 joining us this evening. As Randy said, I'm Richard Devlin. I'm the acting dean of the sugar school of law and I want to welcome you to this webinar. A couple of things. When I went to law school more than 40 years ago, the world was much simpler at that time. You basically go to law school, you get your law degree, you find a law job, you spend most of your life as a regular lawyer, usually often in the same law firm, pretty much doing the same sort of thing. For some people, they might go on to get a judicial appointment, but most people sort of stay in the practice of law pretty much doing the same thing for most of their careers and then they would retire. Today, the world is much more complicated. The world is much more challenging. The competition to get into law school is much more challenging. The legal education is much more diverse and dynamic and interdisciplinary. Clients and their needs are significantly more complex. The job market itself is more complex. In many ways, we don't talk about lawyers so much, but we talk about the market for legal services. People frequently now move from one job in the legal marketplace to another job in the legal marketplace and say somewhere for three, four, five, six years and then move on. So our keywords now are no longer tradition as they used to be, but rather the keywords of innovation and flexibility. We're looking for people who are just going to grow with the economy, grow with society, social change and respond to very rapidly changing social circumstances. So in light of this, legal education has not stood still. Legal education itself has been moving forward as well. So at the show of school of law, we have designed and developed four joint programs. These programs will give you double knowledges, they will give you double skill sets, and it will give you double competencies, therefore enhancing your capacity to respond to the current marketplace for legal services. So these four programs are the JD with a Masters in Business Administration, a JD with a Masters in Health Administration, a JD with a Masters of Information and a JD with a Masters of Public Administration. And so this evening, we've got four folks from different communities to help come and share some of their thoughts on these programs and the career opportunities that await you here after. So I want to thank Randy for inviting me tonight and hope you have a wonderful evening. So take care and if you have any questions, you've got a great panel of folks who will answer your questions. But take her. Thanks everyone. Randy, you can mute me now again if you'd like. Thank you, Richard. Apologies, as always. So with us, as Richard said, we have a great panel representing each of our combined partners who are here to talk to you about kind of what you can gain from doing this and a little bit more about their individual departments. From the MBA, we're joined by Jenna Downing, who is a coordinator of recruitment. For MHA, we're joined by Michael Haskis, who is a professor here at the law school and also works with the School of Health Administration. With Masters of Information, the MI, we have Janet Music, who is program coordinator. And for MPA, we have Krista Cullymore, who is program manager for that. As they're talking, we will be putting some information and other contact information into the chat. So just keep an eye on there. If you have any questions, you can raise your hand in the chat or just put questions in. After everyone talks, we will be opening the floor up for questions. So first off, I'm going to open the floor to MBA and Jenna. Awesome. Thanks, Randy. And thanks for having us here today. So I appreciate everyone's time and the ability to get to tell everyone a little bit more about the MBA portion of the JD-MBA joint degree. So our MBA program is a career launching MBA program. So it's a younger MBA program. It doesn't require work experience. So we have about 20% of our students come into the program with directly from their undergrad. The average student coming into the program is about less than two years' work experience. And the average age is around 24, 25. So it is a younger cohort. We accept around 45 to 50 students every year. And it ranges every year about how many JD-MBA students. I believe we have about six second year JD-MBA students. And then a few first year right now as well. So we tend to have a handful of JD-MBA students doing the joint degree. Through the joint portion from an MBA perspective, we start in June of every year. So through the joint degree, you would start as an MBA student. You start in June of every year in the first two semesters or your core MBA courses. So you take them through that summer semester and then the first fall semester. So regardless of your undergraduate degree, even if you don't have a business undergraduate degree, you're getting that core business education at that master's level within those first two semesters. So also in addition through those first two semesters, you're also working with our career management service team to get prepared for our corporate residency, which is where our name comes from. So it's an eight month work term that happens following those first two semesters. And it's eight months from January to the end of the summer. And it can be done with one of our employer partners from across the country. So we have, you know, employer partners in the public, non for profit and different sectors where students can gain valuable eight month work experience and they're treated, you know, it's more than just a co-op. It's not a four month co-op. Our employee partners treat you as employees. And it's about getting a real experience within the workplace. And so like I said, this can be done in various different sectors. But the nice thing to know is through those first two semesters and through your career management service team is there's a formula for you to go through as an MBA student to get prepared. And a lot of time gets spent around teaching you career skills that you'll take on not only into your law portion of your degree, but afterwards regardless if you work more on the business side or in the legal profession. So there's career elements to our program that can really help you regardless of which way you end up going. And like I said, so you're working for those eight months. And then following that, you would do your first year of your law degree. And then in the third or fourth year is when you do the combined courses and you take our three capstone courses to focus more on strategy. And then you'd also take four CRMB electives. We have four electives can be found in different areas of focus. We have finance area focus, entrepreneurship, innovation, marketing, and then data analytics. So depending on your interests, you're able to pick and choose your electives based on your career interests. In terms of admissions, we have three admissions deadlines this year. So January 15th is the first one. February 28th is the second one. And then May 7th is the third one. In terms of requirements, we're looking for a 3.0 GPA or better, a letter of intent, two academic letters of reference, and a resume. Our program has chose to waive the standardized test requirements. So typically if you're applying to both programs, we could just use your LSAT mark for our program. But that is not required this year for our program. So we don't need to worry about that. If you're an international student, we would be looking at an IELTS of seven or above and a letter of financial guarantee. So that's kind of our requirements in terms of application. If you're planning to apply and wish to be considered for scholarships, there's two scholarship deadlines in each of the first two rounds. So if you apply before those first two rounds and complete the scholarship application, which is on our website, you'll be considered for scholarship. In terms of deciding whether or not it's a good fit for you, my biggest recommendations to students is to reach out directly. Like Randy said, we'll have our contact information in the chat box. And I'm happy to set up a conversation and talk more about the program. But also, my biggest thing I like to do with prospective students is connect them with one of our current JD MBA students because I think it would be a great thing and a great way to figure out if the joy programs for you is connected there. And that's that. I'll leave it there. Thank you. So now we're going to go over to MHA with the illustrious Michael Haskis. Thank you, Randy. It's my pleasure to say a few words about the JDMHA program. The program basically prepares students to play a critical role in healthcare delivery as lawyers, policy makers, or health executives. The need for individuals who can effectively navigate the legal complexities of healthcare is best exemplified by the difficult legal issues posed by COVID-19 pandemic and the demand for health leaders to guide us through its many challenges. The career doors that the program can open is likely top of mind to you. So let me start by identifying some specific career options before describing the structure of the program. So this program prepares you for private practice, private legal practice representing health professionals, healthcare institutions, and healthcare consumers. You can be in-house counsel for healthcare facilities such as hospitals and nursing home organizations. You can also be a government lawyer who provides advice to departments or ministries of health. Another opportunity is to work for healthcare NGOs or non-governmental organizations such as the Red Cross and the World Health Organization. You may choose to take on a healthcare executive position such as being the vice president of patient safety and risk management for a hospital. While the combined program prepares you for these types of careers, you should know that you will earn a general JD degree and will be exposed to many different areas of law, not just health law. Thus, you will be entitled to practice any type of law and you will be in no way limited to legal positions related to healthcare if your career ultimately takes you in another direction. Trace the program overview, it takes four years to complete. It would take significantly longer to undertake a JD and an MHA separately. In year one, students have the option of completing the first year either at the school health administration which would involve taking first year MHA courses and then following the first year doing a four-month paid MHA residency during the summer. In terms of MHA courses, they cover the type of topics that health leaders need to know. For example, healthcare law, healthcare economics, healthcare policy, human resources in healthcare, quality management in healthcare, statistics for health administration and many other areas. Regarding the residency, it involves being paired with a healthcare agency that is usually selected based on consultation with the students and considering their interests and career goals. Okay, so that's the first option for year one. You may choose on the other hand to complete your first year of the JD program at the law school and it involves the exact same course that all JD students complete whether or not they are pursuing a combined program. Okay, so that's year one and those are your two options in year one. In year two, students complete the first year of whatever program they did not elect to begin with in year one. For example, if you do first year MHA in year one, which I must say is the typical approach, then you would spend year two at the law school doing all the first year JD courses. On the other hand, if you do first year JD courses in year one, then you will spend year two at the school health administration and the following summer is when you would complete the residency requirement. So those are years one and two. Years three and four then involve taking upper year courses in both schools. So you take a smattering of courses in both programs in years three and four. In terms of admission requirements, you should know that you need to apply to the law school and a school health administration separately. You must meet the admission requirements of each school. Note though that you only need to write the LSAT, not the GMAT. The GMAT is only required for students who are interested in the MHA program only. If you date to the school health administration that you're interested in the joint program or the combined program, they will accept the LSAT and you need not write the GMAT. You should consult each school for particular requirements such as personal statements, letters of reference, university transcripts, etc. A question that's often asked is what happens if I apply to both schools but I only get into one? Is it still possible to do the combined program? And the answer is yes. This scenario typically plays out with students being accepted to the MHA program but not the JD program. In that case, you can reapply to the law school during your first year of the MHA. So you would undertake the MHA during that first year, you reapply and if you get into the law school, you then can do the combined program. And this has certainly happened in the past, particularly where a student has rewritten the LSAT during the first year of the MHA and obtained a higher score and or where a student's first term MHA grades boost their GPA sufficiently high so that they gain entrance to the law school. Here's a few additional things you should know about the combined program. Dallas is the only one to offer such a program to combine JD MHA. You earn two separate degrees. You get a JD degree and a Master of Health Administration degree. There is no such thing as a JD MHA degree. You get two separate degrees. The program is open to anyone with an undergraduate degree in any discipline. You do not need a healthcare background. None of the courses assume such a background and many students don't have any experience with healthcare either studying it or practicing it. Healthcare law as well you should know is one of the key areas of specialization for the law school and the law school hosts the DeHousie Health Law Institute. So there's lots of health law expertise at your disposal in the combined program. In terms of the MHA requirements, combined students can choose to do an MHA thesis or complete the MHA through coursework only. Lastly, I note that the MHA program is accredited through the Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Management Education, also known as CANI. This is an internationally recognized accrediting body. The School Health Amendment is only one of three such programs with this accreditation in Canada. So those are my opening remarks about the JD MHA program. I'd be delighted to field any questions that you have during the Q&A. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, so now we're going to move on to our Masters of Information with Janet Music. Hi there, you can hear me okay? We can. Okay, perfect. So hello my name is Janet Music and I am the program coordinator over at the School of Information Management. Specifically our degree is the Master of Information. The name is new, but the degree is quite well established. So the degree is 50 years old. Sim has been around for quite a while. But as Dr. Devlin was saying at the beginning of this session, our world is a lot more complex than it was 50 years ago. And so we changed the name to reflect that. So we're not just training librarians, we're training information managers. So with this degree, we're really trying to launch people's careers so that they can have a strong relationship with their clients, whether they're business, government, non-profit. We will connect you with alumni. We have a very strong alumni base and we also have strong ties to different professional communities that I will talk about in a moment. But currently we are one of eight programs in Canada that have the American Library Association accreditation. Every seven years we go through quite a significant process to update the degree to ensure that we meet with internationally renowned standards so that you know that your degree is transferable. So if you want to take your Master of Information degree and your JD degree and work in Scotland, you still will be accredited there. So our degree is really interdisciplinary. So we get a lot of undergrads coming right into the program, not a lot of work experience. That's not necessary. So we do have some older students, but generally speaking it's an interdisciplinary degree. And it has a lot of different courses that you can take. So if you are interested in risk management, if you're interested in privacy, if you're interested in information technology, or you're interested in legal librarianship, we have core and elective courses that would satisfy your interest in all of those areas. And so a big part of our degree is the practicum placement. And so I'm in the process of doing that now. Each cohort is about 40 students. So currently in our school we have just under 100 students. And every one of them is required, including the combined JD MI students to do a practicum placement. And of interest to our legal scholars, generally that takes place at a legal law firm library, or a legislative library. But it doesn't have to. So we also have placements that take place in government records management, in the Department of Justice, KPMG. So we have a lot of, and of course libraries and museums, but we have a lot of partners in these areas. So it's really where you want to take this degree. It's quite flexible. So similar to the MHA and the JD, you are, you can choose to do this course in two ways. So you can either start off in the MI, and you do your core courses. So we have eight core courses altogether. So you would do your first semester, four core courses, and your second semester would be two core courses and a couple of electives. And then you would move over to the JD. This is a four year program. So you're saving some time by doing a combined degree for sure. In total, you're going to do 12 courses through your MI, and 79 to 83 JD credit courses. So Randy can answer those questions about the JD courses. But that's typically how it takes place. And so really, our alumni in this area, they go on to be legal librarians, internet or media lawyers, intellectual property lawyers, federal or provincial clerks. So there's a lot of opportunity. So in terms of the mechanics, we, if you're applying to the programs, you have to apply for both programs. There is no GRE or GMAT. You would have to take the LSATS course. But really, if you want to, the scholarship deadline is March 1st. So you would have to get your application in by that time to be qualifying for scholarships. But it's been a strange year. So COVID is really kind of blown up our deadline. So if you feel like, you know, you get to July and you still haven't decided what you want to do with your life and you're still considering grad school, you can reach out to me and we can chat about some of your options for that. The typical student coming in has a 3.3 GPA in their undergrad. That's competitive. The cutoff is 3.0. The IELTS score is a bit higher than the Dalhousie average. We have it at an 8.0. And that's because there's a lot of reading requirements in our course. And you really need to have a command of the English language when you're doing this degree. Just want to set you up for success. And really, I'd just be happy to answer any questions you might have about our degree in the question period. But I think that covers everything that we want to say. Perfect. Thank you so much, Janet. And last but certainly not least, our NPA with Krista. Hi, everybody. You can hear me? We can. Okay. I'm with the School of Public Admin and the NPA program would be an excellent choice if we were looking to do, to combine some advanced skills and policy analysts. And that, sorry, analysis and management with training and law. I'll talk about our admissions. Our admissions, we look to have a 3.3 GPA coming in. And we accept all backgrounds. So all degrees are welcome. You need two academic references. And we accept the L stats in place of the GMAT and the GRE for international students. I think that's it. We need a letter of intent and a CV for me for the, the complete application package. Our program is 13, 13 courses. And the first year of the program, you would complete eight core courses. And then the remaining four, no, the remaining five would be do, you could do an internship during the summer before you start in at the loss with the law school. So our, our internship is, is competitive base, but we give you all the background in a professional development program that you will need to take during the first year as well. So for instance, we have alumni who are currently working in areas. We have some alumni working with the Dalhousie University. Janet Music is one of our alum. We have us alum working in the university secretariat. We also have alum in foreign affairs and trained development Canada. So there's, there's many areas that you could go with this MPA JD degree. We are accredited with CAPA and that's the Canadian Association of Programs in Public Policy. A lot of things have been said throughout this, everyone. And so I'm not sure, I'm more than happy to answer any questions that may come up. Okay, perfect. Yeah, there, there, there are, one of the things that you'll find throughout these is that there is a lot of overlap in kind of some of the criteria when it comes to applying and kind of where you can go. Overall, you do have to apply to each program separately, regardless of which program it is, you are accepted to each program separately. And then you become part of the combined program. If you, you know, as was mentioned previously, if you are accepted to one program and not the other, depending on the circumstance, you can always talk to us and there's usually the potential to be able to apply again, kind of while you're working on the first year of the other degree. One qualifier, I will just kind of say, because I know again, all of our programs are different. The JD, we still will require the LSATS. There is no if ands or buts about that. But, you know, as mentioned, some of the other programs will accept the LSATS in lieu of another test. So it is really important to kind of take a look at the other programs to see kind of what their criteria are. And in the chat, I've put in links to all the different websites and email addresses as well. We're going to get ready to kind of open this up for questions. So please, as I mentioned, just, you know, put things in the chat if you have any questions. But yeah, so please don't be shy. And again, thank you to everyone who is here tonight for this session. And kind of while waiting for some questions to come in, if anybody is a current applicant or is interested in one program or another, if you just want to throw that in the chat, just so we have kind of an idea of our breakdowns in our participants and our audiences tonight. So we do have a question here about how many students are typically in the JD and PA program each year? Chris, do you have a good sense of kind of? Well, this incoming year, we have one that will be going to the JD program in September. We have currently, I think, five or six in the program right at the moment. Perfect. And just while we're waiting for other questions in, is there a sense from the other programs as well as to kind of the current numbers of how many are usually in participating every year? We usually get, the MIJD, we usually have at least one person per intake, sometimes more. For us, oh, sorry. Who else is talking? For us, I mean, I think there's usually a handful of students. Like I said, I think there's about six in second year and maybe one or two, but possibly three that's applying in first year right now. So I'd say about a handful each year. Okay. For the MAJD, in the first year MAJ, there's typically about 15 to 20 students in the first year. Of them, there's usually around three or four JD-MHA combined students. And then the rest of course will be just MAJ-only students. Perfect. Thank you. And one thing I will kind of note, the majority of the people who participate in our combined programs, they typically start with the master's portion first before coming over to JD. And so in those situations, we do our best if the two or three people coming from a certain program want to be kind of put together. If we have those requests before we build our first year class, we can never make any guarantees, but we do our best to kind of keep everyone together because you make friends and we want to make sure that you are supported as possible throughout your JD. So we have a question here about the MBA program. The question is, did you say that the GPA requirement was a 4.0 and if the GPA requirement is not met, what can compensate for the low GPA? So our GPA requirement is 3.0 in terms of the way our application process works. If you meet the minimum requirement, we push you on to the second phase. So meet the minimum requirement and then submit all your additional documents. Then you would go on to the second portion, which is a scored interview. And that's the second portion. And if you pass that score interview, then we look at that point, we would look at your whole file. If you have below a 3.0, there is a couple of students that may get it at the end, but typically students, the average incoming GPA is a 3.3 to 3.6, typically. Perfect. Thank you. And one thing I will note, because I realize I had not said it before, for the JD program, the average GPA for successful candidates typically sits around a 3.7 on the 4.3 scale. We don't really have a minimum cutoff. We only ever kind of track our averages. So now we have a question in about the MHA program. Is healthcare law also focused on for the JD MHA? Okay, yes. So in terms of the MHA courses, in the first year of the MHA, there's a mandatory health law course, three credit course, which I teach. On the law school side of things, your first year law, all the curriculum is totally set for all students, whether you're an MHA student or an MPA student, it doesn't matter, all JD students do the same first year curriculum. And there are some courses in that first year that do touch on health law. But in terms of getting specialized in health law courses, that occurs in the upper year JD courses. So that'd be years three and four of the combined program, you'd be selecting among a number of different, in fact, a wide slate of health law courses, because health law is an area of specialization for the law school. So there's lots of those courses. And you can take certainly some of them, I do caution students in the combined program to try to make sure they take a nice cross section of courses, not just healthcare. So as I said before, when you graduate with your JD, you can practice in any area of law that you want health law or otherwise. As a result of that, you do want to take a whole bunch of different other courses, like labor law, family law, criminal law, and other sorts of courses as well, not just health law courses. But for sure, there's a healthy number of health law courses, no pun intended. Thank you. So question here is coming in about assuming acceptance to kind of both programs. What is there a process to inform the law school of the combination since the start date would move from fall 2021 to fall 2022 for the JD? Yes. Essentially, we just ask that you kind of keep us informed by emailing law.admissions.dow.ca. So when you get an offer from us, you can kind of let us know that you are a combined applicant, because it can also affect your deposit. So for the JD, the way that you secure your seat is by paying a $500 non-refundable deposit that is credited towards your fees. If you've already been accepted to one of the combined programs, you don't have to pay that fee for the law school because you're starting with the other program. So that's a benefit by telling us right away. But essentially, you just let us know, if you have already been accepted to us and you get an offer from the other school, just let us know and we will help you with the paperwork. It's a really simple form. And basically, the process is fairly simple about once you've been accepted to being coming part of the combined program and deferring your JD offer. All right. So we have a question about the JD MPA. So for the MPA, where would you say most people go for their work periods? Well, this year we have, it depends, it really depends year to year. We had a lot of students that actually stayed in Halifax this year and they worked with the provincial and the federal government. We had a few go to Ottawa. If there are positions out west, you could go up there, you go west and it's usually anywhere the three levels of government. Because it's a competitive nature, I was just pulling up my sheet to see where our jobs came from the ads. And last summer we had global affairs, Parks Canada, Health Canada, DND, the Ontario Provincial Government, Agriculture, Agri Foods, Akoa, the list goes on. Perfect. Thank you. So we have a question here. I'm in my second year of the MI program on the fence about applying for the combined JD program. Is it too late to apply for the JD combined? I will personally vouch for Alexis, she's wonderful. And I know she's been thinking about doing the law degree for a while. We had this conversation quite a while ago. And I'm a big dreamer. So I feel like if you can dream it, you can do it. So maybe we should talk offline about this. Because there's a lot of timing to go with this, Alexis. Like it's, there's law LSATs and applications. And I don't know that there's an easy answer for that one. Yeah, because usually, at least from my perspective, because there's a lot of factors involved, I mean, you can still at this point, you know, apply for the JD and we would take your MI marks into consideration for sure, whether or not the timing works to be able to get the benefit of doing it as a combined program is hard to say, because the benefit, the real benefit of the combined program is that you're kind of doing them at the same time. So yes, so please reach out to Janet and myself, and we can definitely have that conversation and see if it is still feasible at this point. But you can still definitely be considered for the JD. And I actually think I was looking at your application. Starting that process, maybe? No? Wait, no, we've talked though. Sorry, it's been a day. All right. Next question is what do tuition fees look like for these programs? Is this essentially more expensive for the combined years? Three and four, it looks like it from the website. Yeah, they essentially for it can vary a bit depending on funding and things like that, but essentially, yes, you're basically paying for each independent program. So the you are paying to do like a master's degree and you're paying to do the JD, you're just the benefit of saving a year or saving however long it takes. I will put in the chat the fee schedule that is provided by the university. And if you have questions, you can always reach out as well to our student accounts because they are the ones that set the fees and can give you a good breakdown of them. All right. So the next question from the JD program FAQs. For your GPA, we take into consideration either your overall GPA or your last 10 credits. The last 10 credits, if you're looking at the Dell-Hausi scale, essentially is your last 20 courses. One credit is or one course, half of a credit. So for us, when we look at your GPA, it is either focused on cumulatively or the most recent two years worth of courses, which is roughly about 20 courses. And whichever one of those is highest is the one we will use in your assessment. Thank you everyone for these questions as they're coming in. All right. Another one about the JD. For the two references needed, it says both should be academic. If one cannot provide two, please explain why. I was wondering if I was able to provide one academic reference and one professional reference, would I be penalized for doing so? No is kind of the short answer for that. The reason we prefer and have the requirement of two academic references is that they can kind of speak to your performance and your academic history, which is kind of one of the main things that we use, or not among the main, but one of the things that we use in assessing your application. If you are in a position when you cannot secure to and you've been in school within three years of applying, we just kind of want the context so that the committee can understand the reasoning as to just being like, you know, for some people, if they have an online course or an online degree, it's hard to get and build those relationships. So it's just being able to provide the context. As I like to say, control the narrative. So another question, what is the possibility for full scholarship or obtaining student loans for international interested applicants? I think it depends on each program. I'm going to flip this to the floor to see if anyone has any specific information from their perspectives. I can go. In terms of our program, we have a number of entrance scholarships available that international students would would be considered for. They range between five to 15,000. So wouldn't be a full scholarship, but it would be a scholarship. Thank you. I know from kind of the JD perspective, we have a number of entrance scholarships that, you know, so if you've been accepted to the combined program and you're deferring your offer, when you defer your offer, kind of the way it works is usually in November, kind of of that year, we will send you a renewed offer. And at that point, you would be applying for entrance scholarships. So there is the potential to get funding for at least that portion. And the majority of our entrance scholarships are available to international applicants. Once you're at the law school, there is additional funding opportunities as well throughout your first, second and third year. Well, if you're in the combined, it'd be potentially your second, third and fourth year. In terms of the MHA, there are a limited number of relatively modest scholarships, entrance scholarships for the MHA program. And they would not at all approach the full scholarship. And then Brandy just spoke to the JD side of things. All right. So the next we have here, I've been admitted to the JD program. Congratulations. But I'm considering now applying to the MI. It sounds fantastic. Another scholarship question, I've already applied for entrance scholarships for the JD program. If hypothetically, I were to get a scholarship for the JD program and get admitted to the MI program, would I forfeit that scholarship? And the answer is yes for that year. We do not defer scholarships for the basic reason of, you know, you would have the potential of when you apply again, or when you are offered again to potentially get a bigger scholarship. So we don't want to secure that money for the next year, so that you have the opportunity to potentially get a better scholarship opportunity. But you will have the chance to be able to apply for other JD scholarships when you start. But if a student gets a JD scholarship and not an MI scholarship, though we do have some scholarships available on our website, could they potentially start the JD program first to keep their scholarship for that year and then do the MI? So the way I understand it, the JD scholarships would only be able to cover the years of doing the JD. So if they were to start with the JD, it would pay for that year and then it depends on the scholarship in question. But if they go to do the MI, then that wouldn't be, it wouldn't be covered during that year. Another reason that it's great to start with your master's program. All right, next question. Do you look at the undergrad or do you look at the graduate degree, degree's GPA or only the undergrad? I'll start quickly with from the JD perspective and then we'll flip it for the other departments. But for us, we do take graduate GPAs into consideration as well as your undergrads. So I will go. So I believe FGS just considers undergrad marks for master's degrees. So even if you have another master's degree, because the scale is different, so an undergrad scale goes from, you know, an F to a D, C, B, A. Graduate degrees typically only go to B to an A. So it's not really a comparable. So a C in an undergrad would be a failure in a graduate. So if you're not comparing like to like. So generally speaking, we get the applications first, we do the GPA calculation. Now, if your GPA does not hit 3.0, which is the minimum cutoff, but you have a graduate degree with excellent marks, we will take that into consideration when we send everything up to FGS because they get the final word. So we'll look at your whole package, your essay that you write, your resume, your references. But really for to get into the MI, and I believe it's for all the graduate at DAL, your undergrad is the one that is the main GPA calculation. Okay, perfect. All right, the next question. MBA has a lower GPA requirement than the JD program. So it is applying for a combined program and keep increased the odds of admission in comparison to applying to the JD program alone. At least from the JD perspective, not really in that we don't talk to the other departments during the application process. Although this does remind me if anybody, sorry, I'm going on tangent, I apologize, if anybody is applying to another to a master's program and would like their LSAT to be considered instead of in lieu of another test for those that will accept it, you have to email us at the law.admissions.dal.ca to give us permission to share your LSAT score. So that is very important. So I'm glad I remembered that. But going back on topic, we don't really talk between us because our application processes are separate. And as such, we all have our own different criteria as they were mentioned. The benefit comes in is that say you were accepted to the MBA or MHA or MI or MBA and not to the JD program, you could start that degree and then reapply to the JD program. And we would use those marks as you're getting them from your master's in your calculation because we do use graduate marks. And that will help kind of bolster your GPA, which will help your chances of getting in on your second round. And anyone want to add anything to that? Is that right? Yeah, I was going to say, I think you hit like, you know, all the points in terms of, you know, the processes in terms of getting into our program is very separate into each program. So the idea is you apply to both programs, it's a separate application to both. And then, you know, then you let us know that you want to be considered as a joint student. So, yeah, the GPA is a requirement. I'd say there's, you know, a handful of students each year that are taking our program and then trying to reapply to law school and get in. So it's a common practice to try while you're in your MBA. Perfect. Thank you. All right, the next question. Does the HUSU reserve seats in the JD program for students from Atlantic Canada? For us, when we build our first year class, our first year class is typically 170 students. We pull from, we try to pull roughly about 50-50 from two different applicant pools. We have a resident applicant pool, which is anybody from the Atlantic provinces and from the territories. And then we have everybody else. So just based on the number of, kind of the number of applicants per pool, you do have a slight benefit being from the Atlantic region. But over the last couple of years, the stats, the average LSAT and average GPA has been very similar for each applicant pool. But we don't necessarily reserve seats. We try to aim for 40 to 50% being from the Atlantic region. Do the other programs kind of have any kind of process like that? Well, the MI program, we don't have a quota system per se. It really depends on the size of the amount of applicants. 40 people in a cohort is a comfortable cohort. If we get larger than that, then classes start to become lose that intimacy of having a graduate level class. But it's hard to predict, right? So some years you get many, many applications and then some years you don't. So I wouldn't worry about that when you're applying. Just make your best application and go from there. I wouldn't worry about the competition. It is competitive, but you can't do anything about that. So you just have to work on making the best and strongest application that you can. Yeah, MHA program also does not have any quotas. As I say, we have a first year cohort of about 25 students. So yeah, you just make your put in your best application and we assess it on an individual basis. Perfect. Yeah, I was going to say the same for us. No specific quota for any area. All right. It's the same for the MPA. We don't have any specific quota. Perfect. Sometimes I just like asking questions that I don't know the answers to. So thank you. I'm learning so much tonight. Secretly the reason we did it. No, it's not. So next question I'm going to open up to everyone is how does retaking an undergrad class look on an application? If the grade is low on the first time. Example, if you have a steep minus and then retake the course and get an M. So this I think is one of those other technical questions that would have to do with graduate studies. And I don't know that we can double count a course. So I actually don't even if you go to Dalhousie think you can take the same course twice. You can if you fail the course and get an F, you can retake it. But if you get a grade you don't like, I don't think you can take the same course with the same code. So I don't know that's not come up in the time that I've been doing this. So I can't say for sure. Certainly an A looks better than a C minus, but similar to the JD at the MI we count the last 20 credits. So they have to be upper level courses, you know, 3000 and 4000 levels. So even if you took, you know, a course in your second year and you've got a C minus, we're not probably going to look at that anyway, as long as you have 20 credits that are 3000 and above, right. So that's a very technical question that I think would have to be looked at person to person. I don't necessarily know what the answer to that is. Okay. I will speak quickly to that about the JD. When it comes to retaken courses, we won't look at your second mark, we will only ever take the original grade in your calculation. The committee will see it and as part of our holistic review, they'll be able to see the improvement. But, you know, for an academic assessment, it is always the original mark. So we always recommend that if you are looking to upgrade your GPA, that your best bet is really to take additional or new courses rather than retaking old ones. But yeah. So question here. Hi, I'm interested in the JD MBA program. Does the program slash university help you with networking and career guide? Well, we are in school. Thank you. Awesome. Actually, I think the first day, I think part of the title of the first day of orientation is networking. So, you know, our director Dan would say that if you don't know how to network at the end of an MBA, you're never going to know how to network. So it's definitely a primary focus of the program and something that they help our students develop because there's obviously you could say the word and tell yourself you need to network, but there's a skills that come along with that. So I'd say a big part of our MBA program is teaching you the career skills such as networking. We also do, you know, the first part of the program starts off with, you know, straight face testing, personality testing, getting to know your goals, all those kinds of things. And then figuring out how our career management service team in the program can help you reach those goals. You know, and like I said, that career management service team, you know, helps you through the process of applying to your corporate residency, and that process of going through and getting prepared for that interview. So it's doing such as interview prep, cover letter prep, all of those things that you'll take on post MBA portion of your degree will be beneficial. So I'd say there's a high level of focus on that career networking. We have a module-based program that runs threader program that's focused on management and leadership skills as well. So that's a big focus that you would be able to take as a MBA student as well. Perfect. Thank you. And from the JD kind of perspective on that, we do have a dedicated career development team that will help you kind of through the process, whether it is for networking or for resumes, interview prep, we do a lot of mock interviews. But one thing I will say as soon as our career team finds out that somebody is in the joint programs, but you know, as Jenna was saying, with the MBA, they're not worried because they will have picked up at least some of or most of all of the skills needed for networking before they even get to the law school. I don't know if any of us can answer that question for the law school. Sorry, I'm here. But what I missed, sorry. You cut off halfway through. Oh, okay. Yeah. So for us, we have a great career development office that will help throughout the entire time you're here with us. But they definitely don't need to worry as much when it comes to our combined students because, you know, they get a lot of that experience on the master's side. But they're here to help throughout. Sorry about that. I don't know what happened. And I'll just cut in here with regard to the master's health administration. Yes, there's lots of help with networking. We have an executive in residence position. So we have a prominent healthcare leader who works with the students in all years of the MHA in terms of connecting them with people they should be speaking to and giving career advice and running mock interviews and all those sorts of things. So there's lots of networking opportunities and lots of ways to get you prepared to hit the bricks looking for a position. Did anybody else? And was there any kind of last minute questions? I unfortunately lost my chat history when my thing caught up. I don't see any, Randy. The last entry is. Perfect. So unless there's any last questions that were coming in, I again want to thank everyone for coming. And I'm going to put everybody on the spot right now. And if you have any last information or advice that you would like to share with our participants, Mike, you're currently big on my screen. So I'm going to put you on the spot first. Okay. I don't think I mentioned in my main presentation application deadlines. Randy can give you the JD deadlines for the MHA. The deadline if you want to be considered for scholarships is April 1 to apply for the MHA. If you don't meet the April 1 deadline, it is not at all uncommon to accept applications after April 1. And sometimes it goes well into the summer when we accept applications. That's on the MHA side. On the JD side, though, the tie lines are a little bit tighter. And did you already speak to those, Randy? I don't think so. Our final application deadline is February 28. We just had our early admissions deadline yesterday. And anyone that met that deadline will be considered for early admissions and scholarship consideration. And the end of our process, all decisions are made by the end of June. I think for us, I just want to thank everyone for coming out. I think, you know, next steps for us if you're interested in our program is reaching out to myself. And if you have specific questions, I'm happy to answer them. I am planning to update our events page on our website with some more information sessions specific to our program come the winter months. So that's something to look forward to. We've been able to host some virtual classrooms. So having prospective students drop in on current classes as well. So that's something that I'm hoping to do next semester as well. So yeah, I look forward to keeping in touch with all the students interested in the MBA JD program. And I guess for, you know, what we like to say at SIM is that we're a small school, but, you know, we like to think big. And so if you're really considering at all doing a joint program to reach out. And if you have any further questions in the winter, I believe it's February, we will be having an open house, which is quite similar to what we're doing here, but just just am I. So you're welcome to come to that. And of course, check the website and send me any questions you may have with the program. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, everyone. This was very interesting. I learned a lot as well. Interested in the MAJ personally. Sounds like a great program for myself. Our application deadline is June the first, but we do accept into the into the summer. So if you would like to reach out, you can reach out to me and you can reach out to the Dow LPA account. We're also having a conference in January if you want to attend and it's a student led conference. You're more than welcome. The information will be on our website. Thanks. All right. Thank you again, everyone. If you have any questions about JD, please feel free to reach out to us or email address is law.admissions at dow.ca. I will say because of our deadline that just passed, please be patient with responses. But we will definitely reach out and are happy to talk to anybody that has questions. But yeah, and I want to thank again our lovely panel who have shared a lot of information. I know I also learned a lot. And yeah, thank you again for everyone who came out tonight. Great. Take care. Bye, everyone. Thanks, Randy.