 Well welcome to our our webinar on NRCS and high tunnel systems now This is a topic that has generated a lot of interest here in North Dakota when we had our high tunnel conference Last time we just had a line of people trying to talk to the NRCS and the farm service agency So we're glad that they're there they've come back to answer some more questions for our stakeholders But joining us today. We have Josh Munson who is the district conservationist with the USDA natural resources conservation services and Our second presenter today will be Lindsay Abentroth with the USDA farm service agency So welcome to both of you today and thank you for agreeing to present Thank you. We appreciate the opportunity to present today. So go ahead Alright So my name is Josh Munson. I'm the district conservationist here for the NRCS office in Fargo So that means I cover Cass County. So everything that I'm talking about is kind of a generalization from My my field office level make sure that you don't you talk with your local district conservationist soil conservationist in Okay, I appear to be muted there for a second. So I believe I'm back on task So be sure to visit your local NRCS office and FNSA offices and they can further provide you with some clarification Based on their personal experiences on all these Here's just a quick video with kind of an overview of the NRCS high tunnels and During the run through things work totally fine But now today we're on the cusp of getting everything done. So it likes just a little island wrench in there for us. So We'll try and get this run up and running here in just one moment Plastic or fabric and closed structures built over hoops and they can be a sample for a fraction of the cost Because of their lightweight modular construction high tunnels are easy to assemble and often easy to move This benefits a variety of crops from plants to trees Growing directly in the ground or in raised beds Allows farmers to improve From weather extremes for air quality wind and other damaging effects They can also grow crops earlier in the spring and later into the winter months Sometimes you're out and they offer farmers a greater ability to manage pests and even drift from pesticides and Farmers can use precision tools like drip irrigation Tunnels can also provide Suppress weeds Increase soil water content and break pest cycles and they're continuing effort to help improve the effectiveness of high tunnels NRCS also supports scientists unlocking the secrets of cover crops Using laboratory testing to reveal even greater soil fertility benefits But perhaps the best thing about high tunnels is that they help farmers furnish their communities with more diverse local crops reducing energy and transportation costs and providing their communities with greater food security To learn more about NRCS assistance with high tunnels Visit your local NRCS field office or nrcs.usda.gov NRCS helping you help the land all right now I'll try and advance the slides here okay, so NRCS is here to try and address the resource concerns a lot of them that we address here things such as erosion water quality etc There's a wide variety of what we call conservation practices for high tunnels That's what we're going to be addressing plant productivity and health. That's the resource concern that we we file that under so the eligibility is It has to be land that's currently capable of producing crops Most like the inter cultivation currently we couldn't have an area where say there used to be an old barn or other Building and things like that and there's concrete and it's not necessarily available to be planted right now You would all need to be kind of cleaned up and prepped and ready to actually produce crops in order for that land to be eligible This does not apply to crops not grown in the natural soil profile So the raised beds are limited to 12 inches in depth and then no pots tables of hydroponics or anything So that's one thing where we have to utilize the natural soil there There can definitely be some series of amendments such as composting and things like that to help increase the soil fertility But those are does need to be grown in the natural soil profile Um, it needs to be constructed in accordance with the manufacturers Uh recommendations. That's one of the big important things for us because there's such a variety of Um manufacturers out there. We want to try and utilize their their knowledge and their proper Manufacturing specs on those things So we need to have at least six feet high at the peak So it's got some height to it and the covering needs to be a four-year minimum lifespan Of the six millimeter greenhouse grade uv resistant material As we've all been aware here in this area snow loads condenses structure So at the end of the growing season unless the structure is designed to withstand the snow loads We need to take and roll up and then properly store the poly and everything at the end of the year If it has a two out of five year irrigation history The micro irrigation could possibly be eligible as a practice with us also But we need good clear documentation To show that it had been irrigated in in the manner if it was all Just dry land and when the rain came it came kind of thing Then it likely wouldn't meet the irrigation history for that practice And all of with this particular practice that we're looking at you would have to have the lifespan of four years And within that building we got to make sure we're not providing any shelter housing to any sort of livestock Or storing equipment supplies. We can't be parking our tractors under there We got to make sure it's just used for the production of agricultural crops um We can't be installing on slopes greater than five percent Here in in cast county at least this really shouldn't be a problem in most cases As we're a pretty flat land area, but all across the us or other individuals that are listening in That could definitely come in come into play for you Because of my personal experience in this part of the country I would probably suggest purchasing a system that can withstand the higher wind speeds I've seen all across the state some very strong winds that are able to kind of tear things apart and if you can spend a little bit extra investment in trying to provide extra rigidity and strength to your Structure, I think it would definitely be be worth it versus the damage that could potentially come in the long run another thing to consider is potential shading next to uh other tall structures And trees and things like that so we like to try and plan to build it two times the height of whatever that shading um item could be there As we know the high tunnels do shed a large amount of water So one thing that I've had success with is maybe suggesting a quick growing cover crop such as a cereal rye Just on the outside where things were kind of disturbed during the construction of the high tunnel that would Take put a nice solid mat and help reduce the erosion and things On the outside of the structure as the water is shedding off the top of it um, we also kind of consider say 10 to 20 feet depending on your Snow removal items and stuff like that and it also gives you a little bit of room if you're Installing them next to each other for the cover to be installed So we want to make sure that we're putting it in a proper location and we're not going to create any additional resource concerns particularly with water erosion, so We sit there and we make sure we go out to the site where we're going to be building it and we try and look at all those different considerations and factors going hey we have some Buildings here the shading here We have maybe a highly erodible soil, so we got to make sure we're putting some cover on there It's we don't want that to be watered to be running off taking the soil with it And look at the slope and everything in certain cases and So there's a lot of things that we try and sit down and work with you on a plant plan basis for And these are just a couple of the soil health tenants that I like like you to kind of consider such as minimizing soil disturbance Planting diversity within the crop trying to keep a living room In the soil as long as we can around the year because that's what's really helping drive the microbiology and the soil function in that Keeping it covered with residue is something we've covered particularly for erosion And I kind of made note that a lot of gardens are tilled excessively each year And this can lead to multiple imbalances in the natural soil biota to lead to issues down the road That's when those diseases can start coming up because we think of it more as the fuel Soil food web instead of more the food chain and trying to work within all of those soil health tenants Should set you up for success So and here are some of the different categories that individuals might fall into if And affect how we get the financial assistance to you Um, we have a beginning farmer rancher and that is essentially They have not operated a farmer ranch or who has operated a farmer ranch for not more than 10 consecutive years So that is something to consider if if you're newly getting into this and I have a feeling a lot of the individuals I spoke with At the conference would could possibly fall into that Another is limited resource Farmer rancher and this one a when it talks about the gross farm sales of less than 174,600 dollars Yeah, we could there's probably a lot of folks that would be falling into that But the second part might be a little bit tougher and based on the current fiscal year 2018 that would be showing that your A total household income would be less than 28,941 dollars That might be something to consider if you're looking at trying to go into that category And that's total income not just from farm and ranch Yes total household income So if you have a second um primary job that In the household near household income is above that then now that would not be falling under this category We good Yes, sorry. No just wanted to verify um For veteran farmer rancher, you would be a veteran that was released under the condition other than dishonorable and who also would meet the criteria of the farmer rancher having the 10 years less than 10 years of farming ranching experience The socially disadvantaged group Would be subject to racial or ethnic prejudice because of their identity as a member of a group without regard to their individual qualities And those groups include african-americans american indians or alaska natives Hispanics and asians were pacific islanders So if that's also a potential group that someone would fall into there's also a different rate for financial assistance there So I just wanted to make sure that I pointed this out that These are the fiscal year 2018 which we are currently in that started october 1st And we're currently contracting at these rates So in the future they the rates could change and I have no Set knowledge of what they could possibly be so I just wanted to make sure individuals are aware of that And I also wanted to make sure everyone knows that we provide financial assistance It's not a grant program and it's not technically cost share. It's just a rate per square foot A grant is you know, totally different and the cost share we just we pay a set rate it could be almost all the cost of it financially for you it could be A very small amount of cost based on the manufacturer and what you pay and what the installation and construction of it is so the traditional right now for Somebody could be as low as 241 or the snow gothic which has a peak that can withstand snow loads much better and shed snow better. That's up to 462 And we have a payment cap of 7600 dollars So that would mean we could cash I'm sorry financial assistance on anywhere from 3153 square feet. It feels at the traditional quonset Or down as low as 1645 and that's where the payment cap would come in So those might be something also to consider when going about this And these are the examples of the gothic on the left It sheds the snow much better and can withstand the snow loads a little bit And we got a quonset and the failed structure in the bottom right to show When the snow piles up on it. Yeah, we probably Probably shouldn't have that up there still So obviously there's enough operations and maintenance we wanted to do throughout the life lifespan of it Small tears and things like that need to be repaired If something breaks reinstalled because these do have a four-year lifespan Closing the sides and things like that before the big storm event. So that air doesn't take lift and try and pull and rip on that structure um, I would also Probably suggest in most cases because of where we're at Removing the cover prior to winter and then finding a good safe storage space for it So that way it's not just sitting out in the back of the yard or sitting over by something where We get big winter winds and picks it up and well, I tossed a couple bricks on there And then we have a damaged Cover you have to replace it the next year So if there's something where there's serious risk of collapse, we're also in a say late Or early winter storm kind of comes in It might be worth just going out there and slashing your plastic in order to prevent it from failure because then you could you could save the Framework at least and that's going to be where the most of the constant things are out there and doing performing soil tests to Monitor the nutrients and salt build-ups I would maybe consider getting a water quality test if you can I believe nDSU On does provide those things because if you're constantly adding a lot of salts and things from a well source possibly that that could begin Making it much more difficult for the crops in there. So that's another reason maybe why Leaving it open for a full Season and moving it if you have another area that you possibly can We're just allowing the snow to pile up over the winter and then hopefully as the snow melts It'll hopefully move a little bit of that. They'll salt your salts down through the soil profile and eventually we hope to get out of the soil root zone I would also maybe consider on The outside after we get something quickly established during that year of construction Consider maybe a perennial pollinator mix or something that could be good It not only would look really nice after it's established But it can actually improve the pollination of the crops as well And NRCS is always there to try and help you with that based on your soils We can always suggest native pollinators and things like that soil conservation district It also does a lot with the urban program and they they've done a lot of good things with pollinators as well So at the end of the proper use of the life of the plastic That's another thing we want to try and make sure that we have a proper disposal of it We don't want to just kind of take and throw that away You could probably look at going into a recycling center of some kind talking with your local landfills and things of that nature And with that I will now turn it over to Laura. Thank you all very much just now Hello everyone My name is Lindsay Aventroth, and I'm the public affairs and outreach coordinator for North Dakota farm service agency And we're very happy to be with you all today Um, I am joined along with several fsa program directors and specialists Um, but just to start out I wanted to let you guys all know what the farm service agency is and what it's all about The farm service agency is an agency within the united states department of agriculture And our mission is to help farmers and ranchers Secure the greatest possible benefit from programs administered by fsa such as farm loans commodity price support disaster relief conservation and other available resources Including and not limiting to helping producers who are interested and engaged in high tunnel agriculture So as I mentioned, there are several program directors that specialize in certain farm service agency areas with me today And uh, they are all going to speak with you about the programs that they administer here for north Dakota farm service agency Um, first up, we're going to have laura hindricks. She's a production adjustment division and she's going to go over producer eligibility Um, not insured assistance program our organic certification cost share program and also some fsa communication opportunities Uh, we also have ryan limbaum with us today are from our farm loan division And he's going to give you a general fsa farm loan program overview And finally we have ryan haugen with us from the price support division who's going to be covering farm storage facility loan programs So I am going to turn it over to laura hindrick. Thank you Thank you, lindy. Um, I am laura hindrich and I'm with the farm service agency in the production adjustment division And first of all, I'm going to cover with you just some program eligibility um to qualify for some of our programs, whether it's with The natural resource conservation service for their equip program that josh just covered or any of the programs that we'll be covering With you from the farm service agency standpoint um producers have to meet certain um eligibility requirements The first thing they need to do is be associated with a farm and tract And what that means is that you're going to need to contact your local farm service agency office and indicate on a map of Exactly where you're putting that high tunnel um, and once you indicated that we will go into our system draw out that area on in our um Gis system and the and indicate that you are the operator of that land and that's how we associate that farm and tract with you Um, and then once we do that then you also have to meet some additional eligibility requirements based on the specific program If that particular program um has a payment limitation requirement Um, we'll need to ask you some questions to determine on the direct app How we're going to directly attribute those? Payments to either the person or the legal entity. So we'll have you fill out A form giving us information about your farming operation Um, the other criteria you'd have to be is meet the foreign person rule Which basically, um, if you're a foreign person You need to have a resident green card and then we'll also need to indicate whether you're a minor child or not Um, because there's specific rules that are associated with my minor children and program benefits If the program you're applying for has a conservation compliance Where um, you must certify that you're in compliance with the highly rotable land provisions Or a wetland provisions, you'll need to complete a form. It's called an 80 10 26 And that's also applicable to nrcs programs that josh just covered also If the program you're applying for has an adjusted gross income Um eligibility requirement, we'd have you fill out an average adjusted gross income certification That's the form ccc 941 And on that particular form, you're just going to certify Whether your average adjusted gross income is less than $900,000 or not And to determine that we look at the three years prior to the year proceeding the year That you're requesting benefits for So that's the basic eligibility requirements for the for different usda programs There's a couple programs that I administer that I'd like to cover with you that would be interest to a lot of um fruit and vegetable producers The first um program is the non-insured assistance program Um nap is intended or nap because we saw a lot of acronyms with with the government as you can tell Nap is intended to reduce financial losses that occur when natural disasters cause a catastrophic loss of an eligible crop And those an eligible crop is a commercial Agricultural crop for which federal crop insurance is not available. So in North Dakota, most of our crops are That are covered under nap would be fruit and vegetables or um forage crops And as we discussed earlier some programs have a payment limitation This particular program does and it has a 125 000 payment limitation So what kind of coverage level do we offer under this program? We have two options. The first option is basic coverage With that the coverage is available at 50 percent of the producers established yield At 55 percent of the established price Um and with that there is a service fee of $250 per crop So under basic coverage just to give an example of how a payment would work Is if the producer established a yield of a hundred 100 weight per acre for that particular crop nap would guarantee 50 percent of that 100 hundred weight or 50 100 weight per acre If the crop only produced 20 hundred weight due be due to drought or hail Then fsa would make a payment to the producer for the third for 30 hundred weight times 55 percent of the price So that 30 hundred weight is the difference between the guarantee of 50 hundred weight per acre And what they actually produced of the 20 The other coverage option is buy up coverage With that particular coverage the producer can select anywhere from 50 to 65 percent of the established yield at 100 percent of the price Again, there is a service fee associated with that plus. There's also a premium of 5.25 percent As josh indicated with his programs, um, we do have Additional benefits for producers who meet a beginning farmer limited resource or targeted underserved um Or as a targeted underserved producer We would with if they meet one of those criteria We would waive that $250 per crop service fee And then we'd also reduce if they chose to do buy up we'd reduce the premium by 50 percent And there is a service fee maximum of 750 dollars per producer Um per administrative county So if you were produced if you were ensuring four crops You'd only have to pay 750 dollars instead of a thousand dollars The other program, um, I administered that you may be interested in is the organic certification cost share program Um, this program offsets, um, the cost of certification of becoming or an organic producer Um, it reimburses organic producers and handlers as much as 75 percent of the cost of the organic certification And up to a maximum of 750 dollars annually per certification category such as crops livestock wild crops and handling Or handling and processing Um with this program, um, the north Dakota department of agriculture also assists us in Um administering this program so county offices can either or producers can either contact The north Dakota department of agriculture to apply for the cost share assistance Or, um, their local fsa office If you have any further questions, um on the programs I just covered you can contact myself Um or wanda brayton, um for eligibility questions So ryan linbaum is going to be up next to discuss farm loan programs My name is ryan linbaum and i'm the farm loan director for the state of north dakota So i'm going to talk briefly about the farm loan programs available for fsa This is uh, not just the north dakota program. It's a nationwide program available in all states including, you know, like for example, minnesota or south dakota uh, so basically we offer We offer two kinds of loan programs a direct and the guaranteed loan program The direct basically you work with your local fsa office and the guaranteed program You work with your local bank The difference is With your local bank, we will offer up to a 90 percent guarantee. So for example, let's say you borrow a hundred thousand dollars The bank's actually only risking ten thousand dollars because we're guaranteeing up to ninety thousand dollars to the bank Uh, the main point is though, we don't not Compete with private commercial credit. So this is basically for those producers that can't are unable to obtain credit But we do uh Place a special emphasis for beginning farmers or minority or women farmers or answers Uh, you know, since we're talking high tunnels one of our most popular programs in north dakota For like high tunnels wish we've done a few throughout the state is the micro loan program Uh, where you could borrow up to fifty thousand dollars To basically, you know, do a build a high tunnel for example And so like the question always arrives Our nurseries or vegetable starts or greenhouse operations are eligible and their answer is yes, they are eligible for The micro loan program or even like certain, you know Farmers markets or csa's are, you know, you can use the micro loan program Uh, north dakota. Here's our contact numbers for our Direct loan program And so if you want to contact, you know, for the other states, whether you're in minnesota or south dakota Just contact your local fsa office and they should give you the information for farm loans Okay, so our farm loans, uh, obviously here's the micro loan, uh program Can borrow up to fifty thousand dollars Uh, loan can be used for initial startup expenses or, you know, buy a Seed, you know supplies, etc. Or you can build a high tunnel And the terms, uh, depends on the project obviously, but usually the typical term is one to seven year term Other loan programs you do have available, uh, the guaranteed operating, you know, through your local bank You can borrow up to 1.399 million We also have a land contract guaranteed program For five over a thousand and we also do offer a youth loan program Uh, typically that's 10 to 20 years of age and they're working with like their local ffa or 4h group And so that is another popular program We do have also a direct farm ownership loan We can borrow up to 30 300 thousand dollars and usually that turns up to 40 years We have a beginning farmer down payment program Typically the producer would have to provide five percent down But they do get a lower interest rate Uh, typically it's a fixed 1.5 interest rate And the max they could borrow there is 300 000 They have a direct operating program Let's say for example, you want to build a High tunnel structure. That's over 50 000 dollars for instance. You could use the direct operating program You can borrow up to 300 000 and it's a one to seven year term typically And we do have an emergency loan program for crop losses or physical losses and that's up to 500 000 And typically that loan program depends on what your loss is And also we do have a guaranteed farm ownership loan where you could borrow up to 1.399 million And the difference between the direct and the guaranteed interest rates are with the direct FSA loan you basically pay The the direct loan rate Which is typically fixed With the guaranteed loan you basically borrow what the bank would charge We don't set up the bank. Basically, they have to charge the same average interest rate to all producers And so our turn it over now to mr. Brian Hogan to talk about the farm storage facility loan Yes, as ryan stated, I'm brad hogan from our price support division here with FSA I want to talk about the farm storage facility loan program Unlike some of the prior presentations where the discussion was for financial assistance for high tunnels for the production of fruit and vegetables The facility loan program does not provide financing for The production of those crops, but what the program does offer financial assistance for is for post harvest Which would be for structures for the storage of fruit and vegetables the handling and the transportation The fsfl program has been very popular with our grain producers Post crop oil seed producers and in addition to that it also has eligibility for fruit and vegetable producers as well What that would entail as far as storage structures To provide cold storage for the storing of the crops Once that they've been harvested and this would be coolant equipment in addition to their being Handling trucks for the transportation of the product, which would be refrigerated units The facility loan program We have a chart that just identifies the different loan amounts The maximum loan amount is up to 500,000. However, there's no limit on a number of 500,000 loans An individual may have we've also included as far as the referenced required down payment amounts and based on the loan amounts whether the equipment that is being purchased for The storage or handling Of the fruits and vegetables Whether they're new or used and then the terms are listed at the bottom of this slide which are all derived based on The loan amount will determine the loan terms Some summary of some of the items related to the facility loan program again a program post harvest for storage handling and transportation of fruit and vegetables the Interest rate that applicable based on the term that is a locked-in term for the term of the loan And that is determined based on the month in which the loan is approved And we've included on this slide if you had a loan that was approved Here in the month of february what that interest rate would be for the loan term our program does Charge a non refundable hundred dollar application fee and in addition to that some other general eligibility requirements that One individual loan or aggregate loan amount once we exceed the hundred thousand dollar threshold They do require additional security either in the form of real estate or a letter of credit And then also for the facility loan program With the exception of handling equipment or handling trucks Any structure for storage there would have to be an eligibility means test completed to determine the storage need And then also one final reminder as far as any of the new equipment handling equipment handling trucks that are To be applied for under this program We need to be reminded that those items cannot be purchased prior to the loan application Being approved by the local county committee And now i'm going to turn it back over to lindsay All right, everybody. Um, we just want to leave you with some contact information to find out more Detailed program information on everything that we covered today. Um, you can certainly visit www.fsa.usda.gov Also, we have a lot of fact sheets out there and um, there's a couple of links right here where you can go to To again get some more detailed information on everything we discussed with you today Um, also, we wanted to point out that, um These this is a map of all of our service centers in north dakota And i'm realizing that it, um, isn't turning out real clear here But um in almost every single county in north dakota with the exception of Two, I believe billings in slope county. We have an fsa service center So we would encourage you to stop in there for any information and those folks would be happy to visit with you about Um, any fsa program related information that you want to discuss with them And also there's a link at the bottom too where you can see get the actual contact information You can get the phone number and the address of all of the county service centers in north dakota Um, another thing that I wanted to touch on today is just to keep up to date with uh fsa information I would encourage you to sign up for our state And county newsletters This is a sheet that will provide you with information on how to subscribe to receive that It's all timely, um and good information That you'll get on a monthly basis on what's going on in the fsa world We also have an sms text messaging service So you can opt in to receive uh text messages from every county in north dakota and um, we assure you that we won't bog you down with More than two text messages a month and it it'll all be timely and important information on dates and deadlines That you would want to receive And so that wraps up the fsa portion And our webinar portion today, but I believe now we are going to open it up for questions From the nrcs side of things and also from the fsa side of things as I mentioned before we have Many different programs specialists and knowledge in the room here, so we'll do our best to answer any questions that you may have Lindsay this is esther. Would you send me those websites so I could then send it to our entire high tunnel listserv? Absolutely, I would be happy to do that esther Thank you And this is this is our opportunity for questions Esther we'll I'll send you a copy of the presentation with all the embedded links Okay, you can also have that I apologize for not getting that to you earlier for individuals to follow along So we'll get that to you. Thank you Oh, thank you josh All right, so if any of you have questions go ahead and Ask them You can certainly type it in the chat box if you don't have a microphone So I am unmuting all of you. So you'll be able to ask questions And I hear people typing I've got a quick question for you. This is drew irons out here in willistan I'm just a little bit away from the SU experiment station out here at offland Uh part of my master gardener work. I will be working with uh you FFA for those kinds of kids I am fortunate enough to have some acreage out here and one of the things occurred to me. They're very well Maybe excess acreage out here Uh Can some of these people if they're interested in coming down here? We've got good soil We've got access to water Both rural water and well water Uh, is it possible for them to finance on somebody else's land if a group from them want to do this Did you get that? Yeah, this is ryanlin bomb For farm loans Yeah, basically we could uh finance on other people's land the the main point is we need a You know a lease agreement of some sort, you know for the term of the loan You know, so if you're doing let's say five-year High tunnel we would need a five-year lease on the land That that that answers my question exactly because I'm very busy right here, but part of the master gardenering Working with the youth is one of the key areas I have and this is affordable if you help with fundraisers and all that Learn about growing safe handling all that other stuff. So thank you very kindly All right other questions And while people people are typing maybe I'll ask a question about the facilities loan Um, is the facilities loan going to be very similar to the um to the other loans where there would be priority given to minorities and women Or do you have um, are those that have a lower income? Or is that open to everybody It would be open to everyone. There would be no priority ranking based on Um individuals of limited resources and so forth every it would be open to everyone in addition to that There's not a ranking system based on the applications based on eligibility Security requirements being Is everybody being shy? Any other question any other questions here? Well while you're thinking maybe I'll ask josh a question Josh, is there a certain or is there a limited pool of money that's available this year for equip loans or for financial assistance? Yes, there's a certain amount of money set aside each year for those And there could actually be a couple different pools The high tunnel or limited resource and beginning farmer There would be two separate pools for each of those and depending on What category they fall into if they are a long-term farmer that would not fall under any of the historically underserved groups Then they would just go under the High tunnel systems. So they're set aside money each year that varies every single year. So For the most part, we've had great success in funding high Now is it possible that you could you could use up your whole pool of money before? before september All right now we're We've already addressed we started with our 2018 So this summer we would like to be going out and visiting with the producers on their operation Looking at at the eligibility doing our on-site visit looking for those resource concerns And addressing those with the high tunnel when they would be in for the 2019 fiscal year, which would start october 1st Of 2018 Yes, okay, of course, and we don't go by calendar year. We go by fiscal year So what influences how much you get per year? Is there a certain calculation? That affects the pool that's available for north dakota It's all distributed out through Washington, DC So they they a lot certain amounts for the states and they divvy it up appropriately based on interest and historic number of Contracts and things like that So if we have more and more interest our pool would grow then too I would imagine the more and more interest and success We would likely see additional funds. Like I said at this point, I've I've seen very good success rates of getting them funded I see a question from rachel sailor. Um, oh See here. Well, I guess this one isn't for uh for josh okay So any other questions And yes, rachel I can add you to the listserv. Yes, absolutely. And if anybody has Knows of anybody else that would like to be on the listserv you can certainly contact me and I will add you That's all I really appreciate the opportunity to allow fsa and nrcs to Present this information to you and you look forward to working with you in the future And thank you to everybody for tuning in today. We had a nice a nice crowd of participants And we'll also be recording this. I am a little behind in getting the recordings Posted on the website, but I hope to catch up here with sometime in the next week So we'll make this recording available on our website so that other people can can use the important information that you've shared with us So thank you very much to nrcs and to farm service agency for letting us know what resources are available Great. Thank you. And then our our next our next High tunnel webinar actually alludes to something that josh had talked about about the buildup of salts in our soils So our next webinar will be on march 22nd at 1 p.m. And terry nennich will be talking about managing salt in your soils All right. Thank you to everybody and hope to see you at the next webinar Thank you Thank you. This was great information