 Got going. Hey, I have a chimney sweep coming in 10 minutes. So we're gonna start early today Yeah, man, I mean what you just kind of need to like open the door, right and be like Yeah, I mean, you know with all all the singing and the children make sure you don't got a gremlin situation on your Yeah, right exactly as long as he doesn't get stuck or she doesn't get stuck, right? Okay, you guys ready? Yep. Here we go three two The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside Organizations if you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday December 21st 2017 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from San Francisco By the Bay, I'm Sarah Lane across the Bay in Oakland, although not that maybe in that Bay I don't know Justin Robert Young. I'm in Oakland. Hi. Hi also not in Oakland or San Francisco is Roger Chang our producer Yes, I'm in neither of those places Let's start today's show with a few tech things you should know Facebook and Universal music group have signed a multi-year deal to let users upload videos from Universal's library of recorded music and publishing catalog on Facebook Instagram Oculus and Universal says eventually messenger as well This means Facebook won't have to take down videos that you or I might post from Universal due to copyright infringement This partnership comes days after a Bloomberg report that YouTube had also signed an agreement with Universal music group and Sony music entertainment Facebook music service Music services are so 2016 Tom a version of the Firefox browser is now available on Amazon's fire TV The browser is able to access YouTube Google announced that it is removing its YouTube app from the fire TV on January 1st. Yeah, they'll work around and 3GPP the organization that oversees cellular standards has agreed on the spec for one part of 5G The non standalone 5G new radio part the completed specs will be published later in this week It's the part about machines so chip makers can start making equipment 3GPP will now move on to finalizing the standalone 5G spec. That's the part that defines user and control playing capability, which is providing the service Well, let's get into some top stories. What do you got to lead us off with Jerry? The communications workers of America filed a lawsuit Wednesday alleging US employers engaged in age discrimination with recruitment ads placed on Facebook T-Mobile Amazon and Cox communications are among the companies accused of targeting job ads to people younger than 38 Now normally these are kind of hard to prove But here's the rub Facebook is capable of targeting ads to its users based on age interest race and more Facebook is not a defendant in the suit and said it does not engage in age discrimination Amazon has said it corrected some ads. This is fascinating Yeah, I mean, it's definitely something Facebook can do. It's interesting that they're not going after Facebook for enabling it because that makes sense to me It's like just because the platform can does do it doesn't mean the advertiser should do it Let's go after the advertiser who did it and said I only want to show the job to the young people, please Well, hmm. Yeah, it's it's a bit of a gray area, right? Because yeah, of course, you're you know There's anybody who's been in any sort of hiring process knows that you can't discriminate You can't ask people how old they are or even questions that seem to lead a potential job Job applicant towards disclosing that sort of information. But yeah, Facebook is also a highly targeted ad service, right? So anybody who's posting any kind of job, you know, Facebook is is designed quite well really to be able to say Okay, well, what kind of people are you trying to target? And of course age group is a big part of that So what's the what's the solution here if the solution is don't target age groups when you're doing job ads because it's against the law It seems pretty clear cut to me actually It's if you go in and say I would like to keep this job ad targeted at people under 54 You're discriminating you're saying I really don't want older people to see this job ad and so what has to happen is Facebook has to Be like, okay, if this is a job ad This is a whole new form that you fill out and you're not allowed to say what age range you're looking for Right now Facebook doesn't have to do nothing It's everybody else who is using Facebook as a platform to not use the tools for which now Look the idea that these people were that these companies were looking for younger employees is really not all that shocking and there's For which you can do that you can signal to different age groups and make your jobs even more attractive to them however You just because you use like a famous celebrity to say that is appealing to a certain demographic Hey, you should come work at Taco Bell. That's not proving that you are Going after people under 38 in the way that Facebook's drop-down menu Trays your true intentions. Yeah, and good good on the CWA for going after the advertiser It is their responsibility not to target that way Cable companies want you to stop sharing logins with your deadbeat friends, you know who you are dead Charter CEO Tom Rutledge said it at a USB conference just a few days ago. There's a lot of extra streams There's lots of extra passwords. There's lots of people who could get free service You don't say Tom ESPN tells Bloomberg now It wants to better verify subscribers when there are large numbers of people streaming through the channels app It knows that some of these streams are you know using the same login the company now only allows five streams from its app Is reportedly considering dropping that number to three used to be ten Netflix already limits users to two simultaneous streams only unless they pay for an upgraded plan then they get four. So, yeah company like Netflix is Taking some steps towards this But also read Hastings Netflix CEO has said on record more than once we like it We're glad that people share Netflix long ends. We we consider that you know, basically free promotion for us Yeah, I mean the Netflix and HBO both have said similar things Where they understand that what we're selling you is two logins and if we start cracking down on them Then we're cracking down on customers. We're cracking down to the people who pay us and we're not really losing anything It's an imaginary thing. We're losing if you share them because people don't want to have to borrow logins They want to have things of their own if they can only borrow logins if they couldn't spend money on us anyway So this is crack. This is a great way to get them in the tent So when they finally make enough money to inform their own subscription and not have to beg and worry about oh the other two People are using the two accounts right now. They will that's why you limit it to two to simultaneous streams That's how you crack down on this going after people for behavior never works And I think the only reason you're seeing charter and Disney complain about it this way is because they're coming from a place of of Declining subscribers so they're scrambling for ways to keep subscriber numbers up whereas Netflix and HBO are doing much better Well, let me let me take that and turn it a little bit though Tom The what where the cable companies are coming from is a Commodities platform you can get the exact same channels from various different people for various different prices and What we have now in the over-the-top world is a lot of still land grab I think that there's a reason why HBO and Netflix want to do it because they are still converting new people who are not familiar with the Concept of I don't need a cable subscription. Here's what here's where I can watch all these shows that people are talking about What happens when? Over-the-top services become a little bit more Less of a land grab and more of a commoditized market. Well, I It's That's a different take and a different example of what I was getting that to which is when you're not worried We're not worried about how you're doing. You know, you're not as strict on these things and I think you're right I mean cable is a commoditized market and and sure they need to teach people to use TV everywhere So you could make the same argument like hey, you want people to log in so they learn that they could work online But that's not where they're they're not worried about that. That's not where they come from On December 14th Google security researcher Tavis Ormandy disclosed a vulnerability in the password manager Keeper that allowed any website to steal any password through Keeper's browser extension on December 15th Dan Gooden at ours Technica reported on the vulnerability and noted that Keeper was also bundled in some versions of Windows 10 Ormandy tested the bundled version and found a password stealing bug similar to one he had disclosed back in 2016 Keeper patched the browser extension bug on December 15th and Gooden updated a story to reflect that Keeper said on its own post that quote no customers were adversely affected by this potential vulnerability Keeper is now suing ours Technica and Dan Gooden personally is named in the suit for defamation Claiming he quote made false and misleading statements about the Keeper software application Suggesting that it had a 16-month-old bug that allowed sites to steal user passwords Well, this is a tough one right because Often articles are written and then there are corrections that are made and of course in this age of being able to update a blog post You know with just a few clicks. It's like that happens a lot You're supposed to obviously disclose. This is what may have changed since the last time you looked at this article or new information but the fact that Keeper didn't necessarily there was nobody at risk in the first place it seems like a dramatic way to go after ours if no one was You know, it's like if they could point to customers You know leaving in droves or something Maybe that would be one thing but that doesn't really sound like that's what's going on here. So Really really really digging back in my comm law but The way that I Understand how suits like these work what you need to prove is that there was Specific malice on the part of the writer and publisher actual malice. Yes, exactly and That can sometimes expand to Gross negligence like if if there is like you were So you can be so bad at your job Even if you didn't mean to intentionally do something you can be so bad at your job that you missed a million different Gigantic flashing warning signs and charged in and now damaged this person's reputation It looks like what is happening here is the suit is over How long the bug was there and maybe even the specific a way that the the the Software was pierced. So I don't know this is this is a tough one, but ultimately This is the kind of these are the kinds of suits that You know places, you know, who write about any and everything any kind of business Face on a fairly regular basis This is this is part of the back and forth of the ever Changing definition of free speech they all a keeper also contacted Ormandy because when Ormandy tested the bundled version He said that the the browser extension bug was in the desktop version for Windows The keeper says no, it wasn't it was in the browser extension And you could choose to skip installing the browser extension when you were installing the desktop version of keeper so therefore Customers weren't vulnerable with the desktop version and Ormandy's like if your default is That it gets installed and you have to take action to skip it Ormandy says I feel pretty good about the way I phrased it They did not go after Ormandy or Google Which could be because of depop it targets. Who knows they did go after Ars Technica and Ed Gooden's article You know the tone is very punitive It is it is very critical of keeper and I think the tone is probably what got their dander up more than anything It will be interesting I would be surprised if the court looks at this and says there is actual malice in talking about two different bugs one in 2016 and one that's current and and saying that You know and leaving it sort of as a conclusion that could be drawn that maybe this bug is better around longer than it has Amazon is ending support for the Amazon music storage service that let users a store its own their own mp3's online Use users can no longer upload tracks to the service and previously uploaded music will disappear on January 2019 so one year from a weekend change from now Unless it was purchased through Amazon, of course So so Tom this is something that was very exciting a few Years ago when when just that the music wars were kind of forming This was a a value add that all the very specific mp3's that you might have in your library Could now be stored in the cloud Amazon did it Google did it now? It doesn't seem like quite the proposition it once was yeah, man The reason I am a Google music subscriber I used to be I used to rely on Amazon music storage is because I have a bunch of weird mp3's and and like old 60s commercials and and stuff that isn't in catalogs It's not on Spotify It's stuff that Apple won't even let you upload to iTunes match because they're like we can't match that or that's too small Even if you can't match it sometimes iTunes will let you put it up there But the little tiny things the small bits Apple usually kicks out So and maybe Apple has changed that I haven't tried it in a couple years But I moved to Google music because they didn't have any restrictions on that and I could create the playlist that I wanted So if this is the trend now where they're like, you know what people just want music services They want Spotify. Let's get rid of these lockers because they're more trouble than they're worth That's that's disappointing for me And and it and it will be a bit of a gatekeeper because if I want to listen to those weird old tracks That are off CDs that I bought from a local band in the 90s, right? Those aren't gonna ever be on Spotify or anywhere else But you have you've moved this your storage to Google already, right? So well That Google will also yeah, it's the if Amazon is ending their storage Maybe that will be the next step when Google launches this new YouTube music service later this year to say Oh, and you know what? We're also getting rid of that that music storage aspect of our old service. I A few years ago, I remember Just sort of seen what what was in my Amazon music storage because I only had bought a few albums over the years via Amazon But those albums were there and it was not something that I ever used I do think that Amazon probably figures because it has a streaming option as well In fact every time I try to play a song via You know her name starts with an A Right, you know, Amazon's like don't know what you're talking about. Would you like to sign up for Amazon music? streaming music so so it Doesn't really surprise me. I have to assume fewer and fewer people are taking advantage of the service So it feels like not too many people are gonna be super upset about this But but yeah, Tom for for the folk, you know, it's easy for me to say everybody does streaming anyway Well, that's not the way that everybody uses music a lot of people Yeah, still have have physical stuff or still really like the idea of having music files downloaded and and locally and and within their control so Yeah, maybe just because I have my legal cap still on but I also wonder if it if it might be something that even not necessarily in a copyright sense but It's you know opening them up to a safe harbor of uploading whatever anybody wants to upload and and you know Who knows what that could be? It's not as big of a deal as it was back when they launched it though So I can't imagine that it's that although I could totally see that being in the room when they make in the argument Where the sys admins like I really would don't want to have to maintain those servers anymore That's a pain and the legal guy is like yeah I don't want to have to keep worrying that somebody is gonna come and object to something that's uploaded And we'll have to use safe harbor. That's a pain and eventually enough people like it's kind of a pain And we're not bringing in that much money from that aspect of it. Let's get rid of it. Yeah Researchers from German pen testing firm sys s report they have defeated Windows 10 facial recognition login called Windows Hello by using a photo taking with a near infrared camera according to sys s Windows 10 branches 1703 and 1709 That's the creators updates are not vulnerable if the enhanced anti-spoofing feature is turned on and the device has compatible hardware Yeah, so the trick here is you have to have the right camera To be able to turn on the anti-spoofing you have to go in and turn on the anti-spoofing and if you do that If you meet those first two Then you have to reset up Windows. Hello to make sure that you're not vulnerable To this this twist now now granted someone has to get an infrared near-infrared picture of you That's that's not something they're gonna pull off the internet one would think So don't go post in near-infrared pictures of yourself in the internet and and and don't you know If someone comes up and says can I take this near-infrared picture of you be suspicious? But it's not something that's likely gonna happen to a lot of people. Oh my god. I Just realized the greatest the greatest heist Thing right now across in fact, they're probably wrapping up now But over the past three weeks across Silicon Valley. What has been happening Christmas parties? Christmas Boots this entire city and the internet at large is now Vulnerable to this hack And all of their Windows. Hello devices are now vulnerable devices are suspect. Yeah All those people use Apple. That's that's their defense. Well, and they're all wearing like Rudolph noses The Christmas party so they still you know wasn't a perfect heist, but I see where you're going with that Justin Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com You can also get it on the Amazon Echo as a flash briefing on Google home and in the Alexa app But also as a good old podcast like I said at daily tech headlines Dot com go now listen and subscribe and that's a look at our top stories So Facebook announced Thursday It's gonna replace the red badges that mark links disputed by fact-checkers with related articles from validated sources So instead of you know disputed in big red It's just gonna have an article that actually gives you faxed Contradictory to the link being shared and then it'll have the label of the fact-checking Organization that is disputing the first link Facebook is responding to research that shows that those red badges tend to reinforce beliefs They make people get defensive and like by they're lying that red badge is lying Whereas alternative sources seem to be more effective at getting people to find the facts because they just see it as like Oh, but then this other story says this Facebook is also beginning a new investigation of how people judge Accuracy of news information in order to collect how people actually Respond to links and news and facts and fact-checking to make it more effective and Justin I know we've we've been going round and round about this and you've been very Elegant about the fact that this is not a great thing for Facebook to get into but I've been crying like use some research-based Methodology and now they are I got to give them points for this So for those of you who are just catching up on this conversation I have said repeatedly that both Google and Facebook are opening a Hashtag hell portal hashtag portal the hell when you try to get into Disputing and calling something true. You are you are becoming an arbiter for what can be factually accurate which opens up a The premise of the the article to begin with of like okay Well, maybe this this this the place where it goes is wrong But the general idea of what we are talking about is true on these levels or what about these other facts that are tangentially related Where I think they are taking one good step forward is saying look Here are and I hope that the the things that they are answering back with are as dry as possible something that has a few elements of Modernity or hype on them like I hope that they just have the world is flat And then just a picture of the globe or something right or just very dry Scientific data to show a curvature of the earth Because I think the one step back here is that they're not solving their real problem the real problem that that sprung up after the election which again kind of taints a lot of this in the minds of many is That there were out-and-out Click farms that were attracting people with just total made-up word salad About topics that were going on, you know, Hillary Clinton, Mary's George Soros both revealed as robots So people would click through and just get Google ads served to them like this This is a documented phenomenon. This is bad. This is illegal Nobody would really I think stand up for that. They should be going after these things As opposed to trying to be the arbiter of what is true and what is not on Facebook I just don't know whether or not that's a battle even with this step that they can ever win It's also, you know, I understand that Facebook's like ooh when we added that red badge saying something was disputed You know, there's a lot less engagement and that's bad for Facebook because Facebook wants people to be as engaged as possible However, no, I mean, you know, we all sit here as news gatherers Having to like cross-reference articles all day every day it is a lot of work at times and It's not just about like, okay, I read three articles and now I'm like super smart and I understand, you know there's there's there's weighing of the facts and trying to figure out where there's a Bias or a spin or something like that. I think it is asking a lot of somebody to be like, huh That article seems a little fishy Let me read these four other ones that Facebook has offered up as alternatives to me and then make an educated decision for myself That is just not the way a lot of people use Facebook not just Facebook, but the internet in general. So As much as I would like to say sure Let's put it back in the hands of the people and and and they'll just be smarter and and and and we'll all be better for it I think that that's a little optimistic Well, I just go back to what I said at the beginning, which is I'm glad they're actually seeing what happens with people that they're testing this and researching it And maybe that gets us a little closer to something that actually does work and and not only, you know Stops people and punishes people but actually informs people better and if and if they really do end up making something that works better I hope they share that academically So that other companies can do the same thing and and actually, you know That's how we get to our having an internet that actually works and gets passed a lot of these problems Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories of vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and Facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check the mailbag Sarah Let's do it. All right. We got an email from What's your name? Sorry, Linda Linda. Hey Linda Linda with a wife She says I have a story my spouse and I were recently on a Caribbean cruise our dinner partners were a couple They were from Canada the the man was big apple fan had an apple watch. He told us this is his wording The apple watch told me I was having a heart attack one night Roughly in the middle of the night. He said I didn't really feel that bad. He was a little weak But you know, he didn't seem like he needed to like go nuts But he felt like all right, I'll I'll go to the emergency room and just make sure everything's fine Turns out the watch was right. Doctors told him he'd done the right thing He had had a minor heart attack and they did their thing and then he was okay We never got into exactly what the watch did but Linda's guess is It was the feature that tells you if your heart rate is somehow increasing When you're basically inactive and it shouldn't be increasing or way more than you know What might happen if you were asleep and having a nightmare or something like that Linda says I get that this feature won't appeal to the 20 year old But this guy wasn't that old maybe 40 maybe 50 a little overweight, but not totally seemed okay So for some folks that kind of feature going to be really important Yeah, that's an incredible story that that that actually happened that way And that he paid attention to it, right? I mean the first thing I thought when I read this was like I wouldn't be wearing my apple watch at night. Well, I'm asleep. I'd have that thing on the charger Yeah, you know, it's funny because my my wife now wears it to sleep because she's using a like sleep monitor app To like try to help her get better sleep and monitor Although for her it just it's more paranoia of that. She you know It's not gonna have a good day because she didn't get a good night's sleep And now she has a meter to tell her so we're getting off track. Uh, I do that. That's that's called sleep app Nia Actually, you know, if they could develop that for people sleep apnea like me, I would be super awesome I do think that this is where where wearables are I mean Going to become more and more of a part of people's lives because he's right Look, if if all of a sudden wearables were something that we're super super hip for the largest swath of People 45 plus we would probably hear more stories like this more often Uh, as opposed to early adopters being a little younger. Yeah, I think the only real downside of something like this Well, besides the fact that a lot of people don't want to wear Oh a band or watch band at night. So, you know, you'd have to get over that but you know People swarming emergency rooms in the middle of the night saying i'm having a heart attack when it's like Nah, you're just stressed about your job and it'd be tomorrow, you know get out of here You're fine. You're you know wasting our time but One would think especially when you're talking about something as major as heart issues That uh, it's better to be safe than sorry if if if I was at all worried about Anything a watch might be able to tell me in the middle of the night. I would wear it. I would just deal with it Yeah, makes people want to figure out a different way to charge it, you know Yeah, so I can have it on all the time It reminds me I haven't done a little like sleep thing in a while Maybe I should pull out one of those apps again. I have like four of them on my phone Yeah, let us know how it goes. Right. Thank you pretty much my cats wake me up every 20 minutes. That's what all the No matter what happens. It's like you don't sleep very well, and it's there which is called sleep catnia. That's right. Yes Oh god stinker. Come on. It's almost the holidays. We're gonna have our fun where we can somebody's got senioritis Speaking of fun and senioritis. Justin robert young. Thanks for being with us today Well, thank you very very much. Sarah. Uh, it is a joy To be with you guys as always and I think I think I got one one more episode before Or no, I think I think the next man next year. We'll see you next year And everybody will hear the most accurate prediction show in history. It's true Let me just tell you bitcoin is down below 16 000 today and i'm cheering for it to fall It's a real good prediction show everybody. 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See because sometimes it's like I wish I could do both but i'm just like I just focus on the rundown and so it's like Yeah, no, I was walking and you could be gone and I don't know Yeah, I always focus on the run. I saw you leave so I muted myself just in case Oh, yeah, no, I saw tom ditch out. So I just made sure to to be an extra of voluminous gas bag Great. That's good. Oh, no, it worked out perfectly. That was awesome. Yeah, I sure did So, uh, what should we call this? Cool show cool show bra My hackers keeper Keeper your nose out of out of our business like my trapper keeper my hacker keeper I used to have one of those ours madey prepared me soon Storage to steerage lost mp3's in the amazon Uh sleep apnea apnea It's no laugh and matter uh facebook's links to trustworthy sources. Is that a fact? Made up word salad literal night attack facebook news not always fair and balanced Having a heart attack. Oh, you're having a heart attack call 9-1-1. Okay. Remind me later That's heart monitoring nothing to lose sleep over Uh better living through punishment facebook plays capture the flag Uh, then another apnea variation reveal the zero, but Oh biocasts like my hacker's keeper is like my brother's keeper, which that makes a lot more sense It wasn't a trapper keeper reference No, I just hear trapper keeper references where I want them not where they're made That was one of the worst binders I've ever had Oh, I loved the trapper keeper. I don't remember it being bad. It was a little awkward sometimes It was just bigger and wider than a normal binder And so it would not fit in my bag without getting the edges smushed or like bent in But you oh wait, are we talking about the same the one where it was like Plastic and that had to go Yeah, I loved those because you you know, you'd buy the theme that you wanted you like that Super expensive trapper folder keeper folders. I go in it So I just need some that you know just need my regular binder and a bunch of they were 59 cents instead of 29 cents But yeah, I don't yeah, I don't remember Hey, you know back then a dollar went a lot farther. You're right. That's true. Yeah any bars back then were 25 cents Did we make any progress toward a title? Uh Ours made it to spare to be sued storage to steerage Thomas word mp3's facebook prefers alternative sources to alternative facts I didn't see that one Keeper justin. Yeah What do you like? I I don't know Facebook links to trustworthy sources. Is that a fact? Well, that's good. Kind of long though, huh? Is it too long? Facebook links to trustworthy sources. Is that a fact? What about just uh, don't sue us Wait the wet Just a general plea did not sue us Let's sue Very please don't sue Uh, may I'm having a hard time getting the show about to load dts.showbot.tv Oh, no just showbot.tv. Oh, it's still on the main main page. I guess that's not loading either. No Um, she's got a job out. Oh, no Yeah, nothing's nothing loading for me What? Um, all right Lost mp3's in the amazon My hacker's keeper. I like lost mp3's in the amazon. That's good. That's good. I like that one All right Make it so because it kind of sounds like a snake Snake deep in the amazon. It'll be uh our jumanji cross promotion That better be a good movie. I really enjoyed it I recommend jumanji. It's not a great story But the action the actors really carry it and they do it's a fun. Basically. It just has to be fun Yeah, it was fun for I thought it was really fun. Where are you on the the the review that it's a really Really good fun video game well I I Come on. It's not a real video game Well, yeah, but no, but no, so so they had the freedom This is the problem of making video games into movies is oh, I I'm trying to honor this the original video game So I end up doing weird things in jumanji. They could just do whatever they want So yeah, whenever it made sense for them to fit in a game reference They invented a game reference and it works a lot better that way I guess I guess more what I was going for is is the idea that it explores and celebrates what makes games fun It definitely does for my generation because it's you know, it's an old game Like like the original was an old board game. Yeah, and and I think they did a pretty good job of that Yeah, I'll I'll say yes to that for sure Uh because yeah, I think it was like being mentioned in the same uh What was the what was the tom cruise emily blunt? Like a groundhog day movie. Oh lived I repeat. What was it? Um, I was like the actual name Yeah, I remember it was like a future war movie. Yeah, basically maybe uh event or not event horizon What I don't even know what you guys talking about. No, there was a sci-fi movie where Tom cruise basically relives edge of tomorrow. Thank you. Dr. D tomorrow. Yeah Uh, so like that's a movie where so the idea is sarah that whenever tom cruise dies He wakes up Back at like uh, this moment in time, right? It's groundhog day So it is groundhog day, but it's a science fiction war thing and basically the more he Uh, uh keeps going through like he eventually Toilet alert the good guy wins Uh, he realizes the folly of all these things and the movie's really really well done because there's some unreliable narrator stuff there, but uh It a lot of people are saying oh, this is a great video game movie despite the fact that it's not based on a video game because It tells a story of what our perspective is playing a game Which is we remember every time the character dies and so now we are piloting It's you almost feel like you're trying to solve the puzzle along with him In that respect edge of tomorrow is a much better video game movie than jumanji Manji is just like the fun parts of it and and and there's a there's you know The fact that you only have three lives the classic three lives plays into it in a clever way. I think Yeah, I think I think I don't think that they're the same movie per se, but just definitely not. Yeah four of a movie about Basically video game movies up till now have taken What I find to be oftentimes Overwritten melodramatic elements of games that people like and expanded them Into feature length films written by people that probably didn't play the games Or or have much love for them Uh, whereas these kinds of movies are about Video game experiences Probably by people who have played and loved video games You have now convinced me that it's a good video game movie. I get it now I'm I'm pumped to see it. I probably see last jedi again before that Well, we also gotta see I haven't even seen it the first time. I can't see the Well, I'll tell you what the good news is everybody agrees I liked greatest showman too, which apparently the critics all hate You know, how do you see so many movies? Eileen gets, uh, invited to the previews But but but still it's the time that it takes to see them. Yeah, it's cool to get You know, it's doesn't have kids the time that I spend hanging out And I was gonna say either just sir Uh, the time that I would spend hanging out with Eileen at home is just spent at the theater in those cases Ah, they've replaced myrtle, uh Uh, well what we do at home is watch tv and movies. That's our I will say when I went and saw star wars the other night It was in this theater in la that has like super reclining seats Yeah, super reclining like that's like Sort of silly. Yeah, you just want to bring your favorite blanky But um, but comfortable and it was like it was it was star wars So everybody was like more hyped than it would be in just some average movie But it was really fun and I was like It's so fun because I really don't get to the theater very much anymore because yeah, I watch everything on Netflix or you know I saw blade runner at one of those theaters in la actually and uh, it was a midnight show and boy Howdy were they so comfortable? I almost fell asleep Yeah, I was I I'm usually worried about that where it's like I almost want to be too cold and slightly uncomfortable So I don't fall asleep during the movie or just keep eating popcorn, you know, but um I've I've done I I've fallen asleep at a movie and Oh, I thought it was ice ice ice snore Um, I thought it was cool in furden and so I wouldn't recommend go seeing that To jesus tom We went on a tear the pat it like two weeks ago Eileen's like I've got this one with a plus one this one with a plus one this one with a plus one I mean like like how do you I don't want to sleep briefly during the martian and I loved that movie Uh, I don't even know what I missed pertinent is the animated john sena is a bull movie But uh, uh, uh, tom went to go see Now all the money in the world is amazing. I highly recommend checking that out I haven't seen pitch perfect three How do you get to go see that one? I lean didn't get a plus one for that one Oh, I know one you didn't see that i'm gonna see before you what's that I got uh, I got I got I got I got circling around The with the cool kids disaster artist. I didn't see that one. No, it's unreleased. In fact, it might never Oh Because oh, I love you daddy. Yeah, I saw that Yeah, apparently it's going around la that that same dropbox link is oh really I did not get it that way I got it from somebody who has like they get screeners like a screener gobby. Yeah, and it's it's I don't I don't love that. I saw the shape of water on the screener copy and I loved the movie But I would have rather seen it in the theater Screeners are always just a touch less Yeah Because I mean it's a screener and then you get I mean depend depend because I've gotten a several like in my In my career and they always have that text scroll at the bottom That I've gotten that it's a screener. No copies. Do you like Sarah? What was what was your I love you daddy review? My review. Yeah Well, um, how do I do this? Uh, I would say the movie was Incredibly disturbing uh On several levels not like I like I don't know. Why do I say it felt like a Woody Allen homage to me Which I think it is which is problematic, right to a lot of people on its own But the movie itself is just odd Um I didn't like I watched the whole thing. I was like pretty interested I I thought it was a disturbing movie and I also kind of liked it That's where I kind of feel like I'm going to land because It was a challenging premise before the auteur of the movie had his entire career explode over Like we're gonna have to like that's going to be on your mind through the whole movie anyway Even though he's playing a character for those of you who are unaware of the premise of this film It's a Woody Allen homage so it is it is shot in black and white So it has this very Manhattan-y Kind of feel to it with a Woody Allen analog not rare for Woody Allen movies who oftentimes either played A version of himself or has people that play neurotic nebish people Uh, however the Woody Allen analog in this one is a famous director who wants the data 16 year old Ah Right, that's the thing is like it's everything is so like in your face that you're like I don't get it like I don't get how this happens And why I'm watching it but There's some like good performances So I didn't know that screeners were going out about it That's crazy. I'm sure that's why it's all over the place now. Yeah, that's how I yeah. Yeah, uh, well So, I don't know. I feel like what whatever I say is just gonna go down to a hole. I don't want to do so Well with that Yeah, how about that? Let's wrap this up. Thanks everybody for watching Uh, appreciate it. We've got the full round table show tomorrow. I'm looking forward to that It's gonna be a blast amber mac Annie gauss actually a skedda Sarah rogerby Uh, just a rubber young happy new year, man Oh, yeah, hey, you want to know what happy new year to all you guys Thank you. You're allowing me to be a part of this show Others are those is that your final words? Yeah, also I was right See you guys right