 Well, five years ago I published a quarterly essay called Power Shift Australia's Future Between Washington and Beijing, which I talked about the implications for Australia's foreign policy of the rise of China and the way the United States has been responding. And I guess you could say since then that issue has been debated a great deal, there's been a lot of developments between the US and China and in Australia itself, including the US pivot, the deployment of a rinse to Darwin, the Australia-China Free Trade Agreement. And what we're going to do in the session with John Garneau from the Sydney Morning Herald is have a look back at what's happened in the years since the essay was published, see how it goes, see what I got wrong, see what I might have got right, see where the story is going from here, because of course this remains a really central issue for Australia.