 As sustainability becomes more central to an organization's strategy, what is the role of boards and how is the role different from executive management team? So one of the most important things about sustainability in the Middle East, it really is derived from the government's commitment to sustainability. So when the government starts to set standards, criteria, then the industries follow. If the government doesn't or does not follow up on it, the industries will find ways not to be as fully sustainable as they should be. So there's two ways of sustainability, right? Sustainability of the business and making sure that you're continuing profitable, which everybody is working on, but then sustainability from the idea of the environment of people planned and bottom line. And so I think it really does depend on the government's commitment to sustainability. The other thing is in a perfect world, the executive leadership and the board would have some tension, right? Because you want them to always try to do better. And so what I feel is that a lot of times there's not enough pushback from either side to the other, except in very well run companies, whether they are semi public or private public or family run. But that's not the majority. In the NGO world, we actually have less diversity. There's not a lot of recruitment for people who are outside and would have totally fresh eyes. Or it would be from donors who would become on the board. And so there's sometimes conflicts because their money is being spent. And so in the NGO world, we're seeing that issue manifest a lot more. We have some excellent NGOs, very well run, great boards, but the majority are not. And as far as I know, this is where the Ministry of Development in Saudi Arabia and also ministries that deal with charities are starting to notice that they have to have more inclusive, more diverse board members so that they ensure the sustainability of the NGOs because a lot of them do close down. And we saw this during COVID several studies showed that almost 30% of small NGOs had to close down because they were not able to sustain their work and they're fundraising during those difficult times.