 Let's talk one-on-one, one-on-one. Here we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit. It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official. Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nah, nah, I'ma dare walk on. Hey, man, it's good to be back in the place to be, right? Yeah, sir. Hey, man, we got a very, very special guest today, man. This guy right here, man, hey, man, his name came up and I had to try to find him. My guy, Steve, below, is in the building. What's going on, man? Oh, man, I'm here, man. Say, man, thank you for coming on the show today, man. Yeah, thanks for having me, man. Man, so just to... You from Dallas? Yeah, yeah. Dallas originally? Yeah, I was born in Shreveport. What? Yeah. Cooper Road? You don't know where you're from, Shreveport. And I was born in LSU Hospital, though. Okay, okay. Yeah, because both of my parents are from a town called Naggadish. I know what Naggadish is. That's like 45 minutes out of Shreveport. Yeah, exactly. You ever go back down there? Oh, yeah. That's what most of my relatives are, you know, my immediate relatives. Really? Naggadish, like my grandmother, auntie. Really? That food good down there? Oh, yeah, absolutely, man. Man. So, you was born in Shreveport. How old was you when you came up to Dallas? I was an infant. You was an infant? Yeah. Basically, my parents were both here in Dallas. And then, you know, my mom was pregnant with me. Then she went to Naggadish to stay with my grandmother while she was pregnant with me. And then she had me in Shreveport. And then my dad came to Louisiana and got both of us and brought us back to Dallas. Wow. So I was in all the schools here, elementary. What part of Dallas did you go to first? Pleasant Grove, man. To the Grove. Really? Right up the street. Yeah. Wow. Pleasant Grove, man. Where'd you go to, was it Bryan Adams? Was it Samuel? Where'd you go to high school? When W.W. Samuel, man. There it is. W.W. Samuel from 9th grade to 10th grade. And then I went to Lakeview Centennial, my 11th grade year, and then came back to Samuel, my senior year, and finished out at Samuel. But as far as junior high, I went to Florence, Fred L. Florence. Yeah. It's called something else now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But why didn't you just stay at Samuel the whole time? No, no. He talked about his elementary. He went to the smaller school. Oh, okay. He didn't go to Spruce. He didn't go over there. But I think she was saying like... Because you said your 11th grade, right? Yeah. You left a little bit in high school. Oh, yeah. You did say that. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm on the back of... I wanted to just see something different. So I went to Lakeview Centennial. Had a cousin living out there. I just wanted to switch schools. That's the way I went in and enrolled myself. I started going to Lakeview. My dad was like, you know, I came back. You know, first week of school. He said, hey, how's school going? How you liking Samuel this year? I'm sorry. I'm not going to Samuel this year. Hey, I like that. I didn't know you can do that as a child. You probably can't do it anymore. Yeah. We're talking back in the 80s. Yeah. So I went to Lover. I moved from East Texas to West Texas. Okay. I went just for a semester in West Texas. So I get it. Like, you be wanting to know what else is going on out there. Yeah. Like, when you're young, if you're an explorer, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how I was. As soon as I got my license, man, I was all over the city. I would just... I would get on 635 and just circle the city. That's the way I learned it. Are you the youngest or oldest? Or are you the... I got one younger sister. Okay. Okay. So a lot of times she wanted to tag along. Nah. How much younger is she? She's like nine years younger than me. Okay. That's just like me and my brothers. I'm 10 and 12 years younger than there. So I always felt like an only child. Oh, yeah. Because he was gone. They were both gone. So I was just like... Yeah. Wow. Well, I tell you, man, the thing that I can say about Dallas, Texas, man, is it's the place to be. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody want to move here. Everybody frequently says, you know what? Let me move to Dallas. California people love Texas. I love that. Everybody want to be here. The economy is great. If you from up there, because they pay a dime for bags. I found that out the hard way I went up there. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, you know what they pay for in a house. Oh, that's what I'm saying. I'm just... I grew up to. It's like a little shackside compared to here. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So where did the name below come from? That's not your legal name, is it? It is. That's not. It's my last name. B-L-O-W. B-L-O-W. How many people spoil your name and say below? How many people what? Spoil your name like say below instead of below. You know what? A lot of people... Most people, when they first pronounce it, it's below. And then a lot of people say below. And then a lot of people ask me, well, how do you pronounce it? I'm like, look, just as long as it's spelled right on my check, I don't care how you say it. You know what I'm saying? Because I've never heard that name before. So when I saw that name, I'm like, that must be his... He did that name. That's your name that you put on for stage name or something like that. I didn't expect that to be your real name. Yeah. Yeah. That's my real name. That's a pretty cool name. Where did it originate from? Do you know? Louisiana. Really? Yeah. I think at one point it was originally B-E-L-L-O, which would probably be pronounced as Bello or something like that in French because my dad's Creole heritage. All his people are from France. He's immediate. Well, his great-grandmother and grandfather was from France. So there's a lot of that French going on. And then somehow down the line, it got changed. I want to say almost everybody's names. Because I did a family tree the other day, creating it. And you'd be surprised how many people, the parents, the great-grandparents, somebody spelled the name incorrectly and they just didn't go and fix it. So all of a sudden now you have a totally different name that's spelled, pronounced the same way but it's spelled differently. Right. I'm like, why won't you go and make sure it's properly spelled? You know what I mean? Because when you're tracing back your heritage, you need to have that proper spelling because just like your name, you said if it was spelled B-E-L-L-O and you're going back to search back in France and so forth, it's hard to really know for sure is that what it was. You know what I mean? Absolutely. So when you think about Dallas and some of the things that didn't happen here, I always ask all these questions, you know, as far as the music and the way the scene of Dallas feels. What do you think? How do you feel about it? Where things are today? Where they are today? I think Dallas is at its highest level of potential more than it's ever been ever before. Wow. And I think it's like that because of the internet and how communication is so much more possible now. You know, I think back when I was coming up in the music game, all we really had is, you know, the phone. And this city is so spread out. You know what I'm saying? So if you don't have a car or something like that, it's just so hard to network, you know what I'm saying? And I think now with the internet and things like Instagram and all of these social media sites, you know, people from Dallas can see what other people from Dallas are doing and they can get in touch with each other, you know, and start collaborating, you know, just like you and I. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, he's Elio. Shout out to Elio. Yeah, I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I mess with him. He's about to come back on the show too. He's on his YouTube thing. He running. He out there trying to get it going. He said, I'm doing this YouTube. Let's do it. But y'all see what each other is doing, right? So he knows he can reach out to you and vice versa. And then, you know, when you were looking for me, he knew where to find me. Exactly. You know, it's just the communications. Yeah, the networking possibilities are so much more broader now. Than what it used to be. Than what it used to be. Wow. I think the music is, I'm loving it. You know what I'm saying? You're loving the music. I'm loving to see cats like Yellow Beezy and, you know, all of these other cats, you know, come up and really go out here and get deals. You know, I was a fan of Mode 3, you know, God rest his soul, you know what I'm saying? I really, I really hate to see how things went down, but, you know, that's over. That's over my head. You know what I'm saying? But I really would have loved to be able to see, you know, them come together and do some stuff. And really take this city over the top, you know? I mean, you know, we're going to advance eventually, but, you know, man, we was right there. We still, I think we're going to come right back because there's another kid out there somewhere right now that's very talented. I don't know who he is, but it's always, you know, time changes things. You know that. And when he pops up, it's going to, the red carpet is laid out for him because of the way that have been paved thus far. What you're saying? With it being at the scale that it is now, if a guy got some talent and he stepped into that, and I've seen some of these youngsters come through here. It's just a matter of time before one of them click. And when it does, it's going to be on because at the end of the day, the work has already been put in place. What do you think? Absolutely. That's pretty good, right? Oh, yeah. I think, you know, people put that work in. Go ahead, babe. I have a question. In the many years you've been in the music industry, have you ever seen, when you're talking about music industry and yellow beads and so forth? You know, you always have the beefs in between, you know, artists and so forth. Have there ever been a time where they say, you know what, let's just come together and show unity. You know what I mean? Let's end this, just to show that they're bigger to have an influence on the people who are watching. Has any artist ever done that, ever, that you can recall? You mean like from Dallas or just in general? No, just from in general. Because just like you have your two-pocket biggie, you know, that never squashed. You know, you have all of the different artists that always had, you know, beef. I would say, if I had to say, you want him to say or me? Both? Yeah. I think Nas and Jay-Z, they try to do it. That's a great example. But it was after everything had already been, it was a later on. I think Gucci and GZ, GZ had a hard to do it, but it was, when you got bodies in the situation that we got loved ones have lost their lives, man, and you come in and you do a versus like they did, it's hard to put something together like that because there's so much tension. If you try to set me up, and my life was on the line, then I don't know how receptive I would be to coming back together after so many years. Yeah. It would be hard to get over something like that. You know? I understand. You've seen it, right? You've seen the versus. I mean, you know, you're sitting down or whatever Gucci situation was, you know what I'm saying? And you're sitting down and these guys come in and your life is on the line now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And you just blessed enough to make it up out of there. Man, it was close. Yeah, you don't know how that's going to affect, but you don't know what kind of effect that had on him. Well, you know it had. It had a big effect on it. Yeah. Think about it. Look at his whole career. Yeah. You don't realize that when that happened, he was gone for like a year out of the music. Right. He didn't cut. He wasn't doing on me. I remember that. Yeah. He was hot right then when that song came on. But then after that, he had to fight for his life. Yeah. So it had to pull it back from his career. Now, look at what happens after that. From altercation after altercation, ice cream, tattoo on his face, people, you know, people going in on him, but he still had good work ethic on the trip. They were saying he was crazy. I remember all this when he's super talented. This dude's super talented. Work horse. His work ethic can be denied. Yeah. And you know, that is just, you can't put something like that back together. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's hard then you say, I want to put them together. I don't know who made that call. Think about that for a minute. Hey, man, I want you all to do it versus you. It had to be some money involved or something that seemed like a lot of tension. That's what overcomes a lot of things is the money. If it's enough money, they both will do it, which they did. I'm glad that in the end, they ultimately were able to be in the same space and at least hash it out. You know what I'm saying? Although, you know, it went the way it went, you know, still at the end of the day, it ended peacefully. And I think, you know, there was at least some kind of dialogue. You know, that was started in, you know, both of them went their separate ways and was able to, you know, to move on. But I think it was good for the culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really do. I wish more people would do that because it set an example if you can be the bigger person. I know that your life is at risk and it's hard to trust people because you have to always wonder, are they doing it to set me up like what y'all were talking about? But then it's a bigger picture. Life is bigger than just us. Yeah. It's who you impact. You know what I mean? That's why when we started this and I've met so many musicians before this, I didn't realize how powerful these mics are and how powerful, because I'm not one of these people that listen to music and go out here and do whatever they're saying, but you do have a lot of people who do. You know what I mean? That's the thing. It's like, not to interrupt you, but you know, you made me think about something. It's like, how do we show these kids and sometimes even these adults that this is entertainment. So you take your kid that's not raising that kind of environment and then he listens to the music and this whole thing about how music doesn't influence people's behavior, I think that's the biggest joke ever. It does. It has some kind of influence one way. It just, who's strong enough to look at music and the words in the music and be like, that's just entertainment. I know that I'm not supposed to go out there and do that. Take a middle-class kid that's brought up in a situation where he don't have to go out and sell dope, you know what I'm saying? But he looks at this lifestyle and his music and it becomes attractive to him. You know what I'm saying? And he goes out and does some of the things, not because that's what he could possibly... He could afford it and everything like that. But he really not even cut from that cloth, but he wants people to view him in a certain light. You know what I'm saying? He wants to be like the rappers. You know what I'm saying? And he goes out and he commits whatever crimes or does whatever he hears in the music and he sees on TV. He wasn't strong enough for nobody was there to tell him that's just entertainment. If you go down that road, there's likely going to be some consequences. And not explaining to him, hey, a lot of people that take that role, either they were brought up in it or they just felt like they really didn't have a choice. You have a choice. So some of the people that you've worked with, some of the bigger names that you've seen, have you ever seen anyone come up to these people and said, man, you've changed my life through your music? Yeah. I've never heard anybody say that to them per se, but you can just kind of tell people approaching. Their energy, right? Yeah. Like who? For one, Pimp C. You know what I'm saying? Just the love that I saw him get from people when he was out and about. It was just always, when people saw him, it was just like they were glad to see him. It just kind of felt like you could just see it in their eyes. They really didn't look at him as a celebrity. Even people that didn't know him like strangers, they didn't look at him as a celebrity. They would say, hey, what's up, Pimp? They speak to him like that. I really never saw people that was like starstruck because he had that ability, both of them, him and Bun, they had that ability to be the rap stars that they are, but kind of be on that level, that down the earth level, to the point to where you feel like you can approach them that way. You know what I'm saying? Super dope dudes, man. Like I said, I met Bun. I didn't get to meet him, but I met Bun, me and my wife and my kids. All four of my kids was with me in Vegas. He stopped. I was like, my daughter wanted to take a picture with him. She was like, dad, I'm going to take a picture with him. She was excited. He was like, hold on, hold on. He just pretty much took a picture with all the kids, all four of my kids. I got pictures with all four of them. One at a time, I think. It was one at a time. But anyway, I was like, man, I appreciate the love and respect. And I say, you dope. You're the only one here that got your whole family with you. He's seen that in the midst of what I was doing. I was trying to show them business, really. I wanted them to see the business side of what we do. You remember that day, right? And it was just a dope time. But definitely, man, I always looked up to those guys for what they brought to Texas, for the South. Them guys are patriarchs, you know. The way I found you is I heard this right here. That's what I heard. Yeah. That's how I found you right there. Yeah. It's not fun. So is he right? Did you stop because it wasn't fun no more? I mean, you just said I wouldn't go deal with it no more after Pimp C.L. Man, it was a combination of a lot of things because I had, you know, after Pimp died I was still heavy in the music and still wanted to do it. But it really wasn't fun anymore. And I didn't realize that it wasn't fun anymore until a little while after he was gone. You know what I'm saying? Because Bun and I did manage to put together some other great producers and artists and things like that after Pimp was gone. But after we did that and I wasn't working on anything much after that. And then it just you know, I was getting a little older. You know what I'm saying? And my taste in music was changing. So I really wasn't hearing anything that inspired me because I feel like if you're going to work on a particular type of music, you have to be a fan of it as well. So when you hear things, you know, okay, I'm loving it. I just wasn't hearing anything that I was loving anymore. My taste in music was changing. My priorities and my life was changing. So it just you know, and then on top of that, you know, not working with Pimp. Yeah. And it just kind of it wasn't like I just set up one day and just say, you know what? I'm just not going to do this anymore. One day not working on music turned into two. Two days turned into three. And you didn't miss it. That's the main thing. Yeah, that's what it was. I really wasn't missing it. When you working on the music, don't get me wrong. I love working on music but it's a very taxing activity. Many long hours. A lot of long hours. A lot of long hours and a lot of a lot of it's a after a while it becomes a mental strain. Wow. And do you have family like wife, kids? No. Because I was trying to see, you know, because you need time for that. Right. So I was trying to see how much time you had. Now one thing I was trying to do was get myself in a position so I could, you know, maybe get myself a family. Okay. So to be real, I mean that music thing, it don't always pay the bills. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, well, you know. And that's crazy you said that because a lot of people make you feel like music industry, oh, you getting paid. No, I think that's a persona they have to portray because you fake it until you make it and you want people to look up to you because I've taken a different outlook on that now that I've began to venture into all my interviews and I feel like if a person put their money up you fool all these young kids who are looking up to want to do that. Yeah, but that's their hustle too. So they're putting money up for their brand and they're enjoying it when they're doing it. Yeah. So I can't say that they're not bosses because when you put the money up, you're a boss. Yeah. And now you say, well, that's not real. They don't really have it like that. Yeah, but they done it. Yeah. So I can't disrespect it. Yeah. No, I mean, it's they invested. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of them, you know, a lot of them have money already and a lot of them have people with money behind them so they can they can keep up that lifestyle. And then, you know, you got some people that feel like if they can't do music, then they just can't do nothing else. Nothing else. And I ain't never been like that. You know what I'm saying? It's like I pretty much do my whole music career. I pretty much held down a nine to five at one point or another. There were times when, you know, I say you receive some nice little music checks and I was like, okay, well, I can do this for a time. But you living off that money, you know what I'm saying? And then when they start getting low, like, well, now what am I going to do now? I ain't getting no big checks no more. So it's like go give me a job. You know what I'm saying? Go nine to five it out and, you know, just keep working on music, keep pressing on. You know, I get it. With all the years that you've been in the music industry, do you ever try to give back to someone who is upcoming? Try to teach them things that you want. I've had a lot of people that, you know, that have met me and they've had kids or cousins or relatives that want to get into business. And I tell them, you know, whether it's teaching them how to work the equipment or, you know, giving them whatever knowledge I do have of the music or the business side, you know, I give that to them too because I know how it is to dream. I ain't never going to tell nobody not to, you know, not to go chase their dreams. I ain't I'm never going to tell a kid that I'm never going to tell anybody that, you know what I'm saying? Because I know what that hunger feels like. I know what it's like to dream about something and want to go get it, you know, and, you know, I just I don't I don't feel like it's my right to tell them that, you know, it's just a dream because it's possible. It's possible for everybody and it's not going to turn out the same way that it turns out for everybody. I mean, look at all of the football players that are talented enough to go to the NFL but just don't make it because you can only put so many people on a team. You know, I'm pretty sure there's so many cats out there that never made it to the NFL that's way more talented than some of the guys in the NFL but just don't make it because the odds just didn't work in their favor with whatever reason that is, you know what I'm saying? I agree. Yeah, so that was something that, you know, I kind of had to realize about the music business and like, you know what, if if music don't work out for me it ain't the end of my life because I believe in God and I know he going to have me either way it go. Wherever I end up is where he led me. So I just, I let him lead me. Hey, man. Hey, man, so let's get into it, man. So switches and dojo, like, like did you help him help with that whole Underground Kings project the whole thing? No, I don't I don't work like on two songs. Two songs? Which songs was it? It was switches and dojo and like that remix. Like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was, you know, you like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a version that little John did and then the other version is one that I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So how did you how did you end up in the situation even dealing with UGK? Well, I met them through mail from Trill Entertainment. Okay. Yeah. Two cast that was over Trill Entertainment, which was a mail and another cat named Turk. Okay. And I knew mail first a partner of mine named Kurt B. Shout out to my boy Kurt B. He introduced me to mail and mail at the time was they're from Baton Rouge. Yeah, Baton Rouge. That's when he dealt with Boosie. Right. Right. That was that during that time period that that's how I know they linked. Yeah. So you met him. How did you meet those guys? I met them through Kurt because Kurt was another friend of mine because I went to Southern University. Okay. In Baton Rouge. Got it. And I met a partner of mine. His name was Kurt B. And he's just he's one of those type of cast man that can just talk to anybody. Yeah. You know, he, you know, he knows damn near everybody in Baton Rouge and he, you know, he he knew that I did music, you know what I'm saying? He was one of my biggest supporters, you know, while I was down there in Baton Rouge, you know what I'm saying? Me and him became real cool. As a matter of fact, I'm his daughter's godfather, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But anyway, he introduced me to mail because mail at the time was just starting up in the music business and he had another artist named Smitty, Smitty the Pimp. Okay. Back then. And he was looking for somebody to do music. So that's how we got connected. And then as time went on mail started dealing with Boosie. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And then I did, I did some music for Boosie. And then I came back to Dallas and then When did that you did the music for Boosie? Oh, that was back in when he first started out. No, he had already did the album with C-Loke. Okay. He did that album already. He was in that transition from leaving that situation and then going into a situation with mail. Okay. And that's when I came in and I want to say, oh man, my memories just terrible. I want to say I've had to be about 98, 99 or something like that. Okay, okay. Whenever he was transitioning into that situation from C-Loke to mail, that's when I came in and I worked on some of the earlier stuff he did with Trill Entertainment and then I came back to Dallas for a little while. And then while I was in Dallas, that's when mail and got with Turk and then they started they basically started Trill Entertainment and then they got with they got with Mouse. They found Mouse down there. He's in bad religion. He ended up making some really, really big songs for him. So that's kind of, you know, he kind of got in that position right there. You know, and then but I went all off on another thing. Are you going to get back to it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's how I met Pimp. Was through mail. Because mail and Pimp was tight. You know what I'm saying? Because I think mail had stayed out in Houston for a while and then I think they met some kind of way him and Pimp and then they became tight. And they started talking about starting Trill Entertainment together. How was that meeting? How was it meeting Pimp? Just he was just a cool person like he was when he met other people, right? I was thinking about that the other day. It was funny because I was like, man, I remember the day I met Pimp and Bun. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. At the time, mail had this house, you know, where it was doing all the music at. It was really just like a house where everybody kind of hung out at. You know, I used to go over there. My equipment and stuff set up over there and I was just making beats all day. He just, he had these big old 15 and Seren Vegas that I used to love. My love of Seren Vegas. With the orange, wasn't that all? Oh yeah, he had that orange rim on. Who it was? He told me Pimp and Bun was coming over one day. And I just remember being in that room all day. I'm like, it's gonna have to make me something hard. I got to have it. When they come in there, they're gonna hear it. They're gonna have to mess around with it. You know what I'm saying? They're not walking about here without no music. That's just all I just had my mind made up. So I worked on some beats all day and I came up with some really hot stuff. Yeah, some bangers, man. So they finally showed up because, you know, they knock eternal creatures, man. They hang out all night. So I think of like 12 o'clock in the morning, they showed up over the house and they came in the room and I was working on some tracks, man. And they were like, yeah, man, you know, play some play something for me. So I hit that star button, man. They got that stank face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They both looked at each other. They were like, he got it. He got it. That was a good feeling though. Man, it had to be. It was a good feeling, you know, to be able to meet those cats like that. And I had been looking up to them for so long, you know what I'm saying? And I already think to the music part, you know, me and Pimp, I actually feel like me and Pimp were like musical kindred souls, you know what I'm saying? Wow. Because it's so funny. When I first started working on music, you know, I was just just getting into that, that whole damn, am I doing it right? Yeah, yeah. You know, am I using the right sounds? Uh-huh. Am I using the right samples? You know what I'm saying? So at the time I was back with the eyes of the brother sample. Yeah, yeah. And I had a role and I was sitting and listening to it. And I, you know, I was I just kind of learned how to sample and sequencing and getting all the drums and stuff together. And I was like, oh man, I wonder if that's jamming. I know I like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder if it's jamming to somebody else. And then probably about a week after I did that beat, man, I'm riding in my car listening to the radio. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. I must be doing it right. Yeah, it was them. I said, I must be doing it right. I must be doing it right. What song was that? That one. Tell me something good. Yeah. Tell me something good. That was the first one I heard. How old was you when you heard that? Man, I must have been about, what, 15, 16? 15, 16. Me, I was a little bit older. How old are you if you on my math? 49. Yeah, I'm one year older than you. So I just feel tracking me. I never forget that day, man, when I heard that song, just like you just explained it. Yeah. I told, I tell you that all the time, Donna, when I heard that song, I knew, I knew they was cold. I had to, I had to find that music that, uh, what, what too hard to swallow. What was that? What, what, what happened was that there had to be. I think too hard to swallow. That was that was, uh, that was the first one had to be. Well, I'm telling you that was it. You know I'll just tell you that was it, man. I just know when it, when it came out. No, that wasn't it. You right. Because it had tell me something good pocket full of stone. Uh, do, do, do. Yeah, B-O-B-U-N-B. I just remember the songs. Yeah. I know what order they was in. You know what I mean? That's when you really, so you, you had made that, made that just listen to that beat and you was thinking that's a hard beat. Yeah. Like I used that sample. That sample. Yeah. And I was like, man, I wanted this was a good sample. And then when I heard, when I heard that song on the radio and I saw that, you know, he used it and everybody was loving and I was like, okay, I must be doing something right. Like I must be choosing the right samples. I must have, I must have that sound or at least know of that sound that other people won't. Too hard to swallow. Yeah. It was too hard to swallow. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. I just know that thing went hard, man. Me and my partner shout out to that boy, we argue all the time about who the G and UGK is. Oh. Oh, man, low D's. That's yellow B's is a melody. Yeah. Yeah. I know him. We go, we go, we go back and forth. I call him, man. You crazy, man. Yeah. But he got songs with with a, I see only you saying that because you got songs with them niggas. He's like, nah, they ought to see. I'm like, whatever, man. You never give me to say that. Yeah. No, I love him both, man. Me too. I love both of UGK all day. I gotta say UGK because I remember where I was at, like I just know the feeling I got when I heard that. Now, that one lead down from eight ball. I remember that where I was at. That thing went hard, man. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Big. Mr. Big. Mr. Big, man. When they when they got with that dude, T-Mix, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Production, when they stepped that production up. It was on. They got down in Houston and went with Swab House. Swab House. Man, I remember being at Southern, man, listening to them. I always think about Mr. Mike, man. Oh, you Mr. Mike. You know, I was asked people, then I asked, I think I asked Pud. Pud said he was Big Pud. Big Pud said he was still down there. You know, yeah, I'm looking for that cat. I'm trying to find, I'm gonna find him. I've seen some of, I don't know if they were recent, but I saw him in some interviews. Really? I gotta look him up. I'm gonna go. Two years, yeah. We went to Houston and done some and I'm gonna go back. Yeah, I'm gonna get it. He was cold, bro. I loved it, man. He was cold. Yeah. KLC that was on it. Who else? He's Leo. I'm going through everybody running. Running Spence was just on here. You know, I'm going through everybody just talking about pimp. You know what I'm saying? I just love the fact that got lined everything up for me, man. That's what this show done became something like, like when you really think about it, my people are centered out. I gotta get going. I'm gonna get him. I ain't even tripping. I know God. God to put him right there is man that all of these people said was just surrounding that career. So what was what was give me a story between you and pimp, something that you remember that stuck out to you that that happened with you and him. Oh man. Something that was something just something that nobody would know. I don't know because like me and pimp like I went down and stayed in his house and that when he was living in Atlanta, like the whole summer, I think that was back in I want to say 98. I remember when he was living down there. Yeah. And I just I went down there and pretty much locked myself in his basement. Wow. And barely came came up for air like he would be upstairs. I'd be down in the basement and they go out and party and stuff like that. I'd be down in the basement working on tracks man. Wow. But one one one thing that really really stood out in my mind we we never really we never really hung out one on one until this particular time and I was in Dallas and he was in Houston. This was not long after he had gotten released out of prison. Okay. And he like man you know I'm just chilling this weekend you ought to come down you know how I let me. So I went down there and it was really man the whole weekend it was just me and him he was living at the you know the high rise apartment down in Houston over there by the by the mall and we just hung out man we just hung out like we hung out in his apartment we didn't really even work on no music really no music. Yeah he was just like taking a bunch of business calls you know trying to you know handle some things and we go out you know in the evening just ride around that sticks out because he was just focused on just hanging out. Yeah it wasn't even don't know it wasn't even on no music thing it wasn't even on no business thing it was just you know I'm saying because we we I was working with him before he got locked up and then you know he pretty much he went when he went got locked up you know that kind of just things came at a standstill. Yeah man I missed him during that time. Oh man we all did. Man that Terrell Union I know he's on Terrell Union I was keeping up with whatever was going on. Yeah. Yeah that's when you're fanning out you know what I'm like man I can't I can't do this man we got a house on that because when you hear him with the songs he stick out in every song from when he was with Master Pete and I'm doing songs oh yeah whatever he was on that song he gonna kill that whole thing I don't care what nobody say it. He had that golden voice man his delivery was was like like no other man. Yeah. So how did how was this process because I know K.L. say he was like a genius when he come to the music. How was this process to though to when you seen and make music. He just knew what he wanted man. Yeah. He knew what he wanted like and he was quick to you could hear him like I remember when I was living with him in Atlanta you can hear him like he be humming things you know in his head and he go right then and go work on it you know what I'm saying like he'll go because he had his his equipment set up you know upstairs and then mine was set up downstairs. Wow. Yeah and I remember he I would say hey man you know I you ain't got nothing like this right here he ain't no. No it wasn't never like that. Never like that. It was y'all just making music together. Yeah like I'd be down. He said you was like his protege or something that's what he did. Yeah because because really man because I had been making music before I had met him. Okay. But like he knew that my drums could use some work. Okay. So he introduced me to the Roland R8. Okay. Which was a drum machine that he was using and people used to tell me all the time he said man I do much really like you man because I ain't never seen him show nobody how to work that drum machine. Wow. And yeah so he showed me how to work that drum machine so then I started incorporating the sounds and that drum machine into my music you know what I'm saying. Yeah. And was just really getting familiar with it. Man. But yeah I remember one time man he was working on the beat to Chopin' Blaze. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. And I was downstairs and I could hear the beat going don't don't don't. Yeah yeah yeah. Damn it boy. I was like you got it. So late on that day um the power went out he was working on the beat and back then you know you got the ASR10 and uh I don't think he was working on the MPC back then now he was working on the the R8 and the ASR10 and he was working on the beat working on the beat and he had it going. Had the hell going. Man he rapped that all over. All that power went out he lost that beat. What. He lost the beat and all I could hear him upstairs he was like he was like fuck. He had to make that one again. He had to start it all over again. He went back and got it then. Yeah. It was in that era. It sounded just the same. Same. Yeah. Just the same as you had before. Man. That had to because I would have baited not to get that one. Yeah. Boy that one right there. That's a classic. Woo. You hit the club but it boys kicking back. That ain't a shame. That thing was a problem. I already know it was man. So when you think about because I think one of his sons is locked up right now. I just found that out. Yeah. Me and yeah. I've been in a view with his mom and he's Leo and you know some of the things that she was saying how you know everybody you know keeping them in good spirits I'm like what's she talking about. Yeah. I put two and two together I said well he must be incarcerated I didn't know that. So didn't any of his kids ever come around when you was hanging out with him or staying with him? Yeah. Chattie Boo. Chattie Boo was staying with him at the time. Wow. Which is his first son. His oldest son. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be hard for those guys man because of being under such a shadow. You know what I'm saying like my kids already you know they I'm pretty sure my shadow ain't that bad but when you under shadow like that. A legend. And so much expectation under that that have to be something else bro. Yeah. People don't think about it but anytime you see something like that going on I always think about it. I'm like that's a big that's a that's a big shadow to be under. Yeah. And people looking at you and they expecting or wondering or thinking and then you insecure. Yeah because you insecure. You're young you're young and you trying to get to know who yourself is. That's right. Just because you know that's who your father is doesn't necessarily mean that that's who you are that's who you're going to be. And you know now you're not only trying to get to know who you are as as your own person you got everybody saying who your dad was and what your dad did and how he was and you know so you that kind of gets in the way of you finding your own you know identity and then you start feeling like you have you have to live up to that. Yeah. I'm saying but you know I don't I haven't seen either of his children. Yeah. Wow. So I don't know if that's the kind of. No no I'm just thinking of how I would have. Oh yeah absolutely. I would think if I was in that situation. Oh yeah. I'm sure something that they have to you know. I'm sure something that they have to deal with. Yeah. It have to be man. So so far as a bond what's the situation you and bonding been in. Did you because Pimp was the guy that did the beats and you a mute you a beat producing you know sound ear for the sound type dude. So when it came to you and bun did you ever have to process the music right there on the spot with bun to make any music make any other songs that y'all y'all did. Not really like it was we just had to I just had the time to work on the music and then you know I would present it to bun you know and if he liked it you know he liked it then he worked with it. It really wasn't like when we worked on Trill OG there was some on the spot song making or producing studio but but not much like a lot of it like we would go like I would present beats to him like on a CD he'd listen to him he like yeah I want to mess with that and then we go to the studio and record them we work on that recorded at studio and then you know once we you know part ways at the end of the day I'll go home and go work on some more stuff and then present it to him the next day or whenever I had it ready. Wow. So it really wasn't like any you know working on the stuff you know while we was both there yeah yeah I kind of by yourself by myself okay yeah switches and dojo so how how did you process that man that was I think the one of the biggest qualities of that song is is the sample that's in it man that thing sound them good toys and stuff man as a beast yeah do you hear me I mean the song is it where did how did you do it how was it I can ask you because you know how it came together it was you know and I love I love how it all came together because it was just like one of those like magical type of situations I was riding with my cousin Greg in his car and he was listening to this you had this like zydeco mix CD or something that he was listening to and one of the one of the songs on it was this song called step to you by step Rito was a zydeco artist okay and I was listening to it and I love the melody in the song I like it and I asked him who it was he said yeah man that's step Rito I said man you gotta give me a copy of that CD man I think I want to sample that you know what I'm saying so then he burned me a copy of the CD I took it home and just really just started messing with the sample man and I I wanted to use another part of the song but one day when I was working on the song or when I was making the track earlier that day this chick I was dating at the time it broke up with me and it hurt me and that makes for better music yeah it hurt me she hurt me I ain't gonna lie I ain't gonna sit on the mic and be like I ain't never been hurt it hurt right here you can't get away from that old story and y'all sick and uh that part the part that I sampled the part that I ended up using because I couldn't I had another part that I was using but I couldn't get the chop just right the sample chop I couldn't get it right so I found another part to use I say let me just use this in the meantime and when I heard it when I heard that particular part it just caught me because it kind of sounded painful it sounded painful you know what I'm saying and it just made me sit there like yeah it was kind of like a release it kind of felt like a release almost and then I'd actually just put it on CD and I was like you know what I'm gonna go back to it I'm gonna use the part that I wanted to use but I ended up sending the CD and it was really it really was a song because pimp said man put me by seven eight beats on a CD and sent it to me so I had all these other beats and I was like oh yeah he's gonna love these he's gonna love these and it was like seven songs and I needed one more track to put on there and Swishes and Doja was that one that was the last one I was like you know that it's tight but I just I can't I really can't hear UGK on it you know what I'm saying and he hit you back he hit me back man that last one you got on that man that boy so that's the one they ended up using man that's the one they ended up using when you see these guys come out like that man and they do what they do far as the way the finish and touch when they come lyrically on it man what do you be thinking or what did you think at the time you know when I heard it man I was like that's why I'm the producer and they the rapper and I was like man I was like I was wrapped on it and I heard it I was like I was like man you got a lot to learn because you didn't even really hit them cats on that track and they are ripping it and it was at that moment in time man where I was like man because I used to what I used to do when I used to present beats to artists I used to put like tracks on there that I think they'll sound good on and right there is when I learned just put everything on there because you just don't know what somebody else is you know what I'm saying because that's just like me speaking for them yeah yeah yeah you don't know what they are going to do with what you give them you can't speak for nobody else in what they are going to do you just got to put it out there give it to them and see what they come back with because you never know what's going to do with somebody your top 3 artists of all time I always ask that question top 3 artists of any genre top 3 look how she didn't say nothing this time that's funny to me you must be chilling I purposely did that my wife always say something she was like any genre because she don't want it just to be wrapped but she didn't say nothing tonight it's your preference she did say it's your preference number one of all time I may have to say Prince Prince Stevie Wonder number 3 of all time that third one I always get them don't I because it's so many yeah I know you like I don't know yeah that third one will get everybody I may have to go with rock him rock him that's the first rock him Eric being rock him with hard man they changed it bro they changed the whole game that's the first one them and them and LL those LL did this thing they made dudes start rapping I don't know why I thought Brunda got a big ol butt when you said LL that beat that beat was crazy wasn't it one of my favorite songs from LL was Jack the Ripper not necessarily because it was a Kumo D-Diss just the way he man I like the way he came on that song man I need love was a bad song because nobody expected him to sing that like that during that time he was like one of the first to cross that to cross over that whole situation nobody was doing that nobody was doing that he was the first one but he did that head sprung too in the end when I took you to see him that head sprung man I love that that dude go on and he underrated too I remember Brunda the first time I ever saw LL on anything was I don't know if you remember I've been around here a long time Brunda 48 on Brunda you remember that what grocery store is that now but it was on Brunda and Prairie Creek yeah that's a it's a barbershop with cuts right there now now that's over one that's like June so Brunda would be over is it Brunda and Prairie Creek you sure yeah Brunda and Prairie Creek because it's the same street that Samuel is on Brunda and Prairie Creek that's right there it was the same street that runs alongside Samuel but anyway it used to be a Tom Thumb right there and then down further down the shopping center at the end of the shopping center was a movie theater they tore it down they tore it down but Crush Groove man and he walked in that room he killed it didn't he he went in man and it was like BOT and man let me tell you when that song dropped everybody in that movie theater man it was party I know it did I love that it's funny and I can say this to you but like when you see rap come on the scene you can see rap I'm old enough to where I remember when rap started and I remember when it was just R&B I feel very privileged to have seen that whole thing right watched the birth of a music that has changed this world forever for so rap has changed this world forever I agree with it 100% man that's something that and it made a lot of entrepreneurs as well a lot of entrepreneurs man I think that helped our people man so when you I'll ask you I'm not going to hold you up too much longer when you think about the music man what's it going to take to get you back into music so I can get some more music out man that's what I need to know I don't want to hear that you know what man you know I haven't just stopped it all together we gotta find an artist that's dope we gotta be a dope artist well here's the thing um I've been working on stuff for myself and I'm stepping into the southern soul blues and the zydeco get out of here and what's been happening with me man is I've been I've got some stuff I've been working on for myself because I've been working on it, writing it, producing it and recording it because I can hold a tune and I've been messing with so many different genres of music to the point where I've been saying well you gotta you gotta make up your mind and choose one and then I was like well why not just do all of them I just made it up in my mind to do the music that I like to listen to and put it out there and just let the people people judge for themselves I can't wait to hear it you gonna come back on the show so we can talk about it what are you putting it out we'll put it out by the summer we'll be here and you gonna come back on we do a little listening session you'll be the first show I hear that's all I wanna hear right there man I'll say the same, God say the same we're right here doing it man releasing it right here just talking about the process of the music again I'm gonna be dope man, cause you're a dope dude man I appreciate you for coming over and blessing our platform man I know you could have been a million places but you're here with us tonight no thank you so much for coming man like I said it's a blessing man you don't even know man I just to hear those stories man and that's where I'm at with it I just love to hear about what was going on with Pimp cause I'm a big fan of Pimp and my wife heard this ever since you gonna keep me out of here it's so much to be told about the cat man he touched a lot of people him and Bun I don't play Bun, only thing with Pimp is those beat making and he even said that Bun even said it was so much to him but then at the end of the day I just come in there and do my thing he already have it ready and Bun was quick with it too when it came to the music Pimp see down during the time when he was gone I could go in on that because he held him down I ain't never seen no other artist holding nobody down like that when he was gone for about what four years four years right and Bun was out here working man that free Pimp see thing was going down that held us on I don't care what nobody say bro cause I know there's been a lot of things said as far as what their relationship was like some dudes was each other's brothers man you ain't got to tell me that let me tell you something I didn't been in a room with both of them without the other one for lengthy periods of time and ain't now one of them ever said anything bad about the other one in my presence anyway already you know what I'm saying and I know for a fact just by being around them cats I know that Pimp would have went to war for Bun and Bun would have went to war for Pimp and all that other stuff I don't know about it, don't even matter to me but I know what they meant to each other at least I feel like what they meant to each other that's what matters to me well every time you know when you look at someone passing away it always is people have whatever thoughts or whatever but Bun to me like I said you see what he done his work you can't deny it you can't deny that he went in you know like I said it was an untimely demise first of all but the way he went in when he was in prison it just sticks out to me nobody has ever done that bro held somebody down like that you know and everybody was riding his back too he was keeping the music alive man every artist that was out during that time the Jesus and all those people Bun was somewhere ripping him apart with a verse he was killing him he was hurting all of them man they knew it though they respected him he was on with Cash Money he was doing with GZ he was killing it man shout out to Bun man that's a real one there but man hey man thank you so much for coming on the show man see below we love you bro we love you man and you always welcome to come here if you call me and say such need to come on there or some talent out there or whatever the case may be man try my number you can hit me up man for the show man hey man you know what you might know what it mean to me to be here with you bro for real man thank you so much man it's been another great segment of boss talk 101 oh yeah