voiceover body shop and audio masters round table. We love doing this and We've covered the universe of voiceover all but we haven't had an audio round table in quite a while That's the ultimate acoustic treatment the vacuum of space That's right, no, it's fun to be back again here in the studio not sick being able to actually shake hands with people And not be concerned about spreading anything what I catch I can't but anyway, I had my flu shot Yeah, so I'm glad so far so good, right? Yeah, asking my son this one to get your flu shot I don't remember you don't remember On the arm how many shots do you take every week your flu shot? Yeah, I'm wearing my World War one Hawaiian shirt tonight go see 1917 and homage to the movie great great piece of film Gets my vote, but I don't get a vote Yet it's emotional right exactly. Yeah, and you got to see it on the big screen and how you doing You're obviously feeling better and yeah, I've done two Mound bike races since I got better No, I feel I feel great actually exercise seems to help It's good to know of a gun. Yeah, so we've got our audio masters round table tonight And I'll introduce our guests in a second but this is a great opportunity for you to ask your questions on home voiceover studio something really specific or something very broad in general and Yeah, these guys know how to talk about this stuff. Hopefully we'll understand them But they talk our language they speak a language. That's right So let's let's introduce our guests and hopefully the other one will show up here in a few minutes First joining us from Dallas, Texas is our good friend Cliff Zellman who is now? Believe it or not. He is now director of talent development at ACM Automotive and we'll talk to you about that a little bit too. Welcome. Yes, we thank you. Thank you great to be here It's been a long time. If I'm thrilled to be here and and be with be with my boys but we got to make sure that when we say HCM and talent development all the stuff that it's automotive because Directors and other departments and you know, I can't take the responsibility the whole thing, but certainly Yeah, the automotive stuff. Come on in Jordan Hey See now the door swung open and then watch Jordan. Oh, okay. Here get them get in the middle seat Da-da-da-da all the men right there really you get the middle seat. Okay, you can take off his coat This is this is what we call on the fly broadcasting. I think this is literally the first time Jordan I've been in the same room since Almost right. Yeah, I was starting. I wanted to keep a joke going that we're actually the same person Just ruin it by showing We can grow facial hair very quickly. Yeah, so I wouldn't put that pass him Jordan, yeah And joining us from New Jersey is our good friend uncle Roy from Ant-Land Productions. Welcome uncle Roy I have to dust off the round table and here we are they pulled out that tablecloth All the microphone stayed in place amazing That was amazing and joining us now off the 101 is Jordan Reynolds. Oh, where's the main camera? They got like 20 cameras right? So what's everybody been up to Cliff you start off I mean you're you're now at ACM automotive what is that all about and tell us a little bit about yourself for those Millions of people who haven't watched the show before Well Interestingly, I got I got a phone call from Mark As I was in an Uber driving from the airport on my way to Wovo So I'm talking to him. I'm standing out in front of the Tropic canna for about another half hour with all of my luggage We talked about a lot of things a lot of very exciting things a lot of fun things that that I you know It just says that you know, this is something that I can really really fit into and really enjoy And then I had three days with 150 of my best friends and I can't say a word about it You know, I'm sitting there like you know, NDA man You can't talk about because we didn't you know really solve anything we didn't come to any conclusions, but you know, we planted the seeds and all this stuff and In his ultimate wisdom and brilliance he Announces January 1st 9 o'clock in the morning that I joined and I'm joined the team. I'm having brunch with my family Whoa, this is kind of you know a weird time to post but boom like within 20 minutes that you know All of our friends were on there and talking about it and congratulations, and it was and it's fun I've been working on a database. I'm focusing on bringing in The talent that ACM already has focusing on automotive bringing them up and really my main focus And then what we've done with this is getting everybody up for absolutely undeniable presentations When we hit up clients agencies and dealerships. I want to go in with three voices. I want to do 50 I want to say one you'll pick two you won't Undeniable presentations and it's going to be fun So very excited for anybody that just checked in my I still have a very good relationship with radio vision I did a bunch of spots last week But I'm out of the everyday Editing basic editing revisions multiple revisions more revisions But no burn bridges. We love each other and it's a 24 year Solid relationship and we're figuring out ways that you know, we can help each other mutually So it's it's all good. Oh, right. Oh sounds very exciting. Thank you. It is. It's really exciting Uncle Roy, what are you been up to besides eating bagels? Forget to go get the bagel prop to put on the Emmy, but we'll do that later First of all, I'm wearing my VO Atlanta shirt cuz I know His world war one shirt there Hope to see everybody at VO Atlanta I've been working on the third audio book with my 10th grade English teacher who when we met I was 15 and he was 25 Don't do the math He's in his five years Yeah, well that math you can do he's in his retirement and he just he's an author narrator And he used to direct me in the school shows and now I get to direct him and do sound design and produce him we've had numerous nominations and voice arts awards and Audis and all those things and We're gonna submit for a Grammy for 2021 see what happens Because the Emmy is lonely. It needs a Grammy. It needs something and I don't have a voice arts award I have the nomination bling. That's pretty cool and For my money a nomination is a win, you know, if you're up there with five or six other people That's enough for me. So Just between that and children's theater and you know demos and coaching and every other aspect of what we do and teaching the world how to use Adobe audition a lot of tech support Audition, yeah, that's we're all very grateful for that. Okay, nothing to it To the right is louder everything else, you know Exactly But when you get your right like like Cliff had mentioned in one of the posts He said yeah, so when I get audio from a person that Uncle Roy showed them how to do it The audio sounds right right. All right, we'll get into that a little bit too Jordan I'm sorry for being out of breath. What are you been up to? Running all the way to get here. I ran all the way from Burbank Man, what have I not been up to 2019 was crazy lots of video games anime some adult swim stuff Like games like astral chain the Tom Clancy division to some pretty they've won some awards and stuff I don't think for the voice acting or anything, but I think maybe one did but anyways So just for some really big franchises. So that's been really fun commercials. You name it So kind of the whole gambits. It's nice to keep it mixed up and then demos production when I can fit it in People who have done demos with me are they're very they're they're lucky in the fact that I got them done Because it's like, you know, it's I fit them in where I can't I love doing them But it's you know anyone who knows any any sort of demo production. It's like if you do it, right? It takes a long time So so yeah, 2019 has been crazy. I'm looking forward to 2020. All right. Yeah, we're only 13 days into it I know lucky 13. Yeah, again, we told we told everyone there would be no math 365 52 yeah, yeah, I think that's actually right Okay, anyway, so this is an audio master's round table These are we're five guys that know each other very well because we we pretty much have the same opinion about home voiceover studio audio, but I'll throw out the first question here and that is I I Want everybody's thoughts on the state of the voiceover industry, you know somewhat maybe from a technical point of view in 2020 because you know as I like to say the more things change the more things change So Jordan, why don't we start with you? What are your thoughts on that? It's not all right like a blended technical Yeah, it's like what angle we go. We're just voiceover in general. Okay. Um, well in general just everything's getting faster Faster faster. It's like it's like the most the least things that on paper seem like to be the least important like we made a new internal video to Show how to you know book a calendar a vacation request. We need it in 20 minutes, you know Like seriously, like it's it's like anything like internal stuff to you know, I'm not complaining I'm just saying it's you have to be ready for it as a voice talent So it can be a little stressful But hey if you got your tech stuff set up and everything and you got a home studio that you're confident in Because I know a lot of people Especially in this town where they have the advantage of going into local studios. Yeah, they are used to just oh I'll just book out a studio I think that's becoming if you if you're branching out online and not just booking through your agent Which you should be if you want to build, you know build your business Um, it's becoming super fast and just you got to be kind of tied to your studio to a degree I mean, it's the reason I was late I couldn't get away as fast as I wanted to so and in the tech field everything is getting like Simpler finally it like more Everything's getting virtualized, but we probably talk about that later as far as the really nerdy stuff. Yeah, yeah and cheaper Yeah, I know like it sounds so good Yeah, yeah, absolutely Right. What do you think What's up with all this direction On all the auditions being the same Not an announcer. You're talking to your best friend uh so Confusing I think the direction is we'll know it when we hear it. Yeah. Yeah, really. That's it because And people call me and they want me to direct but based on that direction It's almost meaningless. Right. So I don't know if it's that the directors and and People in the industry are that much younger and they've heard all those catchphrases not an oustery and you're talking to your best friend And that's not necessarily bad direction, but Every Every audition comes in with the same the same thing. So there's like a trend of misdirection going on or non-direction or generic direction Right. So who's booking all this stuff then? Clearly jordan is Yeah, he can't make it No, I think I think just I think there's a new generation of of uh producers and copywriters and stuff coming in Like they're getting to the level to where they can Make decisions Yeah, make make decisions beyond just writing the copy if they're like they get to direct and and pick the voice talent and direct it I just said that twice anyways But I think what's happening is they're You know, I can relate because I come from that generation the millennials And they're impatient. I don't relate to a lot of millennial stuff Especially this but they're like they kind of see they just they want it. Like I said, they want it quick They want it They don't it's just they don't want it spent There's if there's too many things in in the chain of command to get what they need done It bothers them. They're used to uber like everything is on demand the app, right? Yeah, everything's on demand Yeah, so I think that's coming into play and so they don't they have these bland specs and even bland copy Let's face it. There's some pretty bland copy where there's they write, you know, like all the The scripts are like, what about this? Have you thought about this? Oh, how about that or this? You know all those commercials were like it's very difficult for his voice talent to do that because we have no context The demo scripts are better than what's really out. Absolutely do it. I know always So I think that's what writers. Yeah, I think that's not too. Excuse it. I think that's what's happening and so The only way to cater to that as a talent is just to really be like you just interpret it the best you can And be your best self don't try to be exactly like non-announcer and clean just try to Just bring your authentic self bring your own opinion to it because I think they're liking more opinionated reads Yeah, then just yeah safe reads cliff well, I agree with jordan, you know and Voice artist, you know, we use that word artist. Let's not throw that away You know, it's the artist in you and the artist in the in the reader to to know the script to pick up the script The clues in the script Count how many exclamation points there are, you know Um, I think that that you're right that there is a new generation and what that new generation is a new year and It's calmer. It's it's it's better. Actually. I mean this is coming from a guy that's been doing automotive for 24 years So, you know, I love the 80s. I love the 90s, man. I love that slammin stuff and but you know what? I don't know how really how effective it is anymore I think people just want to just want the facts and and the fact that like jordan said earlier uber's right there Everything is an app. Everything is one click away I want my price one click away. I want my payments one click away. So I don't know what the hell that has to do with what we're talking about, but it's just simpler, you know, and And as far as the conversational read, yeah, it really is. We'll know when we hear clients tell me all the time Well, we'll know it when we hear it Here's another thing. I've noticed is that the good talent out there are getting better And they're getting better quicker and they're getting really really good those that want an instant and those that you know We're going online asking for free advice and how do I do this and what's the best this and what's the best that Which is actually a great list of just basically every product ever made that Phone or a microphone or you know, I mean you've got the list you got 400 comments right there But those that are really working it and really understanding, you know All the new challenges and all the new advantages that voiceover Is giving everybody not just east and the west coast but right in the center of the country as well And those that are doing it are getting really Good so Keep it up man. Just keep doing whatever would all you guys out there are doing just practice record and read and train The other aspect of instant gratification is now nothing against source connect because I think it's a great thing But if you don't have it, uh, you know, there's nothing wrong except for the non instant gratification Cliff and I used to you know, whether whether they had is dn or whatever You would so you'd send it, you know email it in a You know in a we transfer or something you you really can't wait Until I put my high pass filter over the whole thing and send it You really want my noise my crappy noise floor and what you know, whatever so, um I don't know. I think I and Source connect now. I think is is good enough. It's certainly better than a phone patch And and we were used to a phone patch used to be good. We just want to hear the read We don't you don't have to hear the quality You know Yeah, I mean it Go ahead click a big trend right now that i'm seeing more and more and Roy and I and those of us on the engineering side have known about it for a long time But a lot of you guys are using or x7 Just download I want to buy stock and in isotope man because I'll tell you they're they're year last year Just for vo alone, but there's some great stuff in there. So, um, You know, it can help and I think that's a great trend. I think that that Simple yet effective and and high quality plugins can really help you guys if if if you do uncle Roy first Or damn Or Jordan first if you actually do technical stuff But you know getting all that stuff done to where you're doing your day-to-day reading editing shipping read edit ship Our x7 is awesome. I'm sure you guys get those mouth clicks out. Yeah Yeah, I'm always of the belief that you do everything you can Physically yeah to get your recording space right and your read right and you know your mouth noise, right? So you don't have to do all this stuff that you don't understand and then have to spend a year learning how to do it properly That's so old school, man Because I am old school because I'm old preparation Plug in for that one eels don't prepare down Every audio file needs help one way or another. I've been Thousand years to doing this you all sending me mp3s and waves and aif's and all that stuff There's always something why in the hell are we still using? mp3 Really you can send a big file now. It's as opposed to a wave Or any new verb is much better Man people are used to it well ac 128 so mp3 and mono 128 we all use it. Yeah, that's fine, right? AC 128 is like a huge step in quality. Yeah, and everybody's software can use it, but we're stuck on A 15. No, this is mp3. It's called mp2 layer 3 Right. I remember testing it on my pc in 1992 virginia tech Where you'd have to go to lunch and come back to encode one song Did you like it? I mean would were you impressed? Well, it was it was neat that it was smaller and now I could actually fit a song on a floppy disk It's you know, we've just been using it for so long. You know what I could go the rest of my career without ever making another mp3 again Yeah, I mean If there's still an email attaching issue, which is another rant about people's attaching files to emails But whatever it works. It's easy. So it needs there needs to be a friction free way of Yeah Without your five and a half inch Yeah, it's adaptive what else you want. Yeah, you got any reel-to-reel I've got a reel-to-reel. I got reel-to-reel. I've got any Hang on. There we go Always with an arms reach my friend. He barely had to stand up. Cliff's going back into his closet I want to see some oh, you know what cliff? I want to see some two inch Oh Never mind. I have a giant anvil case of floppy disks. Okay. Now. I wanted to see two inch I'll bring up the two inch when we take a break. All right, okay What are we talking about anyway? Well, the next brand was Trends. Yeah, he's no good. Yeah, and I and I and I really wanted to talk about What are the technical trends that we're seeing? I mean because now cliff you mentioned rx7 and I you know, I find that most software especially open adobe audition has everything you could possibly need In order to send a file out not if you're extra clicky Not if you're extra clicky You can you can auto heal, uh, you know spot things but uh To put it over if you're doing audiobooks and you're Medium clicky Friend of mine used to she said I I spent all day editing. I maybe I could do three chapters She sent I said send me a chapter two and a half minutes. She had her life back So let me let me ask this a well-known demo producer that we all know Told me that he leaves that thing the rx7 mouth de click in its default settings pure And doesn't touch any of them and says it's perfect Can we talk about that? What do you guys have to say about that? Oh, I got an opinion on that. Go for it. Okay Okay, you know clicks coming off frequencies and lengths. Yeah, it needs it needs to be it needs to be zeroed in on Now, okay, if we're just talking auditions, that's a good starting point Yeah, so it starts at the uh, it's there's a there's a Low frequency and high frequency selector right bias thing. We can say tilt it towards the low Yeah, so it's like a towards the high or a yeah I'm I can't do it perfectly, but you know, so there's the higher clicks lower clicks You have that one and then you have another one which is the strength the default strength is 4.0 And I hear a lot of talent use it And it's fine for auditions. Okay. It's just an audition But I'm hearing people do that for a lot of their final audio And in my opinion and I know I have more sensitive ears and we all do But you hear it it too often more often than not it's softening the peas It's taking that attack off of a a pea not a plosive Just like There's like a nice sharpness to a pea like that kiss sound if you will Turns into a bee almost Yes, and then teas even get a little too soft and so and bees just get mushed not all of them But it happens pretty often. Yeah on multiple voices I'm not just saying mine because I've added a lot of vo and different boos And so that's just one thing to be aware of talent like if you're the 4.0 setting Can be a little too aggressive in my opinion if you're like two and a half, maybe Yeah, I do everything in two and a half. I start there put that on everything and it rarely is too much So that's my two cents do it till you hear it and then back it down Yeah, yeah, so and I'm talking like not for auditions Whatever 4.0 is fine But if you're if you're de-clicking some stuff you send to a client 4.0 might be a little aggressive and it's pretty good engineer. They're gonna hear it. All right Is the mouth click absolutely worth it over the regular de-click? Well, yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, I think very specific So people people got crazy and bought elements and you can put the same settings into elements But it's not the same Yeah, that the the generic de-click was oh, I have some vinyl and I'm transferring it It's got some clicks. It'll take the yeah. Yeah. That's what it was made for sure Now what what I'm hearing now people send me audio all the time and You know and I immediately within two seconds. It's like they're using rx7 or they're using a General a noise reduction program and and they've turned it way up And it's you're losing the entire top end And things are cutting out and they're like well so-and-so told me to do that We won't mention so-and-so's name, but we know There are several of those so-and-so's and then that's so-and-so None of them are sitting in this room or online with us right now, but Of course they're not I mean It's guys that get audio because you know right because you know, you're you're producing stuff and cliff you're producing stuff And you're getting stuff online from people I mean, what do you tell them? I know what I tell them It's like, you know, yeah, doctor when it hurts, you know, I when I do this I'm like, well, don't do that You know, it's Pretty simple actually, but I think there's a there's a high level of miseducation misinformation And hype about a lot of these programs Why use them if you don't know how? And they are not the end all You know one-size-fits-all solution Everybody likes to experiment if you go into adobe audition and you dial up the compressor That's the tube compressor, which I love but you put it where it says voice over Yeah, you know, it's like it's like the threshold is minus 16 and eight to one ratio. It's ridiculous You have to know what you're doing You know all of this stuff. Yeah all of this stuff. They are all tools You know and it's and if you have it in your tool chest and I'm gonna say something right now I have a chaotic eyeball Some people love it. Some people great volleyball It's sitting over there in the corner. If I ever need it I use it. It's a tool rx7 all this stuff ds just the clickers Compressors, you know, they're tools that got to be no, you know, you gotta know how to use this stuff Otherwise you get stuff that sounds like this. Well, you brought it up So when do you use when is a good scenario? I have one. I have my thought on it But what is one really good use case for a chaotic eyeball? I When I'm in a room that's just incredibly echoey And I can get the voice to go right up to it. I'm using a microphone. That's directional Um, I have I have audio that I've done for X sessions in vio Atlanta with it and without it It's unbelievable. It's day and night difference Um, but I'm using it in a not the best situation Yeah, it's a band though. Obviously when obviously when we work, we want to be in the best situation that we can be in And then we don't use it But I'll tell you I'd rather have it than not have it Well, I have clients that send me samples all the time where they've got the chaotica or the reflexion Filter or whatever it is and then they're in their walk-in closet with all the clothes So the first thing I do is they take that thing off the mic. Yeah, it's not right. It's not an everyday. Wow, right Yeah, and if you want one if you really want one, all you have to do is go to a voiceover conference Eventually, you're going to win one. That's how I got mine I'm thinking there's a It's it's just it's just George and I George and I were at the uh nab show when it first came out And you know the video they had was pretty impressive the guy singing in an echoey thing and then singing with the eyeball Yes, actually in new york. Yes. Yeah, uh, I remember I do remember All right, well We'll be right back with with uncle roy too much. Jordan. Yes, right And uh, we're gonna take a break and talk to some of our sponsors here And we'll be back with your questions and our questions right after this This is the latin lover narrator from jane the virgin anthony mendez and you're enjoying dan and george on The voice of our body shop Well, hello there I bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voice announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat. Were you? 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I would think yeah about 400 bucks Let's align the bias come on Oh, I have no problem I'd probably still be working in a studio in philly if I knew I would align a tape machine when I Magnetic reference laboratory catalog number j 215 687 30 inches per second you never had to Get a big bulk eraser I wanted to be mr. M. R. L. I wanted I wanted that kid. You wanted to be that guy 200 nano track recording with no compensation Is that like the customer service? What are you so much for decorum? You guys Anyway Yes, it's commercial No, no we're live right now. This is actually the show now. Yes. This is the fun part of the show Yeah, we've got uncle rye. We have cliff zelman and uh, jordan runnels here with us and voice over body shop and we are talking about Voice over audio, which is yong gotta master, which is why you watch the show every week But these are these are the four guys here that really know their stuff Well, I know a thing or two too, but anyway, you learn things. Yeah Let let let me ask you this guys and throw this up because again as we get a lot of audio from people What are the biggest mistakes that people make? And I I would tend to lead off with that with they use way too much stuff cliff, what do you think? Well It's a lot of mistakes to be made I mean, what do you in general low level? Yeah, well, let me let's come in it at at minus 20, you know, yeah Yeah, but if you record a 32 bit, does it matter not really good? I don't know who knows what 32 bit is Recording too low Bad uh mic technique Yeah Bad environment I know, you know, danny and uh, you guys will talk about that But really to me the main thing that I get that that I would just like a little more gain, you know, give me minus five What should be the peak now? We've set the standard We actually set the standard for the industry here. Yeah, we tried. Well, we tried now, you know, whether, you know, everybody agrees with it or not is A whole other deal. Yeah, let's let's each of us say what our standard is All right, so what what's the standard for modulation when you're recording and I and I'm of the belief that you know You shouldn't it shouldn't have a lot of hot peaks that you should be Consistently trying to peak between say minus six and minus four Perfect sold. Yeah, take it. Thank you very much. That's all for tonight I tell them between minus six and minus nine with an occasional minus three if it goes over a little bit That's what we're gonna do with fix it later You know, depending upon the material and and what what the final mix is gonna be, you know, sometimes good to have a It's also it also has to do with your uh with your Performance technique We get a lot of files. The first syllable is hot and the whole rest is down That's unprofessional. It builds up the first syllable blasts out and then everybody's the same. Yeah, that reeks of amateur I mean, it does it's it's yeah when I get a file and I see that I know that they're they haven't been at this that long, you know I know for a fact that it's the audiophile sent to me from the general manager of the dealership It goes down to nothing Yeah You know, you're ramping up. You're doing volume gain. You're doing click game, you know Right. Let me ask you this. So so peaks between minus six minus three whatever minus four Yeah, does a clip it does a clip matter if you can't hear it? No. Yes in the wood I'll give us a shit Yeah, we've got the ability to eliminate clips and not others. Yeah, but if you can't hear it you can't hear it if it's not audible Like you can have clips that are you know what 30 hertz we can't hear it, but it's chewing up our stereo bus It's chewing up, you know a lot of headroom and stuff. I yeah, no clips I don't mean I don't like them right. I mean I don't frame people not no clips But what if so what if you record with peaks at say minus 12 to minus 20? and record in 24 bit and then normalize to minus three Okay, that depends on your room Kick it up. You got it because I mean am I bringing up noise floor? I'm not bringing it up and the misconception is well when I bring up the game the no the the noise floor comes up No, shit And the same thing happens. I know I love that one I get files from some of the levels that like peak at minus 20 and they're like But if I turn it up the noise gets louder, I'm like, exactly Everything down the road. We're gonna have to turn that up. I know Yeah, I've been using a lot of photography as an analogy the last few months Makeup and photography both because most people make a book to get that. Thank you Um, but I've been using that as an analogy because I think most people can identify that With that better than with audio Terminology and audio things I've been talking about with mic placement having it be in focus You know when it when the camera is not quite in focus you notice it You know the eyes aren't if the eyes aren't focused everybody hates that Like the eyes have to be sharp and I think of mic placement that way and then you know And then the makeup thing is the processing You know People say like if you don't if you show up at the makeup chair in the morning for the movie with makeup on They're gonna hate you and that's the job They don't want the processing on the on the file for the job But sometimes they say will you please show up makeup ready, you know or camera ready And you better have that the right processing on it and sometimes they don't know any better So you better show up makeup or camera ready or you're screwed because it's gonna be a terrible Yeah, so that's been my little goofy analogy and I think people that's great. I think that's neat. I like that Yeah, yeah So When do you use processing? I mean, I know what I do Yeah, well again, if you don't know what something does I generally tell people don't use it Or if you can't hear what it does or if you can't say add something and you don't even know what happened You better undo it. Yeah, because somebody else probably gonna hear what the hell do you just did to it and even more importantly Why would you do something? I think I find a lot of people just like well I was told that you got to use compression. You got to use this You got to use noise reduction and I'm like But you're you're in a class two weeks two weeks ago last week on the tech talk That was a prime example of the guy did everything on the acoustic side the soundproofing He really did a huge amount of work to get it and then he layered on two double-helping heapens of noise reduction Decimated the odd. I mean it was terrible And it was just a prime example of you know people using the tools because either someone said you should Or they just have a youtube video. I bought the things. I'm gonna use them, you know It's building the lily Yeah, exactly Well, why don't we why don't we take an audience question while we while we have some time here and we've got one from Who is that my my pocket is doing weird things now, uh, I'm not looking We had a yeah, we had a question. Yeah, we had a we had a question from Justin brown Hey, buddy I've noticed that the normal position for a 416 seems to be in a downward 45 degree ish Angle is there any reason I can't or shouldn't be angling it up? asking for a friend Well played Can I maybe go for it? Your 416 is floating. Yes. I got an idea. I think I have the tip of 416 right here in the frame on a 90 degree This is actually in like boom-op position, which means that it's literally straight down This is video and there's for a good reason Well, first it's video one and two I want to be able to do this And still sound like I'm just turning for you listening to the bread for those listening I've literally just turned like almost 180 degrees. I'm facing to my left at Jordan And now I'm facing all the way to the right and I still sound on mic Normally with a shotgun mic if you pointed it at an angle as soon as you do this you're off You're on access. So it's a whole different world, right? But for a voiceover I think the reason you don't point it up is because of the things you don't want it to hear right Like you're not whistling Also when you're reading and you've got your copy in front of you Yeah, obviously the copy is below eye level your head is downward right have like this So so, you know, you're angled going forward if you're going to read up like this Yeah, you can do that You know if you're going to be reading off of the ceiling, but I think that if your your head's going to be down Have it, you know play with it work around see what sounds or even at eye level Yeah, yeah, right right about here Yeah We're even side addressing a little bit too I mean mera, mera, I think she does almost like a 90 degree angle right on the side Oh, she comes in like this. Yeah, like a little not not as aggressive as cliffs, but it's more Yeah, even because almost a little bit straighter sometimes. Yeah, right about that because the plosives then go out front Yep, you know, that's a big help Let's see. Yeah, remember those plosives are like a remember the do you remember the toys that you could buy as a kid? That was an air ball error It was a total air plaster. Yeah, and you pull the plunger and then you squeeze it and it would shoot a ball of air across the row You can make little sisters hair goals Like that. It was freaking hilarious 430,000 children Dislodge their uh ear drums with They'd hold it up to their ear. They'd push it. I mean, are you saying they don't make it anymore? That lawn darts I like a brilliant idea. Well, yeah Okay, so that happened, but the ball of air goes straight down. That's what happens with the plosives. So if the mic isn't in the pop zone You're you're good. Yeah most now Cliff. I noticed you have the legendary windscreen on your 416 there Is it windy in your your studio or? Um, no, I got a kitty cat. Oh, okay I try to keep it clean. Good. I'm not I'm not I'm not voicing anything you guys. You all know that I have my 416 for image and it sounds good and I talk to you one and I love and I got all No, um, but you know check one two check one two. Hello. Hello sounds pretty much the same Yeah, you know, I just check one two I just keep it on there to keep it clean because it's always out and always on Yeah, um You'll know about every people that are watching when it comes to plosives if you've got a side address condenser microphone Here's your capsule. You can see it through the grid. Take a pen or pencil Tape it right in the middle on the outside Above and below if this was Get a big capsule here and when you speak The wind hits the Pan or pencil goes left and right dissipate and you can cut down dissipation and cut your plosives by 80 percent So if you're doing, you know, if you got a little bit of plosives, they'll be completely gone So capsule right here lay it right on the on the side of the body Tape above tape below right in the middle of the capsule. Give it a shot. It's amazing Well, I'm gonna be that guy. So if that works so well, why don't all the mics have that just built in like a feature We did it in la when we were recording the best sounding vocals you could possibly imagine. Yeah, that's interesting I've heard the best microphones that we've only seen in pictures I love it. Give it a shot if you've got an 87 if you've got a c12. It's got a 414 You mean that would actually make a 87 sound good? That sounds like a good idea Well, what it will do is it'll eliminate your plosives. I'm not pulling any punches I don't like the 87 all that much to be honest. You know what? It's great for overhead violin Maybe because I haven't heard like really good studios. It's a little hard. Yeah, a lot of bad studios. Yeah, great mics though Yeah, let me ask you about mics Because the number one question we all get in our email at least once a week or we see on facebook or in one of the One of the forums is what's the best mic and you recommend it now We sort of mentioned this earlier on that people are always like, you know writing to us and and they want free advice What makes a good voiceover microphone? I mean I got a 416. You got a 416 You got a 416. You got a 416 left as one. I got a 416 over over here. You get a 416 you get a 416 Got one overrated It is Is it your only microphone? Yeah, Jordan. Oh, no, what? I know for a fact that he's got some others I got right now. No, no, I use it. No, I have a lot Of course not not as many as I want but I think the microphone that sounds familiar You know something that sounds familiar sounds like something we hear on the radio something that sounds like you You know something that's not tinny and boxy and Something that has nice transparency good dynamics can handle proximity effect and sounds like you You know no color at least amount of possible, right? But a lot of mics Have a lot of color How can you tell I mean there are a lot of people will go into say, you know into banjo and porium and they're like Oh, that's just a bunch of mics Well, what what good is that gonna do because you don't record at banjo and porium? You're in your closet or something So how do you how do you find a good mic? I mean if you're going like if a lot of people are conferences and they're like the mic manufacturers are there and you put your headphones on Oh, I love the way this one sounds Like I you know, you're also listening to like a two thousand dollar autosie headphones Right or all this stuff and a tube mic preamp. Yeah, exactly. Yeah Well, you know and that adds another problem because um, I've been going kind of through a headphone spree right now And I can I don't I still don't have an ultimate favorite And I would argue that headphones are way more colored than microphones. Like if you put a u87 next to a Have you seen these yet? No, I'm trying to look for the logo Nura is that the brand? Yeah, okay. Look at this. What the oh cool. It goes in here and a cover. Okay Nice, but the problem like it's just going to make your life worse. Yeah I don't know the only reason I brought these black fridays over so That's that's the black friday problem Anyway, but the problem is is not to like make it more dreadful for people But headphones have I argue are way more colored sounding than a back-to-back mic Like if you took a u87 versus a 416 you played them back-to-back same recording on audio technica m50 hx's Those are the really popular ones. It's nice to you. You play them on those versus the $500 Neumann's They sound totally different by the way. They probably will sound good But the Neumanns have a big scoop in the mid-range And then the the audio technicas have a big boost in the low end. So it's made sounds all resonant and big But it's pretty the really dramatic changes between headphones. So it's like way more creative license And how to make a my headphone sound. Yeah than microphones. So there's software I use for it. It's called sonar works Oh, I use it. It's like my religion, but that's that's next level stuff as far as like You don't need it for voiceover. But right, but it's nice to have that because you can hear it. It flattens out those Differentiations between headphones so you can hear how it's supposed to sound right and um, but microphones I would argue they don't vary as much as headphones do So just just be aware of that if you're listening to a lot of samples through one pair headphones If you have multiple pairs just throw on like all you know at the same time But switch between those headphones and try to hear the differences and note those differences If you're doing your own mic shoot out in your own studio, wouldn't it be better though? To record with it so you can hear it back on your studio monitors, especially if you're sure I mean you got good studio monitors in a good room. Most people don't oh well, but we teach people how to do that. Oh, okay That's that's the point of the show, you know, you got if you're gonna use studio monitors You can't have a reflective wall behind you that sort of thing but uh, but if you're using headphones Doing it in a store is not going to do it. You've got you've got to do it in the environment in which you record Yeah, and i'm mainly talking about like when you're at home if you don't I just know most talent I know don't have a control room with acoustic panels and stuff with speakers Monitors they have their one pair headphones that they do all their work on recording and editing So that's why I brought that up just be aware of that if you have like two pairs Just throw both on when you're doing your your shoot out at home Right so you can get another flavor another sound to compare. Yeah, so any thoughts right? One of the crappy ways to buy a mic is to go to bnh in new york city Because the room terrible is one wall is all mirrors And the other is glass They put the mirrors, you know, it's for security. So people don't go walking out with the microphone It's for you can see what you look like. Yeah, it's for security slash It's a show ego and they want you to look in and go Look at me on a 416 now I look better on a 416 than I do on an 87 A lot of selfies going on in that room Lots of duck faces. Yeah And I just say that not everybody needs a 416 Agreed and someday I'll say this to Joseph Riano to his face, but it's like On long format. I don't need Joseph Riano yelling at me for an hour. Right, right I mean that would I don't respect. Yeah, total respect. Yeah, absolutely Well, all right. 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