 Thinking about becoming an online fitness coach, you're going to want to watch this. Our next caller is Caitlin from British Columbia. Caitlin, how's it going? How can we help you? Hi. Thank you so much for this opportunity. It's so cool to be able to ask you guys a question in live time. Before I get to my question, I just wanted to say thank you guys so much for the work that you do and the information that you share. I've been listening to Mind Pump since I started weightlifting two and a half years ago, and I have learned so much from you guys. So thank you so much for what you do. Thank you, Rad. Thank you. So my question is, I listened to your podcast with Jordan Shallow, the Muscle Science one, and I found that super fascinating. And I really like Shallow's approach. And so I've been thinking about taking his Prescript Level 1 course. But I wanted to hear from you guys, your advice on if there's any other online programs that would maybe cover some of the same principles that Shallow does, that the biomechanics and the anatomy and the programming and working with injuries that would be comparable. And for context, I'm not a certified trainer, but that's something that I'm thinking of maybe pursuing. And Jordan Shallow's course doesn't offer that certification yet. So I wanted to hear from you guys because I know you're always talking about the fitness industry will tell you this, but this is what's actually true and what you should actually be doing. So yeah, I wanted to hear from you guys. Yeah, DeFranco CPPS. Oh, that's a good one, right? All day long. I can't promote it enough only because there's a lot of certifications out there that are recommended as kind of introductory like an ASM or a lot of ACE and things that'll just at least be a national recognized certification. But CPPS, I think of all the ones that I've sat through and gone through myself breaks it down on the most applicable level. So it's just it gives you tools to then actually go and train a client and feel confident in that. Yeah. Caitlin, are you going to be a trainer in a big box gym or online coach? Like what's your goal? No, it'd be online. Okay. Okay. So this makes a big difference because if you're going to do, if you wanted to be a trainer in a big box gym, then you're going to have to get a national certification. But since you don't or you're not going to, you don't. So we can just recommend the ones that we think are the most valuable for online coaching. NCI exceptional, exceptional certification for online coaches. They also spend a lot of time teaching you how to build a business, which other certifications don't do at all. And if you're going to be an online coach, you need to learn how to build your business online. Otherwise, you can want to help as many people as you want. But if you can't build a business around it, well, then you're not going to be able to do it. Jordan Shallows Prescript, excellent, excellent certification. Joe DeFranco, CPPS certification, another excellent certification. Those would be the three that I would recommend off the top. I don't think national certification is a great investment. If you don't need the national certification, because I know CPPS and Prescript will cover what you're going to learn from NASM and then some. And then NCI is going to help you with the nutrition coaching component and the building your business component. And if you did like NCI and Prescript or a combination of those, you're going to be in really, really good position to build yourself a nice online coaching business. I think those three are perfect. The order I would do them in, maybe I would go either CPPS first or NCI first. Depending on your preference. Yeah. I think Shallows to me would be kind of the pinnacle of those three, right? Super comprehensive. Yeah. His is, I mean, if you're more into the nerdy stuff, you're going to love his the most because I think he goes real deep and that he's absolutely brilliant and that's why we partnered with him. So I definitely recommend that one for sure. You'll get more practical stuff, I think from NCI and CPPS. I think those ones will, and probably the most general for training clients would be Joe DeFranco's, the CPPS, but probably the most applicable to like training online clients would be NCI. Yeah. They're going to really teach you how to build your business too. Doug, we have links for NCI and Prescript, right? Places we can send her to. Yeah. So for Prescript, it's mindpumpl1.com. You can go over there and sign up for NCI. We do have our weekly coaching that we're doing. So that's under mindpumpnci.com. Okay. I believe we actually have a link for CPPS as well. I'll look for that. Okay. Yeah. So those would be the best ones. And then here's what else I think is going to, let me ask you this real quick. Before I do what I'm about to do, I want to make sure I make the right decision here, Caitlin. What made you want to be a trainer or a coach? Well, I have some people that I'm like unofficially helping right now because I have a home gym and they, there's things that come up that I feel like not equipped to help them with. And I really want to be able to help them in like a safe way to get stronger and not have injuries. They're keeping them from doing things in life. So that's, that's a big, that's the biggest reason why. Okay. And what has fitness done for you? Like obviously you, you work out and you found a passion for it. Like why, why do you want to make this as a career from that standpoint? Because I've really seen its importance and the value and how it's really allowed me to do things in life way better. And like without injuries or back pain, that's really common. And it's helped my, like my mind and it's, it's helped in like a lot of areas. And then there's a lot of spiritual lessons too in it, I find that I can learn. And so, and then when I see other people that are maybe hindered because they've got injuries or because they're not fit. And I just want to be able to help them be able to not be hindered like that. Okay. Well, you know, our favorite people in the world are coaches and trainers. I mean, we've made, that's not a secret. We know what you, the kind of work that you do and the impact that you make on people's lives far more impactful than what we do on the show. We reach a lot of people, but we're not making the impact that good coaches are. And so anytime I get the opportunity, I want to equip a potential trainer or coach with his, with his, as much information and good stuff as possible to really help you do a good job. So here's what I'm going to do, okay? Cause we also have things that can help you out and we have really good workout programs. We've, we've got a lot of experience you can learn from our workout programs. So here's what I'm going to give you, Caitlin, if you promise to pursue this as a career and really do a good job as a coach or trainer, I'm going to send you our maps anabolic maps performance maps aesthetic bundle. That's the RGB bundle. Those three cornerstone routines will show you some good general workout programming. And I'm also going to send you the prime bundle because maps prime and maps prime pro are probably the two most valuable programs that we have for trainers and coaches. They're going to teach you, uh, applicable correctional exercise, which is going to bring tremendous value to your potential clients. So we're going to send all of that over to you, but I want you to pay it forward. I want you to pursue this and do a damn good job. Okay. I want you to go change some lives. Okay. Wow. Thank you so much. No problem, Caitlin. Thanks for calling. Okay. Bye. Bye. I love hearing that. I know I just give away a bunch of stuff. It's almost Christmas. I, you know, I love it because, and she's young. She's 21. And look, here's the truth. The truth is it's a hard job. I don't mean a hard job. Like, uh, it's hard to help people. That's hard too. It's hard to make a career. It's not an easy job to get started for sure. It's just, it's just, you know, yeah, but here's the deal though. Show me somebody who has all those programs, listens to this show, has those three certifications, and I'll show you, I'll show you a damn good trainer. You show me someone who has all those certifications, listens to our show consistently, has our programs as blueprints. And you got to be, you got to be pretty bad actually, not to be successful. I mean, those are, I think some of the best certifications out there. You're listening to us on the show to help you apply it to your clients and learn from all the mistakes we made in two decades. And then you actually have blueprints on how to create programs right in front of you. And she, she doesn't sound like she's quiet and shy. Sound like she's got enough personality to talk to someone. She could be very successful. What I love about it, it's all complimentary. You know, even those other certifications we mentioned, like each one of them fills a need. And if you really, if she does her due diligence and does, you know, in fact, like sign up and for those certifications, she's going to set herself way above the rest. Yeah. I mean, think back to when we all first started. I mean, what a difference would it have made? Had you had those resources? Had you had the podcasts like, you know, like we have for these trainers and coaches? And had you had these programs available? Like, I mean, I was full of piss and vinegar and you couldn't, you couldn't stop me with a gun. I was going to do it anyway, but it took me a long time to get good. Like I sucked for a long time because I didn't have access to these types of resources. I mean, that's a, that's quite a bit of an investment to do all of those, right? But I'll tell you right now that that investment right there, I would take a trainer with those three certifications, those programs, that experience listening to us with that all day over a PhD in our field. That's how, that's how powerful that. So if you're listening and you're a potential coach or you're just getting into the space and it's way cheaper than a PhD. Oh yeah, wait, I mean, you're talking about the total investment for, if you, all of our programs, plus those three certificates, you're still under five grand, you know, and it's a write-off. Anyway, when you build your business and you don't need to do it all in one shot, you chip away at it, right? So, but you, if you can accumulate all that over the next year or two or so, um, watch out, I guarantee the, uh, the success that you'll have as a trainer is far greater than somebody who just went through, you know, six years of schooling, in our field. That, that, the applicable knowledge that you'll get from all that. That's the key right there. Yes. Absolutely.