 Welcome to Toffee TV. It is the 1878 FM podcast. It is three of us again today. We are in the process of working something out out with the Bushmaster general. I can't say Mr Vitty won't ring him before the end of the show that anything could happen. Anything could happen. What was really interesting last week Dave was in our group chat after it, he said I thought Dave was crying when he rang me. Yeah, I didn't understand that. Do you know what it was? I think because I was laughing. You were laughing, weren't you? I was laughing and I think he took that as me being potentially upset. I mean, I was certainly full and bouncy with emotion, but it's a happy way, not a sad way because he did, providers with a full stop, as it were, for what was a bit of a ramble, but I think it all came out in the end. I like to think that on the hands of the phone because you thought Dave was on who wants to be a millionaire and thought he was the friend. That's the way I like to think about it. What would Dave be phoneing Andy? What records like DJ and stuff? Do you know what, if I had a question on the Happy Mondays, for example, because he is encyclopedic on that. In fact, he did a documentary, I think, recently on the Happy Mondays. Now, I like the Happy Mondays and I think most people like the Happy Mondays, but not to the point that I would study them, whereas he's done that. So I think if that was a question for me, then he would be a phone, a friend, or if they were asking something like, how many different decade stations there's absolute radio currently have, then he would be my person to go. Do you think he just got into that because he realised that Mondays generally aren't happy after having played at the weekend? Maybe. Maybe. I just thought I want to be happy on a Monday. Maybe that's why I like New Order. Maybe. Maybe. If you can work that out. Come back, if you can work that out. I've got it, but that's because we're men of a certain age, isn't it? That's it. That is it. No, it's just going to ask Dave. Dave has seen behind the curtain in many aspects, especially the sound. Very clean. Do you know, remember, when that first started, two months ago, he found a friend. Everyone used to say that the friend was just locked in a room and was in the studio somewhere. Dave, you've seen it all. You've done it all. Can you shed any light on this? Would that person just be at home chilling out watching EastEnders or are they locked away in a room somewhere? I don't know how it used to work, but I do know that now, when you watch the latest episodes with Mr. Clarkson, and that's why I haven't, although not for very long. When you watch those, they now actually say, okay, so I'm talking to Barry. Yeah, Barry, can you just confirm that you have one of our team there from the show? So they've obviously got somebody with them all night who is making sure that they're not just going to go on to Google and just get the answer that way. But even that, Dave, even that's mad, is that a case of like you bring three people with you and you're all sitting in a room and you choose or do they have to send three people to their house? I've never thought about that before, but yeah, if I was on there and I had nominated you and Ped and Bush, for sake of example. You're not going to say because that can't be real, but go on, yeah. But you know, but if I did, then theoretically, they would then have to send three members of the who wants to be a millionaire team to go and sit in your respective houses during the recording of that show, just in case you were called upon. And if you weren't called upon and there's every chance that you wouldn't have been called upon. No, no disrespect. But if you weren't, then that person will have just sat there in your house for three hours, eating your biscuits and drinking your tea. Using the electricity. And then, and then leaving. Interesting. What a gig. It's a cool gig. Tell you what, I mean, it's almost as good as the reserve of I'm a celebrity gig, which you talked about before. We have spent three weeks or whatever lying in the Sun at the Versace Hotel in in Queensland. That's a good one. Oh, the Richard Ryke gig in Man City, where he was like eight years old, he got to where the track he was ten grand a week done off on that. That's the thing, you know, isn't it? And that is now Scott Carson. Scott Carson, yeah. That's, I mean, that's a great gig. Honestly, that's the best gig in sport, isn't it? It's the gig you want. Being a second or third string keeper somewhere at a big club. Yeah. Because wasn't, you know, wasn't Shea given in that situation for a while at City? Wasn't he there, kind of like towards the end of his playing days, wasn't he there, sat there as a really good safe pair of hands options. And obviously he was on good money because, you know, because he was a well established player and he'd obviously got good money at Newcastle. But then you can then sit there knowing that realistically, you're never going to play unless there's an issue. But you're sitting there on whatever, 90, 100 grand a week. But he was number one though, wasn't he? For a bit. So he was dropped. No, but latterly. Yeah. Yankee Poverts had the best gig. Yeah. Yankee Poverts, who's just left Everton at the Guggy. Yeah. He came in to be Andy Lonergan's replacement. Andy Lonergan has been here for 16 years, never kicked the ball for us. And Yankee Poverts coming for three months, got away with the track using and all that kind of thing. And he's gone to LAF. He's got to move to LAF three out of it. What is going on? You know what? I remember seeing this on Italian 40 years ago and he'd done a feature on this, the AC Milan third choice goalkeeper. And he never played the game. I remember that, yeah. And he was saying, it's great, I've got no pressure. And he walks around the tree, walks around Milan in his track, he plays for AC Milan, never plays a game, was on good money. And he was just like, is this the best job in the world? Yeah, what a gig. He had nothing. He just went in for a bit of training. Can you, I mean, you know, it's one thing, the fact that we, you know, we all discuss this over a pint from time to time. Just that whole thing about the fact that, can you imagine earning and forget about what the top boys are earning? Yeah. But for sake of round figures, can you imagine earning a hundred grand a week in any capacity, right? But then when you're earning a hundred grand a week, as you rightly say, and you don't have to play, all you have to do is take part in training between 11 and 12 or something. And then you have your lunch at your nice fancy training ground, and then you go home and you might go and have a swim, or you might play golf, or you might play tennis, or you go and do the school run and pick the kids up, or you might go out on your bike, or, or whatever, a hundred grand a week. Imagine doing it for 10 grand a week, or 20, 30, 40, that's your life. Go in a nice fancy car, got your track on, everything's done for, I feel like I'm a bit tight today, get a rub, go on to training. Model wife in your Mock Tudor mansion. You know, it's unbelievable. We're not talking about basic, come on. Yeah. Incredible. It is a good life. Let's just, let's just do five minutes on everything very quickly before we get on to all this stuff. But Dave, your, your visions in, in December were so accurate. We're back probably early in December to be fair, was so accurate. You're, you know, you, you went full Joseph in the technical dream, cope with your dreams there. You could see barren times in the January. Was that the bad guy in? I didn't, didn't know. But, hello, I'm barren times, yeah, barren times, yeah, in the pants of mine, which I'm sure Dave will have been in. Well, that's Dave Riff, he's behind you. Barren times! But, Twitter is what's that. I don't know, I don't know, that was funny. But, but it, it was your, the, the prophecy, but you said came true ever. And we're scrambling around on deadline, Dave, for the last hours, seemingly phoning everybody. And eventually ended the window, weaker than what he started it, which, even when we were being as negative as, as, you know, we thought was, was a logical, negative, negative level was even worse than what we thought. I mean, I'm known for being negative, and I, I make no bones about it. Negativeity, that's what, that's what the thing gives you. Yeah, I mean, I can be quite negative at times. Or realistic, Dave, maybe? Realistically, maybe, yeah. But, even the way that I forecast it might turn out, it was bleaker than that. I mean, I thought we'd get something. Yeah, yeah. Something, but we ended up with nothing. And it was the most depressing transfer deadline day I've ever experienced. Yeah. And that whole thing of Dice leaving Finch Farm, and then nothing but just banners left there, and no sign of anybody. And, you know, weirdly, actually, as the, as the clock was running down, and I could see that there was 60, 60 seconds left. And I thought, I wonder, I wonder, will there just be a break? Will there be a breaking news thing? And then I saw the clock go, and 30 to 20 to 10, 9, 8. I just thought, no, it's just, that's it. And we've ended up with nothing. And as you say, a significantly weaker squad than we had last year. Our only attacking options, as stand at the moment, are DCL and Mope, which leaves us with Dominic Calvert-Lewith, essentially. And we know that we can't rely upon this. I was thinking earlier on, like, how weird and even more, I mean, who could have imagined how disastrous this was 12 months ago, or nearly 12 months ago? And by that I mean, it was the 19th of May, when we beat Crystal Palace 3-2 to secure our status in the top flight. And at that point, I think we all felt that a huge weight had been lifted. Thank God that happened, right? Because it means that we're going to be in the top flight again next season. And we will never be in this situation again. Let's be forget as well that a month earlier, Sean Dye should been dismissed by Burnley, which all came as a shock to everybody, and Burnley were heading for relegation. They put up a decent fight of it towards the end, but ultimately they went down. Who could have ever thought then that the next season, Burnley are flying in the championship, and are going to go straight up again. We're heading for relegation. We have a significantly weakened squad, and we have now appointed that manager who was deemed not good enough for Burnley at the time. I mean, you know, it is, it is, it is bizarre. I mean, Sean Dye, obviously, you know, we'll all get behind him, and he did a good job at Burnley with not much money, but it is mad to think that that's what's happened. I mean, imagine just going back two years, in two seasons. It's not that long, really. And we're third in the Premier League, Champions League is on. For I'm not saying we thought we'd get it, but we're well in the race. We're in, we're third coming into February. Who'd have said, imagine, in just two short years, you'll have had Rafa Benitez as your manager, Frank Lampard. You'll be on to Sean Dye, and for the second season running, you're up against it to stay up in the Premier League. It is, it is, like, when you say it like that, if you come away from the situation, it's not hard. Is it to look, if you, you know, if you look back, you know, with a little bit of distance and look back at trajectories of managers and trajectories of players leaving and then coming, the new ones coming in, it's steady. Football's not that hard. We can talk all day about that, like there's a football and the ins and outs of ownership and FFP, but it's, it ain't that hard. They say, if you replace good people with bad people, this is what happens, you replace a Carlo Ancelotti and then within two managers, you're on to Sean Dye. And don't get me wrong, I actually personally think Sean Dye is better than Frank Lampard and Rafa Benitez. So I'm not massively down on that. But if you look at the players, it's not massively hard. It's not rocket science. Don't need a genius. And everything just needs to, they need some adults. They need to let the adults start running the place rather than a one man. Definitely need to let the adults start running the place. Listen, reading, just to be serious for a moment, and I've give the boys at the athletic a little bit of a kick them recently, but there was an article yesterday that they done and it was really good chat in the day and the month. And it's, to read it, sounds like you were, it sounds like a film star on Brad Pitt and probably George Clooney and how they are, like it's like Brewster's Millions essentially. It's like the modern Brewster's Millions, where you're just trying your best to get everything wrong on purpose. For whatever reason, I don't know why they'd be doing that. But that's what it sounds like and they've done it. They've done it like so fair play to them for getting it so spectacularly wrong. They've done well. They've done really, really well. They've done well to try and blow it all up. Yeah, brilliant stuff. And people are leaving and other people might be walking out the door. It's getting, it is, it's on fire at the moment and something needs to happen. Let's hope that this American investment, which is bubbling around, let's hope that that year series come in and change the whole board and the owner. But the problem with that though is that as we've discussed many times on here, this isn't a quick fix. Is that the only fix to actually make this better is wholesale change. Mm-hmm. Everything needs to go. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Machiri is saying that the club in its entirety is not for sale, which I believe he is saying, which was to quash press reports that indicated the opposite, if he's now saying that he is seeking investment from this American sports conglomerate, whatever you want to call it, that is still going to give him the majority share, is it not in terms of control and therefore why should we expect any kind of change from what we see at the minute if further money is injected? No, that's a fair comment. I think this, I mean, let's be honest though, these are like a venture capital group, really. So everyone they got involved in, they have significant say with as well, even if it's a small share. That's how they work. So he would, I think it'd be a place on the board for someone, but my hope is that he is seduced by the money as in once they get in and they start saying, this isn't going to work if we do this, let us take it all, let us buy it off, and that's what I'm hoping. I see it as if these people did get in and looking at who they are and we have done a little bit of research on this and what they're doing. And one of the guys, the guy was like, good to see him ironically, when the board never turned up, they are, he's about to partly sell the Phoenix Suns for four billion. He's not the owner, he's an investor, so he's going to get a large chunk of that. And the other guys, one of the guys has been involved in sports agents for years. In fact, he was part of Jerry McGuire. He was a technical supporter. Jerry McGuire, Jerry McGuire. So these are people who've got some who know what they're doing. And I think if they get it, if they get like a little, if they get chairs and they help build the, finish off the stadium and they get on the board and then they start throwing their weight around because it wouldn't be that hard to throw your weight around. I don't think on our board. Then I think, I think maybe what would happen then is machine would get seduced by somebody else picking up the slack that maybe he feels he's got to pick up. And then what will happen is then maybe it'll be a slow one where he either sells to these people or they you know, flipping and help him sell it. So, but there's got to be fresh voices on there. He would put it this way. You come in with money and you've got that experience. He is more likely to listen to you than he is to board immediately. So you're one up aren't you? You're one up because you've got a sharehold. You're more powerful than what the members of the board are. Yeah. And you've got his ear and their experience. That's the biggest thing. It isn't just money. Most attractive bit of it, Dave Shorrier, is that they have got experience in sports. Yeah, and potentially influencing there. I mean, I suppose, you know, who thought that we'd be saying this, you know, 12 months on from when Newcastle were looking like, you know, they were going to be the richest club to get relegated. And also, who would have put money on the fact that Eddie Howe would have done such a good job there. But almost the Newcastle model is what exactly what we need in terms of the fact that they had new ownership and they came in and you said this before and they completely got rid of everything. All of those people all gone. All of our own people instated and wholesale change. We have the money. We're going to buy who we want. We're going to get rid of Steve Bruce. We're going to install our own manager, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it's worked wonders. I mean, it's incredible what's happened there. And it's not it's not that hard either again when you look at the flip side from what we've been talking about how you get from where we were to where we are. But I don't think it's that hard to get from where they were to where they are now when you do like you've just said. And also they brought in the director of football who's like the best in the game in this country or seen as the best in this game. They brought him in and they brought better players in than they had. And you know, good, honest pros. I mean, you only have to listen and you only have to listen to one of the show and buy podcasts. I think it might be which is the latest one. Sorry. The Humphreys, what Jake Humphreys one. Oh, the hype. Yeah, yeah. And he's he's talking. You know, he's talking up the new castle fullback. That name escapes me because I'm trippy. He's talking up him loads and loads and loads. Well, that was their first signing. That was literally their first signing, wasn't it? At Newcastle. He's a good player. I don't know about him. But not only is he a good player, but clearly he's a leader and clearly has a massive influence and he sets standards and he's one of those kind of guys. Almost like I don't know like a James Milner at Liverpool or a Gareth Barry at Everton. One of those kind of guys to set the standard. He's the first in the door. He starts changing the atmosphere of the way things are and everything everything goes from there and you've got good people. Dan Ashworth behind the scenes. Eddie Howe, decent coach and they're doing things just in the right way and yet they're probably way ahead of schedule. But they've got that bounce now and the crowd, the crowd are on it and they're attracting, you know, they suck at the goal and not that bothered. But he's probably looking at... Got a cut final to look forward to as well. Got a cut final, so you know what they play to him because like Newcastle fans have tried to get a rivalry for that with Everton for years and I don't quite understand why. But I don't begrudge them this because actually, but it's almost like forget the owners. They've done everything in the right way. Do you know what I mean? And they're the results. And they're getting the results for it and I was, look, I always think about, think, well, it doesn't matter who it is. You know, Liverpool in the last few years it's been horrible to watch but for the most part they've done it the correct way in terms of going out, getting good players, trying to build the team and they're going to go through the cycle and that's the way to do it. Not at all, mate. It isn't that hard. I don't think it's that hard. If you leave people who are experienced and qualified to do their roles, it isn't difficult. And it's evidence biggest issue. Still adding things now that they're not allowing Kevin Thelwell to do his job. So what's the point? How many times have we had the best director in football installed in Steve Walsh? And then obviously we had Marcel Brands and now we have Kevin Thelwell. But ultimately, you know, there are... Listen, we can guess and suspect and stuff, but ultimately we don't know what the root problem is. And again, we keep mentioning it, but I keep going back to that image of Marcel Brands walking out of the director's box in the main stand kind of saying, you know, do you think it's just me, you know, to the fan who was berating him then and it ended up on YouTube. And I think it was a very, very telling thing. In a situation which, you know, a couple of years on hasn't got any better. In fact, it's got dramatically worse. I mean, the only thing I would say in terms of what you were just describing before with Newcastle and Kieran Trippier, for example, is that there was a feel-good factor and there were parallels with that in the signings of Tarkowski and obviously the loan deal for Conor Cody, which we assumed was going to be Rubber Stam to the end of the season, more on that later. But they seemed to be really, really good signings in terms of the character that we needed in the dressing room. And actually, I still stand by that. I still think that they were two inspired signings. But then the wheels have just come off so much. And I'm not laying blame at their door necessarily. Yes, you know, performances have needed to improve across the first team squad front to back. But I still think that they are the right people to have in that dressing room. But how the rest of it has gone so spectacularly wrong is, I don't know what to say anymore. I really don't. No, all we can say is we've got a new manager. We know what we're going with all over, being linked with every three agents, Isco and IU yesterday. But we think we know what we've got now for the rest of the season. Ella Sims is going to have to, you know, we might be the X factor that we don't realise, and he might come up with a couple of goals or whatever, but it's going to rely on Dominic Alvalune staying fit. I imagine we will have a good structure for the rest of the season and we'll be harder to beat under Sean Daish. That's what I think will happen. And Everton on, Everton on, you know, down right now, just with a win off for it. I keep saying it and people keep reminding me we haven't won since October. I get that, but we've also got someone new. Do you think that, you know, going back to what David's saying there about characters in the dressing room, do you think that maybe, Frank Lampard was just too weak as a manager and too weak as a personality to crack the whip when it needed to crack him because I look at those two fellas and I think if they were the only two in the dressing room, I'm sure there's more, but if they were the only two, say, and it was like, well, why should we listen to you two old fellas? Well, you know, if you've got the backing of your manager going, you know, you better respect these two fellas. If these tell you, you know, these are my leaders or whatever, you better respect them. Do you think he might have been too weak and that's where Sean Daish will make a difference? You know, we've already seen the videos of them doing the bleep tests, making people sick and basically saying straight away, the discipline's going to be tighter and it's going to be hard work and if you don't like it, then tough, but this is what we're going to do. I think compared to Frank Lampard, I think, yeah, I think Frank... Sometimes you look at where they come from. To Frank Lampard's not talking about his private life and the way he played for West Ham and went to Chelsea, he was at Chelsea for the top team where he was in a dressing room with John Terry and people like that. Tremendous leader, whatever else he was, John Terry, very good leader, very good defender. Cultures there, the winning, Joe Seymoury, you know, would have been strict. But Frank Lampard has always been someone who's motivated himself always. When he was a kid, after training at West Ham, he would go out with a ball for another half an hour and practice finishing and stuff like that. So he's never needed anybody to get him up for games ever, right? And also he's been successful. Left Chelsea, went to Manchester City, very successful. Left Manchester City, went to New York City, a different type of football and what have you. And then he's come into management and he's had Derby at a time where, you know, yeah, okay, he's had Derby and then Chelsea again, well-classed footballers but again players at the top who don't need motivating. Sean Dice has had a totally different trajectory. Jayne even sent her back, he said to himself, you know, he's in career but low with that. Had to work hard at Burnley. Sack from his Wofford job because he just didn't quite go. Went to Burnley, done a good job at Burnley but never any money. All about hard work and effort and structure. So he's come in, he'll come in there. And I'm with Frank Lampard, I think. And we hear this a couple of times in press, in interviews or press conferences of have you spoke to the players about that? And he's like, well, I shouldn't need to speak to them. It's not, I shouldn't need to. Well, I think Sean Dice doesn't do that. I think Sean Dice is, you will run. You will put the effort in. And if you don't, I will play this other fella instead of you and I'll do that. And maybe that, Frank maybe put too much confidence into them play. No, sorry, give them too much leeway to come up with the answers themselves. Maybe, I wasn't in the dressing room. I don't know. But I think Sean Dice will try to manage it a bit tighter. Can I, can I just jump in on the point that Ped, you were saying in terms of, you know, maybe not being strong enough, et cetera, et cetera. And this takes me back to the conversation that we had last week or the week before. And we were talking about possibles for taking over the management. And I was saying, well, at least if you put in a Duncan or someone like that, you know, you were going to get somebody who was going to convey in literal detail the thoughts of the Gladys Street about an inch from the noses of these players. And the argument that came back was the fact that, you know, do modern day players respond to that anymore? You know, which is a fair point. And I honestly don't know. And I think also there's not a one size fits all in that respect. I think certain players will and certain players won't. But in his defense, and we actually said this at the beginning of the season, with regards to Frank Lampard, is that he seemed to be creating a really good and relaxed and happy culture. Now, that relaxed and happy culture would seem to have gone wrong. But we enjoyed the fact that he was treating the players with respect. You know, he was one of them. He was the first to go over and give them big hugs. There was big smiles and stuff like that. And it felt like they were playing for him because they respected him and they respected the way that everybody was being treated. And I would agree with you. I think that Frank Lampard is, and I don't know. And personally, I've never spent any time with him, but it's difficult to imagine him losing his rag at half time and just going back shit in the dressing room and throwing cups of tea around, et cetera, et cetera. You can't imagine that because he's got more about him. He's a classier individual than that, in my opinion. Now, so I'm not sure that I would describe that as a weakness, and maybe, you know, he was doing what he felt was the right way to respect and communicate and inspire and encourage the players that he had. It is disposal in the modern day. However, we now have a situation where that seemingly hasn't worked. We have a completely different tack. We're in a desperate situation without any doubt. And Sean Deish has come in, and I would agree with you. I think he's probably the best man for the job at this moment in time, given the options that we had or didn't have in front of us. And I think we, you know, 100% we have to back in. We have to get all galvanized together because, as we said before, you know, and even when I was talking about it with regards to somebody like Duncan, is it the only thing that is going to keep us up between now and the end of the season? And it's a tall order, especially when you look at the fixtures, which I did the other day again, and it's thoroughly depressing. And I don't know why it should be depressing, because it's the same size we know with the balance of a ways and stuff like that towards the end. And I'm just like, oh, God, where's the points coming from then? It looks really, you know, we've really got to get some points on the board in the next few weeks, because it starts to get really grim after that, in my opinion. But the only thing that is going to get us over the line is absolute sleeves rolled up, blood and thunder. You know, complete effort. It's going to be a battle. It's got to be dogs of war. It's got to be all of those things and then some, because we're not going to get out of this playing pretty football. We don't have the personnel to do it. It's going to have to be a fight. Every game needs to be a cup final. And then and only then do we even stand a fighting chance of actually staying up and bagging 17th, which we would be delighted about at the moment. Absolutely. I think we're going to move on now. All's I'd say just very quickly is players love an excuse. So while results are going your way, they love all of them hugs and all that, the minute you start losing games, if they notice a weakness or they can hide behind something, they, they switch off. And it's like anything you can get, you can get players to do anything if you're winning. Simi only can get players forward to run back and dive in tackling it because they're doing well. If they got to 10th, 11th, they'd stop doing it. There's other, there's other things as well, which we've spoken about privately that, you know, I think coming to it, you know, the fact that the things that I would like to say on here as well, frankly, I can't say one thing. I don't, I don't believe personally, and this is my personal view. I don't think it's personally healthy when your manager, your family live 250 miles away from where you, and all your coaching staff from where you work. I don't think that's healthy. And I don't think that's healthy about any manager. It's why Merino felt that man united. He was living in a hotel, he was living in an ordinary hotel. I don't think that's healthy. Well, I think it's worse if you've got a team of five here, but all your families live, if three of them live up here, then they can take a day's training. When Mondies are off, because you're all living here. I don't think that's healthy. I don't think, especially having a young family as well, I don't personally think that's healthy. So, I mean, you know, you can think whatever you want about that, but I don't think that's healthy at all. So, I think that creates the best environment. Right. In fairness though, it didn't, from what I can see, it didn't create a... I don't think there was any issue with Frank Lampard kind of assimilating himself into the club, and even ingratiating himself at the club. No, he was excellent at that. There was no question. He was excellent at that. Listen, I agree with you in theory, of course I do. And in an ideal world then, yes, you know, it's important to be part of the city or town and the community, which you're representing. Of course it is. And it did. However, I don't think in any way that we can cite that for Frank Lampard's downfall. No, no. And I think that his commitment to Everton Football Club from the first day to the last day, and I mean, his parting statement was, I thought was really classy. Yeah, he is always, I have spent some time with him and he is a very nice man. Was he good enough? Well, no results dictate whether he's good enough. Regardless, his results weren't good enough and he deserved to be sacked. And that's the same as what we said. I couldn't sit here. Who would I rather sit down have a coffee with Frank Lampard or Rafa Benitez? Frank Lampard, 100 times out of 100. But I sat there last season and said, Benitez had to go one win and 14 to disgrace. I couldn't sit here when Frank Lampard had the same record and go, I think he needs another three. He needs air to go 100% he's really. If we'd have sacked him in November, I would have thought it would be harsh, right? Because we'd just, we'd had a decent run and we're on a little bit of a bad run. However, if you're going to sack him three or four, and we all said this to be fair, if you're going to sack him a few games into January, then you may as well have sacked him in November and at that period of time. And everybody else sort of. And everybody else did. Oh, we definitely should have sacked him after Brighton because we had two games against teams in the bottom three. But anyway, we didn't. Right, that's enough football because it's grim. If you had the choice of having a cup of tea with Nigel Farage or Rafa Benitez, which one would you go for? I'd go with Benitez. No, but no why? No, I would 100% go with Benitez. Because I want to know, is it tunnel pass? Is it still there? Did he, does it still work when he came back his fast pass from the where it was, you know? Do you know those clickers from the last of us? You'd rather have them. I would rather have a cup of tea with a clicker from the last of us. It's scary, then. But have you not seen Nigel Farage? He is terrifying, to be fair. He's terrifying. He might be a clicker, for all we know, you never know. I know he's got the intelligence to be a clicker. Dave, you have no idea what we're talking about, do you? You don't think? No. You're not. Because I can tell straight away you're, because you've got your bike, you don't ever play on PlayStation games. I know that's right away. Well, do you know what? I don't, I don't. Have you ever been into gaming at all? No, never. Oh, Dave. Oh, Dave. You've missed a little bit, mate. You're missing out. Part of me feels bad for you, then the other part goes, no, he lives in a little village. He's got a woman who cuts his hair, and he rides a bike. Yeah, but he's living the life that we all dream of. She's threatening, because the Scottish accent feels a bit scary. You know what I mean? He looks like lethargo Martinis, as well. And you have the vision. By the way, by the way, I need to, I need to put myself in again. Oh, I'm into my own. I mean, if she's, I need to text her. Right, let's get... Can I just say I've got visions of Dave riding his bike, next to a canal, and a man comes past on a barge, and they have a friendly conversation as he goes past, and it's just great. This is the man. It's just great. It's like the human version of the wind in the willows. This is the man. This is the man that paddleboarded to get pasties from a bakery. Paddleboarded actual water. Because you're the badger, man. I love it. The badger, man. I'm not sure what Dave will be. I'll be tremendous in that village. I'll be tremendous. There you go. But what a place to live. You'll have to come down. Need to. Paddleboarding together. Need to. I just watch you paddleboard. I like the idea of sitting, watching the paddleboard, and eating the pasty. That's what I like the idea of watching you. Isn't there a paddleboard night in the town house, or is that called something else? Something, something like that. Remember when Ned was going to go on town and mow Bay Water Park, to be waterboarded? And he loved it. Can I just raise a couple of things? Go on. Just while we're in the kind of, you know, mid-sentience. I have got some topics, but go on. No, no, no, it's fine. No, go on. Just a couple of things, because I'll forget otherwise. Yeah, go on, mate. To your right, Barry, as we look at this, I'm not sure how this will be arranged on screen. Go on, that's fine. No, no, no. But I mean, there's pictures on here, and this goes on to Instagram and whatnot. Now, to your right, there is the away shirt, the NEC away shirt, circa 92 to 94, et cetera, et cetera. Now, certain people, and I totally understand why, have given me stick on social media for having a red, or what looks like a red sofa behind me. But actually, the look I was going for has been beautifully demonstrated by said shirt there, because I would argue that you can see that that shirt, the salmon, is the same color as mine. That's your color, is it? Absolutely, and so very much that was the color combination that I was going for. Exactly. You've got the blue caution and the salmon pink. Absolutely. For all those people that were giving me stick, I think that if you look at the corner of Barry's screen, there we go, and then you look at my sofa, there we go, you will see exactly what I was trying to see. Synergy, Dave. Synergy. And that's what I was trying to achieve. That's point one. The second point is, do I need to speak to HR about a leave form for next Tuesday, the 7th of February, if we're recording then, only because I can't be around, and I don't want to get slagged off in the same way that we rightly slagged Bush off, but we won't take this seriously. Well, can I just interject as part of HR with the leave form? We are trying to make the threesome back into a foursome, which it was, and therefore, fuck, it is always better. Keys in a bowl. Keys in a bowl full, with no bush, or bush, as it happens. And obviously we need to... Not enough Bush, yeah. Not enough Bush. So what we needed, Dave, is... We need that dry-witted Bush. We do. We do. Is to reconvene at a time that suits everybody. Well, reinstate, but reconvene at a time that suits everybody. So therefore, David, Tuesday may not be an issue, because we may actually remove the... Let's get the heads together, all in the bush, and see what happens. Okay, fine. Well, I just, you know, I appreciate that this could be handled off air, but I thought, well, while we're here now anyway... Let's do it like. People are interested in the workings of how this works. You know, this isn't just thrown together with William, indeed, Nilly. There's a lot of thought and process goes into this. I just want people to understand. Absolutely. That's my name, you tit. Yeah, exactly. There you go. We want to be back, don't we? And Bush. That's my name, you tit. And Bush. He wants to be back. And Bush. And Bush. Mike Cosgrove, who is one of our Premier Members, and absolutely loves this podcast. Number one fan of the podcast. Number one fan of the podcast. He loves it. And also on Deadline Day, Dave, when we got stuck for content, we decided because Mike is a little bit challenged on the airline. Fully challenged, yeah. We decided to try and do an Everton Bold 11. Yeah. And honestly, God, it gave us about an hour's worth of content. People were loving it. It was live. Oh, no, we can't go into it again. It was live. People were loving it. People were loving it. And it was something that, although people were trying to claim, people were baldy when they weren't. It was scandalous, Dave. It was scandalous. You'd have no chance of getting in. I'm struggling to count being Graveson. Well, he couldn't have had Graveson because he wasn't bald when he signed. Yeah. No, no, no. The bald is, he can't be having hair down here, either, mate. You can't have the egg in the nest. That's not baldy. You can't have hair starting at the back. I can't think of any proper pure slap. And that's why we got an hour out of it, Dave. An hour out of it, Dave. But we did. Andy Johnson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So straight off the bat, there you go. It's him Howard. There you go. So, well, you know, we'll do that. If you want to play this game, Dave, we'll do it. But we're not today. We're not doing it now. It's fine. Well, they will save it for like a quiet week. We will. So, follically challenged Michael. Yeah. Asked us whether or not we believe that the US landed on the moon in 1969. And if so, why is nobody being back and done a full proper video of them having a game of 40? I mean, Mike, that bit's wrong because people have been back. But so let's start with that because I'll go first. No, no, let's start with Dave because I know your views and you will dampen the whole thing. I don't know, but I could have got mine. Let's get Dave's opinion first on the moon. They did the United States land on the moon in 1969 despite only a few months earlier not having a clue how to get there. So go on. Did the all of a sudden just get there? Do you know, it's interesting you say that because this was something that only became a debate in my head about three or four years ago because I had always just assumed as we had done it was a part of history. It was a moment in time and obviously it happened and we have the video and audio proof that we need. However, then conspiracy, well, actually there's been conspiracy theories for decades, but I was only made aware of conspiracy theories in a conversation similar to this. And then the whole point that you rightly raise in so much as well, if that was in 1969, right, which is what's that, 54 years ago. That's right. Scarily, you know, it's 54 years ago and it's never been replicated to the same extent. We have never seen an updated modern version of Neil Armstrong walking around on the moon and that little bogey thing and the flag going in there. Why have we never seen that in HD and full technicolor or whatever it is? I can give you a reason, but... No, go on Dave. I know, I know. In fact, Ped, have we not even had this conversation before? It sort of feels like maybe we have, but I know that you will have an opinion on this, but I guess I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I delight in the shadows and wind blowing and all that has made me just think it's area 51. But there you go. They 100% went to the moon. Okay. Right. I mean, I don't believe people. I love the way you show. The Russians landed something on the moon in 1959. No, we're not. Ten years before. No, we're not. But they were trying to get to the moon for years and years and years. In fact, don't forget JFK did the speech and get shot in 1963. So it wasn't a few months. What he said was by the end of this decade we'll be on the moon. The reason why they haven't gone back to the moon. Full evidence on that land. Because it costs millions and billions of pounds to do anything. Billions of pounds. Yeah, yeah. They keep doing it to Mars. Not fly. No one's ever gone to Mars. I've never lived on Mars. Don't worry. No, don't worry. Fly. It cost billions to fly to a bar and rock. Why would you do that? When we've got all these problems down on Earth. It's a. Your argument does fall down. It's a political. No, no, it doesn't. It's a political. It's a political hot potato. And they'll be going back to the moon very, very soon and then they'll kick on to Mars. And then you'll see. Don't you worry about it. When they go to the moon they'll look for that flag. It'll be gone. There's the one. There was no flag there. No, it'll still be there. No, it won't. It'll still be there. It won't. They never went. And then Mike's next. 100% went. Yeah. So we're going Dave will. Yeah, 800% say they didn't go. Ped thinks they did go. You've got to decide on both. Why do you not? Why do you not think they went Dave? For what reason? I'm just saying that it has been put into doubt. Because expert. Not by experts. Okay. Now this isn't based on science. Go on. Very little of what I say is. But on the basis that we have two polar opposite decisions here. Yeah. From Barrington yourself. Yes. And from Peter. The batsman you call me is what? Neckles. Is that I think that if I had to go one way or the other. I would probably have to side with. Had only because I think that Ped is more likely to have done the research to support his argument than you Barry. Which actually is a is a is a is a kind of a compliment to you Baz because I think that you're more normal. Yeah, if you if if you if you if you think I've done the research and that reaches is watching a lot of films then you would be correct. I've watched a lot of documentaries on it which proves that they haven't gone. It is. They have 100% 100% been 100%. And the reason why I'm also a scientist is because of the two scientists because of the people. The people who went or or saw Adam and Buzz Aldrin punched a man in the face. Because it punched a man in the face because that's his legacy when he was legacy of Armstrong. Neil Armstrong was a very very. Lee Harvey Oswald shot John of Canada. We know that we know that but I but the thing is though. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm thinking he killed John Lennon as well. It's the counter. The fellow killed John Lennon. We know that because we know because you're catching the right. And it's not the same one. No, not the same one. No, no, no. He did shoot him. We know he shot him because he captured the right in his pocket and everyone knows catching the rise. The book used to to brainwash people. Right. So I want to know I want to know I want to know why you think they didn't go to the moon. I've told you I've given you know I want to know why. No, no. What's the explanation? The explanation is that they were running out of time. The stuff they want. That's not. No, no, that's not. No, I would if you give me a good explanation. I'm giving you a good explanation because you've got to have the counterpoint. I haven't finished. And he's shaking his head. They were running out of time to say it's America. By the way, you've got to look at it was the race, the space race. It's literally a name for it. And they couldn't achieve it, right? It wasn't going to be done at the end of the decade, right? Which would have meant America losing face. Then the evidence of them being on the moon is the biggest load of nonsense ever. It is. If you watch it, it's not legit. Hang on. Hang on. Scientifically, it's wrong. These people it's hard. You can't say the science is wrong when people these people are just sitting in their arm chairs. Now, if you'd give me if you'd give me the explanation of or the arguments of they faked it to bankrupt Russia. I would I would use that as a good, good reason to they bankrupt Russia. What you take is a good reason. That would be that would be because I think if you're going to have a point, it's always good to have the counterpoint to use as an argument. Just give you the counterpoint. I don't think running out of time is is a I think I don't I don't think you realize what America is like for a global for a global JF case. And they shot him. So it wasn't really that hard. So it didn't go to the moon. And then the second one. Dave's vote really for me. What Dave's done is gone with you. Exactly. That's fine. That's fine. But he wasn't convincing. If if if I if I had to go one way or the other. And when you talk about bank bankrupting Russia, are we back to to Everton's ownership issue? Well, you know, only far up. Everton or the new ever being. Everton or the new Cold War. No, no, Everton. Only far up. But as we told as we told yesterday, as we told yesterday, the Cold War was actually just a war fought in a very, very cold place. When there was a few months. What's your what's your other possibly safer discussions? So Mike's one was. Now is our how did it work? Yeah, that is a good one. It's interesting because he's put a picture and he's laughing with the elephants and the giraffe are just chilling on this image. I put the image in the group for us. Yeah. And you can see that they are just. It's a great picture. They show afforded to you. Okay. I like the fact that you you had to send us a picture of Noah's Ark. So we are. So it might change. Mike said to me. But like you said, like lads, just in case you don't know what Noah's Ark is, is a picture lad. Do you want to if two by two or ice? It's the picture. Okay. Okay. Listen, here's here's what I think. Is that I'm less convinced about Noah's Ark happening. Then I am about the moon landings. Okay. I will can see controversial. Yeah. Yeah. Because that may be. It feels controversial. And I don't want to be in any way. Controversial, I suppose. Yeah. To those who are who are artists. Yeah. I don't believe. Architronian. necessarily that Noah. It's from animals image. Got all of those different animals. Yeah. From around the animal. Look at the elephants on the picture. Chill. Two by two. Two by two. Yeah. I'm just I'm just not sure. What if you had four elephants and two, you know, two were coming in, what the other two not allowed in? Who's stopping an elephant from walking up the ramp? Real, no, but who realistically, who's stopping the elephant? Elephants are massive. Who give the invites out? Exactly. That's who went round to the lions. I will. And why are lions just chilling? Lions going. All right, lad. What you got to say to the lions is, listen, there's loads of birds up there and you don't have to, you don't have to look for food. And the lion might have gone. You're killing the thing you need. Yeah. No, but it's you're telling the lie. You've got to tell it to the lion. But if you're not going to back up policy, what if the lions go a bit, go get a bit nuts one day, kill one of the elephants and you down to one elephant? Yeah. Wouldn't you need like a back up arch? I don't know what you'd do for a back up arch. Maybe like a cave. I don't know. Is the other part of the story that's never been explained. Is that obviously they all get put in the art two by two. Yeah. And we're assuming that these are representatives of every type of species in the animal kingdom. Yeah. Right. I mean it's been a big arch. They get put in the arch. Yeah. And the arch then goes to see when the great floods come. Yeah. And then they go off to see, then what happens? Right. Where do they, when do they get re-dispatched back to whence they came? When does that happen? I think what everyone else is, I mean what I would say is, it's a good job that wherever they rock up, there isn't a Nigel Farage equivalent there. Because they would have been sent back. You can't get in mate. Sos. You don't have a plane. They'd have been sent to Rwanda. Exactly. Float. It would have been difficult to have actually sailed to Rwanda because I'm pretty sure it's entirely landlocked. It is landlocked. Man do you know the water, Dave? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Water. It still, it still proves practical problems. There is problems, yeah. Where did the, where did the arch start the journey? Wherever it was. Wherever it was. Africa, I imagine. You've got lions and elephants. No. Well they see it wasn't though because it was in, it was like Iran wasn't it? Well it was over in the Persian Gulf. So it was like the, because that's the cradle of existence and people say that's where they were. Yeah, but with the Vatican. So why did you get the lion, why did you get, did you walk the lions through Africa and then into the arch? Or did it do like a stop-off? Did it do like- Also. Well you know, when you get a coach like you're watching Evan away you're going to stop at like five different places, don't you, that's what the arch is. What you mean like, like, like the coaches do. Yeah, so it's always like, so in some of the words it'd stop at the rocket. Yeah, it'd be the rocket. So they'd be, hang on, are we off? No, listen, we've got to stop with the island there because we've got the lions, the lions are waiting. But hang on, yeah. Okay, but what about, so at what point do all the, do all the, all the, all the, I mean, all the Australian animals that have to come into play because they only exist over there. So you're going to have to do a stop there because you've got kangaroos to get in there, you've got dingos, you've got, you've got wombats. It's how quick you can, it's how quick you can get round there, isn't it? Yeah. Wherever the floods were, it'd just be listen, get high, as high as you can, because we don't know where we're getting there. There was no timetable, was there? It was just, they're just going for it. It brings a lot of problems. It's got inconsistencies. Logistical issues. It's got inconsistencies. So what I would say is, I will concede there is more likely that the United States landed on the moon in 1969, than Noah's Ark. That's tough. I am willing to concede that. That is a bold step for me. I tell you, no, I'm with you. I think 100%. I think if we've achieved anything today, I think to actually all agree that there is more chance that the moon landings happen. I believe so. I believe so. Noah's Ark. I believe so. Which actually, when you analyse it, is actually a very disappointing story. It is, because I'd rather come out this with the Ark being more likely. It just, yeah. I mean, I mean, how did they bend the wood? And how did they make it? I know, it does like this. And also, and also, you can't do that on your own, right? So this was just Noah. He had Noah. He had Noah. He had a family. He did have a family. Were they all helping him? I think they helped him. Because you wouldn't leave your fat. Did he only take two of his family? Sorry, mate. There's a two-byter. No, there was more there. Did someone say there's Noah chance of that working? How would you? Hey, there's Noah chance of that. Look at how would that work with him in his family? Noah said he did he say that. He's not going to say this. He's not taking the kids. This is the second name, West. Noah West. Oh. Noah East. Noah Chance is bleeding. Name should have been. Um, we've got some. This is false also. It feels like it. The other thing is that, you know, he would have had to be located very close to a forest because unless you had a juicens or something there, right, you wouldn't be able to get that volume of wood. The juicens. Also, did he have a screw fix? Maybe it's there. But as he's nailing the wood together, has he just gone rock? Has he just shards? I think he had hammers. He wasn't in the stone. Yeah, but he was. I'm not being funny, mate. I was going to say if you'd ever like nail the thing and the nails bent, what all's that say is, you know, when we build things in here, he's far from it, right? I painted this bleeding wall. How many screws? You couldn't reach the high parts. Who painted most of it? Me and you gun the high parts. That was it. That was it. That isn't you painting the wall. Can I just say, isn't there a place in America where they've made a replica of the arch and it's called like the arch project and it's these people. So how have they nailed it together? Because it's 2023. But I'm saying there's a place in America where they've built an arch. Marty McFly was in part of the bleeding scene. He's built an arch. And it's called the arch project and it's these people. Maybe we need to do a pod visit to this place and have a chat with them. All right, well, let's do some. But I think this opens up an interesting segment within the show of... Okay. While we think about it. How we think about conspiracy theories or the fact about losing some stories. Quick fire ones to finish off, right? Yeah. Gareth Hughes says number one singles on the day you were born. Who's was best? Oh, I think I know mine. Hang on. So we're going to have to say it now, aren't we? Sure, mine was really something really, really, really disobedient. Nice, hang on. I'll tell you mine. Do you want mine while you're looking? Go on. Yeah, if you've got yours. I think mine was Tiger Feet by Mudd. I think it's a good one. I really love your Tiger Feet. It's a good one. Nice, nice. That's not a bad song. Not Dave Mann or people, but surely. I'm sure, man. Let me just double check myself. I wouldn't want to be kind of broadcasting. I think I've just cracked the code. I think I've just won. Go on, then. Mine is, and I'm not sure if this is UK. Oh, no, I've got. Hang on. So my one in the UK was Mary's Boy Child. Beltse, my only M. But apparently my number one in America was La Freak by Sheik. That's a good one. That is a good one. Mine is, mine was Amazing Grace by the Royal Scots band. Sorry, I've just found another one. And it was Royal Scots, Dragoon Guards, and it was number one for weeks as well. Isn't it another one? The number one country song on my birth date was On My Knees. I mean, that's up to you in the town. I'll start it perfectly. Okay, let's move on. Well, Dave, what have you... Hang on, hang on. Go on. I think Ped's one. What I don't get is, at the bottom of this thing, does it have a very, very intermittent fasting for seniors? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, hang on, hang on. Fair enough. Go on, Dave. Why is there a bear next to an old woman? Bear girl. Hey, listen, you know what? You know, I said that it was... It was Bear wrinkles. Tiger Feet by Mudd. Yeah. I think it's now saying on this website that it was Seasons in the Sun by Terry Jax. That's a great one. Is that as in, you know, we had joy, we had fun. We had Seasons in the Sun. Sad song, actually. Ned, you need to put this picture on the screen in a moment. Very, very, it's unbelievable. Okay, next one. Mr. H88 says, Mackie's Burger King, five guys or Nando's who has the best chips? Five guys. Five guys. Unbelievable. They're unbelievable. I'm not fully familiar with... I mean, I've had their chips, but I wouldn't be able to tell you whether they were... I would go with McDonald's. No, Dave, that's a weak one. I'm gonna go Nando's. That's a weak one. It's death. Oh, I love them. Ned, have you got that picture on the screen? I'm going Nando's. I think it's incredible. It's an expensive person. It is very expensive, it's like a... The calories are horrific. Oh, God. Like, two and a half. For a burger and chip, just two and a half thousand calories. For a McDonald's equivalent, it's like 800 to something. Ned, come on. Man, make it fit. Okay. Other sports where the management of the club has been comparable to everything. Other sports clubs. The Griffey. Griffey says the Detroit Lions. You don't know. And Glenn says Cleveland Brown. I don't know. That's hard. That one, that's hard. I wouldn't even have brought her up. What was that football team that Winnie Mandela had years ago? I don't know, but it might have been great. Dave got deep dive there. Dave's gone into it. And there's the last one. Glenn Watson says a favorite ball game of all time. Mr. H888 says that's a trap, trying to find the stories. You say monopoly. I see what you did there. Glenn said I always like Mausra. Favorite ball game of all time? Do we like ball games? I do like ball games. I'm not sort of the wrong era for ball games. I like ball games. I was straight on to that. Cluedo, I don't mind. Bit of Cluedo. Bit of trivial pursuit. Because obviously it's generally not a question. I don't mind too. Remember when that was a thing? Remember when you, like people in the 80s, like, I don't know. Not personally, I was too young. But like people would go, having a dinner party, and we'll have a trivial pursuit afterwards and stuff like that. Well, I've got one. I'll just say this one very quickly. I got one. Because we do like the alt-quizzes, me, me, Mrs. or whatever. And I got outsmarted for Christmas. So basically it's a live quiz. So it's always updated. So you just have it on like your laptop or whatever. It's tremendous. And it's like a modern day trivial pursuit. Beautiful. And it's, it's tremendous. So there you go. No, just put that. There you go. It's on the screen for me. Just to finish. Can you just look at your phone and have a look at this outfit? Look at this outfit that it's been on. It's popped up for pet. It's incredible. On your laptop. Look on your phone, the WhatsApp. This has popped up for pet. This is tremendous. Would the 65-year-old want to be that close to a bear? Dude, the one about it, that is unbelievable. No, it will do. Because it will now be on the screen day for people to see. People listening. People listening now that I've been add off, but. Yeah, for seniors. For seniors. Yeah, I mean, this has come up for pet. So I don't know what he's been saying. Mature on porn or something. I don't know. This is for that birth, I think. You're saying that, mate, but I don't know. But we've got, I mean. Yeah, I would add. Get rid of your cookies. History kill. Absolutely. Because you could get yourself into some trouble with that. There you go. What a way to finish. What a way to finish. I think, I think. People listening on the podcast have been left wanting more. Basically. People listening to the podcast, that means you're going to have to check out the video version of this podcast on YouTube. It was incredible. For the last five minutes. Just to check out that. Well, if you're listening, you've missed the image of the arch with the giraffes and the elephants chilling. There's also someone from off the arch over your left shoulder. They're looking in through the window, yeah. But Dave can't see either because he hasn't got the special effects. Oh yeah. Okay, fair play. Dave will have to check out the video podcast. Just to see what is over my shoulder. I mean, last week. Listen, I mean, I watch it regularly. Yeah. You know, without fail. Of course. And surely everybody does. Did you like your patterned samaladise on the head last week? I thought we won't know. Yeah. That's what we want to know. Right, we will leave it there. We know Dave is very busy. He is a busy man. So, it's, thank you very much. It's only gone for me lunch, but anyway. But yeah, I'm getting home. You need to go and book your haircuts as well. Don't forget me. Oh yeah. With Scottish Sandra. What's her name? Jillian. Jillian. You know, Scottish Jillian. She's got any space. Does she do any extras? Is she what? She's doing the extras. Like give you a shaver. Give you the shaver. She washes your hair beforehand. It's all part of the incorporated price. It's all part of it. No, no, like flanging your hair for your ear hair. Oh, I don't know why. I think it's interesting though, as well, is that she doesn't, she doesn't accept cards. It's cash. Oh, well, you know, let's not say. Little clearly. Allegedly from Peter McPartland's only opinion. Nobody else in this part. I don't think she is. But it is about the only time that I get cash out. That he's in a village. Yeah, you're in a village. You want that money to go round the village. Sloshing on the village. You probably haven't got card machines in this village. Probably not. That's how the economy should work. Does the milk man deliver your milk, Dave, or do you have to go to a supermarket-style place to get milk? Or do you not drink milk? Because actually, we went through a phase of actually having our milk delivered in the old-fashioned way because I thought that it was good and it was. And I was trying to do my bit in terms of supporting farmers and not having the supermarkets ripped them all off. And we did for a while until we then realised it was massively expensive. Yeah, it was you. That was getting ripped off. Now I get my milk from Tesco's again. Fair play to you, Dave. I have a milk, man. Fair play to you, mate, but I'm not paid. I don't get milk often because I drink almond milk, but... What do you drink? Almond milk. I don't know what that is. Almond milk. It's yours for a pet, then. Yeah, what do you bring into yours, then? And when does he turn up? Who's milk? But you don't drink milk. No, I don't drink milk. I don't drink milk. I think almond milk. Fair play. Fair play. Fair play. I mean, Dave's looking perplexed. It's perfect. I'm the goat. Let's go. Dave, thank you very much. We will catch up with you next week. Obviously, have a good week. We'll be in... Obviously, we will sort out the new recording time so we can get a bit of bush back involved. Yeah, and we'll sort out your HR form for your day off, which won't happen. Won't happen? Because we will readjust the filming. Take it easy, mate. Thank you all for watching and listening. See you later. Bye.