 So you go over where you want to be, Eric. You know, we got camera controls over here. It is season two, episode 47. And oh boy, oh boy, do we have a little bit of a show for you today because we have special guests coming back on hoops. What up, buddy? Happy to be here. Thanks for having me back. Man, it has been a long time. It has been a while. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. That's tomorrow, so. Yeah, happy Thanksgiving. All right, so we're just going to get right into it with what we've been playing lately. We'll go around the room. I guess we'll start right next to be with Mr. Eric Moore. What are you been playing lately? I've been playing Tears of the Kingdom almost through all the shrine quests. Yeah, it's kind of been my focus right now. I got all the dungeons done, except for, I guess, the fifth one that I'm not supposed to know about. Yeah, so I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what I'm talking about either. So yeah, no, that's kind of been my next thing is kind of just going through, making sure I got all the missions completed and then start heading towards the actual final part of the game here. So yeah, yeah, sweet man, hidden in the home stretch. Yeah, you might actually defeat Gammon Dorf before Yulia does and she's got like 500 hours. Yeah, possible. Of course, she's like about to beat every single shrine and everything. I don't know. She's going nuts right now. Yeah. Jake Randall, are you sure you're going to keep it clean tonight for starters? I'm not so sure. I can't make any promises. I love to. I love to make a promise, but I can't. But I am going to try because it is Thanksgiving Eve. So I'm going to do the best I can. But if I messed up, you know, it don't bother me none because Thanksgiving for me, too. All right, so just keep it clean with me. OK. All right, I'll keep it in my heart. What are you playing lately, bud? Um, so this is like, I think the first week all year where I don't think I played anything. I've been crazy busy and it sucks because I got the PlayStation Portal last week. And I'm like, I feel like I'm the only one who got one and it immediately tested out. But that's probably going to be my next thing because I want to make a review for it before Black Friday. So hopefully I'm going to be playing a whole heap of PlayStation games tomorrow. That doesn't mean I still don't have room for Nintendo in my heart. Hmm. I don't know, man. I think you're leaving Nintendo behind. You're cheating. Oh, no, no, no. I like to go both ways. Oh, oh, well, I'm getting to clean. I have a two inch destroyer. I would know. Um, oops, buddy, what have you been playing lately? Well, I've also been playing Tears of the Kingdom. I have not quite yet beat it yet, but my goal is to beat it by the end of the year. That's what I'm. That's my like standard I'm setting for myself. And I also recently have been playing some of the Pokemon DLC and just gearing up for part two of that coming up. So that's what I'm focusing on. Wait, wait, Nate, can I can I plug my own Twitter real quick because I just see a couple of things in the chat? I mean, sure. All right, well, since we're talking about the PlayStation portal and people in the chat are like, you got one. How did you get one? I literally that's what I do is I help people get it. So if you want to if you want to try to get one, just follow me on Twitter. That's what both my content is based around. I started by helping people get the PS5 like since before launch day, like helping people pre-order it. So I'll Jake Randall on Twitter. May or may not keep it clean, but I'll get you a goddamn PS portal. And hey, you guys looking for the switch to next year, I already know who I'm first message, Jakey. Let me know. I got you now. Got to get it in. Well, you got to get it in. Got to get it in. You know, I've I've actually had that on my mind because when the switch came out, my brother worked at GameStop and I also went to high school with his manager, so I like had the best in ever. And now I don't have that. So I got to like figure something out. All right. Well, I got you too, then. Dope. I'll hit you up. Awesome. Awesome. And I guess that that comes that comes back to Moa for starters, a week where Jake doesn't play games and Eric does is just right now. I'm I'm I'm not processing this at the moment. Eric, you literally just talk too much. I know that's just what it is. But no, look, you guys, it's no secret, guys. I for the first time in podcast history, I missed a show last week. Literally, first time ever, I've done like 700 episodes, but I was sick. It is what it is. I was pretty sick. You guys all know about all that at this point. But that also means I had some downtime and I got the game, which is pretty nice. Shout out to my fiancee who set up my switch in my bed because I was too weak to actually physically hold my switch. But I could play it on the TV, so I was all good. And I got some gaming and lots of Mario wondered. Lots of the challenge levels in Mario wondered, which maybe when my brain isn't fully working, probably isn't a good idea. But you know what? I did it anyways. Then I played some tears of the kingdom. And then, you know, who needs a who needs a PlayStation portal? Just play it a little Spider-Man, too. Streaming straight to my phone, baby. But it's too small. Not a real dual sense. See, see, I won. I had a real dual sense, by the way. Is it a real dual sense when you don't like it all in one piece, like the form factor of the switch? That's fine. That's fine, buddy. I thought you like it. I guess I guess I guess no. Well, here's the thing. As I was playing it on my phone. Who plays their switch and tabletop mode? As I was playing it on my phone, you know what I also realized? Hey, you know, where else I could stream? Straight to my Apple TV. So then I just played the PlayStation 5 on my TV without the PlayStation 5 being in there. Who needs who needs a portable when they could just what? That's that's the dumbest thing of all, because you can. Why would you do that? Why would you go to play the TV right now? Do you stream it and get a worse connection and play it on my TV? Do you see how big this is? Do you see how big it's like a brick? It's like a cement block. I didn't have to move it and I got to play it upstairs on a TV. I'm confused. I don't know how this is a problem. Because you could have just played it directly on your PS5 on a TV. That would have required me to get up while sick, crawl to my basement, try not to drop this brick as I'm trying to carry it up the stairs, fumble around, mess with some wires, or I could just click a button on Apple TV. And here I am playing. Hey, some people live their whole life sick and we're still not that week. OK, oh, yeah, it's because you're used to it. I'll see if I was sick my whole life, you get accustomed. And I know you're just not strong. That's OK. Stay less. No, I'm just kidding. I'm obviously being I'm being a jerk. I know you were rough shaped last week, buddy. I was pretty bad. Anyways, so I played Spider-Man two and then gosh, what else did I play? There's something else I played, too. I didn't play any Madden, surprisingly. I mean, I technically I played a game today in one, but it's whatever. So you did. I told my Madden leagues, you know, it's screw off. I'm too sick to give a shit. You must have told that to your fantasy football team every week. You know, I'm only one game out of the playoffs. Right. Yeah. Fourth place with a losing record would be impressive. Yeah. See, here's the thing. Aren't you playing the guys in first place right now and about to get your ass kicked? Like, you see that he's like the number one scoring team in the league, right? Yeah, but we're both we're tied for first. I beat him last time. Well, when he beats you this time, I really hope you win the week after because you're playing the guy I need to lose. So I got you to the bench every day. Oh, thanks for letting me know I determine if you make the playoffs. Have a good day. No, no, I'm going to try to win every week. I know we play each other in the final week before the playoffs. That's when you can knock me out. That's all right. That's that's when I rest the team. I am like the second highest scoring team in the league. I don't know how the hell I am not in the playoffs. But you know what? It's because you know what happens, Jake? When you're the best, you get everyone's best every week. That's just how it is. It's kind of I think it's more random, but I mean, if you want to go look, I'm pretty sure like I have significantly more points scored against me than any other team in the league. I don't even think it's close. But I guess I'm just ready to get everyone's best week every week. Well, dude, it's not like I'm calling Patrick Mahomes on the phone. Oh, you're going up against me this week, play extra hard. Oh, you totally are. God damn it. What if I was just like with every player? Yeah, like, oh, Nate, you won. But you know what I did do? I called Mark Andrews up and told him to go tears. A.C.L. quick and be done. Hey, Travis Kelsey, I know you're probably busy right now with Taylor Swift stuff or whatever. But you got to understand I'm playing Nintendo Prime this week, buddy. You want to switch to Travis? You want to switch to. Look, I'm going to need two toddies and one 50 this week. I'm just letting you know you let Mahomes now you guys work it out. Look, I'll buy the next album. I guess. Anyways, no, I have actually played quite quite a bit compared to my usual week. I mean, it was really random, guys, because I was really weak. I was really tired, so felt like I was playing a lot. But then didn't really make a lot of progress. So then did I really play? I don't know, but I was playing games. I physically had a controller in my hand a lot over the last week. But I did my best. It was fun. The thing is games aren't as enjoyable when you're sick. I found that out because I've never been this sick before in my life. And it really was not as enjoyable when you're sick, because when you're coughing every five seconds and you're tired and your head hurts and your chest hurts and you shit and piss everywhere, you know, it's like, what the fuck? So that being said, we have a slide that in there and walk away. It's everywhere. All right, that's everywhere. Yeah, a lot of you can do it, but that was like that was Sunday. Anyway, all right. So I don't even have the topics up because, you know, I'm a great, amazing host. Hey, guys, I'm a little rusty. I missed a week here. All right. All right. It's all right. Hey, a lot of people can't get it up if they've just been sick. Now, that actually wasn't a problem. Hey, happy to hear it. Happy to hear everything is fully fun. Functional down there. That's the one part of my body. They didn't, it didn't care. It was raring to go. Um, all right. So get into the first topic of the week. We only have a couple of topics today. Guys, you guys can submit questions, of course, for the third topic. You guys, you don't know, you can super chat in like two bucks and up and just ask questions about video games or whatever. And we'll throw that in our last topic. You can submit that stuff all throughout the podcast and we'll feature it on screen. But the first topic that we have here is going over some game award stuff. Now, I'm, but I'm not going to rehash stuff that Andres restarted last week. Thank you so much, Andres for hosting. Sorry, you couldn't make it this week, but things happen. Uh, so you guys, they went over like all the categories in the game of the year and all these debates last week. This week, though, I kind of want to just talk about something that wasn't talked about as much. And that is what, if anything, is Nintendo going to show at the game awards because nine of the last 10 years, Nintendo has actually shown something new at the game awards. It's a common misconception among Nintendo fans that Nintendo doesn't show up. Nintendo has actually showed up with more things in the last decade than any other company, believe it or not. They actually support the show the most doesn't show something every year. Microsoft doesn't show something every year. Ubisoft doesn't show something every year. EA doesn't show something every year. Ad division, Blizzard wasn't showing stuff every year, but Nintendo every year has showed off something new except for one year in the last decade. That was 2021. That was the only year they skipped. And I talked about it in my video today, probably because of the pandemic. I'm assuming game delays is, you know, it just didn't line up for him. Lots of companies didn't show a lot of stuff in 2021, but they did show something in 2020. So the thing is, what if anything is Nintendo going to show now? What do you guys think? Could be anything. Could be DLC. Could be, it's not going to be a new Smash character. So they can't go to that well. Last year was Bayonetta Origins and Fire Emblem Engaged DLC. I'm thinking, I mean, I'm one of the people that doesn't really think they're going to show much, so I'm not the best person to answer this. Damage, Jake. Well, part of the reason why is I still think there's a possibility, even if it's not the first something new GTA six. Sure, GTA six is dropping. And I think Nintendo just. Doesn't want to hit something they really care about against potentially being drowned out in the moment by that. I don't think they care because GTA six won't be on Switch. Kind of irrelevant to their audience. Yes, but I think it is relevant to like video gamers as a whole. Well, sure. And I don't think they want their number one thing to be announced on the same day as the GTA six reveal. But I do think something like what they've been consistent in releasing like, you know, Fire Emblem DLC, the Bayonetta spinoff stuff that it's brand new announcements to the game awards, but it's not like their biggest thing. You know what I mean? So I do think we get something fun and new from Nintendo. You think it's going to be small as you always say. Hypersponsibly, right? Actually, I retired that quote. I'm done. Why is there a story behind her? You sure? The story is this. It ain't fun. It's boring. Yeah, so now you just hype irresponsibly. You were just an irresponsible hyper now. Wait, hyper, I hardly know her. All right, sorry. All right, now I'm going to retire that one. So no, I did do the hypersponsibly thing for years. And I kind of just realized after doing it for like three straight years, it's so boring. There's no energy. There's no love. There's like if something doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. I'm not someone that gets like mega disappointed. Well, here's the thing. I do want the same page because I agree. You should hope for the world, but just have no expectations. So you're still like hyping your expectations responsibly. But hope for the best. You know what I mean? I'm coin flip switch to at the game awards. I don't know if that's hyping responsibly over there. All right, we're over here. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be there, but I do think I do think I made my I made the argument in my video today that switch to while I don't think it's going to get teased here, I will say that if and I mentioned this, if Nintendo was worried about GTA six, there's only one announcement they have that could compete next to GTA six. And that would be I don't think it would want to announce three Mario shown off on it. I don't think they would want to announce the switch to at an event that wasn't completely owned and operated by them. Because see, if they if they announce it there, you know what? They know it can happen. They show off the 3D Mario and right at the end of the trailer, small little five second tease that GTA six is also on switch too. Now they now they just adopted the GTA six announcement. Yeah, I like that theory like that. That we're not going to do it. Right, that would be but that would be the ideal thing and nothing could top it for sure. And I mean, if GTA six was going to be on switch, that would be a win-win for Rockstar because it would just be more hype. It's more hype. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, if that was possible, that could happen. That would be amazing. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's possible. It's just right. I agree that it is highly unlikely. Just very unlikely. Yeah. The only reason I can't rule it out yet. Yeah, I would do only reason and I talked about it in my video that Nintendo that I could see Nintendo consider it just be a tease. They want like the full blow up for the system will be later. But the only reason I even entertained it is because the game awards draws an audience that is like eight times bigger than the audience Nintendo can draw on their own. So if they wanted to tease a new system there and they think it would help with their transition, hit on a massive audience all at once and and a lot of Nintendo fans are going to be watching as well. Their audience is going to be there. Why? Nintendo is the most nominated company. And they have two games up for Game of the Year. Nintendo fans are going to be all over that event. They left E3 because they were tired of making their biggest announcement on not their own platform. E3 also never. Well, it makes no sense for them to be like, you know the game awards are like E3 more. Yeah, sure. Let's do them on something. That's essentially the E3 replacement. Yeah, but the E3 replacement gets seven times the audience E3 ever got. E3. Ever got? Yeah, dude, there's three. You get reported on by like me. Last year, the game awards were streamed to over 120 million people at the same time. That's like the entire audience. Yes, but the entire audience, though, are all gamers. No non-gamer watches the game awards. And who's Nintendo? It's not like there's going to be like new eyes. You know what I mean? I don't know how in their system to again. I'm confused. And gamers will be more. I mean, we're just going in circles, but gamers are going to be more interested in the GTA 6 thing. Some it's not like it's not like someone who's never played video games in their lives. They're going to be like, oh, I'm going to I'm going to watch the game awards tonight. Oh, what's this? Nintendo. OK. Oh, I'm going to bring this up about GTA 6. And I'm only going to mention it once. It is literally one of the most casual video games in the entire video game market. It's primary audience won't even be watching the game awards. And I know that sounds crazy. But when you sell 190 million copies, you have a point. But I I do think the amount of people that play that game will be watching the game awards. You have the biggest market for the game. Yes, watching the game awards. No, I understand that. People who buy one are probably the amount of people that appeals to is so high. Even the people that aren't watching the game awards that are interested in that game is going to be higher than the interest for any other game showing the game awards. I agree. I do still agree with what you said about that. I just think that once you're getting 190 million people, like you're you've got to hit there is going to be a lot of casuals. You're right. That's mass market appeal, definitely. Like literally there's only very, very few video games get up there. Not even Mario Kart touches that. I mean, we're talking like Minecraft. Like it's there's like a select few games that can hit that larger audience. So anyway, yeah, GTA 6 is going to be great. And I assume it's going to be, by the way, nobody knows for sure that it's going to be showing their guys. All the all Rockstar said is it's going to be shown in early December. So people are like, oh, well, what's it early December? The game awards that could literally just drop it next week. Like we we don't know when they're actually going to show it. But I don't think they're going to do that. Well, here's the thing. They don't need the game awards. GTA doesn't need game awards. Oh, I know. So that's the thing. Like they don't technically need it. So do they game awards? Need but here. But here's the thing with the game awards, getting GTA. The game awards probably increase some viewers. Game awards would probably do any just about anything to get GTA 6 to draw something exclusive. But remember what you just said? Oh, well, Nintendo won't show anything because it won't show anything big because of GTA 6. And why would anyone else show anything big because of GTA? No, I agree. So then why would the game awards have any other game show and but GTA 6? So it might actually be a negative for the game awards because now here's the thing. I think some some third party companies that normally wouldn't be able to get the big spotlight will be very eager to show some incredible projects that are not announced yet because they know that, OK, the major companies aren't going to want to compete with that. So we'll be the ones that people are like, OK, what else was there? And then they get to stand out a little more. That would be my thought process. If I worked in one of these companies, I think all the major companies are going to be dropping something. Sony's going to I think they're all going to be dropping something. Just not the biggest things. I think they're going to have big games there. OK. Big, big games like I know we talk about. Oh, why would they replace you through? Because none of these companies on their own can draw the audience and the audience that's watching this all that once is bigger than any audience that's watched anything live stream for you three. It's this audience is worldwide. It's in it's all over Asia. It's all over Japan. It's all over Europe. It's all over the U.S. Like literally it's the biggest of gaming events. I get what you're saying. I still agree with you. I think every company will drop something big. I'm not saying that they won't. I'm just saying their biggest thing, I think, for the major companies will be held back. They could, you know what I mean? Like that's always been made up of what the biggest thing is. Yeah, I guess it is. Because like even Sony, they got multiple massive IPs. Nintendo, Nintendo announced a new Zelda when their biggest thing was a new Mario. Well, you could you could argue what the biggest thing is. I go, I mean, I agree. I go, you're saying. Or if they showed the Pokemon DLC or revealed Pokemon there, which I don't think they would do one thing. I don't think there's really a chance of because. Yeah. The Pokemon company, I don't think really cares about the game award. Yeah. And they'll like never be nominated for anything. But as long as we can agree that Baldur Gate Baldur's Gate 3 is just going to not get that out of here. We already have a bet on that. Anyways, beyond the switch to pipe dream, just to throw some of my stuff that out there that I was thinking, if Nintendo wants to go big, I don't think that there is a lot of options for them right now because of the new hardware coming up, but there are a few things they could do that Nintendo fans would be pretty satisfied with. As an example, like this thing's been rumored for like three years at this point, but you could drop the Wind Waker or Twilight Princess HD there. Zelda's up for multiple awards. You know, say it's going to win Best Action Adventure game. You drop the trailer right after it gets a dub there. You have Zelda fans watching. They're excited. They see this. It's not like a super big game. Not really that big of a deal coming out next summer. Something like that. Sure, I can see that. And I do think Nintendo has almost gotten petty to the point where how they haven't released that whenever like all their rumors come out there, just like no FU. We have enough other things that we can just not release this if you're going to keep leaking it. It's kind of funny. I don't think it could be like a swan song type thing. And I could see it being announced the game awards. I think that's actually pretty likely. I could see that happening, too, just because next year is kind of the year of sort of like ports and like smaller remakes and stuff like that for the switch. But also I've kind of adopted the idea that the reason why they haven't done those ones yet and they're the only Wii games they haven't ported is because they want to save those for the next system and have it be like if not a launch title, like an early title, because that would really kind of sway people. And then you can go, oh, it's 4K 60 FPS. So I mean, I say you're saying who you could also make the argument that they were saving them to be the swan song title possibly. Yeah, I could I could see it both ways just because it's like it's easy. They can also just release one now and then one on the next system, too. I guess people will be so mad. People will be mad. I don't I don't know if it's fully backwards compatible and then they just decided to release a patch later that gives you the same upscaled 60 FPS. Oh, I don't know the only other thing that I thought and this is by the way, major announcement. So switch to is like a pipe dream where you get. Well, can I ask you a question, Nate, about it first? Yeah. Don't you think if the Nintendo and released or announced either one of those by itself without even implying the other would come later, but just announced one of them? Don't you think the immediate reaction from the families would be, why aren't you pairing it with the other? Why is it just one? No, because the Nintendo has never paired them together. They've literally. Yeah, they never did that. Not super. That was over Mario. No, the Zelda has always been. They released on the GameCube of Zelda games. Yeah, that was different. That was a collection. Yes. Yeah. So why wouldn't they release it in a collection? Why would it be a collection? Everyone knows that both games exist and associate them together at this point. I think it was given together because they were both on Wii U. I think you have an unpopular opinion right now. No, no, no, I think. Well, hold on, hold on. My opinion is I'd love it to be a dual pack. That's your opinion of whether they want that to happen. I don't think Nintendo is going to do that. But your opinion of whether it's possible that they do it as just one because all all of that possibilities was always speculation and until Nintendo actually not even not even the possibility that the just one. Your opinion is that if they did it as just one, fans wouldn't be upset that it was just one didn't include the other. I don't I don't think they would. I think they'd just be happy to upset every single time, even if there's no precedent, like you said, OK, fine. If you want to argue, there will be some fans looking to gift horse in the mouth, bitching about it. Sure, I'll take I'll take it. You can I won. As long as they as long as they launch for 40 bucks and not 60, it's all good. They'll launch for 60. I have more people are probably to be pretty pissed, but it is what it is. I think the only way to justify 60 is have both. It would I could see Nintendo pulling a 70 for both. Could you see that? No, I could see that. Not just because it's like it's not it's not like some B tier series. It's Zelda. So they write and they put a point in the game they did it for a standalone brand new Zelda. But it's even doing 35 a piece for the remastered. How many Nintendo games need 16 gigabyte cartridges? Yeah, OK, but they still did they sell did they give you a discount if you bought it digitally? My no. OK. That doesn't matter. Though the point the point is because of the cartridge size. Yes, when there is there has been other games released with that cartridge size that didn't increase in price. And if you forgo getting not Nintendo, not that's their only game on a 16 gigabyte cartridge. And on top of that party games, party games literally keep launching on Nintendo. Forty dollars more expensive than they are in every other system. The switch tax has absolutely been a thing this whole generation. Third party games have been games that remain $60, except for a couple of examples, whereas opposed to now the standard is 70. So even though you get games that are like, you know, not triple A for like $20 on PlayStation and then there's always 30 or 35 on Nintendo, that's different than all the $60 games jumping up to 70. Cool. So all the re-releases they've done for 40 bucks over all the switch generation, we'll just ignore all of that. No, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying it's possible. You're kind of proving my point. If you're saying that Nintendo cartridge is a premium, then yes, you're saying it's definitely possible. They could do 35 a piece for the remasters and charging. Well, that's different. Now, see, now you're talking about a dual pack. That's still a pack. That's what this whole conversation started with. Well, that's that's different. That's 35. I said one or the other and you switched to dual pack. No, that's a deal. That's a deal. Was I being clear or not? That's what I thought you were talking about. Oh, I thought you were talking about individually. I'm like, no, I mean, 70 bucks. Yeah, that's that's both games. That's 35 bucks a piece. That's a deal. No, no, I meant, yes, I was talking about 35 a piece, but I would met with Dan and Dual. Absolutely. Yeah, they could do that. Yeah. Yeah. I was saying a third option, I was saying, individually, was the first option. Yeah. And then there's dual pack and second option. And then, yeah, then I was saying, I couldn't even see them doing it together for a second. Sure. Yeah, together for 70. Yeah, I mean, that's how no one I don't even get a negative reaction. It's less than 40 bucks a pop. You know, I almost now that we're talking about it, I almost see that as the way they do it because I feel like if you released them individually, I I can't see a world where Nintendo would like devalue a Zelda game by releasing it for 40 bucks. And so I feel like releasing it. I mean, I'm pretty sure you can get Breath of the Wild for 40 bucks right now. Well, that's a bit different because it's been out for like years and years. Yeah, those. Yeah, those ones haven't. What? Well, if you're bringing it out on the switch, that's I can't get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying. Like I don't like they are like they're worth 40 bucks. I'll say this. If they did if they did a dual pack at 70, I do think that they will offer that also digitally. But I think they'll also offer them individually, digitally for 40. I think they'll just give you that option. So you're not forced to buy both if you don't want to have both. And this is what they've done with other dual packs, by the way. They've offered the ability to buy them digitally, except except for Mario. Well, 3D All-Stars, we're not going to go there. I know I'm just saying it's possible, but there's a lot of stuff that was weird about that. Mario, man. That's Mario. Zelda has never been ran like the Mario franchise has. So I'm a Mario. And Mario never released a three pack like that until the switch. What are you talking about? Super Mario All-Stars back on the. Oh, true. There was way more than three games on that one. Well, then I could say the Zelda four game collection back on the GameCube. There you go. If that if going that far back is relevant in the 90s. And you go for a game collection. OK, that Zelda four game collection was never actually sold as like an individual item. It was a bonus item. Yeah, just like 3D All-Stars, the new one. It was it was all 3D All-Stars was sold to you as like that. Four package. Yes, one year only. OK, that one year only still longer than this day. We're able if you play it was still a special release. It was a pre-order bonus. Yes, which is special. They never sold it individually, though. Like you don't go buy it. You had to buy a game and you had to be one of the first people to pre-order or you didn't get a chance to get it. No, I'm aware. You didn't have to be one of the first. There's millions of copies that came out there. But sure. OK, sure. They had they had quote unquote millions. Kind of funny, because it's actually less than a million. And the game that it was attached to is sold less than four and a half million. That's besides the point. There was only a pre-order bonus that you could only get it at launch. You know, I know. So and I don't know why you're too. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about right now. It's a little disc that had like Majority's mask on Occamier time and some of us a master quest bunch of stuff together. When you pre-order Wind Waker back in the day, it was. Yeah, it was four Zelda games in one. Yeah. This is a little little classic collection pack, but people get nuts about it because it had master mode on it for rocker time. That was. Oh, boom, boom. Many don't worry. I have a pizza before right before the started. So that's why I'm not eating my desserts. Anyways, moving beyond the Zelda stuff, because as I said, like, there are sort of some possibilities. I thought that Nintendo fans would feel are big announcements. The other one that might be arguably besides switch to the biggest announcement, because it's something brand new, although it's already been announced, would be a teaser for Metroid Prime 4. If they want that to be a 2024 game, I have some reasons on why they might show it at the game awards, outside of the fact that it was already announced back in 2017. A few things. One, the last Metroid game to come out, Metroid Dread, was up for game of the year. Metroid Prime remaster released this year and has a 94 on Metacritic. So it's very reasonable to suspect that if the last side scrolling Metroid was up for game of the year, Metroid Prime just came back and showed it still holds up at a 94, that Metroid Prime 4 could have the presumption that it is a goatee contender for next year. And if that's the case and Nintendo knows to release it in 2024, I could see them first showing it off here. And one caveat I think to anything Nintendo shows off here, if they show off any sort of big game, they probably have a Nintendo Direct in February. So even if it quote unquote got overshadowed, we're going to see it again in two months. So like it's not really, I don't, that's one reason I don't know that Nintendo is really worried about being overshadowed by anything. Now, those are like what those are the only things I kind of see for like major possibilities. There could be other things, obviously, guys, and Nintendo can announce whatever they want, besides that, there's obviously the default. Well, it could be DLC like they could just show this between three DLC again that releases next year. They could announce new DLC, even though the Nintendo said, oh, we're not doing DLC for Tears of the Kingdom. What if it was just kidding? And then they surprised you with DLC for Tears of the Kingdom. They could do Pikmin DLC. They could do Mario DLC, any of that stuff's technically possible because they have they have announced DLCs at this event. And obviously, there could be small partner games, could be a partner game of platinum that gets announced, could be a Warriors game that gets announced, some combo game with them. It could be, you know, another Square Enix game, you know, like when they had appropriate default two was announced one of those years exclusively for Switch. So that's always a possibility as well. These are kind of like, here's what Nintendo has ever done. The only thing isn't they've never revealed the system. So they have shown big games. They've shown little games. They've shown DLC. They've, you know, so I don't know. I don't know for certain, so I could be totally wrong. But what I based on what I remember typically what they show at the game awards, if they show like a big game, it's basically like a new trailer or DLC for that big game. I can't remember a time where they full on revealed for the first time, like a huge game like a Zelda or something like that. The only so like for me, I'm thinking if they're going to do a brand new like game reveal, it's going to be like a smaller ish title or they would have to do like a follow up trailer or DLC for a bigger game. But the problem with that is that like other than DLC for like Mario Wonder or something like that, we don't really have like any upcoming huge games at the moment that like we're waiting on. Like they're kind of are all already out with kind of the exception of Metroid Prime because we know it exists. So like I could see that, but then there's the question of is that going to be on the switch as a swan song? Or are they going to move it to switch to because that could affect the reveal of it? So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of factors to consider in any situation. And whatever Nintendo is doing, they're very calculated. They're very well planned out and they know exactly what they want to do when they want to do it. They know exactly what they want to show these awards every single time. I think the only year that probably had a wrench thrown into it besides the covid year because there was one one other year. I they didn't show a game, but I don't think anybody thinks what they did instead was bad. There was the year Iwata passed away in 2015. They did a massive dedication to him at the awards and took literally like 10 minutes of the award show to praise Iwata and do a big speech. So I think that year just wasn't appropriate to show a game when you're saying goodbye to the leader of the company. But besides that, you never really know. Nintendo, though, is very consistent in bringing something to the show. And I'm very curious, too, like how our opinions would shift. Like what happens if GTA 6 isn't shown there and it's actually revealed before the show? Will that suddenly shift what people are doing at the show? Because again, Jeff Keeley didn't guarantee it's going to be there. I mean, I would think since it's already announced it's happening at some point, if it's there, Jeff Keeley is going to tease. That it's being revealed there because Rockstar already teased the reveal in it in December. But we'll we'll see on that front. They still have plenty of time to hype the game or it's like two weeks away. So like, yeah, there's a lot that can happen between now and then. You guys have any other random guesses? You know how about this? Instead of like, because it's easy to be realistic. Just say I had one. OK, what do you want to do? Is it realistic? Is it realistic or unrealistic? I don't know. I don't know where this actually falls. OK. What if we get the cast for the Zelda movie and filming timeline? They could announce that now and filming timeline. Hmm, that could be announced now. Something Zelda movie related, I think, actually makes a ton of sense. Eric, you know, the strikes over now. So they could announce the other thing I was going to suggest for a realistic thing is what I talked about last week, which is possibly a new amiibo line or just new amiibos for a different line. OK, yeah, I mean, that's true. I mean, you know, Nintendo hasn't been all, excuse me, all in on amiibo in a while, but it isn't even possible. Nintendo does what Nintendo wants to do. Well, they think this show fits into their marketing cycle. Like the one reason I think they might reveal the also this, the one caveat I say that they could show something like Metroid Prime 4 is that right now, Nintendo only has one brand new game announced for 2024, like one actual new game. So I could see that, like, maybe they were factoring in after that last direct that we're also going to save one game that we're going to show up for 2024 at this event. But that's again, I don't know how Nintendo is planning things out. They show. And you guys pick up Mario RPG, by the way. Next week, I'm going to next week. You're going to play that on the Channel Prime, or? You know, I might play some of it on. Kind of a fun one to play with. Play with. I've never played it before. Invest in the story together. Yeah, I've never I've never played it before. So I'm actually kind of looking forward to it. So maybe I'll maybe I'll we'll see you guys. Maybe we'll take one of my streams every week and I'll just play some Mario RPG, because I should be able to beat it within one stream a week. It's really hard to beat in a month. Based on what I've heard, how long it is. Um, and see how it goes. Yeah, I'm sure. Unless I don't like it. And I don't know what to stop. Then again, I didn't like Pokemon, really a diamond. And you guys know, I mean, it's nothing like that, man. Did you ever play the games? Do I still play the Mario Luigi games on Game Boy Advance or 3DS? Yeah, I played those. Yeah, that's it's literally just that. That's what they copy. But I heard it's a lot more comedy than this one. Yes. But I mean, gameplay wise, gameplay wise. OK, so I got a feel for it. Anyways, feel there is a lot of comedy in those ones, too. But yeah. But yeah, the RPG is the original and the best. A little more. Actually, you're not finding hidden items in Zelda's bedroom. Exactly. Well, there's some funny stuff in the other ones, too. I got to give them credit. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah. Um, OK, so let me think for a second. Wait, so, so, Eric, did you say yours yet? You said the Zelda cast? OK, yeah. And that that's totally possible. Now, now that the strikes over and maybe they knew the strike was going to end. So, you know, even if it's not the cast, maybe it's maybe it's a filming timeline. Notably, the director just said that he was wrapping things up on the Planet of the Apes movie, which, of course, you know, that's already got Dayton coming out. He says as he's wrapping things up on that, he literally said, he said just today, looking forward to adventuring in Hyrule's soon. It's like, oh, shit, he's starting to sell the movie. He's going for a planet of the Apes of Zelda. I got I got one more prediction that is kind of out there. But if it ends up happening, I will be goaded for the rest of my life. You all will wonder if I knew Nintendo is going to announce a brand new series, which is a direct GTA competitor in Mario's world, featuring an expanded New Donk City. That's the size of the GTA five world or bigger. Damn, that'd be interesting. There we go. Nintendo's GTA Mario style. Look out, I would love that because. Well, I would just like aimlessly wander around in New Donk City just because of how fun it was to just run around. Yeah, wouldn't it be sick? Oh, yeah, that would be amazing. And like, you know how Yakuza is kind of like a gets a lot of inspiration from GTA, but they have a lot of like mini game stuff to do. So Nintendo kind of thinks of that from a Yakuza series. You can go on arcades and play old school Nintendo games within the world. Yeah, I'm cooking. That would be good. And then the multiplayer that's going to other people's world and play cabinets next to each other. Yes, let's go. Or to get on the same cabinet. And I say, you know, you're doing multiplayer. So I want to clip this. So if Nintendo ever does that in the next like 20 years. You can all come back. So I was going to throw out there is it's easy to talk about the realistic expectations. But how about a pipe dream? What's an announcement you would just like to see happen from Nintendo at this point, just anything, anything. It could be any game, any whatever that you absolutely just want to see right now. What's what's the pipe dream? Because I mean, this could be for direct as well. But you know what? Direct is a couple months away. So this could be fun. Nintendo's buying rare back from Microsoft and then bringing back some of the rare games. Well, yeah, they have to include it buying the IP. I don't really care about the studio anymore to be on the IP, though. Right, OK. And then watch Nintendo do nothing with it like they do with half their. They would just put it on and so and call it a day. That's what you're getting. I've I've I've got a good one. I take it. We get the announcement of the formerly rumored 3D Donkey Kong game. Oh, there it is. There you go. That could actually be like. There's your new Donk City. Yeah, yeah, that's honestly, I thought of that already. But I was like, I don't want to reuse that again. And that's when it got me thinking of New Donk City. But I couldn't see that as like a good big game for 2024. Yeah, no, it's not bad. It's not really like good. I just don't know if they would. And they're like going to do a Donkey Kong theme park expansion. There's been rumors of potentially a spin off from the Mario movie with a Donkey Kong movie, too. So yeah. I'd love Seth Rogen to have his own standalone. I'm actually what I though, because I don't like standalone Seth Rogen movies in general. He's better as supporting cast. I don't know. Sausage Party was pretty good. And he was the lead in that. So was it? Yeah, it was pretty great. OK, you don't have to like it. I'm actually kind of I know why I don't. I'm sorry. I wouldn't describe it as like pretty good. More than two inches. It was his friend that was shorter. Yeah, but he's more than two inches. That's the problem. I don't know. Sausage Party, like. That just freaks me out, man. You don't have to get up in those months. Dude, no, it's so scary, though. You're just like never at peace. The whole movie, you're always like, like every year. There's a bunch of people that know one's like Sausage Party. As I'm literally saying, it's like one of me and Julia's favorite movies and we watch it like every year. Oh, like, yeah, I'm not saying I don't like it. I'm just saying I can't really relax, you know. I'm not, dude. You pop it. You pop an edible and you just watch it and it's fucking. Dude, that makes it worse. That makes it so worse. It makes it so much better. What are you talking about? No, it's too much. It's too much. It freaks me out, man. Jake Randall's scared of the bun confer. Not scared of the bun. I'm scared of getting eaten. There's only one scene where, like, things get eaten. It's like the baby carrots. Dude, some people actually like to get eaten. You should eat my axe. Oh, sorry. God damn it. I'm keeping it clean. I'm pretty sure that's like all women. Anyways, so Pipe Dream 3, the 3D Donkey Kong game that's been rumored before gets to get that bad boy. That sounds sweet. Eric's was rare getting the rare, rare IPs back. And I mean, I presume he also means doing something. Yes, yes. Just the announcement. Oh, Nintendo bought back Banjo-Kazooie and blah, blah, blah. Oh, they didn't buy Conker. That's emirated. They didn't want it. Never get that back. Jake, Pipe Dream announcement from Nintendo. Like, what's the one big thing? Well, that was it. That was that was it. The GTA. GT, the GTA. OK, OK. Yeah. Like no chance that really happened. You know what I mean? Yeah, these are Pipe Dreams. It's like a no chance. It's like a no chance. Like, like for me, like, I love Pipe Dreams. I can easily say Switch 2, right? Like I could just drop it in there. But I already talked about that. So I don't I feel like it's no fun to revisit something I already said. So this is my Pipe Dream. The next 3D Zelda is already ready, baby. Drop it. Drop it like it's hot. That's like that's like a Pipe Dream. It is like. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You reminded me of my last prediction that I had last show, which was they'll release. Or not release, but announce a new 2D Zelda. Oh, yeah, top down. That's like a real little bit. Yeah, I heard that. I believe it would be a Pipe Dream for sure. Yeah, 3D is a Pipe Dream. There's no way it's ready. But a top ground Zelda is not impossible or a spin off game like a high or a Ocarina remake. Yeah, a remake game, a remake game that could have been worked down by somebody else. Yeah, absolutely. Those are all possibilities. But I said Pipe Dream. So I dream something that's literally impossible. There's no way. That's good. That's a good Pipe Dream. Impossible. But it would mean that like this game's been in development this whole time and then we don't know what it is. And it wasn't probably made by the Zelda team. So I beat the hell out of me. Let me see here. Helps if I get my notes up. Watch out, watch out, watch out. I mean, I'm going to ask this just of hoops because he hasn't been on our show in a long time. Who do you think is winning game of the year? Well, I think it definitely comes down to Baldur's Gate and Zelda. If I had a vote, I would give it to Zelda. But my gut is telling me that Baldur's Gate is going to win. And the only reason I say that is because the tears of the kingdom just like borrows so much from Breath of the Wild, whereas Baldur's Gate is just like it's new and fresh. So that's the only edge I can give that. But that's what I'm saying. Well, honestly, when you said that, my guy Nate over here, his eyes rolled back to his head so far, his whole neck like bent back. Because like in the second Jake Randall, I just can't handle two. No, I want Zelda. So does Zelda Jake. All of my exes can handle two and exactly two. Oh, geez. All right. It's good to the next topic here. It's more than enough. All right. Sorry. Yeah, it can be more than enough. So this one is just sort of when I pulled out my ass. But I also think it's a really interesting topic because Nintendo has taught several, several times while bringing Nintendo accounts forward. And NSO is sort of tied to Nintendo accounts and it is their subscription service. So there's a high likelihood that NSO in some form is going to be carried forward. So what do we really want the next phase of Nintendo Switch online to be as we like transition to this next platform? Because we know what it's been so far on Switch. What's next? How does it evolve to the next stage? And what is that evolution? Honestly, when I saw this on the topic list, it kind of made me sad because, well, I think that there's nowhere to go but up. And they've been thinking about this for years. It's clear from the investors meetings. It's going to get way better. I'm probably going to be a fan of what they do. It just makes me sad that because of all of those things, the offerings on NSO are going to be harder and harder to get physically or even own digitally. Like not having the option to purchase a lot of these games, having them tied to an online service always. Even though I get that we can emulate these games and stuff, I don't know. Maybe it's just me getting old. But it makes me sad that we're really getting past like real ownership of games. And even Nintendo is becoming more and more a part of it. Even though they're still the best in the industry by far. Yeah, because like that's one thing I know that a lot of people hope is an evolution on the next system is that keep the subscription service but then offer individual purchases as an option. Like for old school virtual console, especially with the service that's being carried forward where you don't have to feel as worried last time because when they did virtual console, the number one criticism was they'd wipe it every system and you'd have to rebuy the games. And I know they did on Wii U offer a discounted price to upgrade your Wii version to the Wii U but it was still charging you for something you already bought that isn't any better. So that was the biggest virtual console criticism but still no one made you get rid of your old system. Well, I think Nintendo could do it in a way that still makes them happy but would also make us a little happier, which is kind of like how PlayStation does it. They have the tiers and you got a certain number of free games and classic games if you do a certain online here but also whether you subscribe to that or not, some of the old PS2 games and stuff, you can still buy an own. Some of the PS3 games, they lock behind the service but there's a mix, some of them you actually can buy. If Nintendo did that and we're like, okay, we'll make some of these games available to buy but any GameCuber Wii game that we put on, we're not gonna let you purchase it. I think that would be a fair compromise. It's like a win-win. Okay, we're getting new systems that we didn't get on the Switch and maybe we can't own them but some of the systems that were on the Switch are the real legacy games. If we don't wanna have a continuous online subscription if we wanna let it last at times, we can buy some classic Nintendo games for five, 10 bucks. You know what I mean? I like the Wii U. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that is, you know, I can't say it's not a possibility because Nintendo has done the whole virtual console thing before where they've sold individual games. And while I don't think the subscription service for games is gonna be going anywhere, it would be interesting if they just decided to expand the offerings for people that maybe wanna make those individual purchases. I mean, look, the number one reason people have an NSO sub is so they can play online. I mean, that's true on every platform because it's a requirement. But it's getting those extra subs to get the expansion pack. The expansion pass isn't about playing online. That's because you want access to content. So, yeah, so that is obviously a way they could potentially go just because they've done it before. I don't know that they will, but it is something I know a lot of people would like. Just an option. Yeah. Well, that's what I like about the PlayStation thing is like the stuff that they have that you can buy and own like PSU games, if you have the online service, you don't have to ever buy it. You can still play that all for free. So I think that's a good balance. Yeah, there's also other ways to go. So like on one hand, that's bringing some of the classic games and bring them back to purchase. The other way to go would be, hey, how about something that's similar to what Xbox and PlayStation have also been doing for a long time and start offering free games every month that you just get to keep that are available to purchase. And we're there and have been out for years. I was going to say something about how I can't do that though is if you're in the one month. But how PlayStation Xbox do it is if your online subscription lapses, you lose access to all the free games you've claimed until your subscription starts again. Well, yeah, because it's tied to the subscription service. Yeah, but so what I'm saying, the whole, that defeats the purpose of what I'm saying, which is it's the apps that are available. You want to let your service lapse sometimes and still have access to it. I would say it's the opposite. It's the inverse. So right now, Nintendo has a service you subscribe to and you get access to these games. And then you'd be nice to have some of those available to purchase individually. Well, games that are already available to purchase that are actually new to the system or been out on the system for years now offer some of those for free every single month just to subscribers. Oh, yeah, sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, so it's basically NSO and things that you can already buy and own, obviously. And I know Nintendo's less apt to do that because of the Evergreen status, but I think it's one of those that like if they started doing it, it would be on games they know don't really sell anymore. Like why are they packing smash in this holiday? Cause it hasn't really been a top seller in a long time. You can look at their, it's been in the top 10, but it's not selling millions of recorder anymore. You know, Mario Odyssey. Also, a lot of people missed out on the... And they could put a swallowish. Smash Brothers Edition Switch when it came out in like 2018. Yeah. And so it was kind of a cool thing for them to do. If people had a chance to get no web version of that. Of course, don't give them the cool looking doc, which was the best part of the whole damn thing. But no, yeah, like it, I think that there's a way they can do it. And I don't know if Nintendo would ever put their big games in it. Like I know Sony does sometimes, but I can see it in, you know, it's smaller indie games that don't sell anymore. You want to pack into golf story or pack into sniffer clips. Ooh, wait, I guess I, here's a fun idea that they can announce at the Game Awards since this, or maybe they just do this at some point after they announced the Switch 2, but in order to clear out stock of Joy-Cons, cause maybe the Switch 2 has a different kind of Joy-Con. Maybe they start releasing some of the Special Edition Joy-Cons in their own set for the regular Joy-Con price. Awesome. That would be pretty awesome though, right? Like you can grab the Splatoon 3 Special Edition Joy-Cons just in a two pack. Yeah. Looking at NSO with the way it currently is and what they would do, that's always like the big question. Cause we got to N64, they seem to be wanting to remaster the GameCube games and sell them for bigger prices, which is fine. I think people prefer remasters anyways in that sense, but it's interesting thinking like, what would they do on the next system? Like what, cause you don't, obviously you'll keep expanding the libraries and adding more games, but what one driving force behind continuing to get more subscribers was adding more and more systems. And I kept thinking, one thing they did that was so shocking to many people was they added the Sega Genesis. And I kept wondering, is that a potential thing that they're going to work out in the future? Cause maybe Nintendo is only willing to go so far with their systems. And by the way, they can still go handheld, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance. Like that stuff can still come and get added later. Maybe they do a bunch of new GameCube and just do the classics after they've remastered most of them. But- Wait, I'm confused. What do you mean Game Boy and Game Boy Advance can still get added later? Sorry, more games. More games. I was talking about more games. Got it. I just thought I was honestly confused. But then GameCube would be obviously be a new ad, but they, I think they would do that after they've remastered most of the games that they want to remaster. Right. But I could see them eventually adding that. We'll could try with the big, with the heavy hitters. And then, yeah, that makes sense. But I do think that one emphasis they might do is more of these other companies' platforms. Get Atari up on here. Get Dreamcast up on here. Like, work out the- I think it's television and eco. Sure. Oh, Game Boy. They never had a good one, actually. Dr. Martin said that they want trophies. Sure. I don't think that would be a subscription service thing, though. That should just be part of Nintendo account. Virtual boy games. True. But- I don't think we should have to pay to have trophies. So that should just be a Switch 2 feature in general. Yeah, it should just be like an across-the-board feature, like of the OS or- Yeah, you're right. Yeah, now that you say it. Yeah. Because we're talking specifically about Nintendo Switch Online. We can talk about all the things in the future to improve with Switch 2, and we've had that conversation before. But when we- Yeah. I think we'll actually, at this point, we'll revisit that conversation when it gets revealed. And then we can revisit, because we'll have some tangible stuff to get into. But yeah, I don't know. Like, there's just- My biggest thing with NSO, because I'm not somebody who replays games. So like, the games don't- It don't really matter to me what they announce. Like, they can literally announce Conker's Bad Thursdays coming. And you figure I would be super excited. And when I see the logo, I'll be excited for a moment. Would you be excited for an Ocarina remake? A remake, yes. Okay. But just like, and just adding Ocarina of Time, Master Edition from that disc to NSO, I just, I wouldn't even care. Because I don't- Would you care if they announced the addition of 3DS to NSO and then included Ocarina of Time there? Or would you care about any 3DS game they add? No. So why do you even care what old systems Nintendo adds? Because I know other people care. And I am, and my kids care, and they play them. My fiancee plays them sometimes. So people around me do it. I am capable of caring about something at a fundamental level, even if it doesn't personally impact me. Sounds like an andru-tate thing. Well, it's just called having empathy for other people and giving a shit what affects them. Okay. That sounds like the opposite of an andru-tate thing, that actually- How's this say? Let me clarify this quick. It's definitely not an ad. Yeah, that cleared it up real quick. That's been a total 184 minutes. I'm gonna stop that conversation. But no, yeah. I just, I care what other people would like to see. And I know I can't speak for other people because I'm not them. But I do want them to be happy with it. I wanted it to be a service that people like to subscribe to because they enjoy the offerings. For me, doing things like adding games that have already released on the platform that maybe I haven't played, some indie games, some of that stuff would really excite me more because that's new content for me. The classic game stuff doesn't excite me as much, but there are rare exceptions. As I said, if the Nintendo stuff's getting some of these third-party platforms on, I haven't played everything on Dreamcast. There might be some games I might legitimately play on a Dreamcast app if it was on there. So there are rare instances like that where I will partake a little bit. And there's the- Okay, what about, what about? The whole reason I started playing Goldeneye again was because of NSO, because one thing NSO did do was add online multiplayer to every game that has multiplayer. And that was pretty neat, yeah. So that got me to revisit certain multiplayer games that I never really got to play online before, but they messed up the controls. I don't know how it hasn't been fixed yet. Damn it. Anyways. Yeah, do you think, what kind of a price increase do you think, if any? I mean, look, if they ever add Dreamcast in GameCube, that's gonna be another tier. I think they need to rename the tiers. I don't think they could just keep calling it expansion pass. Do they re-brand them to tiers of the kingdom? I do wonder if NSO will be re-branded, heading into this next system. I don't think so. I think it's very similar to the Switch brand itself and how you think they need to keep it the Switch too. I think NSO is a brand. And I think they really like that account system. So they do, I think they want it to be seen as like a continuous thing, but an evolution improvement. They don't want to be known for what they're online was known for in 2017. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, they do want to see it as better, but at the same time, they want to keep the branding. But what I mean is maybe a reorganization of how they're doing it. I don't think they're gonna do that. Oh, yeah, like presentation wise. They're not gonna keep a tier called NSO plus expansion pack. Yeah. They're gonna rename it to something else that makes more sense. Yeah, to tiers of the kingdom. Exactly. I mean, you can even just be tier one, tier two, tier three. Of the kingdom. Whatever they do of the kingdom. Yeah. You know, like, as an example, what if they add, this is one that I was thinking about the other day and I don't know if Nintendo is this crazy. Well, let's say it was backwards compatibility, but Nintendo's releasing patches, you know, that you could pay like 10, 15 bucks per game to get your higher frame rate, higher FPS, you know, switch game, it get it that way on switch two. And they're like, now we're adding a new tier on NSO. You can subscribe and you just get all of them if you're subscribed to that. I don't think they would do that because I think they're already gonna have enough things that are gonna sell it, that they would be foregoing too much money if they said every game. See, that's what Sony did too. Sony said every game is gonna be like free with whatever and then they quickly were like, we're losing like so much in potential extra money. We're gonna go ahead and backtrack on that and we're gonna make a $10 upgrade now. Yeah, I know and people are pissed about that. Yeah. The SOTY's messaging on that was very, but I think, because I look at this from Nintendo's perspective too, where NSO hasn't really been growing much for them. They've been kind of chilling at that 32, 33 million user mark for a bit and they have 120, 100 plus million active users according to them, which means most of them are not NSO subscribers. So, well, the ones that are I think are both. It also has more players with multiple consoles over any other console. So a lot of those are never gonna, no one's gonna pay for two separate online accounts. They're gonna pay for one and use it with both switches. So I don't think there's really 120 million potential subscribers out there. I think it's less than that because there are a lot of... They say active users that individual accounts is what they're talking about. There's 117 million active individual accounts on Nintendo Switch. Now, is that somebody using multiple accounts in different regions? Yeah, there's all of that as well because that's what all of them are. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think it's a little semantics, but okay. It is semantics, but that's all Nintendo can track. It's not like they can know exactly how each individual person's doing things. But I will say that they wanna get that number up, which I think it makes sense. Like if you think about PlayStation who's consistently over 100 million sales of systems every single year, they've got 60, 70 million active users. So Nintendo wants to be up in that range. If they're gonna keep selling 100 million units, they wanna have like 60, 70 million active subscriptions. Well, here's the big thing that's stopping on them. This is what NSL really needs then. You may be able to send messages to your friends. Voice chat with your friends. We need basic features. We need basic features. If they really wanna... They don't need to... Hey, man. They don't need to do ever... They don't need to overthink it like this. It's getting the app of yours. Let me text people who are logged in on Switch. Yeah, let's fix that stuff now. Now's the time, Nintendo. Let's go on. Go on to the next generation. Now's the time. Local voice chat. Being able to create a lobby with friends. I'm not saying the other ideas aren't great ideas, but these are necessary. You gotta start with those. And I know a lot of people think Nintendo does do... Oh, they gotta worry about their family-friendly image. Nintendo keeps telling us that over 85% of their users are over the age of 18. This is Nintendo who keeps saying it. And guess what? Every company has to worry about the children. You put parental controls in, and it's like... And if you wanna be so gung-ho about it, just make it so those features are locked. You know what I mean? With the parental... With the password. Yeah, yeah. I mean, my kids have unlocked like hell on their fucking Switches because it was my parental stuff. And there's not even that much to lock. It's pretty bare bones. Yeah. So I mean... I think Nintendo's concern is that the average parent wouldn't understand how to do it. You can make it real simple. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Hey, Nintendo, as a parent, let me tell you something. I know that you allow me to age-gate. But what if I'm okay with one of my kids playing a certain game that's in an age-gate but not the other ones? Let me just block individual applications, please. Why is that not... They already... You know what? They already do have a really good... Example. I had parental controls set on my Switch for the sole reason that it was the only reason to track my total hours of gameplay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much information and analytics on every game. I'm like, doesn't that help parents, right? But it gives us access to be sure that they won't have. It's kind of in there, too. You go to your account on Switch and you're like, oh, you get an estimation. I don't know. It's not a fucking estimation in the parental app. I know. Yeah, yeah. Obviously, you can see how many hours you played by going to your Switch games. Like, everyone knows that. It's still an estimation. They're so much more info. 35 hours, okay. I go, look, actually, I played 35 hours and 23 minutes, but thanks. Yeah, but you can also see... You could also, like, click a range of dates and, like, you could pick yours even, like, from 2021 to 2023 and be like, I've played, like, 20,000 hours. Yeah. Or you could pick one of the... The parental app and the statistics it has on it is so crazy. Yeah. I don't know why we can't just view that on Switch. I don't understand. That, again, and that's proof that, hey, Nintendo has this really modern feature with all these stats. Why is it hitting on our parental app that most people don't use? It's just some funky things with Nintendo that it would be nice to see improved. Yeah, you're right. Basic features and basic functionality will be... Like, look, if they're not going to give me the freaking local lobbies because they still think this cell phone chit chat thing is the best way which it's not, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the quality of the voice chats bad on the phones. I'm saying that I shouldn't have to use a second device to play video games. The whole reason I'm playing video games with my buddies is because I don't want to use my phone. It needs to be available for phone calls from family and emergencies, not me voice chatting with people and then a phone call interrupts and I don't know the fuck's going on. And I'm like, what has happened? And then my phone dies and I got charged that and my Switch. But I do think that modernizing NSO would be really good, just with modern features. And I know some people think that might come with a modern price point. Do you know how much they charge for NSO these days? Look, if you just still want the bare bones basic, I just want to play games online. Yeah, it's still 20 bucks a year. Well, look at the different tiers and packages, man. It gets pretty pricey. Oh, yeah. And we still don't have the basic features. Like if I have the top tier as an individual, it's still like 60, 70 bucks a year or 50 or whatever it is. That's a lot to not have basic features. But if they do add those basic features, they could get away with upping that base tier price. Sure. And still be the cheapest in the game, even if they double it. Yeah. And if they add enough of the basic stuff, people might not do their whole, like, oh, this is anti-consumer thing. They do with every price increase for everything ever. Sure. I mean, that's what people do. And then they pay it anyways. Hoops, what do you want to see better on NSO? Or are you just like, fuck NSO. What a piece of shit. Yeah, more like Nintendo bitch online. I mean, I think a lot of what you guys have mentioned, I would be down for. I think the basic features like chat and stuff is obviously essential. I'll write that down. One thing which I'm pretty sure are given at this point, but it just makes all the sense to me is basically having your account and like NSO as a whole kind of be sort of like a cloud service as opposed to a service on the switch or like any other system. So when you get a switch to next year and you log in with your NSO account, everything that you I mean, we obviously don't have like virtual console or anything, but like everything that you would have on your switch on NSO is like automatically there on your switch to because it's like in the cloud, basically. That's the kind of thing that I would like to see them do because I feel like it's 2023. I think we should be able to have like universal account systems by now. I don't think that like I think we should just have that level of convenience. So something like that. Well, I think that's what they want for NSO. I think they want it to be there. Yeah. Universal thing going forward. They're not going to do the separate account for every system anymore. And that's because that's what they've kind of said in all their investor meetings. Yeah, yeah. So I think that is what we're going to see. But I hope I guess if I'm making sort of a request or prediction is that they just go all in on that kind of thing to where it's like really user friendly. It's optimized and like the like dream in that kind of scenario would be to have them introduce games that you actually download and own. So it's like when you bite on one system and then you migrate to the next system, it's like boom, it's already there immediately. Yeah. And I do think, yeah, that's a good clarification. I do think that's what they're trying to do. Yeah, hopefully. But that lends to the thing. OK, so then it's got to be backwards compatible, right? Because we still don't really know. Yeah, your counts. I really hope it is. Because like the thing, I've been sort of like lukewarm, I guess, with all of the rumors and stuff about the Switch 2. Because even though obviously I want to see what they've got cooking and I'm excited about it. This whole time I've just been like rooting for the Switch to become that number one best-selling console just because it's so close. And I'm kind of like wanting them to give it a little more life to give it a chance. So if they do bring out a Switch 2 next year, I feel like just because it was such an amazing system, it sold so well, it like brought them out of the dark ages. I feel like the least we can do so we don't have to just like forget about it. It's just make it backwards compatible. Well, yeah. And that's the other thing. I feel like you're going to lose a lot of money around launch or a lot of potential sales, I'll say. If people that didn't know the Switch are buying the Switch 2 hype buy one and they go in the eShop and for the first month, you know, there's like three good games and a bunch of, you know, there'll be more than that. But as opposed to the entire catalog of the Switch still in the eShop. Right. And digitally, it's like there's no reason they shouldn't be there. Oh, it's like if and and then it's like it just snowball. So it's like if you can make those games available digitally on the Switch 2, then I mean, obviously, there's hardware involved physically, but it's like just do it physically at that point. Yeah, well, here's a question. Do you ever think because I think that there was one rumor that I'm sure you guys remember that I think we all agree is kind of BS where it was like, Oh, there's going to be two versions of digital and one that can take cartridges for the Switch 2. Do you ever think that the Switch 2 is backwards compatible, but fully digital? So they basically say, Fuck you to everyone that bought all their systems or all their games physically. And they but they do buy into the account system where anything digitally transfers, you can still buy Switch 1 games on Switch 2, but it doesn't take any kind of physical media. Do you think there's a world where that happens? The only way that you could do that would be is if you had purchased the cartridge, you would be able to download it digitally. But how would they know if there's no cartridge reader? Oh, through through like your NSO account. Technically, each cartridge has its own unique code on it. If they could find a way to convert that. And then if other people tried using that code that couldn't register to an account, that'd be a retroactive way because either is a unique ID code on each cartridge. But I don't know. But I don't know. The only way you could see that working is you logged into your NSO account on your Switch 1. Yeah, you probably have to register it. And the same way you download the coins when you put a cartridge in, you send the information so you can play it on your Switch 2. But then your register would be in the other system. It'll be like, oh, this was already claimed. But what about people who sell their Switch 1 to get the Switch 2 and had their games physically? And that screws them still. Well, I didn't say that it didn't screw them. Or they could just... Yeah, I'm not saying that you did or didn't. I'm just kind of like working out. Or they could just have a friend who held their Switch 1, go log into their account, run their quick and then register their games. I mean, it's still convoluted. The whole solution convoluted, no matter what. Like the only way I see Nintendo doing it is that it's not just a digital only system. They have still a physical system as well. And then you're just choosing to buy the one that doesn't have a digital system. That would make the most sense. Which again, I know you said, oh, crazy crap, everyone's dismissed. But if they want, and I do think that long-term, they probably do want to go digital only. I'm not saying... All companies want to be digital only. I don't even think that's what we're talking about. Everyone wants digital only if you're... That's what I'm saying. But I will say that out of... Whether it's respect for consumers or the fact they want to look better, they've been the best with physical preservation. Not that that takes much, but they've been the best. I don't know what Nintendo is thinking. I have faith that they'll probably at least last the longest with physical only. I feel like there would be a huge irony in the fact that they just announced this Nintendo Museum. And then they go digital only with their next system. Here's my thing. If the Switch 3, if they wanted that to be digital only, then why would they keep making physical game for the Switch 2? Because then, when the Switch 3 comes out, they have to make a physical version as well to play your old Switch 2 games. So do you think they can offer a digital only? Why is Xbox dropping a new Xbox that's going to replace the Series X? It doesn't have a disk drive, but they're still going to have physical only. Right. Also, that's what I'm getting at. So seeing as a problem, they're all going to run into something. What did Xbox 2 before that, Nate? They stopped making their physical games, even though their system can take them. Like, you can start to feel that a lot of games didn't, right? Oh, Xbox only. Do you think that with the Switch 2, it could have a cartridge slot? One version has a cartridge slot. One version is digital only. But the one with the cartridge slot, it's just for Switch 1 games. They don't make any physical Switch 2 games. Do you think that could ever happen? Um, so there's a couple. Here's a couple of things I think. I'm not going to say that's not impossible, because even if it's not this generation, it's one of those things that if the long haul goal for all these companies is eventually to be digital only, you have to make the Switch at some point. And no matter when you make the Switch, it's always going to hurt some people, and there's always going to be some convoluted solutions to things. Like, as an example, it could be digital only, but there's an accessory to the dock that lets you play all your Switch 1 games. You just plug it in, and you can only play it in dock mode now. Compromise. That's dumb. You can't take it portable, but then someone's going to take that tech as a third party company. They'll make an accessory that plugs in while you're carrying it, and then you'll be able to do it that way too. There's a lot of workarounds that are possible for it, and obviously having one that only takes Switch 1 cards and there is no Switch 2 cards is an interesting solution. Nintendo's not going to, by the way, we're all, we just mentioned, we all sort of agree, Nintendo's probably going to hold on. Oh, Nintendo is a precedent for doing that. The first DSs had GBA cards slots, then they phased them out. But they still had the, they still had the cards for the other. Right, but then, but then they just removed the GBA ones and just kept the DS cartridges. Yes, eventually with future models. So I'm just saying there is precedent. Well, the DSP, it was the, went on to Game Boy Advance. It was, uh, the... Well, they even technically, they technically did that with... The DSI removed it, yeah. Yeah, the DSI removed it. The DS or the DSI had it. They technically did that with the Game Boy 2 because the Game Boy Micro didn't take Game Boy Color, I don't think. No, they didn't. And then they've done it with everything too, like they eventually phased out GameCube backwards compatibility with Wii as well later. They didn't do it with the DS or the DS, but that's because it was so easy. There's no really reason to do that. They literally go in the same slot. So it probably would have been very hard to like, oh, now, even though they all go into the same slot, now this one doesn't support it. Right. I could see that happening with the Switch 2 though, where the cartridges are basically the same, so they use the same slot. Yeah, just like the Wii and the Wii and... Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so. The notch added so you don't slip. But I, I don't know, I guess I could see a world where, even though they could totally do that, they just stop, they stop, they make a lot less physical Switch 2 games because they are doing exactly what Xbox is, just like a generation behind. If they do the 3DS. In terms of going digital. If they do the 3DS thing and the cartridges are the same, they just added a notch. I'm going to tell you guys right now, I'm going to be that idiot day one that's going to be filing off that notch, just sticking in the Switch one, just to see what happens. That'd be a good video. Just to see what happens. Would watch. What happens when you put a Switch 2 game in? That's a little should be you with like a huge, like table saw, like going down on the, on the cartridge. Yeah. Yeah. Is he really doing this? Yes. He's trying to find out. Hey, I'm pretty confident this physical cartridge will still work on my Switch 2. I don't know. I'm mangling it. Let's go. It's a, it cuts to a side going down on the, on the other people. Like, why didn't you just go in and take the board out and put it in the Switch cartridge? That's too much work. And I could just, No, it's, it's a unique. No, you do that at the end of the video. And then people who say that, you go, tell me you want, you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Yeah. Heck yeah. We got them. Got them. Anyway, I do think that that's realistically what the slot's going to be that that's just going to take both cartridges. I can't keep you getting blurry and blurrier. Yeah, it happens. It's just getting drunk. So I'll just stop drinking beer over there. Hey, gay, keep it clean. Yeah. I'm telling your camera to keep it clean. It's getting a little dirty over there. I'm trying. I'm trying. Man, I had a couple ideas. Yeah, what's up? One, I could see them actually just, you know, how you said that each cartridge heads its own ID, blah, blah, blah, blah. What I could actually do them doing is creating a dongle that all it does is it reads that that code and allows you to download the game. That's it. That's all it does. One, a one time. One time download. Yep. You can, you've, you've purchased it. It, you know, you, it, it lets you do it and you can download it. Yeah. It gives you, it gives you a, a, a. The only thing I worry, and this is the concern over the, the entire thing is, yeah, I'm going to just grab my friends games quick and I don't even know that I did it. They still own Switch one and I'm being, I'm being a dick. He's a dick. Being a dick. I mean, yes, there is that. But that can happen no matter what. Oh, right. What about, what about more media services for the Switch 2 on NSL? I mean, yeah. There's that. Netflix. Come on. I think, I think the moment the Switch 2 can output a 4K signal, the excuses are gone. Yeah. Because now you have Netflix and 4K, Hulu, 4K, Amazon, 4K, 4K TVs are cheap. Like, I don't even think it's a good excuse. Now, can you imagine how many people, and I'm just saying this personally, even though I have a TV in my room, there are times I don't want to lay towards the direction of my TV and I'm just sitting here on my phone watching something. Hey, dude, you know what also has an OLED screen besides my phone? My Switch. I want to prop that baby on the nightstand and play something. Yep. Why can't I do that? I mean, you can with Hulu. It's not like you would own a laptop. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's not like I would own a laptop except I only have this much room on my nightstand, which is just enough room to flop a switch down. Yeah. It's not like a laptop. You go on your lap. Yeah. I'm like in the bed. It wouldn't be on my lap. What am I doing? Putting it down here as I'm laying down and going, let me hurt my neck quick. Just put it on your ceiling. Put it anywhere you want. Sorry. Do you think this is how the world works? Hold on. This is Jake's world. This is what happened when Jake's having like too much shrooms over there or something. He thinks you can like, this is the laptop and he's like, look, if I just let go right here, it's going to stay. Exactly. No, I got a big old bed. I can just put it anywhere on my bed. It's not like a switch. Some of us don't have big old beds. Some of us have a partner in the bed in a queen bed and then I just room to just put shit where you want. You're like four or nine. You got plenty of room no matter what size. I'm five, five and my feet go off the end of the bed. Thank you very much. All right. All right. I got to let you win now because that was rude. God damn it. That's right. I'm taller than the shortest ever NBA players. Get out of here. Hey, that's that's true. Mugs. Yeah. Mugs. Yeah. Yeah. He's like five. I used five three, right? Yeah. I was like five, two or five, three. He was he was really fucking short. He's really good. Yeah. But really played and he played with the tallest player in history. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, hey, technically when everyone tells me, you ain't tall enough to be in the NBA. I'm like, what have we talked about? I'm taller than the shortest person. Yeah, that's not a very, you don't have to be very tall to be tall enough to play in the NBA, technically. Yeah. Thanks. You know, you only have to be a slightly above average height, which basically I'd be about six foot. That's like the like the norm six foot, six two or higher. Yeah. But technically you're right. Five, three. But technically that's an all star caliber NBA player. Guys, I'm near and he was in space jam. When I hit 40 years old, everyone, I will make an NBA roster. That's the goal now. New life goal. At 40. Like, like Mark Wahlberg in the NFL movie. That's based on. Blow my knee out in game one. But hey, I was in there for like 10 seconds of a real NBA. Anyways. What if I know this would never happen either? But again, we're saying what can they do? You know, right now the expansion pass is 50 bucks. What if they did something that's 100 bucks or 150 bucks a year? But they put the majority of their remakes, remasters in like its own tier free. Well, it won't be free because you're paying 40 bucks a year. I could see 150 seems a little steep, but I could see maybe 120 because that there's already precedent for that in the market. And they have a better legacy than any other company, I'd say. I'd like to see a hundred to $120 tier. That's all DLC for every first party published game. And so I like this. Oh, we gave you Mario Kart, but hey, you got to buy the Pokemon. You got to buy this one. You got to know, no, give me a tier where I can subscribe. I just get all the DLC that tier would be on fire. People would buy the hell out of that. If you're someone who played a lot of Nintendo games and you're getting the DLC without having to think about it, that'd be a, that'd be a fire tier. Yeah, I don't know. That's tough. That also would promote that you hope Nintendo keeps making lots of DLC and they don't make DLC for every game. So, yeah, that's also the caveat thing. So I'm surprised Hoops over there wasn't like next generation Pokemon reveal popping up at the game awards. Dream game. I, I mean, that would be a pipe dream thing, but I just know it's not going to happen. However, I do maybe a Pokemon legends. I do. That's one teaser. I've had sort of a thought brewing in my head that I haven't said, but I kind of feel like it's starting to become a possibility. So there's been a lot of rumors recently about a Unova black and white remake of some kind happening. Well, black and white three, baby. Like black and white three or like a legends black and white or something like that. Um, and the, the, the rumor, which seems prominent is that it's next year. Well, the thing with next year obviously is that the switch to is dropping. And so I'm kind of like thinking what if that is like the or one of the big switch to launch titles is this like black and white three legends game. And I think the next I, okay. See, like I have to agree with you because I think that then the legends game will be the next big Pokemon game. But I think the next one after that is actually going to be a black and white remake or black and white three. So I don't think the next legends game is going to be a black and white. And I'll tell you what I think the next legends game is going to be what region it's going to be. I think it's going to be Johto. Because they've been showing a lot of love in, in like Scarlet and Violet some of the recent games for Johto Pokemon in the Johto region. And even up to now with like the legendary beasts getting paradox forms and stuff. And, and a lot of Johto Pokemon got paradox forms even before that. Like there was a lot of Don fan love. And then even in Arceus you see Ursuluna who they continue to hype up with Blood Moon Ursuluna who could maybe be a more common encounter in a legends Johto game. I just, to me, pure speculation, right? But I think that the next Pokemon game will be Pokemon Legends and it'll take place in Johto, whatever they call it, I don't know. But I think that's what it's going to be. Yeah, you know, I was like totally on the Johto train too before all of the universe stuff happened and it's like kind of tricky to figure out what they're going to do because they definitely have sense of them to do the remake too. Because like they pumped out the first legends Arceus and the next game was the Diamond and Pearl remakes. Yeah, well, like logistically, they ever do a remake like that again. By the way, I'm out. Well, I'm like 99% certain that that game was never supposed to exist and Legends Arceus was the Diamond and Pearl remake and then something happened with COVID or something. Oh, that makes sense. That forced them to delay it into January because it would not release in January otherwise and then just had to have a release in 2021 for some reason. Yeah, that's true. And then they just had to have a release in 2021 for some reason. Either that or when they had the concept and idea for Legends Arceus, they're like, oh, it makes so much sense to do another cast grab a remake that Diamond and Pearl games. We're not going to be able to do it. Let's just have a mobile company do it for us and we'll just get extra money. And they were right. I mean, profit wise, it was worth it. But yeah, it's the same line of thinking. I think it's one of those two things, probably. Yeah. So I think it was like, you know, I think it's one of those two things that you're going to be able to do it. Same line of thinking. I think it's one of those two things, probably. Yeah. So I think it was like, it was a special exception type of situation for sure. But. But that's even a better point to why potentially it could be Legends Jojo and then Black and White remake because they aren't related to region. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, and then the Jojo idea makes way more sense from a timeline standpoint because it's been the longest amount of time since Jojo has been featured in a game. It's been since like Hargoltsle Silver. So like of any of the four, any of the longer gap, it's been way longer. And like in terms of longer since part gold, then it has Black and White. Right. Yeah. And in terms of like their remake timeline, it seems like way too soon to be revisiting Unova because it was just two years ago we did Sinnoh and they usually give it like five-ish years before they hop on to the next like major like revisitation or whatever. So I think there are definitely some like very impossibilities. But I feel like I feel like they could be having something like they've got like an ace in their pocket with whatever it is. And I could see it being the thing that they like use to really push possibly the switch to or it could be like a Black and White two situation. I hope they step it up because like Pokemon releases on switch. I've been such a mixed bag. There's been like glimpses of potential and then so many F ups in my opinion. Yeah. And Johto is like my favorite region for my childhood. Like I played the death out of red, blue, yellow. I was there when they came out. But then when gold and silver came out, those were amazing. Then I didn't play Pokemon for a while. And then the only reason I got back into it was because a heart gold soul silver and those blew my mind. So I just want to see Johto done right. But the other thing I like about your idea for a Black and White legends is for those of you don't know that takes place in the United States. The only Pokemon region that's the United States. So it'll be really cool to see a legends game based on the place I live depending on. And I don't think Pokemon would ever do a future game despite implications of Scarlet and Violet, but to see possibly a past you know, or maybe even one that was parallel to the to the DS games, but a legends game somehow. I mean, either way, I just think that would be cool too. Yeah, I mean, I could the one thing I could see with that kind of ties everything together with Scarlet and Violet and legends is that they I don't know what they would call it. But it would basically be like Black and White 3. But that is the future title because it's a sequel to Black and White 3 or Black and White 2. And so you have legends that's the past Scarlet and Violet. That's the present. And then this game. That's the future. And that kind of like wraps it all up into one because I have a question for you. I'm just curious. I have kind of an unpopular opinion where I think Scarlet and Violet is way more fun than Legends Arceus. I think it's way more flawed as well. But despite the flaws, like even with them, it's more fun in my opinion. And I'm just wondering what you what you think and what you feel about it. Um, I would say that I have more fun with Legends Arceus, particularly because of like the catching mechanic and just the like the ride Pokemon, the different ride Pokemon and different things like that. But I think Scarlet and Violet has a lot of things going for it too. With like the open world and like the the quest structure I really enjoyed. I think it might like it might have been like right there or could have possibly like eclipsed it because of the open world aspect if it wasn't for those like technical hiccups. Yeah, the traversal and the ride Pokemon in Legends Arceus is probably the best they've ever done it. I'd agree. Yeah. That being said, Scarlet and Violet, traversal wasn't terrible. I'd say it's better than most games because there's no HMs. And it was creative how instead of like in Sword and Shield, they give you like is give you a bike that can do everything. Yeah. It kind of doesn't make sense. I like how they like made it make a little more sense. Doesn't take you out of it as much. Yeah. And like I love I loved how they use the legendary to do that and they like brought the legendary like into the story like right from the beginning. And the story itself as a whole is like probably. I mean, my favorite, but also probably the best in terms of just like lore and twists and stuff like that. Like that was a lot of fun. So like I think Scarlet and Violet has a ton going for it. But with Legends, I think just the fact that it's so different and fresh and has like just try so many new things is what I loved so much about it. So so I mean like really for all the controversy that Scarlet and Violet has had with its performance, I feel like we've gotten like some pretty like promising and like fun experiences in the past couple of games that we've had. So it's like, yeah, like they haven't improved the performance. Shit. Like I like I fully admit that, but it's a fun game to play. It doesn't ruin the experience. It doesn't take away any fun for me. And honestly, a lot of the people I saw that get mad at the performance didn't even play it. They're like, I'm so like this is they looked at clips on Twitter and they're like, this is so bad. They're not getting my money. Like I could pay it, but it's not a principle. I'm not going to apply this game. It's like, well, how can you really say if it's fun or not? Then dude, you're the Pokemon games all the way back to the OG. Part of their fun was their brokenness. You know what I mean? This is a little different. I'll give you that. But still, like, I mean, all that does is just prove that a game can be messed up and still be fun. Yeah, I like the product that I got. However, I do hope they start holding themselves to a higher standard. Yeah, I would 100 percent agree with that sentiment because like I don't want to like take anyone's experience away if they just had genuine issues. But I've heard the same thing. Like I didn't really have any issues whatsoever, aside from like a frame drop here there. And everyone I've talked to who legitimately like play through the game. Like I've talked to hardcore gamer people. I've talked to casual friends that just wanted to pick it up and play it. They've all said the same thing where it's just like, yeah, it's like you get a hiccup every now and then, but it's nothing like game breaking. So it's it almost feels to me like people were trying to break the game. And then yes, that is the thing. The longer you ran the game consecutively with without like pausing or taking a break if you just let it run, the worse it got. So people would leave their systems on for days, then take clips and post them to Twitter purely for content. And then people would take that and they think that was like an average experience. Well, it was easy to replicate. It wasn't something you were really seeing. And if you did start to see anything like that, rebooting the game fixed it. Yeah. So, well, that should never be the case for a triple A$60 release. It's not as bad as what it was made out to be. Yeah, that's how I feel. Cool. Love it. All right. There's your little bonus Pokemon topic for the day. All right. We're going to get to our Q&A section, guys. If you have any questions, you can submit them for as little as $2 super chats or use your free member chat if you happen to be a member. And you know what? This Nintendo Prime bastard just wanted to hear more Pokemon debate saying, I want to see Hoops and Jake debate right now. Best Pokemon game in Y go. So, before either of us answer Hoops, I'll let you answer first, actually, since I'm saying this. But I will say best Pokemon game, much like any, you know, game that you would champion or this is the best game. It's not a, there's so many good ones. It's about nostalgia. Wrongly with nostalgia. Your whatever Pokemon game you played first is going to be a huge factor. Probably going to be one of your top three, the first Pokemon game you ever played. It's going to be up there. So all that stuff goes into it. So Nate wants blood, but I got to say, I'm going to respect any opinion, unless you sail with your son or Ultra Moon. Yeah, that's not on my list. That is not on my list. I think there's not going to be much argument because for the longest time, my best Pokemon game was Harcolt Silver. I think it is slightly been eclipsed by Legends Arceus, but I love them both for the same reasons. And that's that they're packed with cool things to do. There's just like, they're just super fun to play. I mean, they've got different features and stuff, but they're just both a blast. And then the thing that really like seals it for me is like, just all the content they offer. So like Harcolt Silver has Kanto that you get to play in the post game, where Legends has like, it has one of, in terms of just like things to do after the main story, like the best post games out there. And then it has, spoiler alert, if you haven't played it, it has that final battle at the end, which is, when I was playing it, I was like, you know, like, I've always thought the red battle and Harcolt Silver was the best Pokemon battle. But now this one, I have to like give it credit. Like this is like blowing my mind. So like, it's really kind of just like, it's like splitting hairs almost, which one I like better. But I just like all of the, like, I like how bold Legends Arceus was. And like, I want Pokemon to be that bold. And so I kind of give it the edge because of that. But those are really, well, I think that Pokemon Legends Arceus showed a huge thing. There's a big demand for that type of Pokemon game. But then the bare bones remakes came out and they sold even better. So it's like, okay, so even if it's terrible, there's still a big demand for traditional, but I think much like 2D and 3D Zelda or 2D and 3D Metroid, there needs to be both. Or, you know, there's an audience for both. And for some people, they might like one and not the other. I think a lot of people love Legends Arceus and are just kind of done with other modern Pokemon. And then there's me, who didn't really love Legends Arceus, but, you know, still loves like Scarlet and Violet. I think Sword and Shield, it's still a special place in my heart, but I think it was kind of a bad game, one of the worst ones. But Scarlet and Violet definitely improved a lot. And they learned, I do like how, obviously, Legends Arceus, the battle mechanics, everything came from traditional Pokemon, but then they took Legends Arceus stuff and added that to Mainline Pokemon too. So I like how they can still have the two distinct things, but use things from each to make each one better. That being said, my best Pokemon game is our Gold Soul Silver. Yeah, you honestly can't argue that because it's like, it was already the game that had two regions, which just everyone loves. It was already my favorite. I play the OG Gold and Silver and Crystal still. Yeah, so it's like, those games already had so much content, so much value, but then they had the audacity to add the battle frontier and they added all the Legendaries from Gen 3 and they added even more and they added the following Pokemon. Like, they had no, those games did not have to be. That's why talking about a Legends Johto, has me scared because honestly, we're live right now and just thinking about it has me on the verge of exploding in my pants. Yeah, I have to say about that. If they can just give us... You're good then. I don't wear pants. No, holes of pants tension. Sorry Hoops, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, you're good. I don't know if Hoops is wearing pants either, we gotta be pantsless right now. That's very true. I'm cut off at the waste for a reason. I'll see you at the club, sir. But I mean, I feel like all they have to really do to give us a great like Johto remake game, whatever it is, is like Scarlet and Violet level in terms of like the scope, just more optimized technically. And I feel like that's kind of like more or less what you could expect to give it. It will be so cool given it's... Dude, imagine Johto. You know how you experienced like, you experienced like the tower, like the burn tower where you find Legendary Beast and it's burned to the ground. Imagine exploring that in 3D before it burned down. Yeah, that would be so cool. That's like what they have to do for like... Incorporating how the Legendary Beast were formed. Like, you know how the fan theory is that they were the Eeveelutions and they burned in the fire and reincarnated as like... Imagine seeing that happen as a side storyline. Like, oh man, I'm not hyping responsibly, but I'm excited. But that's why like Legends is so cool because like every Pokemon game has like cool stories like that that can be just like explored and made into like a top tier experience. So yeah and I do think that like that first Legends game part of the reason I didn't... I love what they were thinking with it. It just felt too empty to me. Besides the one town, it was very tech demo. And in the way that Breath of the Wild was seen as a tech demo compared to Taries of the Kingdom in a lot of ways, I think that a lot of people, even that if Arceus is their favorite, will feel the same way about Arceus compared to the next Legends game. I think they learned so much from it and it's just going to get so much better. So I'm really excited. I feel like whatever the next game is, whether it's a Legends game or not, will be like a marriage of Legends and then Scarlet and Violet where like Scarlet and Violet improved on the open world aspect and like having the towns, like the world be more populated with towns and stuff like that. But then Legends had the cool mechanics of like freely catching Pokemon. Let's make it so you can actually enter the buildings and the towns. Yeah, please, yes. That's a gripe for sure. But yeah, I think the next game will be like, it'll have like the features of Legends, hopefully like catching and those types of things. But then it has the open world and then the populated world of Scarlet and Violet. That's the dream. But I also feel like that's kind of like the next natural step. So I think it's hyping responsibly. Yeah, I like your style, man. Yeah. All right, I'm going to go put them on the Hypersponsible t-shirts. Got them in the back. No, no, no. I like hoops and the horizontal stripes. No, Hypersponsible. I cannot pull off the horizontal stripe in the moment. I will say this. It is not a good look on me. Let's see what a wide load. It's just not a good look on me. I love wide loads. Jake, we know how wide a load you like, about two inches. Oh, that's me. Keep it clean. No, dude, that was my nickname. I'm not even kidding. You know, that was my nickname in high school, right? Watch it. Nice. No, I thought that's why you were holding it up. Oh, we know your nickname in high school. Because I mean, it's pretty. I mean, I thought you were just that big of a deal. You're kind of a big deal. I've been interviewed on the radio about my nickname being wet jet. People know me. All right, man. You should see this show on most weeks when we have like six people. I don't even want to know how I do this. It's been so long. It's been like, what, two weeks? It gets pretty wild when we have a full six pack. Gosh, I don't even know who's on next. I can't even see on the whiteboard over there. I was going to tell people who we are coming on next week. I don't even remember. I think it's Nintendo lands coming on. But I'll just restart really back to Yeah, I have no idea. We're one short of a six pack. We'll make it happen. Don't worry. I heard we always went short of a six pack. Lately it's been that way. Hey, didn't we have six on? It was like two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, yeah, yeah. Last week was just four because I wasn't around so I couldn't organize any extras. And then this week I tried to get some extras in, but I just dipped out and then I was like, well, you know, we'll just go with four. And then next week we have five right now. I'll probably get a six. And then December 6th, we have Nintendo coming back on. He hasn't been on in a bit. Oh, yeah, remind me to make a second holy chance account called Nintendo bitch. Well, I'm talking you compete with the two inch destroyer, though. You're going to have both. They're different audiences, different audiences. I mean, you could argue, are they really fundamentally at the core? No, but if I get different audiences, then I do a collab and then both accounts, boom, baby. Instant profits. Yeah. Two inch destroyer versus Nintendo bitch. Just create drama. Like, like the old, the older drama days. True. Oh, man. Everyone. Every one that saw this. We're slowly evolving. I was talking about this. If you saw this, no, you didn't. All right. Dude, if you're not dropping diss tracks, you're doing it wrong. All right. Well, I think that's going to do it for the Nintendo Prime Podcast. This week, first of all, I want to thank our guest. It's not our hoops. You weren't on a more eventful show this week. This is my first show back from being sick. So I kind of slow getting back into the show. But oh, well, next time we have you on, there'll probably be a lot better topics and a lot more crazy stuff going on. But I do appreciate you taking the time out and still showing up and everything, especially with me pushing the podcast back. But I really appreciate that. Jake, you just take it. And that's just the way it is. Wait. Anyways, we'll go around real quick. Say who we are, where you can find, what you got going on, any upcoming content or streams maybe people can look forward to. I will start with our guest hoops. You got anything going on and where can they find you? Well, you can find me right here on YouTube under hoops and hip hop. I do Pokemon content of all kinds. I watched your channel all the time. I didn't know that was you. Yeah, that's me. Yes, to be fair, not on camera that often. Yeah, I'm not speaking of drop line. I actually have one thing of beef with your channel. It's not too serious, but this might be fun to keep people interested for another second. There was genuinely one thing that I saw on your videos one time that I was like, I don't like that. Someone had commissioned and paid someone a lot of money to make artwork for an alternate version of Magikarp and Gyarados that were like grass versions. And you use those images in your video and like never credited them. And I was like, what the heck? I, oh, it was like getting called drama. It was like drama. Let's go. It was a toad school. You know how there's like the alternate versions in Scarlet Violet, like one trail, Wiglet and stuff. And there was found in the code that at one point there was going to be a Magikarp and Gyarados. Right. Yeah. Yeah, those ones. I commissioned those. Yeah, I commissioned those. Maybe I was mad. Maybe I was mad at a different channel for doing it to you, for doing it to you. Yeah. I commissioned those for sure. Okay. Oh, my God. I didn't like this. In that case, somebody used those and didn't credit you. Yeah, that could do. Maybe that's it. I'm glad I said something because now I know that you're a fucking good guy. Yeah. I'm square with crediting. I commissioned a lot of most of my stuff, but if I do use someone else. Jake Randall, you thought you got him, but you're up. Yeah, I'm glad because I like him. And then I was like, hey, wait a second. Dude, you stole some art over there. And you mean the art I commissioned? Like, hey, you know what? I've never said it to anyone. And that's the thing. You never talk shit about someone unless you're going to be man enough to talk about it to their face and ask them about it. Well, we already know when I met you in person, I'll totally touch it to your face. So we've already crossed that. Well aware. Well aware. No, that's, I mean, that's what I mean. We give it to each other all night long. Totally. Dude, we trade. We trade. You take it sometimes. I take it sometimes. It is what it is. Man, I wish I could remember who the other creator was that used your images. Because now it's going to bother you. I don't know. They totally don't get credit. Yeah, it's all happens all the time to by the way, I genuinely did do watch your channel and people should watch it. So dope. Well, appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Now it makes sense. You are the only Pokemon videos I watch on the air. Yeah, just so you're aware. So wait, one more question hoops. Sorry, Nate, you're just going to have, we're just going to have to go a little longer. Um, were you originally a channel for something else? And then you pivoted to Pokemon? That's what I've always wondered about your channel. Um, sort of kind of. I started out doing, uh, remixes, like just like video games in general. Oh, cool. Okay. And so we're still kind of related. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I, I, and then I sort of like wanted to do videos and I did Pokemon ones and those ones did really good. So I was just like, okay, I'll go with this. You know, nice. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's kind of where it comes from. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Hoops just Nintendo switched it on you. Just so you're right. Oh, yeah. Pan-held though. Credit to Natu for that joke. Credit to Natu. It was a little lame, but thanks, Natu. I don't mind. I don't mind what you're like. Call me Nintendo bitch. That's what they call me, Nintendo Prime. Uh, sorry. I was getting into this whole prime time thing in my head and it was going places that I cannot speak of. Oh boy. Um, all right. So yeah, go follow Hoops and Hepshop guys. He's got a lot of stuff going on. Lots of Pokemon. If you're really into Pokemon, I know we actually gained a few subscribers during that Pokemon stuff. Hey, I'm not like the big Pokemon YouTuber. That's, that's the guy. Go, go, go hang out with him. He'll talk Pokemon all day long, man. Comments, videos, your streams once in a while, you just go, go follow him. He's literally the only Pokemon YouTuber on the entire platform. I actually watch his content, which is crazy. He says I'm not like a big Pokemon guy, but I don't know what it is. Maybe it's his voice. Maybe it's the fact that I'm like watching Hoops and he's got Hoops in his username. I don't know what it is, but it just works. I mean, dude, he's got Michael Jordan in the background. Yeah, guaranteed view. Yeah. No, his videos are just like easy to watch, like fun. Yeah. Very easy to follow and watch and listen to. You never really feel lost even if you don't know anything about Pokemon. That's good. It's kind of nice. I like it. Yeah. Thank you. Um, then we got, you know, the prime bitch over here, Mr. Eric. Yeah. Yep. How's it going, man? Where can they find you? Here. Most, most weeks. Yeah, most weeks. As I said, you were my backup to host last week and then I remember, oh, shit, you're not going to be here. Nope. I was in South Dakota. I was like, Hey, my co-host can host. Nope. No, we cannot. Yeah. Eric, you lost your opportunity for the first time in like seven years. You could have hosted an episode. Right. You could have ran it your way. You know what? You wouldn't have kept it clean enough. No. And you talked too much. You talked way too much. Way too much to run this show. Way too much. You know what's about the guests. Not about you. Right. Eric, Eric was spitting some facts tonight, though. I do think that honestly, out of all of our girls, the most likely thing that Nintendo might do at the Game Awards is talk about more about the movie. Because that's one thing they like to promote as much as they can. And I think we've seen it with the Mario movies. They like to try to get as much press out. Yeah. If you want to get some attention that ain't just video game related, drop some famous person playing Link and next thing you know, it hits outside of gaming. Yeah. So I'm going to have some page of entertainment week. That'll be the day. All right. Did you see that quote, Nate? Where he's like, if I don't play Link in the Zelda movie, we've got a problem. Yeah. I'm like, dude, if you play Link in the movie, you've got a much bigger one. Look, let me tell you, Machine Gun Kelly, look. Your cosplay was all right. I don't, your acting ability can go fuck up. You as a person can fuck up. I'm just going to say that right now. Sorry if I offended you or Megan Fox, my bad. But just don't really like you guys as people. Can you imagine if like Megan Fox played Zelda and he played Link? That would single handedly destroy the Zelda franchise forever. There's no reason. Let's just be honest. He basically destroyed Megan Fox. At one point I thought Megan Fox was all right and then Machine Gun Kelly stuff happened. And I'm like, you know what? Also, Megan Fox decided to just stop working. Like, what's the last thing she's been in? Well, she doesn't need to anymore. Right. That's a real reason you call off the radar though. Well, no shit. I'm not talking about her falling off the radar. I'm talking about me just finding out that she, I don't like her as a person. I guess. Thank you, Machine Gun Kelly for pointing out her true personality, apparently. Dude, there are really weird people on a personal level that maybe Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox are actually really nice people. I have no idea. They drink each other's blood. I know. I'm saying all I do is I do the shit. Here's the thing, but here's the thing. Okay, Jake, this is all the shit we see online and this is what we see them talk about in public. But do I know 100% for a fact that it was blood that they drink? I do not know that 100% for a fact. I just don't. Did they say that? Yes. That's what they said. Okay. It's okay. Okay. Jake, have you ever heard of the LPR? Yeah, I'm not that naive. Yeah, okay. You're right. You're right. And by the way, even if they do drink each other's blood, okay, cool. I don't really care that you do it. It's your business. It's whatever. I mean, technically, we're having blood every time we eat meat and shit. So look, I'll just say this, I'll just say this. I don't know them as people. So I can't technically comment on them as people, but the way they portray themselves publicly is really shitty. Yeah. So if it's not like real cool, but I just don't think marketing and shit. So go fuck yourself, San Diego. I mean, what if in real life? Oh man, I gotta get out of this steam deck so you can go over there and and a stream deck and you can mute yourself here. You don't have to reach across the table. Whoa now, Aaron. Jake, where are the what you got going on? Anything coming up and where can they find you? Yeah, got a lot going on right now because I'm tracking restocks for the PlayStation portal. So if you're trying to buy one, just follow me on Twitter. Jake Randall, I've got a review of the PlayStation portal coming out. Whenever you decide to open the box. What's that? I said your review is coming whenever you decide to open the box. Part of the reason I didn't is because I want to do a really nice job filming the unboxing to use as B-roll for the review. What? Look at you trying to be professional over there. Trying to be. You should just do one of those like you get on a live stream and you're like, dude, this is my first time opening the portal. And then you there's like he man that shit and rip the whole box in half in one pull. That's what plain rock 124 does. Yeah, I know that's plain rock. But he also then goes at it with a hammer and breaks it afterwards. He doesn't just. That's true. My favorite one was when he unboxed the Mario Kart live and like just like tied it to a string to his car and just drove around with it off the back. Like Napoleon Dynamite with the toy. I did. He comes up with some pretty funny ideas with it. He's not like just like he's not just like everything. Well, he started out as just smashing and doing dumb shit. And then he's all right. We can't just keep doing the tricks. Get. Oh, you know what's so funny about the Mario Kart live thing was because he turned it on. And so he first shows you the footage of him driving with it tailed by his car. But then he shows you the footage from the camera that's on the car. Like it's perspective on his switch and it's fucking hilarious. It's just like going crazy and then just black. Ah, good stuff. It's good stuff. Anyways, you can find Jake Randall at Jake Randall everywhere, pretty much, except on only fans doing destroyer and only fans. By the way, he definitely related. There's a content creator that I've never met before, but I might have drama with called Nintendo bitch and only fans. So just watch out for that. Also, well, I'm just restart was not here today because he had some stuff going on. By the way, it's it's a holiday season Thanksgiving. So I'm sure it's some family thing. I do want to make sure that we shout out our dear friend. I just restart is a regular on the show. He got to go on the kind of funny game cast or whatever this morning early this morning. So I want to give him a little shout out. Proud of you, buddy. Getting invited by Tim Getty's having a good time over there. You get to appear on the very thing. That I'm trying to buy the giant $20,000 video wall. Congrats. You bastard. I'm just kidding. I mean, it was pretty cool because I actually watched their content. So it was weird to see a Spider-Man PS5. I'm just restart like a little bit of their video. What is going on? I don't know. It's just, it's not going to show. I see you for everybody. The Spider-Man PS5 face plates just restocked. There it is. See, right now it is. Ant on line. Literally, as soon as I hit end stream, he's going to be like, dude, switch to drop pre-orders hit. Anyways. All right, guys. I'm obviously Nathaniel Robeljans from Nintendo Prime. You guys should know who I am. I know if you don't, this is the first time you've ever heard me. Hey, I'm a Nintendo YouTuber that talks about news primarily. We also do live streams every Monday, Tuesday and Thursday. And then we have our podcast every Wednesday where we have guests from all across the content creator space. Come on. And we just shoot the shit and talk about video games. The latest news, sometimes just random ass topics. Like apparently we added a Pokemon topic today. Should have known two Pokemon lovers. Andres restart is going to be jealous he wasn't here because it would have been a three pack. And I would have just sat back and took a nap for an hour. And that's okay. That's okay. If I could take a nap in the middle, you know what? That is now a new podcast goal that I get to nap for like a third of the show. That's, that's what I do whenever you talk. Oh, Jake's not good with the whole, you know, sleep with eyes open thing. Anyways, Justin Long and strange wilderness. Yes. He's got his eyes tattooed to the back of his eyelids. So it looks like he's awake. Anyways, guys, yeah, our podcast is everywhere. I know we're a little bit behind on the audio versions. We'll get those taken care of here. I think over this weekend, at least again, I've been sick. So it is what it is. You guys are awesome. And we'll catch you at the same time next week. See you later. Peace out. And I'm not actually ready to hit end yet. So I was gonna say, hi, my name is Nintendo.