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Ken studied law in Tokyo and entered the Japanese workforce as a business consultant and investor. Ken's financial expertise comes from owning and managing several businesses, including an accounting company, a management consulting firm, and a venture capital corporation. His writings bridge the topics of finance and self-help, focusing on creating and generating personal wealth and happiness through deeper self-honesty. He's got ongoing support available to those of you listening or reading his book. He's got mentoring programs, business seminars, therapeutic workshops, and correspondent courses. He's actually the first person from Japan to be voted into the Transformational Leadership Council and those of us living in Los Angeles are very much connected with this inner circle know about TLC. It is a great honor because these are personal and professional development leaders. He is fluent in Japanese and English, lived in Boston, Massachusetts for two years, and currently resides in Tokyo, Japan. If you'd like to learn more, go to kenhanda.com. Ken, welcome to Dear to Dream. It's an honor. It's a pleasure to have you here today. Thank you, Debbie. This is such a great honor. And what a great way to start my morning. Yes, I'm late in the afternoon here. You're early in the morning, so I'm very grateful that you took the time to join us today. Thank you. Your book, which I'm reading, beautiful book, Happy Money. I think really where I want to start is the fact, reading in your bio alone, happiness and peace. That's very interesting to put those particular two words together. So why happiness and peace? What is it that you know from the work you do that makes both those words so relevant and so important to put together? You know, as a son of a very successful accountant, I grew up with money. At the same time, I've witnessed so many people suffer from money, even though they had a lot. So I realized that two kinds of people, one is very happy people with money and very happy people, happy people without money. And I wonder, can I have both, you know, and I realized that in order to have both, you have to know about certain things. For example, in order to be happy and wealthy at the same time, you have to follow your heart. You have to do what you love. But most of us get stuck in the job that we don't even like. And we can't really get out of this low paying, underappreciated environment. So there's so many things we have to do. But Happy Money is a thing that I concluded as a way to shortcut to happiness and money. Because there are two kinds of money in the world. Happy Money and Unhappy Money. Happy Money makes you smile when you receive it and gives you joy when you spend it. Where Unhappy Money is everywhere. We receive money with frustration. I'm not getting paid this little. And also we get frustrated when we spend it. You know, we don't want to spend money because we feel like part of us, but our body gets ripped off. So we live in this frustration around money. So I think we have a choice. Do we want to live in the flow of Happy Money or live in the flow of Unhappy Money? And that will be a totally different life. I would imagine that most people pay their weekly bills with Unhappy Money. Yes, there is looking at the pile in front of oneself and thinking, ah, I owe this, I owe this, I did all this work and look what's left. Yes. How can people supersede that to have a shift around even paying bills? For example, you know, if you have to pay bills, you must have received some kind of service before. That could be electricity, water, or if you went to a restaurant with your friends, you must have some kind of fun at the restaurant. So if you can remember all the things you spend your money on and just start appreciating all that was so much fun with my best buddies. And I went to a short trip. This is the airfare and the gas and try to remember all the fun things and great things that you can appreciate for. So then, you don't feel like I have to pay the bills, you know, you can just say thank you so much, you know, I got so much out of this whole thing. And then happily you can pay for that. Or I don't want to pay for this, I don't want to pay for this, but you have to pay for it anyway. So if you want to do it as a slave, you know, like I don't want to do that. Or are you willing to give up your money for your happiness? So it's your choice. Yes. When you first made this discovery, oh, there's energy to money. Money, depending on where it's coming from within oneself, as the sense of happiness, other money has this heaviness, this unhappiness, that creates something depending on where it comes from within us happy or unhappier. So when you're making this discovery, did you start to use this in your own life? And did you find a pocket in your life where it really previously wasn't working was actually unhappy money? And if so, what did you do to turn that around in your own life to create more happy money? Yes, thank you. Thank you for asking. You know, let me share with you a short story. I was approached by a woman at the party. And she said she wanted to take a look at my wallet. And I said it's okay. And she took all the bills out from my wallet and started started checking something. So I got so curious. And I observed what she was doing. And she said, this is good. This is good. This is great. And she returned my wallet back to me. And she said, can all your money is good. And I asked her what is good about my money. She said, can all of your money is smiling? That means you must have done some great work to receive money. That means you help people become happy. That's happy money. And she said, on the other hand, if you're taking advantage of other people or just doing what you don't like and receive money, your money is crying in a wallet or getting upset or angry. And I really got it. It's interesting. I don't see if my money is smiling or not. But I can imagine some of my friends money is smiling. Some of my, you know, other friends must be angry because he's kind of like, you know, sketchy guy. I said, there are two kinds of money. So after that, I try to do the things that money would smile. And I'd smile too. So I've done businesses and everything I do has a money return policy. So whatever I do, example, I last week, and I did the lecture for 2000 people. And some people get get cold or their kids get cold. So my staff call up and and we do the refund for the people who didn't show up. So that's happy money. And of course, that shocks people like really, you know, when I miss a concert, I don't get a refund. So but since they didn't show up, you know, they, I don't feel right that that I receive money from them. So my business is done with that kind of code. So everybody that's all the money I receive is happy money. So and when I spend it, I make sure that the money I spend will also make somebody happy along the way. And I hope that the money I spend will bring back more friends and come back to me. So that's when I say, thank you, thank you. When money comes in, I say, Arigato, thank you for coming in. And when money leaves my life, also say thank you, see you soon, come back with your friends. So that's the attitude in a happy money. That's amazing. That is such a unique practice. I don't know anybody outside of you who does that, who has a workshop, and people have paid in advance, they've committed their coming you've appropriated a seat, maybe materials for them for the weekend. And they don't show and you say, this is okay. Here's your money back. How many of those people actually that you pay back who don't show end up coming back to your workshop? I don't keep records, but I guess showers of compliments, thank you notes. And they of course, they talk about me to their friends and they, you know, we're not doing so much because if they didn't show up, we didn't get the money anyway. So there's no minus, you know, for us. It's just they didn't show up. That means we take it as they didn't sign up. But you know, we have so many people in our seminar, you know, we're financially abundant, financially independent. So I don't need money financially, from the people that there that we should not accept money that we don't deserve. I think there's something very important at what you're saying. And I think that there are abundant thoughts and lack thoughts. And when you know you're going to be okay, and you I love this are you got to out are you got to in when you have that sense of the flow. There's a lot of abundance there. When you have another sense of Oh, they don't show I need to take their money. I need to pay myself. There's a lack thought going on there. And it seems to me that that also creates invites in receives or disallows money. Yes, yes, I agree with you. So you know, I've been sort of this way, even before I achieve financial independence, in my 20s, you know, I always love giving sharing what I what I have, what I what I know. So the reason why I'm doing this is to see people smile. You know, I I've sold almost eight million copies and just calculate how much I made. So I was already financially well off before I even started, you know, so I'm okay without charging people. So sometimes once in a while, I do events that everything is so free. So financially challenged people can come. And that's my I and also my staff members have so much fun and do it when we share a free event. Because those are the people that I want my knowledge to be used. So you're like the Oprah Winfrey, right? You get a workshop and you get a workshop and you get a workshop. Yes, I'm enjoying so much. But I was a happy camper in a small island called Japan, the size of California. You know, I was busy raising child and writing books and doing seminars. But my daughter turned 21 few months ago. So I'm like a laid off daddy, you know, empty nesters, they say, I know, I know. So my wife, I'm decided that we're going to do something more fun and more unique. And I we came up with the idea that I go more work outside of Japan. So that's why I'm doing this. And this is so much fun. I don't feel like the whole thing, book writing, promotion is work. You know, this is my new adventure. Does that mean that you're going to be bringing these particular workshops to the United States? Yes, and I can do that online too. And my books are being published in China, Europe, India, and all over the world in 45 countries. So as you interviewed Dr. John DeMattini, who's my mentor and a great friend, I want to sort of travel like him. I don't know, 29 years or 39 years. But at least for a year or two, I just want to do what he does. It sounds like fun. He really inspires me. Yes, absolutely agreed. I think it's it suits his mission, right, to reach that many people to teach the world. So he yes, a yacht called the world which he owns and travels the world teaching. And this is the very thing he does. He's very aligned with his use and inspire my hero. Yes. And he is so fun. And a lot of Japanese people love him. He's coming actually to Japan in a couple of weeks. We're very excited. Well, then now I need to say because he already told me to say hello to you. And I'm bringing him in. So I'm going to ask that you say hello to Dr. DeMattini when he's with me. Yes, yes, we'll have fun. Yes, have the loop there. Okay, can you talk about I found something very, very important in your book. I saw I had an insight in your book. So I'm hoping we can delve just a wee bit into money personality types. And you talk about seven of them distinctively plus there's combo flatters. So there's a lot more. Yeah. So folks, you know, if you want to read the money personalities, you can get his book, Happy Money, will you just share one or a couple of them? So we have a sense maybe people can identify who they are and how they're operating right now. I think anybody can identify some of the money types. I was doing accounting job, I realized that some people spend so much money, and some people don't spend money. And I found out what they call what they call spender, they love spending, they love shopping. And there are those who love saving. And the funny thing is, they get married. I do money counseling a lot, not as much anymore, but I used to do a lot. So somehow the spender gets married to a saver, you know, which is so interesting. Or as spender marriage to a compulsive moneymaker, you know, the entrepreneurs who make a lot of money, somehow they end up getting married with a partner who loves spending. So it's interesting, you know, because spender loves spending, go to like expensive resort or buy expensive brand, and the moneymaker or saver, you know, they're interested in making money or saving money. They're not interested in save spending. So that's why they fight. So before getting married, they attracted to one another, because of spender things. Oh, you know, I can spend more. And the moneymaker type says, wow, she's gorgeous or he's gorgeous because he knows how to have fun or she knows how to have fun. So with so many different money, money types or the combination of money, and I'm sure it can come up with a few friends names or faces. What I really loved is the idea, you said that a compulsive spender, generally comes from an upbringing of compulsive savers. And I was, ouch, when you describe it, I wouldn't say I have to have the top brands in the most luxurious resort, although I love these things, love. So there's also a saver in me. But I would say to identify without a doubt, I am a spender. I read that in your book. It was such an aha moment because I really came from a mom who's cut out coupons. Yes, no shop did a particular store always to, you know, save a buck. And, and I still have a reaction to that when somebody is so deeply into like, I know, it's a big to me. Yes, you want to just slap, slap him in the face and you know, spend more money and enjoy life, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think I'm sure they want to do the same to you. Save more money. Be stable. There's a war among among us all because savers think that the spender, you know, destroy the environment and the world. Yes, yes. Yes. And it's what's interesting is, if you have siblings more than two, even if you're brought up in the same household, your money type could be completely different. Your sister could be a spender or a saver. And you you you hate each other because you you have a money different type. Wow. That's true. My brother is different than I am. Wow. And some some some people are very good at making money. And some are better at spending money. So that's when they fight when their wealthy parents die, because a spender needs their parents money, and the composite money maker, they want more money, so they can make more money. So there is always fight. So I've done a lot of family therapy, you know, healing the trauma. And what's interesting is that these dramas have keep happening a few generations. So the reason why you're so scared, and you cannot get out of this corporate environment, could be a money fear that your grandparents or grand-grandparents had, when during the depression time, you know, you don't even know the names of your grandparents, or grandparents, but still the scare in them, that they have to hold on to the money, they have to hold on to the stable jobs, are passed down to the generation through your grandparents, through your parents, and through to you. So, you know, I realized through counseling for your career, I realized that we are given so much fear, frustration, this desperation around money, and guilt and shame, all package from our ancestors, which is amazing. I was having a response because I'm Jewish. And it's very interesting, you know, I've seen documentaries that went very back to the inception of the Jewish people. And what was fascinating to me was the plight or the ongoing pattern that gets repeated over and over and over again, where a people, the Jewish people were invited to come live in a country, and they would go and settle and populate and start to thrive and do well. And for whatever reason, politically or otherwise, they didn't suddenly like that they were doing well. And they would say terrible things about the Jewish people and they're the devil and they're this and that, we have to get rid of them or erase them from the country. And seeing what was about to ensue the Jewish people would grab whatever they could, have to leave much of their money behind and race. God knows how they did this without planes, but somehow through ships and other means to another country, where again, they were told you're safe, and they settle down, and they start to relax a little and start to proliferate. When again, there was an uprising and people would turn on them. I mean, this has been going on for thousands of years. So when I'm hearing you say this, I find it fascinating. And I understand the connection with lineage. But this is so powerful when it comes to money. Because if you know, no matter if I build up my little empire, it's going to be taken from me because I'm going to have to flee. I won't leave it. Right? Yeah, so it's so deep inside that, you know, whatever I do will be taken away. So I might as well spend it and enjoy it. You know, that could be buried underneath. Wow. Yeah, so we do I do a lot of family therapy, you know, going back at least three generations. Because, you know, it's so interesting, you don't get it, you know, if you if you just focus on how much you make, how much you save or how much you invest, it's way way way deeper than what you see on your bank account or a spreadsheet. Because it's a despair that your parents or grandparents that you don't even know the faces and names, the psychic, you know, psychologically, it's buried in you. So unless you heal the pain and wounds that they carried and your parents carried, and you carry, you cannot really be free from money. That's what I teach to the, you know, the happy money is just just scratching the surface and it goes down a deeper and deeper and deeper. And that way you can free yourself. And I think you can free all your parents, grandparents and grand-grandparents. And then you feel that you're backed up. You're supported by all those great ancestors support you. Psychologically, that's that's what I believe. This money, this is a powerful thing to say. So when you say freedom, is there a level of detachment in there with money? What does that look like? Freedom from money? To me, it's like air. You know, money is like water. And as my mentor and friend, Lin Tuest said, money is water that flows, right? And when it flows, it's beautiful. But for a lot of people, especially people who have issues with money, money is icy, cold. It's a cube, you know, when you hold it, it's so cold, it's freezing, it could damage their fingers if you keep holding the ice. And if the money is water, and if it flows right, it's beautiful. But if there's little water, it's drought. If it's too much water, it's flood. I've seen a lot of my family, friends who are washed out by the flood of money, because they are very wealthy. And if you don't have money, it's a drought situation. And for financially, happily, free people, money evaporates. So it's almost like in the air, when you spend it, when it's when you when you make money, you don't care, like I don't care how much I make or how much I spend, because I'm the flow of very, very happy money. I have so much money in the bank. And I can spend so much, I can give so much. But I don't really care how much I make or how much I spend a month, because it flows like, like it's like air, you know, you don't have to be conscious about what's going on. If the money is water, you really have to see, you know, how much water coming, how much water come up. But if it's air, you can breathe as much as you want, you can breathe that as much as you want, you can relax and you don't have to complain your your the person right next to you. Don't breathe more air from me. So it can be more relaxed about money. So ideally, I hope everybody breezes air. You know, so if people can deal with money like that, I think we'll be free of war, frustration, fights. And that's why I wrote my book, Happy Money. Beautiful. This is Dare to Dream, where I feature very successful masterful leaders who have created major goals. What would you do if you could not fail? If you're here at Dare to Dream, it's to support you to create your dreams into your reality. 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So they're listening to this conversation and ting ting ting little things are dinging inside of them and they're having some recognition. So somebody says I would besides getting your book, which I highly recommend it's a great read. What can they do right now to start to take a look at or shift what's going on? So the first step would be to observe what's going on in your life. Emotionally around money. No, do you feel frustration? Do you feel shame, guilt when you receive money, which most of us do? Just check out why guilt, why shame, why embarrassment, you know, around money. So when you just take a look at what's going on, you feel shameful because you're not making enough money to make your family happy. But that's not really a fault. You just happen to fall into the situation and you can get out of the hall. But unless you deal with this shame and guilt, you just pass it on to your kids. Instead of saying, Hi, you know, I'm so sorry as your father, I cannot make I don't have enough money to support you. So could you would you be okay without going to a piano lessons or something? You know, your kids would understand. But instead, you're frustrated and you're yelling yelling at your kids, like, you don't, you know, just keep going to classes. So I'm not paying, you know, so it's almost like you're making kids fall. So instead of just throwing a blame shame and guilt at some other people, you have to own it. No, when you feel embarrassment, shame, guilt, overjoy, you have to own it. And then just just see how it goes and talk about money and emotions with your partners, families and friends. I the the biggest joy I have in my life is all the family of four or five, they all hug each other and cry about money. Because we all share the guilt and shame and, you know, happiness around money. So that would be the first thing to observe what's going on. And the second, if you could, start appreciating money. When money comes in, when you receive a check, say, thank you, Arigato, or Danke, or whatever the language, Salom or whatever the language you have. And then when you spend money, also try Arigato out. No, I thank, thank the money for staying with me, even though it was a short visit, I enjoyed having you. And so that way, you start transforming your relationship with money. Once you're not scared of money, you don't feel guilty about money. Somehow, it more money comes into you, what you appreciate appreciates. So if you let the flow of money in a more happy, gentle way, you, you get out this relationship of a love and hate relationship, because as much as we, we hate money, we love money. So it's almost like money come in, and at the same time, don't come. So like, money would be confused if it's a person like, do you want, do I want to be, do you want me to be with you or not? So, but we had that, all of us are so confused about money. So if you just solve the mystery of what was happening in when you were a child, I'm sure your parents didn't do a deal with money, right? And they didn't probably teach you, right? And nobody really, it's all, it's about sex, you know, nobody really taught you about the most important thing, because everybody is so embarrassed and, and sinful. For example, in North America, I found out that people don't talk about money, how much money you make or how much money you have. It's almost like a taboo, right? We're asking 100%. Yes. Yeah, yeah. No, we're more casual about money. You know, we ask our friends, like, how much you may go really, you know, I'm jealous. So we're more open about that. But sex, forget it. Japanese people are, you know, freaked out about sexual issues. So it's, it's, it's interesting, interesting culturally, but wherever you go, people get really frozen up when they talk about money. So they feel tense, or upset, or suddenly looks, they look very worried. One of the places I see entrepreneurs especially get very tense around money conversations is when they're having a conversation with a potential client. And the client says to them, great, I understand what your services are, what do you charge? And there's this, I know, because I have a lot of these people come to me as clients and say, I don't know what to say. Because if I say this number, maybe it's so high, they're going to go with somebody else. If I say that number, I'm low-balling myself. And just even trying to understand what my own value is, and asking for it, and believing that I'm going to receive it as well. And what do you do with that situation? How might people navigate asking for the money they deserve? That's the, that's one of my favorite questions, you know, that I get often asked. Maybe one of the most mostly asked questions about, when can I raise my, you know, fee or how can I raise him more? It's universal. I get the same questions in China, Japan and Europe and US. So to answer shortly, what you charge will attract certain clients. If you charge, if you're a massage therapist, if you charge $10, you attract that kind of crowd. If you charge $50, you, you attract that kind of crowd. If you charge $100, that will attract different crowd. So you have to choose who you want to work with, to begin with. That's very interesting. I've never heard that before. Yeah, people come, if you're just a client side is just to turn around, turned around the table. And if you want a massage, and if you are used to $50 massage session, $10 is cheap. Are you happy? Wow, $10 massage. You probably think, no, he or she's not good. Right? Yeah. And if it's a $200 massage, ooh, too much, I can't afford it. So people go to a massage therapist, depending on your, you know, past experiences and your budget. So what it's interesting is it's the same with lawyers, accountants, coaches, what you charge will decide who you are going to attract. So you have to be very careful with what you do with prices. And so a lot of people ask me, so what I'm curious about is abundance beliefs. And I understand from reading your books that there are abundance beliefs that creating more abundance, but they're also very limiting beliefs. Some of the limiting beliefs that people might be living with, but maybe they're not aware of. So we often get boxed in when we think there is not enough. No, that gives you a choking feeling like I can't breathe, you know, so when you realize that there may be a roof, roof above your head, and running water. If it's a especially if it's hot water, you're lucky it's one on the planet. Like it's probably 10 20% percent on this planet. And if you have more than three or four clothes, you're also great. Even though if it's not not the high brand or the, you know, the newest brand, if you have more than four sweaters or a sweat or aloha, you're in heaven. But since we're in comparison, we are forced to believe that we need more. We have to buy more, we deserve more. So unless we are stuck in this, or we unless we get out of this scarcity mentality, we feel like there's not enough. But think about survival, you know, for survival, we have more than enough in terms of, you know, clothes. And these days, you know, we have more than enough nutrition in our body. Maybe, you know, we can we can eat ourselves off for years, you know. So we have so much already in our system. So once you know, that probably we should we should worry about letting go more, letting go over clothes, letting go over fat in our body system, you know, instead of feeling like we need more, we can think like we we could be happier with less. And that's why we're getting heavier and heavier because we're so afraid. You know, we're afraid we eat more. And then, you know, we try to store in our body. So that's why financially, a more financially challenged people are bigger than, you know, wealthy people. And what about somebody who's got a really particular dream? I'm thinking about somebody very specific in regards to what you're saying. And this person has a dream of world travel. They have not traveled nearly enough. And yet they haven't created it. I know their money isn't where they dreamed it would be. But I see them doing what you're talking about, which is there is a certain level of consumerism happening. And even though there's a little bit, it's it's a client of mine. So I'm just keeping a little bit. But they do some savings without a doubt. However, the glaring neon sign is constantly every year, world travel, world travel, but it's not created world travel, world travel, but it's not created. What can be done there to bridge that gap so that I mean, first of all, what's a skew? What's really going on? Right. And second of all, what can be done so that they can actually step into an align and say, are you got to travel? World travel? Yeah. So I was asked the exact the exact same question about eight or nine years ago. You know, huge auditorium. I think we got about 2000 people. And the person who asked the question was a 20 year old college student. And he said, I have no money, but I want to see the world. And people laughed because it's so naive, right? And I asked him, do you know how much it would cost to travel the world? He said, no idea. But I want to try and want to see the world. And everybody laughed. So do you have any plans? He said, no plan, no money, and they very laughed. That's what we are, right? And I suggested, why don't you ask a sponsor for $50 a month? So send me to the world campaign, you know, ask your uncle, ask your neighbor, ask whoever your friends. And then if you come up with 60, 70, ideally 100 people. And if you if you have like 30 people, 40 people, depending on depending on where you go, if if you get 30 people, you can go to a poor country, you know, with that it costs only like $5 a night. And if you just get 100 people, maybe you can travel Europe, US, or, you know, fancy area. And a few months later, I kind of forgot about what I what I give him. And then he showed up in the same, you know, place. And then he raised a question. And then I said, Oh, you. And he said, Ken, I'm so excited. I'm here to thank you, because I got like 70 people who who placed to support me. So I'm going to the world next month, like, like everybody clapped their hands. And then what I was so super amazed is that after that guy, hundreds of students started doing the same way. And then went off the world, which is so amazing. And a few years later, middle ways woman, she was in 40s or 50s. She also asked me the same question. I heard from you, Ken, a lot of college kids or young people are being supported. But what about me? I'm not young. I'm not attractive. I'm single. And I said, But you know, do you think a single person deserves world travel? Yes, why not? And everybody just, you know, laughed and just give her give her a round of applause. And then she did the same thing. And then after that, middle age, I'm not attractive, what they call themselves single guys and women, they started traveling again. So there's so many creative ways to do. And I can write a book on, you know, travel the world without a penny. You know, some of the photographers I heard from a friend of mine, that they had a contract to give them pictures all over the world. So they tied up with an airline company. And then they started reporting their young young couple. And then for in exchange for the articles and photos, they get the free air travel and plan tickets and four or five stuff hotels. You know, you can get a deal like that. But that's kind of unusual. But you know, if you're creative, there's millions of ways to do that. And the tragedy is that we cannot do that because of money. And it's not true. Powerful. I have a dear friend, Devin, who created a travel magazine. And he has said the very thing that you just said, he's told me that as somebody who owns this magazine, he basically travels everywhere for free. And he has the most adorable situation. He's been married to his wife, and they travel together to all these countries and they get married in every single country. So now it's a thing. People are following online and the hotel can't wait to even pay for their wedding for free. For free, right? Somebody in the country says, Oh, well, you're going to have to dress in the garb of our country. Here you go. Their photos, everything's really taken care of their excursions. So that's very out of the box. And I've never sat down and had that conversation with them. But Devin has alluded to me, you know, Deb, just by virtue of the fact that you do this podcast at the level you do, you probably could find a way to parlay that and use that for travel and go around the world. And I think that's really interesting point of view. I wouldn't have considered, I love doing this. So to do this anywhere, as long as there's good connection and Wi-Fi, it could absolutely. Yeah, you can come to Tokyo and do a joint podcast with me. I have a fairly big podcast program here, too. We've hit 14 million downloads. And a lot of people listen to this. So come and do that from Tokyo. That would be an option too. Thank you so much for saying that. Because when you say that, what I hear is that's manifestation. Yes. And it seems to happen so organically. And the most important thing is know who. If you're connected with the right people, things boom happen in two seconds. So I think meeting the right people and having the right friends is a key, you know, is a door to your new world. So don't get, don't throw away your dreams. You know, if it's, you said neon sign is flashing. Yeah, go do it. Yeah, money will follow you. Money will follow you. And you are a family man. And there are beautiful pictures of you and your family. And I know that you have a really special relationship with your daughter. So tell me, what do you feel as a dad who loves money is happy with money as peace with money and no attachments money? What is it that you found very important to impart to your children? So I always taught my daughter to follow her heart, which is a music for her. So she's probably going to a music career on her own. And I strongly support her for doing that. And so there are so many ways to support yourself, you know, as a musician, writer, and so many other PK occupations. When I started writing, I had at least 100 friends who said, you cannot make a living as a writer. No, and then of course, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't becoming a professional writer as a vacation, but something in me really got upset, you know, okay, I'm going to prove I can make enough money so I can, you know, at least make it as a profession. So that's why I got serious about writing. And this occupation is so hard, you know, only like 100 or a few hundred people can make a living, you know, probably anywhere in the world in each language. And, and I did that. So I, I shared this techniques or the things with my daughter. And I'm one of the examples who fold his heart and then make it a reality. So I'm sort of like showing with my life that life could be fun and beautiful. What's your secret around that? That's very interesting, because one of the many things I do out in the world is coach people how to write a book. And so I'm curious and I agree with your statistics there. I feel that being an author can open many, many rich doors for people to incredible opportunities, not always necessarily financially. So the fact that you were able to figure that out, I find fascinating. So when you make that decision, and I love that, that in the face of people saying, No, this can't happen, you're like, really? Watch me. This is going to happen. And good for you. What are some of the secrets of what you did in order to make this a prosperous career to be an author? You know, first of all, I set my mind that I was going to publish a 10 million books in my life. And everybody laughed at me like, Oh, wow, you know, you'll be lucky if you just publish one book. And that's like almost 20 years ago. And I started doing research like Dr. John DeMattini. You know, I did intensive research. And I met all the best signing authors, and I asked them about the keys to to writing great books. And I just figured if you write this way, or that way, if you do this promotion, right, you know, your books would sell. So that's why I have published about 140 books or so. My original books is about 54 or 55 somewhere on that. And sold almost eight million copies. So I really got the keys to unlock what is what needs to be successful as a writer, which I teach and write another book, you know, I wrote a few books on how to be successful authors. But you know, so follow your heart is a key. Open your message, open and share share your heart. Because if enough people, I say 10,000 people are interested in what you have to say, you can stay as a professional writer. And if you can make a number to 100,000 people, you know, you do fairly well. And if you do that with meeting people, you become a millionaire. So it's, it depends on how many people you can touch. So if you have a big heart, and let meeting people in your heart, you know, with your love, 100, what many people will love you by by a box. So beautiful. I'm speaking with Ken Honda. He is Japan's number one bestselling personal development guru. And he teaches you how to achieve peace of mind when it comes to money. If you want to learn more, go to Ken Honda.com. I'm curious, Ken, I believe that you are compared to Marie Kondo, the Japanese organizing consultant and author. How does that feel to be compared to her? And have you had the chance to meet her? I have so many make sure friends. So it's, it's, it's kind of even strange that we haven't met each other. We published from the same publishing house in Japan. So I really feel honored that she's doing great. And also people compare with me. So I think probably we share something in the common appreciation. When she teaches about cleaning up the house, she just she says, you know, thank the thing that you're throwing away, right? And it's the same thing. Appreciation is a key. So I feel so honored and validated that appreciating life is valued more internationally. And I think it's a core of Japanese culture, respecting each other, appreciating one another, appreciating all the details that people won't notice. That's beautiful. I believe that I have a new practice starting tomorrow. So I'm extremely disciplined with my bills. I have them in one place, and they're in date order, how they're due. Yes. So every Friday, I open that package. And then I pick out whatever is due from that date till the next Friday. And I pull that out. And that's when I pay, right? And everything else sits there because it's not not due yet. I'm going to write a big beautiful note that says thank you. And I'm going to put it on top of my bills to remind me every single time I do that really, it's a ritual. On Friday, I'm going to take time to thank energetically for everything it's given me already in advance that I've been enjoying and send out beautiful payments with that. Thank you and see how your financial situation changes because it will change. I've witnessed hundreds of thousands of people I got so many testimonials on my website, that their life financial life has shifted so much. And what's great about it is doesn't cost anything, you know, just appreciation. Appreciation doesn't cost anything. So just, you know, have fun do that. That's so true. Appreciation is free. And it creates so much more. So many other good things. And I think was Lynn twist who said appreciation appreciation appreciates. So it's true. It's like a 401k plan, or an ROI as you appreciate the return on your investment goes up. So that's good for you in every way. And Ken, this is Dare to Dream. So what do you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams and goals? As I said, Dr. John DeMartini is my hero. And I love to travel like him. And I love to teach and talk with people in the world and heal the pain around money and free a lot of people from money, and both financially and emotionally. And I think I'll have so much fun doing that. So I can't wait to go to China, US, Europe, India, Africa, to share what I know. That's beautiful. And is there one thing that you do every day, no matter what, it's your ritual, it's your practice that allows you to be who you are allows you to create the life that you have. I always start my day and end my day with appreciation. I start appreciating who I am and all the people around surrounding me. I'll definitely appreciate you, Davey, for having me to show at the end of my day today. And this stuff feel Wow, what a great honor and how much fun I had in during the day. So I was falling to sleep in this prayer of appreciation and thankfulness. So I that's what I do. Well, Arigato, Ken, for sharing your brilliance today on Deer to Dream. It's been such a pleasure to have you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I hope to see you soon somewhere. And we're Tokyo or Tokyo. That sounds amazing for me. And thank you for that invitation. I shall not forget. And I end today's show with this quote from Ian Rand. Money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. I've got some amazing guests coming on and you'll want to tune in in the next weeks. Lana Nelson is going to be here. She's an attritional intuitive. She's incredible. She's going to be doing readings for you in real time about your body and what foods it likes and which it will not tolerate. She's the author of the food codes as well. David Wood will be here to talk about how to play for real high performance for work and for life. Remember subscribe to the show and keep going after your dreams. Allow them to be created and courage is all it takes to begin in the first place. I really bless all the great things happen to your life. Thank you. That's very kind. I feel the same. This is really a pleasure. It was it was meant to be. It took them six months to get us together, but it was meant to be. Say, please say hello to your friends that I was so happy with you. I will. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Yes. All right. See you soon. Yes, we will. And I will send you copies of this when it goes out. Thank you so much. Have a beautiful day. Thank you right now. Bye.