 Next question is from Tyler Cortez. Are wrist wraps helpful long-term or more detrimental? We used to debate this a lot in the beginning. I think for the average person, detrimental. I could see value in advanced bodybuilders and lifters who know how to use them. That's a good way to put it, I think. Yeah, but I think the average person, what they do is first off, they disengage the grip. So you're not strengthened. By the way, your grip should be able to support pretty much any lift you do. This is one of the strongest parts of the human body is their ability to hold onto things. I mean, we evolved, we're primates for goodness sake. So this is very strong, but you're gonna make your hands not strong enough to support your exercises if you're constantly using something that helps you hold onto the bar. And studies show that wrist wraps or straps or whatever you call them, the things that you, go around your wrist and go around the bar, change recruitment patterns all the way up to the shoulder. Changes the way you fire your muscles to accomplish that task. And I think that if you don't realize that, you naturally, wow, this feels a lot easier. And I feel like I can really get a better hold and a better grasp on more weight, but it doesn't translate then after not having wrist wraps on. So now, all of a sudden, I feel like I can do that 80 pound dumbbell, no problem, but guess what? Now there's a big weak link in that chain that goes all the way up into your arm. So. Now, early on in the podcast, I used to debate you guys a little bit on this. Not because I don't disagree with everything you just said because I do agree, 100% agree. But then at the same time too, you might catch me using wrist wraps. Yeah, well, you were competing. You were bodybuilding. Right, and that's why the way you started it, I think over time we've refined how we present this message. And I think that's a perfect way to say it. It's like, for the most people in the general population, it's going to hinder them. It's not ideal for them at all and you should avoid it at all costs. But for an advanced lifter who has very specific goals and has got a great developed physique, there's some application for it. And there's been plenty of times in my career where I've pulled them out to use them because I don't want my forearms to be the limiting factor. And even though, yes, practicing with a grip would be better for my grip, but I'm a bodybuilder. I'm trying to get my rear delt at that moment to fire. I don't care if my forearms aren't firing or getting developed at that moment. I'm trying to develop a very specific thing and I don't want anything else to get in the way of that. And so there's times when there's some application. But talking to the general population, and by the way, I haven't used wristwraps in a couple years. Well, you're not bodybuilding. Yeah, I don't care right now. Right now I'm not into the body sculpting thing right now. I'm just training to be healthy and fit. And because of that, if I can't hold on to something that's over 350 pounds, I don't deadlift it. So it doesn't matter to me anymore. Yeah, here's the places I say that people will use it. So high-level bodybuilders who are doing these high volume workouts, they're doing 20 sets for back and they're already really well developed and they know how to isolate and squeeze and they get plenty of hand and grip work and everything else that they do. Strongman competitors use wristwraps often because the competitions allow them to sometimes. So you'll often see them do these lifts. Power lifters. Yeah, power lifters don't use them because power lifters have to use their grip. Well, yeah, competitive power lifters, yeah. But you see your weekend warrior guys doing all that. Yes, yes, that's a big problem. It's an ego lift for those ones, I guess. Now I use them rarely, but here's when I'll use them. Let's say I'm gonna do a heavy stiff-legged deadlift. I'm not working my upper body and trying to work my hamstrings. So, and I have 400 pounds on the bar and I already did a conventional deadlift early in the week. What I'm trying to do there is actually use my arms less. Well, that's my rear delt example. Yeah, you are trying to isolate, even though it's impossible to isolate a muscle, but you're trying to put as much emphasis on your hamstrings and what you don't want is your forearms to limit you. Yes, or over-train my forearms. Right, and because you're an advanced lifter who has got a balanced physique, it has strong forearms, then to me it makes sense. And that's how I felt when we used to talk about this early in the podcast, you guys used to give me shit all the time and I'd be like, well, listen, I feel like I can defend why I use it because I don't use it all the time, but then there have been specific moments. But when we're talking to the general population, I think most people should avoid it. Well, I just always caution because either way you look at it, you're gonna cause dysfunction. And that's just something that you're gonna have to work your way back and you're gonna have to repair and eventually it's gonna sneak up and bite you in the ass. So if you are competitive with it, there's a window for that. Sure, but you have to ask yourself too, what's a lesser evil? Someone to do an over-under grip on a deadlift or a wrist-wrapped deadlift? Depends who it is. Most people, I would say use your switcher over-under, but back and forth. Which nobody does, right? Unless you're us or tongue-in-out. Or you're a purist. Who have used you over and over the whole time. A lot of people do over-under and to go max lift and I would, and I used to, okay, I'm guilty of this, but looking back now, I actually probably should, I would have rather, because the issues that I have are shoulder and upper back stuff. It's because you always kept the same hand. That's right, that's right. And so since I'm not switching back and forth, which most people don't, I probably would have been better off of using wraps in that situation. This is why I switched to hook grip, but it took me six months to get my hook grip to be able to handle the weight that I could use with a alternate grip. Yeah, I've never given clients wrist wraps. Neither have I. Yeah, I've never had them use them at all. By the way, bodybuilders don't care about function. That's the other thing we need to realize. Yeah, it's not a factor. No, they don't care, like, oh great, great. It's changing the recruitment pattern in my shoulders or okay, my hands can't handle the 20 sets I do for my back. I don't care, I'm going on stage, so it doesn't matter. Hey, if you enjoyed that clip, you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here. And be sure to subscribe.