 Do you have pleasant dreams? I don't remember them, but the ones that are bad usually stand out. Here's some irony for your ass. I don't think I've ever had a pleasant dream. When people go sweet dreams, I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. I would say four nights a week, my dream is that I'm at SNL and Lauren is mad at me. Now, four nights a week, this is going back 20 years. Is that not insane? Is that not insane? I'm a super fan of the show? I'm a super fan of the show? Okay. Always knew someone there, Mike Schur, Seth, a bunch of people, like. Everybody. Somehow, I didn't ever spend time there until Dave hosted in 2016. So like, I'm not kidding. Four nights a week, Lauren's mad at me. And Lauren's never been mad at me. I wonder if Lauren is the representation of like the biz. I think unequivocally he is. And you feel like at SNL is like, you being the writer and outputting or you being the kneel that we all know you for. Something. And you're not doing enough or you're not doing it right. Yeah, like I'm just in, it's like a straight, it's like high school. It still baffles me. I don't even think talking to Lauren about it would help. Not at all, because I don't think it has anything. I think it's all like a slightly metaphor. It's all a metaphor for, it's just a stress stream. It's like the most basic one. And your mind kind of sugar blanketed it and put it into an environment that you like. And then it's like, oh, well, this is how I can handle breaking down as opposed to like the world pressures of like how's my Netflix special doing or how's this doing or whatever. You can consolidate and put it in a world where you can actually function and kind of see or maybe kind of dissect what's happening without over panicking. Like if it's too big, you know what I mean? Like, you know, my number's in Australia as low, yo. Like that's enough to give anybody a heart attack. You worry about Australia. Right, I'm like, this fake sketch that I wrote isn't gonna, isn't working for this, like whatever. And it's, by the, I have those too sometimes. I had a different one, a different genre that some SNL people were in. What's your experience there like? It's a highly emotional, you know, fucking stress pot that bubbles up to the top. I'm there every night, bro, for eight hours. It's like starting a new pot every Monday and it's gonna boil over and you know it by Saturday. But what's funny is, you don't seem to strike me as the kind of person who writes a sketch and then gets like, might cry if it gets cut. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a big crier anyway. Or whatever, getting the call and claring people. I've had very emotional like experiences with like, you know, your writing is very personal to you, you know what I mean? So anytime I put up something that is lame or it doesn't connect for whatever reason, I'm like, fuck man, you know what I mean? Like it doesn't feel good at all. How do you ride out the downs? You have to learn that that place is special and there will probably be a tomorrow, you know what I mean? Like when it's the end of the season and you're looking back on your season and you've been fucking up and you're new, you know, that's grounds to be nervous and there's kind of nothing for anybody to help you with that. But when you're in like season three and four and five and you've been doing it for a while and you're still getting your shit cut, you gotta like start to separate, you know, the emotional attachment of your ideas to yourself and just kind of just keep searching and fishing and working with others, you know what I mean? What's funny is you're like the best and worst person to get advice from? Cause you'd be like, look, you're gonna be here 20 years. Yeah, bro. Look, you're gonna be here 20 years. There's a chance for you to be here like it's nothing, you know what I mean? There's always a show, blah, blah, blah. There's gonna be so many more. You're gonna get 400 shots at it like I have. It's not like you're gonna be showing the door awkwardly at any given point of the year. No, you're not gonna get replacement season. That's never happens to me. But I think that's kind of the best way to navigate the storm a little bit when you're in it there because those cuts are gonna happen and they're gonna happen a lot. You know what I mean? It's just what it is. Do follow-ups. Meaning, you and Brian, the great Brian Tucker who wrote on Chappelle show, he pitched the racial draft and player haters ball and something else that I'm forgetting. But like a great, a huge fucking help on Chappelle show like I think me and Dave owe him money. Meaning just he was like the only person really Charlie Dunnell and him were like the one. He says he gets someone recognizing him from I know black people like once a week to this day. By the way, I do too. They think I'm him. Which is just look, racism works both ways. Yeah, white people look like all the same. It's fine. But what I'm curious about is they go, Tucker goes, they fucking got it. Do you go, what? Let me go talk to somebody? Or do you just go, fuck it? A bit of both. Like sometimes when I feel strongly about it, I'm like, all right, so what's going on? Why are we, is there anything that I can do differently? Can we try this again next week or whatever? Like I need more of a conversation. And sometimes I'm like, fuck it, I don't give a fuck. Like I saw that comment or I heard it in the room. Like it just didn't connect. Oh, right. What if a sketch. But I'm not a sketch, get a standing ovation and get cut. You know what I mean? And I was really like kind of pissed about it. But don't let me gloss over praise in Brian Tucker, by the way. Because everything I've done great on that show. What did Tucker write for you? It's dynamic. What up with that? It's the best. What's up with that? Black Jeopardy, Family Feud, you know, mostly anything, you know, black and kind of. Yeah, and by the way, he's a white person to white person. Look him up. Brian Tucker, I know black people. He's a white man. But he loves, you know, black culture and he writes, you know, comedically very well in that kind of direction. You get in rhythm. Yeah. And like I need that writing structure. You know what I mean? Like I have all of the reference material. I need just growing up and watching what I've watched. But if I want to bring what I thought was funny about Dolomite or, you know, all those, you know, things I grew up on school days and like I have to, you know, formulate it a certain way. And like some people might not have ever heard of Spike Lee. So I got to like keep that in mind in my eye. Well, if I'm going for this joke here, how do I get everybody on the same page from this point to that point? You know what I mean? Yeah. That's, you know, where he's filled those gaps in my life, you know what I'm saying? Because up until that point, I was kind of struggling. What year was that? He came in... He came in 05. 05, so it was like my second year. They put them on waivers. We didn't develop what's up with that until like my seventh year, something like that. So we were doing like one offers or whatever. So yeah, that's what I always wonder with you, which is like, how do you weather the, just the emotions of it? Because I've worked at Siren Live for three weeks and I'm just like, no, I'm good. That's when it's too much, you know what I mean? When it's a tight window like that, it's just like, oh, this is chaos. Right, yes. And also like, yeah, I didn't get like the, like the whole season worth of like, hey, I had some ups and downs. It was like, I mean, just three weeks as opposed to 20 weeks, you know what I mean? We have 20 weeks. And by the way, it's three weeks over four years. Right. So it wasn't like... Yeah, it was a pressure cooker every single time. It was like, what you got, what you got, what you got. All right, thanks a lot for coming. No, no, no, I had good shit that got whatever. It's a whole other argument. But because of my ego from doing a show, it's like, man, you're not cutting my shit. Like, you know what I mean? Oh, for sure. Like if you have a show and then you come to a place where you're like, we decided, you know, like... It was hard in my first season coming from Nickelodeon and all of that, like, to not be utilized. Like I remember getting like, you know, I call it getting donated where you don't get a sketch at all. You just got a big zero and you're not on the show at all that night, but you're there. Do you do good nights? You got to do good nights, you know what I mean? And like that's the tradition. Good nights when they all stand and wave and if you've got nothing on, you just got to stand. And you got to stand there and look and sob to you or crying or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, what am I doing this for? I'm very confusing. Like, I think I yelled at my manager, a guy who didn't deserve that at all. I'm just like outputting towards somebody who happened to be there. Yeah. And what I realized was that nothing is coming out of this temper tantrum. Like I still have the right of sketch that's going to work. Like me being mad about last week doesn't make this funny that I'm trying right now. Right. You know what I'm saying? So you just have to learn how to like, let it go. Hey, did you like that? Did you like that? Yeah, did you like it though? You want more? Don't want to work? Would rather watch videos of me grab assing with people? First of all, go up here to subscribe and then go up here to watch more clips. This is like when the weatherman says there's a high pressure system coming in. Hello, I'm not really used to the green screen.