 Fellows, can you believe it has been two? Six months since the last episode? Oh! It was in February. A lot happened between there. A lot has happened. And we're only, of course, gonna be talking about one thing and padding it out to an hour and a half podcast episode. With 10 questions. With 10 questions. Fazbear Fortunes questions. Two, two, two, two. I wonder if I could do like a live game show in the pod. You could do that. You could do that, that would be fun. I did think it would be cool to do like, take like Buzzfeed quizzes, or like Trivia quizzes. Like, which FNAF character are you live on the pod? Yeah, those stupid ones we just pull up like, mid among us. Yeah, like one of those. I wanna dedicate a whole episode to just taking crap like that. That would be cool. The hottest dog and I have grinded, there's one quiz, I can't remember what platform it's on, but it's like every single FNAF character from every game. And it gives you like 15 or 20 minutes, just like type them all out. Oh my gosh. And one day, one day, I can't, it's definitely not all of them. Cause it groups in like FNAF World Enemies as one group. Oh. But one day, I'm gonna get 100% and then I'll be the true King of FNAF. Dude, that could be a speed running category. It could be a speed running category. At some point it's just a typing challenge. So, Austin, I know you had stuff you wanted to show off. Mark, you had stuff you wanted to show off. We can do a quick show and tell for the audience at home. Nah, I was just gonna wait to show off these fricking, I can go, listen, books, I was talking about them. Oh, I was, this tragedy of $35. The tragedy. It's not that much tragedy. It's a tragedy. I mean, this is amazing. But I mean, there's some stuff I could show off. I just didn't need to go grab it. I think you- You don't have it? Oh my good God. Don't go and get it. You took like 10 minutes to go and grab stuff. What happened? We gave you so much time. I was setting up my computer. No, what do you want to go get? Actually, I don't have anything. Okay. Okay. Oh, wow. Listen, I got the Vanny mug that I can randomly drink out of during the fall. Yeah, that's like- Guys, if you're watching the video, put all the timestamps when pinball drinks all the mugs. Like jump scares at this timestamp, but it's instead, oh yeah, pinball drinks Vanny mug at 1814. I want you to timestamp every time one of us does a book. Wake up, drink out of Vanny, go back to bed. Wake up, stick my feet in Vanny. Go back to bed, play FNAF, repeat. Okay. Anyways, fellas, this episode is talking about FNAF Ruin, which is not the one they canceled, apparently. I was my understanding. Scott himself said, isn't that the one we just canceled? No. And I have brought on two of the most people-y people in the world. First up, got underscore, underscore, score. Whoo! Noticed by Louis Dacos himself. Yeah, you played the sound bit. Under, underscore, pinball. Quick, boot it up, we need to hear it. Pinball, hit it, hit it, hit it! Unda, underscore, score. Dude, I'll never find the clip again, but I'm just happy we have the sound bite. Search the whole like 24 hour stream. Dude, aw. Austin's been on the show for every episode so far, unfortunately, the newcomer this time, Mr. Pimball. Hello, people. It's me, Mr. Pimball. I know he hesitated stealing your line right there. Every single time, I'm like, Pimball, go. Hello, people of each night. It's not your catchphrase. I needed a bad one, I needed a bad one. I mean, he is, see on the flip side, but that's at the end, you know? Which you also stole. You also just steal Markiplier's every once in a while, like, oh, my name is Markiplier. Markiplier. Yeah, we do just revert to this Markiplier pinball. I started saying boardiplier, which, so it just gets progressively worse as it goes on. Gosh. We have a few bullet points we wanna talk about with Ruin. We got quite a few, they go kind of in-depth, so quite frankly, I'd say let's just jump right into it. All right. Anyone wanna pick from our patented list of topics to start off with, or we could just do general thoughts on Ruin? Let's do one out of 10. How did we each feel about Ruin in general? You go first, Mr. I shall start with it. Yes. Me to go first. Okay, dude, Ruin, Ruin was awesome. I think it was sick and way better than Secret of Reach. Initially, so I'm gonna say fricking, I'm gonna give it, is it crazy to give it a nine? A nine? It's crazy to give it a nine out of 10. A nine out of 10. How about you justify the nine and we'll judge you on whether or not it deserves that rating? Justify the nine. Ruin's hard, it's hard to say why, dude, you should go. Okay, so just in your heart. I'll put it in you. Okay, I think Ruin for me was a solid like seven. Which is still pretty good. It's a little bit lower than a nine, but I think it's still pretty good. Some of the parts I enjoyed the most were seeing all the new characters interact. And some of the parts I hated the most were, what did I hate about Ruin? Well, the gameplay was a little repetitive. I know that's something we wanna talk about later on. That was one of the, yeah. Maxis didn't seem like much of a threat even though he was kinda hyped up quite a bit. And, I mean, it's also got the mimic, but that's a plus. That is a plus, that is a win. Even though the day before, I put out my final Ruin predictions and I will admit I was one of the people who was not expecting the mimic. And I said, I don't think the mimic's gonna show up in a Ruin. And then my Goofyah looked like a Goofyah. Just did show up. On my bingo board, I did put there will be no useful tales references. That was very wrong. I'm very happy that we got that. You know what, I will bounce off you. It is less threatening, the game. Like it has scary parts, but you don't feel like you are imminently in danger all the time. Cause the Maxis is honestly hard to kill you, to get it to kill you. Because he doesn't really kill you. It takes a while for you to die to it. He sounds either Monty or Cheek to come, eventually come to you like 40 seconds later. Right, right. It takes a bit. You did remind me, and very quickly, then we'll move on to Marks out of 10. There was no Rose Bobby Dot, man. Sad, just sad. No Rose Bobby Dot. Which I think, which that does mean we're now three out of three episodes referencing Rose's abundantly noticeable Bobby Dots. Which we gotta keep the streak alive. Anyway, pinball, what is your one out of 10? It's your 10. I'm gonna give it a 7.5. I played it on PC and I got to enjoy beautiful graphics. And I thought, I liked that it was more linear. I didn't like the Max open world thing full of bugs. There was a, all the bugs are fixed in this game, which I heavily enjoyed that fact of that it's a functioning game. Big props to all you made a game. Made a game this time. Big props to Steele for turning, walking into a wall into a mechanic. Luffin was freaking out about that. I thought though, I thought it was, there were some definitely tense moments that I thought were really good. Like Monty jumping out at you from the sewer and then the big title screen. Oh, that was great. That was very good. Yeah. The minute was definitely very cool. Definitely great way to end it. The endings were cool, I guess, except for the Brazil ones, through Brazil. The O2, the O2 were very cool. It's insane to say that, oh yeah, you know that FNAF ending, the Brazil ending. The Brazil ending, where everyone goes to Brazil. Yeah, that's crazy. To say, to be able to say. I don't know, it was pretty good. Pretty good. I thought it was better than security breach and fixed what security breach failed on. So what's everyone's ranking for security breach relevant to their ranking for ruin? You know what I mean? Cause I think we're all gonna agree security breach is worse than ruin, but how much worse? Awesome. Your floor. Yeah, your floor. I gave ruin a nine. I'm gonna give security breach, you know what, in retrospect, I'm gonna give security breach like a 6.5. It feels bad, man. It feels bad, but after seeing ruin, I don't think I can put security breach that high anymore. Montecal walks. Mazer size. What? Mazer size, Austin. You can't. Think about mazer size. Think about mazer size. How much lower does that break? Now that you remember the mazer size puzzle? Yeah, the mazer size key. I didn't even know how to get into Roxanne's area for like five, 10 minutes till someone told me. So tucked away. Pinball? Mark, where'd you go? Security breach, security breach is a video game that I played on launch. I like how there's a recap before you go into your... So security breach came out 2021. I took like five minutes to install it, then I started playing. I thought it was cool. I really, really enjoyed the game. I fell in love with it. Let the start at daycare. And then I entered the atrium. Then I entered the atrium. And I kind of fell down from there. Didn't really like it that much. Took me a few days to beat it because I had forced myself to play it. And it was good. The ending was fine. The ending was cool. I liked the different endings. I'm gonna give it like a six. Okay. I'm being generous because I like five minutes of Freddy's. So unlike some other people. Right. You're a follower, Johnny. What do you think of security? After playing Ruin, it definitely... I know, what does John Block's opinion on? What's it gonna say? Whoa. After playing Ruin, it definitely does make me realize just how on hindsight, maybe I gave Security Breach too much love and affection. I still really liked the game. I would have probably given it like a seven. Which is what I've given Ruin. Security Breach main game. Yeah. It's probably, it's not that much lower. I still really enjoy it. I do think if I had to choose only one FNAF game to replay, then I could only play for the rest of my life. It'd probably still be Security Breach, especially since Ruin is involved with it now. But I'd probably give it like a six. I don't know. Okay, so average six is all around for Security Breach and anything above seven for Ruin is what we got. Maybe someone's a bit low for Ruin, but I did run into a few bugs myself, mainly probably because I had the graphics on like the highest possible thing. So my load times were like off the charts. Someone called me out on that in the comments and I was like, I mean, you're true, but like I want the highest graphics. Did you manage to skip an entire section like Map Hat Game Theory? No, God damn it, Map Hat from Game Theory. Dude, oh my God. I was so tilted when him and Tom were like, you know, guys, I think we're about to skip the whole section for the entire rest of the video without bothering to go back and check and look. And I think they still haven't even done that for the stream. They've probably gone back and looked at it on their own. I think it would have been so funny if like the newest Game Theory was like, here's a lot of unanswered questions and those questions got answered in that section. He called it out in the video. He was like, oh yeah, apparently we skipped a whole section that had the juiciest of lore. Yeah, there was so much lore. Like it was Roxy's area, right? There was all the Gregory missing posters and basically Cassie's backstory and he skipped it. He skipped it all. And then the rest of his play theory is like, how do these two know each other? I don't know what these theories are about. Oh, what was that one clip on Twitter where he was talking about the green color and it was like, Charlie's green and everyone's freaking out because whenever you bring up Charlie or, yeah, people love modern theorists, right? Oh my God. Speaking of theories, we've gotten kind of our general thoughts out of the way. One of the topics who kind of briefly touched upon was the endings. And I kind of want to jump straight to that because I feel like that's one of the more intriguing parts of the lore for ruin. It is. So, fellas, do they canonically go to Brazil? I think someone put it best, isn't it, it's a reference to the movie, right? You know the movie I'm talking about. Do you want to tell the movie's feel about what the Brazil ending is for people who weren't, who were born after 2000? From what I understand, it's you have created this false, fantasy world that's great when you're an agonizing, you know, like a bad situation. That's how the movie sort of ends. And then, you know- What movie is this? Brazil, the movie's titled Brazil, at least in some, some decades ago. I don't know. Some decade, oh yeah, no. Yeah, sure. That's obviously what Stuart was going with. That's why I said anyone born after 2000. Listen, listen, I'm just, I'm just gonna run off of Paco 6. 1985 pinball. Oh, 1985, is that the date? Is that the date, Joey? Obviously not. It must have released June 26th as well. Now, I think, I think there's a possibility it's based on the, it's British. Or it's a joke name, or it's a joke name. It bombed at the box office. So what you're telling me is, it's just the cope ending, or she just copes. Yeah, copes, and she's just, she lives in this magical fantasy world, where she's like, guys, I got it, okay. It's me, Gregory. Yeah. Now let's move on to the other two endings, because that one was just sort of a joke ending. These two are important. I did like that Fredbear, was what started the ending. The 70s Fredbear cut out? 70s Fredbear cut out, that was cool. If it was Freddy, I wouldn't care. Damn. Dude, out. Way to call shots at my man's Freddy. The main man, Freddy Fazbear, is gonna smite you down. That's about the other two. Floor zero is joining. You have to talk about one of the remaining two endings. Well, I'll take the Brazil ending. Wait, we should talk about that one. No, literally. I was still looking at it to repeat a page. The scooper ending, fellas, obviously, obviously the scooper ending, it has the scooper as it looks exactly like it does in sister location, of course. And it also, it mimics the burn trap ending, guys. Did you see the parallels between the- I didn't see that. It does look just like it. I didn't see that. Yeah, I saw that. So my theory about the scooper ending is that, obviously, it's the scooper. I thought it was a very underwhelming ending. I think all the endings were kind of underwhelming. I thought the one that everyone else got. Just say the canon ending. I thought the canon ending was cool because it builds up throughout the whole game and you're like, oh my God, this is what was actually happening. And then the big thing happened. And then it was crazy. That was kind of cool, but I kind of wish it. I know, it just didn't end in a... Maybe the main thing was that it said elevator crash like five whole seconds before it actually happened. Oh no, did your subtitles freak up? I did, I saw that too. No, it's always like that. The subtitles at the end of that game, which is why everyone's like, did Gregory actually betray them or was it the mimic? The subtitles are delayed. So they happen a bit before the actual audio happens. They just freak up. That kind of sucks, I guess. Which is why at some point there's two overlaps of Gregory dialogue because it's at a sink. You know what? We didn't put that down, but we're gonna have to talk about that. What? If it's Gregory or the mimic. I don't think we have to. I think it's clearly Gregory. Yeah. Well, yeah. Okay, there's two ways to look at that. You know what? You should... If one of the pieces of evidence is the two stacking dialogue, that's all in evidence. There's two other things that people use evidence, which you should explain even if you don't believe it. I should explain? No, Mark. Oh, sure. Okay, so you're charging this elevator, right? You're charging the elevator with the little things, right? As the mimic is chasing you incredibly slow. Guess what is right below that box, that thing you saw? It is a battery, right? And two, there's just a battery. So you walk in and then Gregory tells you, sorry, Cassie, gotta let you go. And so what the mimic could do is you could just unplug it. Cassie pulls straight down. You just plummet. That's a piece of assumption, though. There's just a giant box right next to the mimic that powers the box. Yeah, one of the main points of assumption is that Gregory cannot drop your elevator, but the mimic can. Because he's right next to what powers it. That's the mimic's explanation. Then you have Gregory. Gregory, it's called Gregory in the Files versus Greg. And that's a big thing, even though there's a couple of things, the files that have went badly, on Switch, Burntrap's called the true ending, even though it's Princess Quest. Oh yeah, we haven't even talked about that. That's what I thought this category was. It's talk about which of those endings was canon, not this one. True. Then Cassie was called the princess and I was removed, so that's questionable as well. So I think it's still up for debate. I think it's still up for debate. You can make basis claims like I do. Wait, what was this like in evidence? Oh. What are you using? He said there were two. Oh, you said the power box? There's a few different evidences ranging from evidence to cope. Some other ones I've heard are... Just want the evidence to go. The speaker twinges out right around the end and then Gregory shifts like tone. So it's like the mimic took over mid-speaking of Gregory. No, the files, though the files say Gregory, not Grimmick. And at that point, the mimics already getting all glitched out. So him going like completely normal again with this dialogue. The cope for that one is why would they ruin this? Why would they spoil the ending? You gotta wait till the next game to figure out what happened. No, it's just the ending. That's the cope for it. That's major cope. I think it's Gregory. But there's some argument. I think Gregory betrayed us. I don't know if he cut the elevator, but he didn't tend to leave us. Yeah, he was gonna leave us no matter what. But who cut the elevators of her debate? Okay. So I don't know why people ignore Gregory and Vanessa have so much control over the Pete'splex that they could probably still have just dropped that elevator. Yeah. So my whole thing was it's Gregory talking on the intercom, but it switched to... Anyways. Moving on, whatever. Princess Quest ending. No, I don't care. Frankly. Oh my God, when the Freddy Fazbear birthday song came on. And the Princess Quest theme in the long tunnel. I was not expecting such direct confirmation of endings. I thought they were gonna keep that very locked down, but no, they pretty clearly outlined Princess Quest happened. All these other drawings are just drawings by Gregory. How do you guys feel about getting such direct confirmation with that ending? Do you think it fits? This is great. I think it's great. I think it's great. I thought it's a little on that, you know, the fully animated one, not Canadian one. We'll talk a bit about Burntrap ending. We will still need to do that. True, true. I mean, there's an argument to me that it's both, but I thought it was very cool of the Princess Quest ending was given, like there's a sword in the Princess Creed. That was very cool. That was very cool. And then there's the stuff on the wall as well. I thought it was cool. I thought it was very cool. I missed all of that on my first playthrough. I watched right by it and did not put the mask on it after. You didn't put the mask on? You didn't actually have it on because you need to go through the tunnel? Or maybe I, I bet I immediately took it off and just looked around. That's funny. See, yeah, it is awesome that they confirmed Princess Quest and I feel like, you know, dates back to that old Scott quote that he makes things way more clear in the next game with clues. You know what I mean? I've seen people wondering if Burntrap was intended to be the true ending all along. A lot of people are making points of whether this was always going to be the way and then they kind of changed it. So I'm not sure if because of the Burntrap true ending stuff is really weird, but it's Princess Quest. So I can't tell if they changed which ending was going to be canon or if it was very poor execution in security reach with the initial endings, you know? I think there's definitely an argument for that. They put a lot more like, you can feel a lot more like true ending intention in the Burntrap ending. Because it's the one where you see after all the animated crap. And you get, yeah, all the animated cut scenes and the blob tangle. That's the only thing I think in around this era that could have actually been changed. Everything else, it feels like this has been the plan all along, right? Yeah. So one thing that really, I just remember it when we were talking about this, the blob shows up for like one second in ruin. Do you think they should have elaborated on him a bit more? Or do you think he shouldn't have showed up at all? What do you think it's doing? No screen time. What's the deal with the good old blob, man? Good old tangle. Mark, you wanna spill? Sure. I thought the blob didn't really need a whole lot. I thought just his presence alone was very, I mean, they should have given him more screen time. Because I missed it during my playthrough. Yeah, I saw a lot of people missing. It's very missable. It's so missable. I was watching Psych Extreme and I saw, it was very missable. They should have given him more screen time. He should have been able to see it before he goes away. Right. Yeah. I thought that was the only thing. I don't think they should go into like his old origin. Maybe Tails is for that. Tails has been like, Johnny, have you seen how if you read through the epilogues of Tails, the word tangle shows up a surprising amount. I did see that on Twitter. So it's like probably the bodies and corpses and endos of a lot of dead stuff in the FFPS location. That's what the blob is. Probably. Probably. A lemonade clown. But. No, fruit punch clown, too. Fruit punch clown. I had to hand the knee on jukebox. And gumballs, too. Yeah, yeah. All those guys. Candy could have, we did that okay though. Candy could have. Even if the blob got very little actual screen time, it's really helpful for theorists that it got a bit of screen time because I guarantee you, if it did not show up in this game, people would think the burn trap ending that burn trap didn't exist and the blob didn't exist. Does that make sense? That makes sense. Cause if we didn't know that one existed, you would think that the whole thing was just his imagination. Which is a good question. I'm gonna say, I feel like the blob and burn trap did exist, even if the ending isn't canon. So what actually happened if the ending didn't happen as we see it? Any pitches, any thoughts? Johnny, what do you feel about burn trap and the blob? I think, the thing about me is that I've not. Yeah, I'm throwing a more question out to the person who doesn't. Maybe full disclaimer to some people who maybe don't watch a lot of my content or just don't know my general thoughts on the lore. I couldn't care less what happens with the lore. I've not read any of the Tales books. I've read the first Fright's book and that's it. So, lore is not really my discussion thing. You read the trilogy too, guys. Yeah, I did read the trilogy. You put too many more relevant questions down for this. I didn't. These were all pinballs questions. I just grouped them all together. Oh, yeah. Good job then. Well, pinball, what do you think about burn trap and the blob? What actually happened with them in Scootreach? I think, if the burn trap anything did happen, it would explain why the mimic has missing all the stuff the burn trap has. Mimic! We're gonna make, some might call it the bold claim that burn trap is the mimic. You could, well, you could make that claim. You could make that claim. Actually, not Johnny Lorehead. How do you feel? Is burn trap the mimic? Well, the safest option I've seen from Twitter is yes, guys, obviously. Doi. Doi. Doi. Doi. Yeah, just take what Twitter says. It just seems like the safest option from what I've seen. His burn trap is not in Scootreach or Ruin. Yeah. Well, he does show up in the comic strip, but. Yeah. So, Mark, what are the scenarios that are possible with the burn trap ending? There's two scenarios. If it did happen, if it did happen, there's always two. If it did happen, as the blob reaches up, grabs burn trap, takes him out. It kind of destroys him. I mean, there was a fire going on. It freaks him up. It really destroys him up. So, all that's left is the base endo. The mimic. And somehow, I could guess that all of this caused an earthquake. So, all this seismic activity caused an earthquake and it led to all this stuff. That's why the peace flex is just ruined. Guys, that's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You guys don't think. That's why it's called the Rune Day, I'll say. That'd be crazy. True. That'd be crazy. That's crazy. I mean, I still don't like the, going from underneath Roxanne Raceway to the FFES location is now significantly larger than when it was before. And that was interesting to me. There's this whole lake with red, it was red for some reason. The lake is such a pretty area. It's so beautiful. It's very cool. Wait, the lake was not, it was blue. It, is it red? It was literally blue. Mark. This blood's trying to be like, oh, is that, or, are you trying to say it's the OMC place? I know why he's saying it. I've seen some people try to connect it to OMC. Yeah. Is it actually red or are people coping? That thing's insanely blue. I can picture it. It is very blue. FNAF. Maybe the walls are blue, but maybe not the water. Maybe the, yeah, the walls are red, okay. No, no, no, maybe the walls are blue, and the water's red. I haven't seen it in three weeks. I think Ruin's been out for three weeks. I haven't seen it. It's almost a month, yeah, three weeks. Okay. That's crazy. Ruin. Fair enough, fair enough. My bad, my bad guys. There are no pictures on Google. Shout out to Google. Of the Ruin Lake. Ruin Lake. It's not a cave. It's not the lake that cancels it. I feel like I would have remembered if the lake was red. If it was red. Yeah. There was like a blood cave just right outside of the gas. A pool of blood from all the limbs that were ripped off. Ripped off. So I think there's two ideas. I think there's two nice ideas. Okay, so that's the way it's said, but then there's also the idea that it just, that just didn't happen. And the storyteller made it up. The milk. Then the stuff below is what it truly did, what the environment truly was in the milk. Just didn't create that. The really annoying part about that whole area is that the collapsed entrance, like right outside of FFPS, matches the cut scene very closely. And then you go to the burn trap rooms and they're so tidy and neat. As if the collapse happened, but then the rooms where the blob took him did not happen. Which you know what? I mean, yeah, let's just say I'm gonna pitch what I think is probably what happened. Burn trap did not fricking abduct, or blob did not abduct burn trap. It just kind of tunneled out and burn trap took off the suit or whatever. And it's just the mimic down there till Vanessa and Gregory go harass it for a bit. I think that's a good case, honestly. I think there's a chance that that happened. Maybe Gregory saw the blob and was like, that thing probably just murdered burn trap. But why would it keep it down there? I don't know. Why would he build this whole system? I think Gregory just ran away. I don't know how he got away with a one-way elevator, but he somehow got away. Okay, it's never been a one-way elevator. Did you not play the game? Johnny, call this man out. No, no, no, no, no. They say it's a one-way elevator, but in every ending, more than one person is able to take the elevator. Roxy gets down there after we do. Every glam rock shows up in the burn trap ending. I don't know what you want. You think they'd sit and wait in the elevator? That'd be so funny. As the music plays, do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Roxy is just Monty with no legs, just jamming out, bobbing his head to the tune. Dude. He has a faz-fat come on. He's like, Freddy. Freddy. See, I think we've got one more point for endings if you guys are all set. Okay, okay. With endings. What about the scuba one? Did we talk about that a lot? We talked a bit about it. We kind of talked about it, yeah. We'll come back to the costumes when we talk about the mimic. The mimic. The mimic. Every time we say mimic, I will put on the Mr. Beast image of the mimic. The mimic. And if that gets annoying, pfft, deal with it. Yeah, deal with it. Anyways, point number five I thought was interesting for two reasons. Number one, it is our pitching point for how we think this is going to lead into the next game, Help Wanted 2 releasing later this year. And also, Pinball put down how does this affect FNAF Into Madness? Now I want to start off with that because at this point, I think if people are still saying Into Madness is coming out, that might be a little bit of copium going on here, but Pinball, these stage is yours. Hold on. He's got to wind up his intro here. It's salvaging time. Time to salvage what he put. I have to salvage this. I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance unless Secure to Breach, he said that in 2018. I think there's a chance Secure to Breach could be that. Secure to Breach was not Into Madness. They were two different bullet points on the mega thread. You do realize we've gotten Into Madness in the files at some point, right? Do you know where we got Into Madness in the files? In Balloon World. Right. Does that not? No, I know that exists. But like, we're talking about a whole game here, fellas. Right. That was announced in, like, five million years ago by Scott who said he's done making FNAF at Freddy's games. True. I mean, the Triple A game isn't coming out of you. Triple A game, no shot. No shot, true. Unless the movie does well and Universal is like, wait, let's go and shake these things again. Maybe we can go back. Does the, no, no, actually, I would wonder if Into Madness was in the Balloon World files, does that mean whatever the frickly intent of Balloon World was, was whatever Into Madness was? Or does that mean, you know, the next arc, that balloon circus arc is gonna be Into Madness? Whatever that game is, it's gonna technically be it. Well, Into Madness was described as similar to Update 2 with a whole bunch of separate mini-games. You know what? You know what? The Balloon stuff? I feel, frick. That sounded great on the pod. The Balloon World stuff, I feel like, look at the Balloon characters and the Circus characters. I feel like their aesthetic is really close to something that you could turn into a sort of FNAF World-like game. Bunch of mini-games with them. So, Putting Into Madness in Balloon World could turn into whatever that balloon game is, mini-game collection, whatever, with the Circus characters. Hmm? Maybe? Sure, but, I mean, that's the only thing going for it. There's not a lot to, yeah, there's not a lot to go off of. There's a bit more stuff for Help 1-2, though. Oh my God, Help 1-2. Help 1-2. It's just gonna be so cool, isn't it? We should have a whole pod dedicated to Help 1-2 predictions and stuff. Dude, Circulation? What can they, what can they do? I didn't mean right now, Austin. We're not talking about Help 1-2 right now. That's crazy. We can talk about Ruin. FNAF at Freddy's Ruin. Ruin, Ruin, talk about Ruin more. Sleep Help 1-2. Hold on, we kind of skipped question five. Has FNAF gone to sci-fi? That is four, but pop off. You know me, Mark Pimbalz. I do know Mark Pimbalz, she's right. Okay, let's answer that question. Let's answer that question. Is FNAF to sci-fi from its good old days of Five Nights at Freddy's 1-2? This is an age-old question, mind you. This was one that really popped up, I think after Circulation? Yes, because Circulation was the first big jump to sci-fi. Ooh, we're sci-fi now. So who wants to answer has FNAF gone to sci-fi. Mark, you were very desperate to get onto this topic. So clearly you have some context. I think, like Austin said, it's an age-old question. I think my only ever, I always thought people were like, but when you have the ability to walk on air, to go through walls, to walk through walls really. I thought that was, it jumped a shark, Felix the shark. I knew that was coming, Felix the shark, if you will. Oh my God, we're so brain rotten. Yeah. I thought the books jumped a shark even more. I mean, you had, you had goo, goo made by children that could clone people and kill the original host. The answer to the books is yes. They have gone to sci-fi, but let's start at the games. Games, no. Video games. Video games that we play. I mean, I guess, I guess the idea, AI has gone off the roof for the series. But I think, I think it, I think yes, FNAF has gone too far in sci-fi, but FNAF has always been more supernatural and sci-fi sort of at the same time. I mean, you had, in the 1980s, you had animatronics that could look at people's faces and figure out if they're criminal or not. Right, facial recognition. Facial recognition systems. Facial recognition systems, which is crazy. I mean, that was not a thing in the 1980s. FNAF 2. I guess FNAF 2 was a little weird. FNAF 1 and 3 stayed pretty solid on just ghosts and stuff. I would argue stuff like that was very minor. In the grand scream, the grand scream of things. Scream of things. Everything before Sister Location was very realistic. And like you said, they have the minor stuff, like facial recognition in 1980s with these animatronics, like, that's a lot, you know? But at the end of the day, it was usually almost always traced back to, yeah, these kids are just possessing these suits and there was a serial killer, which overall was very realistic. But when Sister Location came out and got a whole bunch of sci-fi, I think a bit after Ruin came out, I said that this is kind of like another case of Sister Location, where we've got, like you said, people walking through walls, which a lot of people are upset about because that's another jump in the Felix the Shark moment with going towards sci-fi. So I'd argue it's kind of always been sci-fi, but back then it was in a minor way that didn't directly affect anything specific. But now it's like, it has to be sci-fi. Which I wouldn't say is a bad thing, necessarily. Yeah, I was gonna say it is sci-fi, but is that a bad thing? Because honestly, I got into FNAF around Sister Location, didn't hate it. I did it and I've never really hated it. A lot of people like FNAF for its supernatural elements, right, ghosts, hauntings, spooky stuff. And then everyone, well, I think FNAF actually got way more popular after sci-fi was introduced, this is location F, yes. Naturally. Keep that in mind. Original FNAF was supernatural. It was at its core. It was hauntings, spooky stuff. And then as the series went on, Scott had to create a storyline and stuff. I think it's not a problem. Make a story. I think it's make a story. He had to create a story, actually. No, he had it all laid out from the beginning. Obviously. Obviously, obviously. True, the remake was the thing in 2014. I think it was. Am I right? I think. Spill out. I think it's not been a problem, like with Health Wanted Security, that's not really been a problem. I think the only time it was ever a problem was walking on air. I think this is the only time it was ever truly a problem was walking on air and running. You think sci-fi was only ever a problem then? That's true. Interesting. I have some hope for you if you want. Okay, Remnant has also been a problem because it's never really been explained in the games. Well, they keep bringing it up and fans will deny books stuff. So you have to kind of explain it a little. At the end of the day in its simplest form, I think the reason why people try and dismiss that stuff is because it's not realistic, you know? True. In a way. Yeah. Like being injected with, and also, what is it? Is it molten metal? We're not doing this question. You know a lot about FNAFAR. You're not asking what brand it is, are you? I'm just gonna say it's memories of a soul. Taking, using metal as like a sort of conduit. I can see the cause. It can be souls, memories, emotions, and it just says life, power, stuff. Oh, it can be all those things. Oh, brilliant. Oh yeah. Explanation. In any situation. Oh, how wonderful is that? Yes. Yes, it's been all three. I... That's... Uh, not too long to get to go over with that. Remnant is more powerful than others. Moving on from Five Nights at Freddy's lore. And let's go back to Ruin. The one that can't. Ruin. I canceled that one. Yeah? What bullet point do you want to go to next? I feel like we... Wait, we just need to explain what it is to help one or two. How do we think that the events of Ruin are gonna play out into the new VR game that everyone's gonna love? I want it to. Thanks, sales pitch. Pinball. Yeah. Who wants to shoot their shot first? I'll shoot. Doesn't shoot. I... No, I was shooting. You'll see in the VOD. I think we will see the Nexus program because he's already digital. And I think we will see maybe the Mimic again. Maybe. Maybe. The only reason I'm hesitant is because... They would be insane if he didn't show up again. Yeah, I do think he's gonna show up again at some point. It'd be frickin' crazy to have him show up in Ruin, get like five minutes of screen time, and then just kinda pee-pee-poof out of here. People probably need to accept he's gonna show up in the next game. He's the new main villain. Right. Anyone thinks Burntrap's still coming back? They crazy. And he is probably Burntrap. The only reason I'm doubtful about Mimic is because he's physical, at least from my understanding, I don't know, he's probably some total shit. Well, nerd emoji? Well, nerd emoji. Well! You're still gonna have Glitchtrap, which is just the Mimic... Right, well, obviously I meant the Mimic as he appears in Ruin. Okay, he'll probably not be in help on it too then, but a digital AI, yeah. I don't think Glitchtrap was gonna be in Ruin, at least they're not in the same way. Because if they just did the same stuff with the tapes, that would be stupid. I think he could... I think Glitchtrap will probably make an appearance, some way, shape, or form. He'll look different. Not the Mimic Endo from Ruin, because again, this is a digital video game. He's gonna look a bit different, we think. Right. You know what? Plus they need like more iterations to sell merchandise, so. We can actually tie this. We can tie this into a different question, which I will actually get to right now. This will help. What was up with the Plush Baby Room? This question totally ties to this, Johnny. I hate this question. Do you understand how? Do you understand how? I thought it was questions. I don't know why you listed this down. I thought it was one of the stupidest questions on the bullet board. Listen, pop off Queen. Here's the point of it. Let him come. The point of it is that there's gonna be a push from how it has been mimicking Afton up to this point as Glitchtrap to how from here, we're gonna go to this location, we're gonna get circus themed stuff, the mimic is gonna start being circus baby. That's what's gonna be mimicking in some way. Listen, man. People are real about that. Yes. That is the actual point. I thought everyone was fucking shit on John because of that theory. I thought that was the whole point. I am almost certain that he had a bad conclusion or used bad evidence, but there is a push towards baby that we can see in the series. That is true. So when blood was like, is that a baby? No, that wasn't John. Who was that? No, I think it was Matt. There was like a bunch of people that looked at me. I think Matt and John have a bit of crossover at this point. All right, someone said it was Ennard. Someone said it was baby. Okay, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, people saying that the mimic Endo was Scrat Baby or Ennard. That's insane. But that it will start mimicking baby. That's not. They were saying it's literally Ennard or Scrat Baby. That's crazy. It returns. Their Endos, of course, look so similar, guys. Yes, so similar. Big beefy and bulky, like eight-foot. Ennard has an endoskeleton, right, guys? I cried myself to sleep the night Matt Pat said, what if the mimics entered? But what if? What if, guys, what if? What if? Like the hit Marvel television TV show. They should do that with FNAF and just screw everyone over. Oh my gosh. Like what if Purple Guy was the phone guy? What if Foxy was a good guy? What if that would be such a cool series? What if it was all just a dream and we'd been in a coma for nine years? What if Charlie was a robot? What if Gregory was Charlie? What if Gregory was not an evil person? What if Gregory was a robot, guys? How would that change the story? So, I mean, technically, Gregory did end up being a robot. He was, when we found him in ruin, he, that's a robot. That's a robot. That's a robot. So, actually, Gregory, that was Gregory. He did say pretty, pretty blatantly, I'm Gregory. And he wouldn't lie. He would not. That mimicella? He would not lie. Anyway, where did the Plush Baby discussion go? Oh, it was just that the point of the room was Circus Baby's gonna become a bigger part from here on. Like, we're moving past Afton. There's gonna be more Circus Baby. How'd you come to that? Cause the mimic is gonna be mimicking Baby from an Easter egg in a room. Half point. Half of hell wanted, like, a bunch of cursor dreadbear rooms are in, like, Secretary Beach. Like, the Plush, the Plush Skin Patch, Build a Mangle. And we don't, we don't want to use that for lore shit, right? You know it's serious when the jazz hands come out. We don't use it for lore stuff, right? Well, now we see Plush Baby come alive versus not being alive. And now it has to tie to Elizabeth, Circus Baby. I think it's just an Easter egg, too. Oh my God, from that one game? I don't think I've done anything more than that. From Fiveness and Freddy's Top 1 available on Steam and Oculus and... 2099? Yeah. It may just be an Easter egg, but I do still feel like Circus Baby, Circus Baby coming to the game is very powerful. Very powerful. He's coming to the games. Geez, very powerful. He's coming to the game. I think, I think all the Afton family storyline is done and, you know, they have to introduce AI now and do the stuff. Yeah. Elizabeth is probably mostly gone. Elizabeth, I think... It's crazy. You phrased it like that. I think everyone's gone. I think everyone's gone. You took the most mogul male stance you could. Elizabeth's probably maybe gone. She's probably maybe gone. You have to play it safe. No, actually, I'm so used to just having to play it safe sometimes. No, that's why you gotta be like me and just say whatever, man. Just say it. She's gone. Elizabeth has moved on, but the mimic will be baby. Elizabeth has moved on, but... There's a slight chance. But Afton has moved on, but the mimic was him for a bit. Fellas. Burn trap. Fellas, I think we've talked lore quite enough. It's almost an hour. We've been talking about lore. How about we move on to some gameplay discussions? I mentioned it briefly. I thought the puzzles and everything was repetitive, just going from one area to the next, doing the same among us puzzles. What did y'all feel about the gameplay? Do you think it was innovative for FNAF? Do you think commenters pay attention? There we go. I thought the gameplay. I thought it was cool at the beginning. I thought it was cool. I thought it was very cool at the beginning. And then by Bonnie Bull, I was annoyed with it, but then they would bring in stuff like Tiny Music Men to make me get back into the game. Those guys might be one of the worst parts of the game. What? No. Tiny Music Men were awesome. They're so evil. They're so evil. That was the only part of the game I had a problem with. They had the bunny ears, Austin. And the little stuff. Very reference. One looks like the sun. Very reference. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. The stuff with your parents, I thought it was used well for the Monty Catwalks, sort of. But I thought everywhere else who's, I don't know, they could have done other stuff. They could have done other stuff. Awesome. Yeah. It was a primary mechanic. It wasn't that good. Honestly, it was so, I, okay, I did have a hard time finding some nodes, but I think I am also just stupid. But otherwise, like, I think there was just more, there was so much between each sort of progression puzzle that I didn't really hate them. There was enough to do that filled in the gaps. So I never really hated it at all. I'd agree. I think still, I think because it was so linear, they kind of had to make that way. Yeah. But like I said, luckily there was some stuff to look at. And I mean, when you're going from entirely brand new areas to brand new areas, like even the old areas, they got remixed so much, like there's so much to explore. I thought, yeah, it's so cool. It pouted it pretty well. Yeah, it was a good mix. Like every area was very cool. Ruin's, Ruin is definitely a game you could play so many times. And every time you play, you find something new. I feel like that's true. That's, there's so much cool stuff. Just, they just packed in there. Something I just remembered that I can't remember if this was confirmed or not to go anywhere, but the Chica's music box, not a music box. Not music box. Voice box. Same box. Yes, a voice box. Wasn't that the one we ruined? Yeah. How do you guys feel about that? Because I feel like that was a very small minute detail that could go somewhere, but I don't really have any evidence for that. Therefore, I don't make bold claims. Well, unlike you, I make bold claims. Love to hear it. Mark, you first though. You first, you first, man. I was like, I got all these big, bold claims. Yeah, it doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't do anything. It doesn't change any endings of the game. It's just a thing you can do. And a lot of people really wondered on that. Can you fix the other Glamrocks? Yeah, you fix Daycare Attendant. Sorry, Clips. Sort of. You sort of fix them. You do fix them. Yeah, you make a bold claim. Your resetting factor is child-loving state. Yeah, he loves children. Now, sorry. You also fix Glamrocks, Chica. And then I feel like during the game, I feel like during development, sorry, there could have been, you could have also had tried to fix Monti who tragically passed away. Bro, Ty, you can't fix him. There is no fixing Monti. Dude, Monti got done so dirty. Oh my God. Both these games. He's like nothing anymore. He just goes, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's got like no suit. I feel bad for him. You said he's evil. The thing I heard online was that there was gonna be plans to fix Roxy, give her back her eyes, and as well as Monti who tragically passed away again. And that's why there was a fourth ending in the files. There's four endings, but we only see three. I feel like the fourth ending could have been something that happened if you fixed all of them. It's just an empty thing. That's why everyone was like, where's the fourth ending? And then they couldn't find it because it didn't exist. Yeah, I feel like they just didn't have enough time and they couldn't do it. It probably would have been like a variant of one of the pre-existing ones, but it just changes slightly if you have everyone on your side, sort of. Like imagine they all show up and just beat the crap out of the mimic instead of just Roxy. If you fix them all, imagine that. That would've been cool. And then there's no more mimic and then that's the canon ending. Yeah. All this build-up was for nothing. I'll make a bold claim about Chica's voice box. Sure. It's not all for nothing because Chica, prediction with no evidence, she will show up in a future game in some way and she will speak. And that will be because, canonically, we did give her a voice box in Roon. That's the idea. It's just set up for Chica to speak later. What would be the point of that? I don't think we're going to do the pizza blacks. I don't think we're going to do the pizza blacks for a very long time, Austin. I am not saying in the pizza blacks. I don't know. The more this goes on, this is a very bold claim. That Chica will show back up again and she'll speak and that's because we gave her her voice box in Roon. But then it states VR. Because what the hell? I do think, unless there was another DLC for SB, which maybe there is. Maybe there is. Maybe that's what Carnival is. I find it unlikely we shall return to the pizza blacks. I find it unlikely we will see these characters, the Glamrock and Amatronics again. I go on. They just made us love Roxy. They can't not have her appear again. As an example, I guess. But do you think they're really done with Roxy after what we just saw? Yeah, I don't. Really, dang it. I do not see, I mean, how else? Like I said, there might be another DLC where we, because Roxy and at the end is like, can I see? I can see another DLC where there is. Who's going to tell them? What, is that the Mimic? It is. Is it? It is the Mimic. No, no, no, hold on. I love when Austin says something. So certainly. And then pinball is like, wait a second. Tell you why it's certain. I'll tell you why it's certain. Cause you know how Gregory Walkie talkies us, the real one, and is like explaining everything? Underlying that during the Mimic fight, the Mimic pummels Roxy and steals her voice. You can hear it. Ruth? What is the name of the audio file? Does it say like? That's, okay. Rimmick. That's a Rimmick. Roxy. Oh, it's just Roxy? No, no, no. I don't know. I said Roxy. Interesting. Blood does not. What I'm saying is that it does steal her voice during there. It does do that. I just hear her. But is it? I don't know what the file said. That line is mimicked. I don't know. How do we, hold on, hold on. I watched at the ending that everyone else did. I don't remember her voice being stolen. Where did you see that? It's so quiet while Gregory, the real one is Walkie talking us about like, what is that? Well, while Roxy's getting beat the crap out of. I've heard the audio file. It's right. But is it possible that was just her in pain? No, you can hear the static. It's stealing her voice, the jittery, the mimics, you know, like cutting in and out. I swear to God. That's interesting. So Roxy's dead. Monty died tragically. And Chica's probably dead. No, Chica, she passed out, man. She passed out. She had a power. So all the Glen rocks are dead except for, you know, even Freddie. Freddie's head is all that's left. But Austin, how this goes directly against your point of, you don't think we'll see Roxanne again after they set up all this emotional attachment? Cause they killed her. But it was your whole point, not, we will see all the Glenmark. You just said they set up all this stuff for Roxanne. Chica has her voice box back. Is this not going direct? And then they actually kill Roxy and it's the mimic in the end. So what is your stance here? It's a big, not like Margaret Johnny. It's a big, I love fun and a half theorist. It's no, there's no concrete stance. It's just whatever fits you guys best. He changed as a theorist in the last five minutes, John. He is not the same person he was 10 minutes ago. Dude. I'm gonna stop talking. Would appreciate that. Mark, do you have any other one-off things about Ruin? Cause have we gone through all the checklists? Ruin, what do you guys, what do you guys think of candy cadets? Ruin, I love candy cadets. I did, I said it jokingly earlier, but I did want more representation of gumball swivel hands and all the clowns limited fruit punch clowns. There was a, there was another thing in the files. There was going to be another showtime. The Ferti Files. The Ferti, yeah, the Ferti Files. Now in the files for Ruin, there's going to be another showtime at Shota. Show the classics, probably for some reason. I don't know why the classics were there instead of the Rock Stars. Did you, are you talking about? You, you go. Okay. Me? No. Are you talking about the early, like scrapped version of the ending where you go into like, you find the show stage with the classics and the minute comes out of the closet. Yeah. Okay. That's what you think the showtime was for? Cause that would make sense. I think that, maybe. Okay. Hold on. Listen, I always saw. Itching. I saw an image online of just scrapped showtime. I didn't know any of the context behind it. Okay. Well, there is like an out of bounds or it's some early version of the game. Can't quite remember one of those two. Hallways you go down in the Mimic fight. Mimic. And you find the show stage with the classic for F1 characters, but a lot of people are assuming those to be like placeholders cause it was supposed to be the Rock Stars. And then there was a closet that the Mimic comes out of. Mimic out of the closet. He's coming out of the closet, which apparently is something he does in the books, but I don't know. Awesome. Yeah, he does that. I mean, A closet, probably no correlation. Congratulations. Yeah, there's no correlation. He kills someone in a closet. That's, there's no correlation. Yeah. He pulls a girl into a closet. The girl never leaves the closet. It was something like that. It was just like that. It was just that. A closet explanation. I have a link here. I, okay. So do we think that was ending four? And it got around? Could have been a different route or something. Yeah, cause there's already. Or just an early attempt at an ending, but you never know. Yeah, they could have ran out of time. I, maybe, well that would, here's the thing. I think that would have been great because that would have meant they had to have gotten the Rock Star models from Scott. I don't feel like those are gonna be the Rock Stars under any scenario. Why? Because that's not FFPS. We saw FFPS in, well, okay. It's the building, but it's not the main stage. We went to the main stage. They're not on it. There's two. Which they, I mean, Oz-R, we see in Tales, they get just, you know, destroyed by a fire and cleaned up at the start of it. We saw what was kind of left of FFPS, right? In Security Beach, not in Ruin. And then there's an earthquake and they all fall down, right? So the Rock Stars could have been there. He's gotcha. He's gotcha. Maybe. Okay, I saw another theory that it could have been, I don't know what would have been there, but it would have been the mimic recreating showtime from Help On It. That was the other idea. It was just recreating that. True. And it was like, this is my past life as Glitchtrap. As Glitchtrap. Yeah, yeah, basically. I was Glitchtrap the whole time. I am not. Me. I am Glitchtrap. That could be interesting. Could be. Austin, any other topics for Ruin? We kind of went by these quick. How much time we got? We've been going for about an hour. The one we have to do, there's, I see a few that we, there's three main ones we haven't done. Do you want me to just list them and you can pick? Sure. How do we feel about Cassie? How do we feel about the books dominating the lore? And how was the mimic executed? Which one do you want to do? More curious. Two of those tied together. How do we feel about Cassie, guys? Cassie. We'll save the other one for the end. True. Cassie, Cassie's the best. The prompt was, how do we feel about FNAF's new protagonist? So someone, someone's hooked. Cassie. I think Cassie is probably the best FNAF character we've had in a hot while. Yeah. Cassie was very cool. Gregory's evil now and we all hate him. Yeah, we hate Gregory. True, Gregory's a rat bitch of a child. But all my homies hate Gregory now. He has killed up with the five people. Do you realize that? Yeah, dude, he's a little, little... Be careful. He's a little dude. He's a little guy. He's a little guy now. He's a very punctious little fella. He's a little guy. And then Cassie's like, man, I just want to find my friend. We should call the cops. Yeah. Yeah, she's very nice. A little carrot cake. Is that Cassie or Roxy? That is Cassie. She loves carrot cake. Yeah, she likes carrot cakes. It is very, it is very sad how they portrayed her backstory because nobody showed up to her birthday. And then and then Gregory did, but he's evil. So we don't care. Yeah, we don't care. Yeah, she's a cool protagonist. No one showed up to her birthday. Like, if you don't complete the happiest day, then no one shows up and then... True. Oh, because she's... Because she's Cassie. Because she's Cass... Cassie. Cassie's nuts. That's so crazy. Yeah. A lot, a very cool thing I think we just kind of didn't realize was going to happen with this new era of FNAF is that we now have, you know, fully modeled humans with a lot of voices, which people can fan cannon all they want about, you know, Mike and Jeremy and William and all the old characters in Scott's era, but he never did humans as well as we're going to see humans here. Because he can't model humans. He couldn't model humans. He could get... He did really good voice stuff, but we're actually seeing them now and they got personality. Yeah. Speaking of personality. Where's that? And Cassie. This is a really nice... And Cassie. I guess just speaking about Cassie. Yeah, that wasn't good. There are a few... This is going to go into another lore discussion, which I might not be happy about, but whatever. A few name drops about Cassie's father. Ooh. Do you think... I've seen some people think that he's going to be the protagonist in Help Wanted 2. I've seen some people speculate he's a who-megalol and it doesn't really matter. It's probably some people who think it's like William or Mike or some other people. What are y'all's thoughts? I think he's some dude and it's just a red hair and still was trying to make you a zero as well. This is huge. I think crazy bold beliefs. Uh-oh. Yeah, uh-oh, when Underscore opens his mouth. Um... There's no way he's just a red herring because we have a Fazbear engineer who gets called away for a while and we don't know why, at the same time when Fazbear has a ton of crazy crap going on, like the peace flex falling to ruin. A lot of people thought that Help Wanted 2 was going to be like a technician training program. And then they get in the VR and do freaking technician work at such a location as practice. That's probably insane, but he's probably not pointless. And it would, I don't know if he would, it would be cool to see him as the protagonist. That would be sick. He's also been in Fazbear Entertainment for a while because they mentioned that he was in, I was gonna say in operation, like he's a robot, which who knows, maybe he is. He was around even back when they originally had Bonnie around. Oh yeah. I never really saw all the lore. I never really saw all the stuff that was with her father. I only saw the, I'll be back later. I left money for food. Oh my God. Dude, what happened to you? Sorry, I'm pulling some- Dude's getting flash grenade. I'm pulling some lore up for you, okay? Bonnie. Anyways, quickly, move on, move on, move on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Assh father was definitely not a FNAF 2 fan. Anyway. Dude, he loves bunnies. He's probably been working there at least four years. I'm so glad we did all that, thanks. Wow, yeah. I mean- Don't ask me words. Pizza Plex was open for like four or- About five or so? Five years, because there's like quarterly magazines, 19 quarterly magazines- Don't even start with quarterly magazines. What do you mean? Okay, they added to 4175 years. And I don't remember where they were, but 19 of them all stacked in one chair. So Pizza Plex is open for like five years. I don't know how long the difference is between ruin and Pizza Plex. Probably a year or less is what we think. Maybe, maybe. Anyways. Yeah, guys, that- We have two things. Yeah, lore, yeah, lore, lore. Okay, book, how feelable book? How could that mimic- I wanna hear Johnny's opinion on the book one. Okay, so how do you feel, Johnny blocks, that you do have to read the books to know the lore? I feel like this is a hot take, but I really feel like it shouldn't be a hot take, that you shouldn't need books to understand the lore of a video game franchise. I understand at this point, I understand at this point, FNAF is no longer just about video games. It's got books, it's got a movie, it's got Fredables. And I think the books really should have just been for filling in extra bits of lore in the past that didn't get explained, which was what apparently Frights was supposed to be. And then the games would look towards, Austin, can I please just talk for five minutes? Sorry. And then the games would look towards the future. Right, that was Scott's, that's literally what he wrote out. But I think introducing books that are a necessity to understanding, like if you play Ruin and you've never, if you have no clue the Tales books exist, you'd be so lost. You'd be so confused. Who the hell is the mimic? Mr. Beast's reaction. I really, really do hope after Tales, they at least make, they're probably gonna keep making books. They sell insanely well. I really do hope they go back to like condensed trilogies or just stories that don't directly connect to anything else. That's my hot take. I'd read it, dude, I loved the Charlie trilogy. A trilogy would be so cool at this era. The second Frights and Tales was like, oh yeah, read these to understand the lore. I dipped out, I couldn't care less. I don't wanna have to read. I don't know how to read. Anyway, Zawson, what were you dying to say? Oh, hmm. Yeah, what were you talking about? The books. The mimic! The books! In retrospect, I will admit, Frights was poorly executed. I will say that. I have loved Tales in a way, but that's not the question. It's not how we love it or how it's executed. In what way? Should you need books? In what way was Frights poorly executed? Frights was poorly executed because there was only five books that were mentioned in it. And they're all good. Every story in books one through five are good. Right. I think you have knowledge on some of those stories besides Into the Pet. They were good. And then Skye decided he wanted either one, to make more money, or two, he wanted to continue the epilogues. And to continue the epilogues, he had to make a lot of stories. A lot, a lot of stories. And some of them were good. Like what we found, Springtrap, Geike. What did we find? We found Ruin, Johnny. Ruin. Oh wait, that's the one they canceled. That's the one they canceled. But then there were some bad ones. Like, like C-Bonnies, unfortunately. Like, like he told me everything. I stopped reading Frights at seven. Did he too? Like a pizza kit. And the one where a boy turns into a traffic sign at the end of the morning. He doesn't do that. All the skin melts off of him. Oh, okay. You're telling me he doesn't turn into one of those kids at play signs? That was the whole thing, I thought. Yeah. God damn it, I hate it. It'd be crazy if I was wrong. I hate Farmer and I said Frights. Who would like to die? I hate Frights. And so, Sonia, by the end, by the end, you had bad stories that were only made to continue on the good epilogues. And then it ended. And no one was satisfied and everyone hated it. But Scott brought it back with Felix the Shark. And then a couple of years later, a couple of years later, he releases tales that he tries to actually try to fit into the games. They're not filler, provoking someone besides Oli's game. And he actually tried with them. I feel like he was more directly involved with tales than with Frights. Yeah. Because, yeah, absolutely. That's about it. And I think that's why they had a more quality control. But that was unfortunately why they were more directly connected to the games. So you had to understand it. Yeah. What if I TLDR what you just said? Yeah, I appreciate the timeline though. Yeah. The point is that Frights, he teased Frights by saying, fill in the games with these books. Right. The problem is most of Frights, and I don't mean the main stories because a lot of them are very pointless and past like six. You don't need to read a lot of the main ones. But even with the Stingers, which was the big lore, you, for someone who just wants to understand the core of the games, you don't really need Frights. Right. Ultimately, all it does is say, here's a sixth secret victim, which was teased in UCN. And here's the fate of William, which you could have said he's perma-dead anyways per UCN. So that set a very bad precedent for Tails to then 180 and be like, oh, everything here is important. You need this really badly. Well, Frights, you can just kind of push to the side under the rug. Was that a good thing or a bad thing, Mr. Under Squad? It has, I will admit, due to the execution, it's been a bad thing because for the execution to need books to understand the lore has been a bad thing. It has been great to get more, but for most people it's been bad, especially when I would say a lot of people are conflating how they like it. Yeah, yeah. People, not everyone likes the books being canon, but then it goes really bad when they will not accept them as canon because they don't like them. I feel like a lot of people are conflating not liking the book lore to thinking it's not canon. Johnny? I think a factor of that is also just the simple thing of again, just not wanting outside influence on something that usually for the past couple of years has been pretty, you know, just in the games themselves. I think a pretty big factor of that is just, you know, keeping everything tight-knit. It's gatekeeping the lore from other quarters in the series. Gatekeeping, gaslighting, and goal bossing. The entire Five Nights at Freddy's lore. Okay, I think there's another question. Which one do we not do? The entire. Okay, the last one. What? What was it? What was it? Was it not the antagonist? The last, the very last question. Oh, I don't feel like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, this one does tie in as the ultimate question. The best example of how someone feels about the execution of tales is, how do you feel about the execution of the mimic? Cause it is the first character, I think at this point ever, to have first showed up in a book and then showed up part of the games. So how do we feel about the execution of the mimic? Cause that's gonna weigh heavily on how you feel about the books. Right, book. There are some people that, oh, hell yeah. And Johnny's definitely answered. Oh, come on. Mark was on a roll. Cause he's not the workhead. I mean, you had people like Phil, Fisnau. Ooh, you don't talk to him. No, he didn't like it. People like Fisnau. You had people like Isaac, the baddest. They didn't like it either. Isaac Cringe. Isaac Cringe. There was a lot of people that didn't like it. And then there were people who did like it. Who did like it. We were screaming, oh, a psychic saw it and he went, oh my God. But there were also other people like Markiplier who had no idea who that was. Who were just kind of asking themselves and he said, I think Matt Paddle figured it out. And then there were people who said, oh, that's scrap, baby. Oh, that's, that's, I know it. That's Freddy. Well, that's Freddy Fazbear, is it not? There was a wide range of emotions seeing the mimic from extreme awe to what is this. Yeah. So Johnny, what do you think of the execution of the mimic? Cause you did, you did know briefly what it was. You didn't know that. I did know about the mimic. I knew very brief things about the epilogues, how he like ripped off the limbs and he went, which would help someone. And he went, ha ha ha, I'm the mimic and I'm very powerful and I'm coming to the games. This July. And he came to the games. And he came to the games. It was weird how he named like Name Drop July 25th and I was like, oh, that's interesting. By Stewell Studios. Um, I honestly forgot the question. The question was, how do you The execution of the mimic in the games? Yeah, I started on the books, came to the games. How do you feel about that? I think it does open up a bit of kind of worms because I mean, anything from the books can come into the, we could see Rose. We should have seen Rose. We could see, I remember on my bingo checklist, actually for Ruin, one of the points was stuff like Rose and Haps and Glamrock Ballora and, you know, a lot of people really wanted to see the tree. The tree. I saw in Tom tuning about the tree a whole lot. The tree. It's like, that is a tree. You were connecting a tree and tree. The mimic in particular, I do think he was, for the most part, executed pretty well. I think there are some people I saw who were completely convinced. Oh yeah, we got to go help Gregory. And then towards the end were a bit iffy. And then there were some people who were like, oh yeah, obviously this is not Gregory. And I think that- Were there actually people at the end that thought this is still Gregory? It's like, Gregory looks a bit different. No way. Lost a lot of weight, grown a lot, taller. But yeah, I think for the most part, the execution was very well. I'm intrigued to see if they do pull more from the books. Okay. Yeah, I don't really have anything else from that. Would you have been disappointed or would you have been confused and lost and not have liked it if you didn't know generally what the mimic was in the books? Like if you had zero instead of like 30 knowledge of what was in the books. I think that's just like naturally, yeah. Cause like- Yeah, you would have been- Who the fuck is this endo guy? Mendo? Endo? Cause every- The cool part, I'm gonna say I loved it. Cause of course, anyone who has read Tales Fully will love to see him pop up in the games. It's sick, it's terrifying, especially when you've read seven tiny stories of him murdering upwards of 18s, and they're just, it's graphic. It's so graphic. And to see him show up is like, oh no, it's about to get bad. And then he just kind of slowly walks past you. Meandering kind of toward you. The dude who's known to rip apart everyone he sees brutally. It just kind of la-di-da, la-di-da. But the fact that there's a jumpscare for the mimic is so, it's such a terrifying implication. I thought a little cloth on his head was like little emo hair. And then I think it was Spring Sue pointed it out on Twitter and I was like, oh, that's a piece of cloth. That's not his funky little haircut. So Mark. Oh yeah, Mark, did you give him the- The mimic. The mimic. The mimic. I thought in retrospect, it was pretty cool. I mean, it kind of said, it kind of, in retrospect, it was kind of cool. But as I was playing it, I thought, I still thought it was cool, but how it was set up for the vast majority of everyone, I don't think it was a good idea because again, all of its knowledge of what this thing is, it comes from the books. How it was sealed away, it would kill people. And then people went in expecting to see Gregory and they saw a robot. I do think that chased you very slowly. So, good and bad depends on how involved you are with the multimedia parts of the franchise. I do think the general audience would probably receive it negatively just because who is this guy? You tell me all the other past versions of Afton Lauren, actually him now. Oh, this guy's dead now. I like, it's a lot to put on just a general fan. And I think if there were tiny little sprinkles of, hey, this is the mimic. Why are you doing the Spock hand? Cause I want, I'm raising my hand. Sure. Well, why is Bro doing the Spock hand? Bro's doing the Spock hand. Go on, go on. No, no, no. Are you done? I guess, yes. Awesome. You guess you're done. He ended your rant with the Spock hand. I feel like, and you're gonna have to correct me to how you feel. I don't know. Where, okay, help wanted, a hundred percent set us up to think this is Afton. I do believe that at some point it was supposed to be a big twist that, oh, this isn't Afton, it is an AI robot. But it probably wasn't supposed to be so far along that it was in ruin, right? Like, like, I'm gonna assume that the mimic sort of revealed that it was not Afton was probably more supposed to be a big reveal in security breach. And the poor execution of like communication between Scott and Stibble probably messed it up a bit. That's why ruin had to really step in and kind of correct like Scott does with the intent not coming across clearly. But that did take away from what could have been probably a really cool villain reveal, twist, change, you know what I mean? They tried to do a bit of, hey, this isn't actually Afton with the whole, oh yeah, we scan the circuit board. So it's technically not Afton, but I think to an extent there are still people who are like, oh, they scan like the conscience of William. Yeah, that's all we had at the time, really. Yeah, that is true. You kind of had to go more at Canyon Territory than you do now. So TLDR, mimic execution was sick, burn trip execution was not, could have been sick, but it was not well done there. TLDR of a ruin, pretty high score, better than SB. Yeah, it's a fair game play, some really cool areas to explore, the mimic. Donningly beautiful game. Cassie the goat, Maxis exists. Cassie will return. Gregory, they should have had like the Marvel thing where it's like Cassie will return. I do, actually speaking of that, something I did want to bring about the endings is it feels like FNAF has gone into the Marvel route where every installment now is just kind of teasing the next thing. Like security breach endings were kind of unsatisfying because they didn't really close anything. Same thing with the ruin, it's just teasing the next thing. Waiting for an actual ending. Yeah. Ending wasn't really satisfying either. I mean, Glitchtrap just goes into your head and that's it. The last big ending we had was FNAF 6. UCN was never supposed to be an ending. UCN doesn't end. And we just kind of took it like it was. Yeah, UCN is not an ending in retrospect. UCN is only the start. It was not meant for the fans. It's a start of fright, virtually. Is it a ruin then? Yeah, that's it for the ruin. It turns out that they didn't cancel it. Right, they had me fooled. They had us all fooled. The mimic. The mimic. And yeah, that is our post thoughts on ruin from Five Nights at Freddy's Security Breach 2021 by Stewell Studios. We'll have to jump on help on it to some time. Help on it to predictions will go fire. I do have that video myself, just on my predictions. So I'll probably wait into a pod talking about those after my episode. But I do know next episode, we will probably talk about movie predictions, but not with these chocolate fucks. Ah! It'll be with two other very special guests from downtown. Do you, do you got to tell us? I will not actually, but thank you so much for asking. Okay. And thank you so much for watching another episode of the BlockTalks podcast. Surely next episode will come out in less than six months this time. Though if scheduling goes as rough as this one did, who knows, maybe. And maybe if this video gets a band billion likes, I'll release the scrapped episode three with special guest star, David Barron. Cause that is at this point, five months old. You recorded an episode three with David. Was I there? You were certainly there. What was it about? It was about movie prediction. Well, it was kind of about movie predictions, but most of it was just kind of us talking about whatever. So why didn't it release? Was it your unsatisfied? One, I was unsatisfied. Two, it's cooler if it's lost media. So add that to the Johnny Block's iceberg people. I don't remember it. One, band billion likes. One band billion likes. Johnny will release. Johnny will release the cut. What are we going to call it? The block scene cut, of course. Block scene cut. Definitely. Yeah. But thanks everyone for watching. We'll see you. Mark, do the honors. And I will see you on the flip side. That's good. Wait, no. You have the Markiplier thing. You have the Markiplier thing. And I will see you in the next video. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.