 We were interested in the possibility of communities using drones themselves for natural resource management, particularly forest management. So these drones would not be operated by the government, certainly not by any of the security forces of the government. They might be operated by NGOs, but on behalf of communities or maybe by groups of communities because of course they are relatively expensive. Why should communities want to get involved in this? Why should they want it? Apart from having some fun, I'm sure there are boys in the community and girls in the community who would have fun driving the drone. They're probably not interested in measuring carbon directly, but they are interested in looking at the state of their forest. They're interested in wildfires, forest fires for example. We work in some communities in northern Mexico, which are very extensive. I mean maybe 20 or 30 kilometres up to the end of a community. From fire towers they can see the fire in the distance, they can jump in a truck and they can get there in 45 minutes or one hour. With a drone they could be there in 5 minutes. The drone could fly around the area and take pictures and see which direction the fire is going and how fast it's growing and send that back live or the drone flies back and brings back the information. They are interested in invasions of their territory by other communities or by commercial foresters or in Mexico sorry to say by drug gangs and so on who are coming in. The drone will give them an eye in the sky to see what's going on. For Red Plus the drone will be useful for quite a few things. It will forest change, forest cover change and particularly it will be important for rapid changes which may be from fires or from invasions and so on. In Red Plus for the sampling of the areas which are going to be surveyed at high density, at high detail you need different types of forest type and forest management type. The price is dropping very very rapidly like most of these technologies do, like cell phones, smartphones etc. You can build your own. You can use a 3D printer to print a drone if you have a 3D printer already. The price is dropping very very rapidly and it's already within reach of groups of communities or of a local organization to do it and will continue. The camera equipment is still a bit expensive but there are some people working on just using a regular digital camera and it takes so many photos that you can put them together with the right software and build up a better, sufficient image from that. Because the technology is ready for it and I think the social interest is ready for it when we talk to some communities just as a wish list, as a Christmas list would you like to use such a thing? Let us try. We're not going to say yes or no but we're willing to try and see what we can do with it. What is going to change very soon is the legislation for it, the legislative framework. Some countries already have quite strong limitations if not outright bans on using drones. In Mexico moment it's very indeterminate, very undecided and probably in reality in ten years time drones will be seen as a general pest around the world because they're a little bit noisy, they'll be so ubiquitous. Everybody will be using them for everything and there could be accidents and they can crash of course or they can be misused easily by people. I think it is under the right conditions and the right places to do it and we never pretend that all communities and all community forests will be interested in this. It will be particularly communities which have a small population and a large area because if you just have a tiny bit of forest it's much better to walk around, for most things it's better to walk around and do measurements on foot but for certain places it could be useful and I believe, I would say if we start now and show that it has some social benefits and social benefits for people or for groups of society who are generally underprivileged, well not underprivileged but they are relatively worse off then this could be an argument for legislation to make some exceptions. Maybe I'll say no drones in cities, fair enough but in rural areas if the community and neighbouring communities agree then you can use them. Other security issues or safety issues and the privacy, definitely the privacy issues are important and will have to be very, very good protocols which are understood by the community, made by the community understood by the community and imposed by the community to say what these drones can do, what they can't do and again who owns the information. It doesn't matter who owns the drone what it matters is who owns the information which comes from the drone.