 All right, welcome to the state of Linux historic preservation in the United States. Before we get be begin, we have a few housekeeping reminders for attendees. This session is being recorded, including the chat box. Please abide by the conference code of conduct during conference sessions. All participants will be muted during the presentations. The chat function is enabled for specific session questions or comments that you may have. You can find help to all your other questions in the FAQ section of the Tokyo app or website, or use the attendee customer service room accessible in the virtual platform schedule. Close captioning is available and can be accessed by enabling it in your zoom screen settings. And now I'd like to turn over the program to our panelists. Thanks so much. Welcome everyone. My name is Desiree Aranda, and I'm the moderator for today's session. I'm joining today from my hometown of Phoenix, Arizona, in the Salt River Valley on the ancestral territories of indigenous peoples, including Hobokam, Autumn and Pee Posh, American communities. Thanks so much for attending our session the state of Latinx historic preservation in the United States. Today's session was organized by Latinos and Heritage Conservation, for which I have the pleasure of serving as co-chair. For those who may be new to our group, Latinos and Heritage Conservation, or LHC for short, is a national organization dedicated to elevating and preserving the stories, heritage and culture of diverse Latinx communities throughout the United States. LHC formed in 2014 and I'm so excited to report that earlier this year LHC became an official 501C3 non-profit organization. This is a huge milestone for those of us involved, and for the future of Latinx historic preservation more broadly. If you haven't already, I encourage you to sign up for our quarterly newsletter and follow us on Instagram and Facebook. I've put our website in the chat box. The title of today's session is the State of Latinx Historic Preservation in the US. The last few years have no doubt been difficult and challenging in many regards, and this is true for Latinx heritage sites as well. Against the backdrop of a global pandemic, where black and brown communities continue to be disproportionately impacted, and extreme weather events also affect our communities unequally. The Trump administration continues its relentless attack of Latinx immigrants, no better symbolize than through its racist border wall project, which has destroyed thousands of miles of sensitive ecological areas, as well as sacred and historical native sites. Meanwhile, increasing economic inequality and gentrification within our urban areas have all brought about threats to long standing Latinx neighborhoods and communities throughout the country. In the face of all of these challenges, there have also been several bright spots. Our communities are resilient and many are engaged more than ever before to preserve our history and places of importance. And this year, the National Trust included two Latinx sites on their 11 most endangered list, including the Ponce Historic Zone in Puerto Rico, and the Alazan Apache Courts in San Antonio, Texas. Inclusion of these sites in the 11 most endangered list gives us promise of positive outcomes for both communities. So today, we're going to hear from three really amazing speakers joining us from coast to coast, who will share challenges and successes they've had with the Latinx Historic Preservation efforts. Our first speaker is Edward Torres, Preservation Architect and Principal at Bar Latosa Studio in Chicago. Then we'll hear from Rosalyn Cegara, Neighborhood Outreach Coordinator for the Los Angeles Conservancy, where she aims to empower people to preserve historic places that matter to them. And we'll end with a presentation from Diego Roballo, Historic Preservation Advocate with the Historic Districts Council, where he does outreach in New York City's Spanish-speaking communities. After the presentations, we'll have about 15 minutes for Q&A. Please type any questions you may have into the chat box. With that introduction, I'll hand it over to you, Ed. Great. I will attempt to share this screen in a minute. Okay, I'm going to put my time around just so I'm, since I'm first, I don't want to start being late. So I'm Edward Torres, as mentioned in Chicago, Preservation Architect. There's my email in the bottom. Me, Torres, at Bar Latosa Studio.com. If you have any questions about anything I'm presenting today, please feel free to email me on that. So I've been talking about this actually for the last two years about the Pilsen-Designated Historic District. Two years later, we are still not, we're still not a historic district. Pilsen community is about three and a half miles from downtown Chicago. It was more or less formed in the 19th century by Germans, Polish, Italian, and eventually checked to end up building a lot of the current stock of buildings that are there. In the 1950s and 60s, the great migration of not just African Americans, but also of Mexican Americans coming up north along the railroad. And a lot of them stopping in Chicago to find work and homes and Pilsen was the sort of service Ellis Island of Chicago for that. So, and the Mexican American population grew up to almost 90% of the community. In 2006, a nomination was made to include Pilsen on the National Register. This was done by, led by professor and students. It was, it's a good nomination. Most of it carried the Bohemian history, the Eastern European history of the built environment. Not much was mentioned about the Mexican history and the immigration, and none of the murals which I forgot I failed to mention that Pilsen has hundreds of murals currently starting from 1968 when the, the mural movement was starting in the United States, all the way to last week. So many murals are included in the district, but none were were included in the national register of 4,000 over 4,000 properties. Fast forward to to 2019 last year. I'm going to be talking about a preservation strategy later that included this local historic district destination. The city of retain actually returned our company to do a local historic destination which included over 875 contributing properties. The beer, the buildings and the murals were both included. We had about approximately 75 murals that were included in the, in the report. And the report as you can see there's a copy of the cover it was trans translated into Spanish. My sister who's an attorney actually did it so it was, it was within the family. In a local historic district. You have sort of leeway, as opposed to the national register standards or guidelines. We included five criteria heritage architecture are distinctive theme, which a lot of the architecture that is still in place still intact from the 19th century built by the by the checks and the Eastern Europeans. And finally, at the criteria seven, which was, which includes distinct physical appearances, and that involved the murals. Here's a map overlaid of what we did in 2019, the red, and the blue indicates the national registration done in 2006, more than 15 years ago, and you can see that the difference of size. Now the local district, as I mentioned, is still pending. And later on I'll talk about the pushback on this designation locally here. So, I mentioned the preservation strategy to city Chicago. Introduce a in 2018 late 2018 December, like a day before the National Trust Conference in San Francisco. It was introduced by the mayor then Emmanuel. That would include not just a designated landmark district but also affordable, enhancing the affordable requirements creating new housing jobs and industrial monetization strategy and then quality of life elements like open space improvements. So, these five elements were included in the total preservation strategy of this neighborhood of Pilsen and also in the hopefully in the future in little village. This strategy included affordable requirement ordinance that would increase the 20% affordability and new developments. Currently, it's 10% I think it's 10%. I'm, I don't know if it's changed but I think it's 10%. And also, it would, it would also address existing residents which is sort of new in terms of now during COVID, a lot of this happening now with rentals and and and people not be able to afford their homes. But this was this was introduced before the COVID. And also include reducing property taxes. And the reason for this is so, so displacement would not happen immediately or will not happen or minimize it during the, it'd be in a designated area. Also, which is was just introduced by the commissioner commissioner Cox from who came here from Detroit. The three grant program for home owner improvements for $3 million to improve their homes, and that would include the exterior and interior. 3 million, I know it's not enough for 400 homes in the district. But I think they're that's going to be the starting of that program. The other two are industrial corridor to foster or to attract companies. And this Pilsen, the neighborhood happens to be next to industrial quarter, and not far away so the plan is to start thinking of planning the enhancing the Pilsen industrial quarter with with new manufacturing and new companies, and finally the base enhancements of parks. And this Paseo has been planning and it's being implemented near Pilsen, and it would connect another neighborhood called little village, just south of it about about six to seven blocks south. So one of the things that we also another project that we were retained with sb freedman, who was the prime was now if it does become a designated district, what, how can the homeowners improve Elisa facades or windows. So we came up this is just a sample of the report but here it shows a common building a cottage. The misery building in in Pilsen, and we identify some of the elements of a house, and we put some numbers estimated costs to see how much they could to assist ourselves and property tax issues, and how the incentives can be used for the small modest buildings, working with the city and the county here of how the incentives can work with the with the tax incentives. So why preservation strategy plan. Well, Pilsen has about 80,000 residents, the Hispanic population has gone down about 22%. So maybe 18,000 20,000 have moved out. The 90 structures have been demolished in the last 15 years, and that is, before it's designated. And the goal of the preservation strategy plan is to preserve building housing heroes and communities. And also, maybe to create some environmental justice there's an image of an implosion of a smoke stack that gave no warning to the community and that big smoke was on a beautiful day. The community of Little Village and Pilsen. The pushback. A lot of people don't want this destination. They have over 400 signatures of homeowners in the district. As you can see there's some chats of that they've had zoom, and there is that there's some of the dialogue for get the murals protect the working class. And then they've stopped the Pilsen landmine ordinance, it's the movement is, they're afraid that this is really going to displace people, although the commissioner is pushing that preservation district will serve as a tool to save, including with the other elements. My tips on this is, in terms of the pushback is, when this is introduced. The reason that perhaps this was rushed a bit by the city because of the election that was happening at the time is to develop a comprehensive plan that preservation becomes a tool to minimize displacement. Start the conversations early with the community about what does it mean to be designated as a district. To review the tax structure so the so that the structure that is now in place can be altered or amended to assist modest homeowners on getting some tax relief. Somehow, in some way, or getting some incentives, and finally provide technical assistance to homeowners regarding rehab and what does this all mean. So that's, that's basically what I want to give an update on the Pilsen. Thank you. Thanks Ed, we're going to now hear from Rosalind Zagara from the LA Conservancy. Give them a moment to switch screens. Hi everyone. I'm Rosalind Zagara with the, I'm the neighborhood outreach coordinator with the Los Angeles Conservancy. Thanks for inviting me to speak today. I will be sharing information about the Conservancy's project to designate the Chicano moratorium in Los Angeles to the National Register of Historic Places. But before I highlight some of the places and people associated with this nomination, I wanted to provide a very brief summary of the Chicano moratorium in Los Angeles for those who may not be familiar with this history. And at the end of the presentation, I'll also share a tip or a takeaway from this project. In 1969 through 1971, the Chicano moratorium was a movement of Chicano and Latino anti Vietnam War activists who converged in Los Angeles to protest racial injustice and the disproportionate death toll of Mexican American soldiers in the Vietnam War. Activists linked the Vietnam War and unjust conditions at home, pervasive discrimination, disadvantaged Mexican Americans through inferior schooling and housing, poor jobs and police abuse. These conditions in turn made them vulnerable to the draft or precipitated enlistment. So our nomination project includes four components, three national register nominations and an amendment to the California's existing statewide historic context on Latinos in the 20th century, which now will include a new theme on the Chicano. Oh my goodness. You haven't been hearing me. Let me go back. I've already heard you. It was just like the last few seconds that you want me for some reason. Okay. Apologies. Okay. So, did you hear the last part about the components of the documentation project. No, maybe get started there. Okay. The nomination project includes four components. So that's three national register nominations and an amendment to the California, California's existing statewide historic context on Latinos in 20th century, which now will include a new theme on the Chicano moratorium in Los Angeles. So I'm going to start by talking about this first nomination. We nominated the first Chicano moratorium March, which happened on December 20th 1969. And this is a map that traces the March route. March began at noon at in the area of the five points Memorial and pictured here is one of the sites that's included in this area. This is in the Boyle Heights neighborhood of the city of Los Angeles. And the March in 1969 began with a reading of the names of Mexican Americans who died in combat in Vietnam War. Following the reading marchers proceeded down Indiana Street, following six Chicanos who were carrying a symbolic coffin. Behind them, people held a large blood spattered portrait of private JJ Montes, who was a representative of many of the Chicano soldiers who had died in Vietnam. 70 Brown Berets led the rest of the March. So the 1.1 mile route follows flat residential streets in the neighborhood of low rise predominantly single family homes and here's a view of the March route. The route terminated at Obregon Park in unincorporated East LA, where about 2000 people gathered for a rally. The success of this March garnered public support and attention for the Chicano movement and subsequent Chicano moratorium marches. We also nominated the Brown Beret headquarters on 4th and Mott streets in Boyle Heights in the city of Los Angeles. The Brown Berets were instrumental in the formation of the Chicano moratorium committee in December 1969. Their mission was to mobilize Chicanos not just against the war, but against the social injustices that they faced at home. The Brown Berets met in several locations during the late 1960s and early 1970s. This location across the street from Roosevelt High School was conveniently located for nearby student members. We nominated the National Chicano moratorium March of August 29 1970, and this nomination includes several contributing buildings and sites in unincorporated East LA. We began at East 3rd Street in front of what is now the East LA Civic Center and progressed east on Beverly, south on Atlantic, then went west on Whittier and ended in Laguna Park, which is now known as Salazar Park. The 226 mile route follows a level street path characterized by mostly low rise commercial buildings that are from the 1920s and 1960s. And the image on the left shows the approximate location of the start of the March, and on the right is a view from Atlantic Boulevard. The signage and the storefronts may have changed since 1970s, the low rise commercial buildings continue to typify the streets. Located on Whittier Boulevard near Sierra Avenue is a single story contributing commercial building. This building house the East LA Free Clinic, also known as known as El Barrio Free Clinic. Today it houses the legacy business mission furniture. The clinic was established by the by the Brown Berets and let in 1969 and led by female members of the organization. It was the first free clinic in East LA and represented the community service mission of the organization. In this free clinic, the Brown Berets sought to improve the lives of the Chicano community by providing access to health care, education and resources. Many early moratorium committee meetings took place at this location. Another important contributing building to the nomination is a building that house the Silver Dollar Cafe. This is where prominent journalist Ruben Salazar, who was covering the March for the LA Times, and the Spanish Language Station came and the next died. Salazar and his colleagues retreated to the Silver Dollar Cafe a few hours after covering the day's events and shortly after patrol cars stopped in front of the bar with several officers approaching the door. LA County Sheriff Deputy Thomas Wilson fired to tear gas projectiles into the bar, and one of them struck Salazar in the head, killing him instantly. The silent outcome to the August 1970 March commenced many Chicano activists and community members to focus on the unique struggles of the Chicano community. This is a photo of Ruben Salazar Park. The terminus of the National Chicano moratorium March. And as of August of this year, the Chicano moratorium in Los Angeles nominations have been recommended for listing to the National Register of Historic Places by our State Historical Resources Commission. The nominations are now with the National Park Service waiting final approval. And so, in terms of a takeaway or tips. I would say that how critically important it is to build engagement throughout the project. Community members want to participate and support projects that recognize underrepresented places and history. Ideally, your engagement is not going to end once the project is completed. For example, in our case now that we're getting close to to reaching our final step, we're really looking forward to hearing community members ideas for sharing this history with the larger public. And so I hope we'll have time to hear some of your ideas and suggestions as well. Here is my contact information and I've provided a link to more information about the project. If you go to this link you will also be able to access the nomination documents. Thank you very much and I'll let Diego go next. Hi everyone. I'm Diego. I'm going to share my screen. So I work for the Historic Districts Council, the Historic Districts Council is an organization that works in New York City to preserve the architectural and cultural heritage of all five boroughs. And this year we're turning 50 years. So it's a very special year for us. Specifically on Spanish speaking communities. And my background is in journalism. So most of my job, as you will see in this presentation has been doing community outreach and interviewing people. So in this presentation I'm going to focus on these three points, ways that I've been using to involve Hispanic communities in historic preservation. What does historic preservation mean for Hispanic communities. And I'm also going to be talking about the Bronx Borough Landmarks Committee, which is something that we started at the beginning of this year. This is a little introduction. So New York City has one of the most comprehensive landmarks laws in the country. But traditionally the Landmarks Preservation Commission has mainly centered on the architectural features of a building and considered it for designation, even though in theory they should also consider the historic and cultural value of a place. In my opinion, this is because acknowledging the cultural and historic significance of a building is a more subjective process than doing it with with the architectural features of a building. For example, in the picture on the left, we can all agree that this is architecturally magnificent and it should be preserved and that's the flood I run building in Manhattan, but to acknowledge the cultural and historic contributions of places in neighborhoods that have traditionally been disregarded by the preservation entities in New York City. I think a more journalistic work needs to be done. And that's what I've been trying to do. The Historic District Council, I've been going to the communities interviewing people talking to people learning about the history and knowing what places are relevant for their for their history. So during this process, at the Historic District Council, we've been doing a lot of walking tours from locals to locals. This was a very special walking tour that we had at the beginning of this year. It was in the South Bronx, which is mainly Hispanic area in New York City. And we wanted to have just locals for this walking tour, because when we started doing outreach in Hispanic neighborhoods in New York City, we saw a very low engagement. So we wanted to integrate them more, to involve them more, to make them feel that we wanted to be engaged just with them and we had a very fun time. The lady on the right, she was 92 years old at the time of the tour and she gave us some interesting stories about the neighborhood as we kept walking. So, so that was very satisfying to see all that local engagement in these walking tours. We've also been doing interviews to business owners and people who somehow have contributed to the identity of their neighborhoods. Two men, I had the pleasure to interview them a few months ago. The one on the left was Joe Torres. He was the founder of Joe's Place, which was a very iconic restaurant in Parchester in the Bronx. And he used to serve Puerto Rican food and he used to say that he wanted to use Puerto Rican cuisine to integrate all the different communities that were in that neighborhood. Unfortunately, he passed away a few months ago due to coronavirus, but I had the pleasure to talk to him and it was wonderful. The one on the right is Mike Amadeo. He is the owner of Casa Amadeo, which is the oldest Latino music store in New York City. And by interviewing these people, we have had the opportunity to publish articles in local media, and that way we've seen a very high engagement from residents who know these people. And so that's been a very important way for us to do some outreach and to tell residents that the history of their neighborhoods needs to be preserved. We've also been doing educational gatherings where we ask people to tell us about their ideas and concerns in terms of historic preservation. They also talk us about their favorite buildings in their neighborhood and it's been very, very satisfying to see all these engagement. And what is so special about these activities is that we want to give a relevant role to the local residents. We want them to give the presentations, we want them to be the attendees. And for example, a few weeks ago, we had a virtual tour where someone living in the South Bronx walked us through all the places that she found very interesting in terms of Latino music. And we had a very good turnout and also a few weeks ago, we had a Mike Amadeo joined for a Zoom meeting where he told us about all the challenges and all the concerns that he's been having in this pandemic and people were asking him how he's doing during this time. And it was so interesting to hear that he's been doing very, very well, that his business has been doing very well during this pandemic. And the reason is because when he was asked, how come your business is doing so well during this pandemic, he said that people, if they, if they're going to have to stay at home, they need some kind of destruction and that destruction, that perfect destruction is an instrument. So he's been selling a lot of guitars and instruments. So his business has been doing really, really well. So all these activities, they have an educational purpose. And ultimately, we, through these activities, we want to increase the engagement of Latino communities in different process of historic preservation. And so for example, if there is going to be a public hearing to designate a building in a Hispanic neighborhood, we want them to go and testify in favor. That's the ultimate goal of all these activities. And doing this, doing all these outreach and all these activities have come to realize that historic preservation in Hispanic neighborhoods in New York City is more about people, it's more about the stories of those local leaders that somehow have contributed to the evolution of their neighborhoods. It could be business owner, restaurant owner, someone who owns a music store. So part of my job has been to talk to these people, write articles and publish them on local media. We've also, when we do some of our programs in Hispanic neighborhoods, we tend to highlight these cultural heritage in all those neighborhoods. This was a walking tour brochure that we did for East Harlem. And this walking tour brochure was done in Spanish and it has, it features all the murals in East Harlem that are relevant to the community. Lastly, I want to talk about the Bronx Borough Landmarks Committee, the Bronx Borough Landmarks Committee is a coalition of Bronx residents. We gather to share ideas about how to preserve specific buildings. And we also ask people to give us presentations about their neighborhoods. We have, we've had a very good response from local residents all over the Bronx, who have been telling us about their neighborhoods. We've had around 30 to 40 people attend each meeting. So that that's been very satisfying. Thank you. Thank you Diego. And Rosalind and Ed. Well with that, I'd like to open it for Q&A. We have a few minutes. Thank you to our speakers for those really insightful presentations. If anyone has questions they'd like to ask, please put them in the chat box. There were a few that came up already that I noted. So let me go ahead and ask that. So the first question goes to Ed, but really any anyone can address this, a number of of the panelists talked about, you know, community outreach engagement right and, and the importance of doing that from early on, from the beginning. So, you know, having worked in both the nonprofit advocacy world and government local government planning department know, you know how much work that is right and there's so much emotional labor that goes into a lot of these projects working with communities of color that have historically right been disenfranchised marginalized. And there's a trust issue there right so. They're glad you spoke up about the pushback ed and someone else noted they've been following the story a lot and they're interested to address community concern. Is there anything else that you want to kind of share with the group on about that experience and then for any of the other panelists if you have ideas for you know how to go about doing that community work on these projects and please feel free to join in. Well, I think, I think the pushback for here the person is the timing of this. So there was an election coming up in February. We were hired in December of the previous year of 2018 there was an election 2019 for new older men in Chicago the older men are sort of the mayors of their wards of a lot of the currently still have a lot of power and what happens in their wards. And that's the new older man. He's concerned that there wasn't a community process. There was a community process. It was quick, but being a being a Mexican American community. There's a lot of just trust in a lot of trust with the government, the city. There's language barriers. There's, there's not having the knowledge of what historic district means and that it can serve as a tool. The community is really afraid of displacement continue displacement, continuing of lack of resources for affordable housing, and for all the other months that are part of that preservation plan. I think one lesson learned here if I, you know, it's not dead yet but if there is one thing that we that has been learned is when you roll out this when you roll out a preservation strategy. If you can bring some other elements to it like affordable housing incentives or affordable housing, or if you have a plan of minimizing displacement of people who have lived there for 60 years, and and also controlling the taxes or the cost of living in there. If that could all be rolled up in a nice big ball and put a bow on it and introduce that to the community. I think historic preservation will probably be welcome because it, it's going to go as part of the, as the solution to displacement and to, and to preserving the community, the character of the building. So you don't have 90 demolitions in 15 years. So that's, that's the pushback is a number of things politics, people who are afraid of what's going to happen in the future if it is designated some misinformation. So I mean I don't, I mean the community is, I don't live in this community so it's hard for me to say but we, you know, we're trying to do that now so I'm sure there's people out there who have this a number of times of underrepresented that you do get some pushback because it's it's unknown. Rosalind or Diego do you have anything to add on that both of you spoke a little bit about your community engagement on Diego I think your work in really doing all of that community engagement right on the front end and building up communities and and working on partnership is one strategy that could work right versus a project kind of coming from city or government, but doing it, you know, from the ground up grassroots is always something that tends and from what I've seen in my experience tends to work better. Either of you have any. Yeah, yeah. I think that's been to see all the engagement. After doing all these outreach. A few months ago, we had the Landmarks Commission have a public hearing to designate the Manaita Street in the Bronx. It's wonderful to see some of the members of the Bronx Borough Landmarks Committee to attend that meeting and testify in favor of the designation so. So I think that is ultimately the goal of these outreach work that I've been doing to make people more interested in preserving the history of their neighborhoods which at the beginning it was very difficult, especially in Hispanic communities. But after, after doing all this work after interviewing all these people. It's been very wonderful to see how they are more engaged in, for example, a public hearing or a campaign that we want to push. So I think these grassroots world I think that I've been doing has been fruitful. Yeah. I would just add, you know, the work that Diego is doing is so great because it's really about relationship building, you know, identifying key key members of the community who have an interest who want to be involved and then, and then growing your relationship to those to those individuals and in turn that's helping to build capacity in the neighborhood to to take on some of these these issues preservation and non preservation related. I think that sometimes we, you know, we have project deadlines and we have to get things going. And so sometimes we, agencies, even nonprofit organizations will kind of start our, we have a limited time to do to do outreach I think and I think that that's that kind of deficit mindset is not is not really healthy I think that we need to think about incorporating community engagement throughout a project from the beginning but also, you know, during and after the project is done because I mean just because the project's done doesn't mean you're you don't want to keep those relationships active. And, yeah, so I would just say that we try to think about community engagement as something that is a long term effort. Yeah, I just you're right and I agree with you guys and I think maybe some of the being more creative about not in our case would be nice if we can introduce like a cultural district that could overlay this like they've done in some other cities. And one thing I forgot to mention was the murals. So what happens since this is all gone for the last two years, our Department of Cultural Affairs has actually taken over the guidelines for the murals to help people give them some guidelines how to preserve that so I failed to mention that earlier on my presentation I think there has to be more the lot of relationship building and what Diego is doing is is fantastic because it's sort of different than what we did in that maybe it could have helped us a little bit of what Diego is doing now. And you know governments can and should also be involved in doing that right so often it falls on nonprofits or community based organizations to do that work. So that's just a final thought on that topic there's so many other questions I know we won't be able to get to all of them. But another question was for Rosalind. So they said it seems like these march routes could be great opportunities for urban trails that could integrate interpretive elements has there been any community based discussion about this type of concept. That has been brought up. We actually, as I mentioned, as we're kind of looking forward to the designation from the National Park Service we, we do want to find ways to get this history out to the, to the public. And, you know, oftentimes we, we work on these nominations or reports and they kind of end up on a shelf, an agency shelf or organization bookcase or what, what have you and I think we need to do more to to get this history out to the community It'd be great to have something visible. The city of Los Angeles has markers and different programs to show historic landmark status but you know I'm really looking forward to seeing how we can get really creative and and partnering with with other local organizations to help bring this story to community. Thank you. Okay, and then we're going to have one final question. There was a question for you Diego has the Bronx Borough Landmarks Preservation Committee considered ways to preserve NYC's murals and Hispanic neighborhoods. If so, what are some of the ideas discussed so far. No, the, the Bronx Borough Landmarks Committee has, we haven't discussed that yet. It's been more a platform for residents to share their ideas to share their knowledge about the history of their neighborhoods. But so far we have not discussed strategies to preserve those, those places. As I said, this has an educational focus first, which is important to get people interested about historic preservation. But I think once we have identified, I don't know, 10 or 15 people who who are willing to take a step further. I think we're going to start discussing more strategies to preserve those places but so far we've only had people talking about their neighborhood. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for attending our session and we have a few minutes left I wanted to just make a few announcements. If you want to learn more about programming around what the next cultural heritage conservation, please follow LHC on Instagram and Facebook and sign up for our quarterly newsletter. You can follow us that find all those links at LatinoHeritage.us. To learn more about the Alesson Apache Courts, one of the two Latino sites listed in this year's 11 most endangered places. Please check out tomorrow's session. We have a quick dive discussion about the use of integrity standards. It's at 1pm central 2pm Eastern. And that'll discuss how the integrity standard is often a barrier to historic designation and communities of color. And then lastly, please save the date for September 16 through 18 of 2021 LHC will be hosting our upcoming biennial convening on Latino heritage. It's called Congreso and we will hopefully be gathering in person in Denver in 2021. Again that's September 16 through the 18th. You can follow us on social media, sign up for our newsletter to get updates. Alright, I think that about covers it. Thank you all again to our incredible panelists and to everyone who attended help you enjoy the rest of the conference.