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Yeah, I sent it over to the main thread to to Doug and and you guys and Basically, it's these little 50 gram squares that are supposed to be packed full of nutrients and No preservatives supposedly but it's supposed to have a long shelf life And they're they're literally a perfect little tiny square and you and they come in a box with like four You microwave them or you like heat them on the pan really quick and you eat these things for like a full meal It look you know it reminds me of something that you would see from like a a sci-fi Like futuristic like you know how you always see like they're like just pills now We'll never have to eat again because you know what's hard is like dealing with shapes Shit is out of control. Yeah, you know has any as nobody's seen Soylent Green I swear to God they need to make that movie again. You know that if you ever was at the drink It's a sci-fi made of people. It's you ruined it. You just gave away the ending. It's it's a it's a sci-fi sci-fi movie from way back and Basically, they live in the future and they don't eat food. They what's called Soylent Soylent red So what whatever and then when they reach a certain age They you get to go off and fucking paradise But this guy escapes and realizes that what they do with the old people is they kill them and turn them into food Grind them up and feed them. Yeah, and he's like it's so it's great Talk about just trashing this company all the way Dead bodies Minus the dead body. It just looked although that'd be really great way of recycling. So, okay What I what I what's yeah, what's funny to me is that I? Don't see much of a difference than comparing it to a bar. Yeah, like what is the difference just the shape But it's well It's a compact Doug if you were you watched it and you read it Did you is it it's supposed to be natural ingredients and almost does it say there's no? Preservatives in order to so is it supposed to be whole foods? I mean you have to refrigerate it well Here's their talking points square 8 is nutritionally balanced Subscription model natural and fresh easy to store versatile to warm up minimal waste easy to eat anywhere long-lasting okay, so so here's okay Here's the value in something like this the value is in the shelf life the The packaging and the ability to ship right so what they've done is they've taken food put it in it in a Container in a shape. That's easy to you probably minimal packing You can store a lot of it very easily and you can ship it very cheaply So that helps with margins and it could potentially help with I don't know maybe getting food to places That's hard to get to but I know that's not the goal They're what they're targeting are people who are like, oh, I gotta I'm gonna be on a plane Or I'm gonna be at school and I'd rather have late make little buildings for your GI Joe's Stack them you know what you know what you know It's funny is that they're completely disregarding and so does every sci-fi movie that shows weird pills and stuff I can't see from here. Doug. How much is it a standard meal? 650 They're completely disregarding that the the way food looks plays a very big role yeah in its palatability if it didn't All processed food would be made into very easily shipped black cat Cheetos Cheetos would be you know sheets of Cheetos that are easy for me This has to be up there with like one of the worst ideas I've seen in a long time and they're definitely there's a lot of money behind it You can tell by the way they've put it together You know what it does remind me of the Jetsons Whenever they are trying to like have these little tiny things that they just expand, you know You know in some kind of back to the future. Yeah, remember they they had that too The small pizza and whatever that thing yeah, I mean I wish I wish the best of luck and They're their ventures here and stuff like that and I apologize cuz I'm sure we're offending the shit out of the people That thought of this but what if they send us a bunch and we eat them like but the thing is you gotta still microwave it You gotta like pan sear it. I'm just like this is they didn't like really necessarily convenience still not getting a ton of food for Basically a standard price of what a meal is so it's not super cheap never underestimate the strange Consumer market that's out there. Do you guys remember that? What was that shake that people in Silicon Valley that was Soiling, yeah Me and you are like wait a minute. Yeah, what the hell they're tricking you Yeah, and at the selling point little in this is what they did they sold this to techies and That you never have to get up from your yeah. Oh man, doesn't it suck when you got to get up What a waste of time and you can be coding you can be programming and coding for your slave masters at Google whatever anyway Yeah, and people were doing this. They're like, oh man food is such a pain in the ass I just drink this stuff over there now. This is still just throw me this is exploding still isn't it Doug? I don't know. I I don't think this was a fad I think this is still pretty popular in that space that that's what I'm saying never underestimate like these pockets of markets of Weirdos like I feel like they're the ones that will look at this and be like wow That's like it's like my drink except now. I can chew a little bit I find it amazing that they can use the name soilent especially based on the after that movie and Get away with it. Well think about it You're if you're catering to techie nerds, which you know, I'm not a techie, but I'm definitely a can be a nerd like that They probably think it's cool. Yeah, that's probably true. It's like that movie sweet. Those dead bodies were treated So cool. I like my dark chocolate mint I guess the thing to me with this this other company this square eat company or what like that that I don't see it There's nothing really revolutionary about it or that different from a product like this No, instead of it being in a bottle or in a protein bar wrapper. It's in these real food. They smash it And yeah, I don't play no disc and even the way that it's you know, the whole thing is about the Shipping size on the but they sit in a fucking box is just as big as a box of a regular meal So it's not so it's in this box. It's like this big those four little squares. So what's it? What is it really saving space? They should just put it in a tube. You're like toothpaste You know just squirting your face and now you got some meat or whatever weird So along these lines. Have you guys seen the new so they pass this bill? I love it when when the government tries to improve our health by Passing bills that they think are gonna help which they never do but this new bill is gonna change how food is labeled Have you seen this? Okay, we've done this a few times. I sent this. Oh, yeah I sent this to Doug and it's not gonna work just like everything else that they've ever tried It's not gonna help but nonetheless the goal was to simplify food labeling By giving it a score right on the front of the packaging a b c d or f I think it is and who decides if the yeah, yeah That's what it looks like right there. Do you see that that picture how much money these companies have to pay to get a Better rating. Okay, so very interesting. It's not gonna. This is terrible. First of all, here's why it's not gonna work Is it passed by the way? Is this is it going into it's going to happen? The bill passed and they're working on it and I'm sure it's gonna cost this You know, I don't know how many trillions of dollars to do this, but the the it's here's why it's not gonna work one Labels don't work because people don't care. You know who cares healthy people. You know what healthy people will do They'll still figure it out. Okay, this has been proven time and time again Labels nobody gives a shit about the label. In fact, there were studies done in certain towns where they required restaurants to lay to put calories next to the foods People ended up eating more because instead of saying that has 500 more calories. It's a brownie has less calories in the cell It's also Okay, what makes okay if I'm a client right next meal Susie. This is what I want you to a eat What makes it an a or an f is completely dependent on What she's eaten already in the day and what her goals are and that could change So how I wonder how does the scoring work? What what dictates an a and what what dictates an well It's based. It's gonna be based off of what the FDA considers healthy, which is probably grain heavy It's plant heavy low meat, right low, you know certain types of fats, especially saturated fats It's all based off of that now We know as people in the fitness space and health space that they've been wrong the end like forever Like they're never right like if you follow the food pyramid it might work for some people for most it's not and These organizations or these big, you know, big food companies Partner very closely with government to oh, you know, well, yeah Make sure that ours is included in the good score because it's whole grain. It's corn after all That's a whole grain and we put this thing's made of a hundred percent corn So that's gonna be good, right or just catch up a vegetable. Definitely. So make sure you put it in the vegetable category But that's that's the idea Article because there's got to be some sort of a format that this guy does it break down Doug Yeah, like what determines in a yeah Like is it the balance of macro nutrients, is it the calorie range that it's in is it the amount of preservatives Nutrients per calorie. Yeah, like it's a banana and a or an E Like it because you know, is it what what and what makes it in a is it in a because it's a fruit and it's it's whole Whole food or is it actually an E because it only has carbohydrates and sugar and not a no protein or fat really You know, it's funny minimal if it's since the since they're spending so many tax dollars on stuff I'd love to make it like a proposition to the government. I'll tell you what you pay us One-tenth of what you spent on this will save everybody a lot of money and then we'll put out guidelines and the guidelines will be super easy Here's what they're gonna say You know, is it processed or not? That's it. That's it. Is it is it one ingredient or is a lot of ingredients? Pick that and we know that that'll tend to lead people in the right way But this cracks me up like one of the things it said was like If it says whole grain they have to tell you how much of it is whole grain if it says it's got vegetables It's got to tell you how much vegetables in there. That's not gonna make a difference. No, and no nobody cares Apparently they're already doing this in France. Yeah, really So they have this system where it goes from green, which is an A to red which is an E and then all the colors in between So this is how they're proposing it works. They call it a traffic light icon The idea might be to make the light red if it's full of sugars and fats for example or green If it was low fat and full of vitamins and yellow if it was in between so there you go so what you could literally do is take a You guys remember when we were kids the commercials for total cereal Almost three boxes a special K to equal the vitamin and mineral nutrition in just one box of total Maybe great you'll have to put away Okay, remember that You need to eat you know this many bowls of the other cereal to equal the vitamins and minerals of total right total has no fat and they throw Bunch of vitamins and minerals in there. That would get a high the hell out of it Yeah, that would get an a right multi-vitamin cereal would get an a but a stupid idea of course I This way I'm saying if this was market-based then you would see if it worked and it didn't and it would lose funding This is not gonna lose funding. It's a lot of money that goes to this And really what it is is it's favors and partnerships with really is bureaucracy It's just adding more jobs and positions that are bullshit positions to pay people. That's all this do is It's literally a gangster hustle by governments to go like I got an idea Yeah, but we know that OBCs on the rise people are dying like crazy So they will totally approve us passing not buying our corn so we're gonna pitch it as we're trying to help you make better Decisions in the grocery store meanwhile knowing it is unbelievably nuanced and individualized for everybody And that could change meal to meal day to day, you know literally it's that crazy Oh, and by the way, well, you know you guys as long as you give us a lot of money to for the my next political campaign I'll make sure that that's how we're gonna back. So we're gonna get paid to do this bullshit already Which is it's gonna mean nothing and then on top of that We're gonna hustle all these companies to get some backdoor money. It's totally. Yeah This is a hustle. It makes me so mad when I see stuff like You know and what who are all the stupid people that approve or vote for it like it's you okay Here's the thing look at the name of the bill. I forgot what it was, but it's always name Yeah Vote yes on save lives. If not, you don't care. That sounds good. It's like the Patriot Act Patriot Act You know read the read it, you know, oh, we can read your emails and wiretap you with no Jill what's it? What's it called the food labeling modernization act of 2021 We have to modernize No, we don't need to fuck Hey, we need square food stupid crazy ideas and you know Soylent dead people weird shit We're starting a real positive Well, did you like okay? You guys remember we were working with liquid death for a little bit And you know they did their hole, you know donate your blood to Satan and all Your soul yeah, right for like a box of right, right? I mean they really I mean they went all in They went all in on the like the fucking Satanism type stuff, right? Right. So did you see what they did with Tony Hawk? No. Oh, you guys haven't seen this I mean, I saw that they had a board that they're gonna self his so wait He put some of his blood in every in the paint So they drew his blood Mixed it in with the red paint and then painted graphics on the board and they sold it And then of course they were like donating to like a good cause I don't remember what the good cause was but so some of the money is going these kids Yeah, look it up. Don't do Tony Hawk blood board. I saw this this I did see this I think that's smart. I mean, it's like the little nozz Satan. It's that's it man I think it's just pop culture. They they see what's trending and they're like, oh, let's cash in. That's nothing dude Remember that girl. There was that that social media girl No, no, no, there was that social media girl that all these kid guys thought she was hot or whatever She took a bath sold the bathwater and made a shit ton of money Do you guys remember this it was like this so that's less weird to me because I know there's people that have weird fetishes with Shit like that like dirty When we talked about the panties thing and you know China with a vending machine that Doug used to always buy or For the record I did not Dugs like we love them vending machine. I mean, that's the only way we knew about it. We didn't know about it Let me test it out again. I'm just new friends I Know so I mean that's to me there's people that have like weird sexual fetishes, but this is like a what fetish is this? It's just cool. It's cool. Okay skater to get cut and bleed all the time. I mean, I think it's kind of cool It's kind of whatever. Yeah, it's different. Let me put this you got a blood bond with Tony Hawk Let me put this way you're a skating fan by the way I mean it sold out by the way, too, of course completely sold out, okay Tony Hawk's novel thing Tony Hawk's been skating and been the guy's all-time greatest right But but all think of all of us like hardcore fans now are in their 40s probably they make money And you could get a skateboard that signed by him. That's a good point. This one's got his blood. That's a good point Totally. Yeah, literally. I mean even even myself if you know I was like an older guy who used to skateboard and I die hard fan like it'd be a cool collectible Yeah, cuz you know, it's not gonna be done a bunch of times You know, I didn't go by George Lucas blood dude if he has a poster of it Weird dude, can we just say like shit is weird like are we like not allowed to even like point that out anymore? We've always like this shit's weird, dude. What what's going on? We've always been weird though Do you guys know that gladiators used to bottle their sweat and sell it? So the Roman gladiators would scrape the sweat off their bodies They would bottle it and women would buy it like at their you know people selling it at the fights And they I swear to God they would buy the sweat and it was like an aphrodisiac or whatever You gotta buy that as a dude and just like throw it on you. Yeah. Hey girls. Yeah I mean, I guess that's not that different than what they've been doing in sports forever Too where people will buy someone's in-game worn jersey and stuff like that You know, they want to they want them. It's you know, they played in it and sweated in it It's like grass stains all over it. Yeah Who's gonna say okay, who's gonna be the first person to sell their poop? That's what I want to know Come on. It's probably already been done. Sure. It has sure it. I'm sure it is if you do that You're the ultimate like business I think you're selling blood and doing weird shit like that. You probably sell Yeah, I probably sold your freaking feces, too. I don't see why they wouldn't have done that Oh speaking of like weird shit, so we literally this just happened right only fans. Oh, you're not gonna have Now Justin your theory I thought was pretty good. Yeah Well to me like everything else like it's starting to look completely like a formula Like what's to stop them from let's put it out that like our biggest Reason that people even are interested in our product and let's take that away and shock everybody, right? And then oh, yeah, I guess we should put it back Yeah, I guess we should put it back all this press around it smart. Yeah That's actually not a bad theory at all I mean that's kind of like then then is is a strategy that a lot of companies are doing now is is jumping on the The shock and off thing. It's completely obvious. We got to figure it out Yeah, did you know I read an article to that, you know, we're a lot of this woke cultures coming from with companies there's called a Eco score to Doug maybe you can help me find this I was unaware of this and it makes you it's part a part of that scoring system Makes it easier for you to take on funding and money and and so you have to be doing something to give back To the to the world all their guidelines. Yes, they're guidelines And so what you see with a lot of these companies this whole and what we call woke culture and she liked that That's because it increases this score Evo or eco score. Is it what's it called? Yeah, eco score I'm pulling this up. It looks almost like the nutritional thing that they're doing as well They have a green-to-red type of a System yeah, yeah, and nobody thinks like oh, have you seen China's a social scoring system? And we're not implementing. I just thought this was really interesting because I we used to say things like it's you know It's just them trying to be okay here. It is right here eco score So by doing this but this has more to do with the environment though, doesn't it? No, it doesn't have to be that there's other factors that play in a role in the eco So if you have a good score then it's easier to get to get funding and and investors are Specifically looking for companies that score high on this. Okay, so you have a lot of these companies. Here's a deal Okay, this is definitely market-driven. So fine And if it's really that bad then companies will probably forget the funding No, I bring it up more. I just thought it was interesting because before I thought it was more of Company we talked about Nike pandering or Gillette was pandering to you know the world culture But it's less of that and it's more related to this It's less about pandering to because remember we've made this before we've said like are you sure that's a good move Gillette? I mean that you are attacking your number one base Yeah, your number one base, but in their douchebags the main goal has to do with their eco score and getting more Funding or selling the company then it makes more sense to me that it's like, you know at that rate It's not they're not trying to worry. They're not worrying about who they're gonna piss off or not Also, I think back to what Justin was saying, you know that what's that old saying like all publicity or all negative publicity is good or all publicity is good or something like that exactly so and I think that's I Think that's definitely true to an extent like you bring a lot of attention. I wonder I think that's a smart I wonder if only fans now Because they reversed if they had this all of a sudden this surge of new customers or maybe people Who'd never heard of only fans before are reading all these articles saying oh, they're taking off I don't know they had naked, you know, whatever all right, whatever and then the next day like oh, they got it back Let me go check them out. Yeah, who knows so I have another trend We need to sell fitness programs that don't involve fitness. Yeah, fatness programs Another trend that's happening right now that I didn't know of and this is I think is fucking brilliant for people do this This is a really popular where we're at here in the Silicon Valley a lot of people are working two jobs double-dipping and not saying They're they're not disclosing that they are but because they're so full-time jobs. Yes Oh because they work at home because they're working at home There's so many people remote working that they can do this eight hour a day job in four hours That's right and they and they lie and they say it's their only job and because it's all virtual They just toggle back and forth and the only time that they comes to challenges when there's meetings that conflict Right, and they were talking about how they've got all these strategies on how your pieces Yeah, they talked about man if you can do your job, and you're doing your job Then I guess you're okay like I remember reading an article about a guy who? Hired interns and stuff to do a lot of his work, but he was profiting because his salary was higher than he was paying Well, they're talking about trouble for him like why he's brilliant Super doing everything that the company this is they were they were talking about these are one of the factors It's alluding to this wage gap is partially because of this because you have people increasing their income household income dramatically by being able to take on a second job their tumble and a lot of these jobs over here, you know 150 250 a Year type of tech job that you can do remotely and because no one's required to come in office anymore you lie and you say you do another and you Do another job and you got two of them that you're managing plus the cost of living here is Insane, I mean you said 150 you gotta do around here. That's for sure. Yeah people here 150 to 250 They're like wow, that's a lot of money. Nope. It's not around here You make 250 and you have a family, but if you and your wife have four jobs 150 to 200 ease now you're talking about 800k a year. That's some good money. I don't care where you live It's kind of obvious right that that would happen and more power to you if you've got the hustle to do that And I didn't even dawn on me that that would be something that a lot of people are doing But I guess it's actually becoming really popular. Well speaking of tests I didn't bring this up last time, but you saw that they're you know talking about in 2022 They're gonna launch this like Tesla bot Is one of the latest things like a robot dude in like Like I guess it said something around 120 pounds was like gonna be the amount of weight that it could lift and They're supposed to help you with like, you know Manual labor type of things and it's it's all powered by the AI same AI that runs their cars So it's just like okay. So now we're gonna have robots Here's the thing like robots are cool like it's always a great at like to watch on Movies and to like speculate about and all that but we have no fucking need for robots Like we just don't we don't need robots. Maybe in the the factory, of course, you know, it's like Oh, you know, you don't need in our daily lives. We don't need robots. Well, I mean what personal daily lives I don't need it. Yeah, we don't need it Yeah, I mean and think about all the jobs like a lot of manual labor jobs or repetitive jobs You know jobs where I mean I worked a job when I was in high school And there must have been I don't know 30 of us or so and we worked like kind of this assembly line job and literally I had to do something like like one move and we had they had a rotator So you didn't fall asleep because every hour or so you had you doing the same like grab this move it to here or Zip this here. I mean that was when you did the protein. Yeah. Yeah, we're mixing bags and Do you ever take a little protein just throwing well, we used to yeah We used to you know borrow this massive, you know, you know, get big old five gallon things My buddy's dad owned the company. So it wasn't like we were really stealing it was like, you know His dad was donating to his son's cause But yeah, no, I mean, there's so many jobs like that I mean and even think of when they get a skilled enough to build a house Well forget job, you know, and now you could have the homes built for really really cheap forget jobs I I think the whole like I have one in my home It's gonna be a status thing, you know Yeah, and even then that it that's maybe not even in our lifetime Maybe you know that with having a rope thinking our lifetime is not gonna happen. No, I didn't say that I said maybe not even in our life. I think it'll be a personal use at your I think within the 20 years I a hundred percent. No, I think I a hundred percent. Oh, I mean who like the Elon Musk. Yes, of course You'll have he'll have a no way do the right that these things are moving forward. Everything is accelerating Oh, yeah, you I could totally picture someone shopping at the mall And they pick stuff out and the robot grabs it for them and holds it and walks with them in the store And well, what about this one? What do you think and it was it'll look good on you. Mrs. Whatever. Okay, cool Let's buy this one too. Oh Watching too much sci-fi stuff that ain't happen at any time soon really not Start the ticker. No. Yeah started mark mark it down for me You think you're gonna have fucking robots like that around shopping with you and shit. Well, I don't know that's old school. Yeah, I mean Jones that can follow us. I think I think you'll see that first I think you're gonna see this in tons of jobs and and in the workforce One of the sex robots coming to play and then that's already that's first. That is first goes True I wonder feel on considered that making these, you know, it's like you somebody's gonna try and bang. Oh, let me look at this robot Oh, those are I mean those are not even good looking wait a minute. Those are already there It's this attachment right here. We call this the soft-hand attachment. What's it for when it handles soft objects and stuff 120 pounds of Yeah, I see it in that offer personal use Will be it'll be used in the in the in the porn space first I mean, it's already happening. That's already there. So that that is where it'll be sure there's gonna be injuries and malfunctions and That's just where I go But I mean you make you bring up the good point of like, where do we really need this in our daily life? It's not going to having a robot hold your your shopping bags for you. Yeah, it would have to be so feasible For that come on, dude You're totally listen look at all the stuff that that we get done for us now that 10 20 years ago You've been like, yeah, that's redid what you want your groceries delivered to your door. It's right down the street Oh, you know you say it sounds like I get in your car. You're gonna drive there cause gas money I park the car. Yeah, that's a big inconvenience. You know what my holding your fucking shopping bag Because that's the best example you've given that's what you think look my grandfather used to say this You know it goes. Oh, yeah when I was a kid and we started getting phones People laughed at it like you want to talk to somebody just go talk to them and then texting Why don't you just give them a call? Why would you take nobody calls anymore? It's gonna be like that, dude. You're gonna have to underestimate the Okay, so I'm not saying it's not gonna happen. I agree with you guys and eventually have a but the It will have to be so cheap and affordable for everybody to justify it Taking those inconveniences out. It's not as revolutionary as a cell phone It's not as revolutionary as a computer a car or instacart bring deliver It's not even close to that unless you can give me a better example than holding your grocery bag Alexis in in series kind of been priming us for this, you know, like it's it's like a Something you can communicate to but now it's a it's an object You know, it's gonna be like there's gonna be therapy. There's gonna be all kinds of so okay I see wash your dishes for you monologue for me. Go buy this for me. Go pick this up companion You know for some people are lonely. Yeah, can you move the couch for me anything you can think of? Don't underestimate the laziness of humans. Well, the ability for if it can wash your dishes And clean your house Okay, but I mean think of the think of what that has to be the capable tune just completely 180. Yeah Oh, wait a minute cleans the dishes. Yeah. Oh, all right. I'm in I'll buy that. Well, that's it. Hey, listen I mean, there's people because here's what you have to look at people are spent where people are spending money You go grocery shopping you put gas in your car already instacart gets it there faster You don't have to spend any money. It makes a lot of sense saves you time Saves potentially even money depending on the distance of the grocery store So super convenient not a lot more money out of your pocket I'm paying maybe two more dollars to have it like, you know to my house or not say even 10 dollars 10 dollars whatever If you are somebody who pays for a house cleaner That you spend, you know 500 bucks a month for a house cleaner on a regular basis If you can get a robot for a thousand dollars a month or whatever like that and they do that and other things Okay, now we have a now we have a conversation. I'm willing to get in here and say, okay I can see don't underestimate how much money people are willing to spend on Ridiculous things. Look at okay. Look at entertainment, right? You could very easily today in comparison to what you could get 30 years ago or 20 years ago on tv If you were to get the same amount of channels and the same amount of entertainment you could spend Three dollars a month and get all that stuff that you used to spend 50 dollars a month 20 years ago Do people do that? No, they spend 200 bucks a month because they want five million channels And all the entertainment they could okay So am I gonna lose this bet when the fucking billionaires have one of these things in their house? I'm talking about us normal people. Okay, walk around. I don't think tell me how many people don't have a $500 cell phone in their pocket. I think all the people that bought teslas or bro I mean they're they're gonna be next bro. I literally saw this yesterday Driving over here. There was a homeless dude who had a venmo. He said cash or venmo and he had a freaking iPhone I swear to god that's great and he had a cell phone like come on dude. It's gonna happen I mean it is going to happen But where the examples you guys are giving that we've made it to wear a smartphone You can get a smartphone for a hundred dollars now Okay, so the robots will need to be at a price point that the average person can make that decision And my argument is in 20 years I don't see a robot capable to clean your house to your dishes for under $1,000 Your comments are not going to age well. I'll give you another example I'll give you another example in the first walkman. I think was came out and hit the market in 1978 or 79 Do you know what the price was back then not adjusted for inflation? It was a couple hundred bucks three over $350 In the 80s, it didn't get that much cheaper Super expensive. How many kids had walkmans in the 80s dug? A lot a lot. How much was a vcr when it first came out? Well, I'm familiar with like a thousand I'm familiar with more slot. I know that this is speeding up and it's no But what I mean is it was a thousand that vcr was like a thousand bucks not adjusted for inflation So it's super expensive in the 80s to buy a vcr yet. Everybody bought one because They liked it like the latest and greatest don't underestimate dude A robot that does shit for you have a uh, you know Just two decades ago the camera on your iPhone. It would be a $2,000 camera But it's on your iPhone. So yeah, I'm not arguing any of the I'm not even arguing that the price will go down I just think there's so many other things, uh, you know, the whole argument of cars being gone and these like, uh, You know, what's it called the tube thing that you brought up yesterday like Hyperloop and and things like that and us being able to travel to the moon I just I see a lot of that before I see Adding a robot companion in your house to do stupid chores. I just I don't think that's before going to the moon Yeah, I do you think people going on the moon before they have robots helping them in the house. I do no way, dude Oh, really? No, no, that's a good. That's a good timeline. Yeah People's going to the moon. Hey, why don't you have a robot? Yeah, I like to fly the moon every once in a while Well, I mean, I think we're I you don't think so you think we're further along with having robot companions and we are 100% 100 No, I agree with uh the sal in this case you think that we're gonna have these these Yeah, before we go to the moon on a regular basis, of course. Yeah. Well, I okay. So yeah, I guess I should clarify I don't think that like everybody will be No, no, I mean there's gonna be I mean we're really close to having people traveling to the moon And we're not I mean we're not far from it became for the rich and becoming a destination I don't think you will all be on the moon and it'll become like staying at the motel six You know where everybody can afford to do it. It'll be it'll be I don't know It'll be it'll be really weird is what I think it's gonna be very very it's already getting where there's blood and skateboards that So the blood and skateboard This is another the Andrew actually sent me this video. There was a On one of those like news channels in Australia and there's like all kinds of craziness going on in Australia right now Um, this newscaster is doing, you know, so this report and then all of a sudden like it cuts and and there's this Weird satanic ritual happening That they're they're showing on live tv Like it like the producer must have like accidentally just chopped in in and placed that right on the live Stream. Yeah, just randomly just randomly. Yeah, I saw this hilarious. And it was just like satanic ritual Like a pentagram somebody up there like so it's like it was a live stream So he's like, all right, we're gonna cut to the to the supermarket that word and it's boom It's the freaking satanic ritual and everybody's watching and they're like what the hell is going on dude That's weird. That's either a big mistake or it's on purpose. That has to be on purpose, right? Like how do you mistakenly stream to stream to something like that? I mean you have to have that already like You know, and so it's it just begs the to the question like what's the the purpose of that like, what are you doing? Yeah Get me with my conspiracy Get me to start thinking Not your conspiracy. That's just what happened. So make sense of it. Hey speaking of which don't take this the wrong way But did you stop using caldera? I actually I actually just started my routine back up just a couple days during the whole covet thing I wasn't worried about my beautiful face and I did notice a fucking huge difference I did so I am back though. I started it back up yesterday the day before But I took like a solid two weeks off of my like kind of my routine. You know what it goes nice on two Beards, yeah, no, I love it. I put it all over your beard. I love it. I've noticed that too So again for me what trips me out is that I have oily skin I'm putting oil on my face and never in a million years would I do that it balances out my oily skin You know, I don't know if like I've just gotten so used to it That I that I because I feel like I would have never noticed something like this years ago Um and now that I had this little break where I didn't do it for a couple weeks I really noticed a big difference. I was like, oh shit, dude Speaking oh speaking of sponsors. I wanted to ask you this because I know you're still feeling some little bit of stiffness and fatigue and stuff Have you tried adjusting your chili pad at night? Have you tried seeing if being to warmer? No colder Oh, I'm at the coldest you can get. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I put the Because I know that the that that can help with inflammation. So I was wondering if maybe going colder But you're already on the map. Yeah. I already so I turn mine off So I have mine set to kick on at 7 30 or 8 8 7 30 or 8, which is a couple hours before I get into bed Uh at the coldest level. So when I hit those sheets, it's like it mine's so cold that I actually I I'm on Katrina's side first for a little bit And I ease I do I literally do that's why I can't do that that early Like I have to do it like a half an hour or something before bed because then that way it sort of like Like goes down in temperature with me. But yeah, like getting in bed to a cold Bed is is a little oh, it's free. So it's it's kind of funny because She loves it because she wants to cuddle anyways So when I slide in my side, it's so cold. Even me. It's like, oh god That's a little too cold at first I'll cuddle up with her and then I'm like one leg is over there Then another leg and then an arm and then I pull away and then I'm on my side Yeah, yeah, so that's kind of what the routine looks like your wife also likes it a lot warmer, right? Yeah, she does this definitely a male-female thing last night. I'm in bed and I'm in my underwear Nothing else sheets off me and I'm like more descriptions, please. Yeah, and so No problem, please. I'm some same laying on my side. No, I'm laying there and Jessica is bundled She has uh pajamas on and her robe. Yeah, so she's robe pajamas covers And I'm almost just burritoed up and I'm almost naked on the other side like such a difference in terms That's how it is. That's how it is. It has it all the way up as Almost as warm. It goes a little bit warmer shouldn't go the highest But I think she has it like 85, you know, right? Yes. It's like 85. Oh, wow 85 on her side. I'm at like what a 55 thing is the lowest on mice So I have the lowest right and she goes she climbs in the bed in like Pants socks and a and a like a long sleeve. It blows my mind was you know, although I will say this One of the number one people or types of people that have actually DM me about chili being like a life changer for them Is a women than going through menopause. Oh, yeah Being menopausal and your your core temperature heats up like crazy So actually a lot of people that have told me like, oh my god chili has been the most amazing because it actually Manages it doesn't just hold it actually manages a temperature So if you heat up or cool down it adjusts how much cooler it has to get So if you want it to stay at 70 it'll stay at 70 whether your body heats up. That's right It cools down. It works just like a thermostat inside your house. Do you guys do you guys also need to sleep with a fan on? Yeah, oh you do. Yeah, I just like moving air So I have windows open and moving air. I just leave that stale air and you know why because I've been We just have such a small room and then both dogs are in there with us as well You know with their breath Just destroying my air. So I'm just I want it moving Well, what I like about the chili is it actually has a white noise thing built into it So like if I had like if mazzi's breathing or top breathing snoring loud stuff You can turn it on like it has three modes It has like a silent mode and then it has I don't know what they call the middle mode And then it has like the white noise mode you turn all the way up It has that humming of a fan sound that I mean that puts me out You know, I want to ask you Justin. I know you live you've lived in the woods areas for a while Yeah, do you get like big ass spiders in your house? Oh, yeah, dude. That's funny. You bring it up because we Um, you know, we're getting ready to move and so our spider guy hasn't come by in a bit and literally every night We've had the biggest of big redwood spiders down Stairs and I feel so bad because it's it's always like in my kids bedroom Or in their shower and they're just like getting ready for bed Dad, you know, I'm like and so sometimes I'll make them, you know, kind of Kill it them suck. I'm like, dude, this is like, you know, like be a man, right? Like like you guys got to handle this like if I'm not here Yeah, like who's gonna step up and kill the sucker, you know, and so but you know, sometimes I'm like, okay And then they like no dad. This one is huge and I'm like, oh, it's probably not even that big And then I just walk in like oh Oh, shit. Yeah, it's big as my palm my hand. Uh, Jessica's not gonna want to hear this then because so we where we moved We're up against the foothills, uh in california like literally our backyard now You'll get some tarantulas out there. Well, stop. I'm just saying now You've ruined everything October by the way. That's stop it. Don't worry. They're they're just, you know, they're just passing through No, listen, I'm already hearing it from her this morning freaks out My daughter saved her life. This is what she literally her words your daughter is a lifesaver I'm like, what she's like, there was a spider and they're not big like the ones you're talking about No, but Jessica's a deathly. She does not like I'm not a big spider fan either but she really hates them So she's like, I've already seen two. I don't know. We might have to move. I'm like, babe We just moved him. He's gotta get a good spider guy. I'm like, we live we do we hired somebody Yeah, you're fine. Hopefully they'll take care of the whole you know, what's weird to me I uh, because I don't like I cannot stand bugs either and I'm the same. I'm we're all similar here Uh, but I like the spiders you're talking about jesson those trip me out and freak me out more than a tranchella does A big tranchella almost like because we can get in little places. Yeah, and he's like an animal I mean, he's so big that you like you see him and okay. Hold on. Exactly. I'm with you I know there's not a lot of logic behind that. No, no, no. Here's my question Hiding or like, you know, you they're not trying to like creep in You know, they're still in your house. You can't get hold on a second. No, you move along I've never seen a tranchella in in my house. But if you find one What do you do? You can't kill it. You pick it up. You pick it up. Yeah, with your hand. Yeah No, you don't. Yeah, you picked it up with your hand Yeah, we say when I grew up in in don Pedro it was with your bare hand. You picked up a tranchella We used to let them crawl on us. Yeah, I am not freaked out by a tranchella But a like a redwood spider a black wood those freak me out. They'll bite you in your sleep And it's I think it's what Justin's saying. It's that if you don't get it it goes and then you can't find it You're not and then you think about it before you go to sleep. You're like, dude, it's still here You have a tranchella in your house. You know, it's where it's at at all times. It's that big It's not like it's getting away and you're not gonna be able to find it What the fuck? Hold on a second. It's like a piece of furniture. You picked that shit up with your hands too? Like you did? Yeah, dude. No. And they move slower too. Okay, so here's what's gonna happen. Transtrasse ain't bad. They're kind of cool. If I ever see a tranchella, you guys coming over and picking it up and taking it out I'm not touching that mother fucker. I'd be more, like I said, I'm more afraid of the Redwood spiders or what happens? I was a spider killing machine. I've had so much practice, you guys. What if you spray it with hairspray? Will it freeze in place? I don't know. I've never sprayed one with hairspray. I don't know. I gotta figure out a no touch way to do it if I catch something You can take a broom and like shoo a tranchella out. It's gonna hiss at you You could literally take a broom and like shoo a tranchella out one of those redwood spiders They'll jam and go hide and then you don't know where they're at. Okay, so I had a little jump on me So I need a huge favor if you guys want to like take a tremendous amount of stress off of me And you want to make sure I show up to do podcasts and stuff Doug when you send this episode to Jessica, can you edit that part out? If she thinks we're gonna have a tranchella in the house It'll be in your backyard and it'll move on you're not in the house, dude I did he said he had a door everywhere up in dawn people. They were so bad that in October That's when they that's when they come out. Uh, you would you run over one every day on the road That's how crazy amounts. They were everywhere all the time. So it's really really calming up there where we live So every once in a while they get in your pool They get in your house you gotta think about what they do too Dude, they kill rodents and they kill all kinds of vermin, you know that are worse because they're the ones bringing all the Gross, you know bacteria and viruses and nonsense That yeah, no I don't have a rodent in a freaking tranchella in my house No, i'm sure he knows outside the beach you guys ever seen those uh, those pictures of spiders in uh, like the the desert Australia no or like the australia ones those what are they called those wolf spiders are crazy Or the camp like there's one that's called like it hangs on the bottom of the camp spider Oh, yeah, the last time we had this discussion tunnel spiders that come up The last time we had this discussion where we got into this whole how freaked out. We're all of spiders I had so many dms of people sending me stuff from australia Yeah, and there was I don't know if you guys remember this but there was someone sent me a picture of this wolf spider Like carrying a rat Like going up the wall holding a rat dude a fucking spider. That's crazy And they have them everywhere over there. You don't even know what's happening my spine right now There's all kinds of chills going up and down my spine I'm terrified And they don't have guns there. Hey real quick. I hope you're enjoying the show Let me tell you about a company that makes food for your babies That's really healthy baby food is notoriously unhealthy. 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I started training Maybe two years ago doing mostly high intense interval training And about a year ago my husband started joining me and which was great because he had high cholesterol and his position wanted to put him under lipitor But just through diet and exercise He's a cholesterol level went down and he's super doing great right now but I also start incorporating strength training into my schedule and basically Sorry short. I've gone through 120 pounds to now 135 pounds And I still want to get more goals in terms of muscle mass um, I am eating around 2500 calories a day right now and um, I went from 1350 to 2500 um, and basically I just I'm a little disoriented on how I can Incorporate my training with my husband With my strength goals. I used to train four times a day Upper body lower body split right after I train with him and that Kind of burned me out So I stopped doing that for the month of august and I've been just doing dumbbell training with him But I miss the barbell Okay, so your goal wonder your goal is to build more strength mj Sorry say that again. I'm sorry your goal is to build more strength and muscle. Um Yes, actually. Yes. Yeah. I before I wanted to be more muscle because I like the The physique of stronger legs. I mean my physique is I don't have much shape But I now I just miss the lifting heavy like dead lifts and you know squats and things like that Okay, so you're so to summarize your question is you want to gain more strength Maybe a little bit more muscle and want some advice on your workout routine. Is that correct? Right and I've been doing this for a while. It's not that I get super tired. I I can do strength training after With my husband and I know you guys say basically what you can doesn't mean you should do it Just working out makes me really happy. It's therapeutic for me. I meditate. I I think of ideas I'm a researcher so we work out. I think of experiments to do and It aligns very well with my my lifestyle Well before before we give a recommendation I think the the first thing is to commend what you've already accomplished the fact that you went from 1300 To 2500 calories and you're you're maintaining it sounds like a pretty good weight and physique is phenomenal So you're you're doing a hell of a job My question is are you you sound you're doing hit hit training three to four days a week and also Like how many days are you actually lifting uh per week? Well right now Um, let me think uh just with dumbbells. Um Like all together everything you're doing. I want how many days a week are you training weight training and like exercising? What's that look like five five days a week and of the five days Are all of them with weights or is that some cardio days or are you doing five days of weight training? So I do one Hit day, which is just 30 minutes Okay, and then the rest is mixed what okay, yeah, and your hit training is 30 minutes long Yeah, yeah Yeah, so that's that's a little long uh for hit training typically You want to do maybe 15 minutes of hit training that kind of maximizes its effects after that it starts to become more cardio like steady state cardio even though you may have the The form and the programming that looks like hit training just as you stretch it out it starts to become more Endurance focus. Here's the other thing you said you it's therapeutic for you to exercise. You'll love the way it feels Um, but you also, you know, maybe want to do less to build more muscle This reminds me of the statement, you know, I want my cake and I want to also eat it, right? Which you know what that what that means is you want to have your cake in front of you But you want to eat it when you eat it it's gone. So how can I have both? You can't you can't necessarily have both and that's okay You know pick the one that Works better for you One thing you can try is you could try to reduce the time that you do hit training So maybe don't cut it out but cut it down to about 15 minutes And then observe how your body responds My guess would be that just cutting the the hit down to 15 minutes will do a couple things One the hit training will probably automatically and naturally become a little more intense because it's shorter And two you'll probably notice More strength gains, uh from from doing so because now the body is you know, going to prioritize strength A little bit over endurance because you've reduced that time. I'll be even more specific I mean, I would love to see you run maps anabolic three days So if you like the five days a week that's therapeutic. I don't want to change that right So I don't want to tell you stop going to the gym or stop working out five days late. So let's Continue I work at a home. Okay. So let's continue working out five days a week But the way I would prefer it to look is three days a week of maps anabolic One day of your 15 to 20 minute hit training because you like it and then maybe a mobility day That would be a perfect because I love I love where your calories are at I think your your calories your macro pro. I mean you eating 2500 plus calories I see your breakdown on carbs fat and protein that looks really good So you're doing a hell of a job right now I think if you just want to build and and sculpt and shape the body more I would reduce the Intensity as far as the hit training in there I put more emphasis on full-body strength training get back to those deadlifts squats and more of a maps anabolic routine And that would be your core So that would be your three days a week foundational training And then I'd let you do a day of like mobility type of training Flow session and then on the on the other day you can do your hit training now I'm confused. Um, and you brought up your husband in terms of being like the accountability Yeah, okay. So have you guys actually ran a program together? Is this something you've just been trying to kind of help him with? I'm basically done my own research and changed my composition and buddy He saw that and he wanted to You know tag along with me. So we just do Whatever I come up with but obviously I don't have the experience as you guys do. I'm this is just out of in hobby and I feel like we reached like a plateau and then we want to have further and further strength and also If I don't wake up in the morning and wake him up and you know, get a workout down before the kids wake up I I know he's not going to do it. So I want him to keep on doing it Well, I think it's it this is a clear way to help in terms of like having a plan of action Um that he can also kind of look through himself. I know that was something that really helped Me and my wife was to finally at least like Both look at a program that we could You know both do together and that was something that like it It takes a lot of pressure off of you in terms of having to drum that up every single time and so yeah like uh to To adam's like suggestion like maps in a bog. I think would be a great one for you both to kind of look at Yeah, you know, you know mj. I I really appreciate as a trainer. I really appreciated training uh clients that were You know research minded or research focused. I have trained researchers in the past And I like it because obviously you've been trained To be more objective than I guess the average person Which is excellent when it comes to fitness because it's so hard sometimes to be objective When you mix in your own Personal aesthetic goals and insecurities and you know, we all have body image issues to one extent for another And so it can be very hard to be objective with just yourself But because you're research minded, you know, you're more trained to look at the data here is This is a great example. And one of the best ways you can learn in fitness Kind of through that lens Is to follow a template that is tried and true. Okay, and here's what you'll get from it I'm not asking you to follow maps enabolic blindly although that would be perfectly fine from my perspective I know it'll do great for you Follow the program and then pay attention Pay attention to how you feel Pay attention to the different phases the organization of the exercises why you're doing particular number of sets and reps How your body's feeling how your husband is reacting responding and what'll happen through this process Is it'll accelerate your knowledge of how to program For yourself much faster than if you didn't necessarily follow A tried and true template. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And actually what I like is that I feel like I'm my own experiment So sometimes I switch my macros and then I see my body reacting differently And that was also my other questions. Should I keep my macros the same or should I Go higher or lower. She's got a good. She's got a good breakdown. Yeah, your breakdown looks excellent I mean maybe add a little bit you go up 150 calories or something Just because you're you're gonna be now trying to focus a little more on strength that'll help you But we're gonna we're gonna send you maps anabolic and I also want to send you Maps prime to help you with mobility and priming sessions. I think also just from talking to you I think you're gonna get a lot of value maps prime is extremely valuable to people who really want to Understand how the body moves how muscles connect You know proper mobility, which is extremely valuable like you learn that And everything else is a lot easier when you learn that that part of it I would I would actually let let your body tell you what to do with the cow I think you're in a very healthy good place calorie and macro place But if you switch over to maps anabolic what we might see because one of the most common Things that we hear from feedback from maps anabolic is oh my god my appetite increase Yeah, so you might actually feel that if you do feed So if you feel if you feel satisfied and you feel good where your calories are I like where you're at so there's nothing wrong with that So I would start there, but if you notice as you start going through maps anabolic your appetite starts ramping up Feed the body just make good choices eat about eat how you're eating just more just add a few hundred more calories To that with the same balance that you have going on right now So let your body tell you what it needs to do from there There's a good chance when you start running maps anabolic that you your appetite might increase a little bit And don't be afraid to go ahead and feed it a little bit. Yeah, that's a very good sign So we'll send those two programs over to you mj Thank you so much. No problem. Thanks for calling Yeah, it's uh, you know common question took a minute to unpack that one. It did. It's a it's a common question You know, I'm doing this but I also want to get this and I'm doing that and there's no, I mean unless you're training inappropriately Um, there isn't necessarily a wrong answer. Um, so I and a lot of a lot of people are in this kind of conundrum And we how many times have we gotten the question? I want to get you know faster at running But I also want to get a higher max get bigger. Yeah, so it's like, okay You know, you can get a little of both but you can't get a lot of either and that's that's totally fine In fact, you know, you know what I used to tell clients who did this who were really into this this like Dicotomy like goals is I would say all right for three months. Let's focus on one and then the next three months focus on the other And it's a lot of fun Doing that's actually one of my favorite ways to train myself and to train Well, the only reason why I would even suggest switching or changing something off is that she's she's Said that she's had a plateau and she still wants to change her body Yeah, I mean the other part, uh, I mean, she's having great results with her husband She's having great results with herself. She's in a she went from 1,300 to 2,500 calories. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's right That's that's phenomenal and she's happy like if that was just it I would say hey stay the course things are going great for you Maybe switch up your routine a little bit or whatever to try to break through the plateau But because she's trying to change her physique, right? She's trying to sculpt a little bit different Like, I mean that's the only reason why I think there's a Purpose to like really switch her from the way she's training to like a more of a maps anabolic type of phase Otherwise it sounds like she's doing phenomenal. All right. Our next caller is Nicole from california. Hey, Nicole. How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? Good. So I will try to sum up My whole story here in less than two minutes not take up too much time So, um, when I was about six months old, I was diagnosed with spinal meningitis What did actually happen was I was in stanford hospital for about three or four months. Um, and what had happened was the disease actually affected part of my quadriceps muscle in my left leg They don't really know at this point. This was back in 1982 if it was the high fever that I hit at 105 or if it was the actual meningitis so in a nutshell, um After about four months back and forth on what to do They decided to go in through my hip and actually remove a portion of my left quad the muscle in there so In turn, I was in a body cast for about seven to eight months after that Then when I got out of the body cast at about 18 months old, um, my leg Well, so sorry to back up. I forgot about what what that happened was They had to go in through my hip and release release the quad muscle out so They had to do surgery there. Um, when I was like eight months old then put me in the body cast and then, um I was in that for a while came out of the body cast. Um, they had to do physical therapy to kind of get my leg to Function correctly. Um, get it to work and move So essentially I didn't really start walking until I was close to three years old. Um So I've been in physical therapy for Till almost about eight or nine years old twice a week. Um back and forth from stanford at this time I grew up in fremont. So it wasn't a huge deal. Um So we'd go to stanford two to three times a week physical therapy just to kind of get my leg to function properly um What essentially ended up happening was my left leg is now shorter than my right leg As well as my left foot is a size and a half smaller than my right foot. So on my right, I wear an eight on my left I wear six and a half So all growing up, um, I was in therapy. I went through multiple surgeries My last one being when I was 12 12 years old in sixth grade Um, I wore the orthopedic suit to with the lift to try to balance out my back Obviously being 12 years old my mom gave up the battle. It's very embarrassing as a 12 year old girl So she finally said, you know, I screw it. So Um, I walk with a limp my whole entire life. Um with my left leg being Very weaker than my right leg. Um, my right leg has had to do the majority of the work my entire life From walking upstairs to right. I still can't ride a bike standing up. I can't hop on my left foot. Um With one leg, there's just certain things. So I guess essentially what my question is Is I pretty much can function and do everything like, you know, I grew up playing softball snowboarding skiing You know, all the basic sports, um But there's just one thing that I just can't develop is my legs So I've worked out since, you know, I've been about 20 and I'm 39 now and I've always skipped leg day per se because it's embarrassing and I can't do it and Um, so I've always done spin class or I've hiked a lot Um, but it just doesn't develop my legs like I wanted to and I think that my upper body is really um suffering from it because It's like overworked per se because I always do upper body Whereas I think if I develop my lower body, then um, I think that it would essentially help my overall appearance and you know Kind of give me a little bit more, you know, built in in tone So That's that's my question I'll let you guys take it from there. I'm hoping that you guys can point me in a good direction or some Some ideas to help me out Yeah, what to do. What a lateral training man. What a story. I mean, you're first off You're probably a badass now. I would imagine going through all of that as a kid Uh, now as an adult, um, you're probably a badass. Am I right? Well, I mean luckily I went through it in the 80s and it's and I grew up like And I you know, I got teased a lot by my limbs, but thank god it's not right now Or I'd probably be in a world of fervor social media and stuff. So it was a lot easier. I think to go through it back then You know, my parents never they never uh, they never made it a deal. It was never really talked about It was like no you get on your bike and you go no you play soft It was it so I never really grew up with that like kind of It was it was just it just wasn't a big deal But you know, you still have it in the back of your mind. So no, that's that's uh, what a story and And yeah, I guess right you are a badass. Okay. So Here's the deal with the training with the lower body. I would avoid all exercises that involve both legs at the same time your training should be Entirely unilateral every single lower body exercise single leg leg press single leg leg extensions like single everything Everything one leg at a time, you know, uh and start with the the the weaker less dominant side That's it and here's how I would start. Nicole. This is what I would do. Okay. I would do About 15 to 20 minutes every single day of unilateral training for your legs and keep the intensity Moderate I wouldn't go super high intensity. Keep it moderate do it every single day for about 15 to 20 minutes When you start to feel like whoa, I'm starting to get strong and I'm starting to get good at this Then I would reduce the frequency down to about four days a week But I would increase the time that you're focused on the workout. So now you're going from 15 to 20 minutes To 30 to 40 minutes And when you get really strong doing that then you go down to three days a week and now you can do a full, you know 30 45 minute Harder unilateral workout, but that should be your entire leg workout You should do no exercises With both legs on the floor together. You're already doing the cycling. You're doing the hiking You know how to move with both legs. You have been for your whole life I don't want you to strengthen that necessarily. I want you to compliment Everything else you're doing with the unilateral stuff. That'll make a huge difference In what you're talking about in building muscle and building strength and it won't Strengthen some of the imbalances that you might have already developed. Are you are you training in a gym or at home? No, I actually have a PRX rack at home when the pandemic hit and I was home with an eight-year-old and a five-year-old I basically built A whole gym. I have a PRX rack. I have a sled. I have like ropes. So I do a lot of I like I do a lot of sled work. I know salya talked about like I do like a lot of sidewalking like with the pulling of the sled that I really like So I have a whole gym at home and You know and one of my biggest things is I always just wanted to be able to squat But the problem when I do that is when I squat, I tend to go to the right and my whole body goes There's I would love to see you get uh, I would I would love to see you get a suspension trainer Use this. I have one. Okay. Great. So you use the suspension trainer and actually do like pistol squats And I I'm sure right now that those are are they challenging? How can you do them? No, so I do so with the TRX I do what I do is I'll hold them and um So lunges are kind of difficult like already Obviously, I try to do Bulgarian squats and I can zoom on one side perfectly fine But then the other side obviously I'm over compensating my back is coming into play My even my neck is coming to play because everything is over compensating for that leg So I'll use the TRX to hold, you know to hold myself in place But then essentially what happens is I'm getting an upper body workout now because now I'm holding myself so stiff But I will use it to do squats to try to even out Um, you know to try to get lower, but you know, it's it's still it still goes to the right You know, it's just inevitable So don't squat Not with both feet on the ground. Uh, I wouldn't even do Bulgarians. I would try and do either pistols or use a bench Okay, so you're and you can use imagine the bench you're sitting down on the bench You have the suspension trainer also And use the suspension trainer to help you get up out of that position with one leg with one leg With one leg, okay start with the the less the weaker one and you might even have to do this at first Which is totally okay putting a pad underneath there So it's a very well because we don't want to what you don't want to do is cheat the rep Okay, so I don't I care more about you getting up and keeping your hips and your chest and shoulder square And so what you might have to start at which is totally fine Is a bench even with a cushion or something so it's a very short range of motion get strong in that range of motion Then get rid of the pad and get look and the the dominant leg the strong one Needs to mirror what you can do perfectly with the weaker one So let it dictate the training otherwise You're always going to have that that dominant side wanting to compensate when you eventually do bilateral stuff But for now Everything is single leg You start with it if you find yourself likely you mentioned like Bulgarian split squat and you cheating That's because that's a really deep lunge and that's challenging and you're you're not ready for that yet I don't need you there yet. I'd rather you do a very shortened range of motion up with perfect form Until we can get a little bit more depth And so that is the goal the way it should and and honestly like Sal's recommendation of like every day That's I just that one exercise that one exercise I'm going to get you really good At getting up off the bench with perfect form on our weaker side And if that means I got to start with a big old cushion underneath you at first That's fine We we get good in that range of motion Then we then you get to a place where you have perfect form there Then we drop the cushion and wherever you're at with the weak side you mirror that with the dominant side Now if you have to that that squat rack, uh, I would also recommend like a step up with your weaker side Yes, and so you you know, you can brace alongside the post. Uh, I know it's a little bit Uh, you know in in stable sometimes. Yeah, or real short. Yeah, you don't have to go that high and like that's where you start Um, but you know secure yourself. So you're in good posture good upright posture Start with your weaker side and really kind of dictate it Around you know, how many reps you can do with that side and then just you know frequency is everything So just just just let that leg guide Uh, you know the amount of volume that you're going to bring into the workout And Nicole what this means is for a long time your right leg is going to get an easy workout. Yeah. Yes, okay, so that means that Because the left leg is dictating For a while You're going to get a left leg workout and the right leg is going to just feel like it's going through the motion That's right, and that's 100 what we want What we don't want is you to have a hard workout in both legs because Then all you're doing is you're you're just continuing to you know strengthen that imbalance between the left leg so you got between the legs so you got to keep it A harder on the on the that's why the weaker leg needs to dictate It literally means the stronger legs and get an easy workout for a while and the second thing Is your all muscles are stronger On the negative portion of a rep than they are on the positive in other words I can lower way more weight under control in a squat than I can lift right so When you're doing these exercises The hard part will be the lift right but then when you go down Try to do it slow and control. That's where that's the big focus So that's where stability comes when you're doing that step up that adam was talking about where you're or that stand-up exercise It's going to be hard to get up and you're whole using your arms You're like oh man, this is real tough But now it's time to sit down Go down as slow as you possibly can and see if you can do it without using your hands And you might plop down at first But keep practicing and you'll notice that the negative will get better way faster than the positive does and that's perfect That's exactly what we want and I care I care about your form More than I care about the depth on the bench right now So even though we talk that you hear us talk all the time about the benefits of range of motion and that's so important What I don't want you to do is either the step up or the get up So the two exercises that Justin and I are talking about Just because you can you're strong enough to step up on a say a three foot bench If you got to turn your body and tweak it to the side and kind of Cheat it up to get up every time doesn't count. I don't want you to do that I would rather you I would rather you start on a fucking six inch step You know I'm saying like I want I want to I want to see a six inch step Perfect, I mean and like Sal saying real slow on the way down stand up perfect And and it'd be perfect form and then we just slowly increase the range of motion until You can do something pretty deep with perfect range of perfect control now. Nicole because we're talking about A large imbalance due to some you know actual structural issues a shorter leg Smaller foot and years of especially as a kid walking a particular way This means we can't neglect any muscles On that left side. So that also means Do not neglect single leg calf raises do not neglect here's an exercise We almost never talk about on the podcast. It's not a big deal But this is one I would always recommend to runners with shin splints and stuff in your case. I definitely would recommend You want to do tibialis raises? So a tibialis raise Is I literally stand on a really low like maybe like a five pound plate on my heel and I lift my toes So I'm working the muscle on my shin. This also means I'm going to strengthen abduction where I bring my leg out Adduction where I bring my legs together. Don't neglect any muscles On this left side. So do exercises kind of for everything of course make the focus The the big compound movement the one that mimics, you know, what you're going to need in real life But no don't neglect anything and don't be surprised at how quickly your body responds But frequencies your friend here 15 to 20 minutes every single day and I'd like you to throw in A mobility component here 90 90s. I would love to see her prime. Yeah Yeah, so do I do Um, I do right now. I mean, obviously it's not what you got your mobility, but I have done yoga for almost 15 years I do it about three times a week. Um, it's just something that has really increased, um You know my strength in that leg. So I do do that. But yeah, I mean some sort of More central like mobility. Okay. Well, here's a deal with with with yoga and you've been doing it a long time I would place Special emphasis on the uh, the the single leg balancing movements. Okay. So just because Like like literally that's the focus. So just because you're in a split stance, you know, like if you're like warrior I think one or two We tend to think oh, this is unilateral because one leg is in the front not it's not really unilateral because the back leg Is still engaged. This is why the Bulgarian split stance squats to you It was like so much cheating because even though that back leg is behind you It's still holding on to something and you're still engaging us, right? So what we want you to do is real pure Unilateral work meaning the other leg is out. It's not even holding on to anything. It's just the left leg So do that with your yoga as well and maps prime pro Uh, yeah, I think would be very beneficial to you. So if you don't have that we'll send that to you Because there's some movements into that. I think you'll like yoga is great, but I would rather see um 90 90 Moves done before you do the leg training and I would love to see assisted Miguel planes So I did I did it if you don't know what that is. I did a video on that on um, Instagram, I'm sorry. I meant you said the assisted way. I didn't hear you Assisted Miguel Miguel mcg il l and and I did them on I I did them on our mind pump media IG maybe and you hear me I give credit to squat university and I'm actually Talking about uh, when you and I think it's on our youtube channel mind pump tv also I talk about when you're down in a squad It's really common for someone to have their their knee cave in on one side more than the other And so that's what I'm I'm discussing with this this movement is because there's a stability component in there There's a strength and control component in there Uh, this would be a really good way to kind of prime Your hips and leg before you go into some of these exercises we're talking about now now This is now the the next things I'm going to recommend really are Adding 1% okay to what you're going to do but what we want to do also is want to maximize Your central nervous system activation And mitral chondrial health this will help with some of these adaptations So a little bit of caffeine before you work out if you don't already Probably a good idea. That's already it's already there. All right good And then and then if you don't take creatine, I think and of course this is I do I do legion I do the legion per your guys's request. I mean, I've been listening you guys for a while So I like a lot of your products like I do net and a bunch of stuff So I do the legion, but I do it. I do it usually I I don't do it every day. I'll take it maybe two to three times a week Basically because I did I felt it made me a little bloated, but which is what you have mentioned before on it Are you are you recommending I take it before? Yeah, no, you could take it take it after your workout before it's fine too Actually doesn't make a huge difference Instead of taking it two or three days a week at the full dose Take it every day at half a dose or a quarter dose I'd rather have you take it frequently And equal the same amount for the week than to take it less frequently At higher doses and you may find if it's stomach bloat that you feel sometimes this can happen with creatine You may find that the smaller doses are a little bit easier All right. All right. All right, Nicole. We're gonna send you maps prime pro if you don't already have that, okay? Oh, thank you so much. No problem. All right. Well, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much You really helped me a lot. I got a whole page of notes here All right, you guys right on have a good one you too You know as I tell you what as a as an early trainer a client like that would terrify me I mean, it's just so many. You know, but as it as a later on that's the kind of client Oh, I love I love this because there's um, and I know I I can't see her and actually but I know Uh, I know the little like I guarantee you one of the things that she what she does is she's competitive Listen to all the sport. She still does so she's probably when she's doing that weaker side really trying to muscle it up Barrels through that's right And so and she's probably shifting the left and right and she's not a not helping the imbalance In pursuit of trying to get that leg stronger And I I know I'd have to tell her like listen and that's why he was talking about the cushions Like we're gonna start with just a little six inch range of motion right now Drilling the technique Yes Is at the utmost importance here and the quality of the movement because we're you know We're so limited in terms of like making sure that we want to we want to really hone in on the right Uh type of movement. Yeah, and you know when we're dealing with And here's why we were so adamant about like Disengaging the other leg completely This isn't necessarily what I would recommend to the average person With a typical muscle imbalance, but what we're dealing with here are structural issues that can't be changed And this is an imbalance that has been trained for her entire life. Yes. Yes So so she's so good. So her body's so good at compensating with the other side that if I have her right leg touch Something else it's going to do something without her even realizing This is actually why I asked her if she was working out from home or the gym because this is actually a place where I love machines Like this with leg extensions and a leg press machine right here Uh because I can keep her whole body stable and just really focus on one side time This they in fact, I mean that's machines were originally designed for rehabilitation So this is where they have tremendous value because it's going to lock the body in a position Yeah, very fixed position and I could really just you know isolate one side of her body So that's why I asked that first because I know that to your points out like, you know, even a Bulgarian split squad or a lunge Which is considered a unilateral movement. You still got that trail leg involved and when you've been your whole life 30 years plus You've taught yourself to use that other side to help out. It's not going to be Completely find your upper body rotating. Yeah, it's hard to shut that off And just by saying hey stop using that back leg, you know, so Yeah, but I you know really excited to hear her progress. Yeah her progress. So hopefully she reaches back out to us Our next caller is Zach from New Jersey. Hey, what's up? Zach? How can we help you? Hey guys Wow, this is amazing. I can't believe I'm talking to you Uh But um, I'm calling today because I unfortunately suffered an injury about a month ago and I'm going to walk you through exactly what happened on the day of my injury But before that I feel like I should explain Um what I do for a living I am a professional musician and The instrument that I play is the bassoon cool And the bassoon I brought it here with me It's a woodwind instrument and it's in the low family of the woodwinds mostly orchestral And Playing it involves taking a big Breath of air holding it in bracing my core and then Moving wind through a small opening Um, and the opening creates resistance Um through a reed Now So that's what I do constantly Um On the day of my injury though, I'll I'll rewind it a bit. Um I was at the gym and I was deadlifting heavy now I probably was deadlifting A little too much but I had Lifted heavier prior to this and everything fell fine. I was lifting 305 Um, and I weigh 170 pounds. So I don't know if that makes a difference. Um And everything fell fine. I felt no pain. No discomfort. My form was good But I did that and I might have deadlifted I went down and wait after that Then I did some barbell rows Again, lighter weight really focusing on form And after that I did some kettlebell swings to end the workout And I felt fine didn't feel any discomfort then I went home and I started practicing my bassoon and After about an hour of practicing I felt pain down in my abdominals like in my lower ab Um and a little bit near possibly my inner thigh and so My first thought was that oh no. I I have a hernia um And I freaked out. So for about a week. I was depressed. I was like no I have a hernia. So I went I went to the doctor The doctor checked me. He said you don't have a hernia, which is a relief, but I strained my abs um Which was kind of surprising to me. I didn't even know that I would be able to do something like that um And I'm I'm basically asking you do you have experience with abdominal strains um And is it I have not lifted weights for about four weeks. I haven't touched a weight which is sad But I'm trying to heal. Um, but also Could I be bracing incorrectly? What do you think? Yeah, this is actually more common than you think It's actually okay. So first off two hold on. I want to find out what you call yourself if you play bassoon. Are you a basuner? or I accept A cool instrument by the way. Yeah, it's just yeah random very very cool instrument. Okay, so um Here's a question two questions one Who said it was an ab injury? Was it your was it your primary care physician? Yes, okay, it's probably I mean He may be right. He or she may be right. It's probably a deeper core muscle because you pulled it while Bracing and blowing and so a lot of people might not know but you're playing an instrument like the bassoon You have to create a tremendous amount of pressure In your diaphragm and the the pelvic floor muscles and all the deep core muscles They all have to stabilize to push this air through It's highly unlikely that you pulled your abs. It's much more likely that you pulled A deeper core muscle. Okay, so that makes a difference in terms of you know, kind of how we'll we'll handle this Here's the second question. Did you buy any chance? Do you wear a weight belt when you lift deadlift and row and do exercises in the gym? I do not okay good Okay, so weight belt would be terrible for someone like you because It teaches the muscle recruitment pattern of you pushing out against the belt Which is the opposite of what you do when you play the bassoon where you you brace your core It's probably a deep core muscle And you know, I hate to tell you this but the best possible thing you can do right now And it's a good thing. It's not a a hernia. Let's rest it recover Yeah, it's just to rest it and I would do light bracing exercises Light twisting and stretching exercises just to keep movement going on But oftentimes when those deep core muscles get strained they can take a little while To heal but it's not super uncommon. I mean, it's not uncommon Actually, and I it actually sounds like you just really fucking overdid it that day I mean that was a lot of stuff that involves those muscles Yeah, that involves those muscles and you just overdid it you strained it And the best thing that we can do right now is to let it completely recover and heal And then when you get back into training, um, I would actually incorporate some like very specific core training exercises like draw and maneuvers and stomach vacuums and exercises quadruped Yeah, specific to that and then knowing that this is your profession and you require so much of this this core strength Is kind of being aware of that. Hey, if this is a day where I'm going to be practicing for an hour on the bassoon It's probably not a good day to also be doing my kettlebell swings my 350 pound deadlift and really getting after it if any and especially when this is your profession Um, and I know you have obviously fitness goals too, but if I was your coach, I would say You know, hey zack, you know today. We got, you know a show for an hour. You're going to be playing the bassoon Let's not do 300 pounds of deadlifting today and your kettlebell swings Let's do stuff to prepare you for your show tonight and make sure that you you're strong and healthy So I think you just overdid it also, uh, I can tell you didn't follow any of our programs because rarely Will we put deadlifts rows and kettlebell swings in the same workout? That's a lot of Lumbar, you know stabilization required in one workout. I if I'm in a deadlift I almost Depending on the client, but for most people I don't also do Lots of swings in that same workout. So pick one or the other Rows can sometimes be okay after deadlifts, but even then I often do a supported row So we'll explain what you like. So what he's saying. I think you more layman's turned like you're two You have a a heavy loaded hip hinge movement So you're gonna fatigue that and then you go to an explosive I mean, you you're asking for a potential injury right there I mean, that's like that would be like doing really heavy squats and then following it up with like some ice skaters Or explosive jump boxes like well anytime you do anything Explosive under fatigue if you've already pre fatigued, uh, you know that muscle group it exposes Yeah, a potential for straining or you know some type of further injury to occur Here's a couple of movements that I think might be okay for you to try. Okay You can try pelvic tilts on the floor Just to just start to engage the the pelvis and start to get some and that's a very easy exercise You lay flat on your back your knees bent you'll have a natural curve in the low back and then just Tilt your pelvis so that your back your low back flattens against the floor And then let it arch and then flatten and then let it arch. Okay another exercise would be quadruped Where you're on your hands and knees you extend your left arm out and your right leg back We have youtube videos on all these by the way, so we'll make sure we link these In the show so quadruped would be another good exercise And then lastly and again test all these out before you go and work them Okay, so the ones i'm recommending they still might not be appropriate for you if they don't feel right But the other exercise i would try with you would be a counter rotation exercise So you can get a resistance band anchor it to something Hold the stand up tall hold the bank close to your body of press Yeah, and then just bring it out in front of you so it's a little bit more You're not twisting or anything. You're just It resisting a little bit of the road. I think just and i did a I mean let's put them on a program I mean i think when you're feeling better and healthy maps performance sounds like with the direction of the The movements you guys are training him in and I think he'd get great benefit from totally Zach, are you have you followed any of our programs before? You know, I I have maps aesthetic But I purchased it before I really knew about the right order of things So I haven't followed it completely yet. Okay. All right. Well, maps performance would be actually adam I was a great recommendation. So once you're able to get back into training I would go or more maps performance and you know, be very careful with Exercise order. I mean if you follow our program, you'll be okay for the most part, but always be very careful I know sometimes people They they don't understand the nuances of exercise programming like like I said I almost never would have someone do a kettlebell swing And a deadlift in the same workout. There are exceptions to that But almost never would I do that what the average person went on to go play the bassoon all night long too So I mean you literally I mean I mean you I don't know too many people that would have Done all that and not actually strain and hurt themselves I mean the fact that you Train the bassoon and you probably train core more than the average person You probably handled it better than most people would have it could have been really bad for somebody Dude, can we just get like a little taste? Can we get oh absolutely? I want something. I want to hear hear you play. Don't get hurt. Yeah. Yeah I hope the audio is okay with this, but can you play something like metallica or something? Adam has a bong that looks just like that by the way Except adam's bong is bigger to be on We've all hit it Oh, let's see. This is what it sounds like. All right, let's hear it All right Oh That's right, you know, that's good. I like that sound is that so is that the instrument that's played a lot when you hear that kind of ominous music In like movies and scary movies and stuff like that. Is that what do you think they use? Oh, definitely. Yeah, right. It sounds like John That's awesome Thanks, man. Hey, we're gonna we're gonna send you over maps performance. Okay Thank you so much guys. No problem. Awesome. Thank you Zach. Keep rocking, man Yeah, I will say this Justin probably knows certain instruments, especially some of the classical instruments They actually require a tremendous amount of like muscle control and a lot of breath work It's pretty demanding. Well, isn't that isn't that pretty in all like, uh, would read Would read like instruments, right? I mean, I mean I tried to play the saxophone when I was a kid and I remember How much like, you know, you strength you have to have in your cheeks and you're able to hold your core like Yeah, Ethan plays uh trumpet and yeah, it requires just a whole lot of pressure Oh, yeah, I played the trumpet and I remember that but you know what it's almost all instruments Even the guitar like if you've ever I I literally practice the guitar for like a week and I remember my fingers were You gotta build calluses. Yeah, so totally its own skill Yeah, I mean great. I mean, I think it was you sal who pointed it out. I mean, uh I that actually didn't that triggered didn't even go off for me when he said the exercise order. Yeah, holy shit Yeah, you heavy ass deadlifts rose and then kettlebell swing. Yeah, talk about Fatiguing the shit out of the core. Yeah, and then going and doing an explosive swing Like I mean and then he could have been okay, but then he pressed it even further with the bassooning all night long Yeah, this this is just highlights that the importance of exercise order exercise order and programming It I know some people are like, what's the difference and it's all the same exercise in your work No, it makes a huge difference This is the difference between an effective workout and one that is not effective oftentimes They have the same exercises in them and you look at them. You go. Well, this one has squats This one has squats. They must be the same No, they're not the the programming makes a huge difference You know, this is this is actually kind of cool that we we got a quote, you know It's such a unique question like this because we always get questions about could you guys explain how you Write your programs and this is why it's so difficult to explain because This does it's not like we go. Oh, there might be a bassoon guy who's gonna be playing It's just that there's some very there's general rules like always thinking like that You wouldn't want to put those things back to back in an extra. It doesn't mean you couldn't It doesn't mean that it's wrong necessarily But you know, this is where the experience thing comes in as you think about stuff or Man, I don't know if I want to fatigue this muscle and then do this and then go fall with that So we take into consideration all that stuff when we put the exercises in the programming So there's little nuance things like that that are hard to explain when you're talking in general But when you get a very specific question, that's such a great point It's exactly how you know right away like you didn't fall out of our programs because that wouldn't happen I would never write one like that. Yeah Our next caller is way from australia. Hey, what's up way? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? So my initial question I asked included but was not limited to whether I should begin looking for a different coach Who was qualified up to the standards and so far as my goals were concerned So like my current coach, I feel like does not really Possess the apposite knowledge regarding diet and fitness in the academic sense Um, yeah in our most recent check-in I interrogated a notion about time under tension and like high tempo and virtually all of my exercises Um Yeah, so I just wanted to know what you guys thought perhaps you guys have like an abstract idea of Um, where the preponderance of studies lie in regards to the efficacy of time under tension for building muscle Okay Now what what are you hiring this coach for I've seen your original question that you sent us that it looks like Yeah, we're trying to compete in a physique competition National classic disease. Yes. Okay. So you got yourself a coach that trains people to compete, correct? um He has like regular clients, but he himself has competed. So I thought that you know with this with this like combination of experience and like Um experience on stage and experience with other clients. I thought, you know, we might be well together Well, I tell you what way so something I learned when uh, we started mind pumping. I started working with adam So adam Obviously a trainer lots of experience like I had uh training everyday people but also competed as a pro And I can't wait to hear what he says, but what I got from working with him was Holy cow. There's a lot more to competing than Just you know working out in diet that I would have never known because I didn't have the experience Coaching other people to compete. There's a big difference between coaching yourself And coaching other people. Um, so I'm going to defer to adam because this is something he's very experienced. Well, first of all Because you're asking a question around time and attention and we can get into all that detail But I'll tell you right away that uh, a majority of The coaches especially online coaches in the in the bodybuilding space are pretty terrible Um, even the ones that have tremendous experience pros even the ones that have been on the olympia stage like You know a lot of these guys, uh, they have figured it out for themself What they need to do to get their bodies to where uh, you know, where they can win a show That does not mean that they are good at coaching another person nor does it mean they know probably the healthiest And smartest approach either So if you have to if you're already questioning, uh, his knowledge or what he's telling you you're you're probably your gut instincts are probably right He's probably Not very good at what he's doing because a really good coach if he's telling you no don't do this or hey You should do this should also be able to back it up on why we're doing this from a science perspective I mean so And here's the thing too you have to keep in mind that Uh competitive bodybuilding is a sport. I know some people like to argue that and say it's not. Yes, it is it's a sport And so it it's not healthy technically for you So there's going to be some things that are conflicting with Science that supports the healthiest or the best way to do things also. So there's this is a bit nuanced, right? It's not as cut and dry as like here's what the science says And so this is what you should do. Well, you know, you're you're playing a sport and You know sports aren't healthy for the body. And so sometimes you're doing things to manipulate the look of your body More so than following the science on what the science says is the healthiest or the best Approach so that it is a bit nuanced with that But I would be really weary of of somebody who you're already questioning You know their ability to explain to you what it is What is it specifically that you want to know about time under tension? What's your question around that? What is he saying to you and what would you like to hear from us? Um, so from what I've gathered so far like Studies just indicate that as long as you're controlling the weight on the descents Um, it will contribute as much as you know counting the seconds You're counting down the second. So he has like he asked me on like three second four second eccentric on like my compound movements. So like on the squats, I'm lifting Like more than say like up to or more than 60 of my one rem max, right? And um He asked me on like three seconds three second eccentrics for more than like eight reps So I found that it might have impaired my ability to recover a little bit As well as might have availed in like the development of pain in my knee Okay, you're the you're it just might be look you might be doing too much Yeah, as you say, it's probably more likely his training protocol on how much volume You're doing is probably hurting you more than manipulating the tempo because you could play with eight Go ahead. All of my workouts exceed like the two hour mark. So sometimes I'm Okay, so there's your indication right there right there So here's a here's a here's a big issue that I've seen with coaches Is that they are they they work in a world Where the majority of the people that they work with and train around Are enhanced by performance enhancing substances, which really they greatly increase your recovery and your ability to train hard and long And you're natural you said you're a natural He knows that too knows i'm an addict Yeah, I know they know that but they're so they can be so skewed in terms of oh no He can handle this or you're young or you're working out or his knowledge is coming from his personal experience I don't know if is he natural Uh, I question he he was kind of dubious about it, but I think he is probably he's probably not natural himself And he's he has like bangs popping out of his like quads and like this all over like from his head to toe So here's here. Here's what we're going to do is i'm going to i'm going to send you our our maps aesthetic Program just follow that that is actually inspired By the way, I used to train my body to get me all the way to the professional level And by the way, I was on drugs So and I guarantee the volume is nowhere near what you're doing right now I didn't train two hour training sessions in the gym, uh, even when I was on High doses of pedis and a pro men's physique athlete on year number four for me I wasn't even training like that. So The the idea that a natural athlete Is training in the gym five to seven days a week for two hours a training session And then you're also giving me feedback that your your your knees hurt and shit. Well, yeah, no fucking shit You know your your hammer and the shit out of your body and the the recovery process And the amount of volume you're doing is extremely important to your real results and if your joints are talking to you It's pretty obvious to what's going on and it sounds like he's not well versed enough or experienced or educated enough to be able to Explain that to you that that's what's going on but it's pretty obvious to me that That's what's going on and it's less to do with What what the research and literature says around time and retention what's better and not better I could make you do eight second squats and not hurt your knees But I also know that if I am going to increase the intensity On an exercise by slowing down the tempo I'm going to also modify your training elsewhere. So I don't overdo it somewhere else So and it sounds like he's probably not doing that So it doesn't sound like he's a very good coach We wrote those programs maps aesthetic with the intent of helping somebody get ready for stage And so that you know, we're going to send that to you for free So you'll have it and you can literally follow that for a week and get a feel of what the volume Of training that you should be doing compared to probably what he's got you doing in way in maps aesthetic There's uh focus sessions which allow you to individualize the workout so you can focus on your weak body parts Okay, so I follow maps aesthetic as it's written out Do focus sessions for one or two body parts that you need special attention on As far as diet is concerned Here's where it can get really tricky because especially pre contest diet or diet leading up to a show This is where it can get a bit tricky I would look at the network that lane norton works with because the coaches that work under him or the people that are associated with him They do it the best way. They don't they don't go into the the fads and the trends and the weird shit They do things that are science-based that are as healthy as you could possibly get While also looking great on stage So look in his network for people to work with nutrition and then just follow maps aesthetic I I would not listen to this coach anymore because wait, wait, what's your what's your instagram handle? uh shredded bail shredded ba le No space or anything. Okay. Yeah, I got you. I got you. All right, perfect We'll take care of that 40 and we'll send over you maps aesthetic. Okay All right. Cheers guys. All right, brother. All right. Thank you. I wonder what his favorite protein is Oh my god I tell you what you got to love though. You know, um This idea that I can't this is nothing to do with the the science around time and attention I was doing freaking way too much. Yeah. Yeah. I mean It's great that that was a gave him, you know, the Clued him in on the maybe this guy doesn't know what he's talking about but The having him do three second five second eight second two second. That's not the problem Yeah, that's not the problem here at all. He's just trying to do his own research now to kind of figure it out and piece it together He needs to find a coach that can just really point directly. Like here's what we need to do. This is so unbelievably common I mean, it was what motivated me to so I had no intentions of Coaching online. So when I first started Competing and some of that it was literally for what we were doing It was the goal was when I got into competing it was Can't I'm going to show the world the social media. I'm going to build a following to show people I know what the fuck I'm doing That is going to give me a network of people and then I'm going to sell them this app that Justin I were building obviously that never happened But that was the goal I a business a literally a six-figure business fell in my lap Because it was so fucking easy to help all these people that were competing because there's so many bad fucking coaches Terrible there are so many coaches Who because they got on stage themself and even or got to the pro level or even got to the olympia stage That all these young kids that are aspiring to be like them just assume That they got to know what they're they know what they're talking about and many of them don't know shit They they know enough to get them to that and honestly Most of them the two biggest factors that have given them their success is their consistency Because if you do any even it we've said this before on the show right a subpar program done consistently is better than a superior program done Inconsistently and if you made it to the olympia stage if you made it to a pro you have unbelievable discipline The discipline it has taken anybody. I don't care what level or what your natural gifts or how much drugs you take That that is the number one factor and then the second one is drugs You're taking so many drugs that you can get away with poor programming You can get away with poor diet and you throw genetics on top of that and makes it even even crazy I've seen I've seen some of the craziest recommendations Workouts terrible the diet stuff that I've seen some of these coaches recommend. Oh, yeah Downright real damage. Oh downright dangerous and then I'm not an expert on you know How you should use performance enhancing drugs? But I know enough to when I've seen some I've had people show me and I look at the stuff and I go Oh my gosh, you're an amateur. What are you doing taking These insane combinations of drugs my coach told me, you know, I saw this one girl She was on enough Hormones to I mean she was transitioning to become a man. She didn't realize it She thought she was just trying to get on stage. 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