 Oh my god. I fell help. Can you give me a hand? Well, I can't help you. Ladies and gentlemen, this is EFAP for when it's just like, wait, what the fuck? Why isn't it live? Yeah, I bet you'll be wondering that forever. What could possibly have happened? Who knows? It's a mystery. Yeah, we're still here. Two seventy. How are you all to eighty? It could be two eighty. Yeah, it's episode two hundred and or maybe this is years from now. Maybe this is like a time travel. It was a capsule. Please check the video thumbnail for the accurate number. Don't sometimes that's not even the way you can do that. When you hear this, I might be lost in the in the mountains of Austria. Who knows? Please check in a year's time where the number and name will probably be correct by then. I will have noticed it, you know, and put it all right. But yeah, here we are. We're delving in to the abyss that is just some Star Wars and Marvel stuff. You know how it is. Hooray. Some of it's not even brand new, but a lot of it's brand new cringe. A lot of it is just updates and stuff in terms of the events, the happenings. And we would like to express our perspectives on some of these things. You're not going to expect this adventure. That's why I'm just calling it an abyss because it's kind of over here. Exactly. Where is it even goes? You know, I don't know what's going on in the into the darkness. I was waiting for something to grab me. Yeah, I actually don't know what I don't know why I'm here. I don't know why I or you are afraid to help me. I've been kidnapped. I mean, I got into the van. The man, the nice man said that I would get to pet puppies and he'd have candy. And now he's making me watch Star Wars and Marvel content. Poppies. That's what you get to do. Yeah, it is. If our Rex has been kidnapped, that means we can do both a John Wick and a Taken. So he brings you to the room, Rex is these passionately arguing about Star Wars. You're like, wasn't there a puppy? And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He grabs the puppy and puts it down. He's like, yeah, but I swear, can we talk? Did you say candy? He's like, fuck, yes, OK, but I need someone to listen. I just need someone to listen. The fucking reading. It's lovely in here. Everybody was talking about Marvel and Star Wars and no one will hang out with me. No one likes me. Nobody likes me. They're gay. Anyway, they're very gay. We are missing one person, apparently. Who's who's dropped the ball here? Hmm? One, three, four, five, six. And it's always me. It's probably me. I didn't see it. Wow. I'm ruining it. Well, first on the docket into this adventure would be, of course, the acolyte trailer. It's released by the new Disney plus Star Wars television show of which I know details, but not really a lot, honestly. I'm so excited to jump right into what's going to be an amazing show, which we will be doing. You'll get your cover joint. But like, who doesn't love a trailer reaction? Yes. Oh, boy. We'll discover all of the things about this. This is the first. Hey, look at that. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Look at this guy's skeptical face. Look at that little face in the skin. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't know about this. Oh, my goodness. Look at that little Asian kid. I also like that alien on the left. Before you even continue at all, have you looked up Leslie Headler, the lady who makes the. Oh, yeah, I know the bits. Leslie Headler. That sounds like it sounds like a pornographic actress name, Leslie Headler. Like the Bachelorette or something. I think that's the biggest thing she's worked on. So I have no idea why this one. Didn't she do that show with Natasha Leone, Russian doll? I thought that was her big thing. I ain't never seen that. Well, she was also Harvey Weinstein's assistant. That's one of those. Yes, that's one of the bigger achievements. Good for her. Why did they make him such a goober? Why did they do that? Who would Leslie Headler? Oh, no. This guy on the last. Designed after her. This is an interesting opening frame for you. Yeah, I mean, that's the live reaction. I've never seen this before. I laughed out loud. I saw his face. I saw his I saw his sad aliens. Derek, it's your soul. I really want to look at it like I can't wait. You know, I like the pepper mill in the background as well. Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you guys know? You guys, of course, know James Cameron's Cameron's avatar, right? James Cameron's a good friend by the name. No buts too steep, no C2D. Who's that? It's him, James Cameron. Anyway, continue. I knew someone would bite. The Navi were very specifically designed to be appealing and their proportions on the face, the fact that they have eyebrows, they have larger eyes, but the eyes aren't black. We have irises and pupils of different colors. They have a certain body type and a color of their skin. They have particular animal characteristics like a tail and they got some kind of flimpy ears and they have the elongated brow of the nose that kind of ends like a felines on the face. There's a very, very specific way that they're designed to seem appealing to people. You about to make fun of this poor little guy. Yeah, yeah, the guy on the left. I'm going to make fun of the guy on the left now. And I look at this and I'm like, oh wow, you went to all this work. You made this little alien guy look at him. He's got really big shoulders that go up high, but I notice that we have the black eyes, so we can't tell where he's looking, right? There's no color to the eyes. It's pure black. We have no eyebrows, right? So we're not going to be able to do anything there. And like I said, with the huge head, it just looks... He's got a brow, like not hair. He's got a brow that can... Yeah, he's got like the Wallace and Gromit brow, like it's a brow, but it doesn't have the hair on it. He has a skeleton under his flesh. That's true. What are you... That's not, what are you... I have no idea. What are you talking about? What? Are you malfunctioning? Do you want to decide if you can present emotion without eyebrow hair, but with brows? Humans can do that. With a brow? Yeah. Exactly. It's like Michael Jowsky. He doesn't have hair on his eyebrow. Let's look at the guy on the right. He's got eyebrows. And look at it. Look at his expression. Look at how disdainfully and uninterested he is at what's going on. Trying to move out of talking about the alien bro over to the kid, huh? What? What is going on? What are they... They're learning about becoming Jedi. I love Jedi so much. I want to see more lightsabers, of course. This is the first major production in their new High Republic era, right? Before, like, shortly... Well, shortly before the prequels. Yeah. Like, shorter than the Old Republic. It's like a thousand years before then. It's like 100 or 200 years, whereas the Old Republic is, you know, like over a thousand years before. I think it's 100 years so that they can give us baby Palpatine in this movie. And a slightly younger-looking Yoda. Yeah, there's so many things they can play with. Well, it's kind of interesting to me because it feels like it's far enough back that you can go, yeah, look, new era, but it's going to be filled with prequel stuff. Whereas if you do the Old Republic, you're so much further back that you actually do have to start doing new things. Like, wow, obviously you can look at the games, but new things, at least in terms of the films and television shows. Is there going to have Yoda in it? Maybe, we don't know for sure yet. I don't know, right away. People assume that it will, though. It is one of the... I would. That is one of the keys to Django. It's a big old key. And it's a kind of a key that's not been jangled as much as the rest, so... Yeah, they haven't really touched them too much. Just in TLJ, yeah, that goofy scene where you broke all the laws of the universe, but that's a... What is Grogu if not a Yoda-key-jangle, though? I mean, you say that, but that's just, it's not that. It's not Yoda. Yeah, he's different. I like this guy already. I hope he's a character. I mean, I think that the reason I introduced him in Mandalorian and had him be that species and not literally any other species in that galaxy was so people would be like, oh, my God, baby Yoda. Yeah, that's fine. There's no story or talk about this behind it. That's not key-jangle Yoda, though. And of course, if you're more cynical, the reason why they made him a Yoda, like baby Yoda is because it means he can be a baby basically forever, which is exactly what they want, because baby Yoda is like merchandising gold. Like having an actual Yoda will be different. The best thing about baby Yoda to me is that he doesn't come think, that's it. Is that he doesn't want? That he doesn't ruin Yoda. Like he's a separate thing. Like baby Yoda's existence doesn't damage Yoda's character to me. You know what I mean? Yeah, the dish are might damage. That's kind of coming with the course of actually... They might be looking at Yoda. They might be looking at Yoda, like doing... They literally might be looking at Yoda right now. I wouldn't be surprised. Well, I'm thinking, like, oh, you poor soul. Yeah. Glad to be with this Disney Star Wars. We're getting a lot of mileage out of the first second. What I was about to say is, since we're allowed to do literally anything, because they don't stop us with Disney, we just let it play, and then we go through again with pausing. And so that seems like a good way to do it. Alrighty, let's enjoy. Here we go. All right. Close your eyes. Okay. Then I can't see the trailer. Yeah. Your eyes. Might be better. Can deceive you. True. I'll leave it at her face. We must not trust them. Uh... Ever? Ha ha ha. Well, a great little eye. What comes into your mind? Cheese. Look, aliens. Look, aliens! Look, light. Woo. I see fire. I see trinity. Oh, trinity! Oh my God. Oh, she's... Just use the force and kill her instantly. No, go do matrix fire. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Someone is killing Jedi. It doesn't make sense. Ha ha, none of this makes sense. It's a wookie. It makes sense to stop this. I'm always happy to see wookies. Hey, who's the addis? What? Is this like a crouching tiger hidden dragon? No. No, seriously. Can you guys stop with this? Whoa. That looked bad. That did not look good. I was allowed to use it. What is that? Ah, red lightsaber! Red! It's red. Roll the credits. Oh, yes. Two episode premiere. This show is going to be nothing but cringe. We knew it. Back to this image. This was the best part. This guy was the best part. It was all downhill from skeptical face kid and weirdo. I suppose what I find interesting about it is that trailer is just no different than a lot of the trailers that they do for the shows that they throw out on Disney. Throw in a bunch of big sweeping shots and then action and explosions with the sort of generic trailer music. There you go, were you hyped? Not really. I was hearing that this one wasn't a volume shoot and they used all physical sets. Doesn't even... Wow. They probably... I imagine they definitely used a whole bunch of green screen. Just because they said they're not using the volume doesn't mean that they aren't just using the green screen again. I can't believe it. They signaled that they're not using it anymore when it was a big selling point for Mandalorian and a point of praise for Mandalorian of how good the background looks. I still remember watching them behind the scenes of showing it off and being like, this is going to change the movie making forever, but now it's become embarrassing. It took that long. It looks like shit when it's not used well. The Batman used the volume and it looked great. The Mandalorans used the volume and it looked really good. If they all put that kind of effort in, they would still be able to use it as a marketing boon, but they can't because they fucked it up completely. If they all... If they use CGI as a tool, like sparingly properly how it should be, like they did in the 90s and early 2000s, like we all talk about this type of shit, it wouldn't have the reputation that it has now. People just like... If they use that puppet, they don't really blame practical effects, but shitty CGI or... Yeah, I've been trying to push back on that on different streams because it's... I was there, the debate. That's actually one of my favorite debates that even a part of the one on CGI, because I just think it's important. It's a really important subject of that distinction. I remember being a kid and seeing Return of the Jedi and being like, what the fuck is that fucking... the dad singing... I'm not gonna lie to it, right? The fucking alien at the end that's like singing at the... Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. At the beginning, it's that Jabba's palace that they're singing. At the end, they changed the Yub-Nub song. Yub-Nub was crap. So the ending at the end was proper, but the song at the beginning, I'll never forget being so shocked seeing CGI. They will be stylist fans who are very upset that you're saying Yub-Nub is crap. Literally the most important change was that end music. Yeah, in any case, a lot of the best... The Ewoks have like an Ewok folk song. You know? The other one was just kind of generic victory music. I wasn't particularly Star Wars-y. A lot of the best CG stuff we still celebrate to this day. There's still stuff we're seeing that sometimes is so good you can't even tell. Crazy stuff is when almost every shot has it, but you just have no idea what's going on. People don't talk about the CGI that's just supplemental. And then they got away with hiding under that umbrella. I bring up Baby Yoda all the fucking time, but some of the movements in his animatronics are absolutely embarrassing. To the point where I feel like we could do better if we had the figurine that we bought from the local store. It started with the Frog Lady. The new Republic base to meet with that guy. Baby Yoda was hovering over the ground with his legs. He was doing the Team America. But that's the thing. I remember people saying, yeah, that's fucking awesome. It's like a reference. No, watch season one. They put effort in and they have given up at this point. They took it off. It's okay. They can do whatever they want. Where's the fobs? They haven't mentioned those things. They were a mistake. They dropped that shit. That does feel like the waves of the market versus the customers, so to speak. The pushback, the tug of war. We'll shove puppets into things because people don't like CG anymore. But then they make loads of shit puppets and maybe someone does some great CG and you're like, CG's not so bad. It pushes back again. I wonder if that's just applicable to all things in filmmaking or media or just everything. I like how it distracts from the conversation which is like, yeah, but what about the fucking writing? Whether or not these Marvel films have bad CGI, yeah, they do. But if they were written well, nobody would care as much. Do you remember how Gendry disappeared for all those seasons and they came from the rowing game? When Dovel's act made a rowing joke, that's when I was one of the first times ever getting pulled on a game of throw and seeing the memes being incorporated into the show. That was definitely intentional. A lot of the things that killed Game of Thrones were bad writing but you could definitely argue that they were too aware of what Game of Thrones was to the world, which is just inevitable when the war goes on. Of course, Star Wars is very aware of what it is to the world. Or what it is to specific portions of people who are interested in Star Wars. This trailer's already illustrated that, right? It's like, look at all those lightsabers. It's like, for fuck's sake. Yeah, look at them go. They can't put on the lightsabers. There'll be so many lightsaber battles when they used to be one a movie. Yeah, see my eyes every time I see them now. They've just ruined that episode. Of no consequence where they fight and then they just result in a stalemate where nobody gets anywhere when it used to be that if the fight happened somebody was going to win or lose and it would matter. Or they get stabbed and it doesn't matter because they just healed in two days. It's aglostic now with no consequences and no significance and like it just sucks that I'm seeing lightsabers and like you feel nothing. I just like to just roll my eyes. I don't even feel nothing. I feel negative feelings now when I see lightsabers. I feel negative too. I know that it's going to be used as a crutch and the force is going to be used extremely inconsistently. The lightsabers are going to, it's going to be the same thing. You're going to be, it's going to be a show where we constantly wonder why didn't they do this? Why didn't they do that? How come they're not doing this? Why is this fight even happening? Why is telekinesis and a sword that cuts through anything? Why are we bothering? That's going to be the show. That's going to be the whole show. Probably because obviously this is just a trailer but I don't know if you guys saw conversations happen before the trailer released but they released a teaser poster that looks like that. The lightsaber with blood looking like the lightsaber and I saw people saying things like oh exciting and then comparisons to Andor. Now having seen the trailer I know that we haven't seen a whole bunch of the story play out but it don't give me Andor production vibes. It gives me the production vibes of all the other ones. Ahmasoka, Amando, of Book of Boba Fett and of Obi-Wan Kenobi that's the vibe you get from the production that is present in this trailer. Yes. For the poster gag, I saw one that was a Shiba Inus butt and like an Iran streak. The comment someone posted was damn it regs. I don't appreciate that. They even edited it so it said in an age of light a darkness slides. You know this poster would have been much better without the text. Yes. Yeah, without any of the text. For me the first thing I was struck by was not the jokes everyone was making it was more just good god you think you're so edgy don't you look at you but the show is not going to be edgy it's going to be fake edgy it'll be like echo again it'll be disney edgy it won't actually be edgy we were talking about the near of edgy at certain angles maybe in the certain kind of light but it will never actually be edgy I just realized the blood in the poster doesn't that kind of step on the whole you cauterize everything instantly there's no blood Well in episode four there was blood I know but that's been the line for why isn't Sabine dead and things like that whether or not it cauterized her organs is not really relevant she's dying anyway but we were talking about we mentioned how the light sabers have been ruined but another thing was the forest it was something you said months ago or even a year ago the last time made the forest be with us was meaningful the aqbar scene in Return of the Jedi I remember that one it hits you who gives a fuck about that phrase now it's just the thing you say I'm bringing that up god damn it he's right that's my favorite aqbar scene for a character who doesn't have a lot of moments I remember the delivery the delivery it was just perfect one of Han Solo's most important lines that right before Luke leaves for the Death Star battle he says hey Luke may the forest be with you and because he's the non-believer he's kind of cool and Luke is kind of like what you said and also with you and Han Solo that's why him saying it's not even it's now just like vague generic nebulous spiritual stuff that isn't really coherent the very last time this conversation made me remind me of it I think it was Han Solo in TFA him saying that's not how the forest works I think that's the last endearing forest mention which is a fun line to use yeah the last time we were rich considering what was to come yeah it is really rich I've seen people argue by the way this very like yeah okay fine maybe he does cauterize but what if you would hit someone with the hill they bleed and then you drag it across the floor there you go the funny thing to me is just like we never needed to justify a picture it's supposed to be evocative to be able to just kind of get past the cringiness of it because people will say oh Kenobi, remember he hit Vader in the face with his hilt in the Kenobi show and it's like that's not canon that's not canon we have to fucking count that the stupid hilt thing oh everything about that fight is insane anime moment back to the trailer now we're in the mode of will if you have a comment yeah close your eyes this guy did his shitty advice can deceive you yeah so that means that this show is gonna be full of I have a feeling and then something plot important happens or I sent something and then a thing well a good guy turns out to be a bad guy I was gonna say I guess the most good faith interpretation of what this would mean in terms of theme is see the galaxy may seem peaceful when you look at it but actually attention a darkness rising a dark night rising and you will someone farted in space let's go no he has like a little double-edged lightsaber I wonder what the adult aliens look like is that a young separatist in the back left look no that's the guy from the fella in the first frame yeah that's the guy from frame one he can also be a young separatist though okay I saw the that's true but I thought you were saying it because of the silhouette no the thing at the top of his head I forgot I didn't realize I can see it now no that's the pepper grinder that's exactly oh that was Tony Stark's that line is stupid we must not trust our eyes you know what I think I will honestly that's where he lies guys are pretty good at it they get me around pretty well trust what you feel it's like more than what I see I don't know I don't know about that I mean hey look alright like Anakin trusted what he thought he felt and look at where that got him we must not trust them trust them yeah that's just a stupid line uh let's see looks pretty fake doesn't look very tangible totally horseshit there's a lady she's I'm sure she's quite a badass well you can tell here that the set doesn't extend beyond that wire fence there that's as far as it goes you sometimes wonder if they can walk more than 10 steps at any time Star Wars I don't know about this color grading either it reminds me of a circuit where the color grading was pretty flat a lot of the time yeah that's what I assume you meant about how it looks like the other shows doesn't look like it's got and or level and or I saw people sharing I think the first minute and I was like oh man yeah it's beautiful it's great the escape scene was the last time I've had an exciting proper ship scene in Star Wars the Eye of Old Donny sequence oh man it's fantastic compared to just seeing stormtroopers bump into shit in the TIE Fighter bullshit I've been so sick of that through all the shows but that was refreshing and from the very first disarm when Andor lowered those guys closer to him and acted like he just got it all taken in my pocket and then actually took the time to disarm them properly they just yeah let's not forget as well the shipment moving inside the ship they hadn't been able to strap down it like fucking paralyzes someone because it hits them against the wall that's some realistic shit right there yeah I didn't know what was happening as I was watching Andor I'm still confused by Andor it is a stunning stunning thing that actually managed to get created on the Star Wars paradigm this one will not be that this will be what they wanted andor season 2 does eventually come out it will be a little different this time because of the discussion about Andor season 1 having become a thing of like all of the fucker all the Andor fans keep telling everyone to watch it when we get around to a new set of Andor episodes that will be an interesting time because everyone will be it will be into the story everyone will be paying a little more attention possibly because of the reputation of the first season and the fact that it's going to come to an end line up with Rogue One it's probably going to have some big scenes in it and the trailer has Vader in it imagine oh my god it's going to be red oh yes someone have a vision they'll have a vision of the future and they'll hear Darth Vader's breathing no I'm not memeing about this I'm talking about how Vader is relevant to the story of Andor that he could very well be in the story he would probably be utilized in a way that's not cringe and if people enjoy it it'll be really weird because that's it season 2 is done the team that made it a complete I was talking about what's coming we were talking about Andor this whole time and I was doing my thing Andor is like insight into what we should have got in Star Wars seeing the empire not be complete useless morons like seeing the world in a broader sense what I would say about Andor is that Andor is like the only one of these shows that justifies its existence as a television show because it makes use of being long form when we look at stuff like Mando a lot of the episodes don't amount to anything they're just little side missions that accomplish nothing there's a lot of bad pacing generally in the other ones most seasons nothing has happened in like three seasons of that show I think it's being just we've had like a season with content in three seasons Mando is not already the premiere and the finale whereas with something like Andor there's a clear structure that plays out over the course of multiple episodes that justifies its existence as a long form show and my guess would be that this show will be yet another one of them that fucks that one up I'm just even justifying being a television show it's worth saying because I think a lot of people would be like nothing happens don't they like rescue Mando Lord or whatever it's like the worst of both worlds as in there's huge stretches of nothing where they have no story to tell and then there's just bursts of hyper story like wow we just did that in two episodes okay there's maybe a season worth of content in three seasons of Mando three and a half seasons if you agree these shows often seem annoyed with themselves that they have to tell like three times or four times the story that they have the length like Boba fair that's short eight episodes season that's fucking short shows used to be 22 episodes seasons right I can't figure out what to do with eight episodes that's crazy I mean we saw what Guy Ritchie did with eight episodes over the past weekend you can do all eight episodes it makes something unforgettable the key is just like do you have a story to tell and a lot of these people don't they handed the opportunity that they're like fuck I don't know a Vespa gang comes to town and they're stealing water and that's actually what I'm going to say funny enough I think the filler episode problem is it seems like it should be the reasons for it should be reversed because I think it's actually because things like the Boba Fett show was apparently adapted from being a Boba Fett movie and then they decided to rework it it was Mando exactly so I think that the filler episode problem isn't necessarily that it's like well they don't really know what story they're telling so they throw in filler I think it's they had two hours of story that they wanted to tell and then they couldn't think of any way to support or strengthen that story with a longer format so they're just like no fucking filler episodes just treat it like it's Naruto or something I suppose this is weird too because what I think is the best episode of Doctor Who which is a huge selection of episodes is what would be considered a filler it's self-contained and so it's like wait so what does that mean then it's just like it just means that is it the girl in the fireplace? no midnight and it's uh the show Mark mentioned has probably some of the longest most worthless seasons of fillers like in all of humanity it's pretty bad so just everyone who knows the concept of fillers that show particularly well and that's the thing though like if we were dealing with a show that was in its 27th season I'd be like I mean yeah but like a lot of these are supposed to be flagships that are gonna bring all new viewers to into the world of Star Wars as opposed to slowly killing it in its sleep this is like jeez but hey maybe this one will be different I pulled it back a bit just to sort of get a look at this look at our little town sequence and I'm like oh this looks like this looks like all the others there's just no identity to anything it's all just people kind of randomly talking people in a town walking on their unpaved dirt gravelly road that man's wearing a bathrobe alright it's like you do wonder if they have a set of three costume stations and they like pick one random item from each of the three and then put them on they're like alright let's do it there's not many aliens here or men yeah you have the one guy straight in the middle yeah could also be a mask I don't know woman man woman now we know about that one yeah that could be some kind of demon who knows I just want to see more aliens yeah tell me what comes into your mind this guy again there's aliens I enjoyed them for a few seconds yeah and then the noodles look at him look at that guy in the middle yeah he's a machine yeah they have access to droids and aliens and they still can't tell a fucking interesting story when those things are just like you get they're free like everybody loves them I wish we had man I wish we had do we even have one Star Wars film or television show where the main character is an alien and I mean like alien I'll grant I'm cool with when you have like a circle or the twilex and stuff like that but I mean like a really non-humanoid looking alien with the goober language and everything they don't commit ever we talked about it we want to see coverage we want to see that guy on the train in his story the guy in the elevator the kind of you get to an alien protagonist or Hera from Rebels and Ahsoka they never commit like Arrival is a stupid movie but I respect the shit out of it for just the concept of the aliens like keeping me intrigued they look weird and they don't speak english she's wearing hats yes that's officially what Ahsoka is to me balance balance ooh you know what you know he said close your eyes look at this pull fucker all over here I don't have eyelids he's got black eyes too he can't do nothing he also has completely black eyeballs like the other alien did are humans the weird ones? he should have put his hands in front of him I hope nobody notices this is body language right now I love the body language I'm just gonna sit I guess he's the only one who looks tense and that's why he doesn't look tense he does I'm sensing a sense of tension you can sense it because the guy on the back of the left he's full of sleep you can tell he's all in on this he's nodding over we gotta close our eyes again I think he's smug about the fact he's like a teacher told me to close my eyes and I'm not doing it but he knows I can't do it so he's not gonna say shit you know the alien on the left was like I actually have eyelids you don't that's great that makes fun of him I see fire fire when was Jedi Fu invented why is that a thing now what's interesting is that you don't see that in any of the Star Wars or the preals before you usually just see a brawl type thing if ever they come to blows it's usually just like wild punching nothing crazy you'll get some people who are much better at it but the thing about this as Rags highlighted is like so where's the force and you could try and get away would be like they're both force users so it castles out but then she uses the force and you're like oh well also if this is gonna be another show with incredibly incompetent assassins who are gonna use the most ridiculous stupid methods possible for killing Jedi are you going to lie and wait in an ambush maybe set up a bomb some kind of a trap poison food are you going to do whatever are you gonna have multiple people shooting at the same time from different locations because you know it's a Jedi right you know this person means business or are you going to try and get really close and stab them with a knife and engage in hand to hand combat with this telekinetic lightsaber wielder mm-hmm I don't know you're the assassin are you also yeah it looks like she has a lightsaber too so I would say I would say of the two who are gonna win it's probably gonna be Trinity because she's got her head tied back while the lady on the blaster has a place to get in her eyes well what you don't stand for is that this lady can whip her hair back and forth and whip it into Trinity's eyes blinding her so oh it's a weapon I just want one of those assassins to roll up with a shotgun and just fucking blast him in the face the one shotgun we saw Michael B did bad to season 2 I'm like oh my god yeah we've talked about it the tri-shot blasters that the the super battle droids have I've always assumed that was for killing Jedi technology shoot three at once so you can't clock it with a lightsaber what about just normal projectile weapons at all or just what about shotguns it's projectile weapons if you're gonna kill a Jedi there are weapons that work too very good job no I don't know about this choreography there's something about it like the big spin that she does are they in a different spot there's a lot of variables that we don't have and I feel like this is gonna get a lot worse when we get them oh yeah can we get one different scene I think it's a result of we want this to kind of look like a matrix fight but we only have this much space so you gotta do some spins Ultra season way older it is funny how it evokes that immediately you got trinity so what do you think we're gonna think well she was really great you know the last thing what was the last thing she was in I forget you mentioned trinity and she was very prominent in Matrix Resurrections totally forget about that movie huh I was peaceful for a moment there where they showed that trinity is the one even though the entire point of matrix was that she wasn't the one let's just not I think I did a fortune on that on my own I don't know what this distorted like you're showing me you can't show me a clown lady with knives and be like no one would fight with their dread so it's stupid well it's supposed to be seemingly what the like oh that's impressive thing about this seems to be the force push part it's like oh we've seen that yeah this is what you learn on the first day there was like hi everyone welcome to Jedi school today we're gonna teach you force push force push really easy force push before you learn force pull yeah we're teaching you push in case you fuck up at least you're pushing things away from you will do pull tomorrow once you've mastered the basics you have this trailer is like the force how about that look at that you've got some kids in the class that already practiced at home like they already know us I say I know it's yeah I figured this out on my own it's like well all the people who can't close their eyes will let them catch up the one alien in the back is like hey come on man someone is killing Jedi oh no thank god thank god not again not again it doesn't make sense wait can you go was that the same lady trying to have another one and did she's probably getting around killing a bunch of people I guess hang on I want to see something the killmonger it just stopped I think there was like a force thing happening yeah the guy is probably using the force on him cause for a second I was like did she just stab nothing and just went to the floor oh to be honest his stab motion is not looking great in general like if there was nothing stopping her is she reaching them didn't look like it they do that a lot in these like yeah I get stopped so it doesn't really matter where I'm headed also that is girl from Logan oh I saw a quote that said the reason is they wanted to see is it X23 is the code name X23 yeah it could have been laszlan I was just like I just want to see X23 holding a lightsaber I don't know why you wouldn't take the opportunity to say like oh she was a fantastic actress and I saw a lot of potential it's that you're like I was with you lightsaber I want my fiction to be my movie my movie one of the writers of director say that I can try and find it I assume it was laszlan yeah that's all you have to say about one of your own characters and cost imagine how she feels about that like oh that's how you feel about me like not my performance or anything I'm bringing to the table for this no you are a lightsaber receptacle this fetish X23 what the fuck is this doesn't even call her by my name you had a similar thing about why they cast the movie is like being a prequel like a period piece in 2003 and the writer's first answer was well we wanted to have jacota johnson in the movie and I was like why did you say jacota jacota sorry I messed up brainflism the quote is from Leslie handland and then someone like dafty keen I'd love so much in Logan that I wrote this character and I was like you know it would be great I'd love to see X23 with a lightsaber how do we make that happen man okay alright best of luck with this show yeah he's so right gosh it doesn't make sense none of this makes sense it's all in same madness is this Loki this is already trust me this will all make sense it will all make sense that doesn't look real at all that doesn't look really bad why they're all lying forest exist but not a space forest not a space forest not a space forest with the space trees look at those space look at this frame look at this frame is that poclon or whatever his name is poclon is it poclon or poclon how old is he Then they don't they don't they don't call a master koon in the in the movies But uh I'm a little struck. Maybe maybe this will be a hot take a little struck with how boring everyone dresses. Hey, yeah Yeah, the costume Reminds me that if someone said like this. I'm Jedi dress. I'm like and Nice if one of them just fucking one of them was like nah, I want to wear my own shit. Yeah This would be the time to experiment with that, you know, like this would be To see like renegade Jedi's and different different like interpretations of what a Jedi is This would be the time to do it like I want to see like 10 You know, where's all the gray boys? I'm all because aspects of culture. It's just that this is a little this is a little too unified I noticed that we don't have many aliens on our team of heroes. We got two Yeah, you know what and one of them is like alien one of them is basically human Basically the same as a sucker or uh, or hero Where's the little like Yoda equivalent guy not necessarily a Yoda guy. Where's he Where's dexter jester? Let's get here. Yeah That's a general three without the onyx. Yeah, the general Is the only reason that they wear like the brown robes is because Obi-Wan wore them on tattooing and we have to That's the theory. Yeah, but it's all it's all sprouted from that Because Luke Skywalker never wore that stuff really Black suit he wore the black suit Made it so the prequels made it so that this is what you wear when you're a Jedi And now yeah, that sort of became unfortunately just the Jedi what you just sort of wear and it's like oh It's particularly in this image. It just struck me. It's a bit boring. It's like, okay Well, when you put Yeah I like the braid on the wookie I'm always happy to see it. No because he's an alien Will they actually do something with a wookie character this time? Oh, maybe He's mind-tricking him That's that's a squid game guy, right? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah Squat Actually, where is that him? Yeah, it's John squirt game John squirt game I mean, hey, he was fucking great at that show so I'm a lot better Fair enough. You know You know, if he was making his trailer and I was like what dialogue like you put it He's like I'm gonna keep I saids darkness. I'd be like maybe go though like I think you guys need to remember we all know this in an age of light a darkness rises. This is all in line It's all consistent. You know, there's gonna be a bad thing that's gonna happen Look at the flippy-do that's coming up though Flipping Whoa, why did you do that? Are you trying to kick a jedi? Are you retarded? So this this lady is just going around trying to kill everybody, huh? Why don't you just throw in head kicks like throw this whole trailer? Is that supposed to be the force is she using a force there to kick upwards or is this a weird stylistic kung fu? She's an alien that can do this Oh Yeah, I'm bringing that shit up on sunday metal which by the way I haven't gotten a sense of this being an age of light. I'll take your word for it Fuck is all this crouching tiger fuck regularly So off-putting. Oh Open the door with a force Isn't that a mighty door already automatic? Is she doing the thing we all did when we were five in supermarkets? Oh, yeah She's not actually a jedi. No, she's a janitor and they're like janice. You don't have the force stop trying to convince people Oh my god What are we paying you for here? I'll open the door for you as well Ooh, see and this is why you pause because I couldn't have possibly noticed that the first time around Maybe But it could just be some guide or whatever I have an issue here, uh, if this wookie is wearing clothes then the implication Is like culture this this is indicative of the fucking problem. How are we going to know he's a jedi? Well, he wears exactly the same thing as every other jedi Even look at the colors. Yeah If he was if there's ever going to be someone who like make it, uh, like have a different style in terms of a different You're fucking wookie take. Yeah. Yeah Why not only the cloak and not the ghee I was about to say Yeah Look at the three black robed people in the back. They have bows. They have arrows. It's clearly brought these fellas in Real in this shot because it's all gravel They don't they don't have paved roads in any city Reminds me of that story in uh, quantum media where they said they needed to deliver like sand or whatever and they got poo He's pour a lot of the whole set of stank special delivery from the kanobi show We got a lot of poop. You guys gotta pretend as though they say poop It's like a lot of it's like the the page shills is like, can you pretend this isn't shit? And they're like you're really asking a lot this time I'm exposed. Yes. We're still doing the ground grapple scene today Imagine at one point the shill types were like, can you just make something good? That would be so much easier for us because we would They wave their hand, but it's all good You know us anakin hard carried the isoka show just like In terms of like key jangling the fucking show. Oh, yeah But what are they gonna do with this like there's just I'm just looking at this is Like every Boring like we're looking we're discussing the shoot the fucking the poop No, the wookie's cloak and his outfit choice because there's nothing else to discuss the sky room It's just it is going to be yoda or or maybe it would be that they'll do They'll visit a location that we've seen in star wars before but that we've never seen Definitely playing with gonna be I would have for the um the final trailer would have a yoda line at the end of it. That would be the thing Yeah, this would be the time what's the show you will Like they'll usually they're usually pretty open with that. So it makes me think that they're not gonna do it Whoa Once again, can we clearly see her arms as extended as it's gonna get Stop I think they're hoping that the shallow focus in the long lens will make it look like it's much closer than it is But they messed it up by leaving daylight between the knife and the palm That's what that's actually the blessing that they give before they write a show May your lens belong and your focus be shallow You know, I was thinking about um that little what looked like a mind trick at one point Wouldn't it be funny? I guess it's being like a parody, but you wave your hand with the command doesn't work Then you wave it again, but there's money in your hand this time and then they take Yeah, I guess that works. What about old benjamin over here This is so Oh, no, god, it's wakanda wakanada That looks terrible. I'm not sure what's going on there. It's not just Man Definitely the animation I don't know man, I don't know about like Because if she's meant to be the the assassin that's going around it's like why are you dressing so conspicuously? Yeah Like this is just stupid because it looks cool. Okay Because Moller ready to go from the killer to fucking this stupid idea Try your fucking hair like I can't like I can't take this character seriously Oh, dude, how cool would it be to have someone who is like hyper competent in the star wars universe as a bounty hunter? I say that like, you know We don't have like what do you mean? They had mando and boba fed to do that with you're never gonna see that Yeah It's gone to the point We're back in the day people would how arguments about like how obviously boba's cooler than jango But these days like it's embarrassing to pick boba. It's like no, it's gotta be jango now We have to imagine now because I got cancelled and and maybe it wouldn't have even been in this game But just the bounty hunter game where you're playing as a mandalorian and you know You get like the file and it's your target is a force user And then you have a whole bunch of options that you can choose between of how you're gonna Deal with a force user compared to if they were like a battle droid or If they were a wookie or what kind of weapons they may or may not have or what kind of environment You're gonna be in like are you looking for them in a city like Coruscant? Or are you looking for them in like a more rural area and then having to incorporate all of the and you could Obviously show that in a tv show as well pretty much. Yeah, but it's never gonna happen Mando was meant to be that and it fucking wasn't and that makes me really sad Because people know the world building all the creatures and like potential droids and things that they can do with it They have all these elements to play with and it's such a simple premise bounty hunting Just figure there's so many different templates to get to work with all the different shows in the years from It's just it's just no easy to own variables if they're different aliens or whether they need to be better alive Or if there's some other thing how they tell or gold or something that you need to acquire on the mission as well Man and revealing how These aliens like work like how you actually killed them because they different anatomy like I remember um When a soka spent like 12 hours underwater talking to Anakin I was thinking man This this could have been such a good opportunity to repeat like learn something about her species that she can breathe Underwater that's like the one save that would have made that scene like 1 less stupid You know what I mean, but they could If you had to when choosing between equipment that will be useful in the terrain or not Whether that opens up options to you or closes them off or And you could also do the cool thing that thief did where you have incomplete information about the location that you're going to Where it's like actually hand drawn and and and there's an in-universe explanation of they weren't able to scope out this area So I got to go in there in the dark and kind of figure it out for myself No sorts of things, but no I'd watch all of those but we get Watch or play those but instead we got this Here we go. Yeah, this is really cool. Ah, I see how everything's popped Now, I don't know what it is. Look at these frames like look at the color grading. What what's the deal? It's so muddy I feel like it's dimmed down. So the lights are already even brighter It's a lack of contrast. I don't know what the deal or a lack of saturation Well, why didn't they go into just like the woods at night and then light it really And have a spooky because I can tell by the ground you could look at the ground I shouldn't be able to look at the ground and know that it's not actually the woods You know what this this kind of like nighttime shooting is actually worse than um presuming this is at night This is worse than when they just color correct. It's a blue, but it's really bright. It's clearly not dark It's very bright But yes, uh It's disappointing that they're still playing with this as though the audience this is all we need sort of thing And it's just like this just feels confirmation from isoka, right? That's what the video I made is all about. This is what this is what star wars is They save this for the big hook of the sea. It's a fucking flying lightsaber A red lightsaber It's so annoying and it was red There's already people I guarantee it who are like well, this looks more interesting than andor that didn't even have a lightsaber in it Oh And you would frustrate me about and or two for all the people who say it's boring like Andor has By far the best action scenes of any of the disney star wars shows any of that Yeah Just him just disarming the guy like I mentioned the fight out the shoot out in episode three the whole heist with the The um the eye of the whatever I kind of remember the eye of al donnie. Yeah, and just the the crazy All the tension of the the jail escape all of those are way better than watching asoka Like fucking just tap droids with her lightsaber and to be just one of the big things It's not just that the sequences themselves are well crafted It's also that when you have two episodes to build up two and a half episodes Yes build up to the ymax's When the action actually does start and when the consequences of that fighting starts materialize It feels way more impactful the uh the big reveal of the scary enemy for them at the end of asoka zombies Literally the possibly worst enemy for a lightsaber ever like And that was already an amount of stupid action scenes just Two action scenes per episode seems to be the mandate and my guess would be that this show will be no different The bait with this seems to be that they're like, yeah, but this ain't just a sith. This is a really powerful one It's like Okay more powerful It's not just boring and like because this is all they know how to do this is all they ever know how to do Can't tell any of the stories And maybe they're right because and all was the story that was not that and people were like Yeah, it's crazy. It's it's not fair at all like and or did two episodes of build-ups you actually like well One of the more common things I get seen from people who even admit that it's good. So yeah, but it's not star wars What does that mean? Well this as you can see is star wars because Yeah That's No, that's a lightsaber Everyone who says to have a lightsaber. It's not star wars that uh, that's a common No, they have run into on the twitters There's barely any lightsabers and a new hope like you see luke flick it around one time He has a one fight with like vader and and I was one like it's not to say people are you know insane about lightsabers? I don't like those what happened in the original trilogy when we had the four minutes of lightsaber You count it up. It's like a couple seconds People get fucked up with that type of type of shit like another example is uh lector Lectors everyone thinks a lector when they think of silence of the lambs. He's in like like 20 minutes or something Yeah, but that's like because his performance is amazing Yeah, that's what I mean It doesn't take a lot for something to be significant like whether it's like his performance or like the impact of a lightsaber But to say that this is all that star wars is The fuck you're ruining it. I'm sure they wouldn't say it's cool, but they would say it's certainly This is like They would say it's essential, yeah Maybe clone wars was the thing that that did it Well, I'm willing to agree that it's the prequels that kind of did it Remember the the big first battle on geonosis. You have like what 50 lightsabers against an army of droids Or something like that and it's like shit. That's a lot of lights I think plinkett said something like that. He was like they've they've like power leveled and overstocked the shit out of Lightsabers the point where people are gonna think that that's what star wars is Would you know there's compliments out pay the execution in the prequels? But the there's character stuff in the prequel. They're actually trying to tell a story in the prequels Here, you know, it's yet to be seen. We'll have to find out. Maybe this character is holding the the red It's red by the way, uh, maybe they'll be a great character Nah If in this jedi show we had a lot of It's not gonna happen. They're gonna be used. It's good. They're gonna be Everywhere all the time they're gonna be used frivolously and extensively But if you had a show about jedi and lightsabers were actually treated with a great deal of reverence and respect and discretion Where they would not pull out their lightsabers unless it was absolutely necessary They wouldn't just light them so that oh, look at the glow. Yes They would just bring them out and pull them out, but it was actually like, yeah, sure They're jedi. Yeah, but it's not like like police don't go around just pulling your guns out all the time for every issue You know, it's like when the gun comes out. It's a serious. It's a serious deal When he said the jedi uses it as a light and rides a skywalker The sheriff and no country for old men the the sheriff for no country for old men Like how he doesn't even want to pull his gun out. That's how jedi should approach the matter even more so Yeah, it should be treated that way. But instead it's just this like, oh, look at me It's they've they've ruined this weapon, which is probably the most iconic weapon in all fiction But it's just yeah, imagine if Imagine if modern police officers each had like, okay, you're a police officer. Now you pass a test. Uh, all right You fuck those donuts up. So now you can use telekinesis. That's just the thing you use telekinesis Pretty much with not really that much restrictions really because modern star wars So, uh, I guess you have a light saber if you really need it But we just have telekinesis you can go around and protect peace of the galaxy with just using that um And and that would that would be such a huge tool that you have at your arsenal and in That that you could employ in all these ways. They're going to be whipping those things out every time so we could see the glow So we could see the noise. Oh, look that one's yellow. Like There's not going to be any reverence or any sort of um like tension when they come out Like sabers everywhere all the time when people do the claim of like, yeah We can't portray the story as a competent now because it's been too long of not that and it's in the same vein with the lightsaber It's like you can and if you do people will notice and be happy And or prove that you can they they suddenly portrayed the empire as competent. It's like, oh there we go Because that what I should be you forget all about it. Correct If they do the same thing with storm troopers, nobody would mind We would just forget having the star wars having so many different branches and cannons over the years Like with the eu and everything I think it's train people to once they get something good They're okay with just ignoring anything that was bad and I think that like yeah, there's there's a degree to that That's pretty cool. I mean, you know, like I give a new star wars video game came out. That was awesome I'd probably be pretty up for playing it What would it take like like in terms of the movies like what would it take like a proper trilogy like proper Like the canada Yeah, it'd be between two and three and they have to be You know between good and great. I don't think they can sell it good Yeah It has to be a substantial Yeah, it has to be something that appeals to a hell of a lot of people and different groups of people You need to get the ot people being like wow, that was pretty good and the prequel people and the disney people and the Random spatterings of people who are vaguely interested in film the people who are interested in the clone wars people Who are interested in fucking acolyte if you can get all of them You need you need more normies because um and the star wars can't sustain itself with these massive 200 million dollar productions with You can't sustain that without like normie filmgoers tv watches You have to create this stuff isn't going to work for the bills. You can't just throw this stuff in and then it will work Well, the you're not establishing for yourself any kind of legacy. You're not you're not building up something for later You're just it's all They've lost a lot of people gradually over the years to the point that Star Wars is not a massive cultural Like a major culturally significant event a new star wars movie comes out and it's not going to be like that important compared to When phantom menace came out and tfa came out. Those were fucking huge they had uh the real one like um dealership sponsors everything with um The cars i can't remember but i just remember like wow, you're really confident that you're gonna actually be have A brand of car that's named after your movie like the rogue one with the nissan And uh, they realize that yeah, yeah, I just remember like wow The madame copter i think i remember saying it's like the modern warfare three jeeps Oh, yeah, how is madame copter not funnier than that though? like The madame copter is the madame copter is what she uses to get to the crime scenes or whatever They're like, but we can just swing around through the cd on our webs. She's like no It's just insisting they get on there that she's the pilot even though she's blind. They're like, could you I don't know I can feel it. Don't worry. Don't worry I was in halo and then they drive off in the madame copter and it has that big awkward picture of her on the side with her hand up The craziest thing about madame web like just to follow out of that is like the other two girls Just did they even get like a single like twitter follower? Like i started swin sydney swedies like tits and nicola just took up all the attention like They turned a loss into a whip. Let's be honest. Yeah those. Yeah, legendary Legendary like this should be studied how she handled this situation But those other two girls must be pissed like hello Like we weren't in two. We were in the movie I guess because they they figured that the strategy is just like just move on We got other things Don't pretend the movie was actually awesome and that people are just mean No Yeah, I mean Say the hey women's hit strategy is like those glorious pr the greatest pr of ever Well, let me see. Let me see the other lightsabers. Let's see. Well. Yeah There's a blue one in the green one in the other green and yellow. Oh, look at him go He used a mega force power and pushed them all back Wow Just another powers The screenshot I've got it may be different for you guys But because the belayer kind of is perfect for me It's just this belayer of force powers lightsabers and jedi It's smoke robes and lightsabers. Yeah, it's so fucked up big blender of iconography that is dampened completely and just substanceless like Let's drop me right back to the nobby Look at the kanobi vs vader fight and in the show just the whole anime influence definitely is a A witch way western man, right on this this and then the other one is luthon's speech Orc genos Yeah, like I like I've actually used this response when people are like, yeah andor is actually not good It sucks too It was like I don't believe that you watched and or through the end of the prison arc and that you think It's the same as all of disney star wars. No way. I don't even know how One and think that it's the same as all the The rest of disney star wars Even if you don't like it, I feel like you should have you should be able to understand why other people like it Like it shouldn't be you can clearly see the difference in quality there Yeah, and then they say and you should understand why people like isoka. You should understand I do but I do He made it He made it Didn't you see subpoena on the motorcycle? That's why What's why is the oh like that I'm sure it's cool Is it because are they oh is that going to be a reference to the weird doohickey thingamajiggy that they're trying to find Is there like a a plot device object that's good point there They need to get to find something or do something that will let someone win Yeah force ring. Yeah Disney what are you doing? Like The trinity is going to be palpatine's mom Not zero not zero trinity palpatine. Maybe kyan reads the sith That's a tiny them See the crazy thing though is that means it's raised great great great grandmother Oh, is this the picture they chose for the thumbnail? Yeah, it's great, isn't it? Oh, yeah, that's just remind me of this stupid character. Thank you And now we can bring in this as is relevant What's the point of hiding your face if you wear your hair like? Yeah, I like trailer coming up more dislikes than likes which uh, just not It's just the state of star wars fans I don't find that even surprising what what about this would like motivate any degree of excitement Especially in the context of all the disappointment. It's just it's just sludge. It's just jedi lightsaber sludge I think everybody can see that now. It looks terrible disney. She reminds me it reminds people of the other terrible star wars projects and marvel This might be the worst one. Remember the attitude of Give it time and people appreciate the sequels like we've Well, I mean it's not just the the sequel trilogy movies It's it's every show and all that stuff that's happened in between nothing has stuck Nothing has had any lasting impact. It's all just relentless diarrhea and like everybody is noticed Well, maybe this well, maybe this show will be explosive diarrhea. So that'll be exciting Where you say mark even when something does stick it seems like they drive it into the ground immediately Like if it seems like like they've got a bit of momentum towards Fixing star wars quote quote or like whatever you want to call it They they don't utilize that that positive good the positive will like the good will towards those projects Correctly and then they end up just having those go to shit and piling a bunch of new ones on top of it They just describe as our strategy You just described mandel season one which brought them a break for a second with the fan base because there was potential there And then they butchered it like we have the milk every Fucking thing out of the show right now The comparison to the ot where they say yeah, I mean empire was received badly at first Or the comparison of the prequels where yeah, they were hated for a while But then they were loved like that's the fate for the sequels as opposed to the reality is like It killed the fan base. It's split and it all up It's destroying their ability to make money the ot basically created that situation and the prequels continued it You can't deny that about either era Yep Well, yeah, especially now that you're at a point fine during the prequels like there were star wars toys everywhere And they were constantly being sold out. There were people holding them down and stuff I don't hear about that ever happening for the prequels was massive for star wars a whole like my whole neighborhood I remember like being introduced to it. Everyone's playing with lightsabers I had the dark small one every like it just it was a wave It was a whole it like nobody could say that that did not happen There's no kylo's running around like it's just it's not it's not the same thing It's bullshit And so, yeah, I just see this as just evidence of the Coming doom and you know, I just I want to see him put out a movie do it cowards put out a star wars movie Yeah, that's Are they still doing them the mando movie thingy? Yeah, I think they have two And rey and rey Mano is one movie and then rey is the other one And the uh, the the origin of the jedi One james mangold, but we'll see about that one I gotta say they must be uh, they must be like really nervous if they're starting to get like more dislikes and likes on the trailers for their new stuff Oh, yeah, it's never it never bodes well Well, the marbles had a lot more dislikes and likes to look at how that's I mean Um, I don't put it out there I don't know if you guys would agree But if this trailer had come out exactly the same after rogue one came out I feel people would be fine with it to be like, yeah, I mean, we'll see probably Uh, yeah, I think so they would make all these uses in the world to be optimistic But there's no reason to be optimistic now. We're all just like this really looks that's why I was saying with isoka At least you have isoka fans and people who like rebels or whatever that shit was And the anakin key jangling there's that but this says What is this like there's like genuinely nothing here to be clear about it Though I was gonna say like not everyone will be happy with it But the vast majority like the star wars fandom would be generally fine Like it would be no controversy surrounding the trailer for acolyte, which there already is it's just a teaser Um, this is also shared as well, which I think is fascinating The uh Leslie headland explains why one writer in the writer's room for the acolyte had never watched star wars quote I was like, I want you to be questioning narrative I don't want myself who's a lifelong fan of just relaying on Relying on particular references in order to create emotional beats I want those emotional beats to be earned and checked by someone that isn't super familiar with it As much as like there's a logic That's kind of there's like do you really think this is the time to hire people who don't even know what star wars is? No No, not at all Maybe hire people who know star wars, but also know their shit. It's been tested So many times and the thing is like what you think it could never work It's like no it probably could but like we've tried this soon too many times like stop Let's try let's try fans Like you know people who are familiar That is it's funny right because we covered that video once where it was it was said there's a criticism to Tony Gilroy that he was using wikipedia when he was making and or a wikipedia Sorry, which was to me just like really strong evidence of someone who gives a shit to get things right Yeah, exactly because I'd be using wikipedia We said it a lot of times Any of us would get like a year make this movie about this franchise It's like oh, can you give me like seven months so I can read up on everything that exists To hire someone all the rewatches like yeah To hire someone who doesn't even know what star wars is or rather Has never seen it that means they obviously don't like it because and watched it So just like you want someone to be invested in the care of of the franchise, right? And it's like yeah, but I want I want someone there to know whether or not the stories are working Irrelevant of star wars and I should be like since when was that even a requirement for writing scripts? Like I need you to be writing this irrelevant of like the ip in the continuity I need to know we're working Like could you not tell anyway because if you have someone In there that that doesn't know anything about star wars and there's like a story That does only make sense if you have any like some kind of basic background information they're probably gonna ask a lot of things and If you got those things wrong and they probably can't check that There's like what's the point even like you can't even Well, those things complete gamble whether or not they're even a good writer. Obviously We don't really win in that department with these things. No And they're not actually gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's a good point We'll change our story in our choreography to reflect with this issue that you raised regarding Telekinesis and the forest and stuff like that. It's not gonna happen. It's all just it's all horseshit They're not gonna change anything as far as the it's like the historical um The history advisors they bring on a show and that's just for it doesn't mean anything. They won't do anything Sometimes you wonder if it's just so they could say that like we had a We did this so that we can make a tweet and that was it. We're not actually gonna listen to him because the Yeah, it's a good aesthetic, but they don't really care As far as the outsider perspective thing goes in the writing room Like do do they really assume that this is going to be anybody's first star wars experience? That like this is gonna be the thing that gets them into star wars And that they're gonna be confused if they don't understand what a Jedi is So they have to make sure that they explain the problem Like I just I feel like marketing this to new fans who don't like star wars now is strange Like because I mean really the only people that are gonna watch this are people who are already watching Disney star wars shows and enjoying them. I'm imagining right they need to capture people who like star wars They don't need to try and cast their nets so wide that they get the non star wars fans They need to desperately try and yeah, I would say all of the people who really liked star wars. It's like a trust issue right now It's not even like quali it would quality would help, but it's just like they just don't trust you to make things well Yeah, and can you blame them can you fucking blame them? I've done a lot of decade Yeah, you somehow just consistently made shitty tv shows and movies It's just how how do you keep making terrible shows? What's the process over there that keeps leading to this? so The next the next thing I'll show you guys now because that's that's like that's all the context for the acolyte trailer And we will obviously delve back into it when it arrives But I wanted to make your way. I've spoken to I think freaking rags before about this something I've noticed on twitter. It's a it's a return of an old friend of ours. We once covered a channel on on efam Who I can't remember if he was reviewing like rise of sky over something, but he was pointing Do you remember this? He was quite the pointer. I do. I do remember the pointing man. I remember the pointing man I only know the meme. I don't think I was on that efam. My goodness He would just he would point he was just he was relentless in pointing and he'd point down Oh, look at that. They're pointing everywhere right now. I can feel it. They must croat Yeah, well what he said wrote Yeah, that's how that's that's how we'll never forget brock. He's got he's like uh, that's the influence on now right there but I'm gonna bring up. Um, I'd see his his tweets every once in a while and I'll be like Wow, that that tweets managed to go far and wide and I know that guy because I remember the name suggs and I was like That's uh, but but I'd read the tweets and be like I don't remember the people talk like that Whatever and then I see another one and I'll be like again And another one and I think it was once I saw a thid when I highlighted this Like I said, it was it was to one of you guys at some point possibly both as being like I don't think he's real anymore Well, you remember he he raised quite a he had a lot of problems To he raised a stink on Twitter because I suggested that he take his jacket off while indoors And he has a terrible thing that was said about him Recently he uh people were making period jokes about that poster and I think he put out a rage farming tweet But it backfired he his tweet says, um If your first thought after seeing the poster for the acolyte is to make jokes at the expense of women Then you should have thought You have much more deep rooted issues than just disliking star wars projects cringe the pointy guy post of that Because I saw that tweet and I was like wow, that's correct. Yeah, that was him. He says absolute cringe and outright sickening I want to ask crazy Like are you not allowed to criticize a woman or like have an issue with something? What are their rules like I'm actually curious this evolved quickly It's only got 550 likes and it's got 520 comments So that loads of retweets because everyone's just like you do know that many of the people who made these comments were women Yeah And I think what he was getting for and this lines up with the rest I'm going to show you is that I think he was just going for a viral tweet He wasn't expected like he doesn't care. Uh, there's people actually care about these positions They're just like this should work out because it's quite a good virtue signal But all the responses are just making fun of it. It's like shut the fuck up Yeah It's like I didn't I didn't consider it I didn't I didn't understand the whole period blood joke Then I watched the trailer and it's like 96% women and I'm like, oh, that's kind of that's actually kind of quite conspicuous Uh, okay. Well, so in the first two people I saw make this joke We're women uh on my feed, which is kind of funny, right? Like it's just how it works out, but he was like, how dare you I'm going to defend women on behalf of all We're just like shut up. Stop Just get slapped like stop it Just to give an example is one of the the memes. He's very upset with Yeah I said one of the light sabers the tampon. Yeah, I I I saw that shit as well, but that this was the one we were Vegstick earlier Uh, it's like rags just messing around I guess Yeah Gago shied that's not me But yes, he uh, he's he's like a full-on farmer and I've seen people Speculate irrelevant of me notice in it that he might be paid to do it as in like it's There's a formatting and there's there's viral tweets that you repeat over and over again So I'm gonna give you examples, right? And I think at first these will seem normal, but then you'll probably start to understand what I'm getting at You got like the alternate ending to the revenge of the sith time video game is still absolutely insane Lucas arse was wild for this one back in 2005 a really fun What if for the star wars universe that isn't talked about enough? And it's a clip of an alternate ending where Anakin kills Obi-Wan. It's like, okay. Yeah Mm-hmm. It's like damn 27k likes Okay Fair I guess two million views. That's a lot of people like that game and it's like I still love how George Lucas randomly gave Obi-Wan a dinosaur buddy who knows uncharted cloning Planets and owns a 1950 diner with no setup whatsoever It's like Okay. Yeah, why do those get so much engagement? I don't even get it. I still love that. I was like, okay All right, these these are very innocuous But then um million the more they go on you start to notice some patterns Like still hilarious to me that you pushed 1138 on your tv remote while looking at revenge of the sith dvd menu You'd be greeted with a video of Yoda break dancing still one of the greatest easter eggs I've ever seen Mm-hmm Okay, 37k All right. Yeah People really into it. I guess I mean, I guess there's information in there that you might not have known Also, that's the thing. I've seen these before um Not that that wouldn't be interesting But I was like, I think he's getting these from somewhere like no lightsaber and all the styles We'll be able to match the significance and emotional impact of these toy ones from 2000s Everyone I knew growing up had one and imaginations ran wild many great battles were fought with these and the memories will last forever Okay Do you get it you sent in what I'm getting it's like an atmosphere that's like Wait a minute. I feel like you're a robot And a phony buddy. Were those scheduled a long time ago? I still can't believe that mtv used the files for revenge of the sith game to make anarchy scouting take me out By france frag fit led to a crowd of clone troopers is real and in on live tv But I'm so glad I didn't still believe anything Yeah, that's that's what's starting to get me now. It's just like, oh, it's so crazy to me It's it's still so interesting man. I can't believe it like the format's I sure do remember this thing Well, and some of these fun facts you guys will know forever thinking about how the first thing lando did after escaping for Cloud City was put on Han Solo's clothes for some reason Yeah, it's just like a bunch of little star wars facts that just get thrown up With the context of I'm still thinking about it. Man. I can't believe that They're all above one million. How many followers does he have? I just don't believe that's news. Just follow the narrative for now, okay Revenge of the sith will forever be the saddest always film everyone always remembers the memes in the action But I really hear people discuss just how tragic it really is People talk about that all the time What would the other one be I guess empire strikes back would be the sad I mean force awakens really but uh, I TLJ Famously known for is being the darkest sad one darkest saddest one. Uh That's what it's thinking about how the revenge of the sith antenna ds game wouldn't let you play on the master difficulties anakin skywalker All right, these are just so like specific This is calculated I don't think you were thinking about this specific fact I think you just sat down one day and we're going through all of these things Yeah going through like a book or a list of a thousand facts you didn't know about star wars or something He's got a list. He's got an algorithm. He's got a whole rhythm to this shit Well, you know, I mean when we first covered him, he wasn't doing this and he's been spamming them now And he's getting loads of engagement posts. It's like, hmm Yeah, you haven't got this uh This is still peak star wars. I don't care what anyone says No, that's That's it. Stop showing me lightsabers and faces and saying it's fucking star wars Keep going to make it happen. Well at least putting all the the the new terms in there. There's peak star wars peak fire, bro I think that scene actually made me angry because we waited a whole fucking season and like for he waited till the end to act crazy Nothing terrifies me more than how fast this door shuts in the fans and menace Okay All right Oh, all right. That's like That's getting towards not being even a little bit interesting Yeah, that's like guy that it closes fast. It sure does. He's This is one of the coolest moments in revenge of the sith and nobody talks about it Oh From this tiny picture. Hang on It's just in the middle of uh, he jumps up on the spot Oh, okay All right, blank. You know, he does kind of the same thing riko does to the tanker bug in star strip troopers. Yeah. Yeah Just like, you know, all right, um I like tank bug. Sorry tank Thinking about how in the original leg of star wars game Veda could use the force to choke every single character except for padme. Why are you thinking about this? He's a liar liar, bro One out Do it does anyone call him out in the section for the second like I said, I'm not the first person to notice this other people have It's like he he's an account people are familiar with to the point of assuming He's like been he's like designed to just farm and stimulate like star wars fans Chin them on social media can't believe they teased us with a subplot about doth more leading various crime syndicates only to never really follow up on it again You can't believe that. Yeah, I can't believe they've done it a lot But can you see the way that he speaks in all of these just don't oh, yeah Like I think that's the pattern like it. This is a This is AI What was weird though is like, I know he's real we covered it before it's like what happened to you Did you sell your soul? Skynet And now this is where it's us getting funny. They're a failed attempts at making viral tweets. Check this one out Oh the upcoming star wars movies starring daisy ridley is set to begin filming on april 7th 2024 Just news and he's like absolutely surreal exciting headline Can't believe one of the best star wars characters is finally coming back. What an amazing time to be a fan Okay, all right If you're not real Finally is the word that screwed him there It's funny because it's it's always with a picture or a gift or anything because that's that gives you more engagement all the time it's just it's just so It's it's so Deliberate I was looking at some of his later like latest stuff and it's like these feel like the more real ones I don't read my replies anymore. It's still easy to be distracted by the worst people in this community If anything it's just annoying once again extremely thankful for the friends and great mutuals That I've made through talking about stars on this app like that's probably him a normal-ish person Yeah, and then it's like 200 likes You know His engagement reaches as much as like 60k you know Like the actual tweets where he's giving his opinions and stuff. It's like nobody gives a shit It's only his the robot viral ones that prove him by algorithm to work Yeah, he needed to type it out like I still don't really read my replies anymore Check this one out, right? It's like I'll probably be baffled by people who say the rise of skywalkers by father with stars movie It's easy to argue that when this Then he's like there's something really profound and special about this moment calling back to anakin saying the biggest problem in this universe Is that nobody helps each other? But beyond that I love how the saga essentially ends with the entire galaxy standing up against tyranny Don't need to read the rest you get it. This is like, oh no 100 likes. Oh, that's what didn't work. Damn it This one didn't this one wasn't pig fire They don't know which way is up. You just can't defend it. It's just too many hard counters. It's over. It's just such a funny Such funny bullshit analogy for modern star wars fans. There's don't know which way stuff Fucking oh one day. They'll figure it out. That's gotta be sad realizing that that's your life Oh, well, so right. This is where we actually I wanted to get to that point. So this is him Think about the engagement levels. He's had right and what he has to do He has to point out obscure fun facts that appeal to nostalgia and your love of the actual stuff Yeah, worded like an ai and worded. Yeah worded like an ai and he hasn't discovered He just read about it somewhere or heard it from something, you know the newest star wars content That's actually releasing thinking about doing bad batch episodes reviews are shorts with a longer video on the entire series In series as a whole season series 19 likes Wow It's only been five hours though to be fair Well, so that was kind of the point of showing the one from three hours ago had 200 likes And that one was just him saying I don't like engaging with negative comments and that you're all great Uh, this is this is an account rise that has tweets with multiple tens of thousands of likes on tweets 19 on this one I feel like this happens a lot though where you have some content creator on youtube And they're like man, I thanks for sticking by me guys I'm or I'm feeling down and they want to get their little sympathy up votes Yeah, I'm feeling down lately and I'm not going to talk about the haters and they get a decent amount of likes But then once they actually make a tweet that's about something substantive regarding their content Nobody gives a shit. I think you're right though This one I think is one of the best at accentuating how he's like pushed himself into becoming an algorithm For star wars tweets doing well, but that he has to bite the bullet and understand like that doesn't do anything for yourself Well, so here's another example, right? It's the tony stark thing with the suit except it's it's him in the algorithm instead of peter and the the spider suit if you're nothing without this algorithm, you shouldn't have Here we have uh, this is two days ago New video we all know palpatine's rise to power in the eventual fall of the republic But what happened to velorum after he was voted out of chancellorship? The answer is quite possibly one of the biggest mysteries in star wars canon Don't forget to share and subscribe and stay updated Under 80 likes He just retired right like velorum So this is the uh, the thing that gets talked about twitter You can't convert twitter likes into youtube views, but you can barely convert twitter likes into twitter likes Yes, we are doesn't seem like it No, youtube's got a little bit of that too in some ways where it's like it's just not every There's a there's a whole rhythm to this shit. That's just hard to grasp and like this guy is way better though than like Twitter in terms of the tangibility of uh, of like Which I guess I don't even think it's really surprising because if you have a tweet That goes viral. What is that? That doesn't necessarily mean anything about whether or not they're interested in what you have to say in general Because you can just do one really funny really funny tweed. I was like, oh look. I did the really fun. Yeah, they go That was great. If you make a really good video if you make a really good video That's like, oh, well, shit. Maybe he's made some other really good videos. So the it's more organic Yeah, if you see a funny to post on twitter, you're like, oh, that was funny and then you keep scrolling to the 78 Next to it behind it People see a little fun fact to it and they're like, oh cool. Yeah, I like that fact to it. Anyway moving on with my life Yeah, there's like no transfer On youtube the uh, the the subscribing to the content and even for all of its problems the recommended They often work out to sort of give you similar things that you've watched. So Yeah, there's something there. There's something there. Well structured. Most people just use recommended 90 of the times That's kind of that's me You type something specific like if it's like, oh, what was that thing like you're trying to narrow it down But generally it's recommended carrying you through your week Yeah Kind of phases and stuff. He's at 154 views on his valorem video on youtube 154 You couldn't didn't quite work out with the I said it's just getting you can farm twitter likes like I said They just so they're so hollow like in terms of being able to do anything pretty small channels from what I feel And so almost bad for him that he has to be like a robot and search through factoids and find all the best language To properly phrase tweets to best cycle through the algorithm and it means nothing He wasn't saying it means nothing. It was just oh, wow Yeah embarrassing himself anything. Yeah, he's got a uh many thoughts about star wars q&a it is Four days away. Is that him light speed? No, it isn't that's nothing else. Um Let's see. No, it is him. It is him. He just has a Star Wars channel called he has a channel called light speed and it has 242 views after four days He's trying to sort of boost it with the with the twitter stuff. I said, it's just not working But we'll give him a chance. I'm always interested in new opinions. He's got a video on the acolyte trailer. It's only four minutes Give it a look. Oh, all right. Shit. Oh, he's called it a breakdown. So maybe he's got some stuff in here that we missed That'd be cool Some for some reason I didn't connect that the video was gonna be on this guy. I don't know why I didn't connect I'm so excited now. Oh, this is his channel lightspeed. Here we go So he's gonna tell us what's to be excited about with the acolyte because he's one of the people who's more so You know in favor of it compared to us. So it'll be interesting. Check it out. I could tell that it was tweets Yeah, wow Oh, he's got the last Jedi poster right there as prominent His pot he's got a fucking He's already dizzy He's got funko pop for rose tico. He did that up Who would buy a funko pop of rose tico Is that chris gore? Like who's the one on the left? Look, I don't want to I don't want to do the I don't want to do the thing But I'm gonna like this face with how he looks the rose tico funko pop the last Jedi poster Finish it's a vibe. It's a vibe I thought I thought you would say he's well groomed rags. Look at him. He's well. He's he's I mean There's all the side stuff on the sides on the face, but Maybe that's just uh, it's just a preference thing He's got he's got an interesting eyebrows. He's got something about the Kirby k-pop. They're very expressive Yes, yes, there's no. Yeah, which to be honest with you is perfect because there's not much emotion in the acolyte trailer But he can bring it The trailer for the point it out if you will anticipated is honestly kind of an understatement We knew it was coming for years It shocked us we knew it's actually the uh the red lightsaber though Oh That shocked me. That's when I pressed the like button and subscribed to do anything plus Because that was a red lightsaber. Who yeah serious question What do you what do you think's the worst name the aculate that just like is like nothing? Or the rise of skywalker that sounds like shit, but at least references like you know I think the acolytes a better title than the rise of sky. I think I prefer the acolyte. Yeah I prefer the acolyte I would go with the neutrality of it. The acolyte would be weird in in the format of like a the skywalker saga film titles Meanwhile the rise of skywalker is a tv show name would be pretty weird Again, you know, I mean like this context that worked better for both, but I think I would go with acolyte. Yeah Things were kept pretty secret from pretty much everybody involved with this series with the very few details that we were told What one of these like what are these edits with all the Swiping in well it also the hand last because he's doing all these motions with his hands But then all the images go on top of the hands like It's it's just He just loves to articulate He's high energy he needs to express like crazy and he's gonna do it by gum Which is really funny considering like all of the leaks with all of these other recent star wars projects What a really good that was a really good uh The high quality this high quality images you found of these big If you're gonna do this put the They're the leak images right now. I'm out ahead of time. So that's why they look bad. Oh, that's oh, okay Makes sense fair fair. We retract our insults Yeah, I was I was I was distracted why his main channel Jacob Suggs is lowercase, but he uppercase is on and the so it was distracting me. Oh, yeah, that's uh, that's not Correct. That's not correct. I like the uh, the future Suggs coming in on the past Suggs here It's a huge blurry mess, but it's like it's so urgent What future Suggs has to say the past Suggs is out at this point is our presenter Autistic image title though. So the the the capitalized T on on thg might be appropriate because That being said after dropping one of the hardest teaser posters, I think I've Hardest oh, come on There's another way that's been ruined and fire and Hard has been ruined. Yeah, in your entire life. This is one of the hardest I don't believe you to be fair. His his life is only like 20 years. So it could be 22 You never know what would have happened Somehow I'm even more hyped than before because well, I'd say Oh, no another future Suggs coming in the past right off the bat the vibes that the trailer gives All the vibes and it just shows him sitting there Board I like how he went full circle to the little alien guy. I like that. Yeah I can't believe how the arches had the asian guys like the aliens about to fall asleep. Yeah That one alien just hoping no notices. He called close his eyes Like god, how come I how come we're the only two aliens in here and both of our eyes are pure black with no line for expression You know, that's a question. They're just like Even though we're joking about this Even though we're joking around about this I still it still highlights the potential of how much you can get Just by having alien characters like we're just this discussion just from their features Just aliens being in the room in this stupid scene. It's getting more than like, you know, Whatever characterization we're gonna get on this show. I just wish they would commence Is it a coincidence that they both have funko pot pies? Oh Dang it. I only thought about it because that's another thing I hate about the funko pops the dead-ass eyes Every time I look at the high republic and the prequel trilogy itself in all the best possible ways if you're asking me What was that? The way this is edited is fucking nuts. So what is the zoomer editing? Wristling back and forth his angles they could be like he'll actively interrupt himself to just say the end of the sentences Hang on right there, buddy. I gotta finish this myself people can't people can't keep attention for more than 16 nanoseconds I have to have some sound effect or some sort of a video slide or I have to turn my body or I have to wave my hands I have to throw cocaine at the screen. I think he's evolved like the pointing wasn't enough It's just not enough people were like the pointing school man, but I need more I need some slides There's a difference between just difference between like pacing and like just distractions because this to me just screams like insecurity either himself, he's not confident that he can entertain his audience or he's not like Confident that he has an audience with a proper attention span, you know, like this isn't what you should be doing If he's figured out how to get algorithmically successful tweets, maybe he'll do the videos someday No, I'm gonna point the fingers in the right direction Republic and the prequel trilogy itself in all the best possible ways. Yeah, what was that? Stop It is actually hyper distracting to pay attention to what he's saying because it's like And then in the back you have the you have a cantina music that's like remixed to be this lo-fi jazzy Thing it's all it's all distractions. It's there's no purpose The opening alone it looks like something that you would just see released around the time of the prequel trilogy It looks like something you see released around the time of the prequel trilogy. Okay Explain explain yourself The prequel trilogy and Coruscant is that why? I am I'm like So he he was talking then he puts a visual on screen and then we have like for two seconds The frame of I guess the end of that sentence with the new frame coming in What is that? It's he's already outdated new sucks. Let's go which makes sense considering that it aligns perfectly with the synopsis that they got for The series you get a flash frame there. It makes sense Taking place Synopsis Dude, there's something hilarious about the fact that it's like my brain is fried It makes sense that it evokes the prequels considering it sat a hundred years before the sequel of prequels. Just like that's kind of funny Snuggle a puppy medal it helped It's weird that this is credited as the acolyte synopsis lucas film That's not something a human does That's very weird an investigation into a shocking crime spray picture respected Jedi master against a dangerous warrior from his past Oh my goodness. I can't wait to see what happens. I hope he I hope they'll die. I don't know. A lot of people have been highlighting that um, if it's a seath It'll fuck up the line from the prequels about how the seath haven't been spotted for like a thousand years I was I was see it. That's kind of my opinion straight away. It was like, yeah, they'll fuck that up Why wouldn't they they fuck everything up? Unless everyone who sees the seath dies or they become seath Well, so I was gonna say there's there's a lot of ways around it Not that I would assume they would want to work toward that But like you could have all kinds of things that would explain a line like that still happening Even if there's a seath here that gets killed Everyone could die or it's not a seath or the light sabers actually from a Jedi It's just made it red because he's all mad. He was the first to discover the red, uh, flavoring that you could sprinkle on your dilithian crystal All is an investigation into a shocking crime screen pitting a respected jedi master against a dangerous warrior from his past So it looks like we're gonna have like a murder mystery or detective story set within the star wars universe Which again feels very maybe Oh, what's gonna happen is very prequel. Why here's what's gonna happen It's going the first episode is going to mildly be be about an investigation And then the plot will happen and that will never be revisited only the Part of the first episode will have anything approaching that kind of a concept for the show Yeah, because by episode two, it'll all be revealed like who it is and what their motivation is Yep, we'll be going into space. We'll be doing something. We'll be tracking someone across the stars Galaxy spanning consequences of the story. Yeah, we'll learn about why the oh and acolyte is of a weird glowing Yeah Order to another dimension or something and that's why she's killing the jedi Not because of any personal grudge or something She needs their blood to open the doorway to the different dimension or some shit Yeah, yeah, because there's an old force temple on an old planet and they have to put the thing on the pedestal So that it opens up the something to i'm also amused by like it'll be something to find out much like in episode two Which is why it evokes the prequels Yes, okay, remember Endless reactions here. Well to be to be fair whenever people ask me as they often do rags What's your favorite part about star wars episode two attack of the clones? I say well, I love I love it in this movie. It's really about trying to find out something That's what are you always saying I think that's really the core of star wars Yeah, there's no mist trying to find stuff out a zero mystery box stuff in the jj abram star wars Remember master cypher deus I don't Master cypher deus Ordered the clones. No, shut the fuck up. I mean, what does he do if they say it? Oh, oh, you said it. Well, you did say it like obi-wankan obi. Um, yeah, he says a lot of things Yeah You're referencing when obi-wankan obi talks about master cypher deus. Yeah I still can't get over the fact that we've never heard about That's right. That's kind of what I was getting that was just the the attack of clones is a funny movie They're all funny. It is a weird movie I love just trying to figure out the whole clone plot thing. It's just bizarre and weird Doth tyrannous. Anyway, go on attack of the clones. It's very influenced by the prequels as you can tell And if there's one thing that I love about my republic era that is awesome. I don't know that I care I don't give it. I don't Yeah, I know it was really influenced by the prequels the fucking obi-wankan obi show Plenty of prequels in that And it isn't even the prequel era it's the high republic era as you've just pointed out Which is a different era than the prequels side Well, you know His primary praise because by the way for those at home We're like a third of the way through his primary praise so far as it's connected to the prequels Not really in story but sort of an aesthetic Yeah Okay, that means nothing in terms of quality, but okay It doesn't mean that much in terms of star wars. Like, I mean, yeah Like you've been in the same robes and lightsabers and there will be robes Very, well if he's saying that the acolyte cross guards in that picture though to be fair Well, if he's if he's saying that the acolyte is going to be a CGI monstrosity, then yeah, it's going to Prequels really well There was some practical stuff there. I guess you got to say that these days always you make everyone mad There are some practical stuff Whatever I will say it's funny to pause this video because most of the time it's him in motion Yeah, the amount of cuts he has of the few I like that he's animated. He's really excited to talk about stuff Pointing a little things out Texas rangers kind of like traveling around the galaxy. What? Texas rangers do not travel around the galaxy No The jedi travel around texas and it's very big it's like it's basically the Texas is the gale and they stop crime and they investigate things and they have some extra judicial power And then the lightsaber comes out and they say Stuff and then force happens and then they go. Oh, yeah a sith and then they go Would we would we have not understood the sentence they robe around the galaxy like space ranger Anything. No, you have to you have to relate them to the texas rangers. You have to remember this guy is he's ai Like it's all He's not gonna I don't think he's gonna like elaborate on any of these thoughts It's just gonna be buzzwords and like these just I think it's sweets I'll give it to him. This is a better point of something than the previous point He had the prequel so like just saying wouldn't it be fun to see a Group of jedi that travel the galaxy searching for answers to a case related to some conspiracy that may be happening If doesn't I'm sure if I just made that up as opposed to that's what he's saying, but even still it's uh It's a lot to draw from a trailer that doesn't really show you that at all other than like like it shows you the the disdivision Just the meta referent like meta information about the high republic that is basically being stated I feel like this is actually something that's just been stated by writers on that project that that's what they are Because the trailer just said I are in that world The the trailer just said someone's killing jedi a darkness is rising That's it. Don't you guys pretty much like can't trust your eyes for kids I have a feeling that all the investigative portions of it are going to be very fucking lackluster like Probably Based on a soka. Yeah, look at her stupid little investigations. Well, hey, this isn't written by feloni. So there's a chance it'll be okay Is it kind of ironic that a that a that a the tv show trailer essentially begins with a line don't trust your eyes Well, it's what fringe is bringing up right that it's probably going to be thematically relevant at least as far Maybe we're giving them too much to say that It's gonna be my guess would be that it is like, uh, see the galaxy looks peaceful But it ain't and that's your eyes deceiving you the force will guide you Remember old palpatine tricked him. He clouded them. That's how he did it in the prequels put little clouds everywhere But again anakin kind of trusted in the force and that didn't go very well for him Yeah, but then luke did and it did go well. So there That's uh, yeah, so it's all balanced out. Yes Do you remember when we covered the guy? I don't think I don't think it fringy was there rags But the guy who said that the bounce the force was literally individual users as in I think I know what you're talking about the force always rebalances based on the amount of users there are currently active Freddy prins jr. No, no, no, no, no, we cut a video Went over it like in depth with diagrams and showed like the sides and the progress over time and the Ray was activated because there was too many sith Time led him to that theory like We'll try to like just let it go balance is good. The light side is balance. That's the point Yeah, George made a balance It's not meant to be like, oh, well, we got to fucking balance the scales here Whether we got enough yet. I am set fighting each other. This is he completely made it so confusing Like what is it? Like what what is this balance now like hyalurin? I added the force Like what the fuck is that New major a duty in the foot That's one of the biggest mysteries in all the Star Wars is by Palpatine died I have to say and he wouldn't die No, the biggest mystery in Star Wars is where's Valoran? Yes. Yes I just assumed he he you know moved away to a nicer planet like Naboo or something like that got himself a nice cottage And you know he's a nice guy, right? Why didn't Kylo bring his lightsaber? Why did he die for music? People think that the Star Wars world you want to be a bounty hunter Or you want to be some cool Jedi or whatever? I was like no Fuck all that shit get out of this madness get yourself a nice little house on some Little town and some planet somewhere Finally settle down Fuck any walk on the train You know in the dr. Pershing episode. Oh definitely I also you know You like Dexter Jasta when he was doing his 50s dyna like when when Carson was flipped over in terms of who's you know Currently in power. He was probably fine. Yeah, like Palpatine might even have an order like, you know waffles and pancakes or whatever there every morning You'd be like, yeah, man Like, you know, you were friends. Obi-Wan. He's like no, I didn't even know Obi-Wan I don't know who that is You talked about it in the first Kenobi episode, but like Kenobi it should have been like History of violence like him trying to like, you know protect Luke But without revealing his identity and not revealing that he has to force yeah For some to be situations where he has to like actually choose. I'm gonna let this person die Or am I gonna potentially reveal? You know like my abilities like there's so many things they could have played with with the have the attention You don't just need lightsabers I just I want to see him cutting meat and stressing over absolutely Yeah, the past and like that first episode they had something for a second I remember I watched with my friend and he was so excited. I'm like, no, no, you'll calm down Just come down wait And then then I had to I had to like literally convince him to watch episode three after how bad too was I like that dexter dexter idea with him and people just kind of coming in palpatine Just walks in to get breakfast like it's a waffle house He's so awesome He sits down at the table and he has dexter jester. How come all your forks are shaped like camino saver darts? And then dexter jester says no reason How also would it be though like to legit have that scene and like for the actors to play it straight? I feel like old styles fans would enjoy it Take it seriously all these they don't take themselves seriously in any situation when they can and they get so much like They would people'd love it man. Well star wars needs to emulate the robot chicken parodies of itself And now emulate history of violence. That's a good movie. Metal we do a history of violence episode It's good The road one scene with bader isn't isn't just reference because it's a cool action scene It's it's because they took it seriously like those fucking launch like they were legit where like look like they're scared Yeah, I loved them like holy fuck. This is like a horror Scene with bader you nailed it never did a fucking cool thing with them ever again How long ago was that and it's not just the action It's the tone and just take it seriously take all the way and I'll show her row one So almost eight years on row one this year when we were speculating on Obi-Wan Kenobi options right because there's about 10 billion in terms of them being good The uh, and this is something is funny because you could just decanonize it and redo it again They'll never do that, but I don't know why no one's ever tried like the closest we've gone to is um Doc fate I guess saying that we're redoing the timeline. Fuck the two movies that came up for Then you know, I mean like I don't know see why they don't do that more like we game of thrones as you're saying It will that was the one they should have said a precedent and it should have changed the game But I'd be like, you know what we got the thing they would have they would have made their money It would have made no sense. What have they done since all the actors fucking Eternals and arias dressing like a freak now or fucking amazing Williams Yeah, as far as I see it is just like everyone assumes I guess that you wouldn't make money back But like I feel like you would though They would have certainly if it were like, you know high quality, but Imagine like the the the Kenobi show, but it just because I think we'd said it never never leave Tatooine You don't need to um How low budget that could be just by the fact that I fucking hate the amount of times they've used Tatooine Sets, obviously I wouldn't mind as much if it were actually good That moment of him acting with Vader at the end. Let's isolate that moment of like over a season. That's what I don't want to see in Vader at all No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the acting that he had the quality of the show The quality of the acting in that moment It is what we should have gotten over the season and see it in sort of seeing like the after I could have someone we read a Synopsis of like a potential Kenobi movie was going to be the use dealing with some kind of attack In local area like like people trying to take advantage of whatever town and stuff And so and I don't know if Luke got kidnapped or Luke was in trouble Or it was maybe uncle Owen right like he gets kidnapped And so Obi-Wan like tries to get involved but doesn't want to use the force doesn't want to use his lightsaber that sort of stuff And um, it would be awesome if they like hire a bounty hunter to help them Who's very aware of Kenobi's bounty? But like doesn't know what he looks or I guess how you'd work that around you'd have to Maybe he's just aware of Jedi but not Kenobi himself Yeah, those things you can play with and ways around it But yeah, then that was their original idea and then like the mandal influence just changed their plans If they were like really, you know, you build up the whole relationship by the time he hit the end of the season Uh, you know the bounty hunter guy is like about to get killed by someone and he has to save him by using Either a lightsaber or the force and by doing so The bounty hunter realizes who he is and then attacks him like how How amazing that could be despite the fact that we would only need a couple rooms caves You know really low budget an opportunity to show what he's willing to do to protect his identity to protect luke Like there's so much character We that it could it could have potentially been the best obi-wan content for a character that everybody loves But we haven't really gotten that much of he was just kind of like you don't even have to stop at one season You could keep Tackling it over because like the the fact that they brought in Liam Neeson's quite god jid to just go Hey, come on Good god I do you think that was them being like this will make people want a season to we'll get them I was watching I was watching those e-faps laughing as just freaky's like they're gonna bring a quagot, right? That was like quagot every single episode like on like quagon Uh, uh, what do you call us? It's don't worry about him. He's canadian. All right, it's fair Well, yeah, we thought uh, the last ditch attempt would be the when obi-wan is crushed by all the boulders that you bring him in Yeah, that's when you do it. Yeah, that makes sense. That's what he said. It was right at the end like, hey, let's go for a walk Come on now like remember when you needed my help and I wasn't there. Let's go. Where were you when I was under the boulder? It's okay. I do you think about Leia God we're not fans of that show. We're just everywhere. Yeah And enforcing the law whenever they can so having the show that takes that concept and brings it to life It really piques my interest a lot And I just have to say that that one shot at the end of the trailer All of the jedi just like without and ignite their lightsabers He did it. Oh mac me choir was so back We haven't been there, but we've returned. We're back. Do you think that's like, um Because hey that felt like the algorithm thing like him saying is without and ignite their lightsabers absolute peak Like we are so bad. He must know Oh Yeah, this is this is very uh Robotic, isn't it? I almost want to appeal to him pragmatically I'd be like, you know, you're one of the thousands of people saying this very same thing Don't you want to have something different to say? Anything? Well, yeah, I mean what chance do you have, you know, what chance do you have? There's a million things like this out there. We are so back. Are we? Well, that's the thing. Where did we go if you've loved all of this? You haven't gone anywhere. What's wrong? What's that? Yeah? Yeah Only came out a little while ago. The soka was great, right? You're already there. We're so there. We were already there or something here I mean like but What is he what what element of this is he saying makes it peak and You didn't hear the words No, they they they ignited their lightsabers Do I just do I just have a bad definition of peak because peak means nothing is better than this Meaning you're saying this is better than anything that's ever happened in They have they have thoughts. He thinks that you have all vocabulary. Oh everywhere Yeah, this lets us peek into the mind of a madman guys Good. Well, your mind has been just absolutely subsumed by internet vernacular and algorithms that guide Your uh choice. This is the retarded Negiverse version of us saying this is the worst thing I've ever seen like with a lot of films subsequently It would be like us saying this is valley, bro. This is just pure valley We are really far away, bro Very I've used the term peak recently And it was one I was doing kind of like a little impressions video on the tech in eight campaign And I do mean it when I say that the last few fights in that game are peak tech in because it's like the craziest Shit that happens between two of the strongest characters that have been around at least Both of them have been around since tech in three one of them since the original game And it's an epic battle where they end up in space With superpowers and then land on a volcano which are pretty significant in tech and and just have a straight up fist fight That's really significant here in the real world The volcanoes are Yeah, yeah, but I mean the the the guy you're fighting actually it was thrown into one by his father and I mean personally significant to those two specifically and uh the other the one He's the one that you're playing as is the son of that guy So the grandfather of the dude that dropped the guy in the volcano But anyways, I'm saying that's bringing a lot of story elements into the original From the original series to this moment in the narrative That's kind of like hey final showdown between jinn and kazooia let's see this go down and Have it be the most over-the-top anime battle you can imagine because that's what tech in has always been So I actually did mean it was the peak of that series storytelling that is granted silly anime shit So you might not like it, but if you do like it, it's like that they they pretty much gave you the the ultimate version of The tech in arc ending as so I was clear about saying peak as I enjoy how much you would desperate to justify using peak My point is though I had that much thought Because I'm thinking that like would you not want if if you're using a term that definitive Would you not want to at least have an argument that you could convince yourself of no? I I am completely I like to be subsumed in the algorithmic speaking at this point like it's Yeah, just it's fascinating to watch fire because it's kind of appealing to you It's big fire and west side back. Yeah And it's fascinating because this is just like kind of silly isn't it you know Remember your Your thought process for using the word Cataclysm for dr. Strange Oh god, I went over the amount of words I went through trying to figure out the what yeah, what's the right word? Oh, yeah, brainstorming the right words Yeah, well, and then I tested it out on loads of people being like Which do they captures the what I'm trying to go for which they get it It's so funny that I could have just said uh, it's just it's just fairly bro I haven't done too many too many of them But like for me that would be just a desecration like the desecration of luke like that's one of my first videos Like that word just like really that summarizes for me What I feel in terms of character character assassination like you've just desecrated something special just it's Ah, yeah, I know. I know what you mean mark. Sometimes the words words mean things. That's yeah words that meaning Well, I'm not gonna blame him for destroying peak. That's the world for you Uh We all make fun of like radical and it's like well that is just that peak is just this year's vision of that right? That's all that is Yeah radical bro bring back radical We've got tubular tubular Tubular is the funny one. It always was I will say I feel like probably wrong even biased but I feel like The eruption of cool being used to describe stuff Kind of came up with the 90s in 2000s and it's it's managed to survive. It's just accepted I mean I'm I'm an old man So I was I was around in that time and I also think it has a lot to do with bart simpson specifically Pull me in I just think that like it's it's not cringe enough that it it like burnt out. It just stayed Seeing stuff as cool We peak will leave eventually He will leave the room and we will all be happier for it But enough about the Jedi let's switch over and talk about the dark side and the sith consider He said this space texas cowboys Yeah And it is peak and we're so back and now we're vader. Oh, we're now back to the sith This is what I mean about the distractions like in his editing. We're like it's Like he hasn't said anything now. He's just like oh enough of the jedi. Give him said shit Like well, and so for anybody we're halfway through now. That's half of the points done Yeah, all right. Oh my god During that their presence is just kind of looming over this entire teaser. I mean looming. They're like actively attacking Yeah She's right there. They're just yeah, it's about them Assuming this is a dark side because I don't even know who knows Because this could just be some random assassin, right? Like not random It won't be random in the story, but it may not be a sith assassin I Is the sith lord person Hey, I'm I'm leaving it open I mean it just like I can't I can't help but think they're like, why do they have her here if they're not Going to like make her the the the one to whom Someone becomes an acolyte presumably this well, so here's a radical thought we we we had these thrown out For obi one and then it turned out to be true like Maybe she's gonna be a good guy by the end of the season Yeah Doesn't that sound like the kind of shit disney saw was due with it just like yeah She she's misunderstood. Oh, she's trying to kill the jedi because they know they can't I was about to throw in like they can't know a secret And I was just like fucking whatever it doesn't need a reason they would just be like I'm just understood. I thought you guys were the bad guy. It's just like yeah, whatever fine My first take when I saw them fighting is that like they're both going to be redeemed at the end or anything Like they can't be made. They're not going to make a bad people character. It's just disney. They just can't Which just feels like I'm good and yeah like reba When designing stories in their little boardroom, it really does feel like someone says, um Bad guy turns good Yeah, that's all right. Nice. Oh great idea. All right. See you tomorrow guys. That's it Like pretty much that's most of the season That's all they learn from the ot like the fact that they don't vader sacrifice They just don't understand why it was significant. They just try to get a lady turn good That's it. And then they have like some in turn be like, what are we putting the middle and it's like come up with something It's like what if the little girl was chased by many grown men in a forest that could be good? Yeah, let's do that. Excellent. That was the scene. That was the odd Let's make it go on for a really long time. I love that the fucking actress baby leah like she made fun of that scene As she should Yeah, she made fun of that and the the cloak thing, right? She was adorable and she was actually a good actress when they gave her like, you know content for the few scenes like I She doesn't deserve that show. I don't think it'll fall No, I hope not But she didn't deserve it. It's just like like I just you know the whole thing with jake loyne and everything I just I see her being stronger than that. I think she's gonna like Acknowledge what that was. I don't know. Well jake. I'd hate to see jake. Lloyd has Schizophrenia, I think he's diagnosed with a mental illness, but Yeah I think people try to claim that the pressure of what happened with stars what gave him schizophrenia, but I think his mom has said That's not true Oh, okay. So narrative that people just jumped. It's yeah, let's be honest People love a chance to say toxic fans are the worst they ruin people's lives and all this stuff when we wouldn't advocate for Or ever do any kind of sending messages to actors that makes no sense Look at all the rose tico shit like who gave well Other than when actors themselves put out a message saying like fuck all of you You know if they do something like that but never for their performances No, even if they're shit Sometimes when they ship performances, it's funny. Look at madame web I think so many people were able to separate like I'll give you another good example. Um kramer from sinfield I know so many black people who still Enjoyed his character is kramer even though memory of that racist rant he went on like ruined his career like at 10 years ago Yeah, but you make your decision there of just like, you know on one side Like black person you're offended, but on the other side, man So I'm in a bad set like it's just like you just you separate you separate these things You know his kramer that that performance is iconic. I'm not gonna just shit on that Kevin's face is another one Yeah, I was about um Question behind every movie kevin spacey's ever been in which was good, which sadly is quite a few Yeah, I watched He's a creepy fucker as part of the reason it it comes across in all of his performances Like I watched american beauty In the theater when I was like in 98, so I would have been like hey, it's like And my ball would take me to these things. They didn't give a fuck Um, I just remember being like this is the creepiest fucking man I've ever seen in the movie. Why'd they take me to this? This is so awesome Yeah, you put fucking put that with seven and uh, you know house of cards It's just like this calculated manipulative horrible monster. Like you're really good at playing that guy. Yeah, he's so good, man I I think as a really counted him being an actor then Yes, you took her out of my mouth some of the best actors have to have a little bit of themselves in the performance He's an actually creepy creepy fuck Denzel's actually a cool motherfucker christian bale I think has some serious angry anger issues Yes I think a piece of it has to be real a piece for some of the best It's very rare that things as simple as lightsabers tend to be fine into this man One shot the red lightsaber igniting and being thrown at the end of this trailer. Tell me why it's good. Come on I beg you give me something anything please Really peaks my interest a lot actually you already said that about the other stuff Now to be fair peak peak and uh, they're two different peaks one is peak and the other is pi UUE You know, it's what he's you know, yeah, that's uh technically too different. He says now if now if he was to spell them out I don't know if i'm saying he's his interest was peaked earlier I'm pretty sure he mentioned that about the fact that it's jedi detectives or whatever. He's like, oh my interest. Yeah peaked I was my interest was peaked by the peak fire So I peeked into the trailer See that's three peaks three different peaks Not really a peek around or at least the jedi are led to believe if you're asking me I feel like this show has the potential to fill in some gaps of the prequels and explore the sith unlike Wow, what do you how 100 years before the prequels? Yeah Fill the gaps in the prequels a hundred years before that happened what this is like All quite on the western front is going to fill in some gaps from the hurt locker That's such a good point, but this guy should say it Is way funnier than it was Yeah, it's not a hundred years. So, you know, it's about appropriate God so desperate to even claim anything is happening because nothing's happening This is like a prime example. I'm telling you for anyone in the chat It was like, oh the positive if you're new for the type of shit. This is why you pause You'll miss how fucking stupid this is like this is like he's not saying anything All of this is just complete nonsense. Like it's so bizarre to see this I don't even know what it could be it had to be like yoda back story because he'd be alive I mean Like does he mean lore stuff because do they care about lore? Uh Less I don't even know what they know the meaning they might be like the law Like la w and you're like no no this like stories that happened before peeking the law Maybe even giving us our first live action look at dark plague us. Oh fuck off Okay, let me be clear Let me be clear because this is going to be people who be like, whoa, whoa, why do you hate that? It's like it's not about that. It's the like I wish I could see a video from someone who speculates plague is showing up and then follows up with why they would like that to be explored What it's going to mean to the characters why we would discover more and maybe even Reference to like third-party stuff or you know, eu that's been lost now about like how all there was a really meaningful story That regarded plague is that they could maybe adapt like just please give me something instead of you know the guy The one he described a key. He wants to see jangled. He didn't describe a character that he wants to see Well, maybe he will in the remaining Like minute of video That's what happened to thron. I'm assuming. Oh, yeah for all the hype Okay, give it to me space tywin. I've heard all this shit. I can't believe we got that coping asshole like this They did I'm not even getting uh, it was I think I'd first heard of thron before we'd even started e-fap and stuff obviously because he's he's not exactly a young character in terms of 1993 I think I hadn't heard of him because I didn't really explore The extended stuff but all expanded universe I guess what's called right but like the the the thing we can't we'd said for like years on end on e-fap is you don't want him Because they'll ruin him and it's so weird to think now like they did they eventually it took years But they had him and they ruined him and it's like his plague is the next one. It's like, yeah, probably It's probably the next one's coming and he's gonna be ruined That's what I was saying I feel like he's gonna be the next thron in terms of the same pattern because This guy is like more people probably know about plague is because of the prequels than thron And thron was still like hyped and completely obliterated I just from the performance to his pot like everything is postures little potbelly like just nothing was working and I just I Don't botch this one if of it like leave this alone leave I don't ever want to see it and but like it's is it not indicative to you There's it's just like that is stars, isn't it and that's how it chins the fans forward It's just like well, we haven't ruined this we could see this guy that hasn't he's being they can't like We know this actually has an effect they can't nobody's saying like I hope boba fat gets his own x is like Yeah, because they did it. They spent the car just done Over it's ruined Good job guys Not to say that if they bait a sequel trilogy that people wouldn't be the sequel season that people wouldn't be like Ooh, you know, there'd still be some hype But like you've killed the majority of it So it's like so because plague is thinking about it that is digging a bit You know, he's no He's no obi-wan Kenobi show. He's no like clone wars show This is a character that some people may not even know what we're talking about when we say doth plague is For instance, like because he's for a lot of people. He's only referenced what in revenge of the sith and that's it, right? But that might be enough like That's what i'm getting at is the they have been they have squeezed So much of star wars you just like what what do they have left and they've started like uh, it would be useful to have Ryan here to sort of explain this but they squeezed the shit out of expanded stuff without people mostly knowing Like they've stolen so many so many character ideas and then like ruined them It's um, it's remarkable actually like if we had a hundred things they could have gotten to they've gotten to like 60 65 And it just feels like yeah, we're gonna keep going and the plague is maybe next on the plate at some point Just what can we use what can we like just milk? There's just no story I'm shocked. They haven't used revan or darth bane yet because those are probably yeah, those will probably come up Starkiller Starkiller, i'm not sure if they want to canonize Starkiller at all Never even played the game there is I never even played the game. No, but they steal I just think I think they would rather Like a They might what they might do is bring in Announce that we're gonna be having a new character that was an apprentice of Darth Vader It's going to be played by sam witt were and he's not going to be called star killer But the you'll understand everyone's going to get super hype and then they release the show and it's terrible We go I think he might be a character in that new ubi soft game coming out the outer worlds one of what I don't know what I certainly still Participates uh, something the theory brought up on one of our latest star gross was that he said that There used to be a time and I and because it's one of the clips I reference in If a part four I think Of um or three where sam witt was making fun of tlj and his live stream and he says like yeah That was like one of the last times you'll get that he doesn't do it anymore Like he doesn't he's not that honest about his perspective on stars anymore because you know You can't be and simultaneously continue to work Yeah And it sucks because i'm sitting you're like that that that is shit actually because yeah You kind of need to tow the line somewhat if you want to make a difference from the inside, you know Mm-hmm Play the game Yeah One is funny, right because you might see john favreau or dav felonius being that kind of thing It's just like why don't they have power now use it Make a change if you can But the people who do that look what happened I feel like edward norton would have been a better hulk he would have had the balls We've talked about this before. Oh sure. Yeah, but he's just too disagreeable, right? And yeah, and he's probably you could get pro called problematic Henry cavill for wanting to like stick to the lore gen ortega Um, well as much as it's difficult I get what you're saying It could be something that we're not like it could have been that working with edward norton is so fucking difficult You never want to work with him again sort of thing go be that I I would like to know what one thing I can't remember where I heard it But I do remember him saying that he wanted it to be like much more gritty He wanted the the incredible hulk to the movie to begin with him trying to kill himself Well, he wanted a much darker version of it and yeah, keep in mind He wanted I think to he had his own script and he wanted to Film his own scenes like while they were filming the scenes for the main directors so he could present like his own ideas which That's quite an ass considering Joss Whedon got cancelled for having said like fuck you to people giving him script notes like not even Filming their own shit like imagine directors who just aren't interested at all And then you go like yeah, can we just take five to to film my scene? We're like, uh, no You fucking delusional freak like why would we ever do that? We're like, okay, jeez How do you get to the point that you're in business together making a film and you guys don't have like your your Mutual interests established and like clearly like I actually think that's probably more common The higher the budget goes because everyone's thrown together like and just like make the thing We all know you're reliable and then they all clash on their different operations like When they bring in like a fixer up a director who's supposed to get the job done It's specifically because they'll be like you go there you go there you go there and someone's like Oh, I had an idea. It's like shut the fuck up go there stand there right now. And you're like, okay There's no room for it at that point. Yeah, it's a simple thing of like try ordering a pizza with three people Okay, and I'll try ordering a pizza with 17. You can put Pete. Oh, I think man is a topping You just know it gets so complicated like there's too many cooks in the kitchen type thing and Especially when you have the disney production whether you just have to turn out the sludge Every fucking month. It's like we can't do anything different. What's the thing right? Bean counters and stockholders they like produce more make more money and then the money starts going down stock starts going I was like, whoa, okay start. What's going on? It's like it turns out it's quality. They're like, what was that? What is that word? What does that mean? I just don't you make more and Then more happens the disconnect. Um, yeah, it's like you never know like I think this is true I hope it is but I remember when they went in to make the Lord of the Rings through Jackson They thought they're only gonna let them make one movie and like there's three books make three movies And then they're like, okay, and then that's how they got the green light to go through Yeah, I think he was interested in making two right and then they said do three No, it was one. He thought they only let them make one and they he's no there's three books make three movies like All right, bro Well, I know originally the hobbit trilogy was gonna be two movies. Oh fuck. Thanks. I should have been just Should have been zero, but like What They could probably have made three hobbit movies if they would you know Absolutely, they could one of the things that struck me about the hobbit film is not to go on another tangent It's just that like uh, how little I understood the the main characters and it's like, yeah You could have there's so many scenes we're missing where I got to know them So you could obviously put them in because of our very Of our three main characters only one of them was good So do you remember mary when and when the hobbits were leaving the shire and they're like we have to get debris and mary's like Buckleberry fairy come with me like later. Let's go. Just he knows that these don't know the fuck's going on But that's a friend like immediately we get their characters Established from the very beginning and like it's it's so nice to have them helping during that situation because you're You're fucking getting chased by nausea and shit and that took what 30 seconds They couldn't do that for like for 10 dwarfs. I don't know one of the names I couldn't tell you a damn thing about any of the dwarfs And like I one really you couldn't rest one of them likes the elf lady to be Rare movie at all Legolas was to be fair some of the dwarfs are actually quite well characterized, but which we Are thinking of specifically ballin. Maybe wallin There's one dude who looks kind of like Chad like and the rest of them were just like the uh, the one that Which one that really comes to dwell in is the the first one who arrives. He's the big He's the bald one right big warrior guy. I remember like in bylin Hot take hot take all in is good, but I'll take durian The the dwarves and rings of power were better than the dwarves on the hobbit. No, throw that out there. Yes No, no, there isn't a lot of issue. No during many issues not talking about writing not talking about writing I'm talking about the portrayals I liked durian I like to drama with his dad that that was the only part of the show that had any Anything to it. I think ballin and dwellin were quite good And during his strong moments thoren's very good promise thoren's hit and miss, but You know what? I haven't seen the movie long enough. Maybe I shouldn't say that but I'll get back to you on that Yeah, we're gonna get back to plagus Yeah, we gotta talk to play you might be here Look at that. Look at that image his eyes and a cloak. Wow. It doesn't mean anything to me. Yes It's peak cool sith Pado and flame. It's the hour I don't know. I'm just kind of spitball in here Oh, so it wasn't meaningful. It was just spitball Admitted nothing more than speculation. However, considering the everything Why do you keep doing that with his hands? He like puts him like they're like he's like karate chopping And you know karate. I know he's karate chopping your bad opinions with his good ones Is that a wedding ring that's black? It's really been. Yeah On his finger. I think so. Yeah I was gonna say something when people said he's like 20 years old. I was like, I don't know It doesn't have to be a wedding ring ring, I guess, but it's weird to put it on that finger if it's not Yeah, and it is on your Wedding rings on your left hand, right? How yeah common is it for people to wear Rings there when they're not married I have no I mean, no people wouldn't be common at all. Yeah I'm trying to think of the last time I've seen that and it's like, what have you Hey, one of you go on twitter and just just ask him. It's like, hey I noticed in your video you were a black wedding ring. What's uh, what's up with that? Oh, I thought you were gonna say right it's like do a poll to see if people do it and then I was like Yeah, but you got to apply to the the algorithm so find out about a distant fucking fun fact about star wars And go like do you guys I I've always I can't stop thinking about the the bonus blah blah blah and then write the ends They're like, by the way, do you ever see people with wedding rings when they don't have The people I can't get over the fact that despite not being married Han Solo is wearing a wedding ring for the entire original trilogy Have you guys seen this typically in your life your day-to-day is this normal? People don't ask the polish like the tweed. It's like Despite being in place entirely in the star wars uniform is Han Solo looks exactly like Harrison Ford. Whoa Incidence. Hmm. I can't stop thinking about it. Wow I feel like they're hiding something bit. However, I guess we'll find out what this is To the karate chop every time it cuts to him Do you think that they would ever hide something from a show that's many many many minutes longer than two minutes So here's the thing I think they need to pull out some stops here because people aren't gonna care about this show. I don't think no They need to uh show they need to show something It's not just um when we say key jangling We're not just talking about the insipid and fucking substance of this form of marketing It's like well, it does work somewhat. It gets people to be like, oh, I'll watch this yoda's in it. I like that guy People like the Kenobi trailer So, yeah, I would expect them in trailers, but like, you know, but He's like to speculate like Darth Plaguez could show up It's like you do know that most star wars fans don't even know Like how much of an implication on anything that is it'll be like, oh Okay um, you get the people who are obsessive but in a good way like, you know, even us we we know somewhat of what he means but Let me first of all, it's disney But secondly if he was to turn up at the end of the season for example, and it's like, oh my god He was the one pulling all the strings. Whoa Get ready for acolyte season two. We're all gonna be like wow. Okay We're gonna beat it if he's just fucking stoke. I guess he's like, but he's gonna be killed before the prequels Don't remind me. Maybe one of the 27 snow clones The first snow clone ever got sent Like 200 years back in time Pour it out for snow Pour it out Look at how bad the ending was Pour it into the skull's face Fucking hell through the portal that the lady opens with the Jedi blood I still think we could fix the whole franchise if we make snoke the woman in the archives Obi-Wan talks to in Attack of the Clones that is the key It just don't you think it brings everything together kind of it's like, oh shit that makes sense He started streaming on disney plus this june. You can rest assure I've already planned to cover every single episode on this channel. Does this not feel more like an ad than a breakdown? Yeah, I'm telling you It's a star wars is back peak fire. I'll watch I'll cover all the episodes here on this channel Wow, can't wait to see what it is. We are so back everybody He was talking though He was talking about doing reviews of the show in youtube short format So I think that this is him trying to figure that out He's talking about bad batch when he said that because nothing happens in bad batch episodes Like it too This is a man who he's struggling to get to three minutes talking about this trailer Meanwhile, we nearly got to an hour talking about the trailer. I'm not even kidding 20 minutes on the beer guy So we did more than his video with one second But doesn't doesn't that I feel like that's indicative of a genuine passion and I hate using that word But like I what I guess I'm thinking about it's like it's it's the we have this We're trying to explain why we have the points of view We have based on everything that we've experienced with everything up to this point and what we think this is gonna be Meanwhile, he's like lightsabers looking good. Let's go Yeah, okay Do you like this stuff, man? Like really or do you just think it looks nice? It's pretty peak He hasn't said anything. I was just a break down. He just threw out maybe play this will show up. I don't know low Has he even talked about the potential of yoda what it would be that what it could add It'll fill in gaps in the prequels. That's what we'll do That would actually be a big indicator of if he actually does care because one of the potentials should be yoda And if he cares, he should mention that but I just feel like he's Throwing shit out the vibe of the trailer. I think it's going to be great and beyond that I'm going to take this time to recommend light of the jedi by charles sol If you've never read that it's a great introduction to the high republic era of star wars Absolutely phenomenal, but cannot recommend it. Why oh, why would I fucking do that? What's good about it? You just he literally said it like an ad Yeah, like you didn't tell us anything right? He said it's a great introduction to the high republic. It's really good Here's who wrote it. You should let you should like tell me about it, man Yeah, like what was your favorite character in it and why should I without spoiling? You know like why what character dynamics or adventures? How do they pace just tell me anything about it's a book This is the thing that happened at it, right? All these words in it. You can tell me about it's good. It's crazy I go on a rescue mission like this. There's a million possibilities what this book could be about and he didn't try to illustrate They got a dinosaur guy. What's his story? What's he do? I think you find out or something Isn't he like one of bosskas boss boss. Jeez. How do you do the possessive of a bossk bossks? I look at this. Oh man. That's a lot of best sounds. I look at this and I feel like they The least interesting thing to them the creators of this the least interesting thing in this picture Is the alien guy over there like that no interest in the ability is like just there's so many things we can explore When do we actually explore it? We have to tell the stories of the strong element in their lifesavers Like look at the hair too. Yeah, the hair cooker. This is the haircut, man I've seen people point out the the the haircut of the the guy around one random point this trailer is the same haircut as a lot of people a lot of stuff these days that Echo, Kazanze, Killmonger, there's someone brought it up. They were like, what was the last person you saw in real life? I was like, fuck. Yeah, it's been we're talking not just real life But also like vlogs and people just did videos. I was like, I haven't seen that haircut like ever It's always a big yeah Yeah, they just they think every single black person has that haircut and it's like in games movies every like There's like five different other examples. We didn't mention. I can't remember them, but miles miles Another one too. There's another one. Oh that suit with his hair coming out got made fun of Yeah, that part was really done And very easily identifiable one might Because instantly you're like, oh spider-man. He's a black guy He's a little terrible young. He has a distinctive haircut. It's like, all right. We've narrowed it down significantly Who the fuck you are Yeah, yeah Miles has a good suit like his suit looks fine in the game for most of it and then they change him to this Really weird looking one at the end. That's that's been like It's like dude, I just give me the normal one I remember way back when um spider-man 2 came out I had like a friend's older brother who was pissed that spider-man kept taking off his mask He shouldn't be doing that should be doing that and he's like that was just like the tiny bit of it But compared to now we're like they always just with nanotech helmets. Yeah annoying It's not just that. It's not sad that like that's just so far down the list though like of the issues Yeah Fucking nanotech And I think it would be perfect to kind of lead you into the acolyte again. I thought this is why Why you know the acolyte's about you don't know anything about the acolyte You know It's because uh that book was presented when the high republic launched us like the book the introduction That's like the one that you're meant to read but he didn't even say that if you'd said that But I I do find it it's just funny because he's just saying what the marketing for the book is Like he's not actually providing a new insight into why and would it even be isn't this aren't they separated by like a hundred years? As I was trying to point out he can't know that it would be a good lead up because he's he's not seen acolyte He doesn't know yet. Yeah I don't think he's read that book The high republic spans 500 to 100 years So it could be as many as 400 years earlier Yeah, probably fill in some gaps And he doesn't know what this goes about. Uh, don't know So I'm saying this guy is okay. So the light of the jedi set 200 years before the phantom menace So I don't know man 100 years apart And it's gotta be a good lead into the acolyte Like I know that there's actually no reason to conclude one way or the other But on the basis of this information I would conclude That it's not a good lead into the acolyte at all It's as far away from the acolyte as the acolyte is from the phantom menace But remember he thinks that it ties into the prequels This is why you don't collaborate on the your points. Just say them real quick and just people absorb it Like I was gonna say this guy seems like enthusiastic Chris duckman He's got all this editing and energy, but he's not saying anything like both of them just don't I see what you mean You knew that he knew that right like he had nothing Absolutely nothing, but that's why I'm saying from the beginning This is the thing that I don't get about some people If you're presented with a stone and that's it as a white room and there's a stone They say talk about it for an hour. I'd be like, all right. I think I Gotta give them a name and a story Not even that. I mean like uh, they go review the stone I'd be like, okay. It's hip-free, you know, like it like but what I guess I'm getting out I might struggle to get it to an hour, but I can get it to all the three fucking minutes Oh, yeah, yeah, you can look at the color and I don't even care about the stone I don't know stone stuff and yet I could still do it. How far can it Does it bounce out of the wall? Well, yeah, you can test all that stuff and P on it. What does it taste like when I lick it? I think I'm prepared for this one I think I'm gonna do it Oh, the fact that he couldn't struggle he struggled to say anything about it. Are you so excited? Well, apparently he's about to reiterate what he's already said because he started the sentence again This trailer was great. It gave me kind of everything that I expected But you're watching a little bit more, but it still kind of keeps a lot of stuff up to interpretation So for that alone a plus. I can't wait to see where they go Again, fucking Christ So essentially he said It had everything I it had everything that I was expecting and more and it left a lot of room for other stuff a plus All right, I want to ask him what is an f minus trailer look like what is that? Trailer look like what does it look like? average trailer A minus I want to see what an a minus looks like A plus One of the best trailers ever made That's why I hate when people throw numbers and like it knows like numbers is a little bit better But the specific gradings is like, what does that mean? Like well I assume your review is more so when the grades don't mean anything like if you just throw the same numbers If I'm gonna make a tier list, I'm gonna spend like hours going over the exact criteria of each letter And how they connect to each other now that like it's it should there should be a structure there They can actually follow so s tier means something you can have fun with it, you know But like at the same time just don't throw out a random a minus because I Be consistent with that That's the thing like I don't know like what made an a plus and not an a or an a minus because I don't even think you could Tell us that I want to hear this guy tell me like why god zilla minus one is good Like just tell me like you don't think he's ever in peak of fires Is it Particularly funny as if it had this level of enthusiasm review and that it ends with saying like a Minus you're like wait why? When the minus come in like what wouldn't it do it wasn't as good as the acolyte trailer? Somehow even more hyping before like I didn't think that was possible, but This dude is my new club by the way club. Shit. Oh by the way Okay, that that's uh, that's kid's terms that I don't understand Well, club club shit. It was just a classic sort of I love club shit. Oh, I think the origin of that is that um There's a tweet the tweet. Yeah, let me find it actually because I remember it is a funny tweet I'm unaware of this peak I like referencing glup shit. Oh because it's so accurate Yeah Yeah, so the tweet is every time a new stahl's movie or show is announced all the fans are like quote. Oh my god Glup shit. Oh is back Oh, okay I like a locks is true But the the thing is what I really like about that tweet is the better times of stahl's where that would be something that Like you do feel but you there's a backing of substance. You're like, oh shit. Yeah, that's happening But also it means this is because stahl's packaging is goofy as fuck at times But it's like fine totally fine like the the silly names or the absurd like Looking things in different places and stuff like the canteener is filled with there's like a werewolf in the canteener in a new hope Yeah, who cares because it's like I might have known the werewolf's name I know that one of the most expensive Star Wars toys to find like one of the most valuable ones back in the day was a random cantina goer named yak face It was like 150 bucks if you wanted to buy one in a package Which at the time was a lot for a second hand action figure and I think the impact you can have There's just a random character side, you know Yeah, when you have names like that in the original cantina in that movie and you find it out because you get every single Figure and you dig down until like one of the deepest fucking forums you find out It's like, yeah, that guy that guy's name is fucking Thumb-o groin and you're like that is so funny But then when everything falls apart and everything is shit And then you find out that one of the characters in solo was called thim sizzle punch everyone's like a shit The best example of that is probably lutz because his name wasn't said in the movie people just Well, yeah, but lutz is a really cool name What I'm getting at is the the goofiness becomes like not endearing when the content surrounding it isn't well made It's when it starts to come off as just like lame and gay and just trying to like, you know appeal In like look, we're star wars because we have a goofy name. You're like shut up I prefer the groin names when they were trying Groin names my groin is many names You don't care, you don't care about us. God damn it Anything how could he care when we are? Please like comment and subscribe Get that bell to stay notified and then tell me The video is only four minutes long. Where's half a minute? It's worth it already done. That's it. Oh Look at his outro image is the will between worlds possibly the most damage that's been done to star wars Oh right springy I have I have like I learned things from the star grift episodes that I just like I am tempted to watch the clone wars just with you guys just so that we can learn about this Like I these people listening to this who are like why is he recounting it so weirdly? But like this is this is all I got okay Ahsoka and vader have a fight The whole building like falls apart And then he leaves and then she leaves But then seasons later we find out that ezra goes into the will between worlds and pulls her out of the fight Even though we saw her leave the fight And so the assumption from fans is that she eventually went back through the will between worlds to re-enter that world in order to walk away In continuity if you understand what i'm saying It sounds like a good show I remember like when this was being explained to me and I saw some clips I was just like what the fuck was going on in the clone wars Why did you need to tell this story like what happened? You know it's funny because a lot of it is now bleeding into like live action stuff because the will between worlds What we saw it was absolute insane nonsense But there's a lot of people who are trying to explain it to make it make sense based on the clone wars stuff Or rebel world between worlds. I believe it was only in rebels Right, that's an even newer thing that they threw and and most people actually thought they were throwing that in there So that they could maybe like retcon the sequel trilogy because it's time travel effectively It's hey, you can walk. No Dave. Lonnie said it's not time travel. Yeah. I mean, okay But I'll tell you what happens though It's you can walk through one door and then go to another door in the world between worlds and then walk out in a Different time. Okay. Yeah, you can go between different times but you can't time travel Yeah, I mean, okay. Yeah, that's why I was very You can go between different times and change events, but there's no time traveling Yeah, I don't know how to understand my god It's it's also the only reason is soca is alive because like she she was supposed to be more than once Well, I mean, yeah technically true, but I mean even on rebels It was Ezra opens a opens a portal while he's in the world between worlds He's like, oh shit. Ah, soca's gonna die and then just pulls her in I'm not kidding. That's how that's a war is multi-vades a bade certain death Listen, you guys need to let felonty save star wars. Yeah, let him say it He's gonna do it soon. He's gonna do it. He's gonna say it's really on grogu movie or that's gonna It's gonna make sense. It's really fucking dope. Okay Yeah, I don't think we need to know we don't Know there might be an after-credits It's four minutes long and the last 45 seconds is oh, yeah comment below You know, what what do you think don't forget to subscribe and hit the bell and then just this Out of a out of a four minute video Maybe he doesn't he doesn't actually give a shit No, that didn't feel like it was made by a human he's he's gradually being taken over by algorithms It's poor bad. He's not human anymore. I don't know if he's looking for attention I don't know if he's trying to just like live this fake life or to get some vibe or he got he's got the poster He has a most funko pop. Maybe this is an analog horror channel. This is chat gpt. They're affecting him He's just a shill. He's just there was no She'll invest our wars. I have no idea what that guy is like I don't know his like there was it was just yeah ai nonsense. It it's just I don't know. He could be a completely different person in another video and have a completely proper take But we're never gonna see that we get this fake ai version of them But like it's not it's not real and there's no longevity in this because people can Sniff through this shit on youtube youtube is all about being real because people can fucking tell us I'll point the platform It's just oh His icon he's got a lightsaber in his icon But I didn't I didn't tell originally because he has a blue background and he has a blue lightsaber And I didn't even notice Yeah His pronouns are in his youtube bio Is it he uh, yeah, he's That's what i'm fucking calling him. It feels weirder when they they announce the pronouns when it's not you know like Crazy oh like the string different from When they like zimzir, I'm like, yeah, of course you need to let people know about that because But he hit me just like So this is pretty good. That's what that's what I was gonna call you any fucking way So it's good that those the ones that you've decided I need to use So uh regrettably that is it for the star wars portion of this I know you guys were loving talking about star wars, but now we're moving on to marvel And um, this is a video that has been requested more than a couple of times It is from uh an old friend pop culture detective. Do you guys remember that name? Oh Macintosh indeed Well and correct me if i'm wrong, but the story there is the He edited for her and then She like I guess split up from him and he created a channel that's actually successful And she does not have anything successful on youtube at all Uh, because he knew how to make the videos, right? Like he and to be fair to him like you'll you'll see from this his editing is good. Um And his references are good. His arguments not so much. Well, I what do I know? We only covered him. I think twice across all of efeb I'm trying to remember. I mean at least she just got married Yeah, good for her. She got married Bob. That's true That would actually be pretty damn funny though if it were true Your life is not going good if your best man It's movie Bob, but that's the best you can get Well, that was a meme picture, you know, it's all a yes. This is all a meme everyone This is y'all a meme picture of it's a meme. She's not actually married to movie Bob But the beam I prefer is marrying sogon. I think that's why yeah Sell the differences Anyway, uh, this is called marvel's defenders of the status quo Now before we hit play, what do you guys think it'll be about? Uh Marvel, I mean it sounds like he's gonna criticize marvel for just playing it safe, I guess Or Hey, what's the name of the what's the name of the video again marvel's defenders of the status quo Uh, I'm guessing it's gonna be about how uh one of the principal complaints the principal unfounded complaints about phase four Is that instead of what we typically saw which was a lot of male superheroes It's starting to become There's a lot more female superheroes and because people don't like that They then invent problems to explain why marvel is failing so that they can return to the status quo What if I told you straight like men protagonist the criticism is actually applicable to all of the mcu's storytelling All of the mcu's storytelling Oh Because I was thinking Fringy sounds way more right than I would Considering it's Jonathan Mackentock. Well now that he said that that changes it. Yeah, I don't Now I think it would be something different then I'll be honest you when I saw the title I was like, what is this about and then I listened to I was like, oh, okay. All right Is this the guy that made that like tlj video just interpreting everything as um Like I can't remember what it was. Um We covered a lot of tlj videos in on time. I'm not sure Tlj broke everyone's brain Interpreting fins as like actions as like cowardly or some shit when really like he had no fucking allegiance To them and like he was just trying to find right he might have Basically manipulated the shit out of a scene. I remember this name. He was one of the guys in the What it'll come to me when I I I don't know now actually now that you said that now I don't know fair enough We will uh stark that that are up. I guess we'll find out Oh, you didn't mention this that it was the hidden politics of marvel movies that changes my answer entirely I didn't say that You didn't say that part of the title. Yeah Yeah, but I'm saying if you said that then I know if I had said someone else you would have had a difference So, yeah, I gave you something specific on purpose You said it was the title, but it wasn't the title. This is the title Well, to be fair, it is the title. Uh Um, because now because now yeah now I think I know exactly what it means It's that the authority is always right the way that society exists is always right and uh anybody who deviates from or challenges That is presented as being wrong That would be my guess Yeah, but hence why it's more interesting to ask you with not that part I suppose Let's see Life in the marvel cinematic Kate Bishop lived in new york and her home got destroyed but then hawkeye saved her life And as what inspired her to become the hawk, uh, iya herself hawk girl But not to be confused with hawk girl Yeah, hawk girl is a character hawk guy Hawk dude I'm hawk eye and I'm hawk guy And this is these are my sisters hawk girl and hawk girl If you say my name real fast, it sounds like you're saying hot guy. Yeah, which I am hawk guy Would be an absolute nightmare for the average person living on earth. We've we've said this like I've heard in one of these videos there are universes you wouldn't mind living in this is not one of them You'll get used instantly It is oh, it's the the constant threat of interdimensional terrors and existential threats Your free will being taken away The scrolls Yeah, just wanton destruction. Remember how many time infinite timelines essentially being erased in the loki show All the multiverse of madness incursion stuff. You might just be living in line, but all of a sudden planet Yeah, you might see your children Your world just might be destroyed completely and there's nothing you can do about it in just the horrors of the annihilation I want some superheroes to solve those problems and then one time they tried to they created the problem and nearly destroyed the world And then irrelevant of your thoughts and feelings. They decided what's best for your family members that may or may not have been Blipped and flipping back without Any kind of four? Yeah No warning. Isn't that the craziest thing? Yeah, no warning. Your mom is also just like literally cosmic horror Did they ever address the blip other than that homecoming scene? No, no One division they had the opening where moniker one division and far from home are the most we got Which is insane because I remember it happening in far from home and at the time we were like Well, I guess this is the film where they sort of goof past it, but there'll be something that addresses it Yeah, because it was very Little did we know that was actually them addressing it It was all hey that 12 year old is now 16 Like that was the joke and in far from home it seemed and that's the only level on which they addressed it And not just because of the super beings flying around causing near extinction level events practically every other week This is a so it's funny that statement He's probably making it in criticism of their actions while we would be making it in criticism of their later actions Much more now like self-centered and evil compared to what they used to be Even though what they used to be had collateral, which is totally fair Universe should address that. Yeah, there should be a movie where they address that that'd be great We're very little social progress on for reference. This video has come out post end game He's gonna be making these points like that at that point in the timeline Of course because uh, he had end game footage in there and hawker So, yeah, but I don't know if everyone's familiar with the visuals or reading the titles I'm just letting them know. Yeah, and also we're only 30 seconds in so The universe saw that rags It's at Hawkeye 2021. So we know that this came out 2021 at the end I know but he but we could have footage from things that are even later in this because we've only seen 30 seconds So what's important to know is that he'll be saying these things and you can Bet your bottom dollar. He's aware of like everything phase one two three So don't you worry like if you're thinking they address this in civil war. It's like guy He's he's he's on the ball. Okay, where very little social progress can ever really be made While the heroes do usually manage to roll back the various apocalypses They don't use their superpowers to help build a better world What do you think? Well, um, is that not what so you So like stark industries does though So the people of the people of planet earth typically have Elected government officials and representatives and it isn't the job of super powered beings to simply declare that This is how things are going to be now. Yeah, like we're doing solar power now. That's what's happening This is all ignoring the fact that sometimes they make some very significant choices captain america Decided to destroy shield. He personally chose to destroy the Like one of the big intelligence apparatus of the united states and there was nothing for that now, of course It was severely compromised But is it his choice to destroy the whole thing rather than you know finding like other solutions to those problems And of course with ultron that was tony making the decision of i'm gonna create like a safeguard for the world I'm gonna do that personally at peace in our time That sounds pretty involved in dealing with things and then you got the smaller stuff like captain america doing those You know like hi i'm captain america and this is like the presidential fitness thing The best real good that we got was that commercial and then of course you had uh You had a war kind of getting involved and out into the world and getting involved with like the united nations Which included to charlotte and it's like oh, well that looks like him as a super powered entity and his country getting involved in Global affairs in fact. Yeah, there's plenty of instances. I mean And i meant to the uh the the congressional hearing and everything to do with all One can argue that his conclusion on that was i'm gonna do in fact you could argue that it's more in favor of Of this person's point than against in terms of him being like i will do it I'm not gonna give you guys the average to do it. I will change the world for the better Inclusion at that point in time, but then it continues the story. Yeah, that's we got we've had It's actually not even a point of failure on the mcu that they have the world events changing based on because i was gonna Bring up it was mentioned the tony, right? But like he directly involves himself with the cdc by the time we hit homecoming where he's Trying to actually fix the world Underrated scenes is the when the uh thanos is men first attack an infinity war and all the effort He does to help the fucking uh civilians as they're walking up the street with dr. Strange and everything He's calling about he's doing so much. We're getting so much character in that moment I'm guessing that it's more like the angle of how is the world? Yeah, how is it changing the world not on like an individual? The big elephant in the room on that one is like, what are the sycobia records if not the world? But then I guess he'd say that's not the hero's creating. Well, it kind of was like tony was on board Yeah, he was large enough Well, yeah, him cooperating with the government even the uan or whatever like in any way She'll perform is evidence of social attempts at just change in general to make the world a better place beyond I'm gonna react to a monster I Would be hulk his decision to leave the planet after the his um After after all trying yeah, yeah after that that was his choice And I think it's interesting because it's the first time that we get to see him do the rage out But it wasn't him like this How does he actually feel about this when it wasn't his his rage that caused it for the first time So it could have done something interesting that but like the fact that he left the planet I think that's the responsible choice. He made the choice like It's a choice. He made There is it's not all handled particularly well, uh There's plenty of it's like problems, but it's yeah, it is present in these films Yeah, I've also Didn't wasp say and one of the ant man movies that they're now using Was in quantum mania, which is like we using this technology to make and will come Yeah I think that one is past this video's um, okay I think there's a possibility that he's talking about I don't ever see iron man in the suit helping rebuild Buildings and things like that though No, I think I think he's talking about social programs. Yeah, I think he's talking about like institutions and social structures Have any of you guys seen invincible in the second season in particular? No Because what let's a character decides to help rebuild a building But like while they have a superpower that makes them very good at constructing things They also don't know how like to do things to code So like let's just say that it doesn't go well for the people that live in the building I kind of like that idea of just like oh, yeah Well, I mean maybe the he has an iron man suit and he can fly up and carry things But if he starts doing your welding like do you do you know that he's going to do it properly? Because yeah, did they bring the twins back in season two? The um, yes The smaller twins They instead spend all of their time defending the status quo not true Well, you know to the point that you have two of the main characters disagreeing on what the status quo should be Yeah, did he skip civil war? Like I just that's the thing civil war will be addressed But you know right now it feels like it contradicts his whole point, but we'll see Well, even if we um, even if we look at it from the sense of Probably what he means even I think from his perspective. That's terrible considering that you're essentially saying all they're doing is saving the planet Yeah, they're not imposing their will on what they believe the planet should be which is exactly the problem that's addressed in civil war Yeah You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change The villains are the ones who are constantly dreaming up audacious schemes. Are you really gonna fucking? Yes What I want to say right now is that I saw Carl on this video saying like it's so unfortunate That they ruined kill manga by giving him the whole I want to kill children thing Because he was like such a good character at that point. I don't even agree with that necessarily He wanted to kill all the world leaders that disagreed with him He completely ignored the world building as if the ventures of interest didn't even exist Like no one is going to oppose that too choke the lady is auntie at the at the um Meeting completely had no reason to do almost any of the things he did kill manga is a disaster Yeah, he's a crap character terrible character. He's not a good person. What makes him compelling to people is michael b jordan I swear to god, it's just that it's one of the best examples of a performance completely distracting you from how none of it makes any sense It's yeah, um, don't even get me on kill manga. I'm gonna lose it Be shape establish it I'm sorry Fucking referencing gore the psychos was to kill all gods and ruin everything basically because you know There are certain gods that might be assholes that make the world a better place when they're gone But there are certain gods that you kill that throw Allah god a war three killing them will like destroy and whole ecosystem or something there The idea that gore was like, you know, he's got an idea this gore guy. He's he's onto something Gore could have been amazing like his yeah, his look is fantastic and it's we got bail We got one of the best actors and it just Oh, that is one of the saddest wastes, but it's really genuinely in a fucking bucket with so many other wastes Yeah, I think when we were watching that movie, he held the world record of how fast he became a contradictory Yeah That opening scene. I'm just like It was like a hurricane. It's a hurt you go through full 360 in that one scene. It's like, okay That movie had the infinity comes 180. Yeah institutions Poor transforms why the fuck would you sell? What Caecilius wanted to feed earth to the dark dimension, bro What I mean, that's a pretty pretty stark Change for the status quo Not audacious schemes to reshape establish institutions a lot of shit bill or transform the entire universe Thank god by killing half of all of the life in it. Yeah, that was certainly Transformed it. I he's right. It would be transformative. It would not be the status quo I want to stress two things up front. All right first this video is not a blanket condemnation of all Marvel movies Many well, then maybe you shouldn't have said that's all they do But okay, well, any of them are fun entertaining spectacles Oh, he's saying like it shouldn't allow you to stop enjoying them. That's good And some of the more recent entries have made great strides in terms of representation Hmm I think the representation should be combined with like, you know, good characters I barely remember that I barely remember. I haven't seen that show. I watched it, but I don't like What was it freeing the the mum was the best character? Yeah, she was the best character and she was the best character in uh, the marvels as well Yeah, it's sort of I mean, this is very little competition, of course This is not some kind of galaxy brained hot take claiming all the bad guys are actually right. I mean Yeah, we're not actually I'm not worried what you're saying all of them are right I'm worried about you saying like the I don't even like going as far as saying, you know, they all had a point I'll be like Well, you know, it's funny he showed vulture, right? It's like vulture's point is sort of like I'm gonna get what's mine because this world is fucking stepped on me for You know, like he's very very much a classic villain of just like fuck the world. It fucked me someone to fuck it back So Well, I don't maleketh wanted revenge or anything or something Nobody knows and he wanted to take over earth with the convergence or whatever. Oh my god, those portals dude Yeah Thought you if you're able to remember it It's where it's unfortunate too because thought you has good stuff this things the thorn's mum's stuff Loki and his mum. That's all good. The loki. So yeah, I was rewatching that for when my videos a few months ago And I was actually really surprised with the quality of the loki scene. Yeah That made me look he's fucking god Oh my god Oh, this is why people liked loki because I never really got it. I wasn't a big loki. That's the thing man It's complex all one avengers thought two Where does he go next would it be ragnarok? Uh No He's been living as odin and then Ragnarok gets you to hero loki at the end the beginning of infinity world that was a It's so sad looking retrospect being like story's done. Just let him let him be dead, please Yeah, he kind of like his story was done and kind of nailed with that that ending to thanos and it's just He could he would have been one of the better ones that they just left didn't even refit himself as odin son It's like oh Yeah Yes, yes all that Shit man, but all he needs to do now is you think it is film and cry What was the last time you felt something in the MCU? Oh, man, it's been a while just boredom and confusion count as feeling something Hey, no loki isn't really new than all the time Thor and rocket finger on it. I probably the last time was uh, no way home Yeah, no, it would be that for me as well probably now it was Thor and rocket I wasn't the big fan of no way home. It just it just did nothing in no way home Not even I did appreciate the dynamic of the three Peters together But in terms of like the feet it didn't I it didn't hit It didn't hit me in our goblin like in infinity war had much more of an impact on me in terms of like I just I don't even like the tazm films but watching Andrew Garfield save the girl. I was like, whoa, that's hard not to feel stuff Mm-hmm Because I'm a stone and him were never really the problem with those movies. No, no the act is really the problem, honestly Must be said that a few of them do have legitimate political grievances Just a nitpick that's fuck him up for me. Fuck him up This was his best scene in my opinion the opening scene where he seemed actually complex and competent And then he was just a fucking unhinged idiot for the rest wasn't this the same where he's like killed the slighty Yeah, everything before that moment Well, you know what I like about it. I think we talked about this semi recently I can't remember but um because I saw someone sharing on twitter and I was like, yeah And if anything I regret not praising it in my video on black panther, but uh claw saying You know you run away you you run away the guy goes. Oh god that he just shoots it He goes better to leave scattered bodies makes us look like amateurs. Like that's actually clever That's when I was like feeling the movie like all the claw scenes and whatnot and everyone nobody mentions this part But the girl the girlfriend bypassed the cameras and was for the reason they were able to get in So she wasn't just there on the other scene. She was a part of their plan But a fucking dude wouldn't kill monger kills claw. Oh god that scene Oh They went around from when he was like young so like he was from friends He's potentially could have been like an uncle to him Like you should they they could have had a you knew him since he was a little kid Yeah, aside from that too. It's it's also fucked. He had the books There was no reason to kill claw other than they needed to Aside from the fact that you lose andy circus you lose a character that was actually pretty interesting in the world Being someone who's like in an aware of all of the shit, but also kind of like a mercenary God i've been waiting for it's funny It feels like the marvel equivalent of the desperation for a bounty hunter character in star wars that sort of flits and flies through a lot of different stories just looking for money like the We talked about it with um black widow. It's like task master. Why can't he be the character that turns up all the time Looking for money Good payoff for reoccurring characters can be fantastic because it's just like you never know what you're going to summon Anyone here see alias Yeah, no jennifer garner. No, yeah This is your alien first big project. Remember sock other than julius sock Yeah, yeah, he was that character in alias. He would keep working for bad guys. He'd be turning up But i remember me like i had he was uh alias's spike for uh lack of a better. Yeah, that's probably a good way to They kept bringing him back because people were like, yeah, but he's really fun that he's british It's like works for bad guys every time he would show up in an episode you'd be like, oh, it's a sark episode. Yeah, I do remember Ron kind of had that alien thrown for a little while, but then it just went on too long I just feel like you're anyone's story benefits from a character like that someone who's just Keeps tinnitus. It's super good for filler episodes as well Were there three seasons valius or four five? Oh, okay. I've only seen three Well, but sark is on that. Okay. I haven't rewatched that in forever. Do you know there's a ricky javais episode? I know quinn tarantino directed an episode He definitely stars in one and he pops up more than once too. It's very strange But the ricky javais episode is like almost a bottle episode of uh, they need information from him So they have to convince him after drugging him that he's in like a hotel room And uh, it's fucking bizarre. I remember just being like, do they just really I guess the office was popular Like why this has happened, but all right Well, I mean like jj abrams was the producer on that and he's all about like, hey What's it? Who's the new hot actor from somewhere in the world and like they put the raid guys and They're not pantomenous. Sorry. That's the whole reason that lizzo is in star wars is the jogfabro His kid on tiktok played around or whatever was like you should get lizzo If someone as stupid as that which by the way, I found out from ryan I was that simple. Yeah, it was something like that It was he saw that he was like lizzo is popular and lizzo likes star What lizzo is making tiktoks about star wars you should get her on an episode. Isn't that sad? Oh, that hurts that hurts It really especially considering all the very famous youtubers and stuff who adore star wars with the deep cash And then they're never gonna get on that shit like you remember the cameos and tfa from all the random people like I think the simon tag had one. I think daniel craig had one I thought that was cool just seeing how many people who probably grew up within a passion They want to be a part of it in any way There's compare that to now. It's just tiktok. Oh, she's popular. They're all fucking lizzo on but this just What the fuck i'm thinking there's got to be more people who would go To see it because of a really famous youtuber than lizzo Right, what's the venn diagrams? Why Exactly why wouldn't you pick somebody who is related to star wars in some way or just you know, just any given actor Like is a good performer And it would just make you look so good It would it would give you a lot of good faith for the audience and they think like oh, wow You know, they're giving these star the they're getting these star wars the youtubers who really really love it and have a lot of Passion for the show instead of someone who's already like a traditional, you know, celebrity Yeah, well, maybe it's again that mentality of we need to pull people in who don't already like star wars Which is weird because that's their opposite problem right now Because they need to desperately pull in the people who already know of and used to like star wars Who used to like star wars but are gone now Then what's the thought process of putting her with jack black like it just was one of the most jarring combinations Like jack black. I think people really like jack black jack black is a lot bigger of a name He's more I guess involved like jack black is great clearly a nerd who loves that stuff If they don't care about immersion I guess that's one thing But I remember some people complaining about the edge sharing cameo in game of thrones and that was way more subtle than this Yeah, at least he sings. Yeah, it's like you got to cast a guy who can sing So he was just one of the guys, you know, it did make sense context within the story Yeah, it's not as cringe as the uh as the imagine dragons cameo and arcane. Oh god. Yeah Hey look, all right, they should have Oh, no, just bring you like imagine dragons Just the way they did it Not particularly I don't mind the song though. We have the big conversation. I don't mind the intro song. I don't mind it It's just the way they incorporated it. Um, like just showing their faces, right? It was a bit too overt of um Of a cameo. Yeah, that's one of those cameos that It should be more subtle. It should be more like peter jackson's cameos In lord of the rings and in hot fuzz. That's those are my favorite type of the ones that don't call too much attention to themselves We are the ones that most people miss, right? Yep Maybe because they're invested in the story that's being told and it's not just a trash fire that's been jangled in my face You can always go back and be like, oh, yeah, that was him. Even if it takes you Yeah, you might be even more satisfied I don't want to be like, oh, I'm gonna watch this episode because jack black and lizzo is in it. It's like, no Go away. Leave me alone I remember when I saw return of the king I was like, man, that kid looks exactly like sam. They found the perfect. Oh, it's his daughter I find that out here. It's like it makes sense. Like that's amazing She got he got the end the greatest trilogy ever with his daughter like what a legend Weird fun fact. Sean Aston directed an episode of angel Yeah, of course Really? Yes Season four Oh, that's unfortunate been soon. It's an episode I like of season four. So it's all good Hey Do you think that um, do you think that Sean Aston could team up with uh, martin freeman to make hobbit themed? Uh Meth and modes of transportation that are very luxurious No, they make like No, Sean Aston and martin freeman they get together and they go to hobbiton and they make really nice like carriages and things of that nature They're really luxurious really nice, you know, they ride really smoothly They call it Aston martin It's too late. I know you so well this point. I was just like, I know you set this up I'm not sure what it's gonna be, but we're gonna get there eventually Because they were both hobbits and actors who That's right are actually right Although it must be said that a few of them do have legitimate political grievances How do you think your ancestors got these you think they paid a fair price? Or did they take it like they took everything else? Damn Damn you sold us a lot of slaves my dude She's barely understanding the situation that she can't fucking breathe She's working here you fucking she's poisoned right now really can hear you MCU villains are written to be ruthless and brutal Sometimes to a genocidal degree That's oh, yeah, it's hurtful But that's isn't that kind of silly though because this creature doesn't even know what it's doing It's like being born right It's being born But it's part of I guess a broader scheme that the celestials have set up because this is the only way by which they can create themselves Right. Yep. It feels good to choose this one And remember the way that they present it is this is why it gets really tangled and stupid in the world of the MCU The celestials are like responsible for major Natural forces that occur in our universe like the formation of stars and planets No, celestials means no cosmic formations. So once you get to that level, it's like, oh, shit I mean that complicates it doesn't it because if there are no celestials it means that the universe dies Like it just becomes a dead universe Oh put it on the list of things that makes our universe die. I guess I feel like it's a weird citation for genocide It's like you might want to pick You know because this creature doesn't even know what's happening You know, Thanos is like the easy one to point to Thanos or Ultron Um, I guess Loki was trying to take over But you probably wouldn't want me to end up killing a lot of people. Yeah I think you just need the intentionality, right? You you intend you know what you're doing You know what's gonna happen and you do it anyway Like if this creature knew there was gonna wipe out all of earth and I guess I'd be chill about it But as far as I know these creatures are like this is he doesn't know what's going on, right? This is the let's do is being born, but I don't know what the nature of that consciousness before that is What we are going to be examining are the underlying ideological Civil war Yeah Applications baked in to the superhero formula. Okay A great many people see you as heroes There are some Who would prefer the word vigilantes? Love the visual storytelling with Tony one of the inspirations for this video is an essay by the late anthropologist david graver Entitled superposition a longer version of which can be found in the back of his book the utopia of rules His article deconstructing the politics embedded in superhero narratives was originally written back in 2012 as a Water You know why they call the dead people the late so-and-so They can never show up on time for anything That's just a little joke before I kill the batman I like the spooky pots of the voice Oh, yeah, that's good. Good shit. No, his his voice is so meme-able, but that people don't even talk about how stupid his death was Oh, yeah, it's fucking awful. Don't remind me Response to Christopher Nolan's the dark knight rises But since marvel media has now become the dominant cultural paradigm in hollywood I thought it would be an interesting experiment to apply graver's core thesis to the marvel's cinematic Fucking go. All right The heroes are purely reactionary in the literal sense. Wait, that's not bane's voice at all They simply react to things They have no projects of their own other than to design even more high tech weaponry and indulge in the occasional act of charity What David, that's just not true, buddy That's not even true of the fucking batman movies. Bruce Wayne's doing a hell of a lot more than act of charity That doesn't apply. I can't think of a super who does that apply to? That will they have no projects of their own Other than for more high tech weapon. That's a I okay. Okay, so I guess 2012 we'd have batman. We'd have the x-man movies. We'd have all three the spider man It was it was specific. This is this essay was about the know the movies Yeah, so is it meant to be the idea that batman will only ever react to the So batman only reacts to the rise of villains I presume is the observation And then he beats them and then he just waits around until the next villain comes along and then he beats them And then he makes more high tech weaponry Batman has no projects of his own. Are you fucking high? Well, you if you want to say batman doesn't but Bruce Wayne certainly does Yeah Yeah, but then he would probably say that's encompassed in the occasional act of charity Oh, yeah, he occasionally like raises money. Well, that's retarded for him But if this is specifically after dark night rises, then I guess he did he kind of became a recluse for a year Yeah, but he cleaned Gotham. It was the cleanest city in the world, right? It wasn't that the announcement at the beginning. It was like the crime But that's just an occasional after charity. Oh, I see it's not like he did that from you know The vigilante side and the bureaucracy side almost. Yeah Producing crime in a major metropolitan city is it's not really the end of the dark night He the end of the dark night He does like kind of take the the the rap for a crime and then like it gets shunned Yeah, but I imagine like I'm trying to figure out having not having not read this I'm just trying to think like from the my guess would always be that it's that they never do They never go far enough It would be that the heroes always stop the villain and then maybe they do some kind of um Like charitable cause or some kind of philanthropy, but it never results in I don't know like Batman running for president And then instituting like They can't magically fix the entire world. Okay, I guess they're not doing enough Surely the the reality that we can all agree with is that yeah, that's not that's not the film They're making though like not to get too meta, but we're not doing that We're doing the the crazy eccentric fucking crazy man with the weapon that's going to destroy the whole world We don't watch between the dark night and dark night rises even though that's likely where all of the things this person's highlighting would have taken place Yeah, that's why he needs to like explain his thought process. Tell us what he thinks first Well at the same time you can't claim it doesn't take place. We know it does it definitely did Yeah, it's just that we may not see them in the films, which you know if you want to say that that's a problem Also, I assume that would be in the book, but what would be how far would you go to? To define charity in that case like is it just Social issues going around or are we also counting building like a space station that? You know the fancy you the whole world from out I metal I presume that Encompassed in other than to sign even more high-tech weaponry would be like ultron when all on I mean ultron is Reactionary in the sense that it's reacting to all of the things that have been happening in the world But I don't know what it means for anything to not be even remotely reactionary There has to be some kind of input that's going to result in there Why make a defense or a fix for something that doesn't exist There's always going to be in something that doesn't exist But you could say that it is proactive the ultron but he'd be like But I imagine that's encompassing was just more high-tech weaponry doesn't solve shit Yeah, and of course it didn't solve anything but it created a new problem But still it has to count Yeah, I should count I guess would be that it doesn't count They really wasn't thought of purely reactionary in the literal sense. They simply react. That's just the thing. They're not literally only reactionary That's just not true And easy like I don't mean to be fucking pedantic But I just feel like you just you can't use these words this way because they do stuff between reacting to villains Yeah, we typically don't have movies about that because that's not as interesting, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen We want to watch them fighting the villains. Yeah, there's But maybe that would be the observation that is made is that maybe there should be more of these stories that instead of focusing on the strict conflict of hero versus villain deals with What I think that's a matter of His responsibilities of video essayist if he thinks that's important is to highlight the evidence of that in the films and to talk about How important that is in these worlds Uh, I guess we'll see if it does but because yeah, what I'm saying is he hasn't he's he's criticizing that that's not present Obviously when what I'm saying is his if he's gonna be like these films are responsible to show that because it's important to highlight That as a way to make society better I'd be like yes your job then to highlight the fact that they do allude to that Both explicitly and implicitly and that you're supposed to say like this is the important work You know beating up over dire stain is one thing But the programs in order to get the arc technology to the point of having self-sustaining energy is actually the more important discovery Which we see at the beginning of Avengers. You know what I mean Yeah, yeah, exactly. Make that video then show us like you'd be like this is actually important Jerry though as well. Is that so They said well, yeah Tony Stark doing the whole like arc reactor to make stock tower clean energy So at that point you just can't be wrong. Can you you can't you just pretty much I don't know if that's actually a position, but I could see that being kind of the the framework here I can easily imagine a scenario where these stories encompass superhero characters who are Doing things an inciting social change and using their powers and their incredible wealth and influence to change the world and if that's done in ways that Macintosh doesn't approve of this video essay would be completely flipped and would be the opposite point Where it's not the place of superheroes to do these things when we have our own ways to do it and that this is essentially Uh, either a harder soft tyranny depending on the math absolutely these superheroes and create that change This I feel like we would be making that point even. Yeah, absolutely Maybe like you guys can't just do that is even if it was something good There's obviously that element of Well, you you can't just do that you can't just circumvent the government or you can't just uh Or maybe it's not necessarily a moral thing For you to exert your influence in that way and I think a lot of the characters in the emcee would probably think that as well They might have that doubt in their in their mind that says maybe I shouldn't be doing these things Maybe, you know, it's a good thing i'm doing today, but Oh, like should I have that kind of power over the world? We are like captain tree and he goes around destroying nuclear plants. We're like, um I mean and he's like it's for the better of the willy like Oh, this is bad This is very bad And he's like, okay, what if he just you know pushes for legislature that does that or rather something between those two Something forceful, but not entirely illegal. I just feel like we would be highlighting like this feels weird, man I mean doesn't Tony also Over the he showed scenes from homecoming here He also like takes peter under his wing and starts trying to like get him better That wouldn't teach it wrong enough Well, I think if you're gonna use homecoming go for the cdc stuff, surely Yeah, that's that's the one to point to But even then that might not be good enough either How could that not be good enough? I don't Cooperate with uh governmental systems social programs to improve the world in general like it. I just I just don't buy that It's like an occasional act of charity They have no projects of their own other than design They literally do but you know, okay And indulge in the occasional act I would put that in the selection. They're trying to make change happen. They're trying to support the world If we're gonna be leaving it as social change the book Brian a book absolutely counts I mean Does it does it count that banner essentially invents time travel and Is that even though it's five years after it only happened because of other people Highline that gives you the actual answers to this stupid video No offense video, but like the um The time travel having been invented and we've not done anything with it beyond stopping Thanos. Just it's just it's just shittily written. That's it Like you can't introduce that and then have the world not deal with it Like could you imagine the government the american fucking government having control of time travel? No one else does like nope Destroy the time travel machine and kill everyone involved. We could just picture There's this board of people who are like, oh, we can't have that job in other countries I'm gonna there's just this guy. We're like an emperor clothes. Like we could use it to our benefit We simply need to move a couple of yeah, he's he's leaning forward in his chair like Boromir staring at the ring It is a gift you must understand It's so funny because you'd be like no no no no according to the films you can't remove infinity stones It's just like shut up. I'm gonna shut the fuck we can just duplicate them Chairman In fact superheroes seem almost utterly lacking in imagination The villains in contrast are relentlessly creative. Wow All right, man, you know, that man is that man is a fairly creative idea. Oh, man Like in and of itself That's pretty creative idea We had this issue with a previous video that we covered and it's happened more times It's happened before we've got the the hall, you know, this reminds me of coral marks It's like there is an element of you bringing in Quotes and authors and semi famous people and speakers and using them as sort of a foundation or platform For the rest of your video to build on Um, this is the point of the quotes where I'm already completely checked out And I don't really give much of a shit what David Graber has to say For anybody who's listed they're like rags What do you mean? It's like well, so what he just said is the villains in contrast are relentlessly creative Let's think about who he's referring to in the Nolan trilogy first film Batman begins rush. I'll write Raza ghoul his plan is to Blow like to infect all of the water with fear gas and then explode all of it to like Basically destroy all of Gotham because it's become the most private in city Absolutely fucking nuts. He's lost his mind. That's insane I'm not even saying that from perspective of oh, that's an interesting way that he's decided It's like no, it's not that interesting I think razzle ghoul is way smarter than to come up with a plan like that's so stupid that plan is without it second film Can I even say the joker has a plan? Yeah That just goes to show how creative he is He's so creative he doesn't have a plan That's plan is to go find the people he doesn't like flip a coin to decide Listening fringy fringy to be fair if I walk into a casino, my plan is to gamble. Yeah, that's a plan That's the most coherent plan we've had so far flip coins Plan is to take over Gotham, you know, look at Talia. I'll ghoul. She's even more retarded than her dad The worst death scene ever filmed possibly so in dark night, though Batman thinks of the idea to turn everybody's cell phone into like Daredevil. Yeah, yeah, man My country Well, let's go this way, you know, I my contrast. What is it Batman's plan? Overall is to create a character that strikes fear into the you know, the criminals of Gotham Yes presented with an aesthetic an aesthetic that has a connection to his own past and his own And then he creates all of these interesting He takes vehicles and then finds new ways to mess around with them for like the purposes that he needs until he creates cool gadgets He has a bat in credit card They're only one of the most creative superheroes it exists. That man's hyper creative. It's so it's just nonsense, man Part of what makes him effective and yeah, so what about Green Lantern? Yeah, well, yeah, we don't need to go over all of them. I'm just saying like this this guy highlighting Specifically the Nolan movie villains as relentlessly creative in comparison to the superheroes is insane batshit insane. Yeah Nice one They are full of plans and also being full of plans projects and ideas does not make you creative. Yeah. Yeah, that could be bad plans I generally entail mass destruction and death I can't take this seriously Looking at the Joker the fucking scarecrow and razzle ghoul being like you guys have got it You guys know I can't wait for your next project. Yeah And ideas also having Ultron getting fucking sizzled in the background when his plan was to destroy all humans Endlessly creative Tony's idea that was his concept suit of armor around the world Are you gonna destroy the earth? I'm gonna hit it with a big rock Yeah, maybe David is a little confused. I don't know He likes the poetry of meteors That's the waxes poetic all the time It's important to note that graver is talking about the good guys acting in their superhero personas I don't think that's fair It isn't fair at all. That's not fair He's talking about Iron Man's not in his suit rebuilding buildings. So he sucks Oh, well, he's not in his suit going to like fucking protests or business meetings or Yeah, but the thing is it doesn't even apply to Iron Man because yeah, everyone knows Tony Stark is Iron Man So what's the fucking point of that? Exactly I mean in banner in the Hulk, they're like one person now So when he's in a lab pressing buttons that though, that's me No, that doesn't count if your green doesn't and then when he's out there punching He's like nope. That doesn't count. It doesn't count. You're you're different now So while we may see Bruce Banner or Matt Murdock pursuing their own personal project. This is unfair as fuck. You You're not allowed to include the fact that Daredevil is a lawyer as part of his actions and he's doing super He specifically has the identity of Daredevil to act outside of the law And you're like, yeah, but that doesn't count like in terms of your Investment in acting within the law. I don't count that it's like, yeah, you fucking should that's what daredevil comes from That's the character. He's the cat. That's the character. Oh, what man? That's Bill. Bill, you're you are including him Using his superhuman abilities in his job in his daily life It isn't it. They're the same person He is a lawyer and he is Daredevil if you separate them 100 percent people would say that is incredibly Uncreative Master chief thing, you know that was recently talked about we needed to explore the relationship between John Halo and master chief And in order to do that, we had to endlessly creative One and the same I suppose his analogy works for moon night What because he's actually a different person Can I just compliment this moment as well because no way homes got problems But I just like the they clearly show spider-man would have grabbed that if not the deer that we're grabbing Because they both have the right sensors to be able to do this But then also he says how'd you do that? He says i'm a really good lawyer Yeah, he's the uh happy's reaction like everything about this frame is just nailed I did really like this the next one Oh god if that rod is so happy to see him I'm a really good lawyer. There you go. It's extremely rare to see our man. They're gonna ruin him. He's gonna be ruined. Yeah They already ruined him in hulk and also in ecco What's what's everyone's thoughts on that? Do you think he was ruined or kind of just tarnished by those like Echo was more than than she hulk in my opinion like the fact that he just left, you know I would say he's damaged But he's still if they nailed it in his show like he could recover, but he's got damage right now. Yeah He wouldn't he would wear not like king real life. No king has been fucking annihilated They killed him We brought him back just to really shot him in the eye, but he's okay We've got the technology endlessly creative Somehow king pin A job get the nano the king king pins like I have died many times I'm a really good lawyer. It's extremely rare to see our favorite superheroes Engaging in any larger socio political projects. Really weird as they show civil war footage. Yeah Unless he's saying this is the rare instance of them engaging in how can you call that rare? And I hope larger but also showing black panther who to be fair It's a criticism of the black panther Let's call it law the world building that they've taken so long But like that was pretty explicit, wasn't it is interesting. I guess maybe you might say that that's the point He might call that rare No, I know you can't call it rare because you can just run through the films and think about all of the Like yeah, sure they're not often the main focus of that film, but they're present You have to acknowledge that they're present. Yeah, the structure is there Osho political projects that push society forward There are a few heroes like billionaire Tony Stark whose entire characterization revolves around building and inventing new technologies Okay, but notice that nearly everything he invents is related to high tech weaponry No, that's just that's just the things we see him do. That's just the things we see him build What about what about the technology he invents specifically to do with psychological help? Yeah You got to think about it is the core is the arc reactor That's like the core from which everything gets built out and the arc reactor is not military equipment It's energy. Yeah can be used for civilian and military purposes. I mean like This feels like a big arc reactor and Iron Man one is like I feel like even it was even the jokes like oh, this should be just Uh, just an ad just the hippies shut up or something and I was like no actually it's really good We should start doing that more because it's really helpful for everybody internet creators have gone on a bit of an arc and uh, there was a time where It was just movie reviewers reviewing movies and then political people started reviewing movies And it was really fucking annoying because like they come in with a particular lens and they can't see anything else Now someone might say and there's even plenty of people would Yeah, of course you feel that way. You're a right winger reviewing a left-wing video. I'd be like, okay But uh, what I would want to highlight is that a right winger Suitably pushed in a particular direction. Let's take a matt walsh for example Yeah, he would he would see a bunch of things that the left winger doesn't see and vice versa And like I just feel like we're so obsessed in a nerd autistic way with what happens in these movies That we're not even trying to correct their record on what is actually happening We're just annoyed that they keep fucking forgetting things for example as fringy just laid out It's like, where do you think these weapons come from? Do you remember? Do you remember the scenes where he invents the arc reactor that he could be fucking makes the It's the whole core of the iron man suit and then it it's the energy the beginning the whole avengers scene It's his intro scene They're more concerned that's bright clean energy Yeah, which is and then and then it becomes like the loki wants to insult him for that Like he finds it to be the warm light for all mankind sort of thing like it's It's annoying because like I would argue that we are actually in these movies for entertainment rather than they support or deny our political position And so it blinds the fuck out of you the fact that he's like all tony does is make weapons. Like that's not true So That they don't even pay attention to the story it's frustrating It's it's just like it's stuff that's in the background But stark Is it you know stark industries is a company that we see at the beginning is creating weapons many many years later It still exists, which is many many years after he said that they were getting out of weapons manufacturing What do you think they're doing? Yeah, do you think the company is do you think that that might be represented in the Technological advancement that you see present in the films of how the technology gets more and more and more crazy Which obviously creates problems for yourself, but yeah, how could you get more explicit than saying tony stark is working with the center for damage control? Yeah, yeah, exactly like come on come on Pay attention friends then use in their vigilante policing initiatives. Yes. This is a thing, but you've ignored everything else Yeah, I like oh remember how remember how peter was getting involved into it like charity stuff That doesn't count. Sorry the occasional act of charity. Yeah, that gets in the way of my point. So never mind that Yeah Well, and you know what I think as well is you you could argue that he's gonna get rid of it with you You could argue he's gonna he's gonna sideline it with the occasional thing, but it's like it's still on him I think like I consider him dishonest until he brings up the fact that in far from home He's clearly doing charity work. Yeah, how many times you better acknowledge it How many times can you point to it before it ceases to be occasional? It's not even just that what i'm saying is the you're relying on assuming that he would consider that one of the occasional It doesn't matter, but like I think it's on him to acknowledge it the very least with a fucking visual I would agree on him to acknowledge it because part of it Uh, part of the way that this video will work is when you show all of the instances of them blowing stuff up You're kind of relying on people not remembering the films very well Exactly actually The right ones as explicit or implicit the strength of these kinds of videos is people being like Oh Yeah, they don't do any charity Yeah, it's true. Yeah, and then they watch someone if fucking god forbid they watch someone like us, you know crazy Pipeline rightoids that lead you to uh being like, oh, yeah, shit. They do damn, huh What oh, oh, well That's the thing Like we don't have an interest in proving that it's yeah, I see it's pro my thing It's like no I just want to talk about what's happening in these because part of what we like is the fact that characters are flawed or that Systems are flawed or that that leads to whatever storytelling payoff Not trying to sell you a worldview or how this How a particular marvel movie is anti a worldview that is actually correct We just want to point out what they're trying to do It's because like this is cringe this video right now. It's it's ignoring so many references Already it's cringe. We're barely even in it. Mm-hmm While stopping something bad might be necessary. It is very different from building something good Hmm, I mean Well, I like it's kind of it's kind of interesting because Tony's perspective was that he had privatized world peace through the creation of iron man as a technology Well, and I'm not like I think it diminishes some of these acts like him doing the snap You'd be like, yeah, but that's just countering something bad. It's like, yeah, but You say that like Someone's starting up a charity means more than him giving his life to stop an army. No, I couldn't be standing for charity as a reaction It's reactionary to like poverty something that exists Everything is reactionary in the sense that there's feedback that makes you make that choice Tony is about to snap and then this guy's like, you know, you're not building anything when you do this, right? I guess it's the thing of just not understanding that it's very difficult for things to get built when people are being killed So sometimes a good person needs to have the courage to stop the thing killing people I guess maybe maybe there will be a broader criticism that why isn't that all superhero films have to have Like a physical conflict like a fight between a good guy and a bad guy Why can't the be a superhero film that is just Tony doing philanthropy? Yeah, that absolutely should come up because that's obviously where his criticism is Like I said, as far as I'm concerned It's more so the films that don't present it are just poorly written because they're not accounting for like elements of the universe that exist But the ones that I consider good do account for it as much as they probably should because ultimately it's not advisable to Make a film where Robert Downey Jr walks around saying like, yeah, how's that program going good? We need to get like this guy on it and it was just like, yeah, that's that's great But the the intelligent way to do that is to show it's happening either in the background or with explicit lines But that you don't want to go further Than having the whole fucking movie be about imagine, you know, like hope at a desk Taking calls in quanta mania being like, yeah Taking notes and everything like you can The way to go that and still have an action movie those I guess do man versus Nature like have have have iron man responding to a hurricane or something and trying to save people Well, it depends, right? We can We can push the levers in all kinds of different directions In that we could have more references to social programs that Tony's doing We could then have a whole scene dedicated to him I actually controlling until you like push all the way to the end But the funny thing is I actually do agree that we probably could have in phase four sold a movie that was a Prequel during the blip of Tony trying to fix the world Nothing to do no action scenes whatsoever. I don't watch that. Yeah, it could work Especially if you do it well, it's just that like it's not like I said, it's not advisable There's gonna be people who'd be like, well, I'd like to see a movie where he fights some stuff if that's okay Well, don't you understand? It's more of it's more about like fixing the world in positive ways not just reacting to villains You're like, yeah, I know But like I want to watch I want to watch yeah I want to watch the fun fights and the punches and the conflicts and This is what I mean. It's like contest and challenge once you're invested in a character enough It doesn't really matter what they're doing. I always used to talk about like breaking bad in its prime I always just say like Walter could be just making his his lunch for the day And it'll be it'll be entertaining with Brian Cranston's performance Just him like making sandwich just if you're not invested in a character Well, that's true. Of course, you want to maximize right and it's like yeah Yeah, I might say the whole episode but like just like one who almost They got a lot of they got a lot of miles out of him catching a fly And that was an episode too. It's such a I gotta talk about that one. They such a controversial episode. It's so fascinating I liked it point being um This video has to address some meta things as well as the actual realities of some of these movies for it to be honest And so far we're not doing great even though we're only four minutes in You know, maybe they'll improve No, he lost all the way in modern politics. These two things are often conflated Yep, we're the agents of status quo. I improve So rather than focusing on innovative ways to transform society for the better We mostly again, so I would this is the funny thing. I almost want to agree with him when it comes to God, well, I'm thinking about guardians through right now the fact that they have invented or have access to The incredible healing shit that given to earth would make a huge difference. It's like, it's just bad writing at that point That's something they threw in because they needed it for the sake of like plot elements in the film without thinking about How that would affect the whole world you can't just throw that in It's just not a case of the writers were not thinking Good, we're preserving the status quo as it's our hidden political agenda and creating these marvels and they just fucking suck what they're doing That's all it is. They just don't do it right if you locked him in a room and said james Don't you think this would change everything for earth? He'd probably be like Uh, yeah, I guess so They don't care. I don't care at all Yeah, it's not I think you would see it as a bit of a like autistic nitpick. You'd be like whatever Well, I think a normal response from him could even include like yeah, but it's not really into the like They're not really connected with the rest and it's like no, they are though the guardians went there Telling me like any type of any type of sci-fi or fantasy establishing your rules and consequences and just like how everything works That should be one of your main, you know Dude, this happens all the time, you know like force heal and star wars. That's just another example of being like Oh, shit that does reflect on everything that's happened before Yeah, that's that's how it works. Whoops Whoopsie. Yeah, whoopsie that works when you change rules The rule becomes changed in the past as well That's the thing we usually highlight is contradiction They fucked up and then there's some people on youtube be like, ah, this is indicative of political system or political ideology like no No, we just see super superheroes reacting Whenever the status quo is threatened Whenever the status quo is threatened The status quo should be But also like Let's not, let's see exactly, let's not like crosswise to get confused to it Right now we're defending the status quo of not dying like that Yeah, yeah Right now they're just trying to set it off through distance Yeah, we're trying to prevent the destruction or enslavement of the planet So that's a good baseline for a status quo Well, and even that is not true because the status quo for the last five years has been half of the population is dead Yeah, yeah, what about the work the Avengers did during those five years? Like when Black Widow was trying to keep all them together and they're doing all of that out there Yeah, but he would say that's also reactionary They need to be coming up with innovative solutions to the world problems But again, Tony, what Tony did Yeah, but the problem is they don't use that in these fucking movies Not properly, no No, it was in the game where they restored like all the people which technically is altering the status quo Because we've had five years of half the people Are you already men? Well, I just want to add that um All of the heroes defending the status quo don't even agree on what the neutral position should even be Exactly, they don't Other than less death would be good Of course everyone can agree on that But I was going to say like when I'm talking about necessarily Iron Man and Cap Which is obviously a huge disagreement but also just like the fucking aliens that are here Obviously they don't necessarily agree on whatever the status quo But they don't want to die, that's their main thing Yep, pretty straightforward Yep In Age of Ultron Tony and Bruce's plan to use AI technology To bring about peace in our time Peace in our time Is framed as the height of hubris And something that endangers all of humanity Well, no, no, no, no, no, no You're omitting a lot of context there One of the things that's pointed out Is that Tony made this decision without talking to the rest of the team And of course, he could broadly apply to without talking to the world So, yeah, it was pretty arrogant to just do it without talking to anybody about it Yeah, the idea of trying to create a system that will respond to threats rapidly And that means that you can retire and you can actually like have a life now Like, yeah, sure, that idea, you know, on its face is like, okay Yeah, I mean, that's like trying to be proactive It didn't pan out Well, and it's worth mentioning that every intention was for it to pan out And had it gone through intention, which is no necessary reason for them to think otherwise Would have worked real well Yeah, it's all right But like, what illustrates that almost perfectly is it does work out the second time with vision They create a counter robot that actually destroys the main bad guy robot Who then goes on to try to save the world several times Yeah, nobody talks about how vision is, they only talk about how bad Ultron was Exactly I suppose what I'm curious about though is again, because he's saying like, well Tony's decision to be proactive was considered the height of hubris And it's like, do you believe, so you believe that the hidden political agenda of Avengers the Age of Ultron is Don't change the world just fucking Yeah, as opposed to the outrage that several characters have for him for having done this reckless decision without further discussing it Even though in concept, a suit of armor around the world is like, I understand that I know what that means I understand that For sure, yeah But another hubris element is that part of what makes Ultron so destructive is that he's got Tony's personality in him Which is that, like, I know how to save the world better than you do and then, you know, does stuff that's destructive Because that's part of it It's what informs both his need and desire and willingness to save the world with sacrificial motives But also to do things that are not so wise It takes Tony's hint of megalomania and removes the conscience Yeah, yeah, you could view Ultron as being that Like Tony without a soul Don't trust robots, man, they don't think or feel Leave in peace and let us keep it I think you're confusing peace with quiet Ultimately Does he agree with him? Oh, there's so many things that are being implied right now It is, yeah, it's the implication that if the Avengers save the world and return it to the state it was That's not good, like the status quo You guys gone the ways Ultron was going to save us Yeah, it's weird that just the status quo is a negative reputation Because people only bring it up when they are trying to refer to something negative But by the way Well, we're going to work about the negative of the status quo When they think about running water, electricity, like functioning Yeah, human rights, functioning governments, representatives, republics You know, constitutions, human rights I think it's like actually like it's somewhat reasonable to think that if Ultron were a real thing Announced that he was going to kill everyone That Hassan would be on his stream being like He has a point Yo, he watches one piece Oh my god, that was Ultron's kind of like Hal, but if he was like really good If the Avengers learn that it's a mistake to try to reshape the world No, no No, no, it's not a thing It's that they need to work together as a team By the end of any game Do you recognize the way the Earth works compared to our Earth at that point? No It's so obvious that the whole point is they need to work together That's the point when they work together at the end of the film Like the old man said, together That's what it's about It's not about changing the world It's not a good idea It's that they need to work together as a team That's what makes the Avengers better than a lot of the entities that came before Dude, Age of Ultron is not a good film But that's obviously what it's about It's about working together It's got some good quotes And then it's got quotes that lead into other shit because of course what he brings to him in Endgame is that we were supposed to lose together but we didn't even do that Oh Moodle, you got to go to sleep, dear Yeah, I didn't expect this to go this long to be honest Yes, four hours is a long eFab, you're correct on that one Wow But I hope you enjoy your sleepingheimers Before you go, do you want to tell people why they should Bear in mind, this will not be... This is for later Yeah, I know Metal sports, every Sunday Come check it out with me, Mark It's always great times, good funds And I'm gonna probably be streaming some kind of video game Whatever is the hot shit Hell yeah The peak fire at the time, if you will Alan Wake 2 No, I will never touch that Payday 3 Alright lads, I'll catch you later Sleep well, sweet prince Don't be so mean He was saying all the stupid things Ultron was right, it's like he wasn't right, Metal Why'd you keep saying that? It was ridiculous Interesting authoritarian bend from the German Exactly, German robots They must wait around, wait around for external threats to materialize And then, and only then, leap into it Well, how can you say that when this is like Their efforts to completely extinguish Hydra They're looking actively to find any instances You'd be like, yeah but that's reacting to the knowledge of Hydra This is going a little step further than Hydra attacking things and then stopping them, isn't it? So first of all, just the image is all wrong But secondly, they do work outside of the fucking movies We know about it, we're told about it No, that's a tiny act of charity, don't you know? Even if this was true, it would be a good thing No rags, they're defending the status quo, the villains at a point This is the hidden politics of Avengers Age of Ultron is Status quo good Hydra should remain a shadow organization controlling SHIELD It's so weird, like the amount you have to ignore To do these stupid fucking politics bent videos Because I just feel like the baseline assessment of A lot of these stories is that they are trying to go for X And they oftentimes are rocky at best And they usually fuck things up Meanwhile, someone goes, ah, but if you consider all of this Intricate fuck ups and ignore some of these points here and there I can draw a picture that's actually very much specifically A thing that I find annoying, it's like, yeah, what a coincidence Yeah, this to me is just the way more The easier read for Marvel films is they're not very interested In saying much about the world, honestly They don't have that much to say They've been failing the basic world building stuff forever Because it's hard, it's really hard to write your own story about your characters And then to also consider all the characters in the other worlds And how they might be affected by all these events And then all the fucking Yeah, eventually you'll just be like, ah, fuck you It indicates that this is not the genre for them Because if you don't even care about world building And rules and concepts when it comes to this shit Secret invasion is one of many, many examples But they had no interest in this example now For just in terms of the aliens In particularly, the fact that they didn't care about the scrolls enough To figure out that part of the story You could have made a whole phase off of that And the lack of interest in these concepts is just shocking to me Every thing we break down, it seems like that's a pattern Action There have at this point been 20 This lineup, man Yeah, look at how grim it is Thor and Black Widow, not coming back Loki ruined Captain Marvel's never come back Black Widow's ruined, too Yeah, Scarlet Witch is dead The reason Black Widow's there, because she's a woman Why is Blackpatter there while Shuri's also there? Is Shuri there twice or is that Shuri? What's happening? I assume that's T'Challa But he's dead now So the problem is, this is the She-Hulk Like finale episodes shot So it's weird for him to be there Might have changed It's weird for Black Widow to be there, too, right? That's true, she should be there She should never be on this team Scarlet Witch, Scarlet Witch, Scarlet Witch I actually do want to point out that even further It's really weird that Black Widow is there She's been dead for a while in continuity at the time of this This line up being created Loki, okay, I understand why he's there Same with Captain Falcon, obviously thought Had a movie that makes sense Marvel's is coming up, makes sense Wanda's a bit of a question mark She's dead, she was implied to be dead Shang-Chi makes sense But then, yeah, I think the biggest confusion here Is why the fuck is Black Widow there All I can assume is because it's one of their mainline female heroes They obviously want to put her up front But she is dead and she's not coming back I don't know if he's the dude you guys Like what the heck It's made it very clear she's not coming back Pretty much Is it just phase four characters? Is that why So that's why Black Widow had a movie, I guess But why is there two Shuri's? Yeah Well, there's one, that is T'Challa That's T'Challa Look at the shoulders Yeah, that looks fast That's him You're the dude Yeah, Shuri's You're right But look how thick the neck is Yeah, you're right Shang-Chi is bracing it They're hiding the boobs Also, by the way, that fucking post of Maldives of Madness under the Marvel thing So bad Nolly That one was made by someone who did not have much time Let's put their eye In the Shadden Gloss Surrounding Doctor Strange 39 feature films And 20 television shows In and around the MCU But depending on when you're watching this Those numbers might be significantly higher What the fuck That's what happens in the show She breaks the fourth wall It's funny because it's the thing where we said Yeah, how can it be worse than Loki It's like she literally comes out of her own TV show to control the events Yeah, but are you gonna say these things When Deadpool does things Break the fourth wall? Exactly Well, that's the thing though If She-Hulk were funny, it would actually go a long way Yeah, of course She was funny I do like that It's like what are you saying, the women are funny It's like no, just you Instead it was give me what I want And make Daredevil my sex life That was really bad They aren't quite caught on to the whole double standard thing Yeah, give them a few more decades To say there's a staggering number Of characters and stories But if we take a step back We can identify an overarching pattern within the Yeah, that's the thing about Sensing patterns, isn't it, with humans You kind of have to ignore stuff They can lead you astray Our pattern recognition was really good When we were hunter-gatherers It's not so great The fact that you highlighted The amount of projects Made over so many eras By so many different writers, directors And points of view and cultural differences You really think there's going to be a unifying Pattern for all of them Outside of something so broad as to The main character beats up someone They hit on politics such that It's like concealed In a different manner Well, I would also say to him Study the phrase It's too good to be true because he wants this To be the hidden politics Yeah The superhero formula As David Graver points out The basic plot takes the following form A bad guy embarks On a project of world conquest Destruction, theft, extortion Or revenge, the hero is alerted To the danger and figures out what's happening I mean Oftentimes But there's also Other things happening, the hero Is often a part of the plot They're going to be involved Someone I want to break apart with this How could anything else happen In regards specifically to the individual villain They're not going to tell the I'm not going to say it's impossible But they typically don't tell the hero About their plan before they enact it It does happen, everyone Yep So with that in mind So what are you expecting Superhero movies that break this mold Because, or stories, doesn't even have to be a movie Better examples and like He just throws up a quote And lets it do the work for him Explain your thoughts about this It's just lazy This regards something of a point Of contention we've had on basically all of EFAP Which is I'm citing this person Because out of all the books I read They agree with me And so if I cite them it makes me Look more correct without looking vain It's a lazy brush man Like I don't care I don't care that this guy wrote a book I didn't read it dude I didn't read a thriller If you read a book you should be able to explain it Oh yeah it's a quote, look It's a quote from a book, okay I would owe you part of the problem as well Is the fact that this is a person who comes across As what may be referred to as a scholar Slash academic, someone who's not from Within the world of superhero content Related to comics or movies An analysis that is Praying for the plenty of whatever shit Listen to someone say that video games Lead you to violent acts, you're like Yes, this is some Listen to your ad talk about gay If you ever notice that the heroes Never do anything like a social program It's like they do though, except those times though Yeah Grasp onto that narrative Yeah, we gotta get more proactive Plots like the Lord of the Rings Let's see what more there is here After trials and dilemmas The hero foils the villain's plans The world is returned to normal Until the next episode When the exact same thing happens The exact same thing happens once again That's nice and reductive Nice and reductive Surely, yeah You blew it It just destroys it with the last two Yeah why use the word exact when you don't mean exact I enjoy that because it's not exactly The same thing at all That's when you lost me there Why don't we go with Maybe he's correct on most of them How about that and it's like Iron Man 1, the whole world changes by the end of the film You're like, oh, Iron Man 2 The world still changes The nature of Iron Man Tony Stark's Control over the Iron Man technology in the suits Has changed, you got a war machine now As well as the government's interest Something I find interesting About this quote is that it doesn't address The fact that it's something that's pointed out In the Civil War, right That in a sense the heroes existing Invites the villains responses to them Which this quote denies The agency of the heroes in Provoking Provokings probably not the right word Because it's generally meant to be that the villain In the wrong for the response But certainly the idea that the hero's presence In the world creates a response Like Vulture is created by In a sense by Iron Man I think that's Vision's best seen Yeah, Vulture's reaction It's a good point Sometimes the villains are reactions to the heroes I mean, so you could describe it in that way It's like, oh well the hero Is on some mission and project And then the villain finds out And then they react to it And then after Charles delivers At the last possible minute That's absolutely what Iron Monger does That's what Whiplash does That's what fucking Gillian does It's a lot of villain hero response So let's look at maybe what we could probably say Are the top three villains in the MCU We have Vulture and he's reacting To things that are happening around him We have Zemo Who is definitely reacting to Absolutely what the Avengers are doing We have Thanos Thanos is reacting to A crisis and a universal crisis And doing what he thinks is best for it Yep, and remember His plan got spurred on because The Avengers exist That made him hasten And it starts to work a bit harder To get his plan in action It's just what I see at play there Is way more normal, which is the push and pull That the characters in the world Are reacting to each other They don't just get up one day and go I hate the planet I'm gonna kill all of it Part of my will-building issues Wasn't that nothing was reacting Or changing It was that not enough was back in phase one and two Absolutely By the end of Captain America The implication is that Cap being In modern times is gonna change everything And it's like oh shit, and of course we bank on that In Avengers Thor, he decides I'm gonna be the personal protector Of Earth, that's a huge difference It's not something that was running before He's a fucking Norse god that's gonna now Semi-visit, he has a girlfriend on Earth You think that's not gonna change everything? For the better of course I only touch phase two All of that is phase one and that all is Dramatic change, it's not like a Episodic TV show where everything goes back to normal It's not, I just wish The changes were more thorough and more representative Of what would happen Because you know, and like I said By the time you hit the post-Endgame world That the MCU is so Beyond our world, like it's not Even close, you can't recognize anything anymore In terms of just how everything functions Or how everything should function considering all of the Technological advancements not including Stark Wakandan, all the space stuff You know what I mean? This is all of it now It's weird, they've sold everything It's crazy Something I'm thinking about right now Given that this quote was in response to the Dark Knight Rises, isn't this funny when In the Dark Knight Batman loses Like the Joker wins So, at the last possible minute The hero does not foot all the villain's plan Joker won The world is not returned to normal Batman is on the run and no longer Aging in Gotham So this doesn't even apply to superhero trilogy That this was about By the time we get to Dark Knight Rises Gotham is unrecognizable Compared to what it was in the Dark Knight Yeah, so it is a return To the status quo, things change This is all wrong It's just wrong about the context of the films That he was talking about and broadly applied To Marvel films in general For as formulaic as they can be This is still inaccurate So this is like the third or fourth quote That he's put up and you've dissected pretty much Every line of how it's just complete nonsense Well, it's basically all wrong That interest in superhero That's what he's going to say Because the indicator that he genuinely doesn't It's just a lack of interest Sounds grifty, but I don't know What could you devise as a possible Motivation? I would say that they Want to prove that these films are supposed to convince You that the world as it is is fine To change it And that would like seep into you in real world That you don't need to make any political change That's good And thus, you tacitly accept capitalism or something Yeah, obviously it would have one of the This could have been a right-winger or a left-winger Video technically speaking in terms of like They're trying to convince you not to speak up when you should Against and then labels a whole bunch of things That the MCU hasn't addressed at all The MCU is a good tool to do that with They don't give a fuck about the story But they know that it's something they can use Well, remember, if you were to say everything is Political, hyper-political and can't be Divorced from the context and the climate in which it's in And yeah, it does become A bit of a moral imperative, right? Making these kinds of arguments and videos You can slide right into the algorithm With the hidden politics of Marvel It's like, ooh Ooh, I wonder what Marvel's trying to Convince me of Slimy, like, come on I don't like it I feel like we've already gone over just how much I'm looking for references in order to make its point Which is, by the way, I'm never convinced With these whether or not they know Because they can be this blind When watching these movies, they can just watch them And be like, oh, this is exactly what I hate I look at him like Ridley right now, Mola You're looking at him with that little Ridley look Buzzy-dark I've got a big question mark, I know that I light it up whenever I'm confused Once again This looping Story structure remains consistent It's not looping I kind of wish it were They've lost The formula completely They don't know what the fuck they're doing anymore I guess that's an element of this video that I find interesting It's just gotten It's aged worse This time has gone on One of the biggest problems of the MCU right now Is that they don't take into account The insane things that they Definitely change about the world Well, I think one of the biggest Counties to this, which probably would have been Created by the time, like the script would have been Or the scene would have been filmed by the time He talked about this with the Hope Van Dyn Doing explicit systems Worldwide with technology That relates to Ant-Man to fix the world Like that's exactly what he's after He wouldn't have that film come out Just before this video had It would have been like a direct counter But of course there's loads of counters anyway There are certain things that are supposed to happen In a superhero story I hate this fucking scene They're like, oh look at how clever we are For our meta-analysis of the way that superhero films are made If you had written something That was a little bit more conventional Maybe it would have turned out okay Or rather than all of your crazy wacky Stupid ideas Anyway, well what's funny about it is that It's the whole point of genre I would argue Is that yes, there are certain things that are Typically supposed to happen within the thing that you're making Like let's not fucking drive it to insanity And say, oh yeah, that's the politics of the status quo Who's like, no That just wipes out the concept of Subversion and deconstruction Which by the way are practically dirty words Now because of how badly they've been done The pattern of resetting the world To the status quo At the end of each storyline I feel weird pointing out like with World War II It's just not true This is all bullshit Listen, the Allies just wanted to preserve the status quo When they stopped Hitler from invading Europe Hitler was a man with ideas, right? He was a creative guy He was endlessly creative He's partially a function of the serialized Nature of the superhero genre But it's also an explicit principle Unto itself within the MCU Meta-narrative Recall that in Endgame We try not to Build a quantum time machine And use it to undo That's bad writing Bad writing It's not the hidden political agenda It's bad writing They invented a curell To every possible problem ever And they don't use it more than once And they don't even tell us why At least in the Dark Knight he says like let's use it once and never again Which I have issues with But the fact that we just go as far as saying oh Yeah, we have time travel It's like oh do we? It's as though it never existed It's insane Well it might come up in the next Avengers movie That's when I expect them to register it There's certainly no PIM particles left Dude, I wouldn't be surprised PIM particles all the time If it is Galactus or Doctor Doom That does some world ending thing We actually get a Disney level Can't we use the time travel to defeat them? It's like no, that's a one in a million It would be like fuck you That would be one in a million It's too bad we didn't have PIMs in the first one We went back in time Yeah, we don't have any more PIM particles I wonder how Batman shrinks And grows without his PIM particles Because it's a new thing Because PIM comes back That's right No, what it will be is oh shit I didn't tie my shoelace once I'm Hulk and I tripped and I destroyed it And Tony's dead and he built it I tried it down He did do it on his computer But then it blew up It runs on nanocenter particles Tony failed to provide more of So it's just done I didn't notice Is Rocket's tail not vacuum sealed there? Nope I've never noticed that myself I feel like you gotta put that In a little bag or something He's shrinking and shrinking The tail stays the same size I'm gonna create a lot of erasist He's more tail now than Batman He's more tail than Raccoon I never noticed that They didn't even give him like a little box or a bag They just pundle it up in Glass jar Can't use it to undo the staff But after rematerializing All the people who had been dusted The heroes don't employ that Incredible technology Over the infinity stones To address any of the other It's bad writing You cannot say this supports the status quo You can't make that out It's just stupid This is indicative of the hidden political agenda Of the Russo brothers You know for a fucking fact When they finished writing this They were like we are so done with the MCU This shit makes no sense anymore We're out They did help They kicked out the latter That plague planet In fact The rules of this fictional universe Prohibit them from doing so Nope they don't you can still do it They don't Check out my endgame Just watch the fucking movie It's pretty simple All you have to do is come back to her And be like oh I know you don't like us stealing your gems But trust me this time we need it Trust me we'll bring them back We've had this conversation before You let us do it last time And of course with Loki season 2 We now know again with yet more confirmation You can absolutely change the past And you can duplicate infinity stones too They must have It's so funny to be like This continuity decides the meaning of all of the MCU Not that other stuff though I'm not counting that Not even counting Counting the actual repercussions Of this continuity just your interpretation Of it Cowardly is what it is They'd have to kill every Not kill everyone kill one person each time For the soul stone Like that might be the reason It's just available to them they've got it You know it's just they have it You know because they would have Yeah they would have returned it to that area Presumably put it on the fucking floor Just been like Yeah Yeah they'll just roll over that Like the soul stone is have a ball They had it so Well no wait no the stones don't exist Because they put them back in time And then Thanos have destroyed them So there are no stones presently But you can always go back and get them I thought that they put them all back In their locations but that still wouldn't have No they put them all back Where they got them from so that the time That doesn't make sense though I know I know Do I say it? I know I understand Because that's what the film thinks is happening That's what the film believes is What they've done Is that they put them back where they came from So that they could then have all of the events play out As they still did And for them to be destroyed So there are no time stones or space stones You can say that They just can't Because that means Gamora would have to be alive Because she would need to be sacrificed No I know it doesn't work It cannot work It is like an import One of the big ones is that they return the space stone It's like dude that was a fucking Tesseract when you took it What are you going to do? You're going to put it in like a big blue box What did you box? It doesn't work and game is awful But come to think of it though Like they would only need the soul stone They were going back in time Required the infinity stones What's the thing? You only really need the time stone To fix any problem Exactly Well now that you've got the time machine You don't even need the time stone Well no because the time machine Takes you back to a different time It splinters off into a different world Well only if you mess with an infinity stone According to them But that doesn't make any sense Just because someone says it What happens for you, okay? I know Molo Trust me, I know Am I correct now in thinking that The only rule now governing time travel Is you cannot interact with an infinity stone Willst back in time What Tilly Swinton says is Because remember Bruce says that changing the past Doesn't change the future And then they say that back to the future is bullshit Which is fun There's a hell of a lot more sense in this fucking movie Yeah But then when they talk to Tilly Swinton here She says that removing a time stone From the flow of time is what creates a split But of course now we know that's not true In Loki Loki even contradicts it Because any decision ever Results in a change in the continuity And then they prune it But Tilly Swinton couldn't have known about the TVA None of it works It contradicts itself left and right They must have known when they said Only taking or manipulating an infinity stone Creates another time They must have known that makes no fucking sense at all They had to have known on set like that's bullshit though Like that's fucking dumb Returning of these stones If you return The soul stone You don't get Black Widow back So what do you do You just drop a stone on the floor And it's like yeah I guess so And then of course the next time you need it You go back there and you're like yeah it's still here It's just on the floor If you want to pick it back up It's so funny because these are the kinds of people That would constantly rant about media literacy And it's like you gotta not pay attention What people tell you in these stories What happens Just because she said what she said Doesn't make it true Stone to undo the invasion of the dark universe That was a nice thing And return the world to normal Yeah good thing he fucking did that Good thing he did Do you want to hang out in the Dormambu universe Do you want to hang out there I don't want to have the voice to you At least Dormambu has creative ideas About eating the souls of all of humanity He's endless creative Why did you make this video I just got some ideas I just got some ideas This Dormambu guy This Dormambu would be a little more like the latter half of Bloodborne Dormambu knows my show Infinite horror Listen, the MCU is dead Long live the DCU The Dormambu The Dormambu who's in the universe Yeah there you go Yet he is expressly forbidden From using that power To change the status quo So isn't this a film that supports The idea that it doesn't have the hidden politics He was told not to use it At all Like him doing that was outside of the box That was against the status quo of the wizards It was so against the status quo of the wizards That uh That uh good ol uh That's what Edge of Fall was like Nah I don't like you anymore Moro He's criticizing Doctor Strange For not becoming a supervillain after the first film And just being like yeah well I'm just doing this every time I'm going to solve every problem that I can consider Yeah like I find this kind of funny Because the whole idea with Doctor Strange Is that he is kind of like He does throw a wrench in the status quo He is a bit unorthodox For a wizard Um what I was going to highlight as well Is that I'm pretty sure Because like first of all this is a very explicit admission From uh Pop Culture Detective That defending the status quo Truly does include Preventing a horrible magical monster From eating everyone Which is insane Like oh look at you defend the fucking status quo It's like really dude I don't know it feels like He should have been more proactive No no no What it was is he should have been more proactive And invaded the dark dimension To kill Dormammu himself Before he even got to this point The only thing I was going to highlight though Was that uh even though he's highlighting The reality that you shouldn't be using it Really nearly Correct me if I'm wrong but in the scene He starts using it on the apple And then some like weird things happen Like crystals appear right And I think the implication is that you're starting to tear apart the universe By Yeah so unfortunately he can't challenge the status quo Of physics Isn't that stupid to be like Strange you're such a fucking coward By the universe Wow The other thing I was going to bring up Was that um correct me if I'm wrong When he's fighting Squidward He actually does try to use the time stone Before he's disabled He does So he is willing to use it Which remember it's unorthodox That is not something You're not meant to, Doctor Strange was breaking the rules constantly Surely he should like Doctor Strange As the character fucks around Kind of challenges the status quo of the wizard There's no question He does the motions and you have all the green shit And the eye of Agamotto opens up Yeah he was going to use the time stone To change the status quo Man He was so cool in Infinity War man Hell fucking yes Infinity War was not made by the same people who made Ad Game okay it's a conspiracy I don't get it It's the best version of it we ever got It was made by the Star Wars shill version Of the Russo brothers It was peak fire bro But it turned out it was a Peak Valley Peak Valley Do not tell him about natural law And then he did What are you suggesting The status quo Is he suggesting that physics themselves are saying Yes don't do any political change He specifically said natural law What is he going to say What's he going to say about Doctor Strange I'm just taking my head Look at him like oh god here we go They ruined her Absolutely Comparing her to Daredevil Is actually quite interesting Because it's like a health bar Like she's gone There was a time where I really liked her But I can't look at her the same way after everything Daredevil on the other hand the damage that's been done Is not significant enough yet He's a victim He was embarrassed And she hulked And he was slightly damaged But that's just more like Most people don't even notice that One does not obliterate it One division and Doctor Strange All together It's really fresh She's like She's the worst Wonder is page of Ultron Civil War She's the nearest terror She's the nearest terror for me In terms of like I don't know which is the worst I've ever seen But those are like the two I think Of like Esther character assassination Where you just shredded every Well pop in a Luke Skywalker I'm serious It show up on a Jon Snow show The dragon just carried her away She was fine Daenerys and Luke have been my one and two But I'm trying to find room for Wanda Oh no I get you because I think a lot of people would assume like Surely Daenerys and Wanda are worse They made him not care About his family and the world So it's kind of like Equal in a sense Catastrophe Luke is a special case But I also think back of like Can you laugh at Jake Skywalker I can laugh at it I can't laugh at Wanda I can't laugh at Jon Snow Immediately laughs I don't think I can laugh at Luke I love Star Wars 2 I can't laugh at Luke But I can laugh at the Jake Skywalker situation That's what I mean That's why I can't find it funny It still sucks I think that's my point Everyone's going to have their one where they just can't I think a lot of it is Going by Joker The tragedy eventually tends to a comedy But some of them take fucking ages Because I'm still looking at TLJ Like where it started man That's the destruction I know but it feels like it was TLJ It was TLJ TFA had everyone excited With all its problems It could have just been that bad movie Retrospect, it could have just been the bad one Yes, other than Han Han, we lost him We got to drop him, but like There's a lot of things they could have salvaged I think that's the one black guy that Well honestly, I think them having assassinated Luke Actually gave more Resistance to them having done it to Han In retrospect, like people were more willing to entertain that But they weren't at the time Because JJ succeeded in what he was trying to do Which was to make you feel like it was Star Wars That was the only thing, which is why again Going back to that acolyte trailer I don't know how much weight I give to the whole This feels like Star Wars Can we deal with that later Can we sort out the storytelling first Like whether or not it feels like Star Wars Is just not as important to me right now The shit show that feels like Star Wars Gee, thanks What does that even mean? It evokes lights What is this show going to do for someone Who's never heard of Star Wars In their entire life That's what I'm saying The idea of having that person In the writer's room to be like If I didn't know anything about Star Wars You need to change this That audience member doesn't exist I don't think there's anyone that's jumping on It frustrates me My standards since I've been really young For superhero stuff or almost anything It's got to be good enough for the people who don't give a fuck About the content So I can watch it with family members and friends There's nothing better than introducing Someone to something you love And then they love it too It's the best feeling I think I showed family Civil War With the intention of hoping to talk to them About it afterwards and see what they think And hopefully they would enjoy different aspects Infinity War I think there's a bit of that But these days as would be evident From seeing my videos I actually like showing the Marvel movies Because we do it while having alcohol And we laugh at them It's gotten to that point And it's like how did that happen It's like they're really shit And they're very entertaining to laugh at Listening to my sister and her husband Reacting to MoDoc was fucking hilarious That was a hilarious good call MoDoc! It's because It brings you together But even through that She and both of them Had a moment of having a really Really good point about immersion And consequences and deaths How significant death Can be when you do it right They're just watching a movie casually Having some drinks but people get it They get it I think it definitely came across as People understand it's the little things That care It's really quite sad because When I say to them What are you working on The newest $300 million Marvel movie And they're like I've never heard of it And I'm like That's where we're at right now We defended In fact It's made quite clear That if a superhero ever did try To fundamentally transform Those operates They run the risk of turning into A supervillain themselves Really bad example considering That we're told explicitly that the Dark Hold Is changing her personality Obviously there's Obviously that's wonky in universe Because of the motivations we have Both before after and during all of this It's really hard to nail down exactly what the Dark Hold even does But it's weird that he chose that Considering how much he adheres to dialogue Which is what is explicitly said Secondly, the whole change she's doing Is because her magical Made up kids that don't actually exist Were taken from her And then she tried to steal someone else's from a different dimension Why are we Categorizing actions like that As creative changes to the status quo What is wrong with you Because she's hot I'm not going to deny that okay If Wanda was a hag People would be right with us You would have never needed to make that video That would be so funny to get the AI Type it into chat Do this movie but make it ugly Yeah We would have got the truth I want to Steal children She's a bad guy I couldn't see it before She's too hot She's too hot We can't let those children have an ugly mother She's too hot for the married dimension Like she just broke her hotness She just broke the film Broke the marriage That is so weird from the pickle Of the most hateous villains Like you know Thinking about it At this point It might be useful to define what the status quo means Okay In a sociological sense The status quo refers to the current Social, political and economic structures Under which we all live You mean the ever changing Isable status quo Or the MCU That also includes everybody being alive Just throw that one in there Everybody is alive That's part of the status quo, true And we also value not delving into other dimensions To kidnap children That's another status quo element Generally not a thing Not kidnapping children in general She had no plan For what to do with the mother after If you do it enough That's the status quo So be the change you want to see in the world For most societies today Those structures include things like Militarized nation states Neoliberal governments Neoliberalism Wow I guess he's saying Those things are the status quo A lot of them are A lot of them aren't I guess it's funny the imagery though Neoliberalism Neoliberalism now to just Try and help people Okay fine Fine Give them credit for that You those damn liberals They want to clean up messes Fucking libs with I didn't even know how to make fun of this Clean streets Damaged control Functioning infrastructure That's a government thing Look at the eagle You're saying it's a neoliberalism Government that's what's the status quo How could you How could you think you could just say this Without explaining it Fucking libs Helping people Worthless Privatized industry Oh no Private industry It's not the comrades industry It's not our industry You gotta love how it's Sequestered as like it's either private or not There's not like interesting differences In the many versions of privatized industry It's only just it is or it isn't The government organization had Tony Stark Who's like a private industry guy That's the These governments regularly cooperate With private businesses On tracks and subsidies and things Neoliberalism Those fucking libs They want to clean our goddamn streets Don't let them But capitalism Oh no, not capitalism The primary responsibility Of superheroes is to maintain The status quo Those superiors gotta maintain capitalism Capitalistic neoliberalism If we are the industrial complex Listen Instead of a science fiction This was like a fantasy genre Communism and socialism Were the typical structure Of governments and whatever on earth The superheroes would still Want to stop the earth from being Blowed up It doesn't matter what the economic system is Crazy talk rags Crazy talk We need a planet I just like that you defeat Sauron And Lord of the Rings and they're like So we're gonna obliterate currency When Thor is trying to save Asgard Is he defending neoliberal capitalism There as well Asgard and neoliberal capitalist economy I don't think so He knew he was going to get blowed up In Ragnarok, he knew that Because he was like I'm pro-capitalism So hopefully we can make a nice event To blow up Asgard He was disrupting the status quo Of the totalitarian dictatorship of Kang And replacing it with Whatever they decide to do Even the writers don't know Kang's system had currency There were realistic elements happening in there We saw the bar It was a dictatorship Maybe the bar was secret though It was creative That's right, he had creative plans Like building a ship to leave Ooh Very creative I want to build a ship to leave this video Well I away Wouldn't be Considering the assumed nebula ad Please be a long nebula ad I can't believe I can't believe this video has been Praying for a long time I pray for a nebula ad I hope it's long Tell me about how much you are helping me With the nebula ads What's the politics of Xander Is that a neoliberal capitalist economy That the guardians were trying to uphold Yes What was it about Defending neoliberalism about guardians too That they didn't want countries And planets that may include neoliberal Dude imagine you said that Ego Ego was a big communist You just needed to have him wearing With the hammer and sickle on his shirt You had the Shagovara t-shirt on This is a real Crazy political commentary These Marvel films doing these Much of a problem if the world As it exists We're a wonderful paradise It's really good As we all know it very much Isn't Our world is rife with exploitation And oppression No, like I said By the time you hit phase 4 and 5 It's unrecognizable, it's crazy The shit that's going on is just gnaws The amount of technology and all of the Aliens on earth Aliens in the form of the aliens That come to Asgard And then of course all of the scrolls that got invited By one guy that are all on earth All of the crazy technology The fact that they even know that there's life out there In the universe, the connections to magical entities Don't forget about Namor, Namor and all those guys down there That's true, the underwater Yeah, you got like underwater people as well They're gonna be mutant soon The idea of trying to like The idea of trying to do parallels Between the world that we live in That has none of those things with the world of the MCU It's just like They're never gonna be analogous That can't be, they're just so different Well even talking about it as if they were analogous If the MCU world was essentially ours It's like I don't know I don't look at the world and think that Oh, what a shitty fucking place that we shouldn't save You know, like that's Bizarre to me No rags, it's save it In a way that's more proactive Yeah, and save it in a way that matches his politics The person who made this video Like, I don't know, how does Iron Man stop In the process of studying ultra And say like, you know what I think that we should put more money into our healthcare Like, I don't know Wait for you, I got it You gotta be on TV saying you gotta do better Senator, that's what'll nail it That's right, yeah, that's right If you wanted to increase You know, if you wanted to make healthcare better On Earth, you would have to use The massive private industries Of the space faring people To bring that technology here Like from Guardians 3 In order to save it So it's just a matter of moving the problem Not to mention impending ecological collapse Climate change Impending ecological collapse Tony Stark is investing in Tony Stark is investing in clean energy, man He's trying to make it work With more renewable I wasn't watching the movies I stole his ant, man That's right Like I said, that whole Opening scene for Iron Man and Avengers We've just not referenced it at all It's a little bit remarkable Especially because it's referenced a couple of times It's important throughout the movie It's not just a throwaway The arc reactor is emissionless energy Now unfortunately We don't have arc reactors here That are creating a massive amount of energy So it's not super helpful in terms of creating any That's the thing Their world is not ours They do make the difference But because our world still has These problems, it's Iron Man's fault Because our world still has these problems It's shit Our world doesn't have the crazy technology That exists in the mob What's Iron Man done for our world, Fringy? That's the thing It does exist in the world and they use it to help people But it's not being recognized Do you think that The film wants you to conclude more renewables Or less renewables when it shows Tony Stark creating clean energy for his tower What do you think the film wants you to come away With a conclusion of that I don't know, confusing He needs the Iron Man harder next time He's punching too many people, Fringy He's not really doing anything to do with energy The film is now widespread, rapid And intensifying that human Our current reality is at least as scary As anything a supervillain could conjure up No fuck off No How come reality is as scary And the giant purple man Gives a bunch of rocks clicking his fingers And deleting off the life of the universe Fringy, please That's not the scariest Remember, we outclassed that several times That's the evil robot An evil robot getting a big chunk of the land And then throwing it into earth to kill everything Not even then What about all the dimension shit, you know That's true, we got the multiverse now Incursions, multiverse destroying everything Yeah To be fair, in the real world We do have tornadoes sometimes Yeah, but we've also got the multiverse I swear, it's right there If you put your hand out there, you can feel it Oh Oh Now, the MCU Is of course But it's also designed as a mirror Of the real world Get it, because they're in the mirror dimension It's kind of meant to be a mirror Of the real world in the sense that They're mentioning Is a window Oh, yeah, it's meant to present you The idea is that hopefully You can watch these films and if they're written well Take away lessons and morals And ideas into your life But in terms of creating Like a real world parallel between the world Of the MCU and our world It gets more and more and more complicated When you start to divorce it so much From the real world And the real problems that we have to deal with Because what does it mean For a problem that we have in the world To be addressed in a world that has all of this Crazy technology and magic Like where an ant man can have a line like Oh, yeah, we're using our crazy shrink tech To build fucking houses We're cool, we don't live in a world where we can just Use shrink tech to build Mini houses and blow them up into big houses To solve housing problems So not super useful In terms of helping us learn anything But, you know Except with super beings And aliens and wizards all thrown in the mix Androids, aliens and wizards That's not a thing That's definitely a thing No, it's not Just imagine what these super beings could accomplish If they applied their immense power To creating a better universe You mean like what we see in the film? What is he doing right now? Well, he wants the way that he means No, but this is a weapon This is a weapon That doesn't count Well, if they use these weapons To force the political change that he Approves of, then he'd approve of it I and Matt should go to the White House And say if we don't Become socialists, I'm going to shoot Or I'm going to kidnap the president or something like that It's so funny, yeah Because like this whole thing just falls apart If you actually acknowledge all of this Which he's avoided I was expecting him maybe to reference more of them And be like this doesn't count because this Is one of several things that could have happened and didn't But no, he's just kind of ignoring them Give me examples They could work to end the systems that cause Exploited labor and What do you mean? How do we Identify capitalism as an exploitative Like you know, economic system What does it look like for Iron Man to end it? Tell me how that works What happens in more than 50% of the populace of that country Disagrees with him Which they will in every country They will Well, I guess he's wrong They're wrongs already, he's going to fuck him up Looks like they're the supervillains Free Tony Stark needs to build His own like media empire Where he propagates his own Like information that Supports and bolsters his own worldview He needs to create his own fucked news Builds his own planet that orbits Earth And he's like everyone come join me on my planet Where it's communist, not a capitalist Brown table always had Brown table always had takes like this Where it's just like so simplistic Like a child Well he was reminded of Karl Marx to be fair There's him, that was the brown That was him, yeah Or we will forget that Browning They could devote their energy to stopping Pollutive industry or reverse it How, how, how, how How is he going to Create new energy Here is of course that he's going to go ahead and fucking Blow all these stations up or something Well, yeah, cause then of course He add onto that, what happens when it ain't America What if it's a country for which Tony is not a citizen Well, I mean if we're going to talk about global warming You know India and China I mean Tony's going to Fly over there and what Let's pretend for a second he was here and I said What's he going to do blow up and he goes no you fucking idiot He's going to make social change, he's going to affect this He's like oh you mean like if he was to let's say New energy source that could maybe compete with them To put them out of business New energy source, exactly, yeah Or would it be so if Tony's Just like ran for congress or something Or like ran for the senate So in the meanwhile while he's being Probably, yeah The thing is he's fucking time to be The president, be a senator The motherfucker is fighting war as well Simultaneously trying to Effect social change, just what I mean Like it's all, this is absurd All the events, the MCU of which many of us Have many criticisms of And not elaborating on any actual changes Like most frustrating thing about this Video is like what the fuck do you want Like tell me what you want, what's the fix here Like just give me some help Talking these fake directors This is vague the video Like I just, I really, this is a bizarre one Where they incline a change They could redistribute the wealth And resources Redistribute the wealth I am one should use force To take money away from people I am going to fly into like Jeff Bezos's vault And fly around Over the cities throwing the money down Yeah, well if he was an actual hero That's what he'd do, so fuck you Tony Stark upon realizing he is rich Don't think about that But our heroes What did he just say? Robin Hood style It was the thing we were talking about To use violence and subversion To take the money from wealthy people It'll make the world a better place If he was to go into Jeff Bezos's house And break a puddle of his big secure walls And find any supposites of money And then provide that to the Lower ends of society monetarily He would make the world a better place to do that They could redistribute the wealth And resources of billionaires Robin Hood style But our heroes don't do That simple But our heroes simply instead Trying to defeat aliens Because here's the thing They're heroes Fucking slappers Why aren't my heroes fighting For socialism at gunpoint Why aren't my heroes doing this So funny how delusional He is that he's sitting in his room Just thinking like yeah Cap just breaking into rich people's houses Stealing this shit and passing it to poorer people What is wrong with the world What is wrong with you It's also because people with violence In necessary a posse Like that's not gonna happen They just don't see the bigger picture They think just do this And you'll fix everything There's nothing else will happen It's so funny because you'd be like Well first pragmatic issue He's gonna get the police after him It's like you mean fascists You're like uh You go from trying to talk about logic And go through the script and they just say One listen and it's like okay It's pointless though And if 51% of the people don't agree If it's super villainy of the majority Uh well we can just convince them Otherwise rags by stealing from them Instead The superheroes engage in Random acts of benevolence Random acts Random acts What does it mean to have a random act Of infrastructure related to clean energy sources That's random Yeah it doesn't seem random Seems like a big deal One might argue it's uh quite Considered one might They'd be wrong though obviously A billionaire gifts the world With some fancy new proprietary technology That's how he's Is that the addressing of the Clean energy Stark tower is about to become a beacon Of self-sustaining Okay I don't know how else to explain this to He's a baby He's just cracked it He's making it so that this is his first project Stark tower Can we run that on its own This is the beginning This is not him establishing a fucking trophy For himself to be like look how amazing I am He's testing the technology And also the way that he says like The benevolent billionaire gifts it Would you prefer it if he sold it Would you prefer it if he tried Billionaires can be nice Nothing he can fucking do properly He's created Clean energy Yeah but he's rich So he's unforgivable It's just unforgivable Easy man And he managed to do this problem without using violence While reacting to villains A soldier asks Don't Don't Don't Don't Fucking hell You gotta fight against the status quo Senator I don't know how but you gotta do it I don't know how I didn't get the answers to it He's been walking this grace though This guy's been walking me even though He's like he's so done I kinda liked Falcon He was cool in Civil War I honestly think one of the best jokes Is the whole MCU in terms of delivery Which is a simple like can you move up your seat No It's so perfect Like the face and the fact that Right after they both gave him the nod When he got the kiss from the girl finally That's what your boys would be doing in the car I feel like those two scenes Got them their show together Well not to mention the Spider-Man Web's wall up there He just goes is this stuff coming out of you Yes All of his reactions were on point man And they turned him into like a meme now Like why can't just let him be Loki and Falcon They were both perfectly fine And they tried to make them into hero man Well arguably the most serious thing They did with Falcon was one of the most embarrassing things They've done with anybody ever The big speech and what have you got to say They wrote it and what he had to say was I don't know do better I don't like things the way they are You do it I presume he's about to criticize this as like being I fucking hope so I don't even know That's the joy of the video is I have no fucking clue Yeah No No Actually no Now I'm confident it is just going to be A soldier asks nicely That corrupt bureaucrats just do better You've got to do better Thank fucking goodness This isn't far enough This isn't good enough Well I mean it is kind of like It would have been difficult to contextualize This as a positive people have tried And failed Yes well and I think a lot of people have come to realize Like okay yeah this was shit It's like yes it was Yeah it sucks In the best case scenario a wealthy monarch Builds an international network of community centers That's better than the clean Renewable free energy for the planet Why does he keep cutting context This is also his first step Into reaching out to the whole world This is the beginning of Wakanda getting involved In world of I thought he was going to point to this As being like not just The best of bad scenarios But an actual instance of them trying to Address What he wants But I guess even this isn't good enough The way that he just removes All of the context from stuff that I don't even think Black Panther is a good movie And I don't like Wakanda I hate the way that they treated the world They abandoned it while judging it for being You know Like in turmoil It's absolutely ridiculous but like you know The point he's hitting them for isn't valid This would be the first Wakanda International Outreach Center These band-aid approaches May help a few disenfranchised Individuals here and there But they're also designed to keep the current Economic and political structures Firmly in place I don't see how the community Centers is designed to keep the Blah blah blah in place Like groups Nations and cities and towns Are made up of individuals You have to take care of individuals Just because you can't get every single one That doesn't mean you're not going to create good Change by helping people you can Of course if you talk about the idea Of stories giving you As a regular person Ideas on how to navigate through life If the films were all successful In convincing everybody in the world To do a nice thing for someone Every now and then It all adds up Like individuals only really have the capacity To do small individualistic Good deeds I don't know what this argument is called When you highlight What it's doing but you highlight What it doesn't do in this case being It doesn't change the status quo I don't know what the argument is called The air of it is that it's a counter To the notion of doing the action in the first place But it's not you just have to flip it back again In response I would say like So the status quo doesn't change yes but these We're helping people with social programs as heroes That's what they're doing You haven't counted that you've simply said Well the thing the status quo The assumed status quo that causes a lot of these Problems or at least doesn't deal with them properly Is still there and it's like Well sure but like nothing changes overnight Of this degree Is good can you concede that And that's what I'd want if he was in the call right now But I concede that it's a good thing It sounds like you're saying it is But that it doesn't do a thing you want it to do But you're saying it in ways that kind of downplay it You're like yeah you're trying to cancel it out You know you donate some money But at the end of the day what's happening Is a person has created clean energy And you're trying to present it as Being less than that in this world It's one of the end games for the civilization Is to create extremely Strong and powerful Essentially limitless or limitless Well I mean we basically get to Type one civilization once we hit That point and that's like type one What's gross about this to me is that All of these examples of people trying And he's like fuck you not good enough Yeah not good enough Yeah okay guy making youtube videos You can't be this ungrateful while not Also specifying what you want And providing reasonable ideas Well we saw what he wants To bust into Jeff Bezos' vault To not only take From the rich and provide to the pulpit To obliterate capitalism He wants Tony to destroy it Which is so funny because it's just like We just assumed Tony would agree with him As opposed to Tony Stark being like Are you okay? Like are you You sound like You say that's the hidden politics of the writers That they would write Tony to where he disagrees with me The bastards Because you could easily make it Oh yeah of course It would also be pretty funny Tony Stark destroys what Kandabur can do Anymore evil He's destroying the whole world dammit Wipe him off the place of the earth He's gonna build hotels on the moon Hyper capitalism Destroy capitalism institute hyper capitalism Super Earth The incomparable truth is charitable or philanthropic endeavors Rarely if ever Just threaten the entrenched positions Of the rich and powerful I don't care Society's gonna have rich and powerful people I don't necessarily care It's just so weird because Could he at least show some evil super powerful people Instead of Tony Stark Yeah he's just saying they're rich and powerful Therefore they are evil Like they're intrinsically linked As if virtue is relative to your bank account And it's a simple fact What's the number where you just officially become this Well I heard it was billions But then it went down to nearly It's a moving line Because it's gotta be one that doesn't allow Hassan to fit into the map Exactly they pick and choose Whatever the number is It's probably above whatever Mackintosh Is gonna make Remember good old top on center income In the United States It's not as high as you might think it is It's like 250,000 dollars You're top 1% in America It's just people who If a Tony Stark existed in real life I'm not gonna go with like a Elon Musk Or anything more like has he is in the MCU Especially someone who is Actively in a way that we know Putting his life on the line to save us From crazy monsters or normal people God that's I just don't think many people would take issue With it being rich People would feel the way about Tony Stark That they do in the MCU Which is like that cool guy And then you would have people like in Civil War Who are like yeah nobody thinks about the people Who don't make it Yeah I think everything you just said Is part of the reason why people love Tony Stark's character Because we can all see this happening Like it's just the It's Batman as well Because Batman again is the billionaire Who goes out at night And puts his life on the line to defend this city I think a lot of these stem from He is not good enough There is plenty of ass stuff as well It's just endearing what do you do with your money Like it's just a concept that is Really proven from these two characters And probably others I'm not even mentioning right now I mean it's a super complex topic I mean if you have a lot of money What are you going to do to create the most good Is like well I mean it's really complex If you don't want to make people dependent on your money Ideally but you want to use your money to Make things better so how do you actually Do that you know And also do you how much of an obligation Do you actually have do you have an obligation To just spend all of your money on making the world A better place if you've earned this vast fortune Is like well is that necessarily And do you believe that you have better ideas Than your local government You know for instance Yeah and do we want to Spend as money better than Gotham could spend As money Yeah do we want to set the precedent that we should Say that all of the super rich and super powerful Need to be mega politically active In these ways I thought that was the problem You know it gets real bad then when You're like I'll do it and he's like yay And then he goes right here's my policy You're like no no no no no no those are the ones No it's like Iron Man I want You're like oh okay I see I gotta do what you want Specifically and that's what the video Boils down to is like I wish all of the rich And powerful people did exactly what I wanted Yeah exactly It's just so simplistic Yeah I mean was he like a big fan of Like Michael Bloomberg's campaign For the president Oh yeah imagine Trump Was like a superhero In his little Trump suit doing Trump Trump blazes and stuff and then it's like If only Trump made social change And he runs for president Totestark Totestark's the loser Iron Man Iron is weak I'm Donald Trump I'm a new man And it needs to have Like the flashing you know for whatever he's talking Kind of like you know how Bender And he's got like It needs to have a suit portion for his His hair You know I defeated old Trump He was a very nasty robot Very nasty The good people of Sokovia The very good people Steve Rodgers good friend of mine Good friend of mine I saw City of the Air and I knew That's how honorable Gorgeous Tremendous Tremendous Tremendous was a very nasty A nasty purple guy You know what I told him I told him before That was going to be trouble I told him when I came in here I told him That he was a nasty Tremendous Tremendous made some very bad deals I never trusted him you know I never trusted him I didn't And I didn't If only Seen in that light The fact that our superheroes Could use their incredible powers To change the world for the better Like they do But choose not to Starts to feel downright dystopian Really bad example considering That makes a fucking executive decision In Winter Soldier that required a lot of input For many people and he didn't care He made it himself I just there's no principle here It's just well as long as they're doing What we don't change eye What we don't change eye What we don't change eye What if you agree with their politics Then it's not dystopian Then it's just like Because things keep changing You would need to have a system It's wild These people are A lot of their positions would probably be We don't want to get too involved In deciding the fate of humanity Because I don't know if it's such a small It's what civil war is about. A group of people should do it. Yeah, that's what the whole film is about. And then of course, the fact that there's the two leads of sword that disagree with what should be the status quo. That's right. Mm-hmm. How could you make this video? No violence. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, my goodness. So it's curious that the only characters who voice any kind of systemic critique are the bad guy. He's not bad. No, Vulture is not voicing systemic critique. Wait. Who said it? Can it be charge of the universe? Can it make anything happen? I will. On the universe. He controls all of time. He is the authoritative figure who has taken over the world. He's the... He is the status quo. He created the status quo. That's a terrible example. What I find fascinating about Vulture, especially in this scene, is that the point I think homecoming makes is that the effect heroes like the Avengers have on the world can create someone like a Spider-Man, but they can also create a Vulture. Exactly. And good thing Spider-Man wins, because Spider-Man isn't the one who's selling crazy dangerous alien weapons. For the benefit of money. Just to advance his own interests. Yeah. Yeah, just for money. Remember, Vulture's issue was with a specific department doing a specific thing. Yeah, he blames Iron Man and the Avengers and heroes for all of it when it's a fucking annoying governmental interference. Yeah. Vulture's not trying to be like, yeah, we need to dismantle the system, man. He doesn't want to change the world. He has no interest in changing the world. Yeah, he's got a family and a nice house and everything. He just wants to make the money. Well, this scene he's highlighting like, you know, guys like us. Right? Like, we're having the trouble thanks to fucking Tony, thanks to the others. Like, we need to look out for each other. We need to look out for ourselves. The idea that he's making some grand societal critique is so bullshit. He's out for himself and by extension his family. Which is fine. It's a really fucking solid villain motivation. Yeah, he's a simple villain. That's probably the reason he's one of the best. No, actually, he was expressing a dissertation upon the ills of society. Those people up there, the rich and the powerful, they do whatever they want. Guys like us. This was bullshit. He's bullshit and Peter. He's taking care of himself and his family at the risk of literally hurting anyone and everyone. He does not give a fuck. He kills somebody. He doesn't care. The only reason he was saying this was so that he could kill Peter. Yeah, he's trying to delay him anyway. Did he say he was trying to get his wig suit up or whatever? Power it up? Yeah, he was just waiting for it to get ready to go. God, man. Like, you have to ignore so much to make your point about this. It's so unfair. But you don't really have to. It's just he's trusting in people to not remember. Just throw in the line. And of course, he is incorrect. Tony, because he's talking about Tony. Tony does care about, like, individuals on the ground level. That's why he's a hero. That's why a civil war fucking happens. It knocks him into gear. The story about that specific guy. He was like, all right, enough is enough. And that's all why Vulture's the villain. He's wrong. Is this, like, just, like, like, lens poisoning, or is he, like, fucking... Do you think he's a liar at this point? Like, I'm not sure. No, I think it's a matter of that there's, like, a worldview that's informed media. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Lens, lens poisoning. Well, people call it brain wrong. Like, I don't think he's... Yeah. He's too brain wrong. It may well be that he knows that there are references that are not good for his argument, so he needs to get by them as quickly as possible as we've seen here or ignore them. But I imagine that he does have the view that Marvel movies are ultimately part of defending the status quo of the world. Yeah. That that is, like, his earnest view. That's what I'm getting, the divide I'm getting is, like, he's just, he's using this as a vehicle to get his stupid politics across, but he's just manipulating all the scenes and... Yeah, that's how I... Well, yeah, I was gonna say he's off. This is the content. This is the content. This is the mind behind feminist frequency. Yes. To make sure everyone understands that. Was he in your TFA video in terms of, like, he was, like, misinterpreting, like, so I was asking at the beginning, if he was the one who was trying to save Finn, it was, like, a cowardly assist in that just to, like, make it all about, like... The problem is this is so many years ago that he might very well be, but there's so many people we've covered who've had wacky opinions on everything. I mean, am I incorrect in saying that Jonathan McIntosh take being so overtly political when it doesn't need to be is, like, there's a meme for it. It's called going full McIntosh. Yes. You never go full McIntosh. That is an old internet meme that... That's an old meme, yeah. To be honest with you, anyone's keeping it alive, probably, but covering his videos. The art analysis part of the TFA part one, he was referenced. Now I remember him. Jonathan McIntosh, there we go. He is very wacky. As you've seen illustrated very well in this. Yeah. Fucking weirdo, man. We build the roads and we fight all their wars and they don't care about us. Pretty... Do you think that this is a very honest view considering the primary person he takes issue with is Tony Stark, someone who is actively doing social programs to help the world and nearly died saving the world? Mm-hmm. And then, you know, it doesn't care about us. Specifically his mentoring, Peter. Well, yeah. But do you think that's supposed to act as the villain is incorrect in this film? Yeah, he has his view of these people. That isn't necessarily... Volker certainly doesn't give a fuck about, you know, us is what he's referring to. He don't care about Peter. No. Or any of the people that he needs to hurt in order to do what he's doing. He's happy for Peter to be dead after this scene. Yeah, he's a bad guy. Bad guy. Great villain. Bad guy. Yes. We have to pick up after him. We have to eat their table scraps. When we take a look through the pantheon of Marvel supervillains and evil masterminds, we immediately notice that nearly all of them strive to disrupt or destroy the status quo in some way. Why is that a revelation to you? Yeah, generally, the villain is going to be... The villain creates the conflict, typically, yes. They want something that is not something they typically have access to that's brand and doesn't belong to them. Or the hero creates the conflict every day by not starting the revolution against the capitalist... Right. That's a really good point. In short, they seek structural change. You can't... I hate this. He must acknowledge what things they're seeking. He has to. Kayceelius is one of the worst villains at all, the MCU. He's a fucking nutcase. If you're about to acknowledge that all of their ideas entail much death and suffering... Now, granted, it's mostly bad authoritarian change. It's not about that. It's not about the authoritarian aspect. The things they want are so fucking nuts that they don't even understand that it's going to cause everyone to die. It's not the authoritarian angle because he just wants the heroes to be authoritarians of a certain kind. Letting Dolmamo eat all of our universe that's pretty authoritarian. It's like... You just want the heroes to be authoritarians in your favor. He just needs to use his stupid words, his political fucking phrases. It doesn't apply to these movies. We're talking about fucking interdimensional creatures here. Like a dragon that eats souls. You know? You know? In the hot deep, for example, the dragons are part of the politics of the world building, but they are just fucking, you know, neutral creatures. They'll give a fuck. That's the phrase I'm looking for. It's very fun to explore. I like them looked at as medieval nukes. Yeah. They're the nukes of their day. That's the way of looking at it. But that's why it works, keeping it that way. But they are the only ones who seem to show any interest in fundamentally transforming the way the world works. Not true. This is... But putting him red skull as you image here. Dude. Can you even make the meme anymore? You'd be like, yeah, Hitler wanted change too. This character practically is Hitler. He's worse. What are we supposed to do with this? He wants change. Yeah, he does. What kind of change? The kind of change that's really, really, really, really, really bad. Feels like it's worth pointing out. It's part of your analysis about the defending of the status quo against villainy. Yes, they do defend the status quo against worse alternatives. Like Hydra. My technology could change the world. We wanted to change the world. Why are you even... It's so funny to play these, it's like tricking people. So when the Nazi crazy hitler wants to do it, he wants to kill everybody, right? So we can fucking ignore that. Wanda, like this example here, I can't even remember the context for this exactly. Here in Patreon, why she joined up with all the... I would argue the more interesting change of the world with Mysterio is that all of that is for himself. It's to make himself more powerful, more loved, more adored. Exactly. Not for any, like, again, it's totally cynical. Three completely different contexts, but he'll just throw it in real quick and nobody remembers. They want to change the world. They want to change the status quo, man. They want to get rid of capitalism. The villain's motivations can range from personal revenge to writing social wrongs. He wants to show gore. He wants to kill all the good as guardian gods. He wants to indiscriminately erase gods as a concept. How is that good social change? Like, what the fuck? It seems to be most... You just lied to us, man. You're a crazy person. He wants to make atheism the correct position, yeah. They'll be no gods to believe in. Yeah, exactly. They have them slaughtered. Yeah. Otherwise, you don't have to do anything. This really does allow people not having seen the movie, which, to be fair, all of them thought how many people have even seen it. From personal revenge to writing social wrongs to good old-fashioned greed. But for our purposes here, we're more concerned with their nefarious plans and schemes. Which vary in scope and scale depending on the power level of the villain. Yeah, you should hate Yellowjacket. The lower tier... This guy, I like this man. Sam Rockwell. How can you not like him? You like Sam Rockwell. Revolutionized one institution. Like the military-industrial complex. Long more going on than just that, my good man. But all right. Others may want to take down the biggest corporation on the planet and its billionaire CEO. No, he wants to take down the man who stole his dad's ideas. Yeah, he wants to kill Tony Stark, specifically. He's not trying to take down the greedy capitalist stock industries. He just wants to kill Tony Stark. Stop fucking changing all of the stories to match your own narrative. It's stupid. The more visionary villains, meanwhile, might aim to remake a whole city. Oh, yes! Kingpin who subverted the entire institutions of all of New York. That's what he wants the heroes to do. He wants them to subvert all of them. He wants them to change all of them. He had the politicians and the cops and everything. That's pretty ambitious of Kingpin, ain't it? Yeah, it's creative. Also, this is not... Wait, what's the dates? No, that's accurate. Okay, fine. I wanted to make this city something better than it is. Or the whole world. Or the entire universe. I was about to say, yeah, that's right, that movie. It's so funny because he's saying all of this like it's useful information. At this point, he's gotten so broad, it's, the villains want to change stuff. All right, man. Yeah, I'm like, no, Iron Man wanted to change stuff by creating an Iron Man suit. That's changing stuff. Someone wants to change stuff when they're hungry and they make a cereal. Captain America wants to change the fact that the world is currently making it so that there's no war anymore and less death. He wants to change the world from being in a state of war to no war. Yeah, he wants the status quo. Are you trying? This video's correct. In general, the bigger the villain, the bigger the transformational change they're seeking to implement. The expansion. What, you mean turning the entire universe into himself? Yes. I guess what's kind of funny about that is that arguably the bigger changes are actually smaller in size than ego, but whatever, I'm not going to get that pedantic. Sure, yeah. It is my purpose. The drive to rebel against or tear down the current world order is one of the reasons why audiences find supervillains so compelling. Compelling? No, it's usually always their motive. It's never quite the actual idea. Like, being like, I want to make the world a better place and they're a villain, I'm like, well, what's the mechanics of it then? I'm not really interested. If they said I want to kill everyone, that's not even interesting or bad or good or whatever until I know what's behind it. The idea that they want to change the world is what makes them interesting. It's usually the why and how. Yeah. Let's be honest, as he's been broadifying all of the fucking villains, we could just do that. What's the difference between a vulture and an Obadiah stain? I mean, there are tons, actually. But maybe you could broaden them both out to benefiting themselves, you know? I find this interesting when you think about something like Star Wars, the good guys are the ones who are trying to change the status quo and the bad guys are the defenders of the status quo. So how would he apply this to, like, what? One of the reasons why people find Darth Vader so interesting is that he wants to change the world. No, he doesn't. He already got what he wants, you know? He wants to preserve the status quo. He's trying to maintain the current world order, exactly. And he needs to address why we find the heroes so interesting if they're only defending the status quo. Exactly. Why do people like Iron Man or Spider-Man or Captain America? Why do they like these heroes? Why do they like these heroes considerably more than most of these villains that you're pointing out? Well, and why do people tend to... They're trying to change the status quo, but nobody really likes or remembers a lot of them. It's funny, he's got fucking Aldrich Killian on screen for representative of why people like the villains and the lame villains in the MCU that no one likes. It's one of the biggest complaints about the MCU is that they don't have good villains for the most part. They're so notable when they're good. We haven't highlighted yet, but this video has been pretty fantastic at having visuals that directly contradict in the most effective way the point he's making. Yeah, it's almost impressive. At least initially. To build a really better world sometimes means having to tear the old one down. Graber cites Russian anarchist, Mikhail Bakunin. By the way, I just want to make sure we all understand that Robert Redford's character was fucking nuts. Yes, he was. His plan was crazy. He was like the crazy Hydra leader, man, guy. Yeah, pretty much. That plan was to destroy the American northeast, basically. Yeah, but Project Insight was absolutely insane. It was crazy. You shoot guns over the curvature of the earth to hit people on the other side of the planet because they were too... not what he wanted. Yes, they didn't pass the algorithm test. 1842 wrote that the passion for destruction is a creative passion too. By which he meant that the urge to destroy an unjust order necessarily involves a process of trying to imagine alternatives. Do you remember when he said earlier in the video that when heroes react to a bad guy and destroy them, that that's not the same as building something? And now he's saying that when the villains want to destroy the old world, they're not them trying to create a new world that's better. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. It seems like someone's got a bias. How do you do that? That's just some tricksy shit right there. I mean, it's been 12 minutes between those two points, but I haven't forgotten. To the status quo, viewers are especially drawn to what I call... Thanos has no plan for rebuilding. He just wants to get rid of him. Yeah. The idea that a lot of these villains actually have a plan for the new world that they would want. In a lot of these cases, it's not really the case. With Caecilius, it's just, whoa, you just get the dark dimension and then that's it, Gigi. He hasn't built anything. Thanos just wants to get rid of half of people. He's not building anything. And then of course, a lot of the time, it's like we're built off of things other people have created. He's not stealing something that other people have created rather than actually building something totally different. Well, hopefully Loki will redistribute the wealth once he's gotten it. I mean, you know, Obert Eistain wasn't planning on... He just wanted to take Stark industries. He didn't want to build or really destroy anything. He just wanted to kill Tony Stark and then build his own Iron Man shit. Called Pseudo-Social Justice. But unfortunately, Tony Stark built it in a cave with a box of scraps Do you just call Thanos a Pseudo-Social Justice for you? Why, all of us? You are especially drawn to what I call Pseudo-Social Justice villains. Oh, God. How is it social justice when you're trying to make sure everyone doesn't die? Well, that's justice for a society broadly. Yeah. Oh. If your plan is to kill half of them, then... Yeah. Not enough to go around. These are antagonists whose stated goals revolve around trying to end some kind of social problem. I can't even remember what the fuck Ethan Hawke's motivation was in Moon Knight. That's Moon Knight. Oh, what the fuck? Anybody? Do you remember what his thing was? I don't. I watched the first three episodes and then I was like, I can't. I don't remember what the fuck he was doing. I just remember he gets possessed at the end. I didn't even know he was in it. Let me see. He becomes... Oh. What was Ethan Hawke's motivation in Moon Knight? Oh, shit. He wanted to bring back the goddess, right? Yeah, but why? Yes, but I can't remember why. Because he really liked her? Oh, because it was all about everyone needs to be judged to make the... Yeah, something like that. Everyone needs to be judged She judged everybody bad and he was like, yeah, but we all need to be judged anyway or something. She was like a bitch. Isn't that the opposite of Gora's plan? Oh, whatever. I can't keep track of all this. But apparently he has. I'm sure that Ethan Hawke was gutting to destroy capitalism. That's what walking among us means. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the figuratively walking among us. Yeah, if you say that God's walk among us, like... You do mean literally. Yeah, they're in cars. They don't figuratively walk among us. Weird. ...of unchecked power. So, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Unchecked power. So perfect. Throw a banana at him. Fuck you. But they are also cruel or at best indifferent... No, some of them are sometimes cruel. Some of them are and then Gora decided that it would be better to indiscriminately kill all of them. Instead of just the bad ones. Yeah. This is what I mean. Thor Love and Thunder specifically identifies that he's killing good gods that help people. Yes God's being good It's why that's why we think this guy is lying or not cuz I feel like this is one of those ones I don't know this even with your political bias cuz they make it explicit Opening scene. That's why I mean you can't underestimate how blinded these people get I guess like yeah I feel like this is this is the one is it kind of making me question it like how do you miss this like you're twisting it That's just lying right he sounds smart. So he must be right kind of like reaction that he's hoping for well Sure, but he's saying like is he lying when he's making the script? I Understand what you mean in terms of the idea that twisting is like it might be you sort of like on the heels of that Was a video in which he was basically lying about Finn You just like that's not what happened in the fucking scene People that take representing the scenes as they happen relatively seriously, I'd say he might not be he might be like It doesn't fucking matter if I miss a few details or if I say something is X when it's why I'm making a point It's funny. It's a funny attitude to have as a pop culture detective, you know Yeah, I'll be that interested in whether you get all the facts, right? Well, that's the thing It's like he's not analyzing what happens in the movies. He's going by by his vibe Whatever interpretation he can apply to the scene to fit a narrative that he whatever he felt while watching the movie He's talking about that and how it affects his political views. I guess That seems to be what's happening But the suffering of the people they reign over Sacrificed in the name of a good. Yeah, okay, maybe he's not that great. Yeah, but he's a bad guy This is was is so weird to be like see Thor highlighting that he's not a good God to prove that God's a bad It's like you mean the God Morally judging the other God Yeah The tyrannical status quo that gore the God butcher challenges and attempts to overthrow in Thor Love and thunder the only ones who God's care about Is themselves which he was wrong about he was wrong His plan literally lied on the God's saving innocent people Remember when he tried to kill the little children No, is he about to talk about the Falcon with soldier and Collie Morgan now and their flag smashes awful villain The goal of the flag smashers in Falcon and the winter soldier is to redistribute food and medicine to refugees Please don't please stop. Oh, okay. Oh, is that it? You have a responsibility to represent this fairly, okay? Let's see if you can do it is prevent the reestablishment of national borders and stop mass deportations after the blip How many times we have to pay with our lives just to be citizens of this goddamn planet? Oh He's not gonna know Yeah, this is almost like a fucking responsibility thing It's like so for those who didn't watch the show or don't care or don't remember She was a fucking monster who would destroy burn and blow up things in order to make her point And of course highlighting all of the issues with destroying national borders It's just not something she cares about as far as she's concerned less borders the better Just everything That the world was better during the snap the world was better when there's less people There's some like basic logistic explanations for why she's a fucking idiot, too Like if you have a giant Let's just say a giant building that's got that that's a and they're sending things to BC DE and then all of those big Buildings send it to their sub AA BB CC all that stuff. She's like we're gonna intercept the supply chain from a to AA Take it all kill the people there blow some stuff up and then basically like sort of distribute that vaguely to some people in our town that we like You know, okay, so do you understand that you've destroyed that chain? You've undermined the entire system. You've made people scared of terrorism You're gonna have to spend resources and stopping you from doing that again and in favor of what? Highlighting that the world isn't perfect Of course it fucking isn't all the senators at the end of that show is why it's so badly done They're trying to explain. They're doing what they can We don't know how to fix the entire world and all of its problems after the blip you got us Unprecedented issue to happen to this, you know what would help if you didn't just blow up innocent people that would help Yeah, and then Falcon is like don't call her a terrorist. She's only destroying buildings and killing people in the name of her own political gain Yeah, yeah, don't call her that still makes you a terrorist. What is he gonna say about Killmonger? I'm just terrified as what he's gonna say it's gonna piss me off. I know it in black panther Killmonger hopes to use Wakanda's Vibranium technology to free African people from colonial oppression all across the globe black folks started revolutions I don't even know what that means like Where what colonies are we talking about here? I feel like you're a century or so too late Well, I mean I like how in you instead of using the terminology if he's gonna invade a bunch of countries Yeah, we'll be more specific. He's gonna plant dormalage in other agents in place to just execute Like significant leaders remember. It's like the black widows. What about the event? Yeah Children choking old ladies and he's still supposed to be praises, but he's not gonna play that part because that would make it all Awkward I wouldn't be surprised if he was and he was gonna say like they had to include this to make him seem insane Even though it completely in is in line with his plan Which is to obliterate the status quo of every country's politics, which is to kill all of their leaders and their interests I Because especially when you fucking assassinate them you might just galvanize the entire country to thinking they were right with this foreign fucking Invader kills all of our leaders If you're like in America and then you go and feel like a leader and you kill a bunch of American soldiers in the process What do you think the American public's gonna think of you? I just can't imagine what he was thinking in terms of what the Avengers would do right? That's the big problem. What do you think's gonna happen kill longer? Just gonna let this happen and then he'd be like RC because the avengers is the defenders of neoliberalism across the globe Yeah, just let me kill all world leaders. Just let me do that. I'm the right way Killmonger is doing this for the right race Okay, his race. I mean he they try to avoid saying race in the movie race as people who look like us That's what he says. Yeah, it's right. It's a bit awkward Africans are one. It's just one race. It's just one race of people The second largest continent in the world with a vast array of different Countries and religions and culture still to this day embroiled in horrific civil wars and border disputes based off of this group and that group and Oh, but they're all the same color. All right, the excellent commentary. Good job Great. Let him kill everybody for fuck's sake. Okay. Yeah, maybe you went a bit too far with the kids But other than the kids he could have killed everybody would have been fine They never had the firepower or the resources to fight their oppressors No, that ends today as a viewer You may have even caught yourself nodding along to the villains big laugh my fucking ass I would fucking cut my dick off if I did monologue But just before you're one over to their cause they suddenly decide to murder a whole bunch of people We'll see you out there. You can you can point out this is completely random But it does go in line with the characters that are portrayed somewhat like I said with Killmonger This is in line with his plan killing the the families of the political leaders and well any anyone who's related to them that could possibly Go in power in the form of Monarchies and non just just all all forms of power everywhere get rid of all the systems Isn't this in fucking Bioshock infinite the Vox popular kill think and his son I don't think feminist frequency. We're a big fan Yeah, that was a big fight in Bioshock infinite. Yeah, sorry, but the thing is a lot of Yeah, psycho revolutionaries will often wipe out a family line. That's something they will often do Population to being written in that way that that was bad on the Ken Levine's part Yeah, okay. I mean I got my issues because both of them. It was terrible Yeah Even when it makes no sense for that character We're not even to talk about what makes and doesn't make sense. Oh, you don't give a shit Yeah, you don't give a shit about what makes sense It's deduced what Carly Morgan down's Sensible and nonsensical I guess every single thing I would cite to support that this is the kind of character She is he would say also doesn't make sense like remember who asked is toward Falcon She just keeps trying to kill him over and over and over again. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and then she killed Having the villains methods always involve indiscriminate killing. I'm sorry Well, how was Ultron gonna enact his plan of wiping out humanity without wiping out humanity? This is not an element of his plan that doesn't match planets My god, he's a deliberate decision by the writers You said we would destroy the Avengers Oh my god, the way this is framed that means that he was like see he was a good guy What he was gonna kill all of the superheroes, but he's a bad guy when he goes too far destroys the world Fighting for the status quo they needed to die Jonathan you need to think before you write He might be One that's designed to make extra sure the audience doesn't end up identifying with the bad guys For their revolution you identified with these people right before they killed a person That's pretty fucked up my dude. You have you have to have some serious Introspection there. You got to fight some demons. Well, sorry vulture isn't trying to create a revolution He is stealing from people to benefit himself He's a greedy capitalist dog Yeah, you could argue he's a worst capitalist because he's not played by the fucking rules Yeah, he's killing people like it worst capitalism. He's a he's a more demonic capitalist Whatever man, like these are all the good guys. They just had those one the scenes that threw him off. That was it In post struggle and hardship, you know what this is This this came from is that they tried to argue these people were good And then people online were like what about the part where they kill the babies and they're like Yeah Yeah, it's like fucking whatever they kill a few babies. Wow, okay, you mean they kill Make the world a better place to destroy the status quo It's the avengers fault because that's the only language they understood. Can that nebula ad come soon Give me the nebula ad Come on label does us criminals for pushing back. You are criminals Yeah, you kill people steal people supplies to feed the people you think should be fed. That's all you do You're an idiot naive fuck it You almost destroyed everything and then the one hero who fucking fights about you try to kill What what does he think about the scene where John Walker is trying to set the politicians and then colleague just actively tries to stop him He'd be like this is a good scene to represent fascism John Walker is trying to save people who represent a fascist regime And Carly is trying to enact change It's just brain rot you've gone way too far Lee is not a terrorist however you just sit back down Maybe unread some books Some books Yeah, you need to have a long shower and just like contemplate your demons But the struggle is what brings us all together people who have nothing in common For we are I don't know why they wanted to make this actress happen. She's never been good in anything. I've seen her I think she's disappeared now, right? I haven't seen her in a while. I think so. She was in willow She was in shoes. She was young solo willow doesn't exist anymore or at least the show According to my computer it does but I think every time she's done like I don't know According to Disney plus it doesn't exist. I don't need to Disney plus it doesn't I I would normally say how sad but well The world needs to know this is like covering up a horrific genocide or something you can't just do that You can't just kill art like that and then hide it. Yeah No The underlying message that emerges from this pattern is as inescapable as it is pernicious It's the Libs. We are being told that any attempt to fundamentally transform society is not only dangerous Of course, it's dangerous Yeah, you never know Like he's so fucking wrong it actually is starting to get painful black panther is a film is about how T'Challa Decides that he is understood from Killmonger that change needs to happen and inax it the correct way by the end of the film Yeah, but yeah, but then then pop culture detective here would say it's not far enough What doesn't like that? That's that's the whole thing all of the characters and all these movies have enacted change The world changes gradually piece by piece For some reason like that instead of highlighting The the writing isn't reflecting how much the world should have changed by now with the interest from the characters and the technology available Especially fucking time travel instead of highlighting that he's instead going for you see the Libs So I want you to think that I don't kind of change my head Like that's what it actually is It almost sounds like he's writing this from summaries of the movies and not the movies themselves I'm almost saying he's seen them but consumed them at the level of his analysis Yeah, he went in with a very clear political agenda. This is this is ever like I would argue This is what we have to avoid as well when you watch a film instead of just seeing what you See the world to be in the first place you try and take it for what it is instead avoid those biases like landmines Yeah, this is an excellent example of what happens if you fail at being critical and you let your biases take over Textbook I would say like I said This is the best film to represent how wrong he is and here it is as is visual evil The equating of social justice causes with outright villainy Is one of the reasons why the super it's not even that the films will say they went way too far They overcompensated Uh, if ever it thinks it has they have a valid point, you know, which sometimes they don't sometimes they're lying Sometimes their point is insane exactly Superhero genre is often accused of leaning conservative ideologically Is it Hey, here we go All right, okay, jc-dc a particularly conservative rock band from australia Sometimes I wonder how much the left would just submit to the right is like, you know what? Iron man, it's more of a conservative thing. The conservatives will be more than happy to take him. They'll be like, sure Yeah, I was but whatever fine if that's his point of view Humanity saved if it's not around to evolve He's referring to killing everyone Like how are you doing this? Ultron wanted to destroy the planet Yeah, he cut out. He actually cut out the line Because oh well the avengers extinction. That's what he says and then fucking that's when Thor throws it at him He's bullshit. This is just a liar I don't I don't think he's a little liar, dude Brain rot is just not enough is what i'm saying from like I can't put a four minute mark or whatever it is I just this guy This is lies, man Oh poor ultron. I wish he didn't perish because he was the hero As graver notes of superheroes, they remain defenders of legal and political order Which however faulty or degraded must be defended because the only alternative Is so much work not the only alternative, but the current presented one by the villain at the time I mean, yeah, if we have reasonable villains talking about Is batman a defender of the legal and political order than when what he is doing is vigil tantyism That's what we haven't done devil is an explicit rejection of the legal system Yeah, if he it's one of the things to explore with that devil if he believed in the legal system Why would he go out at night dressed like a devil this woman? This is so This is so narrow minded. It's so specifically Focused on proving a point that he wants to make it's got no interest in representing these films And these are all from fucking references. We don't even like a lot of the time anyway I'm gonna apply to some of the most popular characters that you can reference in your head in two seconds Like they're definitely sad. It's just like why how could you like? You're depending on your audience to be completely brain dead graver's graver's Like it's about batman. Like he's he's flat out of vigilante. They can please chase him in a lot Literally anti-mall You know political order, you know easily go with iron man He's in those court cases because they're like you can't you can't privatize the fucking like the kind of weapons you have And he's like, yeah, try to stop me, bitch Yeah, and civil war they they got told this is the new legal order and cap said now I'm not doing that And then like I said the only alternative the language there is like no It's the presented one at the time. He's gonna want to fight against fucking razzle ghoul's goal to blow up goth Of course they will he's gonna defend against jokers. Just just doing crazy shit for shits and giggles What a what a nutcase batman must be to do that Of course, what a lib. Trust me Well, what if what if you had a marvel movie where in the political system You had a candidate that the superheroes didn't like But he got elected and he got put in power in whatever branch or in whatever position And that and then they lived under a political system. They probably maybe didn't like but You know, they stopped to defend people. They stopped to defend the earth They're still gonna save innocent people even if they're not too keen on the You know the president or whoever the opening of x-men 2 right night crawler is Well, he's mind-controlled into attack of the president and the knife says Mutant's freedom now or something like that, right? I can't remember Mutant freedom now. Yeah, and so like the obviously the implication being of What the power of a superhero can be they can get to the oval office and knock out all the security? That seems pretty fucking cool. And it still is to this day the Nature of that is something that this fucking idiot is advocating for essentially like you need to make some Significant difference in this world you need to change it up Even have a press conference in the first x-men we're discussing the abilities and like yeah, of course x-men covers this all the time Like how we and it's all with push and pull you have to work together You can't just inflict your fucking interests on everyone else Exactly they covered this years ago in the movies and the cartoons. I'd argue even so just watching this guys Be so simplistic and it's my 24. It's like Burning my brain Every time something gets better for one group It's worse for another a genius Uh, not even true, but okay Is it you know what I buy like fucking a six pack of donuts and I provide five to my five friends like yeah, but you've lost now You have five less donuts. I'm like that's okay Five groups, uh got better as one group didn't According to the ideology of marvel then the status quo is the best we can hope for no Not when heroes are actively changing the world for the better How do you have age of ultra on screen with the whole fucking point of that movie is looking to the future and how do we make it better? Damn the world But trying to change it Will only lead to catastrophe Um But this was successful change from Thanos that annihilated everyone That's it. Yeah, like why why are we treating killing fat like killing millions of millions and trillions of people as we like Well, it's a change. It's a change It's a different idea. It shakes things up, you know, spice a life This you know, there's this guy a over there He's gonna build a big old bridge between two places that have hoped to have trade. Like that's what idea What's your idea Thanos kill half of life? That's one idea. What about you? It's like i'm gonna open a stall that sells vegetables He's like all three of you. I hope you really have good luck in changing the world That's one of you is endlessly creative One one of you's really gonna change the status quo. And you know what? I hope it works out Legendary comics writer Alan Moore has criticized the rise of superhero blockbusters. Listen before you pull out any quote from him He says a lot of crazy shit A lot of things Saying the trend speaks to a denial of reality and an urge Let's see uh, uh, they seem to speak to some kind of longing to escape from the complexities of the modern world to go back to a nostalgic Remembered childhood that seemed dangerous. It was infantilizing the population This may be entirely coincidence But in 2016 when the american people elected a national socialist satsuma and the uk voted to leave the european union Six of the top 12 highest grossing films were superhero movies Not to say one causes the other but I think they're both symptoms of the same thing A denial of reality and an urge for simplistic and sensational solutions Can you see how the america civil war caused brexit? Why wouldn't that be applicable to all? action films Yeah, why superhero movies even why couldn't it just because like a lot of them because they were pretty popular at that time I mean Around that time so I mean like 2016 wasn't the only year that uh, they had hyper success superhero movies, right? No, that's right. Yeah Like I don't this just seems like he says not to say that one causes the other It's like I hope you wouldn't because that would be really silly insanely stupid. What a worthless quote Yeah, there's nothing to work with here. Um, and to be like what about 2017? 2020 is it simplistic in civil war? Is that what we call a simplistic solutions doesn't even fucking get solved by the end Urge for simplistic and sensational solutions And he's right. Oh, well, of course if you agree with it you said that you said batman should be robin hood You also said batman works within the law He's like the poster child for being a vigilante superhero Most of the pressing issues facing our society today Can not be solved by finding a few bad individuals And punching them in the face. Yeah, lucky the mc wasn't making that fucking point. Is it? Why are we doing this? What's the point of this? Like, uh, why is anybody even come on? I'm on nebula nebula As cathartic as that fantasy might be There you go video for a moment And talk about how social change is actually accomplished here in the real world violence a violence We shall bold the challenge of status quo And on social change non-violence when people proactively organize themselves into mass movements That then agitate and disrupt the status quo. What is that? So what is that going to look like in would it be like the idea of 20 stocks? Like a civil right. I managed to go to protests and you have to organize. I don't know fucking door knocks But only for the right causes only for the right causes I don't know the fuck, uh But in the world of the mcu with these films, that's what we were talking about earlier It's like what what are you envisioning? Why would they make the film this? They can barely make money now as it is They can barely make money with the films that are like the good guy fights the bad guy Which is one of the most like just normal sort of archetypal narrative structures. It feels like that Yeah, how if there was if we just said, you know the heroes, they're actually horrific totalitarian villains But at least they're fighting for socialism. I don't make a bunch of money you know the wojak bell curve image Feels to me like the starting figure is just I like You know or rather it would be about analysis of why these movies are this way And I guess the brain dead caveman sort of position is the explosions. I like the fights Yeah, when they fly around No, I was gonna go with it's not like a hero's fight villains Not necessarily the um the can I get this on fucking green for people? He's downloading. Why? Hang on The like I could just fucking you wouldn't you'd be surprised the amount of times a light shot has solved my problems A light shot is a must-have got to have a light shot. Yeah, that's a easy recommendation for everyone has an extension Anyway, I love this image because it applies to so much of thinking in real life So the point of this is you come to position a as an idiot And then you realize when you're getting smarter and across the board like it's actually position b But then when you get super smart you go back to position a um The caveman position of analysis of why this all happens and why it works this way is just They're making really cool and awesome movies that match, you know, the basic understanding of what things are good And then when good fight evil The developed one is like Actually, they advocate for bad positions and the people don't even realize and they're tricking you and the it's the libs And you got to stop them That's why he's got tears because he's representative of this video And then you go all the way back over to dude. I think they're just appealing to people who like explosions really They really are It's it's nothing you need to worry about you don't need to go nuts. I'm looking at that guy down there We said that perfectly These pictures are perfect It's a great meme. It's a really really really good meme. I like it. He's a better alien than anything It was an acolyte trailer that guy in the left. I like the guy on the left. He's chilled honest Buddy, he's yeah exactly and he's not pretentious. God damn it. He knows what he is The middle guy is just making shit up based on his misunderstandings He is crying, right? He is perpetually in tears This is mouth looks like that all the time. This is the supplementary meme graph that goes along with the what what is the Well, what's the phenomenon where people start off And they in in in some thing and they don't actually know a lot about it and they feel like they don't know a lot about it But once they start to get a bit of knowledge in it. Oh, it's done in Kruger. Yeah, this is the supplementary graph to Dunning Kruger. Yes Uh, it is kind of supplementary. Um Yes, kind of yes. I see what you mean The people at either ends of the spectrum of knowledge have a pretty accurate grasp of how much they know But people kind of in the middle ish to lowest middle ish They have they overvalue how much they know in that field typically Oh, I thought uh, I thought the Dunning Kruger was like pretty early on is when you are very confident And then it eventually hits like a pit in the middle when you're actually starting to get good And then how much you don't understand this something. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much that and then and then How much it gets quite as high as when you were high for confident at the beginning You'd never quite as confident as you were at the start It would be I assume what rides going forward is this representative of if you look at these three images the Nature of their expressions right first guy's like I'm smart. I got this when you when you absolutely doesn't Second guy. Oh god. I haven't got this. This is all horrible. This was that and then third guy like I'm a piece I had to stab what I know I've done my studies. I know what I'm talking about Oh, it's such a good meme. I love it. I love the faces The subtle difference between guy one smile and guy number three smile Just the gentle the tiny tiny change in that curve I think someone Oh gosh, what was it? There was a hell divers meme someone made with this I think it was with uh, everybody talking about the the like starship troopers political commentary Was that I know it wasn't any that I think it was just like the disposable rockets Were on the left and the right and the rail gun was in the middle, right You start off the game knowing nothing with your little disposable rockets and then in the middle You try all the new things and stuff and then at the end of the day You go get back to the old reliable get all disposable eat 17s how it goes Yeah, that's the plasma pistol in dead space Oh god, yeah, the plasma code was fucking balls But if we have to fight again, it'll be to take these steps These movements apply pressure and raise social costs until the powers that be have no choice But to get into the how political movements work. Yeah, this point. Yeah, but Marvel movies the formatting of this is irrelevant compared to What causes need to be addressed this way in the marvel universe which to be honest with you You don't even have a footing to actually address because nobody knows what the fuck's going on in that world anymore Well, and also, how does he think these protests would change if one of these people had superpowers? I give a lot more bloody especially nowadays. You see a lot of violent protesting public's demands or be replaced This is how transformational social progress has always been made How's that of the other ways you believe you believe that the marvel movies aren't arguing in favor of social progress So why would they put this in there? I get is this point that this would have been in here if they were making a genuine effort and that's what I can tell I feel like that a point would to make of this as a point would be if you took a story That was advocating for social change, but it presented it in a way that's just not realistic or useful Well, you know like can you rack your brain? Have we ever seen this in the mcu? What protest something that could at least be considered akin to this in any way Yes, we have we have a couple of times the one that comes to mind first is an age of Ultron with The Maximoff that's where they're both first But it's like they're protesting And then you have it, uh, isn't it the the Ultron bots they get shit thrown at them when they're trying to control the crowd from protesting So yes, I just I just find it amusing because I'm assuming he's not going to reference that at all himself It would be on brand as Frederick Douglass famously remarked power concedes nothing without a demand That's literally not true Power concedes nothing without a demand. Yeah, I don't agree with that Yeah, I mean that's the the first our first president literally did that. He's like nope two terms is good Break it out folks. It's a matter of favor or not. That's a good example actually. Yeah Well, whatever you come across a quote that's bullshit You just be like well, I prefer a more famous quote of quotes are stupid Wasn't it one of the amendments that got passed wasn't it like Truman's Time wasn't that when they passed to think otherwise it was just you have two terms because that's what you're supposed to do Um, I don't know when it's I don't know the year on it, but I don't think it's a special policy until I'm not sure until I think Truman. I think so Anyway, when did two terms become law? It looks like it was in 1947. It was passed by congress ratified in the states on february 27th. Yeah, that was for administration Yeah, I was trimming 22nd amendment limits an elected president to two terms in office a total of eight years Is this guy wrapping up with his politics shit or is this I think That fact presents something of a oh wait. This is the protest thing. Let's see what he's saying about this Why doesn't this count nothing without a demand That fact presents something of a problem for the mcu because there is no public to speak There is no public to speak of you're showing them. Yes, there is What do you think civil war is if not a demand that the avengers have oversight What then some of the avengers didn't agree with that for reference people like he's got like two minutes to Because I'm assuming there's an hat in here. So the he's got to explain this like he's got barely any time There are only innocent victims unruly mobs I'm sorry unruly mob So when you say the public What what is the public like you like well, where do you see people they're just victims they're not the public Stand together if the governments of a whole bunch of democracies present some sort of solution That's not the public. That doesn't represent the public. That's fascinating Well, remember every elected official is an expression of the public's will just because you don't have a mob in the streets You're right of all those people in power. They essentially were all voted there It's not like a mob came into the avengers headquarters and gave them the scorpio chords But it was obviously and the film's perspective the will of a good amount of the public Have you noticed though that like he does this throughout the whole fucking thing where he'll make a statement This definitive and then you'll throw in a caveat that cancels out any and all possible counter references But like in a really weak way It's like the public never raise any kind of attention to this You're like, what about all the times that they do it's like, well, yeah, but every time they do it's either a mob or a victim Yeah, every time it supports the hidden politics of marvel movies. That's insane man It's like, yeah, of course, there's no fucking proving you wrong You it's like if I said the whole world is made of cheese except when it isn't I I think he must have just conditioned his audience to be able to accept these things Like he knows he's bringing this is what they want to hear So it doesn't the facts don't really matter. He's been able to get away with this because this is like This is shockingly similar to the video I was describing of just like this is all this guy does just twist it up to Incorporate his politics And of course god-like super beings who monopolize power I mean, it's good that you showed that to model because that's true. Yeah, obviously god-like super beings How can you demand that the avengers like how can you really demand it? Like if they want to do whatever they want to do, they just will Well, you highlight me the funny part of gambler. He's like, yeah, god-like person with infinite power do what I want I know it's crazy. I thought I thought we said that they don't relinquish power because there's no actual way to get them to Stop they're they're too powerful. There's nothing. Well, how does vision relinquish his power? What does that even mean? It's so crazy because of a lot of all the comments he makes in civil war that are so introspective about the nature of his own power Why he stays out of the fight for so long There's a stunning lack of civil war clips in this uh in this video It's almost conspicuous. How few civil war clips are in this curious And if the public does not exist then what graver what they do you crazy Well An opinion on the affairs of the mcu recalls constituent power cannot exist We're then left with a situation Where a small group of powerful unelected look for you in civil war In civil war did superman talk about it and a few super women hold all the cards Why didn't he just say superheroes so this film is explicitly about how they do not hold all the cards that these This group is even having this fight because of a different group of people who hold power Mm-hmm. That's right Because one of the groups is willing to submit to that other person even though they technically don't have So fucking funny that we pretend On frame right now get arrested by non super people Because the non super people have said that what you were doing. We don't like I love how recently are with the notion that we can just reject the un and reject the world We're like, yeah, we can we can just inflict our fucking shit on all of it Like you know captain america. He's he's pretty strong But if the like the military try to stop him probably gonna Actually, mm-hmm. Yep Hi, would you mind taking a picture with us? Oh, that's not the public. That's a victim or a mob Sure the only role left for the citizens of the mcu is in deciding which powerful super being to worship Like they would in real life. What do you mean? Like I mean that would happen. It's funny using the word worship when He's been spending this whole video talking about how some of the villains are actually pretty cool though You know, I mean like you could just switch it out for appraisal or love or like or interest or appreciate Yeah, what a strong word, but yes people would appreciate in the same way that people like and respect and appreciate great figures in history or in present day Yeah, this is absolute horseshit because he's been doing the exact same thing and he's criticizing the world for doing this Mm-hmm Yeah, he's a big fan of Tony star Yeah, that's like people now that you think fans of like specific celebrities Classic neoliberal storytelling That's pretty neoliberal true. Come on. Nebula. Let's go Play the public is stripped of any power and reduced to passive fandom Yeah, except all the times they're not explicitly just I love you showing clips of a fucking Fan meetup for for superheroes. Yeah Yeah, that's pretty funny I mean the the hulk imagery just showed us that was all people appreciate him as a fucking warrior like in An alternate culture. It's not even like how can that even count? Yeah, whatever this shit A planet with a completely different Because he's a fighter. It's just like boxing at that point. Oh my god. You're so right I just People worshiping like, I don't know like the the Yankees or something. Yeah, it's like you mean people being feds of a sports team They're watching gladiators fight each other in alternate crazy culture, of course It's hulk not banner being like worshiped on earth by like, you know earth It's meant to be like it's but again He's trying to make the border point of rc The whole point of these films is to condition you into believing that you can't achieve shit Might as well bow down to your corporate monsters or something Even though ragnarok's built on the idea that hulk ran here because he was afraid of his impact on earth Exactly. I've made up one. I can freaking like two hours ago. Like no power doesn't Power doesn't step down power doesn't step down First time he's destroyed something or gone nuts based on like not his own rage I think that's interesting like in the fact that he made that choice, but this fucker is not gonna talk about that Public is stripped of any power and reduced to passive fandom. They're reduced And that means there's simply no way to achieve the kind of fundamental transformation That's necessary to turn the planet into an equitable or sustainable place to live Is he referencing that this is what that is that this this world in multiple semantics has achieved that We don't know anything about this world. No, we don't Flowers As far as we know this could be inside of a dome a massive dome outside of oh notice wasteland. Everyone's wearing gray Yeah, yeah, fuck that. Mm-hmm. I don't like that. This is the Illuminati world and the Illuminati are horrible Yeah, they're evil They're very evil Food's free in most universes actually isn't that so fucking weird though that everyone wears gray and it doesn't get addressed I didn't even by the way our world has free food. What do you fucking talk about? I was a dumb ass for every Saturday. It's like literally free It wasn't free. She stole it. Yeah. Also. She stole it. Yes. It's weird you guys have to pay for it Again, I'm not suggesting the Avengers are wrong Really? Video that what do you want? Stop It's not bad to save the planet Again, I'm not suggesting the Avengers are wrong to stop megalomaniacal conquerors Or roll back the apocalypse. You should already realize that the fact you have to clarify that Is is evidence that your script is in trouble Come on, man. This is him going over the script and realizing, you know, this is kind of Maybe I need to clarify Mass murder is not exactly right We all do real clear re-clarification lines, but it's not because your video's fucking nonsense You need to fucking like, you know, you've driven yourself to defending like killing everyone. You're like, oh The problem he's had is he's he's created a scenario Like the thesis of his video has to ignore that in all of these situations The heroes are trying to stop villains who want to kill people Generally They want to kill people either discriminately or very willing to on massive numbers for unjust causes like The massive destruction and then he has to keep acknowledging it's like, hey look It doesn't fit like these films aren't as There's the hidden polar to it's just they're just fucking movies where the heroes punch the bad guys and there's explosions They fly around and occasionally they have something a little bit more to say Obviously, that's the moral thing to do within the narrow context of these stories as they were That's right, but the context is not Yeah, if you're gonna if you're gonna admit that you have to admit everything else that comes with it All the other context you can't just be like well to be fair I guess they do have to kind of kill the mass murdering psychopath He's right now though. He's showing a scene that granted It's like it's an artificial depiction within the film but the scene that's being represented there is Steve roger is going to save a bunch of people from a like a world war two prison camp Like why is this him doing something wrong in any way? Because it's the status quo for people to not be Yeah, I guess they are right to do what they do within the narrow context that they are provided Which is still not something he's mostly acknowledged anyway There's so many parts of the context. He's not like he's just ignoring That's him admitting that this video is nonsense to me like he just you wanted to say all your political crap But then you have to add this in because it's a bunch of fucking none Is that that line was for anyone who like said wait a minute actually listen to what he had to say and thought about it I'm arguing is that the Looping story formula underpinning marvel's billion dollar media empire leaves us with a bleak all agarctic worldview I've successfully know it leaves us with a world of existential terror and dread That any day my dimension could be snuffed out and trillions would be destroyed There's directions multiversal timelines would just cease to exist Yeah, there's directions to take this that are representative of the reality of the mcu world, but he's supposed to make it political Yeah, that's funny because you'd be like is it not political where the whole world is going to get sucked into oblivion? You're like, well, I guess so It's not a policy I like but not in the way that I'm saying he is he's trying to make it about his own brand of Shit Where might make you mean the movie where he's like proven to be inadequate in that notion from the beginning to the end Yeah, that's right. And also it's like really early on in his major arc practically fighting himself by the time we get to civil war Well, it's a bleak worldview unless you happen to be a member of the ruling class Oh say you should need to be a member of nebula. Come on Like those who own or control media conglomerates like those who own or control nebula. Come on Unlike youtube so to fight back against youtube. Yeah for them a worldview promoting the status quo is probably quite comforting But for the rest of us when we walk into these movies We are transported to a universe where the mere idea of challenging systems of power No, I I just like I just don't want to hear your fucking dog shit politics all over my entertainment everywhere I go. I just want to go to a movie and see some fun this and some fun that I want to see a godzilla He's saying that anyone who challenges anything about any system is like beaten down and showed to be wrong She's not even true On the fact that superheroes are going beyond the conventional like law enforcement already evidence that the system itself doesn't have a way to deal with These people or creatures or whatever they are Well, how does he come to terms with the fact that Hayden or love them. That's what trump did He was like a super subversive slash crazy wild card thrown into the political system that shook up the establishment and Like half of the american parties Like he's like one would admit the doesn't approve of him the machine donald trump certainly changed the status quo But he's never gonna be in fate. That's the thing. That's what this all comes down to. It's not about changing the status quo It's changing anything doing my politics to what he wants. Yeah Because it sounds more defensible when you simply want to say like there is Uh a negative nature that's that's occurring and we need to do what we can to move past it Never naming it specifically because it's just what he wants Yeah, they're hitting politics and marvel movies defenders of the status quo is a better title than why do marvel movies not support my worldview? Yeah Working to change the working to change the world automatically makes you a villain Yeah, that's just dumb as fuck The thing that automatically makes you the villain is when you just kill him for people that Generally the binding element of all the villains in the mcu They're characters. He's just not addressing like tachaka Who are actively trying to change the world in a different way and you know, they get killed in a very tragic scene Like that's not that's not a villain. You idiot You're just talking about all the the elements the characters in the worlds They're just not you're not addressing any of the ones that are trying to help Like what about odin when he made his significant change with uh hella right like he decided To alter all of that for the better of like all the realms and stuff is like that doesn't count Like, okay You just run through all the stories find all the side characters who are doing things that aren't necessarily uh push back on that are generally good Just like we're just not going to talk about those ones. We'll only talk about people like Loki and Thanos Like yeah, those ones. They were just trying to change the world, man and kill monger I hope you enjoyed that deep dive into the meaning you got bigger Messages on the MCU now if you like these kind of long-form critical video essays Telling you man someone ought to someone ought to redistribute his uh I am man get going bud to help find the project there I've also left a link to paypal and a wish list below if you prefer you get capitalizing buddy Because people are retarded 100 funded by viewers Sylvia Yeah, and no pay So anything you can give Billy steal it. Wait, is he not on nebula very much appreciated I will see you all again very soon for another video essay this man. I'm a colonialism in modern board games We are truly the scourge of our hey, oh my god, that's perfect That's so fucking funny. God. What a fucking Colonialism in modern board not even not even all board games Play a goddamn board game without being Settlers of cotton tells you that settling is good expanding your territory Oh my god, terrible awful. What a what a shit to your video. Oh my god I got a headache. Yeah, that was pain man. Well that about wraps it up, doesn't it? I need to go take a nap before We go Jedi works. Why don't you tell everybody what you're up to when the confines? Yeah Oh, jeez. Um, it's trying to get back to slightly longer form videos. I um Been working on this mcu video for quite a while now the top five Throughout the status quo top five status quo is the mcu top five obliterated mcu characters We've gone through a lot of them like even this is definitely a good like refresh for certain things It just pissed me off all over again And um me and mark we're gonna be doing some work soon He's helped me out with the thumbnails and I'm helping out his wife with the editing You should be very funny edits. Yes. Yes. I just clip of um Her first time playing nightingale, which we ended up being entertaining and then hell riser Hell diver is with her and as and uh quarterback to it So just a few things are in there. I'm also thinking of another um channel idea. It's going to be like, um Classic cocktails and media inspired drinks. I recently took like a mixology course like studying for it But I go over the last year, but try to Certified alcoholic Yeah, no, no, no got a big ass. But yeah mark's supposed to come by for a drink I'll show I'll show you soon. Then we'll go over some ideas, but yeah, like I said You got some free time. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But yeah, that'll be up beautiful Mark the cyborg. What are you up to? I guess I'm on Sundays at 11 a.m. Eastern or I think it will be 11 a.m Again once Germany goes ahead in time because daylight savings is the worst We do a show called metals forge that I'm the co-host of and um, yeah My off time I stream video games and because this is the future I guess I don't know what I'll be playing but hell divers is a pretty safe bet Because that that's that game is a lot of fun. I feel like I will be playing it in the future. Yeah Well awesome Rax and fray anything you guys want to mention before we head off No, not right now. Nothing to say You know the deal just working having an online working on good all highlight As am I well, I hope you enjoyed this very special offline made online episode those who are listening to it on this fine saturday Whenever that saturday, maybe thank you so much for for keeping company And we shall see you on the next eFAP related thing whenever it may be bye. Bye Yeah, goodbye everybody. See you later later