 I'm sorry, I'm talking to you, I love the wife. It's fine, you can just turn me. You can stand here. He messed up him. He's right in front of the camera. Anna and Yuliza are doing a marriage. Nikasema, one of the lessons that I have learned is sick first to understand before being understood. What is the secret you have in marriage? What is the secret you have in marriage? How about growth mindset? How about growth mindset? Keep improving. Don't think you know everything. Know that you have issues, you check your issues, improve them. When Zako checks the issues, she improves them. How do you sort your issues? How do you sort your issues? Being interested to find what's the best thing to do. Not what is my way or her way, what's the best way. You get my point. But sometimes people ask whether it's my way or your way. But instead of what's the best way for both of us. Especially in kwaingangumu, kwaingangumu is a pressure. But if you look at it, keep improving because of being in a relationship, then it's positive. But if you look at it, you can look at it negatively. But as we see it positively, that's what I would say. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm standing next to a legend, a mother figure. A role model to many. A super woman. The first time I came across you was that time you had an amazing splendid wedding in Nevada. Oh my God! You know how long ago that was? 18 years ago. That is 18, 2005. It's a transition. So many things have happened. Been married now. This is going to be an 18th year. I have three kids. 16, 9, 0. 8 months. I'm happy. Life is great. People ask me, how's life as a mother? I've been a mother for 16 years. It's beautiful. I genuinely can't remember life before. It gives me so much joy. It's such a big part of my life right now. It's beautiful. It's something beautiful, something amazing. What? Marriage is something amazing. You've been there for the last 16 years. 18 years! Samarize for me. Give me a watch. You cannot summarize it in one word. My friend, it is impossible. I would say it has its ups and downs. But it's worth it. Listen you've learned? In marriage, seek first to understand before wanting to be understood. Think about it. Everybody wants to be understood. But if you seek to understand your partner before you push for your partner to understand you, then you'll be able to see and appreciate where they're coming from. Now imagine if you're both doing that for each other. So your partner is trying to understand you and you are trying to understand this. So you will give each other grace. You'll be kinder to each other. You'll be so harsh to all such high standards. You'll forgive easier. There are so many, this high rise of a single mother in the country. Because maybe people differ, people opt to take that way. Why people are doing this? I wouldn't say, I don't know why and everybody is entitled to do what they feel is best for their lives and what they feel is best for their... I'm sorry I'm talking to your lovely wife. It's fine, you can just call me. You must step in front of the camera. One of the lessons that I have learnt is to seek first to understand before being understood. What is the secret you have in mind? Growth mindset. Have a growth mindset. Keep improving. Don't think you know everything. You know that you have issues, you check your issues, improve them, when zako she checks her issues, she improves them. How do you sort your issues? How do you sort your issues? Being interested to find what's the best thing to do, not what is my way or her way, what's the best way. You get my point. But sometimes people ask whether it's my way or your way, but instead of what's the best way for both of us. Especially in a kwaangangumu, actually kwaambi, atasis wukitwa naivi. In a kwaangumu na badu ikuna pressure, but if you look at it that I keep improving because of being in a relationship, then it's positive. But if you look at it like muto na kubok down, badela kusema na kwe improve, then you can look at it negatively, but as we see it positively, that's what I would say. Let's talk about Talanta Hela, because you guys are the pioneers of the Kenyan music industry. But you guys started, we never heard of the Talanta Hela. We never dream of one day government will be able to come up with something that will benefit artists, benefit the creative economy. Ya. I mean, let us speak first. No, I genuinely feel, yes, we've come a long way. When we started, we were just young people who were interested in music and being creative. We never ever had the dream that it could be amounted to something as big as it is right now to the place where the government is finally taking us with the seriousness. I mean, this industry, it is worth about 15 billion. Right? It is about time, now is the right time to help creatives to monetize their talent. To monetize. We're not trying to look for creatives. Creatives wameja kenya. What creatives need is a chance to make money. They just need an equal level playing field. They need the structures in place. They need support to just monetize their talent. And that's what Talanta Hela is all about. Talanta Hela Talanta Hela I agree with that. I think it started off like people are driven by passion but now we need to move into a way that is about business because as we realize sometimes if we don't have the support of the government, the government has noticed that there is money that can be made from there. It just needs to help the structure to help the people We've seen it online when we have an upcoming musicians. You see, there's a lady called Geshwana Ivasha. It was given a limelight. Blocks were posting her work. They appreciated her work. But in reality people were like, no, she's not good in singing. Kenyans want to disturb. Kenyans don't give people chances, second chances. I don't know what you have to say about that. Sorry, Kenyans don't want to what? Kenyans don't love to appreciate their own. Because when someone comes up he raps. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say Kenyans don't love to appreciate their own. I mean there's been a lot of love as well. The same time they'll be Kenyans and not just Kenyans. Human beings, we criticize and at the same time we appreciate. That is the nature of, we need to be kinder to ourselves. It's not a Kenyan problem. It's a human problem. So sometimes you look and you criticize but so many other times you'll appreciate and love. You get. So for me I would say that's the nature of social media. First of all, social media opens up a lot to people. Sometimes someone is going through a hard time. Wana tia kuangusham tuwingine by talking crap about them. That's from them. You get. And sometimes maybe they have a genuine thing they're trying to pass across. Social media akuna rules. So sometimes guys will hate, sometimes they love and that's all okay. But I genuinely feel like there's a lot of upcoming artists that are being shown a lot of love by the same, same Kenyans as well. Yes. You being the pioneers, are we expecting maybe a reality series from you guys? Because now the real reality, because the realities we have Kenyans are scripting it. No, no, no, we have one. It comes on Nation. You can check it out on Nation at 7. For us it's about just our lives trying to navigate our lives in our forties. What we've learned, what we've, how we're defining different things from love, success to parenting. So it's a very, it's a good easy watch about what are the things that the lessons we've learned along the way. But also in the level of entertainment a lot of, I would say edutainment, right? I mean there are all kinds of reality. And I think entertainment comes in all forms. Sometimes you want drama. Sometimes you want something that you can learn from. Sometimes just want easy entertainment and stuff like that. So for us that's where we are in our lives as well. Because I think that with the 2025 years in adulthood we've learned a couple of things that when you see young guys coming in as she was saying, we've started understanding humans in a better way. So that you don't victimize yourself. And if you're an artist and you're coming in the reality is your mental space has to be very strong. Because as you grow, there will be people pushing you down. Wherever you are, it's not one in Kenya. So how do you manage to right now with social media be strong enough even if you're being discouraged to look at the positive side of anything. Focus on the people are giving you positive energy. Don't focus on the negative. Maybe you pick the lessons from the negative but focus on the positive. So that's the reality of life. That's how life is basically. To your fans, maybe I want to your fans. I just want to say thanks for the love. Thanks for loving on Kenyan music and yeah, all the support and all the love that we get on social media we get a lot of love. So I'm really, really, really grateful for all that. We can't take that for granted. It's been many years. So attack then. Kudemues. Kudemues. Kudemues. Kwaiseimu amues. Alright. You need to come to the university. You need to come to the university. You need to come to the university. You need to come to the university. Yes, brother. Arresha muka. Alright. Alright.