 Awesome. Thank you so much, Eureka. So I'm Linda and I did help, co-found help, and I invited today, a lot of you know me probably, if you attend the series, you know me from these, I'm doing the technical help for this series. But today I have with me three people who are integral to the creation of the series, who were there at the very beginning. And we're going to talk through the how we did it, like why we did it, how we did it, and then what the future holds for the help webinar series. So to kick us off, those of you who, if you're not familiar with the help webinar series, it is now available or it has been available for a little while on YouTube, and we will send out the links as well along the way. But it's a webinar series created by the North Carolina Library Association's Government Resources section as a way to help educate both government information librarians and non-government information librarians about government information topics of a very wide variety. And so today we're just going to go through and give you a little bit about how we did it. So introduction and how it came about. I'm going to hand it over to Jennifer Barron who's been talking about our origin story. Okay, yeah, I agreed to do the origin story because I was the secretary treasurer of the executive board of GRS at the time. Linda was the vice chair and Mimi was the chair. And this really came about at a January 2010 executive board meeting that we did over a video conference service called Dim Dim that we had all like frankly forgotten existed, I think when we dug up the notes. No longer is a thing, but it was at the time and there were a lot of parallels I think to the situation that we're in today. We were dealing with some economic fallout from the recession. People's travel budgets were of course frozen or non-existent. We were a pretty small section. NCLA was dealing with some budget shortfalls and we were facing down sort of how do we sustain this section? How do we grow the membership when we're expecting a lot of government documents librarians are going to retire and those jobs are not going to be replaced? Someone else is just going to take over that position. So one of our first orders of business as the new incoming executive board at our first conference call was how do we revitalize the section? We were looking at the time at doing a lot of like in-person trainings. We were pricing out what it would cost to rent rooms in different places around the state and it was not a great answer that we were getting from all of those places. So we hit pretty quickly on the idea of virtual programming of some kind. How could we do some virtual meetings? So do you want to talk about Brian and Linda? Sorry I can't find my unmute button. So our first webinar we actually it's interesting looking at the notes. We started planning for this more than a year in advance before we actually did the April 14th webinar. But the first webinar was with Brian Akunin who is a librarian at East Carolina University and she had given talks I believe Mimi can jump in here on this but given some talks around the state on basics of government information and so we asked her to do our first webinar to introduce people to the basics of government information. This is one that is on our YouTube channel and you can look at this one. It's a nice introduction to the the branch's government that maybe some people in our government might want to actually look at but it really was a great way to start out our our webinar series. I think we picked on Brian because she was she knew it. She knew she'd been doing it and she knew how to talk about it and she knew the things that how to start off not to go off in the weeds or anything but how to get those basics and so she was tried and true and so we asked her to step up and be our say getting picked exactly but our expert to start us all off. And I was putting in the YouTube channel or in the chat the YouTube channel if you have not seen that you can go there and see YouTube. So this is the first session it again it was the basics a general overview of government information looking at the three branches of government again it is a great one if you have it's for basic government information literacy if you have an info lit class and American politics or history anything like that and want to talk to students about the branches of government information you can look at this and it'll give you an idea of how to teach that in an effective way. So there was also the question of what do we call this series and Mimi I think you're going to talk a little bit about this one. We did some brainstorming so we used to call it and we wanted a catchy title because as Linda said we wanted this not to just appeal to people that had already been doing government document information librarianship for a long time or had just been handed it formally. We wanted it to be used by anyone who is winds up trying to figure out that great morass of information that comes out of the federal government. So we played around with sudden government documents librarian. I think at that time there was the book help I'm an accidental tourist that come out and so that started creeping into our talk. We had some you know at that time there was some difference of opinion about whether it should be called government documents or government information because we were moving from being mostly print documents to into more online documents coming from the the at the time government printing office which is now the government publishing office everything changes. So we settled on the government information librarian and I think I was the one that pushed to have the help in front because I always feel like I need more help than I've got and I like the exclamation point because you know we just sometimes I think we all feel like we're dangling out there and somebody comes to us with that question and we're just deer in the headlights. So we wanted to be that that organization that helped wipe that look off the face you know at least you know something about it even if you don't know the minute details you can kind of wind your way and find what you're looking for. Awesome yeah and uh that uh I like exclamation points so that's where the exclamation point but the interesting thing too is that it's become kind of known as help because it's too long of a title I think so there's definitely been a shortening over time to probably just more help and I've seen a lot of mutated versions like people will call it help government information series and things like that or I think somebody called it a data series one time too nicknames are fine yeah yeah the content that counts um and so this was really it really wasn't supposed to be a series though that was the interesting thing it was going to be a one-off as a way to replace our in-person meetings that we had done in off-conference years or our annual conference or sorry our our state conference is every other year and so in the off year we would do a GRS a government resources section conference but we just couldn't do it that year we couldn't figure out a way to do it and so we were this was meant to be a replacement for that but brina um who who was the first presenter said that she would only agree to do it if she we would make it a series um so that she was the one who really insisted that we create a series um and keep it up um and so that uh that that it became a series it was the idea that maybe would happen for about a year um but instead it's been going on for quite a while so um thanks to linda yeah we're keeping it going all right time yeah and all of our presenters who are very excited to do it so we're going to talk a little bit about um the logistics of it and how we actually keep this going and in the ways that we've been able to do it for so long all without any budget or any staff or any other kind of support um we've seen every time virtual platform changes dim dim as jennifer mentioned was our first platform um that we met in um and it was a cloud-based task management system that was um introduced it was actually introduced in 2011 right when we started the webinar series um and then just discontinued in 2014 um we also used blackboard collaborate uh for a long time um and then in 2016 uncg where i was working switched to webx um and the interesting thing there for uh from a data management perspective if you want to get into that kind of stuff um is that we we were linking on our website to all of the blackboard collaborate recordings rather than having a platform to actually put them in so we weren't linking we were just linking out to blackboard and when uncg switched to webx we were going to lose all of our links um and all of the webinars that we had recorded so i had to go through and download every single one of the webinars which are already about that time we probably this was probably five years in um so we had what's five times 12 60 yeah so we had at least 60 around 60 webinars that we had to get out of blackboard collaborate um and make sure that we didn't lose them and a couple of them did get unfortunately lost um in the process there was one in particular i can't remember which one now but that i wasn't i didn't get it out um for whatever reason uh so that migration was why we ended up creating the youtube channel um just because it was a place that we could actually assure that we would put these um the recordings uh that wasn't connected to a university's um instance of uh webx or blackboard or whatever um but the difficulty there that's always a challenge right how do you manage that kind of um migration uh especially when it's all volunteer organization we're all doing it on our own time um blackboard collaborate the interesting thing too with that one and webx as well is that there was a lot less uh fewer people who actually knew how to how to use those systems um so we had to do a lot of practicing with the presenters at the time a lot more than we ever would have to do nowadays i think especially since covid um and people had to give me their power points in advance and i had to upload them into the system and that could take i think michelle your power points in particular sometimes took a long time to upload into the system um and make them available through the system uh so that that has definitely we seen it get a lot easier to do these kind of virtual um webinars on the fly even um it's it's gotten so much easier since i just wanted to add that in my notes i found your detailed instructions on um illuminate checklist oh illuminate that was the name of it go well it says illuminate and then it says if using blackboard make sure room link is available so somehow they must have interconnected yeah very nice detailed instructions for the person to um be able to actually do the program so yeah thank you again for making sure people had that level of detail in order to be a presenter and that's what's the interesting thing is that you had to have that level of detail at that time to be a presenter whereas now it's just so much easier um the software has changed and it's just nothing like we i've even forgotten we had created those um uh those instructions that a friend of mine and i created those instructions for two different webinar series so um so yeah it's gotten a lot easier which is really nice um in terms of the the workflow uh some people we thought some people would be interested in that um the way it works now is we do a recording with Webex meetings i taken in Camtasia um and then within Camtasia uh edit out i used to do heavy edits um a lot of downtime added trying to get it into a smaller package um and lately at now i just um added the very beginning and maybe some of the end um and leave the rest of it there um so i bring in the Camtasia um edit a little bit and then convert it to an mp4 and then we posted on i posted on youtube um and make it available that way um in addition i've got backups learned my lessons so i have a locally saved uh mp4 and the question now we need to start thinking about probably is where to actually archive at the the mp4 files which is a question that if in an organization like this where we don't really have one place that we keep everything how do we manage the backlog log of that um uh so and then the other part of the workflow is the actual webinar organization um for the first few years i think i'd mostly people would come to me in that and say that they were interested in doing things and because there weren't that many webinar series grs the help was pretty much it for a long time until fdlp started doing some um we had a lot of volunteers we had a lot of people who really wanted to get in there and do a presentation um and it's not that we don't have volunteers anymore it's just that there are more venues for this kind of content i think um a little bit more competition um not competition uh collaboration points there's other opportunities that people have and so our workflow has been um has had to change to accommodate both that and also the fact that i i knew that i wouldn't be able to do it it wouldn't be sustainable if i just did it by myself um and so i wanted to create a way that they make it sustainable and one of the things we i did was to create a trello board um which if you've never used trello it's a really great tool although i think they're having connectivity issues today so they actually crashed this morning um the entire site but we used the trello board to uh as a team propose topics um and you can see the the the workflow so it goes from left to right on trello board that's how you generally do the workflow the first four uh column is going to be all of the just documents for everybody second column are ideas third column schedule webinars that are scheduled fourth is webinars that are finished so just move these little these are called cards the little um white blocks and you can just move them along the trello board as you get um go through the process of scheduling and doing a webinar and it also helped me get keep track of the recordings and to know if i had actually had uploaded a recording or if i was kind of delaying on that um we also within trello you can create template cards so you can have a template and this was the template i created so that we could um anybody could go in and schedule a webinar um usually this was michelle rebecca or rene who's also on the call and can talk to this um but this allowed us to make sure all of the information was still there and it was there in the template for what we needed in order to be able to do the webinar um so someone can go in and create a template create a new card from this template and add in information about the presenter the abstract all of that schedule a date um and then there's a checklist very detailed checklist for everybody who is part of that webinar to go through and confirm that they've done those parts so that's um you are welcome this is a public trello board so y'all are welcome to go see this if you want to um i love it it's great tool for managing workflows between in a team um and i think it's uh it's been useful for us and i can put that um i'll put the link in the chat did anybody want to talk about this or have a comment on this i'll just say that i found it tremendously useful for organizing each section i got into this because i became uh uh do we call them chapters a section i became a section chair after linda and uh maybe two people after linda anyway all the details are specified so all you have to do is fill in the form and it's a very clear process for organizing everything and i think that's the key thing for making i think people would say let me know what you need or what you need help on um for organize a webinar series but unless it's spelled out in the detailed checklist um and i think i had read i i really think this is true i read checklist manifesto about the same time that i created this and there was like well let's make a checklist and then tell them what to do um and it works it works really well um to keep teams on a on on track and um i use it all the time in my current job which is mostly project management so um it's been super helpful in my life except when it crashes like this morning and if you're interested the i just put it the link in the chat so you can take a look at that as well all right um the next fun topic is recruiting speakers i'm going to pass it over to michelle on this one is that right or maybe not yeah so um the reason that i'm involved in presenting today is because i actually have a distinction i think of having done the most presentations during this series i've done six of them uh and i i think i was involved pretty early on maybe not in first year but in 2012 i think that was the first time that american fact finder got a new interface so um after i did that one i kind of always had the series in mind and so if i thought of a topic that seemed like a good one for the series then i would reach out to linda and say hey somebody should do this or it was almost always originating with a topic rather than a speaker um i think that we have had terrific luck in finding speakers for particular topics and i think that the series has been a great opportunity for people who want to learn a particular topic to actually volunteer to teach it because you never learn a topic so well as when you plan to teach it to someone else so that's always been sort of my strategy in recruiting speakers we occasionally have had difficulty communicating with some people um i'll i won't say who but uh there was a federal agency that we tried to recruit for a topic and they kept saying they were going to get back to us and they never did so we eventually gave up on them um but there were some folks who you know just because of time they couldn't do it and people were pretty comfortable telling you upfront that it wasn't going to work out for them to do a particular time so often what they would say is well i can't do it now but maybe i could do it six months from now and so we would write then and they're schedule all right you're gonna do it in april and we'll get back in touch with you in a few months and settle on a particular date that was always my experience as a speaker i would uh think of a topic and talk to linda or linda would reach out to me and i'd say i can't do it until the summer so all of my three on different legal research topics were like me and june because i could never do it during the school year but linda would be like that's okay we're booked like eight months out you know we're so far out because everyone wants to do this so um ended up working out really well but uh being flexible i think with the speakers really helped um it was a very welcoming option to be a webinar speaker for me it was one of the most nerve-wracking presentation experiences not because the people were unfriendly but because the audience was so diverse and you know talking about legal research to sort of public and general academic librarians or they're both libraries that i've worked in before my career as a law librarian so i know the types of questions that people are getting in those libraries and i know it's frequent and it was just very intense to try and distill you know a year's worth of legal research instruction in the law school setting to this different audience it was super rewarding but also just incredibly nerve-wracking but a lot of fun too i always enjoyed presenting to ncla i know i asked a friend of mine at work um jane johnson she's an incredible genealogist to be a speaker and for her it was a different experience because she was usually um um looking at all kinds of different platforms and all kinds of different materials and to ask her to narrow her focus down to basically government information um she had to do a little work to recraft what she usually talks about but i think the more she looked at it the more she realized that she might not have realized she was actually using government information yeah um you know second generation or second level or whatever um and so i think she really um liked doing the series she had not done anything like that before but she's an incredible genealogist so she she fit right into the series awesome and there's been a few like that where um uh some of the health topics that we had which initially they were like what a government oh okay yeah like we can do this you know so yeah it's been a few like that may have been a little bit tangential from government um information traditionally defined but um definitely connections in there um yeah we should we have a few people who are kind of getting up to be the five timers club if you know s and l um i think michelle uh jennifer you've done three or four now this is number four if we're counting this one yeah the meta presentation about the presentations yeah so i got four oh i don't think i was counting this one oh yeah nice and jeremy derrington is another one who's presented a lot so we we have a few people who are repeat speakers and he made a joke at the last one about how i tend to strong arm people into webinars um are presenting but it's not strong on arming that so much is helping people to i think think through topics that they could possibly present on so um if you are interested in presenting please get in touch with us this is how she does it folks yeah yeah it's it's recruitment um all right so we're gonna talk a little bit about the impact um of the series we've definitely seen a wide variety of impacts i think um people have talked about it um in different ways but michelle i think you're talking about this in a little bit yeah so i started collecting not statistics exactly but um information about what we were doing in the series when i became the section chair and one of the things that i was trying to think through was the distribution of topics that we had covered so i made a little spreadsheet and went through all the past topics that we had offered and distilled that into broad categories like federal agencies and data and stuff for the public which clearly was totally subjective and different categories applied um but over time what we came out with um were some top categories of um the kinds of topics that we covered so there were 30 sessions on data 20 on the executive branch 15 about international topics 14 about federal agencies and 13 for the public um i think that was up through this the october session um i also wanted to mention for one of my sessions i must have been coming up on uh reappointment and so i went through my registration list and actually added up how many states people were from so that particular time in oh this one was actually offered in 2011 so that must have been my first one there were 133 people registered from 37 states and provinces so our impact is really not just within north carolina but across two countries and then with the advent of loading the recorded sessions onto youtube we gained a whole nother way to keep track of statistics so what you're seeing in the slide here is a view of what linda sees when she goes into our channel administration screen so you can see that we've had more than 22 000 people almost 23 000 people view the recordings um i know that when i was teaching the government information class at the library school here at unc regularly i would assign some of these recordings for people to watch for particular topics um depending on you know what i wanted to do with those topics i might view the video several times myself so i know that we have repeat views in here from both professionals and students when i was writing a recommendation for linda for the series an award for the series last year i jotted down some uh information about views for particular recordings and i wasn't so much looking at individual titles as just how many views different recordings had gotten some of the older recordings had already accrued more than a thousand views and a session that was just uh live in this past july has already been viewed more than 70 times so the youtube channel really extends the life of these recordings a lot and that i think is evidenced by the next slide that we're going to show uh so you can see that the number one recording is was the apis of data dot gov which was actually in 2016 and it's gotten 3000 views and the interesting thing is that we've had more comments some of them are spammy but we've had a couple comments on this on this webinar recently and one person's saying even though this is four years old there's lots of good information here it's just now you can do things differently and say um so that's it's really fun that people are actually finding some of the older stuff and still finding use to for in it and certainly order in the court jennifer's um 2015 is that 2015 webinar yeah that was the second one yeah that one's been a really popular one too especially people asking the law questions which which you haven't been forwarding to me so that's an interesting issue of the public needing you know assistance with things sometimes so geocoding for beginners another one that's a lot another jennifer one legal research without the law library making elections great again was um this summer sorry it was November of 2016 apparently that one's a very popular one um and secrets of the congressional record which is my favorite if you are um this is bryna kunan who was our first presenter ever and she goes through and talks about the history of the congressional record and it's just it's super fun it's a really fun webinar um if you're interested in more historical topics um so we've been uh looking i've been looking through these and trying to figure out if there are places we need to expand um and we are going to do an updated version of the api the data gov in february um with julia if you did that original webinar one of my favorite uh comments about the series was that in 2018 someone who was new to government documents and had just joined gov doc l the national listserv put out a request to people of how do i learn to do this government documents thing and the state librarian of rhod island wrote back and said you should look into the help series that's really going to help you and she suggested our series before she suggested the ftlp academy yeah it's um you know i've seen a lot of people gov doc l uh encouraging people to take a look at the series so it's definitely something that's and it's not me all the time sometimes not always um but uh it's definitely feels really very nice when we hear people who are who had that much respected that much um i think one of the things i've also heard is that because it's coming from a librarian's perspective where people you know the people are willing to say what's not great about a source as well as what's great about it um so what are the challenges that you're going to have and i think there's a lot of truthfulness in these webinars especially michelle's that didn't mean well they're all about data um but there's a lot of truthfulness it's not a marketing ploy it's you know we do sometimes have people who are creating their own products but um it is really meant to be from a user's perspective and how to use these sources well we're speaking about our favorites i want to take a second just to shout out some of the stuff that maybe isn't in the most popular of all time because it's such a niche topic and my favorite from that is one who the speaker i actually recommended which was the um understanding the budget of the united states a budget and appropriations research by a friend of mine full disclosure morgan stoddard who i had i had seen her present a session like that at a law library and conference and then it was a pretty small group and i thought this would be such a great we were about probably halfway into help at that point and i thought this would be just a fantastic help session and connected her with linda and you know budget research is one of those things like for me i don't have to do it a lot but when i have to i have to learn it all over again so like i've gone back to that um and it's just a really succinct and accessible overview so that's that's my vote for my my personal favorite although the secrets of the congressional record was really great too i agree with linda yeah that was that budget one was very good um and the couple of the un ones two are super um really really good so if you have a favorite feel free to put it in the chat you can recommend people or if you want to put your own because there's a few presenters in here in our group today um so looking ahead and this last part to just to close this out we're gonna um kind of open up in discussion because i wanted to talk about kind of the future of webinars especially both related to government documents and government information and then more broadly um and so i had some questions that i wanted both the panel and then anybody else who wants to talk about these if you have ideas on these um first off it's thinking about you know we traditionally government information has focused on um print collections and then it's moved into the more digital realm and then so but how do we handle you know the need for or access to for access to the historical record that might not actually be digitized yet especially in a virtual world um and thinking through those issues how can we support government for the librarians moving forward um in what is going to be i assume a increasingly virtual world um for our work um uh ways that we can support all kinds of librarians ways we can support the public um like those people who were asking law legal questions on our zoom channel um how do we avoid contributing to zoom fatigue um and then other topics that we would like to do do in the future so i don't know which one we want to jump into here but if you want to choose one since i've been looking at our collection a lot um the print collection um is it is a tough thing to handle um you got sets huge sets that have been collected over decades and to me once gpo has a set scanned or digitized or whatever your terminology is and it's an official set then in my situation i feel like okay i can let go of that print but there are quite a number of sets that that has not happened to and i'm really surprised about them um and it's harder for me to let go of those print sets if there's not an official nice neat you know you click here and here's all the volumes and you can just open them up and it's free and very visual um the um treaties tas tas i don't think anybody's done that set there are some of them on the state department's website but they're not all there and i'm very surprised that you know a university or somebody hasn't just gone ahead and done the set um so that kind of figuring out what you got what has been used is it worth hanging on to it because it's been there so long it's just such an impressive body of work um versus is anybody want to come all the way to main library to look at these things whereas if it was if i could give them a link they would be so much happier so there are other comments on the how are y'all dealing with i mean jennifer i guess you're in your library but michelle i don't know if you're actually going to the library i'm not usually here at just okay i'm not here than at home but i can be here and the public can't be here so that's definitely something as a government information professional that i think about a lot that um we've been essentially closed to public access since we went into the shelter in place and in mid-march and we were closed to our community for a good chunk of the summer we've slowly started having students and faculty and staff coming back in but it's nothing like it used to be so we do have to focus primarily on the virtual but we've already we all know i mean not everything's online it's i'm looking back at the the sessions i did five years ago i remember having to scan a lot of the print materials because it just i can't show it to you if i can't use the print um and that hasn't changed i mean there's just so many parallels between then and now thinking about the amount of accidental government documents librarians that are going to be coming up as the same thing happens that was happening in 2010 like people will retire or leave positions and those positions won't be filled people are going to have to fill that gap for them so i think we're going to see another wave of the accidental librarians um which is hard to think about but maybe we're in a good position we're in a better position now than we were 10 years ago i think with virtual instruction to handle it i agree um what i saw when i was teaching i got to a point where i couldn't continue teaching the government information class at sills and indications from sills are that it's not going to be offered anymore there wasn't enough demand in terms of students enrolling in that class for them to go to the trouble to locate another instructor and i even got pushed back from my students my class was at least as much oriented towards finding print documents as it was using some of the commercial databases to find documents and some of my students were very vocal about why should we learn these print things you know it's all going to be online well it's not yet online and i have my doubts about whether all of it will ever be online so i think i'm sorry i was going to jump in another thing i'm a little worried about is if it's online now will it stay online yeah just like the 1990 census i was so excited that that was online and it was in a database and you could manipulate it and da da da da not anymore yeah and then you know a lot thinking you know moving to more vendors having it having these things right like for pro quest to just go abstracts or things like that it's not necessarily going to work for the the general it's not going to work for the general public if libraries can't subscribe to these alternate sources which can provide access to those those things but in a way that's more manipulative or you use are friendly but um but it comes with a cost right that's the other issue um i think let's talk a little bit about um the zoom fatigue thing because this is something i worry about it somebody who organizes a webinar series how do we move forward and avoid contributing to the zoom fatigue that we all seem to have do you think this is my fourth zoom of i think six today oh my god that's not typical but uh it's definitely on the high side i i just i don't know i i really i struggle with it because we do recognize it's a thing but at the same time it's such a great opportunity to provide free and wide reaching instruction that i guess keeping it short keeping it focused um you know really delivering this is always a good thing for a webinar to do and not everyone did it but you know you do what you say you're gonna do and that's always my number one pet peeve whether it's an in-person conference or a virtual presentation is like the description and the reality are just two completely different things but i think that's like the best that we can do under these circumstances i think um joe had a really good idea um there that have having them be a little more conversational i think helps with fatigue that you know one of the things we we used to we were talking about this earlier we used to never have the the cameras live and it was partly because of bandwidth because it wasn't always clear whether another webinar would work if we had cameras on and so being able to now accommodate cameras on and multiple people talking or multiple cameras on i think is a nice thing that's changed a lot um interaction is good also when um when live of course not so much in recordings polls surveys can keep attention focused yeah not something we've i think we've um some people have experimented with that within um web this series but it's definitely something that we could do more of i think um i would also say that as much as i agreed that we're having zoom fatigue and um it's frustrating to try to figure out how to reduce that fatigue the importance of platforms like this for connecting people when we can't be physically together is enormous so being able to see y'all's faces is pretty wonderful for me i've been working at home since march uh i haven't been back into work on a regular basis at all since march and i don't expect to be until like next summer until we have a vaccine and things are are able to get back to normal so at least that aspect is a really good thing yeah that means definitely it's been nice for me too because i have gotten to see people i wouldn't haven't seen in years probably except maybe at conferences um and yeah i think doing other platforms besides zoom is a good way to thank you natalia and joe for talking about that another thing that we um probably could try and do maybe so i want to get to this one because i'm selfish what topics haven't we covered or what topics would you like to see us do in the future are the things that we haven't done or that you would like to see a redo of going forward and that helps you i always the more census the better michelle i need i need data census dot data dot gups data dot census dot gov 101 that thing is that's killing me i just i think i just did that one this summer and uh uh i'm sure that i'll do it again not too distantly in the future because things keep changing over there any other says finding oh do you yeah um data sets some dominique says oh it's elinor hi elinor i know her nominique says anything about finding and using government data sets and who they might be useful for okay dominique are you what kind of library are you in public or academic okay yeah so i think even just uh intro to government data 101 kind of thing might be an interesting way to take it like how to think about the statistical agencies yeah yeah i think that would be an interesting one that we might try and do at some point that i would like to see something like that i think we had something similar to that a long time ago but we can do an update on that have we had a do d the other comment um david who david durant is he durant or is he still here i think he just left um david durant did one i think on the department of defense but um i can get in touch with them and see uh in a few years well yeah i can try and see if i can find somebody could do a data a defense department one i'll be interesting one i recall that we used to do there was the evaluation form would always ask like what what topics and i think that was one of the ways that linda got around to me um for one of mine was like legal research is something everyone's asking for on these forms and so i was all in for that but yeah if people have suggestions i think it's a lot of it's been driven by the suggestions if i'm remembering right oh and this sprint has got so the yeah the um preservation of info and websites as administrations changed so we could do one on the government crawl on the web crawl of government the presidential websites because there's a bunch of people who work in that and david has offered to do one on do d so that's gonna be fun awesome well we're running into the end of our time um uh oh cool so maps and cia awesome yeah that's a great ideas guys that's great um so the final thing that we want to just uh talk about and you can keep the ideas coming for webinars um we'll definitely i'll definitely grab the chat so they can um keep track of those um but before people start running off i just want to announce something um uh the government resources section has um uh the leadership the government resources section has um agreed with godort um to have godort takeover the help webinar series um part of the things that we noticed is that what i've noticed is that the we don't appeal just to north carolina libraries um well for one and then also we need a way to make it sustainable in the long term if it's something that people are interested in having existed and because i'm no longer in north carolina um you know people people move and so you can't always rely on one person always being the point person for a series and and the series has just gotten a lot bigger um so at this point we are going to move into um a relationship with godort um which uh it had just created an ad hoc committee to take over to look into the process of taking over the help series um and uh this is going to be the inaugural inaugural webinar as a godort grs joint series will be january 21st um and that gives godort about a semester or so to um figure out the logistics to make sure that we can uh either put it in the committee or create any committee code godort is a large bureaucracy and so it takes time to do these things and so um they'll look at the process of in absorbing the or bringing the webinar series into godort and if you're not familiar with godort it is the government documents roundtable um through american library association um so that will start in january 21st or january 2021 um linda i want to thank you for shepherding that to make sure that this series continues and also for being clear with godort that this has to remain an accessible series part of the deal of it being free to everybody who wants to participate is really important to all of us yeah and that's the that's also important to godort that it not be something that is going to be you know we're not going to suddenly put it behind a paywall um or make people pay for it in this but we may do those other kinds of pay for webinars in godort but help will remain free um as long as godort is uh the leadership for it um so that's exciting and i'm i'm hoping that it helps the sustainability of the series the long term if it's something that you're interested if you're a member of godort and you're interested in contributing to the series going forward uh it's a great way to learn about how to do a webinar series so i can touch with me um and it's uh uh you can learn more about how to get involved with this a new initiative um thank you very much uh any questions comments from the floor from our uh attendees thank you jane for saying that's a wonderful resource panelists do you have any final thoughts thank you linda for all your years we appreciate it um awards are one thing but you know knowing that there are a lot of people out here that really appreciate what you've done and how you've kept this going and been the point person and they had the technology the understanding and the knowledge to to actually make it happen i hope you appreciate that we all know that and that we really really thank you thank you that's very sweet yeah i second that emotion i don't think we'd be at a hundred webinars today if it were not for all of linda's hard work and dedication like this is very much a labor of love and a lot of work as you saw from the trello board well thank you i think it's also a labor a community labor and that's i just i mean i've done a lot of of logistical work but the communities are the ones that um come in the community is the ones who provided the content and that was not me and it takes a lot to either teach about something that you don't know about or learn about something and teach about it um to pull these together it takes a lot of time and i am very cognizant of the time that people would put into this so thank you to the community for being willing to be part of it i learned a lot that's for sure so we're gonna definitely be moving forward and with help and i'm excited to see what the future holds for us so thank you all right well thank you guys see you all on january 21st whoo whoo let me know if you have topics do the dance