 Big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica, what's going on? None, none, you know my dad? Man, hey man, I done pulled up in Houston, man, hey, I got, and I'm here with the legend, you know what I'm saying? It ain't only just legend clothing, but I'm here with the legend, man. My boy done key, hey, y'all might know him in little key key, man, but hey man, this dude is here, man. We finally made it, and I'm glad about it, man. Thank you, thank y'all for having me. Man, you wanted to do it. Big respect, big respect for the podcast. Man! Are you, you watching? You watching? L.D., don't give me no charge. Shout out to L.D. for holding it down, right? L.D. gonna make me watch it. No. He told me in the mode, gossip, didn't it, man? Anybody in the world, but that's my guy. Man, hey man, so man, just good to be here in Houston, man. I love, hey man, I love the spot, man. I'm gonna be real with you, man. I just love and appreciate you for letting us come in here and set up. Hey man, just loving the whole vibe. Just want to make sure, man, hey man, that we give you roses while we here, right? Oh, man, it's love. Man, so I know how you do it. I ain't gonna even trip. Yes, yes, yes. Boss lady. I like to take it way back. I like to fall in love with people for who they are and not really just always for their craft. So I need to know who you were before you were a little kiki. I need to know about your parents, your siblings, where you grew up. I mean, give me the whole history from as far back as you can remember. Um, little kiki is little kiki. Always been little kiki. Yeah, he's not, it's not a stage name or anything like that. It comes from my middle name. My middle name is little kiki. And I always use the reference that if my mom called on the telephone, she gonna ask to speak to kiki. Why kiki it? You know what I'm saying? So it's a family name. Who gave you that nickname? My mom. Your mom. You know what I'm saying? So it comes, like I say, it comes from my middle name. And I come from a, I wouldn't say a single parent, but I would say that my parents, it's a unique situation. My dad was an older kid. My dad had me at 50. 51 to be exact. Were you his first or last? No, I'm his last. How many kids do you have? I think I have many. How many kids do you have? My dad has, um, one, four, five, six. Six. That ain't bad. That ain't bad. I'm still trying to get to six. I'm at four. Are you still trying to get there? I'm trying to get there, man. She got to go to work. No, don't let him pull your leg. Don't let him pull your leg. He said he told me he didn't want no more. I didn't want the last two. But I just went on and took them. But I didn't want them. You came and asked for that. And now I got to take care of them. You didn't have to give it to me? Oh, I had to give it to you. I just did. That's what's up. See, my dad, like I say, he was, um, it's a unique situation. He was an older cat, you know, older than my mom. He actually lied to my mom. I told him he was a different age. He looked young. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people tell me I look young. My dad had great genes like that. And, um, and it was just so... How much younger is your mom? I'm curious. My mom had me at 28. Okay. And my dad was 50. Wow. Two. 51. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? When he met her, he told her he was 35. Yes, sir. And she went right for it. You know what I'm saying? Y'all need to check IDs. So like I say, it wasn't so much of a single parent. I wouldn't say that it was a generational gap. Yeah. Between. So my dad was, he was already past fishing and going to the park and throwing the ball. He was a little older. By the time I'm 10, he's 60. Yeah. My dad was 18. So, you know, I kind of... But he was there for a while though. He was there for a while. But, you know, we stayed in separate houses. But even then I got a great love affection for my father. So your mom had any more kids? Yeah, my sister. My mom had a, um, I also have an older sister. And, um, you know, like I say, it wasn't so much about that it was a single parent. It was just a generational gap, like I say. And around 14 or 15, you gotta understand, he's already, he's getting to that age. How does that feel growing up having an older father like that? Because I know a lot of men be like, I'm going to have my kids at whatever age. But how does that impact a child growing up knowing that your dad is that older? Well, it impacts it in a small way. Well, I wouldn't say small. It does impact it because like you say, you're not getting the same nurturing as a father that's probably 35 or, you know, the football games and going fishing and all that. It's not that he doesn't want to do. He's kind of past it. You know what I'm saying? And then you're growing up in an era where their mind thought about the, they from the era where everything is a drug. Weed, it don't matter. Everything. Yeah. Weed is like crack. They're porcelain and dope. Yeah. So once we, once I made it to the streets, I would say that like the song, I'm a Jesus kind of true. Like I made it to the street. They kind of, he kind of washed his hands of it. You know, he kind of was pushed back because they from go to work, 8, 9, 10 hours a day, graduating, get a job. I mean, go to school all day, graduating, get a job. They not from entrepreneur in these streets. They definitely don't understand the streets. So when I was talking about all this rap and all this, this was beyond him. And then like I say, he passed away when I was 19. Yeah. He probably told you that you ain't going to do nothing with no music. You know, people at the older age. He probably didn't say that. He didn't even say that. No. Okay. It wasn't even just like that. It's just like, you know, this is new, it's fresh, it's music. You know, this rap, he not into that. You know what I'm saying? What's up with a job? You need to get a job. You need to go to school, get a job. And I was kind of on early. Yeah. And I was kind of real popular at 17 or 18. I'm kind of already rolling. When did you find your love for music? I always had a love for music. 13, 14. I was a guy that used to want to memorize, run DMC and all these. I was into the every side of the game, the New York side of it, the California. DMC share. All that. Huh? Yeah. Who was the first person you heard that you're like, man, that's cold. Well, I'm going to tell you a crazy story. The next door neighbor for a long time had me thinking he was the Sugar Hill guy. Man, I was about 10 or 11 and the man done the, the hip hop to the hip, to the hip. I thought this was him. I thought it was him for years. When I finally heard it, I couldn't wait to get back. Man, you've been. Man. So I was in love from, from that, you know what I'm saying? Like, and, and this was my first introduction to rap and music and all that. And he was, and I was like, man, I'm going to school. Man, listen, man. My uncle, next door, he, this man is a rapper. He's doing this. He's doing that. So that was my first love for then. Like I say, I'm from the, from the East coast generation of rap. When I say that LL Cool J fat boys run DMC. LL with that one, wasn't he? When that radio came out, you, you really like, nigga can go hard. Like it was a little softer before, you know, him and him and I'm going to say to, for me, him and Eric B and rock him. I'm all that. Them two right there. They was the one that put it. A pen in the paper, steer your taper, me and Eric B in a nice big plate. Come on, man. See, this was serious business. You know what I'm saying? So this, if you could come back to school and, and repeat that. This meant something. So that was my first introduction, kind of the music and then it switched over to the curse. I call it cursing rap. When the NWA was easy, I was hiding those tapes. You know, my mom would let me listen to that. And then just from that, we started trying to get into them because I'm, I'm a real street cat. I was in the streets at 15 or 16. And when I say in the streets, like, I didn't, we didn't at 15 or 16, we had curfews and none of that no more. We weren't coming in all. We was already, I was already having cars at 16 and moving and living in the weed house. And we bad, you know what I'm saying? But you know, you said cuss, the cuss era. But you, but, but you got to say too short in there too. That cuss era. Yeah. When the NWA, you, you people, when, when, uh, was freaky tales came out, I remember I was in high school. I was like, dang. Well, see where it's basically what I'm saying is West Coast. Yeah. When the West Coast music came in too short, easy, easy, you know, drain them, bring them, you know. They were serious about that. We was hiding those tapes. I was still, when the run DMC, it was still sort of friendly. We went to Astro World and seen them. Oh, when NWA came out, you, you. It was all. That changed my life. But you've been in the music industry for a while in the, um, the elevation of the rap game where it went from rap is more trying to educate you about, you know, being black and, you know, helping you and so forth compared to now. It's mainly about women killing all of that other stuff. How do you feel about that graduation? Um, it's like this, man. It's all about your preference. That's not one of my preference. I dig it and I'm down with it, but I'm a vibe guy. So the music that I make is about a vibe. The music that I listen to about a vibe. I make music to make people feel good. They want to get dressed. They want to look good. At the same time, I could talk about doing 15 years in the penitentiary. You need to get out and do it. I can kind of mix it, but I'm not so much into pro-black activist rap. I'm, because my music is a pastime for me. You know, I get enough information from social media and enough things that I got to go through as far as being a black man. When I turn my music, I want to want to be jamming. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be really wanted. I don't knock it. It's just not something that I've always, I'm always, I'm from Frankie, Beverly and May. I'm from a good time. So even when I'm making my music, making my hooks, most of the music you're going to feel about me, that's just like my new album. It's about riding and you're getting clean and you're drinking, yeah man. It's Sunday and you might watch the car or something. That's my kind of music. You know, it's a vibe. And I can switch over and talk about, you know, street situations or street stories. But for the most part, my music is a vibe. I'm never really into the music that's so much about, you know, brother, brother, brother. You know, that ain't me. Well, you know what? We really need to talk about the elephant in the room. Let's go. The elephant in the room, you know what I'm saying? It's knocking those down with Pimp C. We really need to talk about that. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, why the hell is the elephant in the room? For me, it's the elephant in the room. Okay. So I just want to know what that was like and because I always get me a Pimp store out of everybody. So I'll be like, anybody I can get on the table, they'll be like, this nigga crazy. This Pimp story kind of different because when Pimp came home to do that, first of all, that's my sample. That's the sample of me. Correct. Let's get it. And a lot of people, you know, people use my sample. Those samples a lot. A lot. Yeah. So when Red Boy Calmyn asked me to do the song, he let me hear it at first. And I was like, I really didn't want to pour it to that. You know what I'm saying? Because they self dated. You know what? Not the sample of what Pimp was talking about. Oh, oh. I was like, I don't really want to end. You know what I'm saying? It was a lot of beef and or something. I just didn't want to eat it. You know what I'm saying? I was like, but I asked him, what did he want me to talk about? And Red Boy was like, be yourself. Be what you do. And knocking those down is about knocking those down and riding in the hole. And that's what it's about. Yeah. So that's what I did. You know what I'm saying? So Pimp was kind of upset with me about it because he wanted me to chime in. Yeah. To the beef. Yeah. To the beef. I didn't want to put Pimp, you know. This is my guy. I know. This man. He is hell on wheels. You know what I'm saying? You know, I just like the fact that when it was done, like your seasoning on anything, you Houston and Nigga Kay never really, I seen a nigga rap down here about a first of the year. It was the first of the year. And a nigga was trying to rap like you. I heard it. And every time I see a nigga from Houston, if he ain't rapping like you ain't from Houston, I'm being real. I mean, it's a sound, bro. I'm telling you. And you introduced them to it a long time ago. And you probably did it because it's you. But a lot of niggas then grabbed hold to it and they go with it, bro. You done heard it? Yeah. And it's a thing because you built a legacy, man. And it's just like, man, dang, you know, if I come, if you don't come down and do it like this, nigga, anybody, I'm not anybody is not pimp though. I can't say pimp different. But, but like you guys, man, as you see just all the stuff that you brought to the table, man. Thank you. Let me stop right now and say thank you because nigga, you helped me a lot of years. You don't even realize it. Do you know what I'm talking about? When I was eight, when I was going through things locked up, that's when, uh, um, you know, South Side was out. I did. I went out, but South Side was, you know, but I had a headphone and I could feel myself. I'm like, dang, I'm free. It made me feel like I was out. You know what I'm saying? So last night it was crazy. You did it last night. At the rodeo. Oh, yeah. I was mad. I saw it all over the internet. Man, Bobo Lugini called me. Man, I'm going to eat. I said, where you going? I bought it and called me. I said, nigga, you couldn't have called me. Beautiful. Bro, I saw it. Epic moment. Early. Epic moment last night. He said sold out show, right? Sold out show. How hard? 70,000. I know there ain't been many of y'all in that rodeo like this going in. How often do you know, hip hop get pushed off into the rodeo set? Never. Hmm. So how, you've never seen it ever? This is the first time. Never. This is the first time. You talking about us? Yeah. This is the first time. And this is the thing. We was going to go to rodeo anyway. Okay. We were part of, you know, we're not into the end. We, people, this is a staple and I would say that you either going to the carnival to the rodeo and taking your kids. You're part of a total to be a part of black hair so they can actually get to perform in the middle of the stadium. This was epic. How did they come at you about it? Well, Byron put it together. You know what I'm saying? Byron did. That's what I tell people too, man. We all get opportunities in different spaces to be great. Yeah. You know, I do this. I do that. And for him to get that opportunity, man, he was around the right folks. They gave him an opportunity. At the right time. And a lot of people just find out about it. And I kind of knew a little bug about it a minute ago. Yeah. And it transpired. It came together and he reached out and he could have done something and made it all about him. And he gave an opportunity for the city came out, man. Yeah, that is dope. Like crazy. So who are performing? You, Byron? Me, Slim, Byron, Z-Roll, Willie D, Flip, Pokey, Power Wild, The Toy of the Lucky. Oh, shut that up. H-Town. H-Town? Knock in the boot. Lay Lay, ESG. Wow. They brought him out. 70,000. I'm gonna be a boy. I'm gonna tell the public. I'm sorry, Bobbie. N***a off of the top, baby, little n***a, when I see him. Me wrong for that, man. One can bring anybody out. Yeah, I know it. But I'm talking about Bo-Bo. This n***a came on my shoulder. N***a's gonna leave me. N***a left me. You know he left that. When I get back here, we gonna do the show. But no, we not doing it no more. You gonna mess that all the way up. It was nice, bro. I heard it. I know it would be. They sent me the picture with they had in California. Millionaire. That boy performed. No, this is the second time he done performed in history, you know what I'm saying? Since he called himself to the left. Yeah, that's my guy. He came out, man. It was epic. It was epic, man. Exactly. Man, so how do you, you know, how do you process, like when you go into the studio and you know, you for to do your thing or, I could talk about the road, but how do you process the music? Like, do you write a lot or do you go in there and you hear a beat or how do you do it? My process is a little different from it used to be like, I'm not in the studio all night. Okay. I don't do that. Like, people tell me, yeah, we's in the studio, man. From 12 to 6 in the morning. I hear them with, what's I was doing? You know, like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I kind of, this is what I do. I like, I get the, like, I'm going to call my producers and I'm going to get the music. They're going to send it or I'm going to go do it. I'm going to vibe. I'm going to get the vibe. And most of the time, I'm vibing in my space if I'm smoking here, if I'm doing this, whatever. And when I go to studio, I'm at work. Man, my engineers will tell you, man, like, I'll be having to tip them. Yeah, yeah. You know, because just say it's 50, 60 dollars an hour. Man, I've been in Kamin and got three songs done in an hour. Four. Wow. You know, run through it. You know what I'm saying? So I've been in, shit, they've been in done 12 songs on me and been in made 150 dollars. What was the first studio that you went to when you was young? And how did you feel walking into the first studio? It was crazy because we had came from nothing with screw tapes. Okay. And screwhouse was just like this. We turned tables in the microphone. Yeah. And people really thinking that we rapping on these beats slow or not. They going fast, just like record. They going just like that. And then we slow it down. So my first transition was going to the studio was really going, I want to say it was this dude named Fresh. And he had Real to Real. Okay. Boys, I'm from everything. Yeah. Real to real. Adat. Yeah. See, I really rapped on this shit. Well, you really had to but get ready to do a song. You had to put four VCR tapes in. Yeah. Yeah. To hit up. Yeah, I'm from that. And draped up and dripped out the big three in the morning. I done that in in the middle of a room on a microphone with no headphones, no booth. And that whole went hard. And that's one of the biggest songs of my life. Went hard. When we was young, we got introduced to the studio. Even my whole album, Don't Mess With Texas, we recorded that in a box about this big that was the bathroom. We had a little room. The back part was the studio and the front part was the bathroom. We went in there and shut the toilet out of there and made it to the booth. Recorded the whole album. Sounds like everything right there. Wow. I'm curious because then you know how y'all are very musically inclined, right? Yeah, yeah. And you can hear certain things. So that song that you're talking about back then and it's one of your biggest hits. Technology has changed and sound has changed over the time. How crisp and clear and so forth has become. Can you hear the difference with that then compared to if you had redone it and do it now? What's the difference would be? What's so crazy is yeah, it probably could be mixed better. It probably could be louder in today's time. That song cannot be redone. It's been tried ten times. It's been, you cannot, first of all, that vibe, that energy, that voice, that young kid, you're not going to get that energy back. You're not going to get that energy back. So I never really can tell if it's different from a sound standpoint from then to now because when you play it, it's just still so big, it's still the same. It's a raw cut. It's mixed and now mixing is back then they put more in the mixing. They put more time in and everything. They can mix and recognize that hour. Back then, man, them songs taken four, five hours. So the way that song was mixed, it can't be redone. And trust me, every record company, every deal I've done, any type of beat, they've tried it. That's the first thing they want to do. You think we can redo another song? It just can't be redone. I just want to, because you know how technology has gotten better and stuff. So I'm like, I wonder if it would be better. Yeah, you're right. But we're going to redo the video. Okay. And guess what we're about to do? We're going to redo the video. It's the 25th anniversary of it this year. It came out in 1997. This is the 25th anniversary. It was just the 20th anniversary, which was huge. We're going to redo the video. All new football players, athletes, all types of things. But we're going to use the same song. Hey, that's the best way to do it. Because you can't get that sound back. We're going to use the same song, same lyrics, everything. That's where the visuals look bad. We're just going to make the visual look up to date 25 years later. Man. I got to ask you, like when you, what was the process you would ask you see was, was niggas was different back then. It wasn't, you know, right now you got to sign this and sign that. Well, how did, how was our process and the fact of y'all togetherness? We, we wasn't processing because we wasn't, you see what I'm saying? We wasn't planning it. Like I tell you, like the difference between us and Swiss house, Slim and Paul and Chameleon and all them, they was rapping and going over that. They were trying to be rappers. Yeah. You know, we going, doing demo, like I've never done a demo. Yeah. I never done a, I never done a demo. I never done a, I never done a demo. I never done a talent show. Yeah. You know that we came straight from screw tapes to getting to the money. So, so. We didn't, I tell people the history that we was making. We didn't know. We was, it wasn't playing man. Let's do it. Let's do it. Until 1996, 97, one screw dropped the first tape. Now we starting. Oh, I want to tape and Kiki won't do it. But then the times are going to screw house and collaborating and us becoming the issue C and these different mythical figures. Fatpat little Kiki big mold. We wasn't planning it. It wasn't something like let's get together. Man, this was hood. That's why it was so big on our side. We didn't care who heard it if the North side heard it who had, if you heard it out of town. It was about us then it's pretty. I'm talking about the early years 93, 94, 95, 96 building it. Now 96, 97 by the time y'all get it, it seems like we're in theory. Yeah. Yeah. But it never was like that. It was a group of cats from different neighborhoods that were all taking place and having something to do with screw house. It wasn't screwed saying, hey man, y'all come on. That wasn't even studio. It's just, hey man, we paid to do the tapes. You know, like we're not, we're not going over there. Like we pay and it's not a bad thing. We love screw. I don't take nothing. We paying screwed 10 bucks and then later screw went to make a killing on it. When screw was making a killing on them tapes, man, we weren't even looking at him like he. Yeah. Oh, that's no money. It wasn't like he's selling a thousand of them and we coming over there on Monday. Hey, what am I? I might cut. We weren't saying that. You know what I'm saying? We were just enjoying the moment and it was taking off and I think the most organic thing that we got of it was becoming who we became. And just a few starts standing out. Like I say, that's why so many people claim screwed up, clicking so many people want to be a part of because it was about being a part of screw house. You got some of people that were screwed friends and his homeboys that just more endeared to him as one of us. I tell people all the time, me and screw ain't best friends, but I'm one of the most important people when it comes to the music side of it and what this thing turned to a music. He may have somebody that he want to play dominoes and talk shit with every day, but what they did for the music, I'm the most important factor to that. How did you stay? You stayed counted. You wasn't into a whole bunch of beef. I had never really just see you going back in. You knew how to move in the midst of this and you was a young man. I had a lot of beef. Yeah, but it didn't seem like you know what I'm saying? It didn't seem like a lot of when I think of beef, I know the niggas it had the beef that I could see like a whole mixtape just come out. You know what I'm saying? I always had a big thing to that. One of my attributes to this is me saying I don't have no disc tapes. I ain't never. You see what I'm saying? That's how I could tell. Because I always gave people the opportunity to blow up on their own. Yeah. You do it. I ain't going to give you you know. I didn't see any people who tried to diss me and destroyed them. You know, you're going to come back eventually you're going to, you want to apologize or leave it alone. I'm like, hey man, if it ain't causing where I'm going to lose my life or I got to do something to you or protect my family, there ain't really no beef to me like that. You know what I'm saying? I've had some back and forward going but not nothing where I'm going to make a mixtape about you. I'm going to make a whole song about you. It's been done to me but it always fueled me when it happened to me. It always motivated me to just not to do another one. To go on. To give you something else that you know. Yeah. So you live both worlds. You signed to Swisher House. How was that going from SUC to Swisher? Both movements. How did you end up like, I know it was a move on but like, was it big to you that you moved to Swisher House or signed with them because you all killed them but nothing when you did. That was a business decision that most people can't make. I was more enshrined than what I was doing. I was a part of the screwed up click but right at that time I had a legal situation, a bad legal situation that I needed to get passed but besides the legal situation we wasn't in favor at the time. What I mean by that is you know, Pat had to pass away, screwed past the way it's going on. We kind of in a situation of trying to fight back just to keep our name good as far as SUC and what we've been doing is music because I didn't drop tapes, hulked and dropped them. We just kind of added what we're about to do. They kind of at the rise. They were steady reaching out to me to get a deal done. I knew that this was going to be a big decision based on the side of town I was from and the main reason that I made the decision that I knew that I had the talent to take care of it and that they were pushing our type of music doing what we do, what we made, what we built the city. I just felt like I needed to take the opportunity for the win that they just kept on asking and I knew that it would be something I didn't actually sign with Swiss House me and T. Farage done a deal and T. Farage was a part of Swiss House and I wouldn't take it back for nothing in the world you know what I'm saying but I really feel like I knew this. I was like man there's going to be a lot of criticism for this it's going to be what's the best thing for me to be able to get out of it. I got to go hard so I got to come with this chunk of the do's I got to come with this I'm with G I got to come love by a few 80 by me I got to come ABA I think if my it wouldn't have went over well if I'd have flopped with it you know what I'm saying so I just knew that I had to work hard it was a great opportunity and I wouldn't give it back for nothing Powerwall I learned a lot from going on the road with Powerwall I learned a lot from just having a new day I was from being drinking and smoking and missing shows and tired and this was a more professional situation of Powerwall is on time and we're going to kiss all the babies in the room it's a thousand people and that's going to be a thousand autographs we're going to be there extra three hours and I just learned a lot about being on time you know sitting up straight smile doing the things that me coming from being issues seeing just being gangsta and getting this money and being a legend but this was a more professional side to get me ready and it was a one album deal and we got it done and it gave me the legs and the foundation to be who I am today did you learn by seeing or did you learn by him actually telling you those stuff no I learned by seeing by seeing I learned by seeing I was very very humble you know when I was in situations and got in trouble and had to come home and he was doing he was at it was at points where he was 25,000 a show and he was splitting it with me you know letting me do chunk up the dudes at his big shows and everything and really doing not only just me being his favorite rapper but you know reaching back and he had he had no reason to do this you know what I'm saying so I really appreciate the switch house thing was a great moment in my career even though it was controversial it did a lot for me as a person on you know from a learning standpoint and learning how to admire other people that and I went over there and did my thing Mike Jones was platinum power I was this and such I just knew that I was going to come over there and tap that microphone alright I seen it I seen it and I remember that was on my mind go hard go hard go hard and I started with that ABA and we hit him with that ABA and it kind of took me I've seen the mixtape because that's kind of what happened with us when we let the mixtape game go and we start doing platinum in the ghettos and hardest pits in the litter and big mo we kind of left the screw tape game along we stopped doing the mixtapes and they picked right up on it yeah they picked right up on it so when I got over that one of the first thing they wanted to do was put me back in that element of freestyle and we hit it big we hit it big and love by a few hated by many oh yeah shit man the impact of ABA was legendary chunk up the deuce really is on that album yeah yeah yeah you know what I'm saying because we hadn't got that clear yet we really hadn't got the deal for me yet see it's so many stuff going there Mike Jones had a deal over here Parwile had a deal over here they was trying to get me a different deal you know what I'm saying instead of going through asylum and Warner Brothers they wanted to give me a different deal they had to go do some time in that in that that's why I missed the break them out video I had situations so it took a lot and I really commenced wish I was for what they done of taking on me because I brought a lot of baggage I came over there with a warrant wanted I had baggage you know what I'm saying but I didn't but me being a G I didn't take a dollar upfront yeah these people were platinum millions all I wanted was an opportunity all I wanted was an ABA I'm a G chunk of the dudes and I knew that that would give me a platform when I first got there man I was at I had back got back down to $1,000 a show and got all the way back to where I got to you and Birdman came together on that song got to be a G to the day that I die what how did y'all do we signed the universal and I wanted Wayne you wanted Wayne I wanted Wayne just on the album period he was on universal I love Wayne I wanted Wayne on the album when we sent it back he wanted to be on it him man I wanted him and he didn't he slicked that's my bro I looked at him he didn't charge us for the record but he charged us for the video and I love Birdman that's what I got it ended up being against the song you know what I'm saying it ended up being you know it did a lot for me because as an artist when you have a big song like South Side it's a breath and a breather when you get over the hump with something else that they know it was hard to beat that song it was hard to beat it I already know that that's a big song and it happened to be one of your earlier songs man I sell a lot of records I make a lot of money millions and I can't get away from this damn song you know what I'm saying it was time we had that somebody and they say I ate the song but I'd have to say who was that I don't remember but it makes them the most money yeah they have to say I said because at the time that they did that they were a different place in their life and right now their frame of mind is totally different so they don't like it anymore because that's not where they're at right now well it's not so much of that for me like I say I couldn't get past it you know what I'm saying like damn they just hey man I can make some gangsta man I'm a rapping oh you go hey we love South Side we just love it man do y'all know anything else I was but it ended up being bigger now than ever did you know it was going to be did you know that that was going to happen no man that wasn't even the pick like you know like South Side was we was just tripping it was so much beef in the city we couldn't even do it at first you know what I'm saying like we it was like they was talking about the South Side our town and we had North Side South Side beef going on so when we got past that part of it and then they started moving into a dance crazy and then it kind of leveled off and then when social media came back it just boom I got it God just thought bless me I own it that's the way it goes and first I didn't even own it you know what I'm saying that I own it I got my catalog I got my everything and then from then it just took off so let me I had one question there's a lot of rappers singers everything that what young people who watch I realize there's so much it's more than just going and making music it's a lot of paperwork it's a lot of you know what should they do what's the first thing that they need to know fine I was for you just you can be in this game more than just being a rapper and a lot of people get caught up into the talent part of it and this ain't for everybody that's the saddest thing about it it's not for everybody everybody ain't gonna make it it's no kind of way but that don't mean it's the same with me I tell rappers all the time just because you're not gonna be Drake or Wayne that don't mean you can't live successfully in music that's good I've made millions in music and I've sold millions in music but it don't mean it all had to happen at one time I remember when I started doing my building my brand and becoming 713 and getting ready to do my own company self-made and all that the big thing at that time was man you gotta sell a hundred thousand you need a hundred thousand I just figured out man I was gonna sell a hundred thousand I didn't care if it took five what's the difference I did twelve tapes in one year twelve of them are here I did twelve tapes in one year one per month and at the end I didn't care if it was a quarter million or whatever at the end of the year I did what I did if I'd have woke up in January and said I wanted to do a hundred thousand in a year I wanted to sell a hundred thousand records this year I just put a concept in my mind of I don't care how I get that a hundred thousand if it's ten on this on the twenty so the answer to the question is take advantage of the opportunities that's sometime in front of you because likes and followers ain't customers you know what I'm saying likes and followers and and you know it's a difference making music and making money off music is two different things real time you know what I'm saying so my whole thing is people shy away from opportunities that's right in front of them because you know sometime they're reaching for some stars that might not be you might be a great CEO you might be a great parkcaster you might be look at the greatest example we just seen the other day with the two dudes that were Kanye cameraman Netflix gave them thirty million dollars I saw that see how they go right there all we did was ride with Kanye and we had the camera we didn't wrap we didn't so my whole thing sometime it's I figure I was for you in this game and I have a lot of partners man a lot of people man that they put so much money into and so much time into trying to be a rapper or trying to be an entertainer sometime they may not be for you so I always tell the young entertainers and the young moguls and the the bloggers and all find your niche find your fit and go hard because I've had some musicians who say that they made more money being a producer than actually being a rapper and they didn't know that's starting out you could make so much money being a producer and listen man like I had to start telling myself of like man I want to make a million dollars I want to do this here and I had to live with if I make it in Texas I'm cool with that if I make a million dollars it all came out of Texas fine you know what I'm saying until I and you have to train your mind to start accepting things that can move you forward you know what I'm saying instead of it's some people man set a ceiling to they self and if they don't touch that man they give up completely and you just got to keep going I'm a true testament I keep going man even with my music it never was about the sales a million sales a hundred it's about believing in the rap these 50 albums on my wall is a testament of believing in the rap you know what I'm saying like I had 15-20 hours before I knew streaming was coming now streaming here man all my fans can get all 20 of them anytime you can take this song you can stream but I never knew that was coming I didn't miss cassettes I didn't miss CDs I didn't miss streaming NFT it don't care what it is I'm adapting just to what's going on just like something I posted today and a quote and I was talking about just being consistent because a lot of people get discouraged because things are not happening for them right now and sometimes right now can be months of working as right now and they get discouraged but I'm like no somebody's watching you you just don't realize who might be watching you it's just that they're watching your consistency because being a boss is so many times that you see people who do good but they're not consistent and you don't want to take them under your wing because if they're not consistent now without you they're not going to be consistent with you so a lot of times people are watching talent but they want to see that consistency yeah I just like I said it's certain things that I had I'm like I'm gonna ask him this I'm gonna ask him that but then I get in here and I get to talking to you and I'm hearing the stories and I'm getting caught and lost in the sauce and I can't be getting don't put me in the sauce no more leave me over here you know what I'm talking about but I wanted to ask you about like just going to the studio do you would you when a person do a verse would you rather me email it or would you rather than be in the studio with you email the verse email it you know you want to see that no it's like this man I do so many you know what I'm saying man I just can't go man listen man shit this is a problem you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying because you got some dudes that man I ain't sending that goddamn money unless I'm finna be looking and it ain't about you finna still the money I wanna do you saw a picture you know and I get it you know what I'm saying I do get it but sometimes I'm like man listen man you want this song on Monday or you gotta wait all the way to Saturday till you get here man and come on man so you know now if you hear but let me tell you something 70 or 80% of the verses that I do now they want to see you oh you yeah they do they pretty much want to and it ain't about if you finna they ain't worried about the money they want the the vibe the what go with the social media the posts they want everything they go with it what you can't knock them you know what I'm saying you can't do they pay extra for that man let me tell you all this something why we talking about this here man this is a great time to bring this up you get what you pay for yeah and a lot of artists man you y'all this is and this probably going to be great for people that do verses with me because they probably be thinking this you want to call me and ju me down man please I'm telling you I got this here alright you might ju me down man I got $15 $200 whatever I might shoot a free though cause that's what that is to me I could do verses all day I could do an album in a day I done it you know what I'm saying like ABA Gangsta Grimm T-Fair done that in a day so shooting I mean doing the verses like shooting the free though so here it is you want to ju me down and pay this cheap price for this verse and then a week later you want to ask somebody video and now I'm feeling tell you something crazy right you know what I'm saying like you know instead of just being realistic we just going to take for it you know a video song everything cause the video and song is different the song I could shoot that free though that's just like Boston I got to come in put on a shirt I got to put on some clothes you going to put my face on on YouTube put it all on now I'm telling you you saying how much four or five times see we done worked that out and talked about that because you going to get what you paid for you want to so in other words you want this cheap verse you want a cheap verse you wake up man I'm not a man you get made a hundred million off them up and that's not going to make that don't make sense you got to make sense and then let me tell you it's different strokes for different folks me and Pokey talk about all the time man I got people man I just get on the phone I got a soft spot I've been engaged with first yeah yeah yeah man it's energy man be honest a lot of time yeah it's all about it's all about how you talk to them you get anything out of me it's just based on how you do so some people man that's got to come to terms with the engagement of how to do music or how to do business that's just really what it is let me ask you man how important is God in your you know in your everyday walk of life you know like yeah you see what I'm saying cause a lot of young people need to hear this man I wouldn't just ask you that people need to hear that you can't just walk around here you got to have him somewhere in there I don't play this is I'm big time I have to stop there because I'm preaching the same God is God is that's a real question because at the end of the day people a lot of times account they self out right they feel like you know cause sometimes people show you too holy sometimes they be putting God this way and that way and this way but really to be honest with you he love you anyway but you can mess up I walk by faith hard there it is so what I'm saying is but a lot of people think I messed up so I can't get back on man one of my biggest come ups and what made me start flourishing is when I started living by the concept man I ain't miss nothing that God had for me hey nothing I'm talking about most of the things that I have now he gave them to me when I was this month I got now I had to be mature I would have blew it spent everything all of it so most of the things that I'm into now I had to mature until I like I don't drink syrup and all these different things so different things that's coming to me man God is everything to me you know what I'm saying where I came from and how I got here so I'm not over preachy and churchy with it with other people you know religion is very you know so yeah it's a touchy subject but for me you know I walk by faith completely you know what I'm saying and I just live by everything I'm supposed to have I got it when God gave it thought I was and everything I don't got I'm not supposed to have it I love it man I love it you have to walk like that because I really believe that God put us to touch other people you know what I mean there's a reason that you because was there any time in your life that you didn't believe not really or that you it might have been you put it on the back burner my faith may be strong it was time when you young you looking over certain things like you know as I as I became a father and you know I'm very big on energy vibes calmness I'm big on all that man my son I'd be telling him all the time y'all can't get no money y'all not in the frame of getting it you know you're doing this here your seeds that you're planting see I'm getting this money because I plant great seeds and different things and I you know I'm entwined in reality of doing right man you can be a great kid you can do but y'all you're not in a you know every time you look up you wonder busted you're tired on flat yeah my son Ben's just got wonder busted out you know all different things happen to you and I bust out and tell you they being a father right now how many kids do you have three three have any of them started like being in your footsteps of music great question you mean like microphone but they're into the business they're into the business what do they do I feel like my older son I feel like he he don't rap but I feel like he's very very very musically inclined he know exactly what's going on what's happening so I'm I didn't make them choose this I gave them their own life I didn't introduce it to I want you to go to school you know however it comes out of you you know you love it like my younger son he's an athlete he played ball he go to school like I say for computer science you have all boys I got all boys are you done yeah need two more you see how you thinking you need two more you need a girl daddy's little girl listen man my kids have taken me out listen I'm trying to tell y'all they cause they cause way more grown yeah I already know what what once they're over 18 and you're done with them no no no that's where it starts at the beginning that's where it restarts you know what I'm saying like man listen I think my kids were cheaper younger yeah yeah yeah man going to the sixth flat they need cars and business I got a bomb I already know where you coming from oh no I'll be like if I'm putting this you need to put half cause I'm not the school give you not you're not going to respect anything no I'm serious I'm you know and then I'm riding I'm 14 that nigga gonna get what because of him not because of me 14 I got a 16 I got a 16 20 I'll let man they but you know I spoiled them I'm riding you know I spoiled them riding I'm mad about it later that can bite you in the butt though it didn't bit I'm bit I don't got a piece of ass right now shit it didn't it didn't happen you know what I'm saying it didn't happen but now you know man what I try to do is be realistic with them and I don't force nothing you know I don't have to be too tough be tough when I need to so I just introduce I'm actually bringing them into the business now letting them do the merchandise side of it just kind of getting acquainted with being around these different atmospheres and that but never before you got to do both you know you can't take care of your business first did you find yourself overcompensating with your sons I thought about that earlier because your father wasn't doing a lot with you because he was an older you know father did you find yourself doing that overcompensate completely overcompensate but I ain't mad about none of it no no it's dope see I got great stats when I like this is a very big thing to me like I compare this to platinum gold and all this man for as much money as I make for as many shows for as long as I ain't miss nothing I ain't miss the football game I ain't miss the Christmas program I ain't miss the pampers I ain't miss them I just told my son you saw all of them walk what walk pampers pick everything wow I just told my 16-year-old son the other day man you know we I tell him this all the time you know we because I love to tell him you know I've been 16 I'm on three times why are you trying to run that game bro I already been 15 three times what are you saying he shook he can't come over there for that he can't come over there I've been 15 three times my daughter will tell you my daughter will tell you it's a different age mama no but see this is what this is what I'm telling him what I'm what I mean by you know I've been 15 three times man I try to I didn't overcome I did overcompensate by by doing but I'm not I'm not mad about it because this was I lost my train of thought but this is what I was telling him man my son is 16 years old he been playing football five six him too but five six because I own the league football yeah yeah five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen ain't missed a year man man you didn't have a hundred and fifty football game two hundred football game you know what I mean I seen two hundred two hundred but how do you say that in his schedule I don't care do you like turn down let me tell you something about me some stuff reschedule some stuff let me tell you about me let me tell you I don't stay on the road I've been let that go when I take care of business I take care of business like if I'm coming to y'all I got a show in Dallas at twelve I'm leaving Houston at seven o'clock I'm getting there at eleven I'm performing at twelve twelve forty five we back on the road I don't smoke I don't drink I don't do nothing on the road my drivers my drivers they gotta we finna turn this bike around so I had plenty nights of coming from Dallas and show right back up to the little league field at eight o'clock in the morning man I coach little league field on the team watch the kids everything man I don't care about no outside rocking the stadium getting money cans and seating I don't care where I'm at I ain't miss the game now they might have he might have had two hundred and I might be at one ninety eight yeah yeah one ninety nine I ain't miss nothing but in your in your entire life what would you say is your biggest achievement consistency dope on everything and let me tell you longevity, consistency and I would say whatever word is fun I never give up no matter the circumstances that's why I tell people it's easy for me to accept the word legend or accept all the homage that's given to me because I accept all the ridicule all the pain all the hurt all the down talking all the derogatory I live through that see this skin you gotta have skin for this this skin ain't for everybody so when years when it wasn't going my way years I'm signing with Swish House people ain't happy years I ain't selling no records years I'm still drinking and smoking years I'm still going to jail I never gave up never gave up why did you stop drinking and smoking? because it was just it was time I didn't stop smoking no why did you stop drinking? I stopped drinking though you know what I'm saying because it just became time I was drinking syrup all my life and I ended up catching a case at one of my studios and I had just got out a lot of trouble a lot of trouble and the judge was just like you know what we really spared you so if we convict you on this we're gonna fire the 99 so it was a bunch going on in my studio anyway long story short they had me on a pretrial from November 2010 2011 to April 2012 couldn't drink couldn't do nothing you had to take a pitch test every time you go to court so I was just all five months I told God if I beat that case I never drank again I never sip another piece of syrup not an ounce not a deuce not a tray not a cup not a wok not a act nothing and that was 12 years ago and I ain't been back since how hard it was to just stop? once I got off on it it was the hardest thing ever but my freedom was on the line for that five months and I had just got out a lot of a bunch of trouble so it was finna be more of an embarrassment to be back in trouble for some drinking and and and I just got out of all this 10 year trouble that I was in so once I got it out of my body from November I never came back and when I say never came back not a sneak not a little bit not a come back not a put nothing you know people say the hardest thing is not when you're in trouble and you you go cold turkey it's when you come back out and you're around all your friends that are doing it I love it that's my biggest thing that's my biggest I love it hey man you can see that that's when I knew that I was strong and that was my first testament of discipline when I could come around and it's it's everywhere it's cups it's everywhere and let me say something I'm not a hypocrite I don't want to come to the table when it starts be like what are you drinking why are you drinking that this was a choice I had to make for me to change and it changed my complete life got my family back became a better father became a better hustler became a better entrepreneur you know what I'm saying got my faith back with everything I needed to do cause that does slow you down well it changed my life completely I've done it 20 something years straight so to get away from it and come out of it with my kidneys come out of it with my health come out of it I was blessed so I don't talk now if you ask me if you my partner and you ask me then I'm going to give you my opinion about it but that was a big step for me in my life man I did and I know it was a big step because it's like it's not popular and you know you come around I've been at places like that and they be like man why he don't drink I done heard that for years man why he don't drink I'm just in there chilling I have a good time regardless you know I don't need matter of fact I think I'm having a better time than you you know what I'm saying but you worried about it what you worried for I think a lot of time people are insecure in what they're doing cause they really lost in who they are self-awareness is real self-awareness is real and that really helped me out you know what I'm saying that kind of saved my life on moving forward man I just I turned up after that you know what I'm saying that just went to like I say man it was just crazy how different things started happening out the blue man I started getting pieces to my catalog without even having to go to court for it it's a blessing you know shit just happening you know what I'm saying man I was in deals bad deals and I just called the people and told them I wanted out man it's a bad deal I want out okay out I was like man this shit is god-favorite you know what I'm saying that those shows like when you start walking in purpose yeah he starts opening the doors that's all that is yeah I wanted to ask you um so universes between you and Slim Thug how would you take him out cuz y'all got a lot of songs and that's all I'm trying to I was trying to think of who I would pick it's like this man Slim my brother they work man Slim my brother and he's had he got great songs he's been in a great situation I always tell people this shout out to Slim Thug my bro he the most consistent on this let me tell you what he's the most consistent on showing everybody else love okay hey man show me a post without Slim name on it I'll give you a hug you're in there I don't care what go down your timeline if Slim ain't on there I'm gonna give you a hug he in here he love everybody he show up man for this city man with him being one of the bigger stars and I'll get back to what you're saying for everybody that's what I told him in my legends dinner I appreciate you man and that was a dope dinner I wasn't there but I was on my ID page you just struck a nerve you niggaz had on black I'm sick of it I'm coming to the party you gotta come to the party listen you're not leaving man and I salute everybody and I salute him for no matter what man he always show up for everybody now in the verses I say this Slim has a situation where you have deals so he have some big songs you know with for me some big artists I always tell people this and it ain't just about Slim hey man we come to the backyard I'm gonna make it tough forever we do it here I'm gonna make it tough forever man I'm gonna make it cause I got some hey listen people don't get to see I see it I see the wall I'm not afraid you can't miss it let me tell you something I'm gonna make it tough here here it's hard it's tough now I don't know we take it real well I don't know everybody they ain't ever done a verses with South no no no we got to do some more I had to ask that question cause you try to figure out who would be a good the city of love it cause the north of love the south of love it and we both got role but I always tell people man that's not that's enough you ask him he pretty much gonna say the same thing bro gonna say the same thing but I just feel like that man with anybody man in the backyard I'm ready yeah I gotta ask you this question what's your question comes in from a blog a blog of friend of mine and you say you got to ask him this man cause I say I'm going to see him man I say I got I'm going you better come on nah man I can't go but I said well you better try to get you might not never see this nigga I don't know I looked up on it what's the question I gotta get to it man I done had my phone hijacked for a second uh trio talk no pill talk I've been seeing him yeah he says what draws you so close to ALD and ALD being from East Texas you know you're gonna see it and how does he and how do you feel about Texas as a whole and are there any other East Texas artists that you listen to man it's like this I um I done some music with ALD back a long time ago I've seen it long long long well I damn didn't remember I didn't I ain't remember he telling me about I didn't remember I'm like no shit it was that long ago yeah so man when he got out man he was so adamant about recreating what he had left off so he called me again to do another song man let me tell you something that's gonna be crazy to you and I ain't just calling him NIST but it's like I love Penitentiaries I just like them Penitentiaries stories man I grew up under I grew up under a lot of Penitentiaries niggas man a lot of niggas though neighbors my partners and even my little time was doing man I love a Penitentiary story man listen when I'm in the I tell people all the time I was in the county jail and I used to have this cat man and he did 30 years flat yeah yeah he ate all my food cause he had all the stories so I lit it my bag was he was gonna come over there and tell everybody the two hours of these stories man this man we eat up everything I got and ALD we used to converse and we used to talk and ALD is the Penitentiary Niggas man God man this dude here is wild man you got stories for days oh man I love it I'm a great debater oh you got yourself man how are you better than ALD cause ALD can go I heard him I heard him boy this man this man this man debates me every day I believe that five six seven subjects I believe it and I tears his ass and I tears his ass no man listen that's my bro and listen you know what it wasn't just that I was in love with his even though I was trying to talk him out his hustle I'm like man when you stop selling rocks right here with this shit you doing that but I loved it I loved it he believed in his he meant that he believed in himself you know I want to do right I want to live off this man I'm going to do it I told him from the beginning listen man you can get talked out of that shit it's tying the cross over you know what I'm saying but I loved it I just love this hustle man he just became somebody that if you got a good sport argument you're going to you're going to argue me all day I'm going to argue sports all day so just the person who he is and he just got a lot of elements of shit talking that I love to cover to talk shit too and we just grew a good bond and I want to see him do well man because he really a rap junkie he really love it and man listen man anybody that's trying to come out to do the right that's just like Brewster Brewster that's my guy too anybody that's trying to come out to do the right thing man hey man listen so yeah that's my guy and as far as East Texas who else it is somebody else in East Texas that I do jam it's been a minute but I love East Texas I was just in NAC the other day I'm always in all of you so East Texas they my people Tyler I'm always down there so and listen people man I always tell the East Texas people or anybody that's from outside you got to take advantages of your opportunity opportunities man Houston in front of your face you got to get in that car and go that's right you got to get in that car and go to Dallas because sometimes man you know man out of sight out of mind it ain't that the talent ain't there it's the resource it's no different from when we had the resource ourselves against California against New York we didn't have the resource of deaf jam and university not downtown Russell Simmons ain't on the corner you know man that's a great opportunity to wake up in all these media L.D. asked me that the other day what do you think why you think I would like man their media opportunities when they growing up at 17 18 got they demo tape they able to go take it to downtown to yeah yeah 100 scope out yeah man I got this demo tape I just got it yeah I ain't no telling who I can get it to so that's the difference so I'm saying that to say in East Texas sometimes with the and it ain't just us you know I'm saying if you need to go to Atlanta wherever you need to go sometimes just stretch out win your hometown like you should you should win your hometown and then try to take that buzz to the next bigger thing that's right whether that's Dallas whatever that's all it be sometime for the smile a lot of people find love outside of their hometown first before they even find their home sometime but not not in Houston niggas different yeah yeah love don't know how they get embraced who have came up it can't seem like being a star here can be a curse I'm trying to figure out why because you get put in the box because you you can live so good and so great you can you start skipping over everything else what else happening it didn't happen to me man listen you let's get besides millions and I would if somebody tell you man listen man I'm gonna give you a beautiful home I'm gonna give you two three cars you're gonna have nice vacations you're gonna make enough to save something for your kids and you can pretty much travel and do what you want to do you don't have to put a price to that that's a great life and the average rapper can do that here you can make it that's dope whether that's 200,000 out here I always tell my kids man dudes they be like man I want to try making a quarter million a year first yeah I'm gonna make a million dollars it's great for man I seen a rapper the other day I forgot what his name was he was laughing but it wasn't funny to me he was like man I make $30,000 a month he said man I make $10,000 on streaming and I do me four five features a month they thought that was funny that was beautiful exactly at 30,000 a month you can live great you better know it if you're not chained every month now let's not go too far if I want to ask you about I want to go back to L.D. you executive produced his up and coming album yeah you did yeah that's what the word got back and this guy so I just want to know who's all on this new David street out man I told L.D. to do a real album I ain't saying that he hadn't that's what this first thing came to my mind when you said that like has he not done time think stop talking about man I'm going to studio Friday you gotta eat up you go back next year you got another seven now I wanted him to just take advantage of opportunities up man you're gonna get key I'm highly poking you're gonna put it together with it let's make your album where you can make your impact you know what I'm saying where you come back where you start now if you want to go back into the frame of every month I tell them stuff like this like I do man get you seven tracks and get two off of them seven tracks two off of there let the producer send let one to produce you mess with let him send ten and get two come back get five and get one come back listen to four of them and get one man you're gonna know you got everything that you really really really wanted he watched me put the legend together and he's the white child man it was taking me months to do a song I never really like I said I done an album in a month before I done one in an overnight some of my best work but having the concept of really putting I'm real big on effort I think that God gonna bless your effort the more effort you put into something God gonna bless your effort you know what I'm saying so that's what I was just telling them to do so taking it it's like talking to a wall but I say who all gonna be on it was he jugging at me because he said you gotta make sure you get with him about it I say well I'm gonna get with him he's very calculated ain't he yeah man don't go up in there and mess that up with that man you know how you talk I love him listen I won't trade that nigga for nothing ever since I met him I'm like you but see I come from that so I'm like damn man this nigga special dog he got his own way of doing things man I'm gonna try to this what I'm gonna say I'm gonna get him the legends okay you know to make sure he can get that part up and then man somebody I don't even know some of the young cats you know I think the nigga them played me he got me to come up and ask the question he's gonna get this out he's trying to get it out with me how many times have you asked you that question I got it he's gonna be good you know what I'm saying I just want to see him do the right and I just took that role that he asked me let me tell you something this ain't even about money with me with no idea good I got money I just want to man I just want to see you in a situation where you can flourish in what you're doing if you can put that same amount of hard work into how you're doing it just put it in and man his efforts are already been blessed you know he's running in the kikis and boss talks Greg Streets God giving him if you do the right thing that's what's gonna happen yeah you sound like him that's why I try to give him a bigger that's cause you deserve it I'm like no nigga you I appreciate it but you're doing the right he's I'm just like you just said he knows the game I begin so top three artists of all time dead or alive that's something that we do on boss talk top three artists dead or alive any genre I don't care you could say Patty Lebel you love Patty now you know what I'm gonna start with I ain't just you know most people you're gonna start with you I'm gonna put me in but the greatest artist of all time is one who often to say Michael Jackson that's why L.D.K. was coming at me about that for the long as you the one got that nigga over there man that Mike Mike he kept telling me it ain't nothing tougher than Mike nothing nothing nothing you see that nothing ain't no way in the first ball these are kind of stats Mike got right here that's the killer ain't nobody gonna never outsell him no that's not gonna happen never who gonna take it on ain't come this the coldest part about Mike man I had the I had all the records before streaming then they just added me to that too y'all not y'all act like I'm gonna Mr. He missed that it hit hard it hit hard you know what I'm saying so it's over from that and then I tell people this here man imagine this man imagine you being 17 you 18 I'm 16 we in the this is they screaming these girls they hollering they screaming they going crazy you 17 you going to you 18 but they hollering for the nine-year-old wow yeah I'm talking about they falling out yeah the women they get they taking their clothes out they going crazy I'm talking about they losing they mind you 17 yeah you 18 I'm talking about they going they can't stand imagine the story is that Mike Mike I'm talking about y'all standing out there y'all dancing and y'all doing everything y'all do then slide on to the side with a with a 10-year-old can get right there even come through and a 10-year-old in a trip the nigga was a legend in a star at 10 I done already passed up these Sammy Davises um was it Smokey Robinson no our main one Brown James Brown I'm finna pass him by the time I make it to 17 man I'm it's over my whole childhood I got to play with Drafts monkey I'm a monster monster you right man I get it from nine till I die till it's over that's your boy Mike hey man what's your favorite Michael song all of them I'm a Mike fan so when you were younger did you have a dress up in the jacket that's why I'm still hurt when I get the jacket see I'm from the hey that's still me and my momma it's not too late you can go and get your jacket I oughta not buy you something behind I ain't got a jacket that jacket was everything I ain't get it number two number two yeah I'ma get you number two for me would be oh lemme get back on number two for me would be Ice Cube is very influential you like Ice Cube somebody gave us Ice Cube a while back so he is your number two cause he really the first rapper that I thought was man this nigga is a bad bad man see I like to run he's a Peter Puck I liked all that LL but I ain't like him like I like that n***a Cube see I was gonna say Puck but Cube had done something to me before Puck he's a business man it's that once upon a time in the project yo Cube is the toughest man like from as far as the dude who could and I man so he was very influential to me so too number three me gotta be you and I don't blame you I was gonna see if he was gonna forget to add him so oh no yeah I ain't I didn't even think about that twice man me really number one you know just I'm just going I just had to I just had to say Mike cause he even over Mike I had to say Mike cause my son is cause I like to remind him two times a year Mike the cold and Salva N***a even Chris Brown that's you know that's that's baby Mike that's baby Mike that's baby Mike cause you know Aldi came on and talked about Chris Brown baby don't do that don't do that I be saying this listen I can bet hey man Mike is so influential it ain't even about the giant it's about man this is you know what we talking about this money Mike isn't Mike yeah the glove boom she out that Mike you got to be a love if you if you born in the in the 90s you that might not register no if you born in the 70s 70 you understand what the hell you know what I'm talking about because you remember thriller comes out every year in Halloween that will forever be a Halloween I just love it man I grew up with that and I always look at that like that man as far as a rapper though you know I just I love him I love him you know I'm saying so I can go on for a while I want to ask you so I know you worked with so many people but if there's one person that you haven't worked with that you would love to work with who would that be dead or alive dead or alive that's fine Prince Prince Prince played 27 instrument I understand but when I think about people that somebody would work with I would think about the chemistry the music that we could make together why do you think that you and Prince together I can rap on anything I can do anything you can go listen I'm great with I'm great with music it's not always about me I'll let Prince be Prince and I just do my thing I like something that it's easy to say Jay-Z it's easy it's easy to say I don't want to say something that I think probably I want to say something that would have been off the wall to happen you know what I mean I still got to is there anybody living that you would other than Jay-Z of course because you don't want to say it Jay-Z I like Jay-Z it's my dog you said it I think not because of what he did I got I'm not about Jay-Z not because of what he did I admit it I admit him go back I'm saying I'm saying that because of it too I met the nigga man and when I met him what I say because I'm a soft I'm a Texas nigga I don't play nigga when I nigga I don't play when I see that nigga I say I got to respect this he remember he remind me of me let me tell you what I mean by that not just from a lyrical New York standpoint that's their thing from a standpoint of he deserve way more credit than he getting just man something else right he said that he deserve way more credit than he getting and watch this ill guess what I love about the verses he go God you ask me that I believe in God let me show you God Jada all that respect and homage that you deserve I'ma give it to you in one night one night I'ma let you work I don't know what you've been through but all that respect and homage that you deserve to be up there with JZ, DMX, Nas and all them people I'ma give it to you in one night one night have you met him before? yeah I'ma give it to you in one night and I feel like the same for me I just feel like man I'm very respected in my culture and where I'm from but you know it could be more it could be it's a lot of people that missed out on a lot of parts of my career and I feel like that about Jada so I just feel the same and I feel like you know most of the time a lot of my homage comes in one night yeah it's certain things like last night went hard I know I gotta see this on YouTube everything on YouTube last night was big you know I got me not being from Texas when I came I always you know being with him always heard about Texas Dallas and Houston always having a thing where music is concerned why is that so and how can we make that what do we have well I'm gonna be honest with you being penitentiary football I think penitentiary football is a big that's the big that's the big that's the big that's the big divider so you don't think they have a I don't know I don't think the music is as much a divider as the football and the years and see cause it go back to the stillers I mean not just stillers to the oilers and the oilers and the oilers and it was a big thing way back you know it was big it was something to where we would and we were good both of us was good to be honest with you Dallas was better I didn't I'm being real I didn't live with Dallas I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you a crazy cowboy story how I'm a cowboy fan I'm a cowboy fan no for real I know let me tell you something my dad this is I tell his story I love to tell it my daddy had me at 50 my daddy moved here you know so at 50 let me tell you something my daddy was born in 1926 1926 so when my daddy moved from Waco to Houston the oilers wasn't playing in the dome they were playing in Robinson Stadium when they got ready to build Robinson Stadium revamp it it was already built but they had to revamp it for the oilers to play they had men my daddy stayed in the CUNY Homes in Third Ward that was five minutes from the stadium you could walk to it they had men who worked 12 hour a day shifts to build it 12 hours a day seven days a week promised them tickets to everything when the stadium was built they didn't let them get no tickets no black men they let them get no my daddy don't like no Houston teams oilers rockets Astros nothing I grew up in my house watching the cowboys he rooted for the stillers he wanted the all of them to never get through the steel curtain the only rocket he ever liked there was a laser on so that's not me but this is the house I grew up I didn't grow up watching Channel 2 or such and such with the oilers on I didn't grow up watching the rockets or the I grew up watching the other channel 26 that's how I got it that's how I started liking the cowboys besides now with 92 93 coming I was of course it was easy to be a cowboy they but I'm a Texan I'm a rock and I'm all that because I'm Mr. 713 I live but people are always behind you a cowboy fan I grew up under nothing but cowboy situation I gotta ask you this and you wasn't about to get out here without me asking you this album the project it was so dope bro we jammed it all the way aw man did I have fun without you though man boy I'm about to break the window nigga nigga I don't play nigga I don't play about y'all bro I don't play I don't play I don't play I'm still gonna answer that question about that Dallas and Houston yeah but I don't play about that so we got to talk about that project man you put a lot into that project I know how I know how you do it from my ear to when I see and I love sauce walker being on that thing woo you don't know what that do for me see that do something for me man that was big stuff I know big I'm old nigga I'm sitting back like woo that was dope you know what I'm saying I've been trying to get that boy on my show I'm gonna get him oh you gotta get him I'm gonna get him I'm gonna get him I've been calling Megan I'm gonna say it right now I'm gonna get you you gotta get him that's coming but anyway how did you put that together how did you make that happen um man I was in a situation where man I was just doing catalog music okay adding to my catalog not necessarily not saying that I'm not in tune with it or going as hard as I can but I was doing music for my bottom line alright I'm making such and such right now when I drop this album I'm gonna be making this yeah so I used to strategize in that way I'm gonna drop two albums a year I'm gonna do this here so man I dropped self made the rest of that series and it kind of I just it was in the pandemic so I didn't put a lot of features on it just was me and I like the response to it and everything but man I was like man you know what when you get to this stage man you either feelin to go into something new or it might be it and I'm in a situation where I don't I don't gotta do it no more yeah yeah I like it too I like that that when you can do what you wanna do it hey man let me tell you something what I'm doing right now I'm gonna be doing man and I don't I don't gotta do it no more you know I'm good but I was like you know what I'm gonna put a great effort in this because I have a lot of people that always you know I might be somewhere and run into a Juicy J or something man where are you we'll do it and nah I'm finna start taking advantage of some of those opportunities man I was like you know what I got wrapped up into it and I was doing it and I just went to feeling the vibe of it coming together great from the production to how it was coming man like I say man I was doing songs that were taking a month that's something for me cause I'm quick to the draw you know what I'm saying so I'm doing songs with a hook on it it ain't got no words I'm having to take this out and even with the We From Texas song I was like you know what Kiki how you gonna come out what single you gonna come how you gonna do this you know what I was like man we stand up so much for Georgia we stand up so much for Florida we've been standing up for New York California since I got in this game it's been really important for me to give people to live up and stand up to Texas and just represent so I was like man you know what I wanna do a big Texas song and man I made that drop hey man Longview, Tyler San Antonio Austin, Dallas Beaumont, Porto man let's stand up man we finna stand up and man we put that together we gonna put the hogs on here Slim, Kiki, Zero the biggest in the city I already expect them see that's what I'm saying we gonna put the sauce when you did that when I was like dang that's a move cause I'm used to seeing you I know what y'all do we gonna make it a little controversy I love it and that joke it took off that whole man that whole and bro it's doing crazy like it's streaming well you know what I'm saying so that was very big so that whole album and once I got that going I was like I just started doing it man Justice League man, Juicy Jake Big Crit yeah man Big Crit that's my guy right there crazy and Juicy J2 but working with DJ Chos I be looking at you how you bridging these gaps I'm an old nigga that I hear a lot of old niggas talk about the young niggas but I don't see the action so when I see you link with a younger cat that's where I be like that's dope because other people can see man I got a great vibe with him because he makes his ass shaking music he's great at it you know him and Big King that's what they do you know but he can make some street music young boy Fray Joe Bang Kevin Gates look he can make some street music he very musically inclined so sometimes I don't even know if this should be the single I just love him man I'm making this the single because I love you you know what I'm saying we're gonna do it because if I call him he picking up he call me I'm picking up so I had already started that trend of doing that in the self made that's what self made series was about going to get all the self made stars so I started early in self made one then when I got to self made two Exo DJ Chos Cal Wayne all this so it always been important and that I didn't get to finish that trend on self made three because it was the pandemic I couldn't get to all this I was like man you know what on legend I'm going to get the legends I'm going to get the zeros to everybody slim I'm gonna put Devon the dude on that I heard it man boy you know I'm a big Devon fan I'm gonna put Devon on here man I'm gonna go pow wow and then I'm gonna go get some of these youngsters you know Chuck E. Trill and man we got J. Dogg on that J. Dogg the young hog man man J. Dogg wow stop man so I was just like man you know what I'm gonna do it and one of the reasons that I do a lot of Texas artists and add L.D.s and I'll listen because I remember being L.D. and being a person that and I couldn't get Chris Brown yeah I couldn't get this here man and I just remember she and that I was happy by being able to get A-Ball Lord being able to get Scarface or get Bun B or whatever cause they was in there and that made me so me being who I am I wanted to make sure that I gave them younger artists a person that they could get man this man be I watched this here this a big giant justice lead track but I'm gonna put Jack Freeman on it hey man you you different man you know what I'm saying this a big crack track big crit what can I do I'm gonna get Toby man it's Toby so I'm gonna get Bun okay let's go Bun crit and Toby and Lil Kiki real diverse record so I just wanted to come in together like that and like I said man everything we and L.D. actually finished shooting O-cap this week supposed to shoot the last week the rodeo I wanted nothing else to do with the rodeo that rodeo serious one man it was I don't don't call me I can't get nothing I can't thank just knock this broke cause it was it was something you know what I'm saying to be worried about so we knocked that out and um man the album man I'm this is the first album in a long time that I was extremely proud of not saying that I wasn't proud of the I was extremely proud of the effort that I put in and everything I've done from the photo shoot to the videos to the legend party to the sway I got 85 so I was coming up I was talking I was talking I got everything and just my effort that I put back into it made me feel good about it did a great job man hey man I love you bro you know what I'm saying hey man this big love over here before you go oh yeah I forgot before you go before you go let me get this let's all out man we love Dallas it's I think this um the way we do music is different from them because we like we say we came from the screw tape and just to be honest I was screw tapes didn't go that way as hard as that I tell people this all the time Dallas is a very big market and their market is more up if you notice and I would love for them a lot of Dallas artists don't do a lot of shows here on Austin but they go up Oklahoma Arkansas which is great because to be honest when you trying to get a deal you need to break the but Dallas market a little bit faster than you break it the majors love the Dallas market it's just that I think we had more in based on the screw tape era we had more individual legend it's more of a legend city you know what I'm saying all these different and our our um our fan base really follow us very very hard you know what I'm saying I don't from a standpoint I don't know if Dallas fan base follow the Dallas artists as hard as the Houston fan base follow the Houston artist so we don't have a Dallas Houston thing you know what I'm saying I was in Dallas like I love that here and artists in Dallas I don't really see that a lot not a lot because like I say their music was really coming here and we have a we go that like for instance I'll tell Poke Poke wasn't a guy that did a lot of Dallas he always mentioned we Dallas love you I love Dallas I go to Dallas a lot you know what I'm saying I go to Dallas a lot a lot Slim goes to Dallas I switch house got a good movement in there so it's all about the the music you know what I'm saying how it transitions together like for instance the we did more we did more probably with Louisiana artists because they're closer and we're more tied to them but the point I'm trying to make it's not a it's not a beef thing like we don't like it we just like like for instance man we embrace when when Yellow had his movement trap boyfriend me and chief got a whole album I go to funky town a lot it's just I think that like Big Tut I'm down with all of them we just didn't get a chance to mesh music together as we were going like our era is a little bit before them and but but from the standpoint no beef though no do you think screw will ever come back I don't say that it left let me just I'm glad you asked that question because I can answer that for you I'm gonna be real which wouldn't when screw listen I'm a UGK listen I'm a UGK fan right and when screw came you know that right and dirty you know you know what it is that's when you know you start hearing you start hearing that y'all was saucing it up over here you know I'm telling it now I'm an old nigger so I'm watching everything now super tight and all that we were kicking it I tell me something good nigga I was at the danger field I always tell the story track me but when it hit that right and dirty or it was it became real real Texas like Houston screw back drop man and how did that that's something I would like to know like what do you think how did that happen I know they were signed to jab but how did this how did that sauce up like that the Texas they real Texas boy though you know I know that it ain't about how upstream but I'm just saying it became a screw I guess and they locked in or how did that happen you see what I'm saying man they admired us as much as we admire them no idea that's just the truth they were bigger than us it's not what I mean by bigger than us I used to look up to them for this they got a real tape see see uh rapping talking about a tape and having a real tape was too different you know what I'm saying see it wasn't about money for me back then and they got a real tape I want a tape I want a man you can go to Soundwave and buy a tape yeah I want that music it was some music some music Soundwave yeah a music hey listen big music yeah you can go buy it this was serious you know this was real man we go in the screw housing we got a cassette that you can you know they got a real tape you can go to the store yeah I don't know how much money I don't even care I know that people they're talking about man they are you know so the thing about it man is we we come like I think man how we all suffered because we had the assets to the bigger thing we really out the money we really people thinking it's clean man we out the trunk and for real you know what I'm saying we really doing it like this so I admire them as far as what they've done it didn't matter they could have been much much bigger but you gotta understand we coming from a situation of they trying to learn the business they didn't came from being with big time records and now they over here with Jive they doing this here and a lot of times man these companies always try to come change you who we were you may sign you for this here but then they come trying to change so I think man that one of the factors for UGK was just staying them underground kings and being who they were so them hooking up with us they admire us we admire them we were listening to they tapes and man they were they were knocking on screw though just what I'm telling you our tapes were full of culture you ain't got no choice but to get some shit out of there and be talking about we talking about it in there we talking about everything we doing we drinking we smoking we riding we holding we candy that's what made us so big because our tapes and these free stars man we just rapping I was stars I was cause and what's happening people loving it man I got you yeah yeah I got you now I seen that white card you bet I never bring the dollars cause I got something for you on that anyway that's what I do you heard what I said now you know I'm serious about it too it's jacked up right now in the garage you working on it but it's ready don't drone trip when they come down off they're gonna be ready and I'm trying to find one that I can read from scratch I built this one here from scratch that ain't nasty boy that's the colors colors that thing right for him frame up 170 in that talk ooh I got you should have let me seen it I shouldn't be let you see for real that thing right man I got 170 the thing I could say to you about the scene down here when them who was the first person you seen Pop Trump the first person I'm now yeah the first one you seen that thing pop up and come down it ain't Floyd and you probably thought it was so weird and I loved it it was I love that I'm a car fanatic I'm just saying what it did it didn't have it had a light Floyd is the person Floyd that surround by sound is the person who was first doing it Pop Trump surround by sound that's what it got Pop Trump surround by sound so I can't remember exactly the first cars that was this by the time it got to us it was already a trend that you got hey man listen and them swingers they're sticking out more now you niggas done got fly you're going to jail you niggas going to jail I don't do that one I don't go that far this thing is sticking out like this I'm not going to do that I can't do it because I think I slamming on this thing I got a new lack on the way bruh I seen the damn thing but I can't drive I can't drive it good so how do they not hit each other coming down the street it's a it's a vibe it's a way of life you got to know what you're doing it's no different it's no let me tell you something that's no different then why do they pop willies and lean on them bikes why do they do that it's the same thing you know why do they because that's why I ride on the freeway and this is what I'm thinking when I see the bike people I'm such a bad driver I wish they would stop no but with the with those cars the swingers you say you don't do it what you mean yeah I do them oh you're awesome yeah I'm saying I don't they not all one size you know you have longer longer longer isn't there a law I heard something about a law that was passed that you can't have it pass a certain amount that ain't that ain't working that ain't they still do they don't stop them I was just saying I don't do the longer ones I do them but I don't do the long how long can they come oh shit I'm saying something about G 22 now so that's like 22 inches out out you can't drive that on the road it happen they gonna drive it they gonna they gonna do I mean I'm a little bit more into I'm more into luxury and elegant and chilling I ain't man yeah the older we get that's how it is that color is right that drop they dropple say man I'm not playing about that I done seen it I don't know how do you look under the hood I don't want to look under that really is that one of your prize my prize that thing really boy which one which one you love the best that's one of my prize I put a that's it it's on TV no he thinking he thinking about it man it's on TV man ever or now now now that you have my hooptie my I got a little what I'm in okay my little Denali okay my run around is always my favorite really that's how I'm getting yeah that's how he going doing his thing that's how I take him up in so he's always my favorite the rest of him man man you spend all that money you can't man you gotta drive slow when you're going on the street you so in that color I'm so nervous about something else that can happen that's right you know what I'm saying like man when you're parking you gotta park it all the way out here I don't even park it I park right at the front you don't park it if I'm there going somewhere it ain't no it ain't no bunch it's not like a jumping in like I'm getting in it it's something happening let me say this I got to say this I'm on the stage nigga I got to say it nigga I got all that dreads and he say man that Chevelle oh you got Chevelle yeah he said that blue car that was sitting in the front of Eunix man I'd never forget that brother I said yeah nigga I knew I got you that night I'm a carfine I love them all old school man I'm a carfine when it come to like them say just like that cut that you got it's a body style thing let me tell you I wasn't really going to do that cut I was trying on a classic car scam. Really? Bro, told me up online, trying to buy an old car and man they had everything, they had the escrow account, they had the title, the whole bill of sale, the paperwork, everything, it was some Russians. They got, they made $500,000 off of it. I didn't get my money back on them. I lost eight grand. Are you serious? And so when I came back that next year I bought their cutlets from New York. And I had a transported man down there, he was like, man I'm looking at that, cause I'm like, man he's buying, I got beat man, he's like, I'm looking at the car. If you want it's the 70, I know you want a 72 but it's a 70 right here, I was looking at it cause along with trying to buy the 72 I ended up just looking at the 70 kind of liking the body style. So he was like, man it's down here, I'm in front of it. He was like, man you want me to go and get it? I'm like, man you see it, he down there with the truck. I pressed the button on it, get the car. Man bring that car down here, the whole car was a piece of shit. Wow. That 70 that I'm in right now I'm talking about, it was a, that New York had been aided in life. You didn't know that. I knew nothing about it. This was my first time in it. That rust in it? Oh my God. That rust was in it. I thought it'd be messed up. It'd be messed up. So I redone the whole car. Frame, quarters, everything, motor. I'm 170 in that thing man. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah I got the 72. And now people are always thinking, man that ain't, that's not cappin' that. Like, nah, 170 worth of 200, 500. I got a lot in mind, baby. I got a lot in mind. Hey listen, I haven't had mine a long time. I don't play by my car. Let me tell you something man, it don't take no long to get to a hundred. Now, doing it like that, not when you build it from the frame up. So I got, I'm working on some more. Oh yeah, that's it. Oh yeah, that's it. Oh, I didn't know you had that thing out in front of me. Don't do that thing like that all the time. Watch this. Don't do that thing like that. Watch this, watch this right here. My brother working on one right now. This what we do. This this morning. This this morning. Ooh, that thing right too. Watch this, watch this motor. Hey man, it's serious. Man, that boy's serious man. Hey, it's serious. The wheels right too. Ooh, it's serious over here. Say it. This, this, oh, you know, I sent them this the other day, you know. Man, that thing right. I like that white interior. Oh yeah, I got white interior. Don't trip now. You don't see white interior. Yeah, man. No, but he got a red floor. You know my favorite color, red. Yeah, he got that red in there. I see it, baby. That's what caught my attention. Boy, they won't leave you alone on the road and now when you can't drive that one, they'll wear the hell out you. And it'll be the older white folks. I ain't gonna lie to you. We got a car show tomorrow. Y'all do? We're in the city with the gas guards. It's all for Oliver. Me and this tomorrow. What time? It started about 10 in the morning. We might roll through. We are rolling through. It's gonna be out there. No, I'm coming. I'm gonna drop my car off at about nine. I'm coming. I ain't even dropping my car. I'm coming. Come on. I'm gonna come through. Me and Slim and Liz had it about two weeks ago. I took my car off that beautiful and they just re-running it again tomorrow. A lot of turnouts. Gas guards. You ready to gas guards? Yeah, yeah. They doing it tomorrow. A lot of people turn out. Hey, that's what we do down here. They got a car. How many cars? How many cars? How many cars? Be out there. No, be out there. Tomorrow, about 50, 60. That's what, you know, when we was in New York, we just stopped at a car show. We'll stop. Oh yeah, if we're driving and see a car show? I'm stopping. Car fiend, man. My family don't really know this right here. They already know when I buy them everything that they need. What y'all need? They already know a car on the way. They know that. Say, man, we gonna do this all day and we don't stop it, man. Thank you so much, man. No, no, man, thank you. And we're gonna finish it up in this time. Lizzy, man, oh yeah, you family, now that you family size, family eyes, is that a word? No. I'm gonna check it, man. Hey, man, I wanna tell y'all, I love y'all so much, man. Bro, we love you. Y'all's being invited. We love you, man. It's great, bro. You see why, right? Hey, man, thank you so much. No, I gotta say, man, we love you. Thank you for coming on the show. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss is talking. And we out.