 Umenikuta mid-sentence. I was just about to tell these guys, my people, how we like to keep it a little bit fast paced. Because imagine we like to hear about what you're thinking, where you're watching us from. Tumakanga tuapat kipiski za tu. Although niwona niwot na mi nongia, your input is very important at WhiteFive on Facebook. At White254China on Twitter. The hashtag is WhiteInfemoni, QueensWednesday, WCW, pick a hashtag, throw it, slap it on our social media handles, and we will glorify your name on national TV. Aza wame lejitangu. My name is Valentine. I'm working like to sana, sana, sana on this interview. I'm going to add color on everything. Now please help me introduce my panel. How are you? Momeni sheta, kwa na expect nongia vo? Ya, how what you see is what you get o. I told my mongelesha kabla, camera yende on is the same way I delivered it. So, you gotta love me. What's your name? Um, Amorin Goody. Welcome. Is your first time? Yes. The very beautiful. See all these men lining up here, don't be fooled that it's the topic. Mi nini. So, what's your business? What do you do, Mori? Um, I'm a student and I'm studying lands away. What are your social media handles? Um, Amorin Facebook. Um, but I go by the name Janine Rowley. Janine Tiana. That way. Okay, we'll get to you shortly. Queen was good. I'm good. I really like your ink. I don't think I've ever seen this in folk before. Thank you. Does it have a symbol? Does it mean something? Ya, this is actually many people confused this with Geiko. Everybody when they see it, they're like Geiko. Crocodile. No, this is a salamanda. And I did this when I was informed too. For your bad girl? No. No. It's just that actually it resembles my life somehow. Ya, my story is similar as a salamanda. I don't know. Survival, like, ya. Ah, don't be fooled by this. The baby says. The hands talk more. Well, well. Um, I guess. Yes. And the king in the room, how are you? I'm fine. No, no, no. It's just that it's really good. Ya, I'm fine. If this is not an interview, how are you? Ah, I'm okay. What's your name? I'm John Odeyambu Elias Joe. Wow. So we go with Joe? In Kenikando. Social media handles? Facebook? Jojo? J-O-E? Space? J-O-E? Instagram? Jojo? J-O-E? Space? J-O-E? Mm-hmm. Twitter? J-O-E? Space? J-O-E? So to say material, the J-O-E is. Ni jojo, jojo. Bakis, na jo kuna wengino kuki prononce jojo, wana jo ni J-O-J-O ya. We have to put some umf into a jail. Nivong. Ya. Like, Karebunisana, guys. Today we are talking about life after campus. All the expectations, all the things that we imagined would happen. Like, Pai Tufefo, imagine. All the things we dreamed and aspire. And I know this hits a bit harder. Wanyu kia na kampo, alafu toke, alafu na expect vitu kama job immediately. Ama unajpe baya salari flani. Mm, maybe. If you've just graduated or you're about to graduate, let us know, educate you. And you who've graduated, please tell us what challenges you face or what you're facing even to date. Can I tell you again? Social media and us, Wai Tufefo Facebook at Wai Tufefo channel on Twitter. Hashtag is what in the morning. Can we just go straight up there? But none of any. Kadem kame piga yoga po. Did you imagine you would have a well-paying job immediately after campus? Did you? Yes. But what's your graduate? My graduate. My dad. Do you imagine you're going to have a well-paying job? Yes. Ati so when you na pepa po, you just show them where you've been studying ato date what you are straight there. There is nothing you are a perfect student. That's what you imagine to have. Do you know otherwise? Yes. Tell me what you know. Okay, you will expect after maybe school you'll get something out there at the work, a good paying job, a good life. What? It's a struggle. After vision. It reaches a point where okay, did I miss somewhere? Like everything just becomes so hard because the competition out there is just real. As for me, I haven't graduated yet but I had to put a pose to my education and trust me it's hard out there. So I had to hustle because this rent I have to pay, my mum can't pay everything. I have to help her. So this rent you want to slay, you want to go out with me. So you have also to hustle so it's not as easy. And also the documents they don't really work that. Really? Go to school. It's not what you have on the table, it's what you can do. Do you have a different experience poichal? I've been made to believe that poichal akimaliza to hivi the next thing is asasu to ekakitu. Since you're a man now no puna pepa, you might as well. But for me, it's no because the campus it's not a place to prepare you for a job. There is no job opportunity. So it's just a stage. So it's just a stage to mold you to a perfect person, to a adult. So you should not suppose to raise your expectation that I'm going here, I'm going to get, I'm going to be a CEO after this campus. No, you should suppose to create those opportunities while you are in campus. By the time you are living in campus you have these on my links and everything. Like, sure to me, kwa na your strength of a woman no lady may say ma, atia lianza kukuja interviewza KBC time ya le kwa campus akwa me maliza le kwa campus na li manage to secure his opportunity. So kiaanza while you are in campus it will be a bit easier What if your girl child who has children is still on campus. What if your days are consumed either by being a parent or just trying to just be alive and pay all your bills. Yabu muliaze yo struggle in afika lafume bia to pay solutions. If you have a child obviously you'll go out seeking for a job because you have to support me. So you won't just sit there inasmuch as you have your classes your studies you'll have to go out get a job find something that you can do so that you can support your child. So you won't just sit there you have to put in the effort and make sure that balance it. But it's really hard you have a kid in school and you still want to work. So this is what I was saying that campus is a stage this is just a stage to mold you to a perfect person because the problem is you may not want to mess their life in campus and then you expect things to run simultaneously after campus. So campus So talking to me in parables what is messing life in campus what do you mean? Then you expect after campus to talk to you this is an opportunity like I can give you a good example I have friends kuna wenginiwa kuna wato but while kuna benda kuja rome if there is any opportunity outside there that you want to know about any amount you want me to talk to naienda then I introduce them to another guy and I work with a certain media media station then he will ask me what is this what is above me what is going on because they are hustling even by the time they come into my room to ask for a certain opportunity they are hustling so you should not suppose just to sit there waiting for opportunities But again you encompass to study vile as much as you want to enjoy life which is how nini liku pelika campus so if you know you can't support someone else why go get that someone else in the first place so if it's a must you have a boyfriend and it's a must you engage yourself in sex activities that bring about children yes so you just use protection yeah avoid between gine so you just say I will take you to the hospital I think you need to take me to the hospital I will take you to the hospital actually I will make a mistake she is feeling a bit different I will make a mistake the people who put it after pregnant it was a mistake there is no mistake I never have spread it yes when you are doing it it was not a mistake you are in your right sense when you are doing it not a lesson say you are raped or you are drugged or something that's understandable but if nili liku I will take you to the hospital I have a baby and then I will take you to the hospital he will keep a terror or whatever he will not take you to the hospital no no he will keep a terror or whatever he will keep a terror or whatever oh yes oh yes part of this is lit I feel like you have a different opinion mom it's not all the time that it's a choice so at times like the way she said it can be rape or maybe you are drugged or maybe you went out by tea then you got into met a man maybe he drugged you you get pregnant so it's not always a choice none going to another na kusasimu nisho please see at these such touch up so mama we're just giving scenarios in which you know some things will be a bit more challenging for you than other people I'd like to think number two how long do you got your first job after graduation say is in maswadi nikama is our two women graduate but you I know you are or you have been employed but even before you've graduated before even when I was still in school but for me I came from a very humble I come from a humble background and so alafu nime grotun eile kujtege mea as much as I want to ask my mom for something piya isikwetina abad en sana so kuna viduzini to activations so I used to go for the activations and they pay well yes kuna beauty products kuna drinks and they really pay well so I could buy and I was also a dancer so I used to dance kuna easy road shows I used to do them and at the end of the week I have like 12 Gs for just dancing for the activations I have like 6K you see at least by that nizatenge nizangu ele nizangu bainguo I can still print my hand out at school so yeah alafu kutana boi tiaz maa kambia umuja infact when I was in campus me I you want to be my friend ok but if you want something else I can't right now I have more important things to do piya mothers out there clapping and chanana vidjana so maa kwa nizangu if that guy is not encouraging maa kukwambion how you can earn money why with him in the first place you in campus to make your life it was something good in future single so if that guy is not helping you where you ever employed before in graduate yeah I went to graduate I'm supposed to graduate this year so I was employed last year but my first job I got my first job while I was in high school I was our school captain so connections my school was our connection connection what are we are we not here so while you were in high school and you were school captain and it's a big school before the constitution we used to chair the B.O.G. meeting to represent the issue of the student so by then our B.O.G. members niwale wa say we were tulipana form anachiaman yojuesonga so while I was herring the views of the issue of the student this person was talking so after high school I learned how to speak where are you what are you doing so from there I connected and linked and then I was also good at public speaking so I connected to a certain media house I connected to this producer so I learned how to speak to the audience and I learned how to speak and then something I was earning from there high school so Kiera Rapan is king and you laugh but it sounds legit like Kito Lea in a crowd it's a meeting so there's more than one person but you're the most vocal so it's just about take you a kuna kirere actually that's a long story but look at where he is now look at where he is now but sometimes kuna kuna kirere kuna ka point they have a hidden point kuna kuna kuna maza and then also kuna kuna kirere so unge out-a-field but kuna wengi na kere rewa it's just unnecessary they just talk they just try to be funny for no reason it's just people who talk and have nothing Nothing at all like you just stringing words together but at least you are inza matunda but let me tell you something here you are a school president we call it school president you are the man in around 1200 student are looking up to you you're supposed to hear their views you're supposed to like talking So I used to, you must be on the side of administration. You should also sometimes favour your interest and again favour the interests of the students So Kierere Umbene na Houjpen Raka So by the end of the day, okika chini, shule wana admin, admin session now, nini wana kupenda, student wana kupenda, you again umi achieve something. I have a question for you. Let's say what are the expectations placed on you, like familiarize kikai na sama, What do they expect after that? What they expect, especially after graduate, if I get a job, I must support them. Like if I get a good paying job. So for my mother, she looks at me like I'm the one to... Are you the first born? No, I'm just the soba one. That was such a lit answer. Wow, ok. I'm just the soba one in my family because my sister comes to my sister Rie. Yes, and my other sister she's little. So I'm the soba one. So I seem focused. So my mom definitely expects that I'll be there to stand in the gap with my father. I believe as the soba one, you're going great places. But let's just place a scenario in which you've graduated, umerusha kofiya, and then you remain unemployed for a year. You know, for a month nisawa, ah, tuituch na kwelewa, nisawa 12 umilewa. See, umaliza shule nisawa. But suddenly they start looking at you funny. You're still in the house. I watch two TV, no, ume watch two TV, usikuna ni news. O kaziya kwa tu mi kuweti TV. Ataviyon bowezi usha. What's going to happen to your self esteem? Do you start going, are you going to start asking yourself questions like, what kind of a person am I? Am I a bad child? Why can't I provide for my family? Um, if it takes that long before me getting a job, definitely I'll be frustrated the first period. But the good thing, I usually motivate myself. So like, I have to find a way. So like, I'll have to, I'll find people. I have friends who are very supportive. So I can think of starting a job. So I am. That I'd like, I'd like that very much. But chungyanzana, what is a well-paying job? What is the salary that you deserve? Enyanikuna job, isi kaziya kaniza. But say na kajiya, let's just be honest. Is it 30? Is it 40? Is it 10? Is it 20? Does it vary for everyone? But let's just give it a couple of years. For me, I'll say a good paying job. At least I'll say from 50. From 50, I can be able to like, divide my salary into portions where I get something small and my family too at the same time supporting them. What do you feel? For me, I have a controlling opinion. It's depend where you stay. It's depend with your budget. It's depend with your family. Because I have two friends. One of them work in Mombasa, and some have around 80,000. One of them work in Niguri, and around 40,000. But this one in Niguri, budget ya kei kwa saa. We'll be in Mombasa. Before any month, kama muna karebiya kwa any month, kwa dana ka so ni to me. So it's depend with your budget. Sometimes kwa namtwa hu kipata salary. Kuki kutuk labu. They have these, these, these. The two weeks? D two weeks. Una this guy hi kipata salary, ata li pa numba. Basta fuki asimi. Una plan na ni a kwa jie. And then, let's face it, this is a guy that's not a hyper lady. Even if you're Anna- What is a hyper lady? Ipe lekans kar RMP Amal. So again, I help a lady. Let me try to describe it. This is my friend yesterday in Panyani town about this topic. So, not only are your parents and people expecting things from you but now but we will still expect few things from you. Yeah. But again, it all changes at a point. Mi am a first born kwaitu. I used to be like at least if we graduate, we will have a job. We will be able to support us somehow because we have small siblings. So it all changed after me I don't like the thing I do also I just have to go out there and find something to do. After I started sending her some cash you can pay the fee for this, you can do this, you can do that I think I'll stop pressuring her about school She's doing something for herself It changes How much do you think would be ideal for your first job? Just if you want to go to school again you shouldn't take exams You have to go to school to make a living So as you think about it, it's overupure in Kusakwe and here he was worn to death at Sooma How much did you think? For me, 80,000 Mwaan ameza matne Nile amoza ni omengi ama uona ramen I think there's a certain point We are seeing in Sunoma education and say in investment Una in Bada in Sunoma education a Corna pari itka 와vikama A Un ni shamba ErWA kuna waza zewa Ukuwa As Sandju different cows and my kids react to need help and look for support. So I see them as degradation or how it affects children. Yjwa mireni kismote kroeps Kons were you been helping these people? They brought your family. They were writing their story. But you kind of threw them away? Takia kwa lettuceibunu kakishawa hiri gaupa Uząsatia magubiwa кakishawa kakishawa Ua uumpiri wa uumpiri Ua uumpiri wa uumpiri Biwa uumpiri wa uumpiri Ua uumpiri wa uumpiri wo tuntu kwa hiriwa gruwe She is so weak that she is unable to get a place to live. So already there was a struggle on campus, and now the aluta continues, that struggle continues even after campus. It's not a lot guys, Amaha tu na fatuku swahia tu jikaze tu wishi life. But a point don't press amto totu sana, like some parents they don't even want to understand, wana ni it's your responsibility to do it, tu negu pelika kajule, we did our best so now you should… Yes, but they should give you time. That pressure is not good. Very a couple of things I want to take in, but let's do this. Did you ever consider volunteer work after graduation? Will you consider volunteer work? Like imagine me, my list may volunteer as in haakulipi fea. Haaku pay at the lunch. You are supposed to show up, look sharp on points presentable and execute your duties accordingly. Are you ready for such a thing? I have done with my friend Buni. I have done with my friend Buni. I have been working with my friend Buni. I have been working with my friend Buni. Hello, and you are now with Chika? Yes, I am working with Chika. I have been working with Chika. We used our fare, but something happened after we made up for free. Even now it was around 6 months. Then these guys would tweet at one day, Kujeni. Then they would tell me something, so they expected it. But then by the end of it, they would say, I have no idea how much I have to pay. I have to pay the money to go to the bank. Sometimes I have to provide fare, but they have no idea how much I have to pay. But they have to pay the opportunity. Because that's for now. I want you to tell the truth. In those 6 months that you were doing all these things out of your own pocket, how many times have you been working with Chika? Two or three times. But at the end of it, they have no idea how much I have to pay. At the end of it, they have no idea how much I have to pay. They have no idea how much I have to pay. They have no idea how much I have to pay. They have no idea how much I have to pay. But what we are doing now because of this, is that we have decided to do a job for this. Since then, we have been volunteering for six months to find recommendations. But we have decided to do it without paying money. What about the money we will announce? We will be doing our work and are polling for that. We will be making recommendations. The same recommendations. I think we will be up at hand. Are you ready for such a life? To volunteer? Yes Because there are some people I will speak of people in my field I've met our media personalities You've told me they've volunteered for two years Two years my friend is at It seems like a long time It may be time perspective during the matter But for two years you're going to work Alafumtu na kuna kwa TV Okay, we're together Already nani na kwa TV So there's already some misconception Ude ma kuna TV Ude ma TV Okay, just have one test Kwa sulna kwa tula bumitubao Natna albona tembe alia Wanyu nizagari Nini na kusumbua first and foremost So there are pressures inside and outside Same Outside forces or inside forces Do you feel like you're ready to deal with all of them? If I volunteer, definitely I'll be out there looking for experience and skills No matter how long it takes Ya li batika, 6 months niku batika Kuna niya na batika na 3 months And so on and so forth And the people who it takes a bit longer So ya niya mungu sasa Even if it takes long No no you're another I'll have a good opportunity An opportunity will arise What will you be doing in the meantime As you volunteer Because there's no income coming But your spending You're not bringing in What are you going to be doing To be difficult Since I'm looking I'm after something And I'll just push on And if you just let me Go left kidogo Kiswa li piya ni tamu Na takaji na mimi Okay Did you come across the dilemma Of lack of experience So umemali za Okay you're fresh Graduate Kidogo ta You go with a Well skia venyatu Sasa ni na wana toanga Versus a bible Sasa unenda kawana Toa za koza Whatever profession That you have done The book according to nani But still your experience Is not enough In fact they want you You're perfect But you should have At least two years of experience Zinge toka wa api na lukwa shule De ka tuka juliza maswali So this is what I was talking about I was discussing Before campus Yeah Like this person This is what we should Set our mind That we are not going To come out of campus And be a CEO We should start from somewhere We should even during campus Like me I was lucky enough Taking public relations and advertising So to fix our timetable Like only Monday And Tuesday to kuna classes Kwanzaa 7 Wao Wao To lazy fix We remain in days I said why is it We do other things So from there You will have like Kenia umutua mi Mefanya We kuna experience Me na kaka 2 years Hakini kuna Ya 1 year At least But also I think out on a konga like They are just They mean what they say And then it will make sense Because We should come to Kwa maybe see Of a company Naji So We should come We should set our mind To come out of campus To come out of campus These things In this situation Ya this is a change But I go out For my problem For my problem Then we fix it Okay this next question Is designed for the ladies It is girl's talk Remember Facebook is Y254 Or at Y254 China Onto the hashtag And I know I can see you typing Continue just typing Okay I feel That there is Obviously there is going to be Precious you know You are out there Trying to look for a job You are trying to look good Ni ni And then along comes Sponsor What do you want What do you want We each have a reason With me Reason with me please So as it is Ya 4D If you have a sponsor You can ask me If you have a sponsor You can ask me Is that not Say it to come to please Say it to come to Because it can find you At a different situation If you have a client You want her Like Lillian Muli A ma Nani Or it could be Mami Daddy need help Nani me fikam Misha man say So you say Sawa basito Nani kazi How do we get ourselves out of that Or what's the solution there To be honest I've been in that situation before Where a A very old Baba Came to me Because you're beautiful Thank you And he was He was like How much How much do you want Not for me to be his girlfriend But when I travel Like whenever he's travelling Like for company and stuff And I was like Okay And I was like You don't even make sense How can you just pay me to keep your company There's just something You're not telling me But again The deal was too good I was not dating anyone But the deal was too good But again I was raised in In this mentality where A woman Is defined by her dignity And her dignity Plus God is watching So For me I said no I said no And trust me after After like two weeks I had a job Amen I had a job Okay like that story I did nicely And it was paying well But because of school I had to like I didn't want to balance So I had to stop But it was paying well So there's light at the end of the tunnel Some tunnels are longer than others But the light is still at the end What would you do in such a situation Now we imagine This is not for your benefit I want you to just sit and imagine If you get to a place Mali to mazi wana kwa You even now start calling ancestors Radha aki Natakaji na mimi Okay, nani is sick Umingine ako kwa Reserv pia na yana tkavitu Uwata uwata uwata Uwata uwata uwata Uwata uwata uwata Uwata uwata uwata Uwata uwata uwata Uwata uwata uwata Imagine if there were those things That people depended on us for Kuna mtu Aniza kosa kula uspotumado Nauna And there comes the sponsor Sponyo Kamzana skani ni Iyo gari na kani umba Iyo gari ni bitch If such happen It's tricky It feels because It's hard but it's very tempting Very tempting Let me tell you a story There was once I was studying I was on campus But I studied a bit Far away from home So kuna time Manzi ateu na skai Bukushnok tiga Mamizimu Tutei shiivi Nauna jo pia mini fasupon So kuna atu ni mamu Okay So I had a job At a restaurant Makaziangu ilikwa po Sort of like Major D Or a concierge or whatever So mtuana kaman Uza maswali ni ni wapi This guy was so fascinated I just got in my tattoo And then my melanin Also went and confused him The next thing I hear he's an important person Okay sawa But since un na pigapigakele Na mini ko job Na tkoutulie wacha tun Kupen namba story Sorishi Ayan Kampen namba Okay doko Anu kujapu ni pick Kusuji wapi They see it Still have the cover Cover New cast smell It's not ati for jokes New cast Kwa nangali umutu Mamama ngoizi jo Pa chika kani kaji yambe Izin matati zogani Sezi ni shimo Ni nishimo kubo Anu ni kingiapa Neza shnokutoka That is how I dealt with it Ni kani kaji yambe It's okay Tu se metu mungat Anu per mungine Sa size 2 yangu Yo size ni kubo san But how do you think You tell the situation Honestly, I love money It's okay It's because money buys you nice things Money is rich Yeah, it is Because it comes and asks you What can I do for you? What's the deal? Use me baby Again in detail To me, I do need money So for me, okay, I love money So if a sponsor approaches me Okay, I'll be in it Very sure But time raised I look at my mum She They broke up with my dad So, and ever since I am with her I am with Sezi She's never gone out with any other man Oh Are you sure? I am very sure I am very sure Because she works day and night Not sleeping Like she can sleep for 2 hours a day So like I look at her And obviously When that deal comes I reject it Because she's taught me that I must love myself first And I can work And earn And make myself look good Now what happens when these beautiful ladies As they have said They would rather work for themselves So if a sponsor approaches me I will be the head of the house Now you have both reached a place Where you can You can work for yourself You are bringing income But now you want to settle down But it's very hard to tell Someone who has grown up Being independent and headstrong Atulie Like Ningu Musa I think also the issue of sponsors And what what This thing is digging in with us Are you having a sponsor? No, I am not a sponsor We have no money We are more sponsors And then there is something This person is not a sponsor He will be there And support He is a leader People so many to grow He must have a certain lady Who will be pressurized And will be able to do this I have a wife but It's not serious So wife I think it's not serious If you want to go to a white party And you will be there The issue of wife And daughter in media First thing you must respect your partner If you respect and obey your partner Things will run smoothly Who is obey who? Both If you should respect and obey my girl I am not sure If you should respect and obey my girl Sometimes you have to go to a kefanya If you want to go to a white party Then you have to go to a white party So if you want to pay Then you have to pay But if you want to go to a temple This person is always honest This guy will respect you You have to like him too And you have to grow together To grow together What is the expectation If you want to pay If you want to pay Then you have to pay And I appreciate your opinion And I about to appreciate your opinion So I will let you pay Hi Val, I'm Ken Life out there was too harsh for me Kabady in Tofti another short cause I changed my way of working I'll pay with 1000 kwa If you pay for the money I will buy you and your mom Baby it's only so far you can hide Hi Val, I'm also called Val Hi I love the freedom it brings. Pasa wanome wa kunayo machu kuatu. Baby. Umuskewe siwada tukotu onja max. But you know, people forget. Those sponsors, whatever they are doing, kuna waifunyum banshi is crying because the husband is out there with someone else. We will stand up. One day utawalewen, your husband will do the same thing. You will cry the same thing when the other lady was crying. Tukas naul, sahiwe, tukotu galfren nbufren. Kuna professional, sayi di chikata kuja kuambe. Uuuu.. Kaya shirisecmi wicha, bufren. Uunona na ugopa. Waiwaf. Taku bobo mo wao-sa. Haki plis, I'm sorry, nga sumaraka. Plis Facebook at Wight 5.4. Wight 5.4, turn on Twitter hashtag isone. Monei, Cilium, husband, love, umo Mombasa. Oh my god, shu uxilun, hadi ya. Trevor James has placement from Westlands. And cousins, I thought I thought if you were open, you have the perfect me? Love stage, but ladies should answer the tapoo wan 2021 how are we going to brasoon how remember to use the hashtag if you would like to if you mean we have again travel james pliam houseborn how are you i'm liking your addendance guys good job money and money Thank you for waiting for us It seems our time has come Tweetisha patch 2 We are asking for a patch 2 To sign wa pi petition na ma I will see you shortly Thank you for being with us We have coloured your life I hope so Why to perform on Facebook Tomorrow is hip-hop Thursday Kuna kijana mungi na hansa Poo DJ anazafaya ni amkini wajwa I know right Ube mua na Hey Laki nusivi mbe kichwa daddy You look nice Alright remember to catch the repeat in case you missed