 About a year ago. I was at a conference and I get a phone call from Matthew LaCroix and he's all pumped up He's excited. He's telling me he might have found the key to all civilizations on the entire planet I started digging myself and all of a sudden I said wait a minute there might be something here I could see that the symbology there was out of time think to find you know what you would might call the source would be Absolutely profound. Lost Ararat civilization around Lake Vaughn is that missing link? Hey everyone I'm Billy Carson aka Forbidden Knowledge and I'm here to talk about the Lost Ararat Project a brand new project where these amazing souls are here to help us discover untold truths and hidden truths about the world we live in today and how it's tied to the ancient past I'm here with of course Matthew LaCroix best-selling author I'm here with Brian Forster the worldwide known researcher and archaeologist and of course Paul Anthony Wallace another best-selling author and today we're going to talk about this Ararat project and how you could also be involved with us and help us get to a point where we can release this to the world and help change our reality on this planet. Welcome gentlemen to this incredible podcast it's an honor to be here with you all thank you Billy oh thank you it's a pleasure thank you Billy you know one of the things we were just talking about off off air was the fact that about a year ago I was at a conference and I get a phone call from Matthew LaCroix and he's all pumped up he's excited he's telling me he might have found the key to all civilizations on the entire planet I know Matthew when he gets hype he gets excited you know you got to kind of pay attention because he doesn't really get excited like that that often I mean you know he knows the stuff he has his wheelhouse that he's in but when he gets pumped like that you gotta kind of like wait a minute let me let me pay attention and so listen to him a little bit more and then a few months later a little bit more and finally I started digging myself and all of a sudden I said wait a minute there might be something here and Matthew just was so passionate about this he really began to formulate and put this whole thing together to the point that we're sitting here right now about a year later talking about it only not only talking about it but actually raising funds to produce an incredibly high quality produced documentary that's going to help change the world. Matthew you want to talk a little bit let the people know a little bit about what got you so excited and why we're on this journey right now. Thank you Billy that was well said in that time frame that you and I had that first conversation when I was in LA that time and I called you know it was like I you know I said you know I found this ancient site Zernaciteppe and I said it's got these strange polygonal walls and megalithic designs that look really similar to South America and has these mysterious origins but I don't have any evidence to prove my theories of it connecting to an ancient Sumerian Noah connection because Mount Errat was right there but I had theories and what was strange about that was instead of having something bend to that theory I actually sort of forgot about it for a little while. I went off and I was doing other projects and all of a sudden other things came into my life where I realized the scope of that discovery and how big it was and it blossomed to potentially being what could be the first cross on earth the first chalice the first iconography from the tree of life and the Sumerian depictions like we see with God, Haldi and the lion and all of these ancient triptych teachings we see around the world it started to grow bigger and bigger and before I knew it a film was being talked about by a lot of people and it was something that was brought up to me and we we thought you know what this is big enough and has enough evidence to truly change history and I called Billy and I was like Billy I really want you to be a part of this man and we talked about it and we went over it and he's like you know what I'm in and then I called Brian and Paul and we got together and we said if we want to do this right we have to represent expertise from a wide variety of areas if we're going to say something biblical about a first cross we need Paul Wallace there extensive background in the church if we want to talk about something megalithic and its precision we need the world expert on megaliths Brian Forrester when we want to talk about ancient ancient timelines and connections we need Billy Carson there what we need is to create a dream team to tell this message in the way that it need to be told and that's what we're trying to do right now because we've already raised an enormous amount of money but we're not done yet so Billy that's that's just a little bit of an understanding of this but the project will be us going on the ground to make discoveries around Lake Vaughn and Turkey in Kara Turkey at a museum with an ancient relic hiding in the basement there as well as flying across the world to Brian's wheelhouse area in Teowanaku, Pumapunku and Bolivia at Lake Titicaca and so this is going to be a film that goes all around the world to make discoveries and truly change history and connect people to a lost aspect in origin point that we forgot thousands of years ago. Oh it's going to be amazing what I like to do is real quick just kind of go around and have each one of us tell a little bit about some of our expertise and what our wheelhouse is and what we're passionate about so Brian if you would like to start for those who don't really know who you are what you do can you just give a quick summary? Sure I've been fascinated by ancient mystery since I was a young boy and so that led me to do a lot of traveling I've been to about a hundred countries but I decided about 15 years ago to bathe myself in Peru because it is the most enigmatic little country in the world. The site we're going to be looking at in Bolivia is called Pumapunku and Teowanaku they're actually both the same location it's just they have different fences around them and no one honestly knows who built them. The standard story is that the Teowanaku civilization constructed these locations between 100 AD and 1000 AD but it's clearly impossible because they were constructed using very advanced machining technology which to some degree we can't replicate today. That's basically my background is a focus on megalithic sites megalithic structures lost ancient machining technology. Beautiful incredible and Mr. Paul Anthony Wallace amazing best-selling author of the Eden series can you talk a little bit about your passion your history in the church and how you got to the point you are now? Well I start off by saying that just like you Billy I remember the conversation I had with Matt when he introduced the concept of this movie to me I was interviewing Matt for Fifthkind TV and as you say Matthew is always enthusiastic for his work and his finds but this really was off the chart and for that interview I really only had to ask about four questions and we had two hours of material and I could see that Matthew really did have something with these finds in what was ancient Armenia and we looked together at the symbology on this ancient relic that he mentioned that's currently housed in Ankara and that really grabbed me because I could see that the symbology there was out of time out of place with all the timelines that we have for the history of humanity and the history of thought and I was fascinated by the appearance of these ancient crosses these ancient chalices ancient griffins and trees of life and I thought okay Matt Matthew's got something here and then Matthew started talking about the dates and I was thinking oh well that could be right I'm not sure so I went back to my research to my wheelhouse which is ancestral narratives the interpretation of ancient texts and that's my background my background as you say Billy is in church ministry I was for 33 years in church based ministry trading pastors as a theological educator and I trained them in hermeneutics the principles of interpreting ancient texts and the history of christian thought I was a church doctor in that time and an arch deacon for the anglican church in Australia so that's my background and all that work well the church doctor forced me to engage with experiences that are very stretching that take you into the paranormal and begin to stretch your worldview and your understanding of who and what we all are but all the time engaging with ancient texts when I went back to my ancient texts just to go over in my mind what Matt had told me I began to realize oh my goodness I think Matt is absolutely over the target here because I think what a lot of biblical scholars um have missed and many others have noticed but have to mention softly softly very gently is that we may have geographically misplaced the origins of many of our ancient narratives in the bible uh conventionally we're looking in southern Mesopotamia we're looking at the emergence of the bible from out of annals of ancient Sumeria Babylonia Arcadia and Assyria and we miss the vital role that ancient Armenia played in the story of humanity if we're going to take seriously the global recollection of a a population reboot at some point we have to go into Armenia if we want to look at significant leaps forward in the human story building with brick iron technology material science we have to go to ancient Armenia and when you start probing the the root meanings of key words you'll find geographically that will take you into the high country of Ararat it will take you into ancient Armenia and I believe that there are stories of human origins deeply embedded in the bible which have often been mistranslated and that place us geographically exactly where Matt is taking us in this movie so after I've done a bit of homework having interviewed Matt I knew oh my goodness I've got to be involved with this not only because it helps to rewrite where we think our ancient texts have come from but because when we get into the symbology to be found on these ancient artifacts in these ancient sites it takes us to a time that predates every religion on the planet predates the Judeo-Christian tradition predates every wisdom tradition and takes us to the experience of our ancestors in the deep deep past and timelines is something I'm sure we're going to be discussing at length in this movie to the root that where so many of these experiences and aspirations of mankind really come from yeah amazing and this is why you're on the team because that extensive knowledge that that also that experience in the church it's so important to have that level of balance because we have to take that level of knowledge which can be in a lot of cases you know go it can go against the timeline the new timeline we're trying to establish but you're a person that's been there done that and have seen beyond and realized wait a minute something doesn't make any sense so for us it's really important to have someone like you on the team as well to help us to be to create the ability to have other people see with different eyes and actually understand wait a minute this man has done all of this stuff in the church for decades now all of a sudden he's helping to stretch this timeline we got to pay attention here so thank you and then of course we have Matthew LaCroy who's coming on the board who's really the founder of this entire movement and so Matthew after you all tell a little bit more about myself but what got you into the passion of ancient civilizations because when I first met you you were an engineer that was already an expert on ancient text I was like this guy's an engineer but he's he's doing ancient text he's got to be he should be doing this full time he's too good how did you find this path to where you are right now well first of all thank you very much Billy and Paul that was beautifully said I I could not have said it better myself that's what we're trying to do everything he said and and I just want to mention Paul actually came out to film we need to get open minds of Gaia and we got a chance to go hiking and spend the whole day together and we talked all about the ancient symbols and our thoughts about it and reflections on if there's any holes we could try to find or things we could try to figure out that we just didn't understand and it was a profound conversation and Paul and I really got to the heart I feel like of a lot of these mysteries to try to uncover them but that's what it really is trying to understand a mystery and I have to give a lot of credit to a man that's on this call right now for my journey I mean not only Billy Carson for coming and pulling me out of a more like unknown state but in terms of someone to focus me on that path to go down on that road Brian Forster's undoubtedly one of the most important people in that for me because Brian what he did is he would go to these sites he would say look I'm not going to show you any fancy stuff with graphics or anything I'm just going to point out to you with an expertise showing you the angles the perfection of these blocks and then showing you the contrast of the more primitive work above it and I want to show you the difference and show you that that narrative that they're both created by the same civilization does not hold up and does not make sense and he more than anyone else on this planet has gone to more megalithic sites to document what is not aligning with history and what falls into this lost narrative than anyone else in the world so I want to commend him for that that mission and so it's a truly an honor to have him a part of this to take his knowledge of Egypt and Peru and Bolivia and Mexico and other places around the world take it go to what might be the origin point and see if he can verify that for us and Brian is very casual to say much but I know that Brian is interested he's very curious and we're going to take him to these sites and that's how we're truly going to change history is by bringing experts like Paul and Billy and Brian and me to get there and actually be on the ground and so that's really what started me is this curiosity and wonder for this and I think I just want to mention what Billy said is is I think why I became connected with this discovery is because I was obsessed truly with the Sumerian Akkadian Babylonian and Chaldean accounts of history so I would read every single version of those Kenea form tablets and of course Sumerian is not the same language as Akkadian and Assyrian they share they share a wedge like design of their writing but they don't share the same language and so you're actually reading different language versions of those ancient stories but most of those stories had an origin point had an origin point of talking about either whether or not are almost like our creation origin point origin origin point talking about these events and when they first happened and what happened to us and those stories go back to these ancient Sumerian kings and the last Sumerian king known as Tana Pistam Rosayasudra who has very very such strong correlations that any kind of biblical or ancient history expert agrees that it was derived the the Christian religious version of the Noah story and the flood was originally derived from the Sumerian version of the Atrahasis and then later the Epic of Gilgamesh combination with what's also called the legend of Itzubar and those all contain nearly identical flood stories from an ancient Sumerian lineage last king who survived this catastrophe of course Gilgamesh in that story goes and seeks out that the Noah figure to try to learn the secrets of immortality but remember in the story this last Sumerian king Noah figured with his family members his bloodline descendants of him instead of thinking of it like the Russell Crow movie where he's like a primitive clothing on how we need to think of it more as looking at it as he was an ancient priest in a king okay that's what the text described him as an ancient priest in a king just like Ashurbanapal was who was trying to preserve and protect history and had an ancient lineage bloodline that was described as needing to be preserved and this text described him as landing either on Mount Ararat or the mountains around Mount Ararat which is what's so perplexing because they just disappeared from a lot of the history of history records we had biblical accounts of what those lines might have been but we didn't have any archaeological evidence to back any of it or that was from an older time period than we're told like Paul says and that was when these discoveries looking at finding Kavis Tepe and Ionis temple and Kef temple and the underwater ruins under under Lake Vaughn that discovery became real because we had tangible evidence of those bloodlines written in basalt stone cuneiform in the stones talking about the bloodlines the ancient kings the same depictions that were the winged gods like from Sumer same depictions being lowered there it all started to connect in a way where I realized this is huge this is something I can I can take on alone and that's why I brought on these these experts these gentlemen as well as an incredible director two producers one of them who's done high budget Hollywood films with like Robert De Niro and Bradley Cooper we have incredible talent on this and a team that is going to bring this story to life and embody it in humanity to try to teach us what we've truly lost and that's what I believe the lost era as civilization as I'm pointing at around Lake Vaughn is that missing link incredible incredible so well spoken so well said and of course I'm Billy Carson my biggest claim to fame is I've been able to make a lot of connections around the world see beyond not only mainstream but even into deeply into a lot of the ancient texts and tablets everything through from Sumeria dealing with the Enumi Elish and the seven tabs of creation the Epic of Atracis the Epic of Gilgamesh the Code of Hammurabi the myth of Adapa and just so many more tablets that exist and seeing through them and understanding that in a lot of cases the beings or the people being spoken about there these these people and I do mean people were connected to other sites all around the world and even in indigenous cultures with verbal handed down histories like the aboriginals or the Lakota tribe or the Hopi tribe and so both all around the world I began to realize that we ourselves are potentially all sitting and standing on top of Atlantis and Atlantis was most likely a global civilization that had an origin point and the you know the reason behind this movie is we're investigating this is a this is an investigative report basically we're going to go and find out is this the origin point that we think it is of the building and spreading out around the world of the Atlantean civilization and I really do believe that Matthew you found something special here and I'm looking forward to digging into this research going to these ancient sites and working to make these amazing connections and you guys and gals the viewers can help us make this a reality you can help us bring this to fruition by supporting there'll be a link in the caption of this video or this audio podcast wherever you find it click that link and you can actually become a partner with us and help us put this film out by making a small donation of $100 you can actually be listed as a sponsor on our page on the website itself by making a donation of I believe $600 you can actually have $500 I'm sorry you can have your name as a credit in the actual film so you'll get a film credit which is incredible we'll give you a special thanks also when the film is listed on IMDB which I'm an expert at setting up those IMDB pages and for films and productions because I'm a producer I'll make sure that those names of those donors go on as an IMDB credit for special thanks as well so you'll get a special thanks on IMDB and of course you'll also get your name listed as a donor on the website so you'll be part of a film you'll be part of helping bring something to the world if you've been sitting around saying man I wish I could be a part of these things I wish I can get my information out to the world I wish I could find a way to help people have changed the paradigm well you can help by making a small sacrificing becoming part of a financial commitment to us to help us get out there and bring this to the world in a very very high level way I'm talking about the highest level not just a youtube production but a full-blown movie level production that can really give an impact to people who you may want to show it to that may think there's a lot of conspiracies and this is you know to woo woo but all of a sudden you bring them a high level production like this they almost have to pay attention right they have to watch and thanks to producers and like Prometheus and others that have produced you know shows like ancient aliens and many others that have lasted for 19 20 years thankfully those productions we know will catch the mind and hearts of people when they're produced with a high level of quality and that's what we are aiming to bring here right now and so it'll be airing in different locations that those specifics haven't been put out yet but we're going to bring it to the world in a way that hasn't been done before and so Matthew I know that this has been now this has become your passion project and it's really amazing how the universe works because all of a sudden you've got a lot of time to focus on this which is pretty amazing you know and which is it's a blessing you know everything happens in divine time the fact that all four of us can be on this screen at the same time in four different time zones is also a blessing you know these things these kind of alignments only happen all you know only a few times in a person's lifespan and this alignment of our timelines actually crisscrossing and actually connecting has happened here now and everyone who's viewing this right now you have a chance to be a part of something really special you have a part a chance to be a part of something that's going to help change the consciousness of humanity on this planet I have a quick question for Brian by the way so Brian I know you're an expert on the megaliths and you've been looking at a lot of these stone structures for literally decades I mean your work has been so inspiring and what types of stones have you seen out there in terms of like you know crystal granite uh diorite what kind of stones actually exist to some of these ancient sites well I would say the predominant ones are basalt which is a volcanic material quite high in in iron there's also andesite which generally is located around the Andes mountains but can be located in other parts of the world and granite is a very general term for a broad range of different stones like diorite and granite diorite now the stones like that which you predominantly find in Egypt so we're basically looking at volcanic stone that has a tendency to be high in quartz content and also in some cases iron as well very hard though right Brian like not always always hard always six to seven out of ten on the low scale where ten is diamond so you're you're talking stone that cannot be cut by anything less than advanced technology we're wondering why how bronze age civilizations could have could have been credited with doing any of that work right well true exactly that's the point right incredible and one thing that I found that I'll be bringing along with me a geiger counter just to measure background radiation you've got to see you know what level of radiation is coming out of some of these stones from my experience visiting visiting some of these megalithic sites I find that certain stones have more radiation coming out of them than others and in most cases there's more radiation than background so some of these stones are still radioactive which is pretty interesting you know could they have been able to use a harness some of that radioactivity in some of the construction process we know that these ancient builders were very very revolutionary in their thinking and use of tools they thought way outside forget the box they thought outside of the universe in terms of how to utilize tools and stone and I'm wondering if we can find or figure out if there's any connection between the ambient radiation and some of the ways that they actually were able to manipulate and mold these stones and get them to interlock together cut them hoist them up and everything else so it's going to be a great investigation when we go out there to start investigating these stones one thing I found out recently is that you know sandstone basalt for example they have us all stones have a particular resonant frequency but the particular resonant frequency of basalt and sandstone depending on the magnetic field and also radiation can be amped up or stepped up to higher kilohertz and when they get to a specific hertz kilohertz they can actually transmit frequencies which allow which can then piggyback data so you can actually get to a communications level of transmitting information I should say I'm sorry through stepping up the ambient frequency of some of these stones which means they may even be able to communicate directly through stone which is something even mind blowing so it's going to be incredible I'm looking forward to it. Brian what are your thoughts on the types of stone used like we talked about different types of igneous and metamorphic rocks but specifically basalt and andesite do you have any thoughts on why they might use that you mentioned high iron content maybe like a type of magnetism that's possible at some of these locations but I just wanted you to just mention that your thoughts on that because what are the chances and this is what's kind of bizarre is that I like to think of myself as someone who's studied well under you and I'm not aware of any other or very few other sites if any besides Tiwanaku, Pumapunku that used andesite in an extensive way besides ionis and the era of civilization is turkey it's like they were mirroring each other and there are other comparisons we can make with the lake depths and other things as well with the mountains but is your what are your thoughts on seeing so many megalithic sites as I said with basalt andesite is there like an energetic function what are your thoughts on that? Yeah there seems to be a direct relationship between energy or vibration and the type of stone material so the denser a stone you have the more resonant or vibrational its characteristics tend to be so that's why basalt or basalt and andesite are very good candidates for setting up a even a vibrational field because some of the structures ancient megalithic structures in Peru around the city of Cusco there is an obvious there used to be an obvious vibrational field that was created after the construction of the site itself so when you would walk inside the structure you would literally go into an alternate state of consciousness that's where that's where our term altar comes from it's from alternate state which of course Paul would know all about so yeah I love what Brian just said about the properties of these sites that are constructed a particular stone and the properties of stone with particular iron content and how it impacts the the human experience in those sites it just reminded me of what Plato had to say about ancient and previous civilizations when he gets onto the topic of the prior civilization the Atlantean civilization he says specifically that they were experts in metallurgy and I noted earlier that you go into ancient Armenia and the ancients remember the people who live there for being the pioneers of iron technology now when we hear pioneers of iron technology or experts in metallurgy you and I probably think oh okay so they were building things like the Eiffel tower were they so that we will find this this iron work in the civil engineering but we've made a huge assumption as to what they're using these metals for and I am coming to the conclusion that what Plato is referencing is not just civil engineering he's talking about all the properties of these metals which the ancients worked and it has to do with health and it has to do with altered states of consciousness incredible I'm glad you made that up Paul because quick question now a lot of people believe it or not that uh you know have a part of a religion Christianity mostly they tend to believe that the cross is something that began just a couple thousand years ago where you know can you talk a little bit about about the origins of the cross being far older than the story of Jesus aka Yeshua in the bible well I'll I'll give us sort of a bigger context for it because uh early in my career as a priest in the church of England I worked in a high church anglo-catholic church full of symbology and full of ceremony so I mean there are types of church where there's there's no symbolism there's no art you're in a plain box but this was at the other end of the spectrum everything was decorated everything was symbology and I was taught all the Christian interpretations for the symbology we were using you know what the altar meant why we had an altar stone that had to be ancient why we had a little covered in the corner where we would keep a piece of consecrated bread and why there'd be a candle flying over it why when the bishop turned up he would be vested in purple why he would be carrying a stick shaped like his shepherd's crook why he would wear a skull cap why we would do processions uh why we would wave incense everything had a Christian meaning and yet as I continued my theological journey I realized that if somebody from ancient Rome had turned up and watched our procession he would have said oh you got that perfect and I can see who's in charge here uh somebody from uh uh ancient Persia would turn up and say oh I can see who's in charge because he's wearing the royal purple chose by King Cyrus uh in the sixth century BCE uh somebody from Second Temple Judaism would appear and say oh I can see you've got um the the showbread just as we have and bit by bit I discovered that all the symbology that I was familiar with was far older than Christianity far older than Anglican Catholicism and that these symbols all carry earlier meanings. I talk about this a bit in my book The Eden Conspiracy where we pick up a a naus at Tel El Farah which has a symbology etched over it and conventionally we would go and we would say oh we know what these symbols mean in uh ancient Judaism and we'll come up with an explanation that this is all about harvest festivals and and when to hold them but uh symbology travels uh a long way and often predates what we think its uh usage might be if you look at those same symbols and ask what they mean in the root culture which as I mentioned before is the culture of ancient Samaria those symbols all carry a different meaning and we realized we're looking at a star map identifying where the person referenced on that naus came from and how they got here so there are all these layers of information and so you go to the cross and you might say oh I know exactly what that means uh that is a message about atonement well in my work in the Eden series I've shown that atonement is not the correct framework for the ancient Christian texts that that's not how they discussed the cross it did not mean that to them and now when we get into ancient Armenia we discover that the shape of the cross was carrying a meaning which predated Christianity by thousands of years and I I find this this really appeals to my sense of humor because the message of the cross is so central to how we conventionally understand the Christian story and yet just like those other symbols I mentioned it goes much further back and carries information from a far more ancient period in the human story and that's one of the things I'm really looking to exploring on site uh when we get to those sites in the new year and drill down into what were the original associations what did the cross mean before it got hijacked by a religion of guilt worship obedience and the need for atonement wow that's going to be so powerful so so powerful and Matthew you know we have a book coming out now it's finally done thank goodness it's done the epic of humanity by the way thank both of you Brian and Paul for you know giving a review on that book we appreciate you so much the book is finally here and in this book Matthew we kind of really go and try to you know give people the true epic going way back in time and coming forward and you know what you see in there is you see text ancient text ancient tablets I've got papyrus and cylinder scrolls we've got you know all this information in there but they all seem to be interlinked and the digger you the deeper you dig the further back you go so what we're finding is we just keep kind of moving back and back to get to this origin point which is what I think you've been able to do when you started researching all these different tablets and all these different texts did you ever foresee us going this far back in time no and actually one of the things that's been very interesting coming out of it studying climatic events in earth studying the digger dryus older dryus all this dryus and then other climatic periods of ice ages and inter interglacial periods the conclusion I've had to come to is that studying that flood story that's in the original Sumerian narrative the Audra Hasis version the original version and then connecting it to the the ancient temples like we're talking about with an altar with the first cross and these these lineages that go back to these Sumerian kings it's made me realize wait a minute so what we're talking about here is that civilization as we're told in school that doctrine is only 6000 years old when we emerged out of being hunter gatherers and started something different right but wait a minute though that there's a problem now even in in the sense of me connecting this to the younger dryus because not only is that 12 000 years old and not not only you're doubling that but I don't even believe it's from that event either because what we're told and and what Paul is shaking he said he knows over there is that in Plato's the Timaeus and Critias we know we know that Solon was told by the temple priest of Cice he was told to them by Sanchez said that there have been many many destructions of ancient Greece and other civilizations you Greeks only remember one deluge but there have been many of water and fire and with the more we look back the more we we think well how many versions of civilizations have come and risen and then been subsequently destroyed and what I've come to is studying Ionis the andesite stone built there comparing across the world to knowing where that time period exists and knowing that it first of all can't be younger than 12 000 years old because of the stonework tools available time periods different things like that and then saying well wait a minute though if Ionis is is from an event after a great catastrophe and then it was built it can't be right after the younger dryus because we don't see any emergence of an incredible civilizations after that if anything what we see after 12 000 years ago around the world is a more primitive reset like Graham Hancock says like species of amnesia which means that it had to be another iteration of the flood a complete other cycle and when I started to dial it in and to think wait a minute so we have the Sumerian kinglock list the Iraq list of kings and sages the ancient Egyptian kings list that come out the Turian king list we start to add those ages up we add up the ages that are in Christianity with Enoch we add up all of this and what it tells us is that Ionis in the state that it's in being somewhat preserved may be the oldest temple on earth which is why that first cross is there and I believe that it's well over 20 000 years well over and I want to actually give you the number we look at the ages of all this I believe that Ionis and this is going to be difficult for some to accept but I had to go back and look at Zeptepe periods of Egypt and different periods of alignment with star systems and different climatic periods and what I've come up with is that I believe that Ionis is potentially 20 30 could even be 50 000 years old which would align with these Elantian narratives from Edgar Cayce and others of this lost chapter in history when it seems to have been like a golden age where information was lowered about ascension and higher consciousness but also building giant temples and pyramids and it traveled around the world and they built all these things but where did it come from where did it start where did those sages come from where did that knowledge come from that's what's so exciting about this and how I think that Ionis and Kef Temple and Kavis and the whole lost era as civilization and the connections to Tiwanaku and Puma Punku is going to be profound enough and this is a loaded statement but with experts like Brian, Billy and Paul with the amount of money we're going to raise and to have something so high budget to be seen by millions around the world being followed by something like ancient apocalypse thank you Graham Hancock on Netflix this is now a progression to change this narrative so that foundation of sand like he's like he says finally collapses and the entire narrative and doctrine changes and this film and discoveries that we're going to try to connect here has that potential to do that and that's why it's so powerful yeah yeah absolutely wow I think the flood is a great entry point for a lot of people into these questions and the questions of previous civilizations and I know when the Unger Dryas Cold event really began entering into mainstream conversation a lot of people got very excited and so a lot of religious believers said oh this is great this is an affirmation of our flood story because there was there was flooding at the tail end of the Unger Dryas it must be that that's being remembered and then students of Plato said oh this is really exciting because the tail end of the Unger Dryas coincides with the timeline that Plato had for the loss of Atlantis except that's not the only flooding in the planet's story there would have been massive flooding at the beginning of the Unger Dryas Cold period the events that triggered it and in my research which as I say is in ancient texts indigenous narratives I find evidence for multiple flood experiences so you go to Genesis there's a flood in Genesis one there are two floods in Genesis six stories that have been fused together there's another planetary reset in Genesis 11 and in fact I think by the time you get to Genesis 11 you've read about five planetary resets Plato argued that planetary resets were actually a regular occurrence on this planet and he said every five thousand years or so something will happen something to do with objects in space impacting the conditions on planet earth that will mean there's going to have to be a reboot of some kind so there are breadcrumbs that lead people into this territory and we we might start off with what seems a simple picture or a recent picture but the more you probe the realize the more you realize this is an ancient ancient story of multiple confusions on our timeline multiple impacts on our planet and I'm so excited to be probing this with you guys in this project because I think there is so much more information that has been carried in our texts but also archaeologically when we start looking at fire damage and water damage around the planet and I think getting further down that rabbit hole is going to be exciting and it's going to change our view of the history not only of humanity but of the planet no for sure and I think that Brian's going to have a lot to offer to add to that because we're talking about catastrophes like you say happening in these cycles but these megalithic sites still withstanding till this current day the majority of them so Brian in your research have you seen any evidence of the construction techniques that will allow these megalithic structures to withstand earthquakes and other types of geological disasters oh definitely but what we also see is actually relates to what paul is just talking about and that's fire damage so we see vitrification which is turning stone into glass and in a lot of locations at karnak in egypt at different sites around lake titicaco we see obvious signs that usually from the east there was a heat source that came possibly plasma ejection from the sun that struck these sites and partially damaged them way way way in the distant past so yeah there's definitely evidence of that all of the megalithic structures tend to be earthquake proof but i think that's simply a side product i think again the original function was that these were vibratory structures of some kind the energy of the earth channeling itself into the structure and setting up an alternate field of energy inside each one of these structures yeah incredible yeah this is gonna guide us you know towards a whole new path matthew what are the implications for you know us on this planet based on this new information coming out how is it gonna affect us you know it's it's difficult to keep building it up in a way where people may be like that can't be that can't be that big but honestly it is because like paul if paul remembers when i pulled him into that fifth kind show and i was like paul look at this look at this box relief this giant stone basalt box from kef temple right check it out and i remember him like staring at and he was kind of quiet for a little while and we ended up talking about it for like almost an hour i think that because on that box which came from one of the adjacent sites one of the ancient temples that i think aligns with potentially like a rising of the sun and rising of the sun and then the other other temple is represents a setting of the sun i believe that's what their functions were aligned to as i've been studying the sites but the box itself from kef seems to be some kind of a like a teaching cipher for understanding these not almost like doctrines but doctrines in a way from a pure a pure standpoint so a doctrine is just like a set of rules a set of thoughts and processes here but this specific set that they seem to have carved precisely into this gigantic basalt box seems to be like a teaching that was passed around the world and it has these grooves underneath underneath it that are very bizarre like it was carried just like the arc of the covenant and it's quite large it's multiple feet by multiple feet long it's quite large box but on the box has these teachings and these the teachings seem to be closely associated with the same types of teachings we see it i honest but as like more of like a connection with understanding a wider understanding of what was passed that i honest and what i mean by it is that we get these these symbols that are then shown all around the world and brian sees them all over all over peru and bolivia and what it is and this is where you start to wrap your head around and get wild here imagine that these ancient civilizations were embodying the knowledge of something into structures that literally represented aspects of teaching and totalities but also connecting to the stars and creating this unison between heaven on earth and in the kept boxes they have this symbol that is a ziggurat step pyramid has exactly three levels okay there are three of them and each of them has a door in the center okay the central ziggurat doorway is precisely above this god haldi above on his head he's got the florida lee plumed symbol on his head fitting into the very center doorway that then above it has the florida lee flowering with the two griffons on either edge protecting it paul knew exactly what he was seeing when he saw that he was like this is an ancient spiritual religious teaching it's literally not only teaching us about the doorways of energy for how to ascend to reach literally the highest state of energy we can the highest state of consciousness that's what those doorways represent so the three represented what became a christianity the triptych or the trinity the holy trinity and it represents three aspects of us and that if we learn to balance these these harmonies of the of the left and the right side of us this masculine feminine energy these different concepts of the totalities of what exists as the the body the soul and the in the mind if we can balance them it showed this flowering of what we become like gods and it was trying to teach us the path to divinity and along with those symbols they have the ziggurat stepped doorway pyramid with the inverted version built right in with also arrows showing up down up down up down showing you the hermetic law constants that came out of hermes out of the greek hermes which literally i believe Greece came out of this civilization because the same grip and symbol the same symbols we see embodied into the ancient greek civilization which by the way playdough talks about was so long talks about that was a civilization that existed in the time of atlantis we're seeing what may be the origins of the ascension teachings and the origins of religion before it took a very different turn later on now not only that but haldi is holding a chalice in his hand while he's passing the seeds of knowledge or seeds of the tree of life which is shown right next to it with right above it this t shaped pillar over and over again above the tree of life showing this this balance of all things and we see those symbols spreading all around the world from that point so if we were to study the keff box relief which we are that's why we're going to that museum in akara and we're connecting into ionis and all the symbols and then we can figure out what they mean based on the associated understandings ryan knows that that that ziggurat temple symbol if you combine the the the above symbol within the inverted version becomes the jakana of south america it is the exact same symbol but they added more levels than the original three all the symbols that we find at tiwanaku and pumapunku are the same versions but slightly altered with their their own like take on it um and that's what is just very profound because so many people think well we don't really know what these mean we're not we're kind of think this means this or we have an idea that the indigenous groups believe this but what if you find the cipher and origin point of all of it and then all the symbols around it have the same depictions that we can put like a key in a lock and turn it and open something but what's inside that may be this key to us finally coming together to realize the origin point of who we truly are and what we could become absolutely so powerful and well said paul what are your feelings on this how this is going to affect us and change the world this these discoveries that we're going to bring forward I am so looking forward to the four of us sitting down in front of that basalt box because uh just to echo everything that matt just said when matt introduced me to it I I was just rooted to the spot because I realized what we're looking at it's like a you know it's like a time capsule it's like a message from beyond and the symbology on it it's the story of everything it's the story of who we are it's a story of a moment in history it's a story about our potential everything is wrapped up in that box and I agree with matthew that the heart of every ascension tradition is is there is there on that box the effect I for me the effect is to have so much more respect for antiquity and for the information that's been carried through the ages from the earliest of times because ascension traditions are fascinating they are often not the main syllabus of a religion or a spiritual tradition they're certainly not the main syllabus at school and the story of human migrations human conquests the stories of empire it's difficult to tell those stories without having at the same time to talk about the suppression of ascension traditions the suppression of shamanic knowledge the suppression of suppression of indigenous story and yet somehow these ascension teachings survive and they keep re-emerging and for me as a student of religious thought it's fascinating that I can go anywhere on the planet to any culture to any period in time and there will be an aspect of previous ancient lost knowledge resurfacing via this indigenous priesthood via this secret society embedded in this symbology at this site and to get to the root of all that the root of the information that will never go away that is always protected that always re-emerges is going to be so exciting I remember I think it was JB Phillips talked about the experience of retranslating the New Testament and he said it was like rewiring a house with the power still turned on and I think that's the experience we're going to have as we go to the root of all this information the information that lies at the heart of every ascension tradition and I think because it's at the heart because it predates everything we've been taught it has the potential to unify people in a powerful way to release people from narratives that have dominated for a long time that have kept people bound controlled managed not exploring and inspire a whole new era of hunger appetite exploration it is really the information and energy of renaissance and that's that's my grand hope for what's happening right now and the information we will find at these sites that's the energy we will be tapping together oh yeah I can't wait and Brian what are your thoughts on how this will affect civilization on this planet as well well I think to find you know what you would might call the source would be absolutely profound it does make sense that it would be located in an area such as Armenian and Turkey because you know so many ancient traditions go back that far I'm eager to do a comparison of the symbolism between what is located around that part of the world and what we find in Tewanako and Pumu Punku I've seen a few photographs that show from Matthew that show very striking similarities so um yeah to see if there's a even stronger link would be really interesting and yeah just to go to a site that is relatively similar to what I've seen in different parts of the world but possibly even older would be absolutely profound and you know just from my perspective my point of view uh you know I remember a few years ago Matthew actually the day that we talked about doing the epic of humanity book which is finally out now three three and a half years ago or something three and a half years ago yeah I went up to Maine and hung out with you we went to a private island we did a podcast on the myth of Adapa what where I what I see coming out of this is the knowledge that's encoded into that tablet not just by reading it and saying oh this is what they said but actually feeling it and experiencing the fact that we are powerful beings that we are supposed to seek the light that the light is already in us and the knowledge is already in us we just haven't tapped into it fully yet and to be able to help humanity reach its full potential and so I'm really excited about this opportunity I'm excited to be part of this team uh and this is this to me this is an all-star cast I'm just um I'm just really you know appreciative to even be a part of this and to be able to go and see these sites as you know I love my passion is traveling my passion is visiting these sites and doing the research in person I really truly believe that's the only real way to get the right perspective and perception of some of these locations which is why I have so much respect for Brian Forster because like you said earlier Matthew gotta give this man credit he inspired me to go out even further and further and continue to look and and go out there because every time you turn around this guy's at another site and it's like man this guy's getting to the knowledge he's getting his hands dirty and that's what it takes and that's what we're gonna do we're gonna get our hands dirty we're gonna bump heads we're gonna come up with different hypotheses and ideas we're gonna you know I remember we did that we did a series before uh you know you and I and a few other people and it was um it was you know we bumped heads a little bit we gotta figure out like how do we how does this congeal how does it all come together uh but it's gonna be so exciting for not only us but also the people watching to see us begin to put lay down real research and see what it really takes um you know that it's not just uh you know you just sit in front of a camera and come up with all these crazy hypotheses that you're actually really gotta go do some real work and you have to put real knowledge and receipts I call it receipts behind what you're speaking to come up with these you know enough circumstantial evidence that's going to prove a point to the people so I think it's going to take everyone on this journey you know uh and it's going to be amazing and everyone again listening right now whether you're watching or listening there's a link in this podcast there's a link in the caption of this video you can become a part of this journey with us you can come on this journey uh with us you can be a part of this and live through this vicariously through us you can actually be a part by making a sacrifice making a donation of $100 will list you as a sponsor on the website and if you make a donation of $500 you actually get a chance to get your name in the credits you can put you can sponsor even more than that we'd like for you to be a part of helping us make this a reality uh and we want to produce it at the very highest level that we possibly can we don't want this to be a zoom documentary nothing wrong with that but that's not what this is this is going to be on the same level of a netflix amazon prime video forbidden knowledge tv all the all that level that's what we're talking about producing a hulu level whatever you want to call it the level that could be released even in a box office if you wanted to that's the level of production that we're shooting for that's what we're going to achieve because we're masters of our own destiny we truly believe that and you can be a part of that by clicking that link and becoming a supporter today everyone I wish we could talk for 10 000 more hours but we can't but I think that the people who listen to this got a lot out of it they got to learn a little bit about each one of us and here's some of our perspective and eject objectives on on this new experience this new incredible journey we're all going to go on together and does anybody have any final words people will be sharing a process with us this is not going to be like a dry documentary this is how it is here is an alternative timeline there are going to be four four heads four researchers uh bumping up against each other exploring together comparing ideas together uh of course four individuals never agree 100 on everything so because of that we're going to be teasing out the implications of what we're seeing challenging each other on our interpretations and I think that's going to be a whole lot more fun than some expert standing behind a lectern saying this is how it is everybody and that is going to make it a really dynamic experience people will be sharing our discoveries in real time as it were as they see us on these sites and having these conversations absolutely brian anything you want to say before we get out of here brian no I just want to thank uh thank the three of you for coming together like this I think this could be somewhat similar to the Beatles like four aspects coming together to create a whole body mind heart spirit I like beautiful I look forward to uh future discussions with you guys about this and I'm very excited to be part of this so thank you all for allowing me to be a a member a great adventure gentleman all right a great adventure to change history absolutely so you guys heard it guys and gals click the link become a part of this journey with us make sure you uh sponsor a lot of people like I said before always say I wish I could be a part of something like this I wish I can help bring more information and knowledge to the world well this is your opportunity to feel like you're part of this to actually be able to help sponsor this project so we can produce it at the highest level everyone thanks for joining us tonight or today or wherever you are in the world and we'll be back soon with more information about the lost area project or whatever this story or the title is going to be eventually but you can help support us by clicking that link today